Minisode: Book Recommendations with Chelsea + Catherine

Summary

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Dear Chelsea – Minisode: Stay Out of the Forest with Chelsea + Catherine

iHeartPodcasts | June 19, 2026

Episode Overview

In this lively and bookish minisode, host Chelsea Handler and her co-host Catherine Law chat about their latest literary obsessions, centering around stories set in the woods, mysterious disappearances, and tales of connection. With their typical mix of humor, curiosity, and candid opinions, they swap book recommendations and discuss what draws people—not themselves, they joke!—to forest settings. Expect friendly teasing, deep dives into literary plots, and reflections on why reading outside your usual interests matters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dougie the Dog’s Cameo & Banter

[03:47–04:32]

• The episode kicks off with Catherine and Chelsea gushing over Dougie, Chelsea’s beloved dog.
• Light teasing and affectionate dialogue about Dougie’s personality:
  • “He only does what he wants to do.” – Chelsea ([03:56])
  • Discussion of Dougie’s fur color changes and “snuggle negotiations.”

Books Set in the Woods: Guest Recommendations

[04:32–11:41]

• A guest joins Catherine and Chelsea to share recent book picks, all serendipitously set in deep forests:
  • North Woods by Daniel Mason
    • “It’s the history of this house and all the different people who live there throughout the decades and generations. It’s really cool.” – Guest ([05:03])
    • Noted for a touch of magical realism and beautiful writing.
  • The Cold Vanish by John Billman
    • True crime and investigative journalism about missing persons in American national parks.
    • “He follows a bunch of these cases… and he specifically works with some of the families to try and find their loved ones. It’s just really beautiful storytelling.” – Guest ([11:11])
    • Chelsea asks about the writing style:
      • “Is it descriptive?”
      • “The writing is very evocative… his turns of phrase are always kind of surprising.” – Guest ([11:42])
  • The Stranger in the Woods by Michael Finkel
    • Nonfiction about a hermit who lived in the Maine woods for 25 years.
    • “He learned how to exist in the woods in such a secretive way that he could not leave footprints… No one ever found his camp. He never talked to anybody.” – Guest ([12:56])
    • Humorous speculation from Catherine and Chelsea about eating branches or rabbits to survive in the wild.

Chelsea & Catherine’s Recent Reads

[13:26–22:44]

Chelsea’s Picks

• The Correspondent by Virginia Evans
  • Received rave reviews, with Jane Fonda attached to option it.
  • Written in epistolary (letter-writing) style:
    • “She’s an older woman… she’s got a lot of chutzpah and a lot of opinions and her nose in a lot of people’s business.” – Catherine ([14:14])
    • “She’s very much an interloper.” – Catherine ([14:21])
    • Chelsea clarifies: “It’s contemporary.” ([14:26])
• Life and Death and Giants by Ron Rindo
  • Recommended by Juliana Margulies.
  • A novel featuring Amish characters, farm life, and a character who is a literal giant—based loosely on a true story.
  • “He was born to this Amish mother… he sprang to become a giant and became a wrestler.” – Chelsea ([15:15])
  • Catherine appreciates reading outside her interests:
    • “This book has nothing to do with any of my interests… but I do really appreciate being exposed to things that I’m not that interested in.” – Catherine ([15:54])

Catherine’s Highlight

• Kin by Tayari Jones
  • An Oprah’s Book Club selection about two motherless girls from Louisiana whose lives diverge and later intertwine.
  • “There are some turns of phrase in here… I was bawling. It was so beautifully written and so profound.” – Catherine ([21:50])
  • The book explores the bond between women—“their dedication and devotion to each other was really moving and powerful.” ([22:06])
  • Catherine underlined many lines for their beautiful language.

Reflections on Reading, Language, and Personal Growth

[14:38–16:05, 22:44–22:48]

• Catherine expresses the joy of learning new words:
  • “I love learning words.” ([14:47])
• Both hosts emphasize the value of reading outside personal interests for growth and perspective.
• Word of the week: “Evocative”—“Evocative, adjective, intending to bring out an especially emotional response. Chelsea uses evocative language when reading straight white men.” – Guest ([22:48])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Maybe not camping. I need to go to, like, a beautiful place. Yeah, it’s on a lake, maybe.” – Guest ([11:02])
• “I actually want a guide, a wood guide…” – Catherine ([13:20])
• “I tore through [The Correspondent] in three days. [Life and Death and Giants] took me a little longer. But I do really appreciate being exposed to things that I’m not that interested in.” – Catherine ([15:54])
• “[Kin]… I was bawling. It was so beautifully written and so profound…” – Catherine ([21:50])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:47–04:32] – Dougie the dog banter
• [04:32–11:41] – Guest recommends three “woods” books
• [13:26–16:05] – Chelsea and Catherine’s recent reads and discussion of new vocabulary
• [21:14–22:44] – Catherine’s highlight: Kin by Tayari Jones

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Language & Tone

• The episode maintains the show’s signature breezy, candid, and self-deprecating humor.
• Both Chelsea and Catherine playfully mock the idea of roughing it in the woods, preferring creature comforts and guides at the ready.
• Language is friendly, colloquial, and full of personal anecdotes—especially regarding their reading habits and ongoing quest for self-improvement.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed this minisode, you missed a cozy, witty, and occasionally philosophical conversation about book recommendations, all tinged with a “stay out of the forest” warning. Chelsea and Catherine share their recent literary discoveries, poke fun at survivalists and hermits, and underline the value of books that expose them to new worlds. The tone is open, funny, and accessible—perfect for anyone looking for a new book to pick up, or simply a reminder that your book club might one day discuss hermits, giants, and cradle sisters.

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Transcript

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Catherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Catherine]

Hi, Catherine. Dougie, come over here.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi. Come over here, Dougie. Come up here. Dougie.

[Ad Voice]

Come around.

[Catherine]

Come around.

[Chelsea Handler]

You thinking about it?

[Guest or Friend]

He's a very thoughtful Dougie.

[Chelsea Handler]

Come. He only does what he wants to do.

[Guest or Friend]

I love. Like, on camera, he just looks like a void moving through the room. There he is.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's my baby.

[Catherine]

Who's my beautiful baby?

[Guest or Friend]

He did get black again. Like, I know you had said he turned brown.

[Catherine]

No.

[Guest or Friend]

And now he's. I feel that he's black again.

[Catherine]

I love you so bad. Lie down. Yeah, go down.

[Chelsea Handler]

Good boy.

[Guest or Friend]

I'm glad he lets you snuggle him, even though he doesn't snuggle at night.

[Catherine]

I know, but he's getting better. He understands that there's a price to pay if he doesn't give me what I want.

[Guest or Friend]

Chelsea, let's talk about books.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. I've read a few. A bunch of books lately.

[Catherine]

I have some good book recommendations. Okay.

[Guest or Friend]

Do you want to start? Do you want me to sprinkle some of that?

[Catherine]

Sure, sure.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Catherine]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Guest or Friend]

Well, one that I have been reading that I just read recently that I super duper loved. I realized, like, the three that I thought to talk about today are all set deep in the woods. This first one, I think that you would actually really, really love. It's fiction. There's, like, a tiny bit of magical realism in it, but not a ton.

[Catherine]

Magical realism.

[Guest or Friend]

Not a ton, but it is not in there. It's called North Woods. It's by Daniel Mason, and it's all set in New England at this house that's built like sort of maybe in the 1700s. And it's the history of this house and all the different people who live there throughout the like, decades and generations. It's really cool. I really, really loved it. It's beautifully written. It kind of like moves along pretty quickly. I really liked it. Okay, do you have fitness and wellness questions? Well, Chelsea's personal trainer Ben Bruno is about to guest on an episode, so write into dearchelseapodcastmail.com with all your fitness and wellness questions.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Catherine]

What else you got?

[Guest or Friend]

A couple other ones that I really loved. I just finished one called the Cold Vanish. It's by.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, these all do sound like they take place in the woods.

[Catherine]

Really?

[Guest or Friend]

They're all in the woods. I think I need to, like, go be in the woods. Like, I think I'm finding. Like, I think I need to be.

[Catherine]

I need to go.

[Guest or Friend]

Maybe not camping. I need to go to, like, a beautiful place. Yeah, it's on a lake, maybe.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Catherine]

Somewhere with lots of trails.

[Guest or Friend]

Yes.

[Catherine]

So that you can see the snakes before they see you.

[Guest or Friend]

Yes. This is called the Cold Vanish. It's by John Billman. And this if, like, anybody likes true crime, it's perfect for that because it's a journalist who has written a ton of stuff for Outside magazine, and he follows, like, a bunch of these cases of missing persons in America's national parks, and he specifically works with some of the families to try and, like, find their loved ones or, like, as they search. And it's just really beautiful storytelling. All true stories. And I really liked it. That. And then.

[Chelsea Handler]

Is it descriptive?

[Guest or Friend]

Yes. That's what surprised me the most, is I expected it to be a little bit drier, but it's very. The writing is very evocative. It's beautiful writing, and it's interesting writing. And his turns of phrase are always kind of surprising. And I really like when a writer does that.

[Catherine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest or Friend]

And then the third one that I have to recommend is called the Stranger in the Woods. Oh, God, we're just in the woods. It's called the Extraordinary Story of the Last True Hermit, and it's by Michael Finkel. I listened to this one in the book on tape, which I would recommend. We call that audiobooks now, but I would recommend it because the person in question, the hermit in question, does have this sort of Mainer accent. And it's nonfiction. So it's all about this guy who just, like, in the 80s, like, wandered off into the woods and then just lived there for, like, 25 years and would go into people's cabins in the wintertime, like, take stuff, but, like, not too much. And he was always very Respectful. But he was like. Like they knew there was a hermit out there who was just like the man in the woods. And so eventually things understand how people

[Catherine]

go and live in the woods. Me either.

[Guest or Friend]

Me either.

[Chelsea Handler]

How does that.

[Catherine]

And then what happens the next day? What are they eating? Branches. Like, what. What are they killing?

[Chelsea Handler]

Rabbits.

[Catherine]

Like, what are they.

[Guest or Friend]

He, like, learned how to exist in the woods in such a secretive way that he could, like, not leave footprints. He was basically, like, really close to all these different houses and cabins and stuff, but, like, no one really knew where he was. No one ever found his camp. He never talked to anybody. So he was like a person who really, truly just wanted to be alone.

[Catherine]

To be alone in the woods. Yeah, it's the exact opposite. Yeah, I like the alone part, but not the woods part.

[Guest or Friend]

Right.

[Catherine]

I don't want to be alone in the woods. I actually want a guide, a wood guide, so.

[Guest or Friend]

To take you back out of the woods.

[Catherine]

Okay.

[Chelsea Handler]

I just read.

[Catherine]

I've read three books. I read. The first one is called the Correspondent, which has been going around. Yes, that's the one Jane Fonda signed on to do. It's written by Virginia Evans. And that is a real page turner. Have you read that yet?

[Guest or Friend]

No, I haven't. She's writing letters, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, it's epistolary, actually. That's the style of writing, which is letter writing.

[Catherine]

I learned that because I saw Mindy Kaling on a podcast talking about it on a clip on Instagram. And she was saying her favorite. They said, what's your favorite type of writing? And she wrote, epistolary. That's when they write letters. I had no idea what that word meant, so I was like, wow, I like that. You know how I love learning words.

[Chelsea Handler]

So epistolary. Yeah.

[Catherine]

So this book is all about this woman and her letters to people and their letters back to her family members, love interests, children, family, friends. And she's an older woman and she's

[Chelsea Handler]

got a lot of chutzpah and she's

[Catherine]

got a lot of opinions and she's got her nose in a lot of people's business.

[Guest or Friend]

I like it. I like it.

[Catherine]

She's very much an interloper.

[Guest or Friend]

Okay.

[Catherine]

So I identify.

[Guest or Friend]

Is it modern day? Is that modern day?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes, it is.

[Catherine]

It's contemporary. And then this book, my friend Juliana, she sends me all my books. Juliana Margulies, Life and Death and Giants by Ron Rindo. So this is a novel.

[Chelsea Handler]

This takes place.

[Catherine]

I don't wanna give anything away, but this book is. This is what I love about books. Is I wanna be introduced to things I know nothing about. And I don't want to only read things that are of interest to me. I like to read things that have nothing to do with me or nothing to do with any of my interests. This book has nothing to do with. There's Amish people, there's farm life. There's a giant.

[Guest or Friend]

Okay.

[Catherine]

In the book.

[Guest or Friend]

Oh, wait, is this kind of about the giant that they found in that field? The quote unquote giant? I forget what it's called.

[Chelsea Handler]

He was a wrestler.

[Catherine]

He became.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's like, loosely based on a true

[Catherine]

story about this kid who sprang to become a giant and became a wrestler. He was a professional wrestler.

[Chelsea Handler]

Anyway, he lives this crazy life because of his size and because of his

[Catherine]

strength and because of his power and his physical strength and his power. And so he just ends up living this kind of crazy life. But he was born to this Amish mother and then. Interesting. It's just like a world that I would never delve into. So in complete honesty, it's not a book that I was like, oh, my

[Chelsea Handler]

God, I've gotta rip the pages open.

[Catherine]

But like the correspondent, I was like, I tore through that in three days. This took me a little bit longer. But I do really appreciate being exposed to the. To the things in life that I'm not that interested in.

[Guest or Friend]

Okay.

[Catherine]

You know, naturally. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Chelsea Handler]

Do learn about Devato visit Dovato.com or call 1-877-844-8872. You're probably hearing a lot about longevity right now. I know I am and I know I care about it. And when it comes to skin, aging is linked with a decline in cellular energy. As that energy decreases, skin doesn't regenerate or renew itself as efficiently. And that's when you start to see dullness, fine lines and loss of firmness. Obagi Medical has been trusted by dermatologists for over 35 years. Their newly launched facial serum, New Gen Cellular Renewal Serum is powered by NAD and supports skin's natural renewal processes at the skin cell level. In clinical testing, skin appeared up to six years younger after 12 weeks. Learn [e-mail] and new customers can use code Chelsea15 for 15% off qualifying orders. Terms apply now. Quick break. Switching topics to one of our favorite sponsors, Vital Proteins Vital Proteins has introduced their new collagen sparkling waters designed to bring together refreshing flavor and clinically backed benefits in one simple daily ritual. These sparkling waters come in three crisp flavors Strawberry blossom, lemon, lime and blood orange, each offering a bright, enjoyable taste that fits easily into any routine. Whether you're starting your morning, taking a midday break or winding down in the evening, they make, well, wellness feel effortless and easy to maintain. Each can contains two and a half grams of verosol Collagen peptides, which are clinically shown to improve skin health in as little as 30 days. It's a straightforward way to support your skin from within simply by sipping something you already enjoy. The formula also includes 0 grams added sugar, no artificial sweeteners, and 100% daily dose of vitamin C. That means you get a refreshing beverage that aligns with your goals while also supporting collagen production, immune immune support and that healthy, glowy skin look that many people strive for. What sets this product apart is the combination of science and simplicity. The clinically backed collagen peptides provide meaningful benefits, while the sparkling water format makes it easy to stay consistent. There is no complicated routine, no extra steps, just a can you can grab and enjoy at any point in your day. It's a practical, approachable way to incorporate wellness into your lifestyle without feeling like you're adding another task to your list or overhauling your habits. Vital Proteins designed these collagen sparkling waters to help people feel confident in what they're drinking. With clean ingredients, refreshing flavor and research supported benefits, they offer a balanced option for anyone looking to support their skin health in a convenient, enjoyable way. So if you want A daily ritual that feels good, tastes good, and supports your skin health in a meaningful way. This is it. Sip your way to better skin health with Vital proteins. Collagen, sparkling water. Get 20% off your next order by going to vitalproteins.com and using promo code Chelsea20 at checkout. We'll be right back. Thank you again to our sponsor, Vital Proteins. For business owners and entrepreneurs, there is a constant challenge getting things done fast and done well. Why not have both? That's why WIX Harmony stands out. It's an AI website builder that helps create a website quickly without compromising your vision. A fully functional site can be built for any business just by describing the idea. Then you can choose to chat with AI or edit everything manually to get it exactly right. There's also Aria, an AI agent available to answer questions or help complete tasks. And here's what makes it even better. Aria doesn't just live in a chat box. You can click anywhere on your site and ask her to make changes instantly. It's these details that make creating with WIX Harmony feel seamless. Join millions of businesses already using WIX and try WIX Harmony for [e-mail] harmony that's wix.com harmony and now this next

[Catherine]

book is called Kin by Tayari Jones. This is one of Oprah's book clubs. Oprah has the best books.

[Chelsea Handler]

She always brings the best books because

[Catherine]

they're deep, they're meaningful. This is about two young girls who grew up in Louisiana. They both are motherless and they kind of go off in different directions. One goes to college in Atlanta at Spelman, and this other girl goes on and lives in Mississippi for a while. Then she moves to Tennessee. Anyway, these two girls just kind of diverge and then their lives kind of come back together and you see the different shapes their lives have taken. This took a while for me to get into it. Took me about like 100 pages.

[Chelsea Handler]

Sure.

[Catherine]

And then I was in. And there are some turns of phrase in here that. I mean, there's a chapter in here that had me hysterically crying when I went to bed the other night. I just was bawling. It was so beautifully written and it's so profound and meaningful and

[Chelsea Handler]

just this

[Catherine]

relationship and this girl's bond that they had because they were cradle sisters, they call it. Well, they really were. They like, you know, they were in the crib together and just their bond and like the bond between women that go through life together and then kind of keep showing up for each other at all of the different turns that you can show up for each other was really moving and their dedication and devotion to each other was really moving and powerful.

[Guest or Friend]

I love that.

[Catherine]

And the writing is beautiful there. So I mean, I wrote down, I underlined a bunch in the book because there was just such beautiful writing. But of course I didn't earmark any of the pages so I'd have to go through it. But it's definitely worth reading. It's called Kin.

[Guest or Friend]

Awesome.

[Catherine]

That's one of Oprah's book. Yeah. So those are three books I've read in the last couple weeks.

[Guest or Friend]

Awesome. Excellent. The word of the week is evocative. Evocative adjective intending to bring out an especially emotional response. Chelsea uses evocative language when reading straight white men. Evocative. If you want advice from Chelsea, write in to dearchelsea podcastmail.com Dear Chelsea is a production of I Heart Media. Follow Chelsea on all socials elseehandler and find Catherine on TikTok lashkadabra. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brandon Dickert Executive Producer Kathryn Law. Find full video episodes and minisodes now on Netflix and get tickets to see Chelsea live at Chelsea handler.com longevity is

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