Minisode: Picking Fights with Chelsea + Catherine

Summary

Dear Chelsea — Minisode: Picking Fights with Chelsea + Catherine

Podcast: Dear Chelsea (iHeartPodcasts)
Air Date: February 27, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Handler & Katherine Law
Episode Type: Minisode (Advice Show)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Dear Chelsea is a classic, candid advice minisode featuring Chelsea Handler and co-host Katherine Law. True to the podcast’s style, the hosts welcome listener questions about everything from relationship chaos and mental health to travel recommendations. The episode’s main theme centers on navigating tough stretches in relationships—especially when life feels overwhelming—and exploring unconventional and practical solutions. As always, Chelsea and Katherine blend humor with straight-shooting advice that’s at once validating and actionable.

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Key Segments and Discussion Topics

1. Katherine’s Escalating “Parking Lot Dispute” Story

[03:45–06:03]

• Katherine recounts almost getting into a fight in a gym parking lot, channeling Chelsea’s reputation for confrontation.
  • Katherine describes her frustration with a man she suspects is taking a photo of her improperly parked car, only to learn he was photographing a stray bikini insert on the ground.
  • After her gym session, Katherine realizes she had left her car unlocked, with the window down—and it was still running.
  • Tone: Light, self-deprecating, classic Chelsea banter.
• Chelsea’s Reflection:
  • Relates the story to her own experience capturing a stranger’s exposed backside on a plane and getting caught.
  • Chelsea emphasizes honesty:

    “I can’t lie. My phone is right here.” (Chelsea Handler, 06:46)

  • Memorable quote:

    “That was—I was the asshole, but he was also… his asshole was almost out, so he was really the OG asshole.” (Chelsea Handler, 07:14)

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2. Listener Follow-up: Signs from the Other Side

[11:27–12:38]

• Brief update from a previous listener, Jessica, who saw a “blue butterfly” after a reading with psychic Laurel Lynn Jackson (a callback to an earlier episode).
  • Jessica interprets the appearance of the butterfly as a sign from her late mother, bringing closure and encouraging her to connect with her stepmom.
  • Katherine jokes about ‘waiting for the chicken,’ another sign predicted by the psychic, to appear.

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3. Main Listener Question: Relationship Chaos, Microdosing, and Midlife Crises

[14:24–24:02]

Letter from Melissa

• Melissa, a mother of three young kids in a long-term lesbian marriage, asks about managing anxiety, ADHD, and chronic cycles of relationship conflict. She also wonders about microdosing mushrooms as a tool for mental health.

Key Issues Raised:

• Anxiety and obsessive thinking; current use of Lexapro.
• Marital challenges: partner’s anger and need for intimacy vs. Melissa’s shutdown and depleted energy.
• Wanting improvement now—not years in the future—and dissatisfaction with earlier couples therapy.

Chelsea & Katherine’s Insights:

• Validation of Life Stage:

  • “Nobody’s peaking in their relationships during that time. So this is a moment in time, it will not be permanent.”
    (Chelsea Handler, 14:35)

• The Case for Couples Therapy:

  • Chelsea advocates for finding a good couples’ therapist, even if it means awkward scheduling.
  • Importance of open communication, especially with different temperaments.

    “It’s really important to understand how the other person is operating and the pressure and stress that the other person is under.”
    (Chelsea Handler, 15:13)

• Breaking Relationship Patterns:

  • Chelsea recommends the book Attached to help identify and disrupt unhealthy attachment patterns.

  • Katherine shares her own experience with marriage counseling:

    “There are tools that a good therapist can give you to actually teach you how to have disagreements in a healthy way.”
    (Katherine, 18:39)

  • Chelsea urges Melissa to take little actionable steps:

    “You are the one capable of breaking a pattern.”
    (Chelsea Handler, 19:50)

• Practical Sex Advice:

  • Katherine bluntly suggests, “If you’re not feeling, you want to be touched... make her come. You don’t have to have her touch you. You can quickly make her come. She needs it for the stress relief.”
    (Katherine, 19:08)

• On Microdosing and Psychedelics:

  • Chelsea endorses psychedelics, particularly MDMA, as a powerful tool for couple’s therapy and emotional openness, but warns about interaction with antidepressants.

    “What I think you guys should do is microdose MDMA together, because that’s going to bring you closer together and get rid of your egos… But that doesn't work when you're on antidepressants.”
    (Chelsea Handler, 20:53)

  • On mushrooms:

    “Microdosing mushrooms seems to be, like, a really great tool for a lot of people. Definitely be open to things and be open to changing patterns of behavior.”
    (Chelsea Handler, 22:54)

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4. Rapid-Fire Travel Advice: Mallorca with Friends

[28:09–29:34]

• Listener Sue asks for recommendations on which side of Mallorca is best for a 50th birthday trip with friends.

  • Chelsea’s advice:
    • Palma is busy and party-centric.
    • Alcudia is better if you want your group to be “the party” without being surrounded by crowds.
    • Other quieter options: Palenza and Daiya.

  “It’s like, you know, what are you, the party, or are you going to find the party?”
  (Chelsea Handler, 29:27)

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Memorable Quotes

• “That was—I was the asshole, but he was also… his asshole was almost out, so he was really the OG asshole.” — Chelsea Handler, 07:14
• “You are the one capable of breaking a pattern.” — Chelsea Handler, 19:50
• “If you’re not feeling, you want to be touched... make her come.” — Katherine, 19:08
• “Microdosing mushrooms seems to be, like, a really great tool for a lot of people. Definitely be open to things and be open to changing patterns of behavior.” — Chelsea Handler, 22:54

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Katherine’s Parking Lot Story & Chelsea’s Plane Anecdote:
  [03:45–07:14]
• Update on Signs from Beyond (Blue Butterfly & Chicken):
  [11:27–12:38]
• Melissa’s Relationship Letter and In-Depth Discussion:
  [14:24–24:02]
• Sex Advice (“Just make her come”):
  [19:08–19:47]
• Microdosing Mushrooms & MDMA for Couples:
  [20:36–23:49]
• Mallorca Travel Advice:
  [28:09–29:34]

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

This minisode is full of warmth, raw honesty, and practical (sometimes cheeky) advice. Chelsea and Katherine remind listeners that tough phases in relationships—especially with young kids—are temporary, but require deliberate action and sometimes outside help to break destructive cycles. They give permission to discuss sex openly, advocate for both traditional and alternative therapies, and never miss a moment to reassure listeners they’re not alone in their chaos. Sprinkled throughout are the hosts’ trademark zingers and candid stories, keeping advice light and approachable.

Ideal for:
Anyone feeling overwhelmed by marriage, parenting, or anxiety, and looking for validation with a side of tough love and humor.

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Transcript

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Jo Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Interestine, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams.

[Chelsea Handler]

It can change you in the best way possible.

[Katherine]

Dance with the change.

[Chelsea Handler]

Dance with the breakdowns.

[Jo Winterstein]

The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[Melissa]

Just so. I'm, like, delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jo Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Melissa]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new

[Chelsea Handler]

podcast, the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 20.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Chelsea Handler]

Evidence has been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Jo Winterstein]

Oh, my God. I think she might be innocent.

[Chelsea Handler]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Chelsea Handler]

But here's the Bachelor. Fans hated him.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here.

[Katherine]

This case has gone viral.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

The dating contract.

[Melissa]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Katherine]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, guys, I am officially on my High and Mighty Tour. March 13, Cleveland, Ohio. March 14, Columbus, Ohio. March 15, Cincinnati, Ohio. And then March 20 is Denver, Colorado. March 27, Portland, Maine. March 28, Providence, Rhode Island. March 29, Springfield, Massachusetts. April 10 is Chicago. I'll be at the Chicago Theater. April 11, Indianapolis, Indiana. April 12, Louisville, Kentucky. April 16 is Albuquerque, New Mexico. April 17 is Mesa, Arizona. April 23 is Kansas City, Missouri. April 24 is St. Louis, Missouri. April 25 is Minneapolis, Minnesota. April 30, Nashville, Tennessee. May 1 is Charlotte, North Carolina. May 2 is Durham, North Carolina. May 6, I'm doing Netflix as a joke festival. I will be in Los Angeles. That is a new announcement. Along with Atlantic City. May 15th, Saratoga, California. May 16th, Monterey, California. May 17th, Modesto, California. And then June 4th, Portchester, New York. June 5th is Boston, Mass. And June 12th is Portland, Oregon. And then Seattle is June 13th. So suck on that. Everybody go to chelseahandler.com for tickets. Hi, Katherine.

[Katherine]

Hi, Chelsea. I have to tell you, I was channeling you this morning when I almost got in a fight with a man.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, wonderful.

[Katherine]

I went to the gym.

[Chelsea Handler]

Wonderful for you.

[Melissa]

I know.

[Katherine]

Truly. Truly. My blood pressure was up, so I went to the gym this morning and, like, got princess parking. I was feeling great about it, but I had to sort of, like, wedge my car into a space next to this guy in, like, just a shitty truck with the big wheels and the, you know, it's all jacked up and whatever. The small penis truck. And I heard the car start and the truck next to me start, and I was like, okay, well, like, I'll just wait till he leaves so I can readjust my car, make sure I'm not parked like an asshole, right? So I'm waiting and waiting, and I turned off my car. I see him walk up, and through my rearview mirror, I can see he's like, bending down next to my car. I'm like, what is this guy doing? It looked like he was, like, taking a picture next to my car. So he gets in his car, I try. I like, turn my car on to roll down the window and be like, hey, what the fuck, dude? And he doesn't hear me. He's in his car. So I get out wrap on his window, and I'm like, hey, why are you, like, taking pict of my car? Like, what's the deal? He's like, oh, I wasn't taking pictures of your car. I was taking pictures of that. And I looked down and, like, my gym is right next to a laundromat. And there's like, you know those inserts in a bikini that's just like the foam padding he was like, taking a picture of that, that fallen out of somebody's laundry. And I was like, okay, whatever. Like, men are so stupid. I'm like, that hasn't even touched a boob. Which I'm sure is also true of him because he has that kind of a truck. Anyway, so I go into the gym, I work out all my, like, you know, anger issues. I come back out, I try to get in my car. I like, open the door to a black suv. It's not my car. I'm like, man, this person's a mess. They left their car unlocked. So then I go find my car, Realized not only had I left my car unlocked, but my window was down from when I tried to yell at this man. And it was also on. So just like fully left my car on in the park wide open. So anyway, I'm in the car.

[Jo Winterstein]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

No, well, the key wasn't in the car.

[Chelsea Handler]

I had the key with me. It just like stayed on. Right, right.

[Katherine]

But I didn't like it. I'm like, girl, I'm a mess. I'm a mess.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

Anyway, I tried to channel you and get in a fight.

[Chelsea Handler]

So did you believe that he was taking a picture of that or is that.

[Katherine]

Yeah, he was like down next to my car and he was like, it looked like he was taking a picture of my, like, tires or something. I'm like, he's park like an and over the line. So I assumed he would be an.

[Chelsea Handler]

But that reminds me of the time I took a picture of a guy sitting down next to me on the plane. And he was so massive and his pants were underneath, like halfway down his butt crack. And he leaned over and I took a picture of his butt crack and he caught me and he was like, did you just take a picture of me? And I'm like, yeah, I didn't know what. I was like, I can't lie. My phone is right here. And he goes, why? And I'm like, cause your butt crack is out. And I wanted to send it to my friend. And the rest of the fucking flight, we just had to sit next to each other after I.

[Katherine]

This is the beginning of the flight.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is the beginning of the fight. After I had to. I got caught. I had to. I got caught red handed. I had to admit it. And then fly with him for two hours.

[Katherine]

I love that you just told the truth. You were like, it was too.

[Chelsea Handler]

It was like, I just went through all the scenarios in my head. I'm like, he's gonna ask me to show him my phone and obviously I don't have to do that, but then I'm a liar, so I'm like, just tell the truth.

[Jo Winterstein]

Oh my God.

[Chelsea Handler]

I. It was. That was that. But that. Yeah, that was. I was the asshole, but he was also. His asshole was almost out, so he was really the OG asshole. Ever been at the pharmacy counter and the pharmacist asks, do you have any questions? And suddenly your mind goes blank? That's exactly why you need to listen to beyond the script from CVS Pharmacy and iHeartMedia. Hosted by Dr. Jake Goodman, this podcast brings you real conversations with c CVS pharmacists. I need to get on this the health experts you see most answering the questions you wish you'd asked, like which medications might not mix well, which vaccines should you consider before a big trip, and even those questions you were too embarrassed to say out loud. Each episode busts myths, decodes health trends, and gives you practical, trustworthy advice straight from the people behind the counter. No white coats, no lectures. Just real talk, real answers, and maybe a few laughs. Listen to beyond the script on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jo Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Katherine]

mini driver, the Irish traveler said when I was 16.

[Chelsea Handler]

You're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Jo Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like Are Misunderstood A Sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Chelsea Handler]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses in different places, but just an

[Jo Winterstein]

embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

What if mind control is real?

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

I gave her some suggestions to be

[Narrator for Mind Games]

sexually aroused can you get someone to join your cult?

[Jo Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Katherine]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work.

[Katherine]

This is wild.

[Narrator for Mind Games]

Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

Welcome to the A Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm in Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated, and black America was out of breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

[Chelsea Handler]

The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

This story is about protests. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Katherine]

Well, I have a quick update from Jessica, who called in on our Laurel Lynn Jackson episode. She was parenting through the loss of her own mom, and so she sent me a picture. When we talked to Laurelin Jackson, Laura had told her, look out for a blue butterfly and a chicken. She was like, it's gonna come soon. Keep an eye out for your blue butterfly and the chicken. So Jessica texted me that very night with a picture of, like, a planter in a corner hanging with a blue butterfly sticking out. She goes, I have chills. She goes, I didn't expect it so soon. I noticed it in my dad's house today when taking a chance to talk about my call with Laurel and Jackson with my stepmother. I had never seen it before, and when I asked my stepmother, she said, oh, I just moved it there. It feels like my mom forgave her too and wants me to make things work with her. Jessica. So it was like that night after she talked to Laura, she saw this sign from her mom.

[Chelsea Handler]

She saw Marlon Jackson this I did.

[Katherine]

I did.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, good.

[Katherine]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, that's sweet.

[Katherine]

Yeah. So we'll see if she gets back about the chicken. I asked if she's seen the chicken yet, so maybe not, but we'll wait.

[Chelsea Handler]

Maybe she could just order a chicken at dinner and then there it is.

[Melissa]

Maybe.

[Katherine]

Yeah, maybe it's that kind of chicken. Okay, cool. Well, our caller today is Melissa. Her subject line is microdosing Shrooms and lesbian marriage. Rock bottom, Dear Chelsea. Was my subject line catchy enough. What a combo, right? Shroom. Question is for myself. I'm the birth mom of our three young kids currently on or you know what, Actually she sent me an update. She was on Zoloft and now she's on Lexapro and it's going pretty well. The lesbian marriage advice is for myself and my wife, who've been married for seven years and together for 12. My wife is going on 40 and she's not thrilled to say the least. Definitely a midlife crisis type of situation. I'm currently typing this as I feed our toddler twins on their bedroom floor while breast pumping some fresh milk and eating animal crackers. Anyway, I'm on Lexapro now, but I want to try microdosing to help with my anxiety, obsessive thinking and adhd. Undiagnosed officially, but I can guarantee I have it. Is this a good idea? Now I'll try to summarize the deep hole my wife and I are in. We've been cycling through the same issues throughout most of our relationship. Problem one, we deal with conflict very differently. She's yeller and quick to anger and I am the shutdown type that likes to let everything fester inside and get passive aggressive when it's too much. I always feel like I have to defend myself. Problem two, we live in chaos most of the time. As we raise our three small kids, we have no time to ourself. Problem three, she wants physical intimacy. And I feel like my energy is so depleted that the thought of sex most of the time makes me feel like it's another chore I have to fit in. How do we get through this phase and make it to the other side intact? Thanks for reading my middle of the night email. Love, Melissa.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Melissa.

[Melissa]

Hi.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi. Hi. Hi. How old are your kids?

[Melissa]

I have a four year old son and then my twins are actually 20 months old today, so.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, well, nobody's. Nobody's having a good time during that. Okay. Sexually or with their partners. Nobody's peaking in their relationships during that time. So this is a moment in time, it will not be permanent. Are you and your wife in counseling at all? Do you have a therapist? A couple's therapist?

[Melissa]

We tried like four sessions and our therapist was a disaster. So we didn't do. We have no, like, we have no time. We have no time. We were doing sessions at like 8:30, 9 o' clock at night, rushing the kids to bed. And then we were sitting down for therapy, which didn't end up working out. Try reaching out to like a couple therapists. But like, when do we have time?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I mean, if you could squeeze it in at 9 o' clock at night, like, this is the time in your life where therapy is really important that you have, like, especially when you have totally different temperaments, it's really important to understand how the other person is operating and the pressure and stress that the other person is under. Like, you're dealing with a lot on your plate. You know, she has a different temperament. Like, the communication is so important that I would really like, beseech you to try and find another therapist and give it a whirl. I understand you have no time, but a good therapist will bring you closer together and like, help you communicate better and more effectively quickly. Like, you will see changes quickly. So it sucks that you found a bad one, but you're going to find a good one. I know that. And like, you, you need to make the time because it's your relationship.

[Melissa]

I know.

[Chelsea Handler]

And you know, like, you're both wanting different things. She's wanting more sex. You're not feeling it. You're obviously, you're breastfeeding. You have two little kids. I mean, three little things. You're done with the breastfeeding. Great, great. You're just dealing with different things and you're not, you know, you're not aligned. But that doesn't mean you're not going to become aligned like it is. This is an impermanent thing, you know, so you have to look at it like, from a bigger picture and kind of look at it from like the 30,000 view perspective. Like, oh, that's when we went through a really tough time. But also you have to open the communication with your partner about, like, how you guys can make improvements even without a therapist. Like, how can we better understand each other? I want us to be on the same page, but I'm just not in that moment right now. I'm feeling tired, I'm feeling depleted. And I know you're not feeling that in the same sense as I am. So, like, let's figure out ways that we can more effectively communicate and carve out time where it's just the two of you.

[Melissa]

Yeah, yeah. It's just the same. It's a. We've had this for years. The same cycle, the same conversation, the same.

[Chelsea Handler]

And break it down. What is that conversation?

[Melissa]

Well, I'll be avoidant. She wants to feel wanted, so then in turn, she wants to feel wanted. It turns into anger where I, like, withdraw a little more. And it's just our. The way we behave with each other and communicate is just. It just clashes. So, like, right now, I said we were rock bottom 13 months ago for that email. We're kind of like on the top of the rock now. Like a little plateau. We're in a better spot. Not great. We're kind of just. And people are like, oh, you have little kids. It'll get better. It'll get better. But we want to be better now. We want. We don't want to be better three years from now. I'm like, oh, let's just be okay where we are. And I know my wife's not okay with that. I'm not okay with that. So we just need a change, and we just don't know how to get there.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right. Well, that's why it's important to find a therapist, because you're not just going to change immediately without any help. You have to change your patterns. And you need to both read the book attached because that talks about all what you're talking about. It talks about being an avoidant. It talks about what your wife is. Once you see it modeled for you, you're going to realize, oh, this is a pattern. Everything you're saying is a pattern. But that's going to be a great tool for you to both of you read that book and it talks, you know, about different emotional patterns and in different emotional attachments. But also, you do want to get a therapist because you don't just heal things. It takes time. So you have to.

[Katherine]

Especially habitual stuff. Yes, I know.

[Melissa]

We're both kind of just waiting to.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right. That's not realistic.

[Katherine]

Like, I know you gotta, like, do

[Chelsea Handler]

the work to get different results. You have to do something different to get a different result.

[Melissa]

Right, Right.

[Katherine]

Yeah. I know in my marriage, when I first did couples counseling, there are tools that a good therapist can give you to actually teach you how to have disagreements in a healthy way. So it's not this pattern that you've been. And you can actually disrupt those patterns. It takes a little while. It's not going to happen in two Sessions.

[Chelsea Handler]

But.

[Katherine]

But, yeah, I think Chelsea's right. I think this is the time where, like, you absolutely have to, Even if it's 9 o' clock at night, be seeing a therapist.

[Melissa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katherine]

I did also want to touch on the sexuality thing. I think being lesbians, you are in the perfect position where if you're not feeling, you want to be touched and your body is obviously being used for other things, which is kid. Kids climbing all over you. Make her come. Like, you don't have to have her touch you. You can quickly make her come. She needs it for the stress relief. You guys need it for the connection. And then if you're feeling it, great, keep going. But just make her come. And you're good.

[Melissa]

I know, I know. I just. I don't know why. Then we spend 20 minutes, 25 minutes talking about how I'm not in the mood when I could have just been doing that.

[Katherine]

Yeah, just make her come. She's like, I'm not in the mood for you to touch me tonight, but, like, let me make you come.

[Melissa]

I mean, usually at that point I'm like, well, might as well.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, but patterns. Patterns need to be broken. Like, you are the one capable of breaking a pattern. So, for instance, that's a pattern. You arguing with 20 minutes or defending yourself for 20 minutes about why you're not interested could be resolved with you just doing something differently.

[Melissa]

I know. You're right. You're right. I know, I know. I'm so stubborn.

[Chelsea Handler]

So look at little things like that in your life and look at the things and the same reactions you have to things where maybe you don't feel seen or maybe. And even if you're not getting what you want, change your reaction to it and see if that changes the dynamic, because it will.

[Melissa]

It's just the little things that I have to change. It's so hard once you're in the habit for so many years. It's hard to break that habit.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know, but habits can be broken. That's the good news.

[Melissa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katherine]

Chelsea, do you want to address the microdosing shrooms and if that might be helpful?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, yeah, I mean, I think microdosing is great if you're. Are you currently. Are you getting off of your remeds? Did you say? Are you staying on them?

[Melissa]

I just started Lexapro a couple months ago. It is helping, but I want to be more on the natural side. But I just needed something that I knew was going to work at this point.

[Chelsea Handler]

What I would advise. What I think you guys should do is microdose MDMA together, because that's going to bring you closer together and get rid of your egos. And couples do MDMA therapy are like, they have a whole different perspective once they do that, because it's just love and a heart opener, like, you are loving, and every good thing about them and yourself comes to the surface, and all the fighting kind of falls away. And you can be honest. So I think, like. But that doesn't work when you're on antidepressants. Mdma, like, the. The receptors that you use for antidepressants or that are used for antidepressants are the same receptors you would use for mdma. And I'm not positive if that applies to mushrooms. I think mushrooms are pretty much a free for all. So that can help you with your ADHD and that can help you with other things. But for the purpose of you guys coming together, I honestly think MDMA is the answer. But it's not gonna work when you're on an antidepressant, right? Well, I had this funny conversation with my therapist, my psychiatrist, a few months ago, because I was going through this shit with my house, and I was so irritated and so just spent. And he was like, why don't we just throw you on an antidepressant for, like, until this is done? You know, you're also going, your hormones, your hormones, your hormones are all out of whack. Why don't we put you on an antidepressant? I was like, well, doesn't that conflict with mdma, my receptors for mdma? And he's like, how often are you doing mdma? I'm like, it's a pretty big part of my lifestyle. Like, I'd rather have the MDMA than the fucking antidepressant. For me, like, I need the shot of MDMA every once in a while. So I could remember, oh, yeah, life is awesome. You know, things are great when you focus on them. So, yeah, microdosing mushrooms seems to be, like, a really great tool for a lot of people. Definitely be open to things and be open to changing patterns of behavior. And that includes trying to microdose and trying to, you know, tinker with your medication and ticker with your patterns of behavior. So I think psychedelics are a really big tool in doing that, in cutting off bad patterns of behavior. So if your wife is open to it and, you know, you. You get to a place, then you should try and find some. A therapist that helps with that, that will work with you and do the mdma. It's not like you're partying. It's like you're going and actually working through your problems with a counselor.

[Melissa]

Yeah. Yeah. I think we will both benefit, like, individually, too.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. But get that book first. As a first step, get the book attached. That will break down both of your habits. And then you. Once you identify who you are and the kind of, you know, if you're an avoidant or if you're. What are the other two in that book? I'm having a hard time remembering. If you're. If you're like, one is, like, secure. Oh, yeah. If you're a secure.

[Katherine]

Anxious.

[Chelsea Handler]

Anxious. Avoidant. Are the three.

[Katherine]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So, yeah, the sec. Yeah. Your wife sounds like anxious and secure because if she gets mad at you for not being wanted, then that's anxious, and then that's also right. She probably. Yeah. So I don't know. But read that book and use that as a tool and then just really focus on finding a therapist.

[Melissa]

Yes. All right.

[Chelsea Handler]

And don't worry about the time. You need the time.

[Melissa]

I know you can put in the

[Chelsea Handler]

time for your relationship to be successful.

[Melissa]

Yeah, you're right.

[Katherine]

Yep.

[Melissa]

Right.

[Katherine]

All right. Thanks, Melissa. Will you follow up with us?

[Melissa]

Yes. Yes. Okay.

[Katherine]

All right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, so much.

[Melissa]

Thanks. Thank you. Bye.

[Chelsea Handler]

Bye.

[Katherine]

Bye.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

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[Narrator for Mind Games]

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[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

Okay, we'll wrap up with a little quickie Here. Dear Chelsea, sue says I'm planning a 50th birthday trip with a few girlfriends this summer in Mallorca. I'm sure listening to Chelsea lovingly talk about Mallorca has subconsciously influenced my pick. I just started researching some options and had some questions, so naturally I knew who to ask. My question is, which side of Mallorca do you recommend for a fun girls trip? Is the Palma side really crowded and crazy in the summer? Do you recommend the other side like Alcudia? We are also trying to see if we can be there for the solar eclipse on August 12th. Hope to hear your Mallorca recs and hope to see another one of your shows soon. Thanks, Sue.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I would say Palm is really busy. Alcudia. That would be a good idea for a girls trip if you want to just kind of not be too crazy, but be crazy with each other. Which is kind of my trihanda trip. Like, I like to be the party, not go to a party. So I. If you're into making the party, I would go to Alcutia. If you're going. If you're looking to be in, like a mess of people and have lots of options, then go to Palma. But there's other parts of the island that are quite. I mean, the island's massive, so there's lots of different places. There's Palenza, there's Daiya. That's a little bit more quiet and sleepy, but it's also a great place to hang out with your girlfriends. So it's again, it's like, you know, what are you the party? Or are you going to find the party? Great. Okay, well, that's our minisode for today. Thank you. Thank you. Hello. Goodbye.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

Bye.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, guys, I am officially on my high and Mighty Tour. March 13, Cleveland, Ohio. March 14, Columbus, Ohio. March 15, Cincinnati, Ohio. And then March 20 is Denver, Colorado. March 27, Portland, Maine. March 28, Providence, Rhode Island. March 29, Springfield, Massachusetts. April 10 is Chicago. I'll be at the Chicago Theater. April 11, Indianapolis, Indiana. April 12, Louisville, Kentucky. April 16 is Albuquerque, New Mexico. April 17 is Mesa, Arizona. April 23 is Kansas City, Missouri. April 24 is St. Louis, Missouri. April 25 is Minneapolis, Minnesota. April 30, Nashville, Tennessee. May 1 is Charlotte, North Carolina. May 2 is Durham, North Carolina. May 6, I'm doing Netflix is a Joke Festival. I will be in Los Angeles. That is a new announcement along with Atlantic City. May 15, Saratoga, California. May 16, Monterey, California. May 17, Modesto, California. And then June 4, Portchester, New York. June 5 is Boston, Mass. And June 12 is Portland, Oregon and then Seattle is June 13. So suck on that everybody. Go to chelseahandler.com for tickets.

[Katherine]

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[Jo Winterstein]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

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[Melissa]

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[Melissa]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Narrator for Mind Games]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Narrator for Mind Games]

What if the truth was disguised by

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Jo Winterstein]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Narrator for Mind Games]

Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Chelsea Handler]

But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

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[Chelsea Handler]

That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here.

[Katherine]

This case has gone viral.

[Various Podcast Hosts (Hans Charles, Clayton Eckerd)]

The dating contract.

[Melissa]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Katherine]

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Chelsea Handler]

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