Natalie Maguire on Vanderpump Rules Drama, Lisa Vanderpump & passenger

Summary

Detox Retox with Tom Schwartz

Episode: Natalie Maguire on Vanderpump Rules Drama, Lisa Vanderpump & "Passenger"

Release Date: March 4, 2026
Guest: Natalie Maguire (Vanderpump Rules cast member, musician)
Host: Tom Schwartz

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Episode Overview

In this fun and candid episode, Tom Schwartz welcomes Natalie Maguire, breakout star of Vanderpump Rules' latest season and new recording artist, to celebrate her debut single "Passenger." The two discuss music, the parallels between cast members and real-life friendships, the behind-the-scenes of reality TV, social media fame, Lisa Vanderpump’s mentorship, and Natalie's colorful journey through theater, bartending, and reality TV. They also touch on restaurant life, relationship dramas, and the perks (and perils) of sudden recognition.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power (and Magic) of Music

• Tom on music’s universality: "Music carries history in a way that written language just can't. It's a universal language. I love music." (02:38)
• Tom expresses deep respect for people with the “audacity” to make art, quoting Andy Warhol: “Don’t think about making art. Just get it done.”

Notable Quote

“To me, it's probably the closest thing we have to time travel. You hear a certain song and it takes you back to that moment, maybe your first heartbreak...”
— Tom Schwartz, (02:13)

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2. Celebrating Natalie: New Beginnings & “Passenger”

2.1 Vanderpump Rules, Fame & That Full Circle Feeling

• Natalie shares her gratitude for being part of a show she used to watch:

"It's so weird to be there with you guys because I watched you guys..." — Natalie, (06:26)

• Tom likens the new season/cast to a “parallel universe” VPR:

"I feel like I'm watching Vanderpump Rules in a parallel universe." — Tom, (06:16)

2.2 “Passenger” Release Party at TomTom

• Natalie describes the vibe and message:

"You a stranger can't say nothing… I'm trying hard to break some habits… need a little time, trying to play nice but you look so good to me..." (08:30, lyrics excerpt)

• Song inspired by a rebound period; embodies early 2000s R&B/pop, with clear nods to Ariana Grande and Mariah Carey.
• On blending “good girl/bad girl" energy:

"Are you a good girl? Are you a bad girl? Well, maybe I'm both. Maybe I can be a sweet girl that has some edge." — Natalie, (12:36)

Timestamps:

• [07:45] – Song name revealed, "Passenger"
• [08:26] – Natalie sings/reads lyrics
• [09:13] – Inspiration and relatable themes (confidence, nerves)
• [09:37] – Tom on the “early 2000s Mariah Carey” vibe
• [10:25] – Champagne toast to Natalie and more music talk

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3. Music Chat: Influences, Albums, and VPR Anthems

• Natalie’s current favorite: Madison Beer’s “Locket,” Julia Wolf’s “In My Room” (rock, Evanescence vibe).
• Talks about relationship with social media and being open with fans (from DMs to quirky requests).
• Shares her approach to tattoos and regrets:

“I have a little tattoo of a Vespa that I got in Italy, and I'm just like, that was not necessary.” — Natalie, (15:46)

• On VPR’s theme song (“Raise Your Glass”):

“I've always associated it to the show... you have to love it.” — Natalie, (16:32)

• Tom: “I didn't like it when I first heard it, and now it's one of my favorite songs ever.” (16:22)

“OG VPR Music” Drinking Game

• Natalie quickly and confidently names Sheena’s “Good as Gold,” Topman’s track, and Lala’s single after hearing clips.

“This is good as gold. Sheena Marie. Come on.” — Natalie, (18:38)

[18:14–20:22] – Fun, light segment on VPR musical history trivia

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4. Adjusting to Fame & Parasocial Relationships

• Natalie on being recognized ("Sephora, matcha shop, everywhere"):

“It's amazing. I love connecting with everybody. It's so funny... It's crazy.” — Natalie, (21:03)

• Discusses "fringe benefits" like free clothes, spray tans, and “gifting suites.”
• On manifesting a Coachella invite:

“I just want to get invited to Coachella. Then I'll feel like I made it.” (23:05)

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5. Origins: Bartending, Theater, and LA Hustle

• Theater kid background (West Side Story, Les Mis, Cabaret, Billy Elliot).
• Bartending as a "survival job," not just “trying to get on reality.”
• On background work in Hollywood:

“The magic is, you get on a set at 5, 6 in the morning...and then you eat some shitty food and then you made $150 and then you feel like it was the best day of your life.” — Natalie, (33:07)

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6. Vanderpump Drama & Cast Dynamics

6.1 Addressing the “Incest Storyline”

• Natalie and Tom debrief online discourse about a “back rub with a cousin” scene.

“I like to think of it as like, a gym locker room... And the boys are just being boys, and it's like, give me a little shoulder rub, you know…” — Natalie, (36:27)

• On her bond with the boys:

“They're the best hype men... Who doesn't want to hang around that vibe?” (37:12)

6.2 Authentic Relationships & Restaurant Psychology

• The “proximity effect”:

“In psychology, there’s a thing called the proximity effect. You’re always around each other.” — Tom, (41:33)

• Natalie: “It's incestuous. We want to talk incestuous. It's just working in a restaurant.” (41:40)
• On cast “hookups” — organic, not manufactured for TV.

6.3 Friendship Drama on the Show

• Both Natalie and her friend Demi were involved with Paolo; details about reconciling and moving past any drama.
• Paulo’s return to Sir after a difficult period is celebrated.

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7. Lisa Vanderpump: The LA Mom

• Lisa’s approval as “royalty” among the cast:

“Her approval hits different.” — Tom, (46:22)

• Natalie reveals Lisa feels like her surrogate mom.

“I don't have a relationship with my mom, so I literally feel like Lisa is my mom.” — Natalie, (45:44)

• The two joke about Lisa’s fashion choices (“bring back the Housewives dresses!”), while pledging undying LVP loyalty.
• Natalie’s feelings on Lisa’s support:

"When she said, I think, you know, Natalie comes off like this girl, it’s like, all over the place. But really, she could do anything if she puts her mind to it. I can die happy." — Natalie, (46:03)

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8. Restaurants, LA Life, and Local Culture

8.1 Favorite Dishes and Drinks

• Sir's legendary goat cheese balls (“I love the goat cheese balls at Sir”), the pomegranate salad, Greenfield (cucumber margarita), Green Goddess (martini), apricot spritz, skirt steak, mez platter, spicy hummus.
• On bar culture, late nights, and LA venues old and new (Sir, TomTom, Drake’s, Bayou, the Abbey, Silver Lake).

8.2 Uber Car Sickness

• Natalie recounts multiple instances of throwing up in the back of a Tesla Uber, noting she’s “never drunkenly thrown up in an Uber.”
• Tom: “If you stay in there long enough in the back of your Uber, you’re gonna throw up.” (53:19)

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9. Fame, The Cast, and Future Plans

• Manifesting what’s next (“Coachella 2027!”), talking about cross-cast friendships, loyalty to Bravo and LVP.
• Discussion of reunion specials, Crappies Awards, Next Gen Bravo spinoffs.
• Tom and Natalie close out the episode in true celebratory, slightly tipsy style.

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Highlighted Quotes & Notable Moments

Music & Taking Risks

“Maybe this is your sign. Or at least a gentle little reminder from me, Schwartzy, to take the risk.” — Tom, (02:55)

About Fame

“I'm never like, I'm famous. I'm on TV. I'm just like, I'm here and it's happening, and that's a beautiful thing.” — Natalie, (28:42)

Heartfelt on Lisa V

“I don't have a relationship with my mom, so I literally feel like Lisa is my mom.” — Natalie, (45:44)

Restaurant Realness

“It's incestuous. We want to talk incestuous. It's just working in a restaurant.” — Natalie, (41:40)

Natalie on Being Authentic

“I want to feel empowered and I don't want to... hide for a man. I just want to say what's on my mind and just go with the flow.” — Natalie, (12:56)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–02:38: Tom’s monologue about music’s role in life
• 04:43–07:00: Reflections on joining VPR as a fan
• 07:45–08:59: Debut “Passenger” discussion and lyrics
• 09:37–10:25: Song influences, cheers!
• 14:52–15:38: Social media and fan interactions
• 18:14–20:22: VPR musical trivia/drinking game
• 21:03–23:09: Becoming recognizable and perks
• 29:08–32:44: Theater kid and background actor stories
• 36:09–38:09: Incest storyline discussion
• 41:04–41:40: Restaurant industry “proximity effect” and romance
• 45:28–46:03: Relationship with Lisa V
• 53:00–53:25: Uber car sickness confessions
• 54:03–56:12: Favorite LA/sir food & drink
• 58:11–58:34: Natalie’s music (where to find “Passenger” and more songs coming)

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Closing

The episode closes with Tom and Natalie vowing to continue celebrating, manifesting bigger milestones, and embracing both their roots and their future both in reality TV and beyond. Schwartzy encourages listeners to chase their dreams, Natalie teases more music releases, and both share a supportive, warm banter that encapsulates the ethos of Detox Retox: “We don’t feel bad about feeling good.”

“You're just getting started.” — Tom Schwartz, (59:12)

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For more, stream Natalie’s single "Passenger" on Spotify, YouTube, and wherever you find music.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. It's now time for your weekly retox with Tom Schwartz.

[B]

Today on the show, Natalie McGuire, one of the stars in the new season of Vanderpump Rules. I love the new season. I just watched the finale. I thought it was great. Yeah, that's right. I saw polarizing comments throughout the season, and they did have big shoes to fill. But, yeah, man, I think it was a hell of a season. I loved it. Very entertained. But she just dropped a new song, passengers. So we're gonna celebrate. We're gonna pop some bubbly. TomTom West Hollywood with Natalie and just celebrate life. Check in with her, talk about music. I love music. Can you imagine a life with no music? How drab would that be? You know what I'm saying? Before there were borders, there were drums, beats. Before there were textbooks, there were songs like literally every culture on earth, from tribal chants to hymns, to symphonies to 808s and heartbreaks from freaking Bach to Beyonce. Music, the soundtrack to our lives. Probably my favorite form of artistic expression. We have used music to pass down stories, preserve identities, bring the people together. Right? One love, baby. You know what I'm talking about. Music, it's not just a decoration. It's. Yeah, like I said, it's a soundtrack to our lives. To me, it's probably the closest thing we have to time travel. You hear a certain song and it takes you back to that moment, maybe your first heartbreak. Can you imagine getting your heart broken? Having to survive a breakup with the love of your life? Being down bad. And there was no Alanis Morissette. You ought to know. There was no gaudier somebody that I used to know. Man, that's brutal. Now you're just somebody that I used to know. No boys to men to serenade you at the end of the road Help mend that broken heart. Although we've gone, you don't want me to sing, Trust me. Anyways, you guys, I love music. We have it for all the highs, all the lows. We got protest songs. We have national anthems. Take me out to the ball game. Yes. Religious hymns. We got hip hop, social commentary. You know what I'm saying? Music carries history in a way that written language just can't. It's a universal language. I love music. I also have a great respect for people with the audacity to make any art bare a little piece of their soul, put themselves out there. I like this quote from Andy Warhol. Don't think about making art. Just get it done. Look, let everyone else decide if it's good or bad. And while they are deciding, make even more art. So whatever idea you have or dream that's maybe tucked away in your notes, buried under the burden of modern life, maybe this is your sign. Or at least a gentle little reminder from me, Schwartzy, to take the risk. Like Gracie Abrams said, you're the risk. I'm gonna take it. Take that risk. I was recently, recently watching the Brutalist, which is a great movie. But at one point, one of the characters emphasizing the importance of now he says, dreams slip away. Don't let that dream slip away. Okay, so we're gonna go chase some dreams, catch up with Natalie. Season 12 Vanderpump Rules. I've been vouching for the new season and the cast, I like their chemistry. Okay, let's go get into it. We're gonna Pick up at TomTom with Natalie McGuire. Talk about her new song passengers. Let's go.

[C]

Natalie fucking McGuire sits before me, Santa Monica Boulevard in the heart of West Hollywood.

[B]

TomTom.

[A]

I mean, it's like the spot. I'm here at least a couple times a week, so it feels right.

[C]

How the hell are you?

[A]

I'm really good. And it's kind of fun to be in here during closing hours.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I love that for me.

[C]

Yes. Opening duties, cleaning up.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Getting everything ready at the bar.

[A]

You know what? I have done roll ups here though, just to help some friends out at night.

[C]

So by the way, in my opinion, one of the most therapeutic side jobs ever in a restaurant. It's my favorite thing to do.

[A]

It's the best side work ever. But. Yeah, but I don't have that side work as a bartender. I, I have like cleaning bottles and stuff like that. So I love to help my friends out with their roll ups.

[C]

If I can knock down like a millie a year for just being the roll up guy, I'd be so happy.

[A]

Don't tell people at sir that though. Cause then they're gonna start getting me to do it there. I want my friends at TomTom to get off faster.

[C]

By the way, Natalie got cut. She's supposed to work tonight. So we're gonna make this, we're gonna do this expeditiously.

[A]

Yeah, well, I mean, it is my night off, so. No, I'm just kidding.

[C]

No, we're celebrating. First of all, congrats. Season one.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In the can.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

I think it was a great success.

[A]

I think it was too. I mean, I'm just, I'm so grateful for everything. And to be sitting here with you reflecting on it is so full circle.

[C]

It's very full circle.

[A]

My fellow Floridian.

[C]

I love the new cast. I love the new show. I'm not a hater, thank God, but I respect everyone's opinions. I love it. I feel like I'm watching Vanderpump Rules in a parallel universe.

[A]

Like, Vanderpump. Vanderpump Preschool.

[C]

Just.

[A]

I'm just. I know what it feels like for you.

[C]

No, it feels like a parallel universe.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's so trippy.

[A]

I know. It's crazy for me, too, watching it, like, on Peacock with all of your guys seasons there. I just said something that's such a pet peeve. I think. Your guys. Your guys's. It's so incorrect grammar, but I just did it. But it's weird to be there with you guys because I watched you guys.

[C]

You did?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, have we talked about this?

[A]

I'm not sure I. I don't like to hide it. I hate when people pretend. Like, especially throughout our interview process, there were people that were like, yeah, it would be great, but I don't care. It's like. It's okay if you care. Like, this is a badass show.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Why wouldn't you want to be a part of it?

[C]

Game recognized game.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

And also. But, like, I like.

[B]

What.

[C]

What did Chris say? I wrote some. I like what Chris said on Watch what Happens Live. When Andy asked him, he's like, did you watch the original show? And he's like, I didn't. And it wasn't snarky. He's just like, I kind of wanted to go into it with, like. With no preconceived notions and let my own organic story, sort of.

[A]

And I get that, too. I get that, too. I mean, I think there are some people that were brought in or that found themselves at sir that genuinely didn't know the history behind it, which is insane because it's so well known, but, like, okay, if you're gonna do this and you want to go in blind, I respect that, too.

[C]

Yes, exactly. By the way, we're not just chilling. We are chilling, but we're celebrating.

[A]

We're celebrating.

[C]

This, in my mind, is a momentous occasion. You got a new song out. What's it called?

[A]

It's called Passenger.

[C]

Okay, can we just. Before, by the way, we got a bottle of bubbly? Cause we're celebrating.

[A]

How did you know that? I love this shit.

[C]

Listen, I'm not a big champagne guy, but I like the spirit behind it.

[A]

Yeah, I love champagne.

[C]

I thought it would be a good a Good way to ring in the launch. Just a toast to your success and future success.

[A]

My heart is touched. And I love champagne. I could drink it like water.

[C]

So I'm going to pop it, but first I need to hear a little clip. We need to hear.

[B]

Can we.

[C]

Can we play it? Is that okay?

[A]

I'll allow it.

[C]

All right, ready? Here we go, guys.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

It's a sexy vibe.

[C]

I'm going to pop the bottle.

[A]

This is amazing. You a stranger can't say nothing Getting hard to speak Strong introduction. I think you're down for me all it takes Devil got my tongue I'm an angel this guy is so captivating. I'm trying hard to break some habits Need a little time Trying to play nice but you look so good to me stupid I've been waiting Just come and take me home

[C]

It.

[B]

It's a banger.

[A]

I mean, just even listening to Seth, it's. It's like we can all relate to meeting someone and being nervous, but being like, I love your confidence. I think you're down. I'm down, but, like, I need a drink.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That's why I wrote the lyric liquor. To loosen up these stupid nerves of mine.

[C]

A little liquid confidence.

[A]

But just. Yeah, just come and do it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. This was my rebound era.

[C]

Yes. Wake. Okay, first of all, for me, when I first listened to it, I. Yeah.

[A]

How did you take it?

[C]

I gotta be careful here, because this is your body of work. Expression of.

[A]

No, I'm an open girl. You can tell me how it resonated for you. I would love to know.

[C]

I. I was feeling like early 2000s. A little Mariah Carey undertones. Yeah, A little R and B. Like, I love it. What were you channeling when you wrote this song?

[A]

I love the pop, R and V, R and B vibe. Like, I. I think that's my bread and butter.

[C]

Am I right?

[A]

Yes, totally.

[C]

Is it right or wrong? It's like our.

[A]

You're right. I think my biggest inspo is. Everyone's so sick of this is Ariana Grande, whose biggest inspo is Mariah Carey. So it kind of. And I love Mariah Carey. Oh, my God. I remember being a young girl and jamming to obsessed, you know, song. Why are you so obsessed with me? Banger. And that was a 2000s banger. So those are just the songs that hit and hit to this day. So, you know, cheers.

[B]

You know what's better than having more plans? No plans. No. No, Tom. I'm not gonna be like that. You guys, come on. How about actually enjoying the ones you already said yes to. Okay, the little post holiday seasonal sadness mode is just a distant memory now. I hope for you too. It's a little annual reminder that this too shall pass. Disposition getting sunnier. Things are starting to move again. Are you guys feeling it? But remember, you don't have to rush to keep up. That's where in the cloud fits in. Indicloud is your fully legal online cannabis dispensary for gummies, exotic flower premium pre rolls, zero sugar THC sodas. Have you tried them? A nice, cheeky, clean, alcohol free way to unwind without overdoing it. Everything is available, federally legal hemp THC DEA certified, lab tested, shipped discreetly to your door. Come on, let's get some hype for March. March is a wonderful month. It's my mom's birthday. The triplets birthday. March madness, spring break. Also, don't forget to give yourself a break. Remember on my show, our show, we don't feel bad about feeling good. But yeah, in the cloud. Low dose gummies for smooth transitions, zero sugar THC sodas for the calm without slowing down. I can dig it. Premium pre rolls, $7 ounces.

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[C]

Other musical influences, current or ones that inspired this song or just you in general?

[A]

Yeah, you know, I love that the girls are just saying how they feel these days. All the girls. And I think there's something about, you know, are you a good girl? Are you a bad girl? Well, maybe I'm both. Maybe I can be a sweet girl that has some edge. You know what I mean?

[C]

A lady in the street, but a freak in the sheets.

[A]

I mean, I'm just. I'm just trying to be authentic, like, you know what I mean? We're taught growing up to behave a certain way. And maybe like I have, I have had some people, parental influences tell me, maybe I should dress more modestly. Fuck you. I want to feel empowered and I don't want to. I don't want to hide for a man. I don't want to let the man, take the lead. I just want to say what's on my mind and just. Just go with the flow.

[C]

It's a beautiful thing. Right, and that you did. I was jamming to this. I listened to it multiple times. And I'm not just trying to butter you up.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because you drove all the way to West Hollywood to do my podcast.

[A]

Well, I live in Century City, so it's not like it's that far.

[C]

That's a hike.

[A]

What? You're such a liar.

[C]

Wait. Ok. Before we get past the music albums that you love right now that you're dialed into, it can be old, new, it can be fucking.

[A]

Well, I keep playing Locket, which is Madison Beer's new album, and I really do love her. That's. That's happening every day.

[C]

She really came into her own.

[A]

Yeah. And she did. And then, you know this song, Julia Wolf in my room? You would love that song. It's rock. She's like. She's like Evanescence today. It's like. I'll. I'll play it for a sec.

[C]

Can you do a snippet?

[A]

It's like.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know if. We might get copyright stricken if you play it.

[A]

Okay, but. So play it up to your ear.

[C]

Oh, I know that song.

[A]

No, you don't.

[C]

Yes, I do.

[A]

I want your things in my room. I miss you all of the. I have no voice right now. I. Oh, this is my favorite lyric. I stalk myself on the Internet just to see what you'll find. Like, have you ever stalked yourself on the Internet, Tom?

[C]

I used to have, like, masochistic tendencies where I would, like. I couldn't help but, like, in the beginning, especially.

[A]

Me, too.

[C]

And I want to ask you about that. How's your relationship with social media? How's your relationship with the audience right now?

[A]

My relationship with the audience is killer. I literally respond to every message. That's not fucking creepy.

[B]

But.

[A]

But even some of the creepy cameos I'm commenting to. I did a piercing tour for some dude. You know, like, that's fine.

[C]

Wait, can you elaborate on that?

[A]

Yeah. I literally. I don't have that many piercings, but he asked me to, like, give him a piercing tour.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah. And with preferably wearing a crop top.

[C]

That is so. That is so. You love your fans.

[A]

I love them. Yeah. So, you know, and then he. He wanted me to hype him up to maybe get a nipple piercing. And I said, I don't know if I'm the one to do that because I'm not into needles. Anymore. But I will do tattoos, and I'm getting a tattoo removed, so I'm like, you know what? Maybe we can hype each other up.

[C]

How many piercings do you have?

[A]

Like, I have a belly button ring and then some ear piercings. It's not that crazy.

[C]

Do you have any piercings or tattoos you regret?

[A]

I do. So I have a little tattoo of a Vespa that I got in Italy, and I'm just like, that was not necessary.

[C]

I like it.

[A]

It wasn't necessary. I'm on my second removal session. I also got one that says ciao on my hand in Italy, and I don't regret that one. Ciao.

[C]

Ciao, bella. By the way, there's no such thing as a bad tattoo. Cause even the bad ones are good. At least that's my opinion. By the way, can I ask you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

A very important question. How do you feel about the theme song? Dina Dudley, raise your glass.

[A]

Selfishly, I'm like, fuck, yeah. Because it's iconic.

[C]

I didn't like it when I first heard it, and now it's one of my favorite songs ever.

[A]

Oh, you're saying the song in general.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, I thought you were saying of us using the song.

[C]

No, no, just. Just how you feel about it.

[A]

Oh, oh, oh. You know what? I've always associated it to the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm just like, this. Is that song it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you have to love it.

[C]

It's synonymous.

[A]

I feel like you guys made that song what it is.

[C]

Well, that's sweet. No props needed, because you guys are doing a great job carrying the torch, by the way. I just want to say, always appreciate people who put themselves out there creatively.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Artists like yourself. Because you were burying a little piece of your soul, aren't you?

[A]

I totally am. But you know what? It's been my dream to bury a little piece of my soul out here. So here I go.

[C]

You're doing the damn thing. You're chasing dreams. By the way, before we get out of, like, the music segment. We're not doing segments. We're just riffing. But we're gonna play a little drinking game. I'm ready, and I'm not putting you on the spot. This is not a gotcha situation.

[A]

Put on the spot. I'm good at that.

[C]

Are you sure?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Because we were talking about that, Like, I was shocked, like, when. Wait, who's.

[B]

Who said.

[C]

Was it Chris that said he didn't know Katie Maloney? Who said that?

[A]

I think it was Shane and Chris.

[C]

Yeah. They got a Lot of flack for that.

[A]

I mean, you could have googled the cast.

[C]

I know. I think they're just.

[A]

They're literally boys. Like, boys. And it's so sad because they're in their 30s, and I. I'm dealing with this. With. With some of them. I'm like, it's time, guys. It's really time. Figure it out. You all have the Internet. You have the tools. We have a therapist offered to us. There's no excuses. It's like, what's your excuse?

[C]

You want me to talk to him as a reformed Peter Pan syndrome?

[A]

Absolutely. All right. It would be life changing.

[C]

Well, the point was, this isn't a gotcha moment if you don't. If you don't know it. I'm not trying to make you look bad. We're going to listen to some of the OG's music, and you have to tell me who's saying it.

[A]

Okay. And if you're wrong. Okay. Okay. No, I'm. I want. Watch the show. I think I can do that.

[C]

Okay. You're gonna ace this. If you're wrong, you have to take a shot of either. What are we drinking? But what? Rose or tequila? Oh, we'll drink champagne.

[A]

Let's do champagne.

[C]

Okay, here we go. First song.

[A]

Sounds like I might not be drinking too much. I'm gonna. I. I think I'm gonna do good.

[C]

Okay, you ready? First song. Here, let me.

[A]

Do I have to name the song?

[C]

You know, just who sings it.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay, ready?

[A]

Okay. This is good as gold. Sheena Marie. Come on.

[C]

Come on.

[A]

I actually chatted with yesterday.

[C]

She's iconic.

[B]

Very.

[C]

She's working on new music.

[B]

I heard.

[C]

I heard a little rumor.

[A]

I hope that's true.

[C]

A little bird whispering in my ear. By the way, in my opinion, with respect to your new Bob, that for me, it's my favorite song in the history of Bravo tv.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

It started ironically or like. And then it. And then I was like, okay. I was warming up to it. Now we're in our post ironic era. I love it. Earnest sleep.

[A]

It's special and sacred.

[C]

Thank you. Yeah, I'm high fiving Natalie right now.

[A]

Sacred.

[C]

Okay. Oh, you're one for one. All right, let's keep it going. Okay, next one. Ready?

[A]

I'm still gonna drink to celebrate winning.

[C]

Yeah, I'll drink with you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Sorry, I didn't. Cheers.

[B]

Next one.

[C]

We're going a little deeper here, guys. Okay. A little deeper. Okay, that's right. Okay. Okay, these are. I should have went, but I don't know what it's called Top Mad Top Man.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't know that. But, like, I can obviously tell it's him.

[C]

Okay, see, I didn't know you watched the show. Have you been pub. Have you talked about this publicly?

[A]

I mean, I think so. It's not like I'm trying to hide it.

[C]

No, of course. I love that about you. No shame to your game?

[A]

No.

[C]

Okay, ready? Last one.

[A]

Okay, last one. So it's going to be Lala, obviously. Let me know if I can with you. Boy, this is so good. Come on.

[C]

To remix this with her, you need to re. You need to remix.

[A]

Ah, that's a really good idea.

[C]

Listen.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay, so I killed that game. I'm just going to drink anyways.

[C]

We're going to drink anyways.

[A]

Sorry. You know who would fail that game is Shane and Chris.

[C]

I was literally just going to say that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. How are you adjusting as someone who is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In the spotlight now? You're kind of. You're kind of famous. You're recognizable.

[A]

We're getting recognized.

[C]

How does it feel?

[A]

I would say Venus gets recognized the most because he. Nobody looks like that. He was literally in his driveway a few days ago and people were driving down the street, made a U turn and went up to him in his car and said, oh, my God, do you live here?

[C]

He has like. He has the locks of a goddess.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's giving goddess for sure. So. And especially in West Hollywood, I mean, we can't even walk more than five seconds without people talking to us. But it's amazing. I love connecting with everybody. It's so funny. I went to Sephora and, you know, normally they're like, let us know if you need help. I went into Sephora in the Century City Mall and they were like, oh, my God, it's you. It's crazy. A chacha matcha. I had someone, you know when they just do the stare and they're like, they want to say something, but they're debating it. And the girl ringing me of a chacha matcha was like. I just have to say, like, I was watching the show last night. I'm obsessed. Obsessed with you. I was with Venus, obsessed with you guys, and we were chatting a little bit. It's just amazing.

[C]

It's cool. It's like, people are always like, it's weird because I don't know you, but I know parasocial. They're like, you don't know me, but I feel like I know you. And I'm like, yeah, it's the parasocial.

[A]

Isn't that why we do it?

[C]

Yeah. I love it. I feel like an instant connection.

[A]

Thank you for caring about my life.

[C]

That brings us a little closer together.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And the fact that you've still improved, embraced me, accepted me for all my douchery.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? It's like, I thank you.

[A]

You're signed on. Thank you.

[C]

We're family.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

I love that.

[A]

I know. I get. I get really tight with people.

[C]

I believe I can see it. You have a good heart. You have a good soul.

[B]

You're soulful.

[A]

I'm definitely soulful.

[C]

What about, like, for someone who's probably never gonna be in the limelight or be famous? Like, what about, like, fringe benefits? Like, what are some cool perks of being somewhat recognizable? So I don't want to.

[A]

I've gotten some free clothes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I've gotten someone. A spray tan artist has offered to travel to LA to spray tan me gifting sweets. What's that?

[C]

Oh, have you done, like, the gifting?

[A]

Oh, the gifting suites. I thought I was talking about the tan. What are the gifting suites? Like, what does that look like?

[C]

Okay, so you go.

[A]

Obviously probably not, but maybe I have.

[C]

I mean, they're not.

[A]

I went to like a showroom for, like a clothing brand and just took a bunch of clothes home.

[C]

That's cool. Yeah, I've never even got to do that.

[A]

Well, you should.

[C]

Wow. She just.

[A]

I just want to get invited to Coachella. Then I'll feel like I made it.

[C]

Well, Natalie, I think you're going to be performing.

[A]

Oh, maybe not this year because the lineup is set. But you know what? Let's manifest next year.

[C]

This. This. This moment is a butterfly effect. This launch, not this moment.

[A]

Oh, my God. Speaking of butterfly effect. Butterfly effect. That's what Audrey and I call each other because I met her at her other job at Drake's. She was sitting next to me at the bar. We became friends, and then I got her a job at Sur, and here we are today, and she's my girl.

[C]

Really? So you guys, it's a date night spot for you. I've been there.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Drake's is. You guys, it's. It's just southeast of Sur.

[A]

One minute walk.

[C]

One minute walk?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If you go a little bit down east, Drake's is a cool little spot. How would you describe.

[A]

I mean, I love. It's like a city secret door with dark lighting and red leather seats and like a sexy bar.

[C]

It's vibey.

[A]

It's a vibe it's moody and the food's amazing.

[C]

Wait, can I ask you. While we're talking about just being the.

[A]

The server outfits are tragic. The little penguin vibe. Yeah. Audrey will run into sir during, like a two minute break, and I'm like, oh, my God, that outfit. Love you. Who Give each other a little kiss and then she'll run back to Drake.

[C]

I love the empathy with you, by the way. Having worked in the bar restaurant industry most of my life since I was like 17, I. When I see someone in a terrible outfit or one that's just corny or uncomfortable.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or overly formal, I'm like, I feel you overly formal.

[A]

Especially for a hot girl like Audrey. I heard you guys just updated your uniforms for my best friend, Ryan.

[C]

We did shout out to Ryan, by the way.

[A]

You know what, Tom? If I can take advantage of this moment, I want one of those bedazzled hoodies so bad.

[C]

Oh, you're gonna get one before we leave.

[A]

Oh, my fucking God. That's been my dream.

[C]

You know, it's fucked up. My name's on the side, but I don't have the key to the merch cabinet. What the hell?

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, if you want some sir merch, I know where that key is. Sorry, Guillermo. I'm just kidding.

[B]

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[C]

Wait, can I ask you how your first. Watch what happened. Watch what happens. Live experience.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

It was honeymoon. First time meeting Andy Cohen, New York City.

[A]

Yes, I met Andy actually before that.

[C]

Oh, you did?

[A]

We filmed something at Sir. We filmed like this. The raise your glass thing where it's like, you know, homage to you and turning it over to us. And so we had a little moment and he was so cute. He said, natalie, where are you from? And I said, boca. And he goes, oh, really? You know, Boca's just a vibe a lot of Jewish people like. He, you know, if you're Jewish, you know about Boca.

[C]

I know a little bit about Boca. I'm not Jewish. I'm a Schwarzenegger.

[A]

He is. He is. So. Yeah. And then he asked me if I was seeing anyone, and I told him I was. And ironically, that guy had done Bravo before, so I shared who that was, which is so secret. I know I can't say who it is, but I can say he was on Bravo.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[A]

And that's who. Passengers about.

[B]

Oh, my. Wait.

[C]

Oh, passengers about. Someone specific.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. I thought it was just like an amalgam of the.

[A]

No, it was about the guy I remounted with. And even, like, the reason I was. So I met him on Hinge. I've never even told him this. The reason I would even agree to meet him because I'm too scared to meet someone from a dating app was because I had seen him on tv and whenever he would bring up the show, I'd be like, yeah. Oh, sounds interesting. I had seen the whole thing.

[C]

Kind of aloof.

[A]

You're like a total aloof ass bitch. Yeah.

[C]

Wait. Yeah, this is Lore. But I don't. I don't want you to say the name, even if you were willing.

[A]

I won't say the name because I told him, you know, I'm doing this Bravo show very ironically, and we were seeing each other for a while, and I was like, what do you want me to share about you? He was like, probably nothing. So I was like, okay. So it's. It's a little bit of a secret, but, yeah, I was seeing someone who was on Bravo.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's juicy. Oh, this is a juicy scoop.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Heather. Okay. That's cool. I like Laura. I love a song. Obviously it comes.

[A]

Isn't it ironic?

[C]

Yeah, it really is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Don't you think?

[A]

Yeah. We still talk. He's very supportive of my song. He told me he sent it to his mother.

[C]

I'm supportive, too.

[A]

Yeah. But the song's about me fucking him, and he sent it to his mom.

[C]

Sorry, I'm laughing right now.

[A]

I know. Like, that's too much.

[C]

Wait, how you. Okay. How you feeling? Back I. Excuse me by Junk.

[A]

Hi, bud.

[C]

How you feeling looking back?

[A]

How am I feeling looking back?

[C]

Like, how do you feel? First of all, how do you feel about watching yourself?

[A]

You know what? I think in theater school, I watched myself so much that I got over that. Yeah, I got over it. But there are days where I'm like, oh, my God, my skin. I was stressed. Oh, my God, I'm pale as hell.

[C]

Especially with. Especially when you're sipping the scissor.

[A]

Oh, yeah. When we're drinking. Yeah. But I regret nothing.

[C]

I like that you're embracing your fame, your newfound fame.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I'm just embracing the moment.

[C]

You're embracing the moment. You're not overindulging.

[A]

I don't. I'm never like, I'm famous. I'm on tv. I'm just like. I'm here and it's happening, and that's. That's a beautiful thing, you know?

[C]

Do you ever hear the quote from Andy Warhol? Everyone has their 15 minutes of fame.

[A]

50 minutes.

[C]

I feel like you're gonna have way more.

[A]

Wow. Well, okay. I want to go back to watch what happens live because you know what? I feel like I got eased into it because Marcus and I were on with Brittany Bateman, and it was really a lot about Salt Lake City. And, you know, there was only one episode of ours, Elk. So there wasn't too much to say, but it was an honor that we were asked to go first.

[C]

Was it the first time you ever went to New York?

[A]

Oh, fuck, no.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I was in New York most of my childhood trying to be on Broadway.

[B]

Oh, wait.

[A]

Yeah. I was homeschooled. I was like, there. I was training Natalie.

[C]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I didn't know you were a theater kid.

[A]

Oh, theater kid with a capital T.

[C]

Can we go into that a little bit?

[A]

Of course. Were you a theater kid?

[C]

I mean, okay, I did, like, three shows.

[A]

What were they?

[C]

The Dining Room. This is in high school.

[A]

I don't know that one.

[C]

I was theater curious.

[A]

Theater curious. So, I mean, that's. That's good.

[C]

I grew up as, like. Like middle school.

[A]

You would have been my type. The theater curious or the theater? The straight boys that were the stars.

[C]

I was like, no, I was not a star. But I was, like. When I was really young, I was. I played football, baseball. I was more of a jock.

[A]

Yeah, that's not my type.

[C]

And then I went. I just.

[A]

I transitioned to Tony and West side Story. Marry me.

[C]

Wait, what place have you been in?

[A]

Like, all. All of them. I did theater my entire life. Oh, you're an og if you name a play, like, there's a high chance I did it. Yeah.

[C]

What was your favorite one? What? Fondest memory growing up?

[A]

I did west side Story, which was really fun. We would do these plays with live orchestras, and it felt like the rush that I would feel doing these dances and songs with a live orchestra. As a child, I was spoiled. I really was. I did cabaret. I did Les Mis. I did. I did everything. I did the world amateur premiere of Billy Elliot, which Means I was like, the first group of kids to perform the show once it was available to be licensed. So it's not that. That's like a very random flex, but I just. I was always doing theater.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So it was my entire life.

[C]

So you're. You're not. This is not like a debut. You're not a debutante. This is like, you've been in the game since you were. I guess, since you can remember.

[A]

We. I was definitely in the mental state of, I'm going to do something in entertainment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And then I moved here in the strike, and it's like reality seems like the gateway. But more than that, bartending was my survival job. It wasn't like I was trying to get on reality. You guys were still filming while I was bartending.

[C]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

Yeah. So it was more just like, this is such a coincidence. I'm in a place bartending where there is an element of entertainment. Isn't that smart?

[B]

So smart.

[A]

But who the fuck would have ever thought a full reboot would have happened? And I'm sorry, I'm losing my voice this week because I don't. Shut up.

[C]

It's okay.

[A]

Well, I think.

[C]

Well, first of all, I'm taking a moment because I didn't realize you were, like, off Broadway. On Broadway?

[A]

No. You know, it was the goal. I was auditioning for stuff all the time. I was too tall for this. You're two inches too short for this. I auditioned for the into the woods film that was like, Meryl Streep. Emily Blunt.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That was like Ayanna Kendrick with Cinderella. Like, I was like. I was in the mix for all of these things and just didn't book, and then had, like, some childhood trauma hit me in the face, and then got through life and went to acting school and then moved here after that.

[C]

Wait, are you. Are you part of the Screen Actors Guild?

[A]

Yeah. So I didn't join because this is a whole thing. You don't join until you have to.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So I was never forced to. The last thing I did was I was Millie Bobby Brown, Millie Bobby Brown's body double. And that was a SAG commercial. Everyone thinks it was for a TV show. I can't really say what it was for, but it wasn't for a TV show. It was for commercial. And I don't know. The sack of it all hurts my brain, so I get it.

[C]

I've done standard work.

[A]

I haven't even tried to, like, really do it, which is probably so lazy.

[B]

It's okay.

[C]

It's okay. I did a lot of background work.

[A]

Exactly. I did so much background work, too. And I never went and got the slip that I was supposed to get for sag.

[C]

You guys, in the beginning, when you first get to la, you have stars in your eyes and you're on set. It is magical, right? Even if you're a background actor, it was so magical. Can you speak to that a little bit?

[A]

Well, the magic of it is that you get on a set at 5, 6 in the morning and you feel like you're living that life they told you that you would always live, but then the reality is you're sitting on a foldable chair for seven hours until you stand around for seven more hours and walk back and forth over and over and over and over. And then you eat some shitty food and then you made $150 and then you feel like it was the best day of your life.

[C]

There was some pantomiming, some fake, some, Some. Yeah, a lot of pantomiming. And you're not allowed to eat the same food as the SAG members. At least back in my day.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No kind of treat if you're not a segment.

[A]

But I did background work for good shows. Like I did Insatiable and I, like, I was pretty up close and personal with Debby Ryan. Yes.

[C]

Did you ever get bumped to like a five and under?

[A]

I got bumped to featured background multiple times. Go me, I got that.

[C]

You know what show? I got that in True Blood.

[A]

I'm dying. Okay. I got bumped. And on Insatiable, and I got bumped on. Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. A film with Rachel McAdams.

[C]

Oh, my God, I got bumped. Your resume is impressive.

[A]

Steakhouse hostess. No. This is so pathetic.

[B]

So.

[C]

So people who aren't in the industry, a featured extra is.

[A]

You are still an extra, but you're just.

[C]

They show your face, they look for

[A]

you a little more. I don't know. This is. I wasn't expecting to talk about this. I'm dead.

[C]

No, I've. I've done it too. But in the beginning it was so fun and exciting. The thing is, like as much as fun as it wasn't it? Like, if you can get into the commercial background world, it's more lucrative. Like your base rate is like 300 or 400. $400 a day.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You always go overtime. But the thing is, it's like you're kind of sacrificing your long term goals because you can't go on auditions.

[A]

I think I Can't do extra work again.

[C]

You're too famous now.

[A]

Well, I don't even know if it's that. I don't think I can mentally do it. It's hard. It's hard.

[C]

Yeah. It's lost its luster.

[A]

Well, like, the thing is, my best friend Ryan, who, you know, who works here, did background work on the Michael Jackson movie with his boyfriend, and they were basically just, like, at one of the concert scenes, vibing, and I could do that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It came on the trailer for it in the movies, and I was like, it's you. It's you. And it took him a second. He was like, holy. I did background work for that, like, three years ago. He was like, I totally forgot.

[C]

Have you done any commercial work? Have you done commercials?

[A]

I did the Millie thing, but I'm not in that. Yeah, I'm just. I was just second team Kohl's Modelo.

[C]

I didn't mean to flex on.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Didn't mean to reflex on you.

[A]

No. Like, this is why I. I'm not thrilled to be talking about my background work. Because it's just embarrassing.

[C]

No, it's not embarrassing at all.

[A]

Okay, fine. Hey, it's Kale. Join me for Barely Famous. Unfiltered conversations, unexpected guests, and zero limits. It's messy, it's real, and it might get a little unhinged. So follow rate and review Barely Famous wherever you get your podcasts.

[C]

I jumped around. I watched, like, the first half of the season, and I just watched the finale.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

For people who didn't watch, I feel like everyone is listening to this podcast. Did watch.

[A]

Yeah. What.

[C]

How do you feel about the whole, like, incest storyline?

[A]

I feel like none of us saw the video except Demi.

[C]

I was just going to ask you.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[C]

It's a back rub with a cousin. I'm not.

[A]

Right. I like to think of it as like, a gym locker room.

[B]

Was it a second cousin?

[A]

I'm not sure what degree of cousins they are, you know, Like, I. I don't know for sure, but I like to think of it as like, a gym locker room. And. And the boys are just being boys, and it's like, give me a little shoulder rub, you know, heated.

[C]

Bravo.

[A]

It's just, like. It's just. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, no one's judging here.

[A]

I think if they were really trying to have sex, that would be like, okay, guys, maybe call one of the thousands of girls in your phone. And by the way, I think they do, so I don't think they need to fuck each other. I Think they are fucking plenty of people, if I've known them correctly for a year. I think they're good.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How's your relationship with the boys?

[A]

Incredible boys. Incredible.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They're the best people to party with. They're so positive. They, they truly. They're like the best hype men. I'll go out with them and they will, like, they'll be like, let's do shots. They'll pick me up, they'll spin me around. They'll be like, you're the best time. You're the baddest bitch. I don't care what anyone says about you. I love you. You fucking rock. Let's drink. Who doesn't want to hang around that vibe?

[C]

I'm saying, like, I've hung out with you guys.

[A]

Here's to the Chris and Jason.

[C]

When I'm in sir with you. You guys have great chemistry. It's authentic. It doesn't feel forced. It doesn't feel like you're doing it to be on a TV show. You guys have. You guys have roots.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we're still going all year long, you know, that's what I'm saying. They're the best. So I think they don't need to each other. They have plenty of people. And I think of it as a gym locker room. To sum it up.

[C]

Wait on that.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Yes, 100%. You painted a nice picture.

[A]

Okay, good.

[C]

It's hot. It's heavy, it's steamy.

[A]

Yeah, it's just a steamy locker room. And like, let's just put a camera in there because who doesn't want to see that?

[C]

I'll rub my back if you rub yours.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, I'll rub my. Your back if you rub mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Didn't come out right.

[A]

I, I. You said it so, like, so spicy that I, I felt it.

[C]

You got me all hot and bothered over here. Wait, dying, like, in it. So you've worked in restaurants most of your life?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, what was your first job?

[A]

My first job was at an event venue where they had like, sweet 16s and bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs and work events, and I wore an ugly outfit and I would tray pass and light candles and like that.

[C]

Can you not say the word Trey pass. You, you just triggered me.

[A]

Sorry, Natalie.

[B]

To.

[A]

But you know what? I was in college and I would bring so much food home that that rocked.

[C]

That was the best part.

[A]

The best part.

[C]

So the, like, catering pays pretty well. Like, the, the worst the lowest paying catering job I ever had in LA was like 25 an hour, which is okay, but like all, like most of them pay 30.

[A]

Pretty good.

[C]

I'm saying, like back in the day too.

[B]

Five hour minimum.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you do, yes, you do have to like trade pass you. You have to. You know, it's.

[A]

I feel like you'd be a great trade pastor.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was a legendary trade pastor.

[A]

I can so see that.

[C]

Although one of the first jobs I had early on was at Louis Vuitton in Beverly Hills and I had to

[B]

go up and down.

[A]

Bougie.

[C]

Yeah. I didn't mean to flex again.

[A]

You've been flexing all day.

[C]

I'm overcompensating because you all like, what? You told me your theater resume. I was like, wow.

[A]

Oh my God. My theater resume is children's theater. But love you.

[C]

No.

[A]

So I.

[B]

You had to go.

[A]

I was the star of children's theater though, so if that's the flex, then thanks.

[C]

What's the star?

[B]

Always.

[A]

And it was, it was like a Camp Rock scenario, like theater camp. And I was like a counselor in training. And my kids would be like, you're like the Miley Cyrus of this place. And I was like, I fucking love you. And a lot of the staff were like, you know, international young people that were coming to America for a job to travel. So hot. Guys with Australian accents and British accents and, you know, I was dating those guys.

[C]

You have a type.

[A]

I don't have a type. No, I do not have a type at all. I've dated a 50 year old man from Argentina. I've dated a 30 year old man from Australia. I've dated a man a year younger than me who was an actor and ended up going to Juilliard. And we'll see what happens with him. I'm all across the board.

[C]

You're trying to figure out what you like. You're narrowing them down.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm ready to figure it out. I gotta be honest. I'm just kind of ready to like, find my bestie, you know?

[C]

It's gonna happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like it's hard.

[A]

I know who I am, so it's like I'm not gonna lose myself in somebody ever again.

[C]

You have such a strong sense of self. You're not trying to figure out who am I?

[A]

Yeah. And I don't want to do the do you like me? Thing, because I've done that.

[C]

You got way too much moxie for that. Yeah, but yeah, there's like, like in the Restaurant at Sir. Like on the show. Sometimes people watch and it happened early on with. Ours are like. They're just hooking up for like a storyline to like fan the flames. It's not like that.

[A]

Like, have you ever had a night out where shit goes down and you talk about it the next day? Cuz that's Vanderpump rules. But like for two months. Yes, for months. Literally it's a crazy night out that you had or a crazy day out or whatever and you're debrief the next day with your best friend. Like that's the show.

[C]

Exactly. But it's real because like when you work.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

For people who have never worked in bars and restaurants, there's a psycho in psychology. There's a thing called the proximity effect. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. You're. You're always around each other.

[C]

Always around each other.

[A]

Can't help it.

[C]

Late night hours, you're hanging out afterwards, commiserating.

[A]

It's incestuous. We want to talk incestuous. It's just working in a restaurant.

[C]

You did it for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's where I was going with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The restaurant bar industry as a whole.

[A]

You know, one of my very close friends, Demi and I were both with Paolo at one point.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, was this on the season?

[A]

It was briefly in the first episode. And then I felt that she was confusing about her situation with him. So we did clear it up in the reunion which is about to come out. We've decided we love each other too much to keep fighting about it and have agreed to do disagree. But we were definitely both involved with the dude.

[C]

How is he?

[A]

He's really good. He's coming back to sir this week.

[C]

So for people, do you want to say. I don't know. I don't know if he wants us to talk. Maybe we respect his privacy.

[A]

Listen, Paulo had a thing happen where he's had to take some time off from work. It is discussed on the reunion. So, you know, I think whatever.

[C]

Paul is my friend, so I. Yeah.

[A]

Paulo has been the bar manager of Sur for like almost 15 years.

[C]

Probably OG of OG.

[A]

He's the OG of OGs. I mean he opened the lounge. I know that. The stories I know from that man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And we talk all the time. He loves you. I have pictures of you guys at the Abbey, like literally a couple days before.

[C]

I love that man too. He's steeped in.

[A]

Do you remember seeing at the Abbey at Kyle Chan's party?

[C]

Yes. I love I. By the way, I was so Worried about him? Oh, I mean, I just. I don't know.

[A]

Have no idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But listen, he's incredible. It's a miracle. And he's coming back to work this week.

[C]

Work, man.

[A]

Yeah. He's back.

[C]

Wait, you got. I just. I just watched the finale episode before I came here with Natalie. I like when I think it was Chris who walked in, and it was just like this little throwaway line. He's just. He's just started shift. Bartend. He's like, time to suck today's dick.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's just like, I.

[A]

My favorite line of Chris's was when he said, demi doesn't have a resting place face. He has a she has a I hate you face,

[C]

which is a gift.

[A]

I love Demi. I love her. You wouldn't know it from watching the show. You wouldn't know it. And we've kind of had discussions about this, that we really never made our amends in front of the camera. And that's a shame, because her and I are locked in.

[C]

How are you and Lisa? I. By the way, after.

[A]

After.

[C]

After your performance at Pride, I was right there with you, cuz I know you guys had a. Not a falling out, but it's like when you're not in her good graces, it does.

[B]

It.

[C]

It hurts.

[A]

It really hurts. And imagine that being your first day of filming a reality TV show ever.

[C]

I would cry.

[A]

And also imagine the instance that occurred was before filming even started. So you thought, maybe I'm good. They said, we're pulling security footage.

[C]

But then you. Then you got up on stage. You crushed your performance. Passengers, wait one more time.

[A]

Oh, very sweet.

[C]

You crushed your performance.

[A]

I have no voice, so I can't sing.

[C]

That's okay.

[A]

I've been. I've been going out and screaming, which is not good for singing.

[C]

Wait, in what capacity?

[A]

Just like I'm partying.

[C]

Well, as you should be.

[A]

I know, but I gotta protect my voice.

[C]

You gotta protect your voice because it's out.

[A]

It's going in and out. But, yeah, I think I've had a little bit to drink. I think I'm her favorite.

[C]

Okay. I'm offended. Do you know who you're sitting.

[A]

No. Of the newbies.

[C]

I am so hurt.

[A]

No.

[C]

This conversation. No.

[A]

Tom Schwartz. She talks about you all the time. And Even I have FaceTimed you with her presence in Vanderpump Dogs. You and I are both Vanderpump Dogs. Like cheerleaders?

[C]

Yes. Every time I go in there, I cry.

[A]

I just went to the shelter with them. The other day and pulled a bunch of dogs. Like, it's a big thing for me. I love Lisa. I'm a cheerleader of her. Everything she does, anything she needs, I'll be there. I don't have a relationship with my mom, so I literally feel like Lisa is my mom.

[C]

That was beautiful. Beautiful and touching.

[A]

Thank you. And I just think she gets me. I'm a complex, emotional, wild girl, but my heart is always in the right place.

[C]

And she sees that coming out of season one. That's like forever for the. For the audience. It's like your origin story.

[A]

It's my origin story. And when she said, I think, you know, Natalie comes off like this girl, it's, like, all over the place. But really, she could do anything if she puts her mind to it. I can die happy.

[C]

I saw the twinkle in your eye when she said that, and I was right there with you because I've gotten some, like me.

[A]

Her approval hits different.

[C]

It really does.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In my mind, she's still royalty. Like, I.

[A]

Me too.

[C]

She really is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Lisa is. She's our LA mom.

[A]

Yeah. She's just my mom now.

[C]

And she still checks in on me all the time, which is so good. I know. She's got 50 bars now.

[A]

I know. And she said the other day I called her and I said, can I call you? I'm, like, doing this TMZ tour bus thing. It would be so fun to call you. And she said, it's five in the morning in London. And I'm like, you're in London. You're always somewhere.

[C]

She's so chic.

[A]

I know.

[C]

She's so worldly.

[A]

I know. I. What? I will say I'm not roasting her, but I'm about to roast her.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Because I will roast her. I don't know if you saw this episode, but it was the 20th anniversary of SIR Right. But it wasn't the 20th anniversary of SIR it was the 20th anniversary of Lisa and her partnership with SIR okay.

[C]

A technicality.

[A]

A technicality. You know, because Lisa, like, invested in the restaurant and then they became partners.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was like, oh, my God. Calling it out like a little crazy girl that I am. And anyways, this is what I want to say for Lisa. Lisa's perfect, and I have no criticism, except for this one thing. I want her to bring back the dresses with the pumps.

[C]

No.

[A]

And I want to stop the blazer and suit set thing. I miss her, like Housewives, Beverly Hills, sexy dress vibe.

[C]

Do you know that every time I see her I'm like, are you going to rejoin the cast of the Housewives of Beverly?

[A]

Oh, we both know that's never going to happen. But you know what sucks is that I watched that show. I've watched it for years and now I watch it with the most sour taste in my mouth because I know where my loyalty lies.

[C]

Well, by the way, she will appreciate that. Yeah, but it's still good.

[A]

It's a great show. But I can't get too invested because my loyalty is always LVP all day long.

[C]

You feel like it's a betrayal if you're like 100%.

[A]

So I think I'm good being a Rachel Zo fan who I'm loving this season.

[B]

So.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Because she's brand new. New.

[C]

Yeah. And she's iconic.

[A]

She's iconic. And Shane is up against her for one of the crappy awards on Friday. And I told him, you know, it's a podcast. Watch what crap.

[C]

Oh, I love that.

[A]

They're very funny. They actually said something about me that made me laugh and normally I'm very sensitive. I, I basically went down a couple stairs and, and took a little bit of a tumble. And they said, I. My excuse was that I wasn't familiar with the stairs. And they said, well, well, what the fuck happens when she goes down a parking garage in la? She's falling on her face saying she's never been down the stairs before. I don't know. I was dying laughing.

[C]

So are we talking the stairs in the back alley yet, sir?

[A]

I have tripped down those stairs too. I'm not good with stairs. I grew up in a one story house, Tom. Not good with stairs.

[C]

I got.

[A]

I've torn ligaments in my feet. I'm damaged. But anyways, I'm not a stair girl

[C]

and she's not a StairMaster.

[A]

I'm not, I'm not. I'm not a StairMaster. No. A master of many things. Not stairs. So Shane is up against Rachel Zo for best newbie at the Crappies Watch what Crappens Awards. I of course voted for Shane because I'm loyal and I love him. But I did say that is your biggest competition. And he felt his biggest competition was the Next Gen kids.

[C]

Wow. Which is a great show as a group.

[A]

Why weren't we nominated as a group?

[C]

Are you tight with the Next Gen?

[A]

I wish I was. I actually went to theater camp with Brooks Marks.

[C]

What the.

[A]

But we haven't reconnected yet. But that was in 2010 through 2012. I want to say we were in Theater camp together. You know what? I don't know what I'm waiting for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm a big fan of Ariana Biermann. I loved the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Loved it.

[C]

We need a reunion special.

[A]

I'm very devastated they didn't have a reunion, but I am excited for. For this next season. And they're doing other next gen cities.

[C]

They are.

[A]

They are, apparently.

[C]

Oh, they're franchise.

[A]

I've heard little rumors. Bravo. Don't kill me. I've. I've heard rumors.

[C]

Okay. If you want, I can take that out, but yeah, listen, by the way, before.

[A]

By the way, the rumors are public.

[C]

Rumors are public. Oh, then let them out.

[A]

I think they are.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't say which cities.

[C]

The rumors are public.

[A]

There are definitely rumors about la, but I know about another city.

[C]

Rumors about Natalie.

[A]

I know this. We could talk all day, Tom. I told you.

[C]

Listen, I just wanted to. I wanted to sit down, pop some bubbly, celebrate your new song.

[A]

Do you have any burning questions before we wrap?

[C]

Actually, I do.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

What's your favorite drink at Sir? Your favorite dish? And are you.

[A]

I got it.

[C]

This.

[B]

Do you.

[C]

Do you sometimes mentally feel like a goat cheese ball?

[A]

I love goat cheese balls. I love the goat cheese balls at sir, but I think I love them here more because I love the little salad that it comes with.

[B]

Low key. With the pomegranate.

[A]

With the pomegranate seeds. And I think the crisp is different.

[C]

We're whispering. I feel like Lisa's gonna hear us. Or not Guillermo, not Lisa.

[A]

Yeah. I apologize. But listen, they're different everywhere, so it's like I have to be truthful.

[C]

When is. Okay.

[A]

I do like the little mango shebang. It comes with it, sir.

[C]

It's nice.

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

I love the word shebang.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

I.

[C]

By the way, when you threw up in the back of the Uber, I was I person. So my shout out to.

[A]

Have you been there before?

[C]

So my girlfriend Kiana, who I love very much, she.

[A]

I met her briefly on a night out. She's stunning.

[C]

Thank you. She. I'm not saying she has a tendency to throw up in the back of Ubers, but she has a very specific car sick vibes. Tesla vibes.

[A]

By the way. It was a Tesla. No, that's exactly what it was.

[C]

Kiana. Of course she can't ride in the back of Tesla's.

[A]

That's exactly what it was.

[C]

Even if she's had, like a glass of champagne.

[A]

I was stone cold sober in the back of a Tesla Uber wanting to Just commit. Like, I just cannot. It was so bad.

[C]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

It was bad.

[C]

I don't mind it.

[A]

You know, maybe you're just stomach of steel.

[C]

How many times do you think you've thrown up in the back of an Uber?

[B]

Total.

[A]

A few. And. And I've never drunkenly thrown up in an Uber. I just want to say that.

[B]

So.

[C]

Oh, so you were. You were. Okay. You were present, you apologize.

[B]

Jack, my.

[A]

That was like 8 in the morning.

[C]

But not like projectile, right?

[A]

No, it was just like nervous. A one moment thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe one or two. Well, not to be tmi, but like, I could feel myself nauseous. But I was like, I'll be okay. Like, nothing will happen. And then it was just out of my control at one point.

[B]

And once.

[A]

And once you're like, I should have just gotten out of the car when I felt it coming.

[C]

Because, like.

[A]

Yeah. Once you once convinced myself I was gonna be fine.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was a lie.

[C]

Which you have to do.

[A]

Yeah. Like, don't panic. You're fine.

[C]

But it gets to a point and then. Then it becomes.

[A]

I was in denial.

[C]

It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Like, if you stay in there long enough in the back of your Uber, you're gonna throw up.

[A]

Yeah. And I tried to do it in my clothing. So disgusting. And that's why I show up to sir in a hairdresser robe, because I went. I was Ubering to get my hair done right next to sir, and I ended up walking in hairdresser robe.

[C]

How is your relationship with Sir? You still love Sir?

[A]

I do love Sir.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I die for Sir.

[C]

Wait, what's your favorite drink?

[A]

Okay, so my favorite. I'll go. My favorite drink, Sir. I think it's the Greenfield, which is the cucumber mark.

[C]

Yeah, I haven't had the Greenfield.

[A]

Oh, it's good. It's literally a marg with fresh cucumber juice.

[C]

Oh, you can't beat that.

[B]

Yeah, that's all you need.

[A]

Yeah. Or I like the Green Goddess, which is the cucumber martini. Some days I'm Tequila, some days I'm vodka. Or Aperol.

[C]

Spritz is classic iconic, but I only like to drink those in Italy, where you got your chow and your Vespa tattoo.

[A]

You want to see?

[C]

Yeah, let's see it.

[A]

So this is the Vespa that's getting removed.

[C]

Can I take a picture?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, I'll do it after.

[A]

Okay, we'll do.

[C]

So you guys can see it.

[A]

And then this is chow. And then I also got a Little pepper. Hold on.

[B]

Like a spicy.

[A]

On the back of my arm. It's this little red thing.

[C]

Oh, yeah, they're solid. There's no such thing as a bad tattoo. That's the takeaway.

[A]

I also have Frank Sinatra's name tattooed on my body. I was named after his mother.

[C]

Old Blue Eyes.

[A]

Yeah. And so I think I should have been named Frankie. But whatever. We can't go back. I wasn't here yet.

[C]

I. I know when we were filming, at one point, Lala, she got a lot of for it, but I thought it was hilarious. She said when Tupac passed away that he was reincarnated in her body. Innocent, it was, but, like. Do you feel like you're the reincarnation of Frank?

[A]

I totally do.

[C]

I'm joking, you guys. But that was funny. I like that. You just owned it.

[A]

Totally. I totally do. But okay. My favorite meal at Sir.

[C]

I've never been there. I'm like, what should I get? What should I get to drink?

[A]

I think. I think I love the green fields and I love the skirt steak.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I also love the guac and the tuna tartar. And I love the goat cheese balls. And I love this thing, they have like a mez platter. It's basically just pea with a bunch of dips. It's just like a whipped rota, A beet little dip. Like beets. I really like beets. And then I like a spicy hummus.

[C]

I love a spicy hummus.

[A]

It's really good. They put like a chili oil in it.

[B]

You still.

[C]

You still love la?

[A]

I love la, of course. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's. I've been here three years. West Hollywood, still brand new.

[C]

I'm in the Valley, but my heart will always be in West Hollywood.

[A]

I love to explore other neighborhoods.

[C]

Venice, you know, we went out in

[A]

Silver Lake one night, and it felt like the best night of our life.

[C]

People. Okay, so you guys. So there's like an epidemic. People aren't going out as much in West Hollywood, which is bad. Like, the pulse of la, in my opinion. People are going out in Silver Lake.

[A]

Do you think that we need more clubs and less bars?

[C]

I don't. I don't know. I'm old now. Do people go to clubs anymore?

[A]

I think people are missing clubs.

[B]

Do you go to clubs?

[A]

No. And that's the problem, because where are the clubs?

[B]

What do you guys do?

[A]

We come here.

[C]

That's the thing. The proximity clause, like we talked about.

[A]

I mean, it's around the corner.

[C]

Not only do you hook up with the people that you work with.

[A]

But I want to make sure less of a restaurant and more of a club. I'm in for more of a lounge.

[C]

Like fist pumping. Like John Summit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

Like sir club vibes.

[C]

Marcus.

[A]

Marcus.

[C]

He's ascending right now. How's his DJ skills?

[A]

I don't like to comment on those.

[C]

Okay. He's getting better. I like Marcus.

[A]

I love Marcus too, but he's the man.

[C]

I like your whole cast. I. Well, in it. When I say that every Craig group of friends.

[A]

You really are.

[C]

When I say nice things like that, everyone's like, Schwartz, you're a golden retriever. You like everybody. So it's a mood point. It's not true. I could be critical.

[A]

You have to come out with us one night.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I've. I. I got to hang out with you guys a little bit when I. After I interviewed Venus at Sir. But I would love to come out.

[A]

Yeah, but that's like insert. You need to like, go to like, bayou or like something like that.

[C]

What you know about the bayou?

[A]

I've been there.

[C]

Have you ever had a jello shot?

[A]

No, not a jello shot.

[C]

Oh, my God. All right, you guys, we're gonna.

[A]

We're getting to Florida.

[C]

Yeah, your Florida man's gonna come out.

[A]

I'm tired.

[C]

Florida woman.

[A]

No, I've been there because one of your workers works over there.

[C]

It's my favorite dive bar in West Hollywood. Me and Zach did an episode for Pride there.

[A]

I love it.

[C]

And by the way, I'm not someone who likes a jello shot.

[A]

Just there.

[C]

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but they serve them in syringes and it's like a whole.

[A]

That makes me uncomfortable.

[C]

It's a thing in West.

[A]

No, but the texture freaks me out.

[C]

You got to do one.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay, fine.

[C]

Natalie.

[A]

It's been too long. It's been too long. I'm sorry. I knew this was going to happen. I'm just going to go.

[B]

Where can we.

[C]

Where can we find passengers?

[A]

Okay. So passenger. Because I don't know what the I'm doing yet. It's on YouTube. It's on Spotify, and it's. It's coming to more places as I figure it out.

[C]

Straight from the heart. Straight from the soul. Are you gonna do we have an

[A]

album Is for my own good. I'm gonna be back in the studio this Sunday, so I'm getting back into it and I have a bunch of really cool tracks. So you just wait.

[C]

I feel like we need to. Let's let passengers take us out or. Okay, how about we go good as gold?

[A]

Yeah, let's go.

[C]

Good as gold.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Love you guys. Thanks for listening.

[A]

Thanks for entertaining that. Whatever this was.

[C]

Natalie,

[A]

bring the rock for you. We're going. I was at her birthday in her, like, sprinter van, going home blasting this with her child sleeping.

[C]

Shout out to Sheena, who I love, by the way.

[A]

Core memory for me. She's always embraced me like she's known me forever.

[C]

Sheena's the. And Natalie, you're the.

[A]

You're the.

[C]

And you're just getting started.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, let's go.

[A]

All right. Bye.

[C]

Bye.

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