Corruption defines both the perception and reality of government, eroding trust and even threatening national security. Today, the safeguards meant to keep our government accountable are failing. From the mass firing of inspectors general to congressional stock trading and Supreme Court ethics scandals, abuses of power are weakening public trust and raising fears that the U.S. could slide toward kleptocracy.

In this episode, host Simone Leeper speaks with Mark Lee Greenblatt, former Inspector General of the U.S. Department of the Interior; Jodi Vittori, Georgetown University professor and expert on corruption and national security; and Kedric Payne, Vice President and General Counsel at Campaign Legal Center. Together, they trace America’s long fight against corruption — from the founders’ earliest fears to Watergate reforms — and examine how today’s failures of accountability threaten American democracy. The episode closes with solutions for restoring integrity, eliminating conflicts of interest and rebuilding trust in American government.

Timestamps:

(00:05) — Why did Trump fire 17 inspectors general?

(07:36) — How has corruption shaped U.S. history?

(11:14) — What reforms followed Watergate?

(18:22) — Why does corruption feel worse in daily life now?

(23:01) — How did Trump weaken watchdog offices and ethics enforcement?

(28:47) — Why does congressional stock trading undermine trust?

(33:58) — What do Supreme Court ethics scandals reveal?

(39:59) — Could the U.S. slide toward kleptocracy?

(46:04) — How does corruption threaten national security?

(56:57) — What reforms could restore accountability and integrity?

Host and Guests:

Simone Leeper litigates a wide range of redistricting-related cases at Campaign Legal Center, challenging gerrymanders and advocating for election systems that guarantee all voters an equal opportunity to influence our democracy. Prior to arriving at CLC, Simone was a law clerk in the office of Senator Ed Markey and at the Library of Congress, Office of General Counsel. She received her J.D. cum laude from Georgetown University Law Center in 2019 and a bachelor’s degree in political science from Columbia University in 2016.

Mark Lee Greenblatt is an expert on government ethics and compliance, an attorney and author. Most recently, he served as Inspector General for the U.S. Department of the Interior. His work bolstered the integrity of the agency’s programs, rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse in the Department’s $10 billion in grants and contracts and $12 billion in natural resource royalties. Mark was elected by the 74 Inspectors General to serve as the Chairman of the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency in 2022. He previously served in leadership roles at the U.S. Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General and the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. He also served as an investigative counsel at the U.S. Department of Justice. He clerked for U.S. District Judge Anita Brody and was a litigator in two international law firms. Mark is the author of Valor, which tells untold stories of 21st century American soldiers, sailors and Marines who faced gut-wrenching decisions to overcome enormous odds. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, and he regularly appears in the news media. He graduated from Columbia University School of Law, where he was a Harlan Fiske Stone scholar, and he earned his undergraduate degree from Duke University.

Jodi Vittori is an expert on the linkages of corruption, state fragility, illicit finance and U.S. national security. She is a Professor of Practice and co-chair of the Global Politics and Security program at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service. Jodi is also an associate fellow with RUSI’s Centre for Finance and Security and was previously a non-resident fellow with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Before joining the Georgetown University faculty, she was the U.S. Research and Policy Manager for Transparency International’s Defense and Security Program and a senior policy advisor for Global Witness. Jodi also served in the U.S. Air Force; her overseas service included Afghanistan, Iraq, South Korea, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, and she was assigned to NATO’s only counter-corruption task force. She was an Assistant Professor and military faculty at the US Air Force Academy and the National Defense University. Jodi is also a founder and co-moderator of the Anti-Corruption Advocacy Network (ACAN), which facilitates information exchange on corruption-related issues amongst over 1,000 participating individuals and organizations worldwide. She is a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy and received her PhD in International Studies from the University of Denver.

Kedric Payne leads the government ethics program at Campaign Legal Center, where he works to strengthen ethics laws and hold public officials accountable at the federal, state and local levels. He conducts investigations into government corruption and initiates legal actions against officials who violate the law. At CLC, Kedric has been at the forefront of advancing reforms on issues such as congressional stock trading, Supreme Court ethics enforcement, executive branch conflicts of interest, and state ethics commission autonomy. His legal work and analysis have been featured in major media outlets. He has also testified at congressional hearings on government ethics and accountability. Before joining CLC, Kedric built a broad legal career across all three branches of the federal government and in private practice. He began as a litigator at Cravath and later practiced political law at Skadden. He went on to serve as Deputy Chief Counsel at the Office of Congressional Ethics and as a Deputy General Counsel at the U.S. Department of Energy, where he advised on federal ethics laws. Earlier in his career, he clerked for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

Links:

Understanding Corruption and Conflicts of Interest in Government – CLC

Holding Government Officials Accountable for Unlawful Conflict of Interest Violations – CLC

Ethics Pledges by Trump Cabinet Draw Questions and Skepticism – NY Times

CLC Sues to Stop Elon Musk and DOGE’s Lawless, Unconstitutional Power Grab – CLC

Elon Musk Stands to Gain Even More Wealth by Serving in Trump’s Administration – CLC

Is Musk Using the FAA to Benefit Himself and His SpaceX Subsidiary, Starlink? – CLC

Have Wealthy Donors Bought the Trump Administration? – CLC

How a Second Term Introduces More Conflicts of Interest for Trump – CLC

CLC's Kedric Payne on Trump's Brazen Removal of Nation’s Top Ethics Official – CLC

The public won't get to see Elon Musk's financial disclosures. Here's why that matters. – CBS

Justice Clarence Thomas Should Be Held Accountable Under Federal Ethics Law – CLC

Judicial Conference Decision Lowers Ethics Standards for Federal Judges and U.S. Supreme Court – CLC

Improving Ethics Standards at the Supreme Court – CLC

The Justice Department Is In Danger Of Losing Its Way Under Trump – CLC

Congress Has an Ethics Problem. Now It’s Trying to Get Rid of Ethics Enforcement – CLC