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How Systems Control Society: Media Priming, Trauma & Collective Manipulation
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Jessie
This week's episode comes from a live lecture series that I did in 2022, when people were just truly waking up from the slumber of everything we went through as a collective with COVID There's something about this lecture that felt incredibly timely for where we find ourselves today. And while I am out of the studio traveling for podcast interviews, I thought this would be a great one to splice in. It's a long one, so grab some popcorn and enjoy. I'll see you next week. Your brain is wired for deception. But here's the truth. Patterns can be broken. The code can be rewritten. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back. So the only question is, are you ready to listen? I want us to be able to see how we can truly create a new system. One of the things that will be required is believing that it's possible. So many of you will have to bump up against that because deep down, you don't believe it's possible. I, luckily do really believe that it's possible. I've, in fact, had many a vision of what that future looks like. And I've been programmed since the day I was born to be one of the soldiers walking toward the front line. Raise your hand if you feel a deep knowing that you're one of the soldiers meant to walk toward the front line. Right? So see, that's a definitive raise of the hands, and that's why we're all here right now. And even if you're looking around at the people raising their hands and you're like, well, I don't feel that way. It's not about feeling bad or feeling like you're missing something. We're all here in this room. We're all hearing this message for a reason. None of you are sitting in a chair right now by accident. At this point, if you really think that things happen by accident and that everything's just a wild coincidence, clearly I haven't done my job. So if we can meet that resistance within ourselves that says, like, maybe it's not even really possible, and look around at the people that maybe we've met, had conversations with that we know are not crazy, that just raise their hands that are like, no, I was literally born for a time like this. That's evidence that there is something that can be done about it, and that that's already in process. We can change the system when we realize we're in the system, that the system is broken, and then we can figure out what about it needs to change or shift to not Repeat it again. All of those steps are required. So we have to keep in mind that input, output, relationship as it relates to systems is going to be. The chaos has to ensue first. The chaos is the disorganization, all the things that are creating pain or tension or friction. And then we within the chaos have to decide how we are going to attempt to organize or save ourselves from the pain or the struggle and try to move forward. We learned yesterday that often there is a group that instigates the chaos so that then we say yes to the system. This is not always the way it is, but I think, I hope I drove it home, that over history, this is how it has gone pretty consistently. So when we notice that a system appears to be unfolding and we've just been in a pain point, it's important for us to actually take a look and say, oh, is it possible that a THEY group actually created this destabilizing environment? And I'm not asking you to say this out loud, but in your head, do you feel like you have a they for what we've just been through the last two years? Right. Everyone's they is going to be slightly different. But I think most people at this point have not navigated through the last two years and been like, that was totally normal. That wasn't orchestrated at all. Everything's fine. It's just the new normal. This is how things are going to go from here. You realize that when all of a sudden terms just are like seemingly popping up like that on every news station. That's programming, that's precise language. If we say the new normal, everyone's going to say, it's new normal. These are all signs that you're operating within a system that is little by little priming you to reach and say, yes, that system piece looks good. That looks good. Or in certain cases trick you into believing that somehow you created the idea. That's a great one, great technique. Who's ever done that to their significant other? Where you set a trap for them
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Busy
because you know that they're not going
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Jessie
to listen to you, so you set a trap.
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Busy
So they're like, you know what's a good idea?
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Jessie
And you're like, you don't say, sure, let's do it, honey, great idea. And you turn around and you're like, nailed it. The they, the they do that too because they can market test and figure out exactly what circumstances they need to unfold for you to be like, you know what's a great idea? And they're like, see, we knew they were going to do that because humans are predictable. So often the very things that you think are a perfectly organic idea actually were systematic in how they were poked and prodded into your experience of reality. So you're like, I just had an epiphany. Did you? Or was that implanted by something you just experienced? So I think a really great example of this is when we come through a chaotic, terrible experience and we're in the pain, it's very common for us to want to slam on the brakes and be like, you know what? I'm gonna do this exact opposite thing. So if you think about when you're in a breakup, and I know I briefly touched on this yesterday, everyone's probably had a heartbreak experience, or. Right? When it happens, you're like, I'm never dating again. I'm never going on Tinder again. I'm never going on Bumble again. And then, like, how long does it actually take until you're like, I'm just gonna add the app for, like, a week, and then I'll delete it again. Zach's like, get out of my head.
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Busy
I'm just gonna add it back for, like, one week.
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Jessie
Yeah, you're playing a constant game of, like, delete, put back on, delete, put back on. Dear Diary, today I swiped right four times. No one's reached out to me yet. God, is that you? So if you think about how irrational we can be when we're in heartbreak, do you think that the same is true for the collective when we've just been through a collective trauma? Right. Do you think it's pretty easy for us to be like, you know what? We don't need any freedom. The Constitution, tear it up.
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Busy
I'll never want to go through this again. And then all of a sudden, you've torn up the constitution, and you're like,
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Jessie
actually, I wasn't thinking clearly when I said those words. I actually regret what I've said. And they're like, I'm sorry, it's too late. We no longer have a constitution. Okay? So anytime you catch yourself with a willingness to, like, a little bit less. Little bit less. Like, why not a little bit less, a little bit less? Just put yourself back into the worst breakup you've ever had and tell me if you were thinking rationally when you were planning how to move forward in the future. Has anyone ever been through a breakup where you look back and you're like, I was not living my best life. Right? I mean, even go back to, like, thinking about Your first love in high school, you, you probably acted real irrational, really irrational around a breakup. When you look back and you're like, that is so weird that I would have been like, my life is over, I'm never going to have babies. If you were 17, calm down. Who led you to believe that your life was starting right now? But when you're in emotion and you're in pain, especially when you're young, right. You project it out into those massive emotional dominoes. So we need to be really mindful that when we're in pain, especially as a collective, where I would argue our immaturity augments, whereas individually on the micro, some of us might have really done a lot of work. The macro, the collective, do we think the collective is very healed? No. If we were the reason I give the example of looking at your first teenage love and how rationally you handled your first breakup, that would probably be about the emotional maturity level of the collective. No, we're like a really hormonal teenager. So when you think of the macro, don't augment yourself in this room. Augment the irrational teenage version of you with hormones coursing through your body. So when we think of what hormones that would make us reach to as a possible solution, we're pretty easily controlled collective when it comes to whoever's instigating the chaos. When we look at how this destabilization happens and we also then kind of match it against collective trauma, it's pretty easy for the they, whatever you describe the they, to be as able to kind of see exactly where the pain point is. Just I go back to the relationship thing because we've all been there, you know exactly where to do the most harm. I know the thing, right? And of course we don't want to be mean, we don't want to be mean people, but your brain will serve you up that red cone and you know exactly what's the meanest thing to say in that moment. So it's just like, boom, right? People observing all of this that understand where we're at in our collective trauma and have no respect for us whatsoever, know exactly where to like put the knife in and twist so that we we willingly reach for the next thing. And what often happens is that that knee jerk reaction that we have to help us save us, we can't save ourselves is exactly why they shoved the knife in you in the first place. So I want you to guys to get in a good mindset of looking at these cause and effect relationships over time. Because usually the knife Was inserted by the same person that's handing you the gauze pad to put over the wound. Right. They're usually like one in the same, as evidenced also by Dr. Rushia's lecture. Often the person that's about to come in with the drug is the same organization that's like, you know what we should do? Let's add in the pain scale so that now that people are perceiving pain, oh, well, let's give you some painkillers, because now we have a way to say that you're in pain, whereas before, that wasn't something that was recognized. Right. The person giving you the wound is also the one handing you the bandage. This is a really interesting map that actually if you pull all the way out and it's a very long scrolling map, it's called the historiography map, if you ever want to look into, actually shows over time, kind of the distribution of power and wealth and how it's changed hands over time. Right. So if you look in really close, you can see obviously, like, the Egyptian empire was really big here, and then there were concurrent empires, but comparatively they were smaller. We can see here that, like, for the most part, I think this is really interesting one because this is China over here. China. Okay. I've always wanted to do that on the Minecraft. So notice they actually really kept to themselves. They were like, you know what? We don't trust anybody else. They weren't, for the most part out there trying to spread. They were like, we just want to remain a closed system and stay intact. And notice their decision not to try to go out and conquer and spread. Actually, did they look like one of the more consistent ones throughout history? Right over the timeline. Then we see, like, the Greeks and the Egyptians and the Babylonians. Right. And the Assyrians. Lots of people were like, you know what? We want to dominate. So it's a rep representation of how much they tried to spread and how much power and wealth they owned at that given time period compared to the others. Yeah.
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Busy
So in a way.
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Jessie
So for example, at this time, looking right here, right, The Babylonians would have been the largest empire. Right. With the Assyrians being the next largest and then the Hindus being relatively same size to the Assyrian empire, just in terms of, again, like, power and wealth is the main metric they're using. But you can also see how there are certain times where clearly. Let's look right here. Do we think there was a battle somehow? Right there you can actually see right. Where something's compressed and then all of a sudden it gets big, something happened that made them gain a lot of power and grow right there. I like to look at this because nothing except potentially the way China tried to do it. Right. The Chinese kind of just keep to ourselves.
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Busy
Keep to ourselves.
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Jessie
Yes, of course, many groups in power tried to spread to some varying extent, but most of us like that are kind of history geeks. We know that Genghis Khan obviously tried to go out and conquer. He actually is not part of the Chinese Empire, so that would be in a different group. So if we look here, the Chinese Empire, I think still to this day, is considered the longest. Both China and Japan are two of the longest running, consistent, untouched cultures in the world. This was very intentional. They have been in control of their own system from the beginning, I will say. And they don't really let a lot of outsiders come in and try to mess with their system. They've got their system, they know their people. Arguably, they know how to control their people within the system. Agree. When we see these power changes over time, we actually get a pretty good bird's eye view of how chaos is instigated and the systems are created that in many cases make people give up their power so that the system can grow. So that's really what we're seeing here is that there's some sort of chaos instigated, usually via some sort of battle or a coup or something that they're trying to conquer. And then power gets redistributed based on however they decide the new system is going to work. So what are some tools that we think are utilized to make this power change hands and make these systems get created? Let's look over time. Language for sure is a big one. I would say priming in general is massive. And you prime with language, you prime with visuals, you prime even with, for example, in like, Greek times, you could prime people with plays, right? So in, like, Greek and Roman times, whatever plays were being shown to the people would help them. Like, it would plant the seed. And then they're like, oh, right. So really that distills down to, you can prime with art. So in Break Live last time, when we went through anxiety, OCD and intrusive thoughts and we talked about how really, art itself is a attempt to normalize your internal unhealed darkness. So we end up being like, oh, I'm really attracted to that art piece. And it's like, oh, really, Healy? Of course you are, because it exemplifies all of your unhealed parts.
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Busy
If you.
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Jessie
I mean, I could do a whole 10 part series dissecting artists by their source belief pattern as evidenced through their artwork. So whole separate piece of this. So take note, any art history buffs would probably enjoy going down that road again. Art, language, anything that is a consumable for us. So obviously now that's social media, but obviously we're talking about things where social media didn't exist. So we're really talking about art, language, dissemination of news, religion, any sort of written documentation that gets passed on through religion. Yes, propaganda. Exactly. So priming is a form of human memory. And I put memory in italics because it's an interesting word choice. A form of human memory concerned with perceptual identification of words and objects. So the easiest example of this is a person who sees the word yellow will be slightly faster to recognize the word banana if next slide is changed. So statistical priming, I think is the easiest for us to wrap our heads around. This is a Huffington Post article. Are women worse at math? It's time to stop asking. In a study where students both male and female and yes, I know it's taboo to use the words male and female now, but we're going to use them in a classroom where you have to select your gender before taking a test. If women are told the statistic that they are XYZ worse at math than men in the test group that had to select their gender first, they underperformed to the exact same statistic they were just primed with. In all the females that didn't have to mark the box that just took the test, they didn't fall victim to the statistic. The reality is that if somebody implants a thought, they potentially bump up against a belief that might not actually be true for you, but then your brain is kind of processing it in the background. You're like, I don't know, am I worse at math? And then, because now you're thinking, I don't know, am I worse at math? Do you think you're going to feel super confident answering a question that you once would never have questioned? No. All of a sudden you're questioning yourself and then boom, you've literally just fallen victim to the priming statistic that was shown to you right before you took the test. So this happens all over the news, it happens all over art. And I'll give you an example because I know some people at least appear to be like, art. I don't know. You want to know who used art to their advantage? Hitler. You want to know who used art to their advantage? Stalin even. Look at The US Army. The US army has used artwork to their advantage. Any organization uses art as one of their tools to onboard people and get them in the mindset. A lot of Hitler's tactics had to do with changing the mindset through changing the culture and the art. Believe me when I tell you it's not like I'm trying to cancel art and say all art is propaganda, but most propaganda is art. Try to wrap your brain around that one. Not all propaganda is art, but almost all propaganda was done in the form of artwork.
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Izzy
Yes.
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Jessie
Yes it does. Yes, it does. Jim, let's drop some truth bombs, which.
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Busy
Let's go into this for a second.
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Jessie
Does anyone find it odd that they're readily able to advertise their drugs on tv? That's weird, right? It's very odd. It doesn't actually make like.
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Audience Member 1
I don't.
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Jessie
Has anyone ever heard a solid argument to justify why that should be allowed? No. And do we have any idea why it hasn't stopped yet? Right. It's for brand recognition. And then of course, no one waits
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Busy
till the end where it's like the
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Jessie
super fast talking, like auto auctioneer voice. They're like, side effects may include art, seizure, death, all the things. And they're just like, whatever. I'm going to click off the channel. So I think it's clear that things are stacked against us, but things are stacked against us in a way that can be subtle. Which I think is the point I'm really trying to get across to you. It's not overtly someone's knocking on your door and trying to like sell you the new system. Often we're not even recognizing all the subtle ways we're getting primed until all of a sudden they're trying to slip something into our kids curriculum and you're like, what are you trying to do? That's basically been the last two to three years. Certain things are trying to be slipped into kids curriculum that are point blank horrifying. Anytime I've ever seen someone actually try to engage in a rational critical discourse about this, they usually just get shut down with virtual virtue signaling. There's really nothing I've ever seen productive come from it. So if you want to dig into that a little bit more, I do go into it. On the sex, fantasy and media priming lecture from Last Break Live. When you get little things normalized, let's use the example of like a Pixar movie that comes out and you're like, that's a little weird, but whatever, it's Pixar and then all of a sudden you notice your kids are talking about something with other kids and you're. Where would you learn that? And they're like, oh, I learned in this movie. And you're like, what? Apparently I need to double check the movies I'm letting my seven year old watch. We're now at kind of this phase. And believe me, like, I'm not a puritan by any stretch of the imagination. Okay. Let my daughter watch forgetting Sarah Marshall. Still to this day. She'll go like this. If you've ever. No. I got something here for you. No. Okay. Apparently a lot of you need to go watch that movie. I've clearly digressed. Let me bring it back. I'm not a puritan, clearly. It's not like I'm sitting here like, let's go go footloose and like ban dancing and ban movies.
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Busy
Okay.
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Jessie
I just want to make that look super, super clear. We're not trying to like institute a footloose situation. I'm in fact a big fan of let everything be available. Obviously not the terrible, dark, intrusive things that we're talking about, but like free speech. Yeah. But also, let's be really mindful of making sure that we maintain parental choice over what our children are exploring, exposed to and not exposed to. And it seems like more and more we're losing that ability. So to Dr. Rashia's point where she put on that timeline, like, there's certain moments when different industries, like, get involved in a structure and like suddenly you lose autonomy and now it becomes something that's much more organized. I think we've seen that with learning disabilities in the public school system. We talked about that in last year's Break Live that once you come up with all these labels, then you come up with funding for these programs. There's an incentive to keep labeling more people, to put them back into the system. So when we look at things like this kind of priming system, we're now in a situation where it's like you can't just assume that because it looks like it's for a kid, that it's for your kid. Like we've lost that place in the world. You have to really dig in and do the research and decide if you want your child primed with that. Because when we already know it's a step sequence, they prime them there. Then they get one piece of it at school when you're not watching, then one other kid's reading a book. Cause they have a little bit more lax parent. And next Thing you know, you've got a very precarious situation on your hand. So when we look at trying to build new systems, one of the main things that we need to look at is our own priming.
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Jessie
What have we been primed with? And I'm going to go one step further. What have we been primed with in the experience of trauma that we've just gone through the last two years? I don't really care who you are, you perceived some trauma around that something changed. Your business lost money. You had to change the way your business was operating. You had to move, right? Your kids couldn't go to school. All of a sudden you had to figure out how work with your kids home, right? Somebody experienced something. We need to try to look at how those pain points actually primed us to reach for a solution that we might not actually need. If you were to actually just kind of rewind and pretend that none of that stuff happened, Would you still be thinking or accepting some of the things that are being pitched to you right now? Like, some of them wouldn't make any sense. If the last two years didn't happen, A lot of the things that are on the table just wouldn't make sense. Right. When we are looking to create something brand new, we've got to make sure that what we're trying to create isn't manufactured. Whatever we're trying to create, it isn't like just because XYZ just happened. If we're looking to create something, sure, let's go use the Medical Access medical system as an example. We can all acknowledge that there are parts of the medical system that are indoctrinating and are broken. If we were to just focus on what aspects are broken of them right now and only try to create a new system to fix those parts, would we miss a lot of the way the whole thing needs to be reimagined? Right. If we're just focused on the pain right now, we would actually be hiding a bunch of solutions to solve the whole thing and actually start with a different foundation. But what often happens is we're so focused on these pain points that we try to solve from the pain rather than pull back and solve globally. We want to make sure, just like how we're looking back and reflecting, we're actually looking, okay, was there maybe a way that the medical system was actually founded on something? Bullshit, right? If we're thousands of years down the line and we're trying to deal with these problems right now and rebuild from those, wouldn't we be better served by looking at how the system as a whole was created and starting with a new foundation? So to do that, we've got to make sure that we're stepping back and squinting and seeing, is the problem really a problem, or is it something that was potentially manufactured to make you think you've got to solve something that doesn't need to be solved or scrapped altogether, and you're actually focused on trying to solve a problem that isn't really real. What we end up seeing when this happens is that we see a pendulum swing. So I think it's important for us to remember that over history we've gotten our. And I think I'll go back to the footloose example. Has everyone seen Footloose? Like, please God, tell me you've seen Footloose. Okay, right? So Kevin Bacon's the badass that's like, wait, you guys aren't allowed to listen to music, right? He moves into this town that's they're so Christian that they won't listen to music. And the girl that he's in love with, the dad's the preacher, whatever. You can watch the rest of the movie. But the point here is we've gotten ourselves into situations over time where things will swing so far to the conservative side where everything is outlawed, that then the seemingly, you know, reachable solution is, oh, let's just let everything be available. Right? So we go from overly conservative and puritanical to, well, obviously the exact opposite is what we need. Right? Well, the more. The more we are oppressed, the more we just make these things kind of like explode out in the darkness. So let's just embrace the darkness. I feel like this is like a great example of the last five years. If I hear one more time I embrace my shadow, I might actually hurt somebody in the conscious spiritual community and be like, I embrace my shadow. I think I used the example at Break Live last year. That's like being like, you know, cue serial killer voice. I let my shadow come out to play sometimes.
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Busy
Do we want to live in a
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Jessie
society where we let our shadow come out and play sometimes? Well, I'll do you one better. We're about to live in a society that actually wants us all to live in our shadow. It's actually happening right now, and they're actually starting on it with your kids. They're finding all the little cracks where instead of shining a light, they're literally just blasting it with darkness. Like, ooh, how can we really just open that wound even deeper? I mean, this is silly, you guys. Can you even. From our very vanilla generation, was there ever a Disney movie that didn't involve some sort of death of a primary caregiver even that? You're like, oh, like, I still remember when Bambi's mom died. It was a very traumatizing moment in my childhood. If I could go back and undo it, along with watching Top Gun with my dad at age 3, I would undo it.
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Busy
I just watched it again with my husband a couple weeks ago and was
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Jessie
like, holy shit, Batman. No wonder this was so uncomfortable. The amount of looks that Tom Cruise gives that are like, I want to F you. I was like, I don't.
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Busy
I cannot.
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Jessie
Of course. I was so uncomfortable. I was watching this with my dad at three. I digress. When we look at what is happening right now, it's no longer just. We're just trying to correct a little. We're in a full blown Pendulum swing. And what's happening in the pendulum swing is they're trying to get you to turn against all things like God, conservative, even family in general. If you look at all the articles that are coming out, they're trying to make you think that it's somehow backward to desire to have a family. Literally backwards. Those people are so old school like wanting to have kids. I have students of mine from previous work, some who I know deep down there's some sense of humanity in there. Maybe some of their posting over the last year watched it progressively get worse. Our system is built where it's the more you lean into this, the more popular you get, especially on social media. Two people in particular. Every single time they post something that's like them drinking or them like out with their husband at a club. And by the way, these people are late 40s. Everything's like hashtag child free. Hashtag hashtag climate change is real. I'm not kidding. In their twisted world, they think you
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Busy
having kids is the worst thing you
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Jessie
could possibly do for the climate. If you are one of those people, I'm sorry, not trying to be an asshole, really. I mean hopefully that person isn't in here, but I'm sure there are plenty of other terrible things that you can do for the climate. But deciding to procreate is in my opinion, not really up at the top there. But it shows you the pendulum swing, right where. These two people for example, were totally of their right mind until they started realizing that their social media accounts would grow by plastering these pictures of them day drinking with all their queer gal pals and everything was like hashtag childfree. This person is straight as an arrow. But all of their posts are about being queer and like with their queer fam, even though they're not queer, they're married to a man, but it actually raises their social media following. This is when we know we're in a full blown pendulum swing. If people that actually are one way are having project something else on social media so they win at business, we know that we've really gone to the other side. And I'm not criticizing any of these lifestyles in particular, I'm just saying it's evidence that we have gone from one side to the other. So we are not well served by rapid firing over to the wrong side. What does eventually tend to happen is that once we've gone batshit crazy, eventually people start to be like that wasn't good and we recalibrate back to the the center. It's my opinion that where we are right now, we actually don't have time to like gently recalibrate. It's a different level of pendulum swing than we've had before. And because the push right now to create a new system is so intensified, we really don't have the time or the capacity to just, you know, hope that things go back to normal. We're just not in that sort of experience right now. We've got to be a lot more intentional about it. So in general, deviance means that you're turning against what is considered like a standard moral of your group. Right. Something that we've all implicitly or explicitly decided is socially acceptable. So a great example that I used yesterday was Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks was like, this is a terrible way of doing things. I am not going to subscribe to this anymore. She was deviant in her society at that time.
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Audience Member 2
Time.
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Jessie
And was her behavior ultimately a great thing in this country? Absolutely. So some deviance is great. In fact, I would argue a lot of deviance is great. In fact, one step beyond that, many of you are socially deviant by being here, by even being open to thinking about some of these things. Because what is currently deviant is away from this kind of darker, you know, integrating the shadow side that we're talking about. If you're kind of into the like, well, maybe we can actually heal and not be carrying around our wounded darkness and teaching it to our kids so we can all feel better about it. Once you start to move past that, you're actually becoming more deviant in 2022. So normalization of deviance tends to be a spiral, something a little bit more gentle. It's not a pendulum swing. Little by little, there's like tiny shift. Tiny shift. It happens in pivots. But what we've experienced over the last five years, even to Dr. Rashia's presentation, you can see where all of a sudden it was just like, there's just a massive shift. That's when you know it's not naturally occurring. That's when it's not just human choice, just slightly shifting. Slightly shifting. It's being manufactured. So when we look at how we rebuild, the number one thing we have to do is take a look at what the dangling carrot is and ask, is that dangling carrot actually attached to something that's been the plan the whole time? Time. And is that something that I'm willing to subscribe to? So her question was, how do you navigate within a system that you know is either corrupt or not well intentioned? If you have to Go into the system for a certain thing. Right? So she use the example of, I don't even take Tylenol. But of course, there might be a situation in which you actually have to go to the hospital. I found myself in the same position. I also wouldn't take Tylenol unless I was in, like, severe, severe pain. But there have been times that I've had to go to the hospital. One would be, for example, and my husband will laugh about this. Our son river, got really sick at 2 weeks old, and both of us really didn't want to take him to the hospital. And there was a lot of fear in the town, specifically about our hospital. And in that moment, I had to think to myself, okay, the hospital's not the place that I want to be. But I asked myself, do I genuinely believe my son is in a dire situation? The answer was yes. And I was like, okay, are other people around me trying to make me feel fear about a hospital that I've not been to? And I've not personally had that experience? That's true. I've heard bad things, but I've never personally been there. So I'm going to have to kind of balance what I've got here, and I'm gonna have to take a step and trust that I have the ability to hold my ground. And this is where I think this gets really important. A lot of communities that don't believe they have any power, that don't hold a lot of the wealth, that actually have been systemically oppressed, they're the ones that are the most compliant with the medical system because they don't realize that they have the ability to say no or to ask for a second opinion or to form a question. Do you find that to be accurate, Dr. Ra. Right. They have no idea when I'm going through my list of checkpoints, do I? This is a question to myself. Do I have the ability to hold my own and go toe to toe with a doctor and make sure that they follow exactly what it is that I'm requesting? Otherwise, am I willing to leave the situation and potentially face some sort of sanction for it? Yes. I went through that checkpoint. We talked about it in the car. Baby's in the car. It was super stressful. I was praying in the car the whole time we got to the hospital. Everyone was actually, except the triage nurse. She wasn't the best, but the doctor was super kind. We had what I would imagine to be one of the better experiences you can have in hospital. Now, that doesn't mean that every step of the way, all of the lower level people, a triage nurse or basically, I'll say everyone beside the doctor, they were just basically reading off a script. And sure, they didn't have a script in front of them, but it was like, we need to do this and this and this. And actually sat there and was like, do we have to do that or is that your suggestion? Right, we want to decline that. We declined a lot of things for our son. And was there a little bit of pushback? Yeah, for sure. You could tell that they wanted us to comply with certain things.
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Busy
And Gordon, thankfully, the hardest thing is
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Jessie
when you're in there with somebody that's not on the same side as you, when you're there with a partner that's very much got your back. I felt very confident that whether it was him having to push or me having to push, no doctor was going to do anything to our child that we both didn't completely agree with. Now, one of the things that's really important to remember is that because we know we've kind of pendulum swung even further, unfortunately for a lot of us, we're in a situation where because the system realizes that more people are waking up and pushing against it, they've had to increase the punishment. So before, let's use the same example of Gordon and I there with our son, we maybe had to deal with a little bit of eye rolling. And maybe they went in the back and they're like, oh, my God, these hippie, dippy, conservative parents, like, what up? I can't believe they think xyz. I'll take that all day long. I don't care. You can roll your eyes, you can make fun of me. I'm good with that. What I'm not good with is this move that we've made toward people calling CPS on you, which is happening. There's a baby in our state that this has happened to in Coeur d'. Alene. It's a really heartbreaking situation where parents that are really just trying to advocate for their children, the medical system is actually looking for any weakness they can exploit in the pair in the parent and basically just medically kidnap. So this becomes a little bit easier. Let's say if you're going to the hospital for yourself, it's decently easy to advocate for yourself so long as you're not in a situation. I'm going to talk about the dreaded C word. Let's say you were to go into the hospital with the dreaded C word, not Cancer, by the way, the other one ends with an ovid. I love.
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Busy
You know what, you guys are so
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Jessie
on the right side of history that you're like, co. What is Covid? Is that a thing? What is Covid? So let's use the example of COVID which if you go into the hospital and you actually are really sick and you're not able to advocate for yourself with a very specific protocol, you'll probably die. Yeah, no, I mean, I've. It's actually now happened to people that we know. And if you do go in, let's say, and you do have an advocate and you do have somebody that has an exact protocol that's willing to sit there and like harass the doctor staff, involve a lawyer, you're gonna live. That's basically the world we live in right now. So it all goes back to advocacy. Remembering that there is even in the spectrum of like medical advocacy using break language, there's a way to green cone a doctor and there's a way to red cone a doctor. And I firmly believe there is a way to red cone a doctor into calling CPS or there's a way to green cone a doctor into not calling cps. And that is not a rule. Okay? Someone could just be a real social justice warrior and have it out for you and what they perceive your lifestyle to be in call CPS anyways. Okay. I'm not going to lie and say that's not a possibility. But I think there's a way to engage in self advocate advocacy around medicine that is not disrespectful or like poking the bear at the doctor, and there's a way that they actually can't refute where it's like, this person isn't presenting like a crazy person. They're not getting aggressive. Right. As soon as you start getting aggressive in a place where it looks like you're starting to posture with physicality or your face is getting bright red, I'll say for a sec, if I try to talk about climate change with my sister, that sort of posturing and redness in the face is what will likely push somebody to be like, this person's unstable because they see that little flick and they're like, I bet I can make this person look real unstable. Right? Because they already see that it exists within you. So learning how to language, your advocacy is incredibly important.
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Busy
Important.
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Jessie
This is where I go back to that lecture that I did. It's called 2020, the WTF year, where we talk about how to understand what the line is between you and that person and how to properly language so that it's not like I'm over here and you're over there mocking where they are or making them feel somehow ashamed for where they are, because that's automatically to put you at odds with each other. So in terms of medical advocacy, you have to kind of assess where that person's at, hold a firm sovereign boundary, but also just. I respectfully decline. I respectfully decline. Right. There's no way to be. Like, I said, no, that's very different than, I respectfully decline. I respectfully decline. They're like, well. And I'm like, I. I'll give you another example. When I. The one times I did have to go to urgent care, he had his finger, like, totally crushed, and it was bleeding. It got crushed in a door. And the lady was like, has he had a tetanus shot? And I was like, no. And she's like, is he up to date on all the shots? And I was like, no. She's like, like, none of them. And I was like, no, we don't do that. And she's like, like, not at all. And I was like, no, we don't do that. And she's like, well, might I. And I was like, no, it's okay. I respectfully decline. I'm. I'm well educated on the topic, and I appreciate your opinion. I respectfully declined.
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Busy
She tried one more time, and I
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Jessie
said, ma', am, respectfully, let's treat my son's wound. Can we focus on that? And she was like, okay, for sure. She wouldn't talk about me in the back room, but did I navigate out of that in a way where it was still kind and compassionate and acknowledge. I understand that you feel that you're trying to help me, but also, this is where I'm at. And everything was fine. But I bet with that same woman, there would have been another way to really piss her off in a way where she would have, like, wanted to take it out on you in a way that might call. Might involve calling cps. Okay? So when we look at how we operate in a system that we don't agree with or don't want to comply with, but we find ourselves in the space where we actually are in need of acute medical care, for example, you have to know why you're there, what your goals are. Do I want to get in and get out and get stitches and not have to deal with anything else. You have to know what the game plan is. You have to know what your boundaries are. And you have to be really rooted in Green cone language, medical, self advocacy. And for God's sake, if you're going in with COVID or something that might be perceived as Covid, you have to have somebody that has power of attorney for you that is willing to be an incredibly loud but Green cone advocate for you. Otherwise, it's not going to potentially go well for you. So the simplest terms to look at this is we can operate within a system so long as we know what the system is without becoming a part of it. If you know that it's there and you know how it's set up, think of it like a game level. How many times I definitely played Mario Brothers before. Every time you go to that level, you know what to expect. To some extent, some little changes can happen, but like, not at least back in the day, there weren't too many changes. You knew when the mushroom was gonna come. You can understand the system and know how to operate in the system without letting the system become part of you. And the reason I think we're in this situation where they're having to escalate the punishment is because too many people have realized that they actually don't have to comply with the system. So unfortunately, we're in a situation where a lot of the things that I think would have and could have worked 100% of the time before, I think we might not be in that time anymore. And I don't know what to tell you about that other than you have to be connected to something bigger than yourself and potentially take the risk if it's something you really believe in, which is why actually it has to come back to, why am I doing this? What's my purpose? What do I believe? Because we are potentially putting ourselves in harm's way if we're really choosing to live a lifestyle that is opposite of the system. So getting really clear on why you're choosing to do it is incredibly important. So when we look at rebuilding, we have to always be thinking micro macro. There are certain things that we have to prioritize internally. There are things that we have to prioritize in our family, There are things we have to prioritize. Hey, maybe even the local government level. It's up to you where you're drawn to engage, and that's going to be different for everybody. But these are basically the steps. Okay, so the five steps to build a new system is, number one, assess the current state of mind you're trying to perceive the problem from. This is the most important thing. And I Think Albert Einstein's quote, a problem cannot be solved in the same state of consciousness as it was created is really why this has to be. Number one. If you are currently operating in the wounded mindset, you're not going to be able to see a solution that doesn't have some sort of attachment to the wounded mindset. This is kind of tied to looking at the ACB pathway and saying, where am I? If I'm on my golden arches, where am I in that system right now? And how would that influence the way I'm looking at the problem? Because if you can figure out how it would influence it, then you can remove it and start to see objectively again. That's part of the magic of break. Number two, use Eli questions to acknowledge priming, indoctrination and blocking any limitations of new solutions. And in many cases, this is unfortunate, but we've heard Both Kira and Dr. Rashia bring it up. Sometimes when you have put all of your heart and soul and money into educating yourself into a system, there comes a time where you realize there was another way to do this. Or I actually have to unwind certain things to see clearly. Where you have to actually remove to see rather than add on to see. So many of us are in a situation of removing to see clearly rather than I need to go research more. This is not usually a situation where you need to add on more information. It's stripping away and getting back to your ability to perceive truth. Number three, think about the input, output relationship of the system that you're trying to build. This is a key. Are you trying to borrow a system that exists in a separate sector and apply it to a new problem? Because our tendency as humans is like, that worked there, so it'll work here. Do we think that that's true? No. Right. Trying to borrow and move things from, oh, it worked here. So obviously it's going to work here. Oh, it worked in the medical system, so it'll work in education. That's not how it works. So we want to catch our brain basically trying to go back and say threshold jump. I don't really want to do all the work to solve this problem. So let's borrow a system that worked somewhere else and bring it over here, which is actually, by the way, I think a lot of what our society is. That system worked well enough, so let's replicate it from place to place to place. Are you trying to solve the problem using a framework from the past? Are you looking at the problem with past eyes? Number four, tap into God. That 3%, whatever that word is for you. The most efficient way to create, create a new system is to allow God to do it through you. We lean on systems of indoctrination to play a role in how we create the system. And when we do that, we accidentally recreate the past. The reason we are programmed to believe that history repeats itself is because we are in fact, primed with history and thus recreate the past. If we were to reorganize that whole system, we quite literally wouldn't do it anymore. We keep doing what we are primed to do at every turn.
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Busy
Number five.
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Jessie
Research and uncover the source or starting point of the problem itself. Make sure the problem is, in fact a problem requiring solution. Right? So the reality is that if we went back to two years ago, is the problem that we're all experiencing manufactured or real? And I'm not talking about the origins of the C word, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the problem right now that we're all perceiving. Was that manufactured to some degree or just real? Would it have happened naturally? It would not have happened naturally. So the reality is, if we take
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Busy
that whole loop and we just kind
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Jessie
of, like, remove it, we're all out here, like, trying to solve all of these legislation problems for things that actually wouldn't have naturally occurred, right? We're all in this mindset because of what we've just been through. So make sure that you are, in fact, trying to solve a problem that's really a problem. And sometimes that requires us to do less, turn in, do some reflection before we're out there, like on a rooftop, like, there's this injustice that needs to be solved. Right? Because those of us, right. Curious acknowledged her Justice Warrior, Justice Leaguer sort of reflex. Some of us have a hard time, like, not jumping on a bandwagon of injustice and wanting to, like, fight for the good side. Maybe go through this process and make sure you're fighting for the good side. Because inversion tactics can be real strong, right? They play on people's good hearts to trick them into believing that they're on the good side, only to realize that your goodness was used to rob everybody of freedom. It's happened in many a country before you. So any questions specifically on how to change or disrupt a system, either on the micro scale or macro scale? Yeah,
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Audience Member 3
I think we all agree every system is rotten, yes, to the core. But then expanding on what you just said about pushing against each of them, like, at the individual level, I don't Feel currently that I can push against, against all of them.
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Jessie
Right, true.
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Audience Member 3
But I, I know within my sphere of influence I. And there's this idea that if, if I can impact the people around me, that will have a ripple effect. I mean it sounds a little cheesy of like.
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Busy
No, no, I agree. I think that's absolutely the truth.
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Audience Member 3
But how do you lean on that to then push towards the coordinated effort?
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Busy
So it's a great, I mean it's a great question. I'll answer that. So let's go back and let's each think of ourselves in our individual like microcosm. Right. So like I love what you said. Like my own sphere of influence. Let's say the starting position is how am I operating with my beliefs? Where am I putting my money? Where am I putting my decisions? What systems am I paying into or feeding personally? Right. So that's like kind of one place that we can all start. Then when you start looking like, well, for example. And I would say the other side uses this tactic too to basically defund and try to destroy businesses that are kind of more freedom minded. Oh well, I'm not going to support your brand anymore. Really. Like we can all technically play that game if we want to. And if we want to be of the mindset that I don't want to be funding anybody that is essentially like part of these systems, we realize very quickly that our choices become very limited because the system is all around us. So for us to kind of go that next step if we're going to really be that like hardline in our approach. And Jess, can I use the Disney example? Because we were having this. Is that okay with you? Okay, so Jess and I were just having this conversation in the car the other day. I'm right and I'm not usually, I'm not like a bandwagon person. But the Disney one there was a deep guttural. And I think I'm just so protective of kids brains because I deal with so many broken adults that it just, it enraged me to a point that I could like barely get through the day and my kids actually watch. Like we have Disney. It's usually what is playing on Roku at my house. And in fact we've just realized that there's all the old school classics we've been on.
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Jessie
Old school, classic binge.
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Busy
So as this comes up, I'm sitting in the car with Jess and I was like, I don't know, I'm not usually this bandwagon person but I like feel like a complete Fraud that I'm still giving my money to Disney plus, I don't know, I have to do something about it. And you're like, I don't even know if I can stop going to the theme parks. I love Disney. And we, like, we're having this whole thing where we're like, oh my God, we're frauds. We're like paying into a system that we know is corrupt. That's kind of phase one, right? Where you have to like, you're aware that you're paying into something that's corrupt and then it's really up to you. Do I want to keep doing that knowing that it's wrong, or am I willing to be part of the system in that way because it's easier in that moment and I'm just willing for this one to brush my morals aside. A lot of us are going to have, it's like one example, but a lot of us are going to have these kind of multi part decisions to make as we move into the next few months, next few years, and you might decide to be real moral on some things, then on other things, you're like, oh, well, I really like that company, so I'm willing to make an exception, right? So I'm not saying that there's only one way to do things, but you'll certainly be faced with these decisions if you choose to walk on planet Earth this way, right? When you start to do those things in your sphere of influence, for example, your friends start to be like, oh, did you do this?
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Jessie
Did you do that?
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Busy
Right. It starts to ripple out that way. Jess organized a group that really like just blew up so fast called the North Idaho Freedom Mamas. And in that group, I mean, if one person like brings something up, like all those people are gonna start thinking about it. So many of us have different spheres of influence where if you bring up something that's like contentious or something that kind of pokes the system, many of us in our different spheres might have like 500 people that start poking, or maybe a thousand or maybe like 50,000. If we keep doing that and we keep actually choosing the behavior or where to put the money, in a place that actually puts pressure on like that. I just keep being shown like brick and mortar, like on the place where there's already a crack and we just have to keep doing that, eventually things will start to come down. But as for the how do we do it all at the same time? I think, and I'm going to talk around this without talking at it specifically, so I don't get canceled again. I think in the last five years there actually was an attempt at this coordination and it got corrupted. And then everyone that attempted to dissect it got made to be a crazy person because it actually got turned corrupted and hijacked. Okay, so how do you disseminate information and try to coordinate something when the whole system is controlled? It's a really hard thing to do. One would argue either God has to do it through kind of like speaking to all of his people and we all have to be listening. Kind of like get it in the, you know, proverbial earpiece at the same time, or you have to use a back channel. Right? There needs to be some sort of back channel. But how do you make it so that back channel doesn't get corrupted? I think that's kind of what thing I'm referring to here. Your brain isn't broken, it's running.
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Busy
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Jessie
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Busy
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Jessie
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Busy
The simplest answer is I know it's possible. I don't exactly know how or what back channel, but I've seen a future where it's already happened, so it has to be possible. I do believe that some people that are in that kind of umbrella system need to become good guys for that to happen. And I don't actually know that that's happened yet. And I think that's where, you know, we're talking about this moment of contrast. Hopefully whatever shred of morality or internal compass those people have, as the darkness gets higher and higher, they won't be able to pretend anymore, they won't be able to lie to themselves anymore. And hopefully that's when enough of those people actually back off or go to a different side to actually allow this to move forward. Because I think for us to do the whole thing, it does have to
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Jessie
be like a really
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Busy
unified effort. It needs to be overwhelming, right? Like in boxing, right. Needs to be a flurry. It can't just be like one punch. Like any one punch that we do isn't going to work. It's got to be a coordinate coordinated flurry that just happens in a way that is unexpected. Which again, going back to the back channel, like how in our world do you do something unexpected? It's hard. And believe me, When I say the systems that they're trying to implement right now will only make that more challenging if not impossible. When all information is connected and everything, and this is already partly happening, but when all information is observed and tracked on apps like how do you mobilize against the system? I mean, I know you guys have like seen sci fi movies where you're like, that's wild. Like you have no idea how dangerously close you are to those things right now. I know. I wish I didn't know life would be a lot more enjoyable and like carefree if I didn't know. So that's the simplified answer is I know it's possible. I'm not sure the details of it, but I do know that if we keep pulling, pushing on the micro level in our own lives will keep lighting that flame for other people to be like, okay, well they're doing it, I can do it. And eventually one of us has to
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Jessie
figure out a way to just the whole thing.
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Busy
I do firmly believe that there will be a new political affiliation that will rise up in the next year and
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Jessie
a half to two years.
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Busy
I think our, for example, our, you know, predominantly two party system doesn't work and it is basically all just the umbrella group. I don't actually think that it is that whole idea of like perceived choice. It's still perceived choice. It's not really either of what it's pitched as. So I do think that one of the biggest steps for us to institute
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Jessie
change would be to quite literally like
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Busy
build a political party that is completely unlike anything else that's ever been built.
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Izzy
Busy 2024, right?
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Busy
I mean, I have said that I was going to run for president before, but. Gordon's like, please no. Please no. Please no. Please no. Although we've had this conversation before. I was shown that a long time ago and I'm not. If that's what God wants me to
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Jessie
do, I'll do it.
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Busy
But fingers crossed. I would really love to not do that after everything we've been through. That just sounds terrible. But regardless, I do believe we need to rebuild how we as a people approach politics. I think there's those of us that are so jaded by it that we're like, oh f politics. There's just a part of it. We're like, that whole system's bunk. I don't want to participate in it. Politics isn't necessarily something that you can
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Jessie
kind of pick and choose at this moment, I believe. Right?
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Busy
I mean, you can do whatever you want. I'm not telling you what to do. But when people are like, I'm just not that into politics. Oh, so you're just not into, like your future at all? No care about your future whatsoever. You'd rather honestly not know anything and not be involved and just kind of let whoever just determine your entire future existence, your kid's future existence. Because that's basically what you're saying when you're like, I'm not that into politics. You cannot be into politics all day long. And what you're going to do is the same thing that you're going to do if you're not willing to understand what's happening technologically right now, One day it will just happen to you and you won't be able to do anything about it. Well, did you have another question or comment?
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Jessie
Oh, yeah.
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Audience Member 2
My grad degree was very. It was like false light of academia and environmentalism and a lot of things
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Izzy
that I've kind of come look at you.
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Busy
You really made it. I mean, that's. That's a miracle.
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Jessie
It really.
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Audience Member 2
It truly is. But one of the things I've realized is that that's totally prime for us to not be involved in politics.
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Izzy
Oh, yeah.
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Audience Member 2
400 made us powerless. And the same thing with capitalism. I mean, I took out a lot of loans to get to a place to learn about how capitalism was bad. And now, like, waking up a couple
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Izzy
years ago, it's like, oh, people are
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Audience Member 2
getting real capitalistic real quick because those are just chains put on.
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Busy
But yeah, I mean, you're so. You're being primed by people that believe in capitalism to not believe in capitalism so that you keep taking free money, filling the coffers of the pockets of
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Jessie
the people that actually are capitalists.
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Busy
Like, that's how all this stuff actually works. So welcome back. It was a wild ride, I'm sure. And I go back to again, this is why the system finds these pain points where somebody genuinely wants to help people. They genuinely want to heal the earth. So it's like, ooh, I know exactly how to take your wound and use it to manipulate you into thinking that you're doing good. Because you'll miss all the things that are happening on the periphery. So I did a podcast interview once with somebody that ended up started getting threats on his life. So I couldn't ever actually put it public, which is a huge bummer. Cause it was four and a half hours. If you know me personally, I'll show it to you, but I can't put
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Jessie
it up on the Internet.
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Busy
This person was an insider in all of the environmental movement, you know, if there was a rally, he was there. He was camped out at Standing Rock the whole time. And it took him being in it for so long to one day be like, oh my God.
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Jessie
He saw what was happening.
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Busy
He saw how the corporations were actually funding and like moving these chess pieces around. And when he actually went to some of the leaders, they were like, oh, yeah, we get funding from them to
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Jessie
do this and this.
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Busy
And it's like, wait, you're here standing on this ground to protect your land or your people, but the same governments and industries that are here trying to do this are actually the ones funding you to stage this protest?
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Jessie
Protest.
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Busy
It gets that weird and recycled at that point. I'll give you another mind blow. The whole idea that we're trying to buy up, right, I'm gonna go buy up lands so that they can be under government preservation. Oh, we're gonna preserve. It's for the environment, right? We're trying to preserve all these lands. That's actually not. If you go look at the World Economic Forum, any of the things that they've openly declared, what they're actually doing is buying up the land so that no one can own land. They're telling you it's so that they can restore it or rewild it, but the entire process of rewilding is actually being done to not allow you to buy property anymore. So like 20, 30, like no one will own property and they'll be so much happier. That literally is a World Economic Forum, you know, main point that they actually want to bring about. So you'll own nothing and you'll be happy, right? You can rest easy knowing that you're doing the right thing because all the land is rewilding. You now live in this city unit with your, you know, your designated community, and you're going to be happy. Just take the injection. Yeah, take the injection to leave your door now. Thank you. So in the environmental community specifically, like, if you think about something like so many of us that are, you know, I love nature, when I hear rewilding, I want to be like, yeah, let's rewild the land. I triple dog dare you to go dig into what's actually sinister behind the door of rewilding. These sorts of inversion are happening in every single sector you can think of. And they're all tied to a very small number of organizations, okay? So just remember, if you, if your heartstrings are being pulled and you think you're doing so, something so like, wonderful and all trouble that might be a great moment to stop and go through all these steps and be like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Am I trying to solve a problem that isn't even real right now? Because if you just ask yourself that one simple question, the answer is usually going to be yes. Am I trying to solve a problem that the media has told me as a problem, but I'm not personally experiencing the problem and I'm out here now advocating for something that I've not experienced and might not even be real. If you go through that phase, I actually think in a variety of the things that you think you're like gung ho on trying to say support, you might not actually feel that way anymore. Marine conservation, I'm all for keeping the oceans clean, but you do realize that most of what you're putting your energy into and money into with marine conservation is actually to support. If you really dig into it, it's actually to make it easier for people to traffic humans in water quite literally. Like, you can go do the research, Kira can curse, she's been in human trafficking. This is a real thing when people try to say like, oh, you know, we want to clean the water, we want to make these zones of water that no one can cross into so that they. Again, let's use the rewilding term. We want to rewild the waters. Oh, do you? Or do you want open trafficking lanes that nobody can go in?
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Izzy
Same concept on the land. Right, Exactly. I think one of the, sorry, this, but you know, one of the things, you know, when you go through these questions too, I wish my answer was like, it wasn't a problem, but what happened was it was a problem. And then you learn how it's all interconnected.
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Busy
Right.
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Izzy
And that was. Thank God for break. When I went into that trafficking position. I worked for two years doing that and busy were there when I was like, I'm going to take this job because God told me to take the job. And then I was like, No idea that the connections, the awfulness that I'm not going to share with you because you don't want to know. And if you do, dig deep into that and wilding. But what I also want to say in a positive way and Josie gave this to me is I sat in here a couple of years ago and went through Eli, like right in this chair of like, should I do, should I do this? And I did it and I got up and I, I was like, I, I need to come in here, I need to like, talk to you. And also, can you Come to the prison because I follow. I've always followed God. I, I've been blessed with that early on in my life of like, there's a higher purpose, but also I use. I was a quick learner when it came to break method because I've been a therapist. So I was like in this chair. Like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do it. And Josie pointed that out to me the other night. She was like, I saw you do not. Like, you just came right in and was like, I belong here.
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Jessie
Right? Yep.
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Izzy
And it's. If you get into the mode where you can truly use these skills in every single moment, you will dismantle the system. We took down the entire criminal justice system in Vermont with a two day.
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Busy
It was a two day session. And the whole thing was like.
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Izzy
And if you don't, if you don't believe that that happened, just check our news. Like, it was all over. I was sending her pictures, like, and also it was awful. Like, I'm not going to lie. I called you crying. I called Adrian crying. I would have called you if you let me, but it was an awful thing. And also wonderful.
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Audience Member 2
Right.
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Izzy
So at the time that Izzy came in, this is just real clear. 167 women existed in the, in the prison system. There's now 82. Okay, 82. That's what, that's the power of using this and deciding I'm going to do something. And it was micro. It turned macro.
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Busy
And can you share? Because I know you've got good statistics on this how the, like a rough percentage of the women that were in the group that had previously been repeat offenders that didn't come back again after the workshop.
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Izzy
We have a staff for that yet things.
- [71:08]
Busy
So I don't, I don't remember but
- [71:10]
Izzy
exactly what the stat was. But before that. So I worked in the prison for eight years before busy came and then only two years after that time. So before that I saw the same women over and over and over again. And it was all of a sudden I didn't see. So there was 20. There was 32 participants who came to both days. And we broke it down statistically when I did the presentation of how. How many it was and it was almost. It was like 70 of the women who participated have not come back. And one of them was like the person asked her to miss her. Like, I know that's weird, y', all, but, you know, makes that shifts with these people. You formed them in just Gordon and
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Busy
I missed Gordon and I missed a lot of them. The next Day we weren't there anymore.
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Izzy
We're like, oh my God, I miss so and so. And there was also like just realness of breaking that system down. We did lose people, right? People died because they came forward with their voices and that. And sometimes that's a consequence that you spoke of just now, like you had this podcast and he couldn't. Right? Women did speak up and unfortunately they, they did end up dying. And that's another thing. But also there's 82 people incarcerated and there was 170 some when you guys came. So you can disrupt it on this very simple thing just by asking in this moment, right? Check it right now.
- [72:37]
Busy
And I think one point that you brought up that would be a whole
- [72:41]
Jessie
separate lecture that we're not going to do today.
- [72:43]
Busy
But when things are in the process of breakdown, like let's say we get to a point where we're like, yes, we broke down, right? The crumbling comes with its whole own set of problems, right? It's not like the crumbling is where we're like, woo. The crumbling is where all the other power groups that have been waiting in the wings to try and jump in and take over, they all been waiting for this moment. So there's layers and layers to this. This literally could be like a one year long series, which, fine, I'm committed to it, but breaking down the system isn't party time. That's where we get to work. So think about it this way. The moment where we all strategically press on the weak spots for the system to come down, that's like the threshold moment. And the other side is how do we actually mobilize to rebuild or build something new. That requires all of our skill set, everything we've just talked about. And I would argue it requires us to really hold a strong vision for what's possible and be thinking about that and playing around with it now before we even get there. Because we'll be screwed if we get there. We knock over the system, we're like, so does anyone, does anyone want to volunteer? Like, who's seen a movie where everything goes to shit and some guy is standing on top of a trash can, he's like, does anyone have any medical skills? Does anyone a lawyer? Does anyone want to be the mayor? Right? There's always that video where it's end times and they're trying to do we want to be those people or do we want to just already have a plan where we're just like, all right, everybody, places, places. We've been rehearsing this for 10 years, everybody. That's how I want it to be. I would like it to be such a clean cut transition because as clean cut I should say as it can be, as chaos can be so that we all are really prepared, like a well oiled machine to not let the other groups that have just been waiting in the wings for this video very moment to capitalize on vulnerability.
- [74:40]
Izzy
Yes.
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Jessie
Maybe.
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Audience Member 2
I don't know if you can answer this or not, but do you have a read on like percentage of people that are awake right now?
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Busy
I think we're pretty close to 50.
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Audience Member 2
A lot more.
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Busy
I think we're closer to 50 than we've ever been before.
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Jessie
If we look like at the whole world. Yeah.
- [75:01]
Busy
So for us to do what we need to do, I would say we need to probably be closer to like the 75 to 80 mark. We're not that close.
- [75:11]
Izzy
Keep going guys.
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Audience Member 3
And the secrets out too. Like yeah, they know we know.
- [75:17]
Busy
Right. Which kind of speed. It speeds things up a little bit.
- [75:20]
Jessie
Right.
- [75:20]
Busy
Like the intensity cranks up because now it's. Now we're running a sprint. It's not like a quiet marathon where we're all in it for the long haul.
- [75:28]
Izzy
The gas is on the fire.
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Busy
Yeah, the gas is on the fire. The pressure is on. We're on the threshold. All the, all the words that we've
- [75:36]
Jessie
used this weekend, we're there.
- [75:37]
Busy
We're on the threshold right now.
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Audience Member 2
What about timing? Like as far as this high contrast situation that we're in, it seems like the hits are going to keep on coming.
- [75:50]
Izzy
Right.
- [75:50]
Audience Member 2
But do you have a read on timing of the side?
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Busy
Here's what I'm being led to say. So. So just like in our emotional addiction cycle, as soon as we feel like kind of relaxed, we're like, oh, things are great. That's usually when this message will pop up. Be mindful of any time it feels like the system is giving you a break. Not trying to be an a hole, but the fact that suddenly now we just don't have masks, I mean that's great. I'm full support of that. But typically those little reprieves are meant to kind of get us off of our A game and kick into pina colada mode. Apparently there wasn't a nya on my pina colada pina. Right. They don't want us. They want us to kind of get kind of relaxed off our aame sip in a P with our mask off.
- [76:50]
Jessie
So.
- [76:51]
Busy
And sucked back into the system. Right. Like, oh, guys, we can go back to the system. Now it's all over. It's a wrap.
- [76:56]
Jessie
It's a wrap.
- [76:58]
Busy
So far. Have there been some of those start stop moments over the last two years? Right? Have you gotten pulled into that a couple times early on? Then you're like, woo, I'm not falling for that again. Next thing you know you're falling for it and you're like, oh my God, again I fell for this. I drank the Kool Aid again. I mean, think about. Gordon owns a business in Canada. There have been many. So, so I've never seen anything like it. The start stop, start stop in Canada with restrictions and numbers and this and that and Covid vaccination cards. I mean, every week was something different. It was in many ways way more chaotic than the US and trying to manage a business with all of this up and down with government restriction was just, I mean, it was insane. So every single time we'd be like, oh thank God. We'd be like, oh no. It would literally like come back double anytime. He'd be like, we might. No we're not.
- [77:48]
Jessie
No, we're not at all.
- [77:50]
Busy
So my loving request is I'm not saying be hyper vigilant all the time and like don't live your life because you're always just like, that's not at all what I'm advocating for here. That's why our entire break talk two years ago was where's the line between panic and preparedness? I'm saying don't be panicked and hypervigilant. Be aware and prepared. That's all. This isn't let your whole life go to shit because it's all over. No one is saying that to you. Just to be clear. I'm not saying that. I don't believe that for a second. I really think if we move into the next few years very intentionally with preparedness and awareness rather than that hypervigilant protection, I think we can make a lot of change. I think we'll know a lot more six months from now. I think we are in a very
- [78:42]
Jessie
precarious six months is what I will say.
- [78:44]
Busy
It's real hot. It's going to be a wild six months. I would say at the end of. And this is like me speaking more prophetically right now. I would say at the outside of six months we'll be able to tell a lot about the future from that point. I think right now there's a lot of unsettled things. So check back with me in six months. We might need to have another break. Yes.
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Audience Member 1
My question kind of like piggybacks off of that. And this is probably just one of those things that's like a personal choice connection to God, tuning into what your individual story is. But one of the main things that I've been struggling with is witnessing everything that's happening, trying to gauge again the timeline and like how far it's all going to go for the systems to collapse and rebuild and therefore effectively allocate my time, energy, awareness towards either just like self preservation, like preserving my family and extracting ourselves out of the system as much as possible. Like, meaning like food, water, like how do we survive and balancing that with my integration, like filtering into the system and offering my gifts to the world and knowing like even build, working on, building my business and feel things like that.
- [80:20]
Jessie
That's a great question. Yeah.
- [80:21]
Audience Member 1
Like where do you find that balance and, and how are you navigating?
- [80:26]
Busy
I think I've shifted my perspective on this a lot over the last two years and I think it's had like different iterations, but I feel fairly secure in my approach to it right now. So I think it's important to have an awareness that like, could we get ourselves into a situation where we could have a problem with our food supply chain and water? Yeah, like, are we having that problem right now? It's essentially all the warning signs are there. So is it a bad idea to have a backup food supply?
- [80:57]
Jessie
Of course it's not a bad idea.
- [80:58]
Busy
It's honestly never a bad idea. Like whether this is happening or not, is it important to have a supply of water?
- [81:04]
Jessie
Of course.
- [81:06]
Busy
I firmly believe that where we are right now, there are going to be certain areas where maybe it turns to being like, where way more of like a survival situation. But I actually think most of us are being asked to operate in the system, but not of the system. I think it's, we're actually being asked to, like I keep hearing, like, occupy the land, right? Like, don't remove, don't actually run into the hills and hide from the land. Like plant your feet in the ground and like stand your ground in the system. So instead of running away and retreating, I actually think that many of us, not all right, it's all personal choice, are being asked to be aware of what's going on and stay and operate within the system, to be that light in that space despite what's happening. So sure, I moved to North Idaho because we didn't want to be in a major city in case things got wild. Because even like during parts of the early part of 2020, like things here, it's hard to believe because you're looking out at these, you know, beautiful, you know, seemingly fancy, schmancy suburban areas. But there were some times here where we actually were like, we were afraid. Gordon had his guns out in Old Town, there were just riots everywhere. All the buildings were like, smashed up. Riots happened here, which this is about as suburban as it gets. So it was a wake up call to us in that moment, like, oh, shit. Like, this can actually happen here. And it happens here seemingly overnight. It went from everything was normal to, holy shit, our streets are actually on fire. People were like, so unaware that this could happen that there's footage of people out at fancy restaurants in Old Town with gangs running through, throwing Molotov cocktails in nice restaurants and stuff. It's not like the people here were protesting. They were coming in from outside to make this feel destabilized. I highly doubt many of them even are from this area. So when you get yourself into a situation where all of a sudden it's like a wake up call, like, I live in this suburban paradise and then all of a sudden your streets are on fire overnight. And I do realize that some people live in that sort of turmoil all the time. I'm not like, minimizing it, but for us, it was just that decision, where do we want to do this? Like, no, we don't. Because this is a drop in the bucket compared to what could happen. And we made the choice to move to a place that we felt more comfortable raising our family. But we're still mindful of not retreating and just pulling out and like, trying to remove ourselves from the world. Because I firmly believe that we both feel called to be a light in the world and to help people rather than just to run away and hide. And I'm not saying one is more noble than the other, but there's certainly one that has a larger ripple effect, and that would be knowing that you're operating in a system, but knowing how to operate in it without letting it become you.