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Fame Under Fire
Inside Rebel Wilson’s bombshell legal battle
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The Pitch Perfect star is fighting multiple lawsuits over her film, The Deb
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Sean Kent
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Hello, and welcome back to Fame Under Fire from BBC Sounds with me, Anoushka Matanda Doughty. And joining me right now is our resident trial attorney, Sean Kent, who's actually in the middle of a federal trial right now. So. Thank you, Sean.
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Sean Kent
You're more than welcome. How are you doing?
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
I'm doing good. How's it going?
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Sean Kent
It's going. We'll know better by the end of today.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
I can't stress this enough for those of you who don't watch this on YouTube, but listen, on BBC Sounds, Sean is wearing a suit where the pinstripes are made up of tiny versions of his own name. I just feel like it's my duty as a public service journalist to let.
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Sean Kent
You know that I'm a subtle guy. I'm subtle, I'm understated. It's, you know, it shows my humility. It's what I like.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
How much did that set you back?
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Sean Kent
The gross national product of Peru, give or take. So it was 100% a stupid purchase, but that's why I wear it whenever I can.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
And this coming from the man who tried to buy an elephant Purchase said elephant.
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Sean Kent
They just refused to deliver. That's a different story.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Also, can I say shout out to the girl that I saw on Halloween in the Prince of Peckham pub when I was three sheets to the wind, who Told me she's been rocking with us since the beginning of Diddy. It's so crazy to me that, like, I don't know, I know people listen to the podcast, but like, it's just lovely to see it out and about. And she was asking me loads of legal questions.
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Sean Kent
I don't know who she is, but I love you, lady.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Yeah, yeah. Big fans, Big fans. Big fan. We've got a big one today. Wildly expansive legal battle going on that spans two different countries. It's an explosive legal saga involving Hollywood, a lister Rebel Wilson and the producers and a lead actress of the movie the Deb. It involves multiple lawsuits across Australia and the US and includes claims of defamation. When aren't their claims of defamation on this program sabotage and false imprisonment as well as allegations of sexual misconduct and embezzlement. The lawsuits are really complicated and come on, this is coming from us when we used to wade our way through those 400 page Diddy lawsuits. They are really complicated. We're going to focus on the key areas of the dispute. It's starts with the producers of the DEB filing a defamation claim against Rebel in Los Angeles. Now, Sean, I'm going to walk you through this. You haven't seen this before. Usually you look at stuff before. I want to get your, you know, in real life reaction to this. So, okay, Rebel Wilson, she's an actress. You might know her from Pitch Perfect. She's been in tons of stuff. She is a proper, proper a lister. She had a theater making scholarship in Australia where she wanted to support Australian talent and it offered a one year mentorship with her and the Australian Theater for young people in 20. Hannah Riley was selected as the winner of this scholarship for her submission of the Deb. Now Rebel says that over the next three years, she helped transform Hannah Riley's brief synopsis, that's quote, brief synopsis into first draft of the film, at which point she starts looking to go and get it financed. Like typically you go to like a production house and you try and get them to buy into the movie, finance it. Enter Amanda Ghost and her husband Gregor Cameron, who own a production company called Unigram. Now Rebel alleges that Amanda G happy to finance the film but would not do it with this unknown writer Hannah Riley at the head of it. It says, quote, in a bid to procure Wilson's heavy involvement in the film, Ghost offered her a guaranteed shared writing credit with Riley. Now Rebel says that she went on to, quote, essentially assume all writing responsibilities. But when the official credits are being added she says that Amanda Ghost voided on her promise and she wasn't credited. So we've got this dispute about what Rebel is being credited with on this movie. Now, the producers say although Rebel was contracted to provide additional writing for the film, she was never promised a writing credit for the film. They also claim she's a bully who will disregard the interests of others to promote her own film and that she granted a young artist a scholarship to develop a screenplay for the deb and then tried to claim writing credit for herself. This whole dispute was taken to adjudication before the Australian Writers Guild, who ruled the credit belongs to Hannah Riley, a decision Rebels team call flawed and unjust. So what does Hannah Riley say? Because she's embroiled in this. She's a. She's a young writer. She's told Variety magazine previously what should have been a joyous experience, a dream come true, has now been overshadowed by unnecessary drama. It's heartbreaking and a baffling turn of events. And so this is kind of the backdrop of what's going on in this film. Right? My question to you, Sean, is Rebel says she had these promises made to her by Amanda Ghost, who is the producer. She says, you're going to get this joint writing credit. We want you at the hel this. We want your fingerprints all over it. But these promises were made in what Rebel terms an oral agreement, a verbal contract. I mean, I don't understand even the saying verbal contract, because isn't that just a he said, she said? If. If nobody recorded it, nobody taped it, then what the hell is a verbal contract?
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Sean Kent
Well, first of all, verbal contracts are legal at law. Like, you can make an oral contract, and they're absolutely legal. They are as enforceable as any other contract. The problem with verbal contracts is exactly what you're pointing to. How do you prove said verbal contract? And so when we have individuals come to us and say, I had a contract with X, so what we tried to do is say, well, what outside proof do you have to prove said contract? Did anybody else hear it? Was anybody else on the phone call? Do you have any extraneous information that you have acted upon the information that you are actually given? And so that's what ends up becoming hard. Like, if you think, for argument's sake, Anushka, you and I get into an agreement and I say to you, hey, I'll cut your grass for $1,000. And you say, okay. And we just say that. We shake hands, we go, and I cut your grass. And then all of a sudden, you say, well, I never promise you that. Well, that becomes the battle. And I would go to the court and say, well, why would I cut this woman's grass for free? And so those are the things that go back and forth. But yes, oral contracts are legal at law. The problem is in figuring out the terms.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
So we've got this bubbling tension in the background about this writer's credit that seems to be kind of underpinning what's going on with the movie. Then we have allegations of sexual misconduct. So the producers claim that because Rebel didn't get her way with the credit, because the Australian Writers Guild didn't find in her favor that she, quote, escalated her tantrums, they claim that she created a false and malicious tale regarding an innocent interaction between Ms. Ghost, Amanda Ghost, and the lead actress on set of this mov. Lead actress is Charlotte McInnes, and she was just 24 when she was doing this film as her first film. So in their defamation claim, they say According to Rebel, Ms. Ghost forced the actress to stay at her penthouse apartment and engaged in inappropriate behavior that made the actress feel uncomfortable. In truth, the penthouse apartment was rented for the purposes of housing members of the cast and crew for the film and contained private quarters for each resident. Additionally, the actress in question soundly denied any claims of inappropriate behavior and by Amanda Ghost or ever being made to feel uncomfortable. In Rebel's response, she says she claims Amanda Ghost and Gregor Cameron engaged in a, quote, highly inappropriate relationship with the lead actress. She alleges that Amanda ghost propositioned McInnes to stay in their apartment at Bondi beach with her for the duration of the pre recording and filming of this movie. Ghost insisted that McKenna stay with her in her room despite several people being vehemently opposed. And Wilson alleges that Charlotte McInnes, the lead actress, confided in her as the director of the film that Ghost asked me to have a bath and shower with her and it made me feel uncomfortable. Now, Rebel goes on to say in her lawsuit, at the time, this was McInnes's first film acting role, and like many other women in her position, she was forced to acquiesce to her supervisor's demands for fear of losing her job, something we've spoken about time immemorial on this program. This was a clear abuse of power, she says, akin to the, quote, casting couch behavior that is unfortunately prevalent within the TV film industry. Upon information and belief, McInnes remains captive by Ghost and Cameron as she is shuttled from city to city with them. She claims that They've made Charlotte McInnes sign an NDA in exchange for the lead role in another project. Now here's where I find this gets a little confusing. So we've had these allegations of sexual misconduct made by Rebel Wilson, the producers vehemently denying it. Charlotte McInnes, the 24 year old lead actress on in Rebels film, is now suing Rebel Wilson in Australia for defamation, saying the claims are false, malicious and damaging to her reputation and career. She explains the bath incident, saying Ghost experienced a medical episode after entering cold water at Bondi Beach. McInnes helped ghost back to her apartment where they and others were staying and helped stabilize her condition by running a hot shower and a bath for her. Both women remained in their bathing suits. The legal documents filed by Charlotte McInnes includes excerpts of texts between Rebel and Amanda Ghost about the incident. In one, Rebel says, quote, charlotte says she's all good. She just meant it was a bizarre situation, not that she personally felt uncomfortable. And in another, Ghost tells Rebel that Charlotte has said it was definitely just a misunderstanding. Sean, the producers are suing Rebel Wilson for defamation. They are actually suing her for defamation per se. And they're saying she said all of this stuff because she's, she's pissed off about not having her writer's credit. So in that defense of that, Rebels come out and said, well, this, I'm not defaming you because this is true, this is what happened.
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Sean Kent
And that is her answer because Charlotte.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Has now filed a lawsuit in Australia saying that's not what happened. So can you bring in lawsuits that are happening in another country? Oh yeah, you can do that because.
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Sean Kent
This is, this is all information. Information, Sean. This is necessary information that people who might want to bring in. Because what's happening in that lawsuit, Anushka, is the same thing. You still have depositions. All a deposition is a sworn statement. That sworn statement, no matter where it is, is a statement that's been said so it can be brought in. And so the lawyers in California will be getting in touch with the lawyers out in Australia. They'll sit down and talk and they'll bring all the information, all the discovery, all the statements.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
But Rebel saying in her lawsuit she's outlining a power imbalance. That, so she's saying, well, of course Charlotte McInnes is going to say this didn't happen. She's young, she's, she's at the beginning of her career and two powerful producers are offering her other roles as an enticement to, to not act upon what she Rebel alleges happened. So is there a mechanism within the law where you say, this person is an adult, they say this didn't happen to them. But I, as the director of this film, in this case, Rebel says she has a responsibility for her cast and crew. I know that they are in a vulnerable position, and therefore I am saying this out of protection for them because they will not say it themselves because of the context. Is there a thing there is. You're not.
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Sean Kent
Yeah, absolutely. It was your first podcast. Think about it. That it literally is your first Diddy podcast. That's the mechanism. The United States government or a prosecuting agency, if they believe that these situations are true, that's when they get involved. Rebel Wilson is not a prosecutor. She is an outside source. It doesn't matter what she personally believes. She doesn't have the right to do and come forth and say, I believe this is an awful situation, so I must get involved. I am the champion of this people. No one cares your personal beliefs or your personal opinions. That's up to the government, the prosecutors and so forth. That's the third party who can come in on behalf of vulnerable victims, not Rebel Wilson.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
But it does make sense that Rebel would be saying this in this case, because that is the defense against defamation is I know this is true, and I said it.
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Sean Kent
Truth. Truth is the absolute defense. And she say, if this is true and this happened, it is the absolute defense. The problem is, once that young lady says this did not happen, then your situation is not true anymore because you are making the. You're making the allegation that this is a forced, coerced relationship, and she's saying it is not. So the truth defense goes out of the window.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
So Charlotte denies this happens. The producers denied that this happened, and Rebel makes these allegations in her in her lawsuit and denies the claim that she's doing so out of spite because of this writing credit. Now, look, Wilson's lawsuit, Rebel Wilson's lawsuit also says this early on. And this is kind of in the preamble. I don't know if that's the right term for it. Before you get into the factual allegations where they like to tell their story and set their scene and lay out the context of this universe which this lawsuit is taking place in. It says, quote, hollywood rumors have swirled about Amanda Ghost's canny ability to. To groom young women, swooning them with gifts of glamour and promises of fame and fortune before peddling them to the ultra wealthy. Through this service, a talentless Ghost has carved her lane in the entertainment industry. Sean, in just that quote, what do you take that to mean?
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Sean Kent
I mean that is them trying to set the scene, influence other individuals. Because of course that's not evidence, you understand? Like, I mean that's not evidence. That is literally we've seen how many losses have we gone through now in which that preamble and that's an excellent way of describing it is a superfluous bit of information that is put in there to put people on notice on. This is what we think is going on, period. Because that's not evidence of anything. It doesn't change the fact that this young lady is saying it did not happen, you understand? Like she has been grooming, she has been doing this. And I'm not saying it is or isn't, but let's say it is true. It doesn't change what happened in this situation. There's young ladies and gentlemen, didn't happen to me and I haven't reported and haven't done anything. So that's how you know that this is just an extraneous bit of information that's just out there for people like me, people like you to watch, read and talk about. This is the story of the 1. As a maintenance supervisor at a manufacturing facility, he knows keeping the line up and running is a top priority. That's why he chooses Grainger. Because when a drive belt gets damaged, Grainger makes it easy to find the extension, exact specs for the replacement product he needs and next day delivery helps ensure he'll have everything in place and running like clockwork. Call 1-800-granger. Click granger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
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Sean Kent
Absolutely.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
You want to hear about that? You go and look at the dismissal of Justin Baldoni's lawsuit. You listen to our episode on that and why that got dismissed. The use of the word service in that quote and the thing that she is describing is very far away from the actual points on the timeline of these allegations. Is there a ever a leg to stand on as a defendant where you say, well in their preamble they've actually said a lot of stuff that Implies a pattern, implies, you know, in this, grooming, a service, peddling people to the ultra wealthy that is so far beyond the dot by dot allegations of what we're actually talking about, that it is defaming me in a public lawsuit and I have an issue with that. Or is anything you write in a lawsuit automatically protected?
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Sean Kent
Not automatically protected. At the end of every lawsuit, Anushka, we have something called a verification. And in the verification one, you require the client to sign it until the lawyer has to sign it. And what the lawyer is saying is, under our oath as lawyers, in almost every state, there is a requirement that you must have a good faith belief on why you have said the information you have said inside of your lawsuit. So. And it doesn't mean that it has to be true. Okay? Make that clear. You must have a good faith belief in what you have put inside of your lawsuit. So if it turns out to be false, these lawyers will later say, well, we had a good faith belief. Maybe Amy. I'm sorry, maybe Rebel told us that this information had. And this. And I believe it. And so based upon that, the lawyer can say, I have a good faith belief because my client told me it is accurate. And that's all that's really required. You just can't lie. Now, if it turns out you are boldly lying and know you're lying, yes, you have a problem. But if you have a good faith rational belief based upon information that this could be true, then you have no problems.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Okay, so we've got the writing dispute, the credit dispute, the allegations of sexual misconduct. Rebel alleges that Cameron and Ghost and executive producer Vince Holden, who's also a defendant, were also embezzling money from the movie. They flat out deny this. She also says at one point she was imprisoned in a room by Cameron with two local producers and forced to sign several documents under duress, which they once again also deny. The lawsuit alleges. Okay, this is the imprisonment. This is in Rebels lawsuit. Quote, before Cameron would let them out, he demanded that all three producers sign a document titled Producers Meeting Minutes in relevant part. This document claimed that, number one, Wilson had no specific allegations of inappropriate behavior by producer Amanda Ghost. Rather, it is Rebel's opinion that there may have been inappropriate behavior, but it is her private opinion. And, and remains that that is what Rebel says was on the document that she signed. I want to make that clear. That is what Rebel says. If that is true, how the hell does that help Ghost and Cameron and Holden or anybody, any of the defendants in that? Because it acknowledges that this was her true and honest belief of what was going on, but that it was a private opinion. But that surely is a defense against defamation.
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Sean Kent
Absolutely. And I mean, and before I go too far, and I would love to see the document because I'm sure normally that would be put inside of the lawsuit. And so I'd love to see that document before I give some type of cursory opinion on it, because I think that would be very interesting. And then when that's coupled with the false imprisonment allegations, which are strong allegations, as you understand, you can't just throw those type of allegations out boldly. So you better have some strong facts on that. But it is as simple as secreting it, not letting somebody out of the room, locking the door, confining so they're uncomfortable and can't get out. So that's a strong allegation. I would love to see that document. Because if she's saying I was forced to sign it, didn't want to sign it, then of course the document has no merit whatsoever.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
You talk there about false imprisonment. False imprisonment don't make no sense to me. Why. Why do they call it false if you're saying you actually were imprisoned? What's false?
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Sean Kent
Well, false imprisonment is. And the reason they say it false is you don't have a right to imprison that person. Like a proper imprisonment is. When law enforcement, you are, you know, when some of our clients are arrested, they can't claim false imprisonment. It's like, no, they arrested you. You were properly imprisoned. False imprisonment is when. If the cops knocked your door in right now and locked you up and you didn't do anything wrong, your claim is, I was falsely imprisoned. I did nothing wrong. You shouldn't have locked me up in Rebel Situation. If you locked that door, you had no right to imprison me and not let me out. I did nothing wrong.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Well, let's make it clear once again that they completely deny all of this.
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Sean Kent
Completely denied, yes.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
But in July 2024, Rebel posted the allegations on Instagram, and we have a clip of that. I won't be threatened. I will speak the truth and, you know, warn people about these people in the industry who are just not behaving ethically. And shortly after that Instagram post, Ghost, Cameron and Holden filed a defamation lawsuit against Wilson in Los Angeles. They call her a bully. They say she has a history of fabricating false and malicious lies to hide her own lack of professionalism. Sean, you touched on this a little bit earlier, but they're actually suing for defamation per se. Could you just remind, remind us the difference between defamation and defamation per se.
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Sean Kent
If it is defamation per se. If there are certain things that you. That under the law there are certain things you just should not say about somebody, that damages are presumed. Okay. There are certain things. If you say we know it's going to hurt someone's reputation, so the damages are absolutely presumed and that's what defamation per se, you have been damaged. We don't know the amount of the damages. But you. If it has said and we prove those elements and it is per se, those damages are assumed. So we can go to the jury and say this happened. Let's talk about how much money is owed in a defamation case. Just a regular defamation, being disrespectful to somebody, if you will. The damages are not presumed. So the big difference is damages.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
The last time we spoke about defamation per se, people will remember was in the dismissed but now being brought back again by Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Drake beef that's made its way to the courts. The defamation per se there is that Kendrick was accusing Drake of having a sexual attraction to minors. Certified lover boy, Certified pedophile.
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Sean Kent
What? What, what, what?
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
I am no judge or jury, but you call somebody a pedophile on a world stage, I can understand how that lines up with defamation per se. In this case, the allegations of sexual misconduct are. Taking a bath in a shower together, propositioning a 24 year old actress to move into your penthouse. Do you feel like that meets up to the bar for per se defamation?
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Sean Kent
Yes, it does. And I love, I mean, and we don't put, we don't weight them, but exactly. As you just mentioned, the Kendrick Drake beef and whatever happens to it, people out there specifically, we all know it, we know the song, we have joked about it, everybody has talked about that. So that's why we say there's certain things, if you say it about somebody, they are defamed. Now do I think it's to that level? No, because that was on a world. I mean that was massive and that is a massive allegation. But it could get to the same point because the things that she is saying, the grooming behavior, all of these other situations, that's them saying this is what they do. That is defamation per se. The real question is what are the damages.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
I should probably say at the end of that that Drake denies being a pedophile and attracted to minors.
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Sean Kent
I mean he has denied it, denied the allegations. That lawsuit is what it is and that's why he's fighting so hard because he's saying. And that's what. And I'm glad you said that. He's denying it and we understand why he would deny it and he has the right to deny it. But there are certain things, once you say them, they can't be owned. Wrong. And that's why we have defamation, per se. Same thing in this situation, because the second you say it, it can't be unwrong.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
And that Rebel is also being sued in Australia. I hope someone's keeping a tally of these by one of the production companies, AI Films. They accuse her of deliberately sabotaging the Australian release of the film and say her defamatory claim have caused them financial and reputational damage. Rebel denies all the allegations. She sent us a statement. She said the lawsuits are part of. She said the lawsuits are part of spiteful, ongoing retaliation against her for speaking out. And she was looking forward to giving her full evidence in court. She says, I am looking forward to audiences around the world seeing this movie eventually because it is such a joyful and empowering movie that I put my heart and soul into for five years. When people see the movie, they will clearly see this. But now I've got a big title for the next section of this called Smear Campaigns, because both sides of this are alleging smear campaigns. Rebel says in her complaint that upon information and belief, Ghost recently contacted people in both the film and music industry because we know she's in a music business, too. You heard those vocals in Pitch Perfect, offering them enticements to spread false and malicious gossip about Wilson and offer support for Ghosts in public forums. She says Boy George was one of the those people and. And here's a video he actually posted to Instagram.
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Sean Kent
As a rule, I stay out of other people's dramas, but when it's your friend and someone you love, someone you consider family, someone that your godfather to their child, my friend Amanda Ghost and her husband, Gregor Cameron, have been accused of outrageous and painfully untrue things by the actress Rebel Wilson. I know that these things aren't true and I just can't sit here and listen to this and listen to the comments that people are making without knowing any information.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Now, we approached Boy George for a comment. We haven't heard back yet. Amanda Ghost has filed more allegations of defamation not only against Wilson, but against PR companies allegedly working on Rebel Wilson's behalf. The claim is. And this is where I find this is like the multiverse of madness over here. The claim is that in the discovery of the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni lawsuit. If you want to know, get to know. Listen to the program. In that case, emails came to light that appeared to show crisis and PR manager Melissa Nathan that she'd been asked by Rebel Wilson to set up websites www.amandagost.com and. And amandagostucks.com. she alleges that various posts on these sites were defamatory of her, including ones which said that Amanda Ghost was the, quote, Indian Ghislaine Maxwell and a, quote, madam for one of the world's richest men. The lawsuit says Amanda Ghost lawsuit says the. The cruel and outrageous nature of these lies is undeniable, and they are also racist and insulting. Sean. I mean, that's a little crazy, right? For the discovery in another really high profile case to be impacting this case over here, or does that happen all the time?
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Sean Kent
Well, this goes what you were talking about earlier. And that great question about bringing the stuff in from the Australian lawsuit. Can it be used for this lawsuit? It's the same situation. This is all incestuous, if you will. Everybody's looking through everybody's lawsuits to find any information that could help them out. A lot of these lawsuits are public, and we always find information and morsels that we can use because what ends up happening? The best way to catch somebody off guard is to find them asking questions about something they don't expect. You know what I'm saying? So if they're talking about the Baldoni lawsuit and something slips in, they're like, oh, nobody will ever worry about that. And that's how you get some good information. So that's not strange. It's actually good lawyering.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
To me, it was just like, whoa, what the hell is going on out of nowhere, though.
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Sean Kent
That's just crazy. Yes. And I love the multiverse of madness reference. Well done.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
I'm. Come on.
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Sean Kent
I don't know if anyone caught that.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
But thank you very much.
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Sean Kent
I was just like. I was almost to say that's kind of strange.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Oh, and you're not even a father with those dad jokes. My goodness.
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Sean Kent
Well done.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Well, look. Rebel Wilson's legal team have asked the court to strike Amanda Ghost. Ghost's claim, they say to be abundantly clear. Wilson had nothing to do with the websites. Neither Wilson nor anyone acting at her direction asked for, authorized, or caused the websites to be created. Wilson never even suggested to anyone that she wanted the websites to be created. Wilson likewise has nothing to do with the preparation of the website's content. The entire premise of Ghost's cross complaint is wrong. Now we approached all the parties for a right of reply. A spokesperson for the producers, Amanda Ghost, Gregor Cameron and Vince Holden, as well as the actress Charlotte McInnes, and said they would not be providing a statement at this point. Sean, I know I've got to let you go and do closing. She's got to go and do his closing arguments in a federal case. That hobby thing that he does when.
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Sean Kent
That other thing that I do from time to time when you're not doing.
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Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Your proper job, that thing you run around doing. But thank you so much for listening to that and. And helping me figure out.
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Sean Kent
It's actually fascinating. And this is the thing that, you know, and I love this podcast and love what you guys do because it lets people demystify the law and understand that it's actually way more interest than people give it credit for. And I love it. It makes me excited because these lawsuits, even me hearing them just now and seeing the piggyback, the interchange of these lawsuits, I think it's fascinating.
- [28:28]
Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Just because you're a nerd.
- [28:30]
Sean Kent
I am an absolute nerd. Let's make that perfectly clear.
- [28:33]
Anoushka Matanda Doughty
And hey, look, being a nerd pays well, let me tell you.
- [28:36]
Sean Kent
Hey, you guys, keep being those high school jocks. Let me know how that works out for you.
- [28:43]
Anoushka Matanda Doughty
Thank you so much, Sean. Good luck. You don't need it. You don't need it. But good luck for your closure.
- [28:47]
Sean Kent
I'll definitely let you know how it goes. Thank you all so much for having me. Much appreciate.
- [28:51]
Anoushka Matanda Doughty
That was our resident trial attorney, Shawn Kent, joining us from South Carolina. And that's it for this episode of Fame Under Fire. Make sure you send me any questions you have on social media. It's Anushkamd on Instagram and TikTok. And make sure you subscribe and turn on your push notifications on BBC Sounds so you never miss a thing. It's not funny. It's true. Lily Allen and Makita Oliver and Keats, I've got some questions for you, BBC Sounds.
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