
Jury say they’re concerned one member can’t follow court’s instructions
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Anoushka Mutandadouati
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Sakshi Venkatraman
Outside the UK BBC Sounds Music Radio podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Diddy on Trial from BBC Sounds with me, Anoushka Mutandadouati. And here in New York, the evidence has all finished. Now all there is left is for a verdict to be reached at the Southern District of New York Court. The jury has gone out in the trial of Sean Diddy Combs, who's charged with sex trafficking, transportation for prostitution and racketeering with conspiracy. These are charges he has consistently denied. Now it's 5:30pm the jury have been dismissed for the day, and I'm here with the BBC's New York digital reporter, Sakshi Venkatraman. Hi, Sakshi.
Hi, Anushka. Thanks for having me back.
Now, this is a new thing that we're experiencing here. This is the first day of jury deliberations. Just remind us of the five counts that are in this trial.
Right. So they went over these counts in detail today as Judge Aaron Subrabanyan was instructing the jury on how to interpret the law. So the first count is racketeering. And under racketeering, there are eight predicate offenses, including bribery, arson, obstruction of justice, sex trafficking, which is confusing because the next count is, on its own, sex trafficking of Cassie Ventura and then transportation for prostitution of Cassie and others. The third count is sex trafficking again of Jane, and the fourth count is transportation of prostitution. And. And the fifth count is transportation for prostitution of Jane and others.
So there's a lot for the jury to think about there. But one thing they're not supposed to think about is why did he was charged. They're not supposed to think about how long the trial has taken. What are they supposed to actually focus on? What is their core job here?
Yeah. So if you'll remember in closing statements, a couple of days ago, Mark Agniphilo made a point of saying that Diddy was targeted by the government. The government was quick to object to that, and Judge Subramanian took their side and told the jury to disregard that. So, in essence, the jury are just being asked here to determine if the government has met the burden of proof to convict Diddy of these crimes that he's being charged with. They don't necessarily need to convict him with all of these crimes.
And I thought today was going to be pretty quiet, to be honest. I thought they were going to go, they were going to deliberate. They'd leave at 5 and we wouldn't hear anything until tomorrow. But just an hour into deliberations, they sent the Court. A note. What was that all about?
Yeah, so it's important to note that the first thing they do, the 12 jurors, when they get back there, is they elect a. Who's the spokesperson for the jury? That's the person who will deliver the verdict to the court and communicate with the judge and communicate with the court if anything goes on. About an hour into deliberation, the foreperson sent a note to the judge saying that one of the jurors, juror number 25, cannot follow your honor's directions. And this was a moment that threw us off. We weren't expecting this so early into deliberation. And it caused this debacle between the parties of how to respond to that and how much information to try to get from them.
And Diddy's defence are pretty vocal about what they think should happen. Mark Agniflo basically said, it's been an hour. Try and move past it. Is that something that the judge adopted as how they should move forwards, or did he say something different?
Yeah, so that's pretty much how they went forward. The judge originally suggested trying to get more information. Mark Ignivolo suggested telling them to work it out and move on, and they kind of ended up doing the latter. I think, in terms of the specifics of the note they sent back, the government and Ignifolo talked it through and came to some sort of compromise. But the essence of what they said was, it's only been an hour. Let's move on.
And then we had another note towards the latter half of the day, but this time it was pertaining to specific instructions they'd be given. They wanted some clarity. Right.
So the note that they gave the second time, the question was, if somebody asks for drugs and another person hands it to them, is that distribution? And the answer to that, legally, that the prosecution wanted to make clear, is, yes, that's the case. So now they're figuring out at the end of the day how to respond to this in the morning.
Yeah. And once again, we have one of those things where they're arguing about the phraseology of what they're going to respond to the jurors, because the prosecution want to say yes and then follow on with specific instructions. Whereas Mark Igniflo, he wants to take a pause, talk to his team, and get back to the jury in the morning of what they want to do. But we've heard this before, like there's complete arguments that go on about whether it says guilty first or not guilty first. You know, now they're arguing about whether the word yes should come at the beginning of the sentence or whether they should answer in another way. That's just how much detail is being paid to each specific juror instruction. Now we don't have a verdict. So what's happening tomorrow?
Tomorrow, deliberation will continue. Judge Subramanian instructed the jurors just to get there at 8:45 in the morning and go directly to the jury room where they're going to continue deliberation. And hopefully at some point they will get the answer to their drug distribution question.
Sakshi, thank you so much for filling us in today.
Thank you for having me.
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Diddy On Trial: Jury Sent Out to Decide Diddy's Verdict
Episode Release Date: June 30, 2025
Host: Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty
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In the pivotal episode titled "Jury Sent Out to Decide Diddy's Verdict," BBC Sounds' Diddy On Trial delves into the high-stakes federal trial of Sean 'Diddy' Combs. Hosted by Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty, the episode captures the tense atmosphere as the jury begins deliberations in the Southern District of New York Court. This summary breaks down the key discussions, legal intricacies, and unexpected developments that unfolded during the episode.
The episode opens with Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty setting the stage for the trial's crucial phase—jury deliberations. Diddy Combs stands accused of multiple serious offenses, all of which he vehemently denies. Sakshi Venkatraman, BBC's New York digital reporter, provides a detailed rundown of the five counts against Diddy:
Sakshi emphasizes the complexity of these charges, noting that "there's a lot for the jury to think about there" (01:33), highlighting the multifaceted nature of the case.
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the jury's primary role. Anoushka and Sakshi explore what the jurors are mandated to consider, especially in light of potential external influences or conspiracy theories surrounding the trial. Sakshi clarifies:
"the jury are just being asked here to determine if the government has met the burden of proof to convict Diddy of these crimes that he's being charged with" (01:45).
This underscores the importance of impartiality, ensuring that personal biases or external narratives do not sway the jury's decision.
The episode takes a dramatic turn when, just an hour into deliberations, a complication arises. Sakshi reports:
"the foreperson sent a note to the judge saying that one of the jurors, juror number 25, cannot follow your honor's directions" (02:23).
This unforeseen issue disrupts the anticipated flow of deliberations. Anoushka and Sakshi discuss the immediate fallout:
Defense's Stance: Mark Agniphilo, representing the defense, advocates for continuity despite the hiccup. He urges, "it's been an hour. Try and move past it" (02:57), suggesting that minor disruptions should not derail the process.
Judicial Response: Initially, Judge Subrabanyan considered obtaining more information about the juror's incapacity. However, influenced by the defense's position, the judge leans towards maintaining the trial's momentum by addressing the issue pragmatically.
Sakshi elaborates on the resolution:
"the government and Igniflo talked it through and came to some sort of compromise. But the essence of what they said was, it's only been an hour. Let's move on" (03:10).
As the day progresses, another layer of complexity is added. The jury seeks clarity on specific legal definitions, particularly concerning drug distribution. Sakshi details:
"if somebody asks for drugs and another person hands it to them, is that distribution? And the answer to that, legally, that the prosecution wanted to make clear, is, yes, that's the case" (03:42).
This query is pivotal as it directly impacts the interpretation of evidence related to the charges. The prosecution aims to solidify their stance, ensuring the jury comprehends the legal nuances accurately.
The episode highlights the meticulous nature of jury instructions. Both the prosecution and defense engage in a detailed debate over the phrasing of specific instructions to ensure clarity and prevent ambiguity in the jury's interpretation. Sakshi notes:
"they're arguing about whether the word yes should come at the beginning of the sentence or whether they should answer in another way" (04:01).
This level of detail underscores the high stakes of the trial, where every word can influence the jury's understanding and, ultimately, the verdict.
As the episode concludes, Anoushka and Sakshi discuss the roadmap for the following day. With deliberations ongoing, the jurors are instructed to reconvene at 8:45 AM to continue their deliberations in the jury room. Sakshi provides a hopeful outlook:
"hopefully at some point they will get the answer to their drug distribution question" (04:33).
The anticipation builds as listeners are left to ponder the potential outcomes and how the jury will navigate the remaining complexities of the case.
"Diddy On Trial" masterfully captures the uncertainty and procedural intricacies of a high-profile federal trial. Through insightful reporting and expert analysis, the episode offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of the legal battles faced by Sean 'Diddy' Combs. As the jury deliberates, the podcast ensures that its audience remains informed and engaged, awaiting the monumental verdict that could reshape the narrative surrounding one of the most influential figures in the music industry.
Notable Quotes:
Sakshi Venkatraman (01:45): "the jury are just being asked here to determine if the government has met the burden of proof to convict Diddy of these crimes that he's being charged with."
Mark Agniphilo (02:57): "it's been an hour. Try and move past it."
Sakshi Venkatraman (03:42): "if somebody asks for drugs and another person hands it to them, is that distribution? And the answer to that, legally, that the prosecution wanted to make clear, is, yes, that's the case."
Note: This summary encapsulates the core discussions and developments from the episode up to the 5:37-minute mark, deliberately omitting advertisements, promos, and non-content segments as requested.