Spilling Bravo Tea with Brice Sander

Summary

Detox Retox with Tom Schwartz

Episode: Spilling Bravo Tea with Brice Sander
Date: July 8, 2026
Host: Tom Schwartz
Guest: Brice Sander (Entertainment Journalist, ET Correspondent)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the world of reality TV and pop culture journalism with guest Brice Sander, a leading ET correspondent known for his Bravo and reality coverage. Tom and Brice discuss the realities of Brice’s dream job, the ethics and emotional complexities of reality TV journalism, and, naturally, plenty of Bravo “tea”—from insider stories to debating the most iconic Housewives songs. The tone is lighthearted, candid, and reflective, balancing real talk about the industry’s pressures with playful nostalgia and pop culture fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Living the Dream: Brice’s Career Journey

• Location & Role: Brice and Tom record at Brice’s ET office on the Radford lot in Studio City, CA (05:17).
• Dreams vs. Reality:
  • Brice (05:40): “You have to remember when a dream becomes reality, it’s a reality...sometimes the dreamy parts aren’t as dreamy because it’s reality. But I’m still very lucky. This is such a weird, strange, crazy job to have.”
• “Chief Real Housewives Correspondent”:
  • Brice (06:16): “That’s not a real title... People legitimately think that’s my job!”
  • Tom (06:20): “That’s how I think of you.”

Friendship vs. Professionalism in Reality TV Journalism

• Maintaining Boundaries:
  • Tom (08:36): “Does it ever become a conflict of interest...you feel guilty holding their feet to the fire?”
  • Brice (09:04): “No, like... I do a good job at, like, I’m friendly with most everybody, but I’m not involved in people’s lives... Some want to be friends, others want press. I learned how to interview people... walk the line.”
• Empathy and Hard Questions:
  • Tom (10:37): “You’re clearly an empathetic, compassionate, well-rounded person. Do you ever feel guilty after an interview?”
  • Brice (11:07): “Not usually from an interview. It’s more when news breaks and there’s pressure to start investigating what’s going on... Those are the moments that feel tougher.”

The Allure of Drama and Redemption

• Audiences Want Carnage?
  • Referencing a quote from “The Beast in Me” (07:29):
    • Tom: “People don’t want hope. They want gossip and carnage...he’s right.”
    • Brice (07:30): “It’s a sad state of reality… a lot of newsrooms operate from ‘if it bleeds, it leads.’ But Bravo fans like a mix of heavy and light.”
• Second Chances:
  • Tom (08:16): “I believe in second, third, fourth, fifth chances.”
  • Brice (08:28): “What chance do you give up on somebody?”
  • Tom (08:30): “I think 12 is my—12.”

The Art of Interviewing

• Interview Technique:
  • Brice (10:06): “I try to approach people with how would you want to be asked… might know from someone like you what you’ll say, so I can set up questions.”
  • Tom (10:31): “It doesn’t feel transactional. I feel a genuine connection with you.”
• Regrets & Bloopers:
  • Brice (11:40): “Regrets I have after an interview are like ‘I should have followed up’... It’s more like performance.”

Bravo Nostalgia & Iconic Moments

• Favorite Schwartz & Sandy’s Memory
  • Brice (18:22): “Tom Tom is my favorite [restaurant].”
• Bravo Shows & Culture:
  • Brice (19:25): “The Valley is the thing I like the most right now on Bravo… but OC premieres this week, that may supersede.”
  • Tom (19:40): “Two decades of Housewives. OC—Vicki Gunvalson is still around.”
  • Brice (20:00): “She has the wifetime achievement award from BravoCon.”
• BravoCon Behind-the-Scenes:
  • Brice (20:12): “The marketing team at NBCU also does the Olympics—they don’t have the bandwidth to do both in one year. All the off-years are Olympics years.”

Journalism Education and Reality Fatigue

• Brice’s Background:
  • Brice (21:22): “University of Missouri—the first journalism school... I don’t think I’d be able to do what I do if I hadn’t gone there.”
  • Insights on ‘Stand-Up’ and ‘Walk and Talk’ (22:39 & 22:51): Definitions of classic TV reporting moves.
• Reality TV Fatigue:
  • Tom (23:08): “Do you ever get reality TV fatigue?”
  • Brice (23:19): “I watch most everything on Bravo, but I’ve given up on some others… My husband is a big fan too, so our household was just built for it.”

Bravo Musical Legacy: Debating “Good as Gold” vs “Don’t Be Tardy”

• Favorite Bravo Songs:
  • Tom (24:06): “What is the most iconic Bravo song of all time? Is it ‘Good as Gold’ or ‘Money Can’t Buy You Class’ or something else?”
  • Brice (24:14): “I think ‘Don’t Be Tardy’… might take the cake just from nostalgia… It’s an earworm.”
  • Brice (25:23): “The Vanderpump Rules theme song [is the most iconic].”
  • Tom (26:22): “I kind of wish they would have remixed it...but now I love it. It’s iconic. It’s an earworm.”

Behind the Scenes: Filming Intros & Cast Antics

• Tom (27:12): “Early slow mo days, we’d drink out of boredom or go out... then get reprimanded.”
• Brice (27:26): “Have to go back, the cameras have to be taken off filming the intro to film a scene.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Success and Reality
  • Brice (05:40): “When a dream becomes reality, it’s a reality.”
• On Audience Tastes
  • Tom (07:29): “People don’t want hope. They want gossip and carnage.”
  • Brice (07:30): “It’s a sad state of reality.”
• On Interviewing Friends
  • Brice (09:04): “I had to make that decision early on...I learned how to interview people.”
• On BravoCon Scheduling
  • Brice (20:12): “The marketing team also runs the Olympics and they do not have the bandwidth to do both.”
• On Bravo Songs
  • Brice (24:14): “‘Don’t Be Tardy’...it’s an earworm.”
  • Tom (26:22): “That song—it used to haunt me. Now I love it.”
• On Reality TV Fatigue
  • Brice (23:19): “I watch most everything on Bravo, but have given up on some others...my household was just built for it.”

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Essential Timestamps

• 05:13: Brice Sander greets Tom Schwartz; interview begins in ET office.
• 05:40 – 07:00: Brice discusses living his dream job, realities of the entertainment journalism world.
• 07:29 – 08:36: On audience desire for drama and the balance between scandal and redemption in reality TV.
• 08:36 – 10:37: Navigating friendships with talent and maintaining journalistic integrity.
• 11:07 – 11:46: Ethical dilemmas, pressure during breaking scandals (Scandoval referenced).
• 19:25 – 21:05: Favorite current Bravo series, BravoCon scheduling insights, pop culture reflections.
• 21:22 – 22:51: Brice’s journalism education, industry practices (“stand-up,” “walk and talk” explained).
• 24:06 – 26:40: Debate over most iconic Bravo songs and theme songs.
• 27:04 – 27:35: Behind-the-scenes stories from filming intros for reality TV.

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends genuine industry insight with playful nostalgia and Bravo superfan debates. Brice Sander offers an insider’s perspective on navigating journalism in a world where TV talent, friendships, and scandal culture collide, all while keeping the tone warm, honest, and ultimately celebratory of reality TV’s wild ride.

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For Bravo fans and reality TV enthusiasts, this episode is both a peek behind the curtain and a love letter to the drama, heart, and enduring joy of the genre.

Transcript

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It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.

What is up?

Hi, how are you? How you doing there? Happy Wednesday. Fresh off the 4th of July. Happy 250th birthday, America. I see you today on the show Bryce Sander. If you don't know who that is, you probably recognize him. He's an entertainment journalist and on camera correspondent for et, where he is kind of become one of the leading voices covering reality tv, pop culture, Bravo, all that good stuff. Maybe he's a little bit of a pop culture vulture. No, he's a pop culture cockatiel. He's a beautiful soul and just lovely to be around. I always loved sitting down and chatting with him. Yeah, man. And he's very good at what he does. I wanted to take you guys to the studio. Yes. On set of et. Maybe step into his office and just check in. See what it's like being a television host and correspondent. See what it's like to be fulfilling a dream. Maybe ask him.

But you know, we already know to be true.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Does it need to bleed to lead spoiler alert.

[Tom Schwartz]

Pretty much. But yeah. A good little interview today, by the way. Canada.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

I love you, Kelowna Kamloops.

[Tom Schwartz]

I miss you. I got to spend Canada Day.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

It's like their Independence Day, July 1st.

[Tom Schwartz]

It was awesome. Shout out to Landon and Larissa.

Thank you for the wedding invitation.

Thank you for offering to let me officiate your wedding. Although I think you'd be much better off with Lisa Vanderpump. But it's such an honor. I had so much fun with you guys. Special shout out to everyone who showed up at the Canadian brew house, Kloops and Kelowna. My God. Colona.

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[Tom Schwartz]

Kelowna feels like a beautiful, joyous, heavenly place to live. It's got, like, beautiful, unique landscapes, mountains, forests, lakes, freaking beach front vineyards. I'm telling you, this is. You need this.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

You need it.

[Tom Schwartz]

It's like. Remember when Julie Andrews was twirling around in the Sound of Music?

You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah,

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

This is.

[Tom Schwartz]

That's how. That's how Kelowna feels.

Just like that.

But man, it is such a gorgeous place and I just. Yeah, man, I can't wait to go back British Columbia in general. But yeah, man, we're doing the damn thing today. We're gonna get into it with Bryce and. Yeah, I love you guys doing it. Another episode, another day. Beautiful day to be alive. All right, love you guys. Next stop, hitting the studios. Entertainment Tonight. Bryce Sander, let's go.

Should we just go? Bryce.

Hi.

[Bryce Sander]

Hi, Tom.

[Tom Schwartz]

Want to tell everybody where we are? What are we. What we're doing right now?

[Bryce Sander]

We're at my office at Entertainment Tonight, which is off.

[Tom Schwartz]

It's on Radford.

[Bryce Sander]

It's on the Radford lot in Studio City, California, AKA the Valley. The Valley, yes. We are still in the Valley.

[Tom Schwartz]

And I'm.

I feel like I'm living out your dream with you in real time, Right?

[Bryce Sander]

Yeah.

[Tom Schwartz]

Is this what you dreamed of doing? Being a correspondent, A journalist?

[Bryce Sander]

A hundred percent.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

Yeah. It's so wacky.

[Tom Schwartz]

It's so cool. It's so cool that you did it. You feel like you've. Do you feel like you've achieved?

[Bryce Sander]

I genuinely checked the box. I think my, like, advice or what I say to people anytime is you might like, you have to remember when a dream becomes reality, it's a reality. So all the, like, dreamy parts of it sometimes aren't as dreamy because it's reality. But, like, yeah, it's. I'm still very lucky. This is a such a weird, strange, crazy job to have.

[Tom Schwartz]

It really is. And I like, on your profile, it says Chief Real Housewives Correspondent.

[Bryce Sander]

Yeah, that's not a real title. People legitimately think that's, like, what my

[Tom Schwartz]

job Is that's how I think of you.

[Bryce Sander]

I mean, I'll take it. It's not a bad way to be thought of.

[Tom Schwartz]

We just had a quick chat. I feel like we've been friends for a long time, and I was like, bryce, we've been through some shit together.

[Bryce Sander]

Yeah. I've seen you through many stages of life.

[Tom Schwartz]

You really have. My God, you've seen me in all my iterations. The good, the bad, the ugly.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

More. More.

The.

[Bryce Sander]

Well, no, I think mostly good.

[Tom Schwartz]

Mostly good.

[Bryce Sander]

Honestly, I'm usually there for the celebratory moment.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

You are.

[Tom Schwartz]

I like that about you. I was watching this new show. I just started it last night. It's called the Beast in Me. Oh, the limited series on Netflix.

[Bryce Sander]

Claire Danes.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yes.

It's so good. But I don't want to go into the whole plot. There's a line that caught me. She's sitting down with her new neighbor, who is a. Who supposedly killed his wife, and she's experiencing writer block. She used to be a super successful author, and she's explaining the concept for her new book. And he's like, eh, boring. He's like, people don't want hope. They want gossip and carnage. And I was like, oh, my God, I hate that.

He's right.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

It's a sad state of reality.

[Tom Schwartz]

I mean, is that the truth of it? I know they say if it bleeds, it leads.

[Interviewer or Narrator]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

Taught in journalism school.

[Tom Schwartz]

Wait, really?

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

Not as. Like, use this as your guiding light, but it's like a lot of newsrooms operate from if it bleeds, it leads. Yeah. There's a lot of. You got to hook people usually with something that's not so pretty. But I find the Bravo fans like the mix of heavy and light.

[Tom Schwartz]

So, yeah, I love a well balanced show. If it gets too. I like the humor, of course.

We love.

I love an arc. I love a beginning, middle, and end.

[Bryce Sander]

We want to see redemption. We want to see evolution and change.

[Tom Schwartz]

I love redemption. I don't want to burn people at the pit.

[Bryce Sander]

I love.

[Tom Schwartz]

I guess I'm a reformed apologist, but some would say. But I love when people are held accountable. But I love. I truly believe in second and third and fourth and fifth chances.

[Bryce Sander]

What. What chance do you give up on somebody, though?

[Tom Schwartz]

I think 12 is my 12.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

Okay, that's.

[Tom Schwartz]

That's.

[Bryce Sander]

You got a high threshold.

[Tom Schwartz]

Okay.

I wrote down questions, but really I'm thinking, like, over the years, inevitably, you forged some pretty strong, like, friendships with people that you do interviews with. Some of the talent and stuff. Does it ever become like a conflict of interest? Have you ever had moments where you're like, God, I'm like too close to this person now. I feel guilty really, holding their feet to the fire or like, or like dishing out the hard hitting questions at the risk of violating or compromising that friendship?

[Bryce Sander]

No, like with a heavy question mark on the end. I felt that, I feel like I do a good job at like, I'm friendly with most everybody but I'm not like involved in people's lives. I've hung out socially with very few people that I've interviewed outside of just like the same events we're at and that are like, we're, it's industry kind of level stuff. So I, I had to make that decision early on. I would have say yes to a lot more things when I was younger and first starting out of like, yeah, let's go hang up. And then you kind of realize that some of these people, yes, they do want to be your friend. Others have an ulterior motive of wanting, you know, kind press. But I, I went to legit journalism school. Like I learned how to interview people. I find that I can walk the line of asking the question people want to know while also hopefully people have a good time in their interviews.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yeah, you're good at keeping it light, but then you, you're, you're, you're good at asking the hard hitting questions in a soft way. I wanted to give you a shout out for that.

[Bryce Sander]

Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, I try to approach people with like, how would you want to be asked and what. And kind of predictive. I can't predict what you're gonna say, but I might know from someone like you, who I've talked to dozens of times over a dozen years or so, like, oh, you know, Tom's probably gonna say something like this so I can set the question up in this way. Set him up in this way.

[Tom Schwartz]

It doesn't, yeah, when I sit down with you, it doesn't feel transactional.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

That's good.

[Tom Schwartz]

I feel a genuine connection with you.

[Bryce Sander]

Good.

[Tom Schwartz]

I can see that you're an empathetic, a well rounded, intelligent, only at work, but no way. On that note, you are like, you're very clearly an empathetic, compassionate, well rounded person. Do you ever feel guilty after an interview when you go home and you're like, my God, I feel kind of rotten because, you know, the best stories usually have the highest human cost. Do you ever go home and like stay up at night and think, my God, I feel Awful for just like,

[Bryce Sander]

not usually from an interview. It's more so when news breaks and there's kind of a pressure to like, start investigating what's going on. Like when Scandal happened. Trying to get in contact with a lot of you guys. Not through the, like, traditional chains of, you know, I go through a publicist and they're gonna book it. It's like, well, I gotta go straight to the source and see if they want to be a source or say anything. Those are the moments that I feel it's tougher.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

Because I like being transparent with the audience. I like on camera stuff because it's like all of anyone who's on TV's chance to say their piece.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

And get their point of view out there. And, you know, it's like there's that whole. Their truth. It's like, it might not be the truth, but it's what they want people to hear. So it's moments like that. The regrets I have after an interview are like, oh, I should have followed up with this. I should have asked that question in this way. It's more like performance. Like watching the tape back.

[Tom Schwartz]

Totally. As a former aspiring actor, I was a genius after every audition.

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[Bryce Sander]

Oh, 100%. Or like, you didn't get enough sleep the night before, so you're not, like, on it enough to keep up with somebody.

[Tom Schwartz]

Totally.

[Bryce Sander]

And so.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

No. But at this point, there's been thousands of interviews, so it's like the bulk of them went well.

[Tom Schwartz]

Without a doubt. And you've had a few, like. What's the word?

[Michelle Collins]

Titular?

[Tom Schwartz]

Or like, breakthrough pivotal interviews. Any off the top of your head that you think were like a turning

[Bryce Sander]

point in your career? Oh, that's a good question.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

It's.

[Bryce Sander]

This is. We were talking just before we started recording about, like, I guess you asked me at the top of this too, of like, this is the dream and like, living the this, like, dream you once had. And it's like, I don't know, it's like, at the end of the day, it's still just work or like, it balances out as work. So sometimes I don't think about, like, legacy impact stuff in that way. I would. Let me see if anything comes to mind.

[Tom Schwartz]

I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Cause honestly, we just did an interview and you didn't really put me on the spot.

[Bryce Sander]

I mean, I did. I'm just really good at my job.

[Tom Schwartz]

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[Tom Schwartz]

Wait. I wrote some other stock stuff down, but I kind of dislike talking with you.

[Bryce Sander]

I don't want to just keep chit chatting.

[Tom Schwartz]

I don't want to take up too much.

[Bryce Sander]

I love the time for you, Tom.

[Tom Schwartz]

I appreciate that.

[Bryce Sander]

I think the viewers need to know or the listeners need to know. You brought me unreleased Tom Tom swag and limited edition Schwartz and Sandy's shot glasses.

[Tom Schwartz]

You've always been a champion and a supporter. You've showed love for all of our restaurants. Sir pump TomTom shorts and Sandy's. Can I ask you what your favorite was?

[Bryce Sander]

Oh, I think Tom Tom is my favorite.

[Tom Schwartz]

Tom Tom Might Schwartz and Sandy's was our baby and I'm still very proud of it.

[Bryce Sander]

Only we got to shorts and Sandy's one time.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Yeah.

[Bryce Sander]

And it was early days, so I only got, like, to do, like, the taste of the menu and that kind of stuff. I don't know that I got to experience the full vibe in there.

[Tom Schwartz]

The full vibe.

[Bryce Sander]

I've been many times.

[Tom Schwartz]

Tom Tom's iconic, and I'm. I'm gonna miss it when it's gone. So I'm savoring every day that the doors are still open.

[Bryce Sander]

You're the ultimate they got. Whoever buys that place got has got to keep you on because you're the hype man. You're like, everybody come down. We're doing this, we're doing that.

[Tom Schwartz]

I love hosting. I love hosting. I love hosting on a. Matt Tom. Tom Schwartz and Sandy's. I do events all over, like, the country.

[Bryce Sander]

Yeah.

[Tom Schwartz]

I'm shocked how much I enjoy it. I think it just stems from my love of my fellow human beings.

[Bryce Sander]

You're a people person.

[Tom Schwartz]

I am a people person and a people pleaser. Reformed.

[Bryce Sander]

Reformed or reforming in the. In the process.

[Tom Schwartz]

We're all works of progress. I asked you this off mic, but favorite shows right now.

[Bryce Sander]

Favorite shows right now. If we're talking Bravo and this is not fan service. The Valley is the thing I like the most right now on Bravo. And what's currently airing, though OC premieres this week. That may supersede you guys. Season 20.

[Tom Schwartz]

That's insane. Two decades of Housewives. OC Bass.

[Bryce Sander]

Victoria Gunvalson is still around. I know.

[Tom Schwartz]

My God.

[Bryce Sander]

She was hobbling on the red carpet for their premiere because she has put off some sort of knee surgery because she was so committed to filming the show.

[Tom Schwartz]

If there ever is a Bravo Television hall of Fame, she's already in it.

[Bryce Sander]

She's a. She has the wifetime achievement award from Bravo Con.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

She does.

[Tom Schwartz]

That's right.

Wait, we have.

Well, hopefully I go, but. So Bravo Con skips every. For people who have never been. It's every other year.

[Bryce Sander]

Yes. Because. But you know the reason why I don't. So the marketing team at NBC Universal oversees, like, everything at NBC Universal. And the reason they had to skip when they moved to Vegas, because it was New York and Vegas back to back. And then they skipped the next year because that marketing team also runs the Olympics and they do not have the bandwidth to do both the Olympics and Bravo Con in one year.

[Tom Schwartz]

That makes so much sense.

I figured it was something logistically.

[Bryce Sander]

I think they've timed it out now that all the off years are like the Olympics years when they come fall into off years.

[Tom Schwartz]

And it's and I think it also helps build with anticipation and suspense. It's like the, it's like the World cup which is happening right now every four years. I'm not a big soccer fan, but when the World cup comes around, I'm chomping at the bit. I just watched the most exciting game of my life this morning before our interview. My God. Egypt and Argentina. It was insane. It was all the drama of all of the housewife reunions combined like the

[Bryce Sander]

reactions from the players like after moves and during. It's like it is housewives level tragicomedy

[Tom Schwartz]

like it really is. By the way, I think it's so you.

[Interviewer or Narrator]

So yeah, you're.

[Tom Schwartz]

You're actually a graduated journalist. You went to journalism school.

[Bryce Sander]

University of Missouri. The the country's first journalism school. Because back when somebody wanted to make a journalism school, no legitimate university thought it was a worthwhile career path. So this land grant university in the middle of Missouri took the money and. But it's, it's the first. It's considered by many the best. And I don't think I would be able to do what I do if I had not gone there.

[Tom Schwartz]

Did you always think you would end up in the entertainment world?

[Bryce Sander]

Oh yes. Like from when I went to just visit the school and meet with like the dean of the journalism school and all of that. It's like I don't want to do local news or hard news. I want to do entertainment news. Is that a path you can put me on here? And I had a great mentor. His name was Kent Collins. He's no longer with us, but he always watched out for me and was like yeah, we'll figure this out. And he my capstone which is supposed to be like your don't take my degree away, Mizzou, for saying this, like your big project, your big like here's everything I learned he my last semester or my I can't remember if it was my first or second semester of senior year. He's like I'm going to do a capstone with like just a few of you. It was just a literally a performance class. He would pop up a camera and we'd stand in front of it, do stand ups. He'd critique us. And that was like our big prove what you've learned to your class.

[Tom Schwartz]

You do a stand up bit.

[Bryce Sander]

Would you not. Not stand up comedy. Stand ups on for news are like when you see a reporter on camera talking straight to the camera. It's called a stand up industry term by the way. We just did My first ever walk and talk.

[Tom Schwartz]

What is a walk and talk?

[Bryce Sander]

For the shot, that B roll shot, which is just like a visual shot when you're watching Dateliner 2020, when they're like, you know, Rana saw everything from her window. And then you see, like, Keith Morrison walking down the street with some neighbor who he's about to sit down with. That's a walk and talk, by the way.

[Tom Schwartz]

I know you watch so many shows. Do you ever get reality TV fatigue? There's so many good shows now.

[Bryce Sander]

There's so many.

[Tom Schwartz]

How do you detox from. Just like,

[Bryce Sander]

I watch most everything on Bravo, but I've given up on some others, like, on other networks. I won't say what they are. And, I mean, my husband is a big fan of it, too. He worked in it too. So it's like, I don't know. Our household was just built for it.

[Tom Schwartz]

That's a beautiful thing.

[Bryce Sander]

But I also. I watch a lot. I've always watched a lot of tv.

[Tom Schwartz]

I do, too.

I can't keep up. There's so many good shows. Like we said earlier, I'm just about to start in the city. I'm really excited for that.

[Bryce Sander]

Get ready.

[Tom Schwartz]

And before we go, I said 10 minutes. It's 13 minutes.

[Bryce Sander]

That's okay. You can have 20.

[Tom Schwartz]

Thomas, this is perhaps the most important question of the whole interview. Okay. What is the most iconic Bravo song of all time? Is it good or gold? Or is it money can't buy you class?

Oh.

Or is it something else?

I.

Have you seen the Countess perform? Have you seen Sheena? Sheena just got back from London. She was on tour.

[Bryce Sander]

I've sadly never seen Sheena perform.

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[Bryce Sander]

She invited me to her birthday where you just. She was performing, and I couldn't make it, which I was so sad because I really wanted to see her perform. I've seen the Countess perform many times. It's kind of always the same show dressed up a little differently. I would love to see Good Is Gold live. I think Good Is Gold is up there. I think Don't Be Tardy by Kim Zolciak, which was, I think, the first entry into the canon of housewives. Songs made on the show, like, while the shows were going on, might take the cake for me just from a nostalgia factor. And it's one of those songs. It's an earworm that I just find myself randomly, you know, having, like, a moment where it's like, oh, I'm singing this out loud. Where did this come from? I don't remember. Why? She also has another song called the Ring Didn't Mean a Thing. And that. Because she goes, oh, oh, oh, oh, in that song. And that is a, like, vocal stim for me.

[Tom Schwartz]

Okay.

I don't know that one.

[Bryce Sander]

When I get cuts here, Tom.

[Tom Schwartz]

I'll play it for you guys at the end. Deep cuts. I appreciate the love, I appreciate the insight, and I appreciate you. Wait, one last thing. Most iconic theme song in Bravo history. In your opinion, it has to be

[Bryce Sander]

the Vanderpump Rules theme song.

[Michelle Collins]

You think?

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Well.

[Bryce Sander]

Cause what other theme songs are there with lyrics? I mean, Southern charm is up there. Actually.

[Tom Schwartz]

It's so good.

[Bryce Sander]

I wish they would bring back the theme songs like some of these shows. We've been introduced to theme songs. Summer House, you know, that whole thing. And then Southern hospitality. Are youe Going Out Tonight? Which I think actually Bravo. Commissioned from the same woman who wrote the Southern Charm theme song.

[Tom Schwartz]

Oh, oh, the Southern charm, I thought you were gonna say, because Dina Deedley performs Raise your Glass, the iconic Vanderpump Rules theme song. I actually met her brother who wrote the song, and he was at Schwartz and Sandy's for a night.

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[Bryce Sander]

No.

[Tom Schwartz]

And he was so sweet, so charming. And he showed me a giant rock, a big diamond. He goes, your show bought me this.

[Bryce Sander]

I was gonna say, I hope that they are living well off of the now 12 years that song has been playing. I thought maybe with the soft reboot, they were going to have somebody remix it or re record it. They should have had Sheena do it.

[Tom Schwartz]

Honestly, I thought a remix was in order. I kind of liked it.

They kept it.

I kind of wish they would have remixed it a little just to show some differentiation. But yeah, man, that song, it used to haunt me. And now I think I love it. Like, in the beginning, I didn't like it. I remember we. We were like, I don't like it. Like, at least a lot of us didn't like it in the beginning. Now I love it. I think it's iconic. It's an earworm.

[Bryce Sander]

It's an earworm. But it was such of an era of like, the Rachel Zo Project and all those shows on that all had theme songs. And then you guys, for the. For a while were the only show with a theme song and an intro.

[Tom Schwartz]

Yeah, a strong intro.

[Bryce Sander]

A strong intro. Especially those last couple seasons where they were taking a drone and flying from Schwartz and Sandys to something about her and doing all that so beautifully.

[Tom Schwartz]

It was cinema.

[Bryce Sander]

It was cinema, Bryce. And that was before that was after the slow mos. The slow mo days, I hear, were really long days.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

They were.

[Tom Schwartz]

And back in the early slow mo days, we used to, like, drink out of boredom or we'd go up the street to the little Mexican spot just north of sir, and we would have shots and then we would get reprimanded.

But.

[Bryce Sander]

Well, yeah, because you come back, you have to do a twirl with a tray, but you can't stand on two feet anymore.

[Tom Schwartz]

And there's a whole new storyline exploding that just happened at the cantinas.

[Bryce Sander]

Have to go back, the cameras have to be taken off of filming the intro to film a scene for the show.

[Tom Schwartz]

Ah, the good old days. Well, Bryce, I appreciate you. It's so good to see you.

[Bryce Sander]

So good to see you, Tom.

[Tom Schwartz]

All right, bye.

Thank you, guys. Tuning in for another episode.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Thank you, Bryce. He's doing the damn thing. I'm inspired. It's so cool being on any studio. It reminds me, just growing up, watching television movies, Entertainment Tonight.

[Tom Schwartz]

Getting to do it is just awesome on a regular basis. And I'm super grateful. Grateful for you guys.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Grateful for.

[Tom Schwartz]

Don't be tardy.

You know what?

It is very iconic. What do you guys think? Does it beat out good as gold?

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

I don't know.

[Tom Schwartz]

I don't know. Kim's was on to something with that.

I don't know.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

I didn't know it as well.

[Tom Schwartz]

Maybe I was wrong.

But I still think good as gold is peak.

All right, until next time.

Appreciate you guys.

[Podcast Co-host or Guest]

Thanks for tuning in to another episode.

[Tom Schwartz]

All right, have a good week. Bye. Detoxification complete.

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