Defenders 3: Doctrine of Man (Part 6): The Nature of Man – Biblical Data

Summary

Defenders Podcast: Doctrine of Man (Part 6) – The Nature of Man: Biblical Data

Host: Dr. William Lane Craig
Date: February 19, 2020
Episode Theme: A biblical and theological survey of terms for the nature of man, with a focus on the body ("soma") and its implications for anthropology, materialism, and resurrection.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dr. Craig explores the biblical data concerning the nature of man. He examines the primary anthropological terms in both Old and New Testament contexts, critiques materialist and existentialist interpretations (especially regarding Paul's use of "soma" for "body"), and discusses what it means to be human from a biblical standpoint. Through direct biblical exposition and engaging Q&A, Craig clarifies classical Christian anthropology in light of modern theological trends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Old Testament Anthropological Terms

• Nephesh ("soul"), ruach ("spirit"), and bashar ("flesh") are principal Hebrew terms for aspects of human nature (00:17).
• OT terms are fluid: "These anthropological terms in the Old Testament do not serve to draw hard and fast distinctions between different aspects of man." (00:32)
• Example: Nephesh can even refer to a dead body (Leviticus 21:11; Numbers 6:6).
• “When we say that Old King Cole was a merry old soul, we're not necessarily referring to that immaterial part of [a] human being.” (01:51)
• Insight: Even "soul" can denote the whole person, not an immaterial part exclusively.

2. New Testament Anthropological Terms & Modern Challenges

• "Soma" (Greek for "body") vs "psyche" ("soul") are central in Paul’s letters (03:10).
• Materialist perspectives (e.g., Nancy Murphy) erase distinction between soul and body:
  “For an anthropological materialist like Nancy Murphy... the self cannot survive death apart from the body... when we die, we are extinguished. Then, at the end of the world... the self comes back into existence again.” (04:00)
• Existentialists (e.g., Bultmann): “The word soma doesn't really refer to the body in Paul's usage, but rather... the whole person in abstraction from the body, the self, or the I of the person.” (05:05)
• This view allows affirmation of bodily resurrection, yet denies physical resurrection: “Bultmann can affirm, paradoxically, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, while affirming that Jesus' tomb still contained the corpse of Jesus, which in time rotted away.” (06:21)

3. Scholarly Critique: Robert Gundry’s Exegesis

• Gundry’s book: Soma in Biblical Theology — “Soma is never used in the New Testament to denote the whole person in abstraction from the physical body.” (07:36)
• The supposed interchangeability of "body" and pronouns (you, I, we) in Paul does not entail an abstract meaning for "soma."
  • Illustrative analogy: "She slapped his face" vs "She slapped him" shows restriction by context, not expansion. (08:15)
• Key Quote: “In every case, the emphasis is on the physical aspect of the human being.” (12:25)

4. Paul’s Use of “Soma” – Biblical Exposition

• Romans 6:12–14: “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies...” (09:33)
  • Emphasis on physical body: “Paul talks about your mortal bodies... and the word members to designate the members of the physical body.” (10:52)
• 2 Corinthians 4:10–12: “Always carrying in the body the death of Jesus…” underscores physical suffering and resurrection. (12:25)
• Ephesians 5:28–29: “Husbands should love their wives as their own bodies…” (13:28)
• Romans 1:24, 1 Cor 7:4; 6:12–20; 13:3; 9:27; Romans 12:1–2; Philippians 1:20; Romans 8:11 — All emphasize the physical body in sexuality, discipline, martyrdom, resurrection, and spiritual worship.

5. Gundry’s Conclusion on Soma

• Memorable Quote (cited by Craig, 23:55):
  “The soma denotes the physical body, roughly synonymous with flesh in the neutral sense. It forms that part of man in and through which he lives and acts in the world. It becomes the basis of operations for sin in the unbeliever, for the Holy Spirit in the believer…”
• Craig: “The importance of Gundry's conclusion cannot be overemphasized. For far too long, 20th century theology has been told that when Paul uses the word soma, he is not referring to the body, but is referring to the self, the ego, the I of a human person. But Gundry's study, like a dash of cold water, brings us back to the authentic consciousness of a first century Jewish person.” (24:54)

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Q&A – Engaged Theological Inquiry

1. Materialist and Intermediate State

• Cody (28:00): “How do people like [Nancy Murphy] explain verses where like, Paul says things like, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?”
• Craig (28:21): “What these Christian materialists have to say is that there is no such state, literally.” (i.e., intermediate state is denied.)

2. Materialist View & The Incarnation

• Cody (29:05): “If we do not have immaterial souls... wouldn't that make the doctrine of the Incarnation imply that somehow God turned himself into a human being? Because that's all Jesus is, is just the physical body.”
• Craig (29:15): “How [divine nature is] unified with that physical body is really difficult to see, I think. So these are pressing concerns for the Christian materialist.”

3. Soma vs Sarx (Body vs Flesh)

• Kevin (33:20): “I'd like to ask the difference between soma and sarx, especially as used by Paul...”
• Craig (33:48): “There is a sense of the word Flesh which is a moral use... flesh designates this sinful quality of sinful passions that lodge in the body… But the body itself is affirmed.”
• “It's important to understand this distinction, lest we think, when Paul condemns these sins of the flesh, that we think Christianity has a negative attitude toward the physical body, which it doesn't.” (34:44)

4. Telos and the Body

• Elizabeth (36:01): “Could this relate at all to the Greek telos... personhood being defined by our fulfillment of virtues?”
• Craig (37:29): “Our ultimate telos is conformity to the image of Christ, sanctification. And this includes the physical body... It is an integral and essential part of what it means to be a human being. And so whatever telos we have, it will include a physical component.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Soma’s Meaning:
  “The notion of the soma as the I or the self in abstraction from the body is a perversion of its biblical meaning into virtually the opposite…” (24:54)
• Gundry on Existentialist Misreadings:
  “Existential treatments of soma, like Bultmann's, have actually been a positive impediment to a correct exegesis of Paul's thought…” (26:15)
• On Christian Materialism & Resurrection:
  “[Materialists] are forced to deny the intermediate state of the soul after death... those who have fallen asleep in Christ have indeed perished.” (04:43)
• On Soma and Daily Life:
  “Paul envisions the presentation to God of our physical bodies as living sacrifices and then the transformation of our minds. So both the physical life and the mental life are to be consecrated to God.” (20:36)

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• 00:17 — Overview of Old Testament anthropological terms
• 03:10 — Introduction of New Testament terms & modern materialism
• 07:36 — Gundry’s critique of existentialist/modern readings
• 09:33–13:28 — Textual analysis of Pauline usage (“soma” in Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, etc.)
• 23:55–26:15 — Gundry’s conclusion; impact on New Testament theology
• 28:00 — Student Q&A: Materialism, intermediate state, and Incarnation
• 33:20 — Student Q&A: Difference between “soma” and “sarx” (flesh)
• 36:01 — Student Q&A: Telos and fulfillment through the body

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Summary

Dr. Craig systematically dismantles contemporary attempts to reduce human nature to the physical alone, championing the classical biblical conception in which the body is crucial, but not to the exclusion of immaterial aspects. The Pauline term “soma” most often refers concretely to the physical body; confusing it with “self” in abstraction from the body is a misreading, dramatically impacting doctrines like resurrection and the Incarnation. The nature of the body, its role in sin, sanctification, and ultimate resurrection are recentered in a robustly biblical anthropology, with lively exchanges on related issues—materialism, the soul’s persistence, and the ethical and teleological significance of the body in Christian life.

Transcript

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Welcome to Defenders, the teaching class of Dr. William Lane Craig. Today the Doctrine of Man, Part 6. For more information and resources from Dr. Craig, go to reasonablefaith.org Today we want

to turn to sub point three on your outline, the Nature of Man. And we want to begin by looking at the biblical data pertinent to man's nature. Let's start with the Old Testament. The Old Testament includes a number of anthropological terms referring to man's nature. For example, the word nephesh is the word for soul. The word ruach is the Hebrew word for spirit, and the word bashar is the word for flesh. Now, even though these are the primary meanings of these Hebrew words, nevertheless these anthropological terms in the Old Testament do not serve to draw hard and fast distinctions between different aspects of man. Indeed, sometimes the word nephesh or soul is actually used to refer to dead corpses. For example, look at Leviticus chapter 21 and verse 11, Leviticus 21:11. It gives instructions for the priest and says, he shall not go in to any dead body and defile himself. The word for body there is not Bashar flesh, but nephesh or Soul. Similarly, numbers 6 6, numbers 6, 6. All the days that he separates himself to the Lord, he shall not go near a dead body. And the word again is nephesh. So nephesh. Though the word for soul can actually be used to refer to the physical body, in English, this same usage has been adopted. For example, we've all heard the nursery rhyme Old King Cole was a merry old soul. Now, nobody thought that Old King Cole was therefore a disembodied, unextended immaterial entity. So when we say that Old King Cole was a merry old soul, we're not necessarily referring to that immaterial part of human being. Turn now to the New Testament. In the New Testament, we confront in Paul's letters a number of anthropological terms that are significant for the nature of man. First and foremost among these would be the word soma, which is the word for body, in contrast to the Greek word which is the word for soul. Unfortunately, under the influence of modern materialism and existentialism, mid 20th century theologians came to reject the distinction between the body and the soul. For example, for an anthropological materialist like Nancy Murphy of Fuller Theological Seminary, because she equates the self with the body, the self cannot survive death apart from the body. Therefore, one is forced to deny the intermediate state of the soul after death between death and resurrection. For the Christian materialist like Murphy, when we die, we are extinguished. We cease to exist. Then, at the end of the world, when God raises the dead, he reconstitutes the physical body, and so the self comes back into existence again. But this view implies that those who have, so to speak, fallen asleep in Christ have indeed perished. As Paul says in First Corinthians 15, There is no intermediate state for the materialist. By contrast, existentialist theologians like the German New Testament scholar Rudolf Bugtmann equated the soul or the self with the physical body. Boichmann held that the word soma doesn't really refer to the body in Paul's usage, but rather it refers to the whole person in abstraction from the body, the self, or the I of the person. And under the influence of existentialist philosophy, Woltmann took the soma to refer or mean simply the self, the person, the individual, but not his body. Now, this is extremely important because if it's correct, then Paul's affirmation of the resurrection of the body is. Doesn't necessarily mean the resurrection of this physical substance, this organism. Rather, it would simply mean that the self lives on. The resurrection of the I, so to speak, me to say I will be raised bodily from the dead would simply mean I will continue to exist. And thus a theologian like Bultmann can affirm, paradoxically, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, while affirming that Jesus tomb still contained the corpse of Jesus, which in time rotted away. Moreover, on Bultmann's view, nobody else will ever be raised physically from the dead either. So I think you can see how important it is that we understand what the proper referent of soma is. Is soma the body, or is it simply the whole person in abstraction from the body? Robert Gundry, who is a very fine New Testament scholar, has written a book entitled Soma in Biblical Theology, in which he gives a withering critique. Bultmann's view. Gundry argues that soma is never used in the New Testament to denote the whole person in abstraction from the physical body. Rather, soma is used much more to denote the physical body itself or the person with special emphasis upon his physical body. So. So let's look more closely at how Paul uses the word soma in his various letters. First, critics like Bultmann will often allege that because Paul uses the word soma and personal pronouns like you, I, we interchangeably, that proves that soma actually refers to to the person. If I were to say to you something like this, you should present your body as a living sacrifice to God, I could just as well have said, you should present yourself as a living sacrifice to God. And this would allegedly show that the word body really just refers to you, the person, but not your physical body. Because the personal pronouns can be used interchangeably with the word soma, then soma simply refers to the person. But Gundry points out that the presupposition of this argument is that the pronoun, when used instead of soma, expands the meaning of the word soma, rather than that soma restricts the meaning of the pronoun. And he says this is simply unjustified. The word soma, rather than being expanded in its meaning by the use of the pronoun, can actually serve to restrict the reference of the pronoun. And Gundry gives the following example. Suppose you say she slapped his face. Well, you might also have said she slapped him. Now obviously the fact that you can use the pronoun him instead of his face doesn't mean that a person's face is identical to the whole person in abstraction from the body. Rather, the expression his face limits the meaning of the pronoun to that part of him that she slapped. So she slapped his face restricts the meaning of the phrase she slapped him so as to specify the physical face. Now, when you look at all of the places that Paul uses soma interchangeably with personal pronouns, you find that they are all exactly like this. In every case, the emphasis is on the physical aspect of the human being. Let's look then at some examples. Romans, chapter 6, verses 12 to 14 and 16A. Romans, chapter 6, verses12 to 14 and 16A. Paul writes, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies to make you obey their passions. Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law, but under grace. Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey? So this is a passage where Paul uses the word soma interchangeably with second person personal pronouns you. But it's obvious from the context that the emphasis is on the physical body, because Paul talks about your mortal bodies using that adjective mortal, because he talks about obeying the passions that are in the body. And he also uses the word members to designate the members of the physical body. Don't yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness. So the emphasis in the passage is on bringing the physical body into submission to Christ. The passage in no way proves that soma can refer to a person in abstraction from his his body. Rather, here the emphasis is physical and on bringing our bodies into submission to God. Similarly, look at 2 Corinthians, chapter 4, verses 10 to 12 2nd Corinthians, chapter 4, verses ten to 12. Paul says, Always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For while we live, we are always being given up to death for Jesus sake, so that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. And again you see how the word body is used interchangeably with pronouns like us and you. But again, the emphasis in the context is clearly on the physical body. Notice that in the context Paul is addressing the physical resurrection, or rather the physical persecution that they have to endure, and he goes on to talk about the difference between the outer man and the inner man. He talks about having this treasure in earthen vessels. Clearly the emphasis in the passage is on the physical body and not on the person in abstraction from his body. Or look at Ephesians, chapter 5, verses 28 and 29 Ephesians, chapter 5, 28, 29. Paul says, Even so, husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church, because we are members of of his body. Again, I think that the physical orientation of the passage is very evident from the use of the word flesh as a synonym for body. No man ever hates his own flesh, but rather he takes care of it. Again, the interchange of pronouns with soma by no means implies that soma refers to the person in abstraction from his body. Rather, in every case where these personal pronouns are used interchangeably with soma, the emphasis is on the physical life and the body of the person involved. So I find Gundry's critique compelling. It seems to me that when you read those passages in which you have pronouns and soma used interchangeably, the emphasis is clearly on the physical aspects of human being, even the sexual aspects of the human person. And therefore these passages do not in any way sustain Bultmann's claim that the soma refers to the self or the

[Student Elizabeth]

I.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Secondly, Paul's uses of the word soma elsewhere are equally physical. Not only the passages where soma is used interchangeably with personal pronouns, but Paul's uses of the word soma elsewhere are equally physical. Let's look at some of these. In 1 Corinthians 7 and verse 4, Paul writes, For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise, the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does. Clearly the word body is being used here in reference to the physical body because the emphasis is on sexual relations between man and wife and how these are to be conducted in in the marriage relationship. Similarly, In Romans chapter 1 and verse 24 Romans 1:24, we have a similar emphasis upon sexuality and hence physicality. Paul says, therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves. And then he describes the aberrant sexual practices that these persons engaged in. The same is true in First Corinthians chapter 6, verses 12 to 20 and verse 32, First Corinthians 6:12, 20, 32 Paul says, All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be enslaved by anything. Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body, and God raised the Lord, and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never. Do you not know that he who joins himself to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For as it is written, the two shall become one flesh, but he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own, you were bought with a price, so glorify God in your body. Here the emphasis upon sexual purity and the union of two persons in sexual intercourse into one body makes it quite clear that Paul is talking about the physical body when he uses the word soma. Also in Romans 12:1, 2, Romans 12:1 and 2, Paul says, I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God and what is good and acceptable and perfect. Here Paul envisions the presentation to God of our physical bodies as living sacrifices and then the transformation of our minds. So both the physical life and the mental life are to be consecrated to to God. This is a passage that is dualistic in nature, mind and body wholly dedicated to God. First Corinthians chapter 9 and verse 27. First Corinthians 9:27 Paul says, I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others, I myself should be disqualified. Here he's thinking of that physical aspect of his life and keeping that physical aspect in check and under discipline. The context, using athletic metaphors like boxing and running, I think, serve to show that the physical part of human life is what Paul has in mind here. 1st Corinthians 13 and verse 3, 1 Corinthians 13:3 Paul says, if I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Here he seems to contemplate martyrdom, or giving his fear physical body up to be destroyed. Certainly the self or the eye is not something that can be burned up. So Paul is here talking about his physical body once again. Philippians 1:20, Philippians 1:20. Paul says, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now, as always, Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. Here again, Paul seems to be contemplating martyrdom, whether he will live or die, whether the body will be physically killed or whether he will live on in the body. And that seems to be the thing that Paul is concerned with. So Paul is talking about remaining in this physical life versus dying. So when he says in verse 124, but to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Here he's using the word flesh in a morally neutral sense to indicate his physical presence and via the body in this world. Finally, in Romans 8:11, Romans 8:11, Paul says, if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his spirit which dwells in you. The use of the adjective mortal shows that he is here speaking of our physical bodies. Just as Christ was raised from the dead, so God will give life to our mortal bodies when we are raised from the dead. So I think that it's very evident that when you look at how Paul uses the term soma, he is talking about the physical body or about the person, with an emphasis upon his physical life. Let me quote from Gundry's conclusion. Gundry says the soma denotes the physical body, roughly synonymous with flesh in the neutral sense. It forms that part of man in and through which he lives and acts in the world. It becomes the basis of operations for sin in the unbeliever, for the Holy Spirit in the believer. Barring prior occurrence of the parousia or the second coming of Christ, the soma will die. That is the lingering effect of sin, even in the believer, but it will also be resurrected. That is its ultimate end, a major proof of its worth and necessity to the wholeness of human being and the reason for its sanctification. Now, I think that the importance of Gundry's conclusion cannot be overemphasized. For far too long, 20th century theology has been told that when Paul uses the word soma, he is not referring to the body, but is referring to the self, the ego, the I of a human person. But Gundry's study, like a dash of cold water, brings us back to the authentic consciousness of a first century Jewish person. The notion of the soma as the I or the self in abstraction from the body is a perversion of its biblical meaning into virtually the opposite, namely a symbol for the immaterial aspect of human being. Robert Jewett, who is another prominent New Testament scholar, Robert Jewett, has thus said Bultmann has turned soma into its virtual opposite, a symbol for that structure of individual existence which is essentially non physical. Gundry thinks that existentialist treatments of soma, like Bultmann's have actually had a positive and detrimental. Pardon me. Gundry thinks that existential treatments of soma, like Bultmann's have actually been a positive impediment to a correct exegesis of Paul's thought, particularly 1 Corinthians 15 on the resurrection of the body. And it has sacrificed New Testament theology for a philosophical fashion, namely existentialism that is already passe. Any discussion of that first anthropological term then used by Paul soma or any of the other terms we've discussed? Yes, we'll get the mic here to you, Kevin. Oh, sorry, Cody.

[Student Cody]

I was actually just curious about with Nancy Murphy, like, how does, how do people like her, how do they explain verses where like, Paul says things like, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord? Like, it really sounds like, you know, when you're dead that means you're still conscious, like, and you know, in the intermediate state. Like, how do they explain passages like that?

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

I don't know. I've Never talked to her personally about these particular passages. But I think you're quite right. Second Corinthians 5, where Paul is talking about this intermediate state. And it seems to be a conscious, blissful state of being with the Lord and being absent from the body. And what these Christian materialists have to say is that there is no such state, literally.

[Student Cody]

The other thing occurred to me is like, what's their view on the Incarnation? Because they believe presumably Jesus was truly human, but they don't believe humans have souls. So do they take an Apollinarian type view where he's like a physical body with a divine soul?

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

You're raising really good questions. If we do not have immaterial souls, but we just are bodies, then wouldn't that make the doctrine of the Incarnation imply that somehow God turned himself into a human being? Because that's all Jesus is, is just the physical body. And of course, I suppose they could say they could still cling to the divine nature, but how it's unified with that physical body is really difficult to see, I think. So these are pressing concerns for the Christian materialist. I agree.

[Student Cody]

The last comment I'll make about that is I noticed the Van Inwagen in interview, he kind of kept bringing up, like. How do you put it? Like the, you know, the idea of a soul, like, interacting with the physical body seems to violate the law of conservation of energy or something like that. And I'm thinking, well, but wouldn't that seem to apply if he believes that there's a. He has to believe there's an immaterial aspect of Jesus. So it would seem to imply that

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

that's right, because there is a divine person there, the second Person of the Trinity, who is somehow united with this physical body. And I have not seen materialistic accounts of the Incarnation. I'm not sure how that would work. Yes, there was another question. Ali,

[Student Ali]

I may be taking you totally off track, but can we go back to First Corinthians 6, verses 12 to 20? You talked about the two shall become one flesh and how in sexual inter. That's talking about sexual intercourse and that that being a physical. My question to you is, what does it mean then, to become one flesh? I thought of that as a spiritual sort of.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Well, in the. In the context here, I think he's talking about the man and the prostitute joined in coidas. They are one flesh because they're united in sexual intercourse. Now, you will probably want to interpret Genesis theologically with a deeper understanding of what it truly means for the man. And his wife to be one flesh. But at least here in First Corinthians 15, he's talking about making your bodies members of a prostitute and becoming one body with her, which would be, I think the idea of being, being joined in sexual intercourse with her is not

[Student Ali]

the argument that when you have sexual intercourse you become one flesh, like the Genesis account. And that's why we're not supposed to do it. Do you see what I'm saying?

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

I do, I do. And this is, this is a good ethical question. I once asked one of my Old Testament, New Testament professors what Ali's saying is if you join yourself to a prostitute so that you become one flesh with her, are you married to her? Are you married to her? Does that mean that therefore you can never marry again even if you repent because you have already become one flesh with this person? Paul doesn't draw that inference explicitly. My professor that I asked the question of said he thought that that was the consequence and just underlined the seriousness of sexual sin. That's a very hard line to take. And I can't say anything more beyond there because I haven't reflected on it further. But at least for every person, it ought to make us redouble our efforts to avoid these sorts of sexual sins because the consequences are serious and could be utterly disastrous. So, good question.

[Student Kevin]

I'd like to ask the difference between soma and Sarx, especially as used by Paul, for example, because he seems to be very specific in choosing one word over the other, sometimes in the same passage. So for example, in 1 Corinthians 15:44, he's talking, talking about its sown and natural body. It's raised a spiritual body. But then a few verses later, in verse 50, he says, I tell you this brother's flesh, sarks and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So they seem to be more than synonyms. What do you think?

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Okay. Now what Kevin is drawing our attention to is the New Testament or Greek equivalent of the word flesh, which is sarx. And I haven't mentioned that, but we'll have to talk about that more. Is sark's flesh simply synonymous with soma body? Well, in some passages it does seem to be that way. In fact, the passages we read many times, he would talk about your mortal bodies or your mortal flesh. Flesh in the neutral sense, as Gundry calls it, is the body. But what that expression by Gundry conceals is that there is a non neutral sense of the word flesh In Paul's letters. There is a sense of the word Flesh, which is a moral use. And in that case, flesh designates this sinful quality of sinful passions that lodge in the body, but are not simply equivalent to biological processes. For example, jealousy, envy, rage, and other sorts of sins will be manifestations of the flesh in this moral sense. And so it's important to understand this distinction, lest we think, when Paul condemns these sins of the flesh, that we think Christianity has a negative attitude toward the physical body, which it doesn't. It affirms the goodness of the physical body, the soma, or flesh, in this neutral sense. But there is this moral sense in which the same word flesh is used that is condemned and is antithetical to the spiritual. So we'll talk more about that later. But, yes, you put your finger on an important issue in New Testament vocabulary for anthropology.

[Student Elizabeth]

Elizabeth, as I'm listening to this, I was just wondering if this conversation could relate at all to the Greek telos, how that might possibly fit into this conversation.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

To what?

[Student Elizabeth]

Telos. Greek telos.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Telos? Yeah. What is the word?

[Student Elizabeth]

I'm not telos.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

I'm sorry.

[Student Elizabeth]

As in the idea of personhood being defined by our fulfillment of virtues.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Oh, do you mean. Okay, telos.

[Student Elizabeth]

Yeah. Sorry. Excuse me.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Okay. Excuse me.

[Student Elizabeth]

My Greek is a little rusty.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Is this what you mean?

[Student Elizabeth]

Yes. Okay.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Telos means the end or the goal or the purpose of something. And I'm not sure how you want to relate that idea of the goal or the end of something to this. What is the connection?

[Student Elizabeth]

Well, I was just thinking about, like, the physical. The purpose of a human being being defined by their sense of fulfillment and their purpose. And so when I was thinking about what you were mentioning about the physical body and how we act, how we purpose our physical actions for God or for God's will, it just made me think of that same sort of relationship between our physical body acting out virtues.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

Yes.

[Student Elizabeth]

In that same idea. So I didn't know they related at all.

[Dr. William Lane Craig]

I think that you're raising a good point in that our ultimate telos is conformity to the image of Christ sanctification. And this includes the physical body. We shouldn't overreact to the materialist like Murphy by denying the importance of the physical body and its essentiality to full human being. It is an integral and essential part of what it means to be a human being being. And so whatever telos we have, it will include a physical component. Well, let's close there, shall we, with a word of prayer? Father, thank you for the time that we've had together this morning. For interacting about these important New Testament themes, and we pray for your empowering by your Holy Spirit, until we meet next Sunday in Christ's name, Amen.

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