The pro-life movement is not having one conversation right now. It has several, and they do not always agree with each other.

Scott and Marcie discuss the Massachusetts bill that would allow abortion up to birth and the question it raises about messaging: As the movement has shifted its focus toward the mother, has it made a strategic mistake by stepping back from talking about the baby? They discuss fetal pain—what it is, how it shapes the conversation, and why some in the movement have moved away from talking about it.

They also examine the California lawsuit in which the state's attorney general is seeking more than $20 million and a permanent gag order against Heartbeat International and Real Options for telling women about Abortion Pill Reversal. Under oath, the state's own expert witness could not say APR is unsafe, could not say it does not work, and could not support the state's claim that the abortion pill is safer than Tylenol.

These conversations are shaping the future of the pro-life movement and raising questions it can no longer avoid.

Watch the full episode of Dear Jane.

0:23 — Abortion Up to Birth

1:49 — Have We Abandoned the Baby?

3:30 — The Fetal Pain Argument

4:16 — The Baby Recoils

5:40 — The Problem With Subjectivism

6:50 — Reorienting Around the Baby

7:54 — What's Your Favorite Type of Abortion?

9:34 — Equal Protection Explained

11:00 — Inside the Movement's Divide

13:14 — Unapologetic About the Goal

14:12 — Is the Movement Making It Worse?

15:00 — Abortion Is Illegal. It's Still Happening.

17:10 — History Doesn't Answer 2026

19:30 — Showing What Abortion Actually Is

20:00 — The California Lawsuit

21:00 — Coercion and the Feminist Silence

21:50 — The Baby Who Almost Wasn't

22:40 — The Witness Who Couldn't Back It Up

23:50 — Population Control on the Stand

24:40 — What If We Just Called It Progesterone?

26:00 — APR Is a Choice

27:00 — Taking Away the Right to Change Your Mind