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Kathryn Law
Hi, Chelsea. We're here for another minisode.
Chelsea Handler
Minisode. Welcome to a minisode.
Kathryn Law
So I have a follow up from Carly, who called in way back on our Lauren Lapkis episode. She was ready to move on from situationships, was sleeping with a coworker and felt like she was kind of falling for him and wanted to tell him. Our advice was to tell him how she was feeling. So she says. Hey there. Thanks for checking in. I unfortunately don't have a success story to fill you in on. I did take Chelsea's advice and it didn't pan out. I started dating again and met some interesting guys. This time around, I felt like the ball was in my court and I had the power. It took the pressure off of dating and I just decided I wanted to have fun with it. One guy showed promise. But then, unfortunately, I started getting the ick. I actually started things up again with the guy I was sleeping with after a bunch of failed attempts at dating again. Dating can get exhausting and I'm unfortunately impatient. I'm still hopeful that I'll meet the one, but for now I'm just focusing on making money, traveling, and having my friends with benefits. Thanks again for checking in, Carly.
Chelsea Handler
That was with the boss or what?
Kathryn Law
Not with the boss. This was like a while ago. She was like sleeping with a co worker and she was getting the feelings. They were like friends with benefits.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah, right. And he wasn't. Okay. Okay, copy that.
Shaka Khan
Well, great.
Chelsea Handler
You have your answer and now you're happier. So I was right. Yeah, like, you got your information, you found out. Yes. That's good. This is progress. And now she's enjoying her life.
Kathryn Law
I love this, like focusing on making money, traveling and having fun with my.
Chelsea Handler
Friends and having a good time.
Kathryn Law
Amazing.
Chelsea Handler
And also, let's all just get out of the idea of that there's one person out there for us.
Kathryn Law
Agreed.
Chelsea Handler
That's just so silly. That's impossible with there's 9 billion people on the planet almost now.
Kathryn Law
I think there are better people and worse people.
Chelsea Handler
I don't even know how many people.
Shaka Khan
Are on the planet.
Kathryn Law
That's a lot. It's too many.
Chelsea Handler
It's too many. And there's not just one. There are multiple people out there for you. So it's like, if it doesn't work out with. It's not like you're meeting your. There's no such thing. I mean, like, yeah, I believe in, you know, you can have a connection with someone, but that can go for your mother, your sister, your daughter, your dog, you know, your neighbor. Like, there's a lot of soulmate versions out there. So don't think of it as, like, there's one person. There's more than one person that you can match with.
Kathryn Law
Just like. Like, you said more than one dog, right? Yeah. Mimsy turns 10 tomorrow, by the way. Oh.
Chelsea Handler
Happy early birthday to Mimsy.
Kathryn Law
I'm, like, excited for her to have a birthday, but I'm also like, please stay as young as possible as long as possible.
Chelsea Handler
Oh, you could just clone her.
Kathryn Law
You know, it crosses my mind. It crosses my mind. She's like, she is the dog. I've always had very, like, a lot of anticipatory grief about, like, even since she was a baby. I'm like, never die with the other two. I'm like, I love you, but, you know, eventually it'll be your time.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah, exactly.
Kathryn Law
So Alexis wrote in and says, dear Chelsea, my mom has been in a bit of a dilemma for quite some time. All of my mom's friends honestly suck. They're total drains. And she has met women like this over and over. It makes no sense because my mom is a total badass. Super fun, outgoing, loyal, and funny as hell. I don't understand how crap women keep seeking out my mother and befriending her. She's had friends become stalkers, single white female type situations, or just trauma dump on her. They never ask how she's doing. And Chelsea, it really pisses me off. I wish you guys were friends. I would love to do a video call with my mom and gain advice on what to do moving forward. It makes me sad. My mom's best friend and all of her friends are just a selfish af. I have a lovely group of girlfriends myself, so it makes me sad that this is the hand my mom has been dealt. Please help Alexis.
Chelsea Handler
Hi, Alexis.
Kathryn Law
We have mom too, right? Who is Shaka?
Alexis
Hi.
Chelsea Handler
How are you?
Shaka Khan
Good.
Chelsea Handler
How are you? I'm good, thanks. Your mom is Chaka Khan?
Alexis
Yes, she is.
Chelsea Handler
That's great. I love a mother daughter duo dynamic. That's my favorite.
Kathryn Law
And Shaka said they're best Friends. She said, my daughter's my best friend. I think that's very sweet.
Shaka Khan
Yes, we are. Here I am.
Chelsea Handler
Hi, Chaka Khan. How are you?
Shaka Khan
Good.
Chelsea Handler
How are you?
Shaka Khan
So nice to meet you.
Chelsea Handler
You're so cute. Look at this. Two cutie pies. I love it. I love it. Your daughter thinks all of your friends are assholes.
Shaka Khan
They are. They've been pretty. They've been pretty crappy, to be honest.
Chelsea Handler
Really? What do you think? The prob. What do you. Alexis, what do you think the problem is?
Alexis
I don't know if it's because, like, her personality is so, like, magnetic in a way that people are jealous, kind of like maybe they don't know who they are, so they just cling on to her.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah.
Alexis
The same way she is.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah. Well, people are attracted to, like, happy, positive people, so that makes sense.
Alexis
Yeah.
Chelsea Handler
I mean, it's a compliment, really.
Shaka Khan
I know. And you know, and here's what I'll say. A lot of people say I should take it as a compliment, and I do. 100%, I do. But at some point, it becomes violating.
Chelsea Handler
Give me some examples.
Shaka Khan
So I had one gal, and I knew her. She was a family member by marriage, and he went crazy on me and, like, bought my car, would drive by my house in my car. I planned a trip to go to Tulum, Mexico. She bought her entire family a trip.
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Shaka Khan
It was severe. She would drive by my house consistently. You know, I feared going in my yard. So, you know, at some point, I am worried for my safety.
Chelsea Handler
To clarify something, did she buy the car from you or she bought the same model of car you have?
Shaka Khan
No, she just bought the same. She would leave me notes on what? I can read you one. And it was pretty severe. She just said. Because at some point, I blocked her on every social media account. I'm like, okay, I need to distance myself. This is becoming unsafe. And then she started sending me messages via Pinterest. She would follow me and she would say things. You may have blocked me on every social media platform, but if you don't think that I know what you're doing, you're delusional. I will spend eternity plotting your just rewards. C U N T. Oh, my God.
Kathryn Law
This doesn't sound like a friend. This sounds like.
Chelsea Handler
That's a different level. That's a stalker. Psycho.
Kathryn Law
Yeah.
Shaka Khan
She wouldn't let me go. She wouldn't let me go. Like, I tried to disconnect several times throughout our relationship, and she sunk her teeth in deeper to me, so, you know, at some point, these women, I think that they do have a love for me in the. In the. In the beginning, I think that they want to find the strength that I maybe have. I'm pretty strong gal, and I'm very much an individual. And so I don't think that these women are. And they are seeking that. But at some point it becomes. I'm no longer talking to them. I'm talking to me. I don't even know what to say next because they've taken the words, like, literally right out of my mouth.
Chelsea Handler
And is this situation. Because this is an extreme situation, this has happened to multiple friends of yours, that they want to mimic your behavior and kind of emulate your whole life?
Shaka Khan
It is, it is. And it's. It's become to the point now where when I meet a woman, I actually will go right into that conversation to kind of feel out, yeah, that's smart. If this is going to happen again to me, I'm like, this cannot be happening again. And again like this. There is something that I'm maybe putting out there that is. I don't know. I don't know that acting this kind of person over and over again.
Chelsea Handler
So what do you say when you meet friends now? Like, how do you explain this? What do you say, like, hey, listen, I get. A lot of. My friends turn into stalkers. I have to make sure you're not fudgeing crazy.
Shaka Khan
Pretty much. Pretty much. Maybe in a little gentler way.
Chelsea Handler
Right, right.
Shaka Khan
I do. I do just come right out and say, hey, you know what? I've had some issues in the past, you know, with women, and I don't necessarily, you know, hey, are you one of these women? But I almost have like a spidey sense for it now because it's happened so frequently. So I'm super hypersensitive to it, which kind of deters me from wanting to move forward with any women.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah, I understand what you mean. I think you probably are. First of all, do you trust your judgment at this point to be able to kind of suss out who is going to be, like, stable and who's going to be unstable?
Shaka Khan
Absolutely. I'm 53 now, so I feel like 50s are a whole new ballgame for. And I do feel like I've got it pretty well dialed where I can feel out if I'm going to be a supply source to these people.
Chelsea Handler
Right.
Shaka Khan
So that's. That's kind of where I'm at now. But I know I need women in my life. I know I need a good group of women. I would love a good group of women.
Chelsea Handler
Like a posse, you know, it feels like you should hang out with your daughter and her friends. They sound more normal.
Shaka Khan
Believe me, I do.
Chelsea Handler
Okay, well, that's good. Listen, I think you're on the right track. Like, you've identified the issue. You've made changes in how you're approaching your friendships. Your daughter's aware you're on the same page. It's not like you and your daughter are in conflict. On this matter where she's saying one thing and you're saying that that doesn't happen, you're admitting it's true. It's a compliment that people are attracted to you. It's a compliment that people want to, like, mimic your lifestyle and emulate the way that you live. That's a compliment. Obviously, you don't want people driving by your house and copying everything you do. So it sounds like you're on the case already. You just have to have a little bit more discernment about who you let into your circle. And that's great, because you have to set up boundaries. And you, like you said, when you're in your 50s, those boundaries are much easier to set because it's not like an option. It's almost like a mandate.
Shaka Khan
True, true. Very true.
Chelsea Handler
Very true. So I feel like between the two of you guys, you're on the case already, and you're not gonna allow any more fruitcakes into your life. You know, like, you have to be very clear at the beginning, at the outset, which you just said you were like, I'm not dealing with any dependence. I don't need any more dependence. I don't need anyone who's so interested in living my life that they want to actually live my life. You know, I'm looking for strong women that have strong boundaries of their own in place. And those are the only types of relationships I'm looking for.
Shaka Khan
Are they out there?
Chelsea Handler
Yes, they are. Of course they are. It's like discounting men. You can't discount all men, only discount most of them. You know what I mean? Yeah, like 90%. But no, there are women out there that are like that. You know, there are. You've had normal friends. Look at your daughter. Look at her friends. You're look at me like I have normal friends. I don't have psychos like that in my life.
Shaka Khan
I mean, I do have one girlfriend that I absolutely love. Her name is Burnett, and she's been a solid rock, for sure. I mean, she's A little crazy too, but you know.
Chelsea Handler
Yeah, that's okay. A little crazy is fine.
Shaka Khan
Crazy cool. Crazy Cool.
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Shaka Khan
I know, I know. But gosh, I just have had really no solids, you know, and so I. At some point, you just kind of lose some hope, I guess.
Chelsea Handler
I know, but it's like dating. You know what I mean? Everyone loses hope. Dating. They go on a website and they're like. They go on five dates and they're like, fucking forget it. You know, everyone's disgusting or everyone's a loser that everyone wants to split a check. Like, you have to treat it like dating, like you're going to audition some new girlfriends in the next few months. There are places at sites where, I mean, if you really want to go and, like, meet friends on. On. On like, friend websites, you could do that. But I really don't think that's necessary for you.
Kathryn Law
It's not like you're desperate.
Shaka Khan
Right.
Chelsea Handler
By the way, let me just rephrase that. Anyone who's on a site to meet friends, well, that is a little desperate. So sorry, I can't rephrase it. But if you're on a dating site to meet guys, that is not desperate. I understand that. Support that for all women. But if you're only in a situation where you have to meet people online, then, yeah, that's a, like, that's a different situation. You're not in that situation.
Kathryn Law
So, yeah, one thing that might be helpful too is rather than going out for, like, individual women, if there's like someone, you know who has like, say, a book club or like a friend group already where they all kind of know each other and you can insert yourself for sure. That might be a nice way to, like, they've all got their stuff going on. They've all got their own lives and their own relationships, and you can kind of like sneak on in there and have some extra friends and, like, see if there's someone you vibe with.
Shaka Khan
I recently did do that. And I'm kind of notorious for calling people lovey. Lovey or shug. People usually get a pet name from me. So we go out to dinner, and all of a sudden, all these girls at the table are calling each other lovey. And I'm going, what the hell's going on right now? So it's just weird, you know, it's kind of weird behavior. I don't know. I don't know what it is.
Chelsea Handler
You know, maybe they listen. I am a strong personality, and I am like, you know, I have that vibe, right? I love to just latch onto other groups of girls. Like, I'm always on the periphery of lots of different friend groups. Cause I don't like to be too enmeshed in groups of women. Like, I have probably 10 different groups of girlfriends. And I go in and out when I please. I'm not a jealous person. So I'm not worried that I'm not the center of the universe. But I like to be like, I'll show up on a vacation, or I'll show up at their Thursday night dinner that they do every week, and then I show up. I like to be the kind of outsider of friend groups because I like to float around.
Shaka Khan
Yeah, me too.
Chelsea Handler
So I think that's the attitude you should take. You should find groups like what Catherine suggested, whether that be a book club or whether you find existing groups to just kind of float in and out of. And if you see them, like, you know, you can. You can gather enough information to know whether or not it's a group you want to revisit or not.
Shaka Khan
For sure. Absolutely. That's absolutely right. Yes. Yes, I agree with that.
Kathryn Law
Alexis, are you gonna help her out with us? Yeah.
Shaka Khan
I think the universe knew I was gonna get some dog shit women, and they gave me a daughter, you know?
Chelsea Handler
Yeah. Well, that's good. So weird, women stalking other women.
Shaka Khan
It is. And I was like, you know, if it was a guy, it was a guy. I'm like, yeah, you know, I kind of wouldn't be like, all right, this guy. But it's women driving by me. I'm like, what do you think you're gonna see me in my robe outside?
Chelsea Handler
So weird.
Shaka Khan
I don't know. It's just. It's very bizarre behavior. And I don't know what to do with those women either. Like, how do I manage that? I can't. You know, I feel anxiety. Am I gonna have to be ready to rumble?
Kathryn Law
Yeah, I feel like you just have to ignore them. Unless it does get to the point with this other woman, like, that might be time for like a restraining order.
Chelsea Handler
Well, I mean, it's just a very weird pattern. Like.
Shaka Khan
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she's an administrator at a school.
Chelsea Handler
What do you think, Alexis? What do you think this situation is?
Alexis
I, again, I think it's just her, unfortunately, meeting people that don't know who they are. And so then they. Or they're unhappy in their lives and they see my mom and she's just so, you know, her personality is very big. We're kind of opposite that way. I'm a little more quiet, but I think they're just really like, attracted to that and they.
Chelsea Handler
I don't.
Alexis
They just cling on and want to do that. They start just like, wearing the same clothes, doing their hair the same. Like all of a sudden they've never done that before. And at first I thought it was a compliment. And then the more times I noticed this is happening, I'm like, okay, something is up. Like, this is not normal behavior.
Kathryn Law
How that's so strange. Yeah, some people are a little bit that way. Like, I have one of those faces where people will come up to me at the grocery store and like, tell me their life story. So I mean, some people just have like a certain vibe and it's not anything I don't think that you can control.
Shaka Khan
You know, I know and I don't. And then I think, you know, do I need to be, you know, less? Do I need to like, you know, be? I don't know. I don't know. But at some point now, in my 50s, though, I will say I'm embracing who I am. And I don't give two shits about what people are thinking or doing.
Chelsea Handler
I'm just like, I mean, you're embracing who you are. You shouldn't change who you are. You should just be like what we've already discussed, which is more discerning about letting people get close to you. You have to figure out who's crazy and who's not crazy, and then make those decisions. Don't start. Don't go all in right away.
Shaka Khan
Yeah, I agree.
Chelsea Handler
I do that. I do that. I'm like, oh, I love this person. And then three days later I'm like, nevermind.
Kathryn Law
I think you just have to detach a little bit from what their expectations of the friendship are. And like, if it, if it doesn't feel good for you, then it doesn't. It's not good. And you don't have to take that on, like, if they are feeling.
Chelsea Handler
No, no, no.
Kathryn Law
Just.
Chelsea Handler
I think we've covered it. I think you guys got the message.
Kathryn Law
Yeah.
Shaka Khan
Yeah.
Kathryn Law
All right, gals.
Chelsea Handler
Okay. Okay, ladies, thank you for calling in.
Shaka Khan
Hey, thank you so much.
Kathryn Law
Thanks.
Chelsea Handler
Bye. Okay, well, that's a wrap on our little minisode couples counseling. Okay, well, that's a. I don't know what to say now. Goodbye.
Kathryn Law
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Chelsea Handler
Goodbye. So I added a couple of new dates. I'm not on tour yet, but I added a couple of dates just because I felt like we need a little bit more laughter and a little bit more medicine for the end of the year. And I was wrapping things up, but I thought maybe let me do a couple more. So I'm adding three more dates. In addition to my Vegas residency, I'm headlining the Rochester Fringe Comedy Festival September 13, and I will be in Napa on October 3. So those will be my last dates of the year.
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This is an iHeart podcast.
Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Handler & Kathryn Law
Guests: Alexis & Shaka Khan (mother/daughter callers)
In this candid and humorous minisode, Chelsea Handler and her co-host Kathryn Law tackle listener questions about dating and female friendship dynamics. The main focus is a heartfelt conversation with a mother-daughter duo, Alexis and Shaka Khan, who share personal struggles with toxic female friendships and the peculiar experience of attracting "Single White Female"-type friends. Chelsea offers her trademark unfiltered advice, encouraging boundaries, discernment, and embracing one's true self.
“Your daughter thinks all of your friends are assholes.”
— Chelsea Handler, directly to Shaka Khan (06:57)
“They start just, like, wearing the same clothes, doing their hair the same… At first I thought it was a compliment, and then the more times I noticed this is happening, I’m like, okay, something is up. Like, this is not normal behavior.”
— Alexis (22:49)
“Maybe the universe knew I was gonna get some dog-shit women, and they gave me a daughter, you know?”
— Shaka Khan (21:37)
“It’s not like you need a gaggle of girlfriends… It’s not a fucking emergency.”
— Chelsea Handler (18:49)
This lighthearted yet meaningful minisode is classic Dear Chelsea: a mix of sharp honesty, personal storytelling, and empowering advice about friendship, boundaries, and living authentically. The hosts tackle heavy topics with humor, reinforce the importance of self-respect and discernment in relationships, and remind listeners: you don’t have to settle for “dog-shit” friends or believe in just one soulmate.
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This episode will especially resonate with anyone who's navigated tricky friend dynamics, struggled with "energy vampire" relationships, or wondered if it's okay to float in and out of social circles. Chelsea’s advice champions owning your magnetism while keeping clear boundaries, offering both catharsis and actionable tips—with plenty of laughs along the way.
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