Apple AirPods Pro 3: Translation, Heartbeats, and Weird Science | E20 | Diggnation

Summary

Diggnation (Rebooted): “Apple AirPods Pro 3: Translation, Heartbeats, and Weird Science” | Episode 20 (September 22, 2025)

Episode Overview

Diggnation returns after a 15-year hiatus, with hosts Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht diving into the tech and internet stories that are catching their attention. In this episode, they review the newly announced Apple AirPods Pro 3, discuss their take on mindfulness in a hyper-connected era, roast the latest Meta AI glasses demo, break down the flood of new Apple products, and debate whether the internet can ever be “fun again.” All served up in the show’s trademark irreverent, couch-surfing banter.

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Main Discussion Segments & Timestamps

1. New Studio, Mindfulness, & Phone Addiction (00:40–09:13)

• Studio moves: The guys recount being kicked out of their WeWork-adjacent office and now recording from Alex's new ADU (Accessory Dwelling Unit) turned studio.
• Personal artifacts: Kevin gives a tour of his meditation pad, Japanese artifacts, and Susan Kare's signed Mac icon art (“Piece of history” – Kevin, 03:25).
• Mindfulness & phone addiction: Discussion about always being online, even during mundane moments; both admit to doomscrolling during bathroom breaks and TV commercials.
  • “I started doing this thing ... even when I go pee, I’ll take my phone out looking at Instagram.” – Alex, 04:37
  • “It’s a lost art at this point, sadly. ... That just used to be what we did.” – Kevin, 06:00
• Social media’s mental load: Comparing different algorithm feeds – political vs. hobby-centric – and its impact on mood.
  • “The machine that exists is encouraged by making you angry and afraid. That is how it keeps you engaged. ... That is people stealing time from you you’ll never get back.” – Alex, 07:34

2. Meditation, Wellness Gadgets, and Audiophile Geeking (09:13–14:00)

• Gadgets for wellness: Show and tell with light therapy face masks, skin peptide creams (One Skin), and “Nothing” headphones with touch controls.
• Skepticism around wellness trends: Kevin notes his investment in One Skin but suggests, “look at the studies, don’t just buy it because I said to” (12:09).
• Routine stacking: Plan for “perfect” relaxation – peptides, massage mask, headphones, and being present in the moment.

3. Catching Up, Meetups, and Calendar Nihilism (14:15–18:38)

• San Francisco Digg meetup: Anecdotes about reconnecting with the Digg community, plans for a Chicago stopover, and favorite local pizza (Pequod’s).
• Contrasting lifestyles: Show-off between Kevin’s jam-packed calendar and Alex’s “one entry: Diggnation.”
  • “Why am I still working and you just get to chill?” – Kevin, 18:37
  • “You gotta grab life by the nut sack when you get it.” – Alex, 18:32

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Deep Dive: Apple AirPods Pro 3 and Fall Apple Event (18:52–36:49)

AirPods Pro 3 Early Impressions (18:52–22:36)

• Key features discussed:

  • Real-time in-ear language translation (“We’re getting to the Holy Grail!” – Alex, 20:15)
  • Built-in heart rate sensor and fitness tracking directly from the AirPods
  • Live translation as a game changer for travel
  • Noise canceling and fit still divisive (Alex mentions odd sensations with earbuds)

• Demo/test: An informal live “hearing test” between the hosts, revealing their “hearing age.”

iPhone Air and More Apple Tidbits (22:36–36:49)

• iPhone Air initial reactions:

  • Both hosts picked one up; neither wants to use a phone case for aesthetic reasons.
  • Color choices riff: “I call it morning wood.” – Alex, 26:09
  • Nostalgia for the original MacBook Air media event.

• Accessory spotlight: MagSafe wallets, Coinbase credit cards, digital IDs, travel hacks with PointsMe.

• Laptop rumors: Touchscreen Macs and MacBooks running on iPhone processors — speculation that Apple is setting up for hyper-thin, ARM-powered devices.

  • “If I had something half as thin with double or triple the battery life ... done.” – Kevin, 37:38

Show-within-a-show: The “Sky” Custom Alarm Demo (31:10–35:17)

• Demo of “Sky” (alpha): AI alarm that gives a personalized, spoken briefing in the morning, combining calendar events, email, Spotify, and life admin reminders.
  • “Imagine that’s six weeks. In a year, that’ll be fully dialed into you.” – Kevin, 35:03
  • Alex: “… I would be very stressed if that’s how I woke up every morning” (34:10)

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Tech & Lifestyle Fails: Meta AI Glasses Demo, Samsung Smart Fridge Ads (43:31–58:28)

Meta AI Glasses & Augmented Reality Skepticism (43:31–54:29)

• Meta’s new Ray-Ban glasses: Hosts reflect on the social discomfort of face-computers and privacy skirmishes since Google Glass.
• Live meta demo fail: Showcased AI failed to assist with a cooking demo (“The Wi-Fi might be messed up” blamed, but actually just a bad answer, not network-related). [51:11]
  • “AI said ‘you’ve already combined the ingredients.’ ... It wasn’t like, ‘I can’t talk to the Internet’.” – Kevin, 52:55
• Tech critique:
  • Moments are new digital currency (attention is being further mined).
  • Dystopian vision: Devices steal every idle moment of your day.
  • Photo-editing AI erasing reality: “That’s the perfect version of that moment … but that’s not the moment that happened.” – Alex, 50:08

Samsung Smart Fridges Will Show Ads (55:12–58:57)

• Confirmed: Samsung’s $1,800+ smart refrigerators to run ads on the built-in screens (even after initial purchase via software updates).
  • “Talk about stealing time from you. You walk by the kitchen, you’re seeing a KFC ad.” – Alex, 57:33
• Pushback expected: The guys note the absurdity and looming backlash as companies try to find new “surface area” for advertising.

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Community & Meta Conversations: Making the Internet Fun Again? (61:48–69:05)

• Audience Q&A (via Digg user florp): Is it possible to make the internet fun again, given the 2020s climate?
  • Kevin: Digg is trying to re-create positive, niche-based community spaces, but the boundaries of “politics” now spread into every topic.
  • Future plans include using AI to auto-moderate feeds, allow users to filter (or expose themselves to) contentious topics, and create a choose-your-own-content experience.
    • “One of the things that’s nice about AI is you can say, ‘AI, I want to task you with removing all politics-type banter from my feed’.” – Kevin, 63:43
  • Transparent discussion about trial-and-error in new features, aiming to create something meaningfully different from Reddit.

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Memorable Quotes & Funny Moments

• “You've got to grab life by the nut sack when you get it.” – Alex, 18:32
• “You get your morning wood iPhone – that’s the new color.” – Alex, 26:09
• “It’s not called the Face Fucker — we called it that!” – Kevin, 13:27
• “We’re getting to the Holy Grail – universal translator from Star Trek!” – Alex, 20:15
• “The machine that exists is encouraged by making you angry and afraid ... that is people stealing time from you you’ll never get back.” – Alex, 07:34
• “The moments between looking at your phone and picking up your phone again– these glasses are trying to take that moment from you!” – Alex, 47:29
• “That’s the perfect version of that moment … but that’s not the moment that happened.” – Alex, 50:08

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Miscellaneous Gems & Lighthearted Banter

• Childhood pranks reminisced: doorbell-ditching, toilet papering, and egging (74:14–78:45).
• “Slug rings” prank: Incidents of an apartment doorbell being rung by a slug, not teens – causing police confusion (74:14).
• Group gaming as modern bonding (“playing video games with friends still feels like hanging out” – Alex, 79:09).
• Kevin confesses to hiding tech purchases from his spouse using Monarch Money “hide” features (72:05).

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Notable Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---------|-------|-----------| | Intro, Studio Tour & Mindfulness | Life updates, mindfulness, gadget talk | 00:40–09:13 | | Gadget Demos & Meditation | Wellness, headphones, routine | 09:13–14:00 | | Reconnecting with Digg community | Meetups, calendars, lifestyle | 14:15–18:38 | | AirPods Pro 3, Apple Event | Live translation, heart rate, Apple gear | 18:52–36:49 | | “Sky” AI alarm demo | Personal AI assistant | 31:10–35:17 | | Meta AI Glasses, Demos | AR skepticism, tech fails | 43:31–54:29 | | Samsung Fridge Ads | Tech overreach, smart appliances | 55:12–58:57 | | Q&A: “Making the Internet Fun Again?” | Community, AI moderation | 61:48–69:05 | | Childhood Pranks & Wrap-up | Doorbell slug, pranking, sign-off | 74:14–80:49 |

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

The episode is marked by an easy “friends-on-the-couch” vibe: irreverent, wry, and (still) sharply nerdy. Kevin and Alex blend thoughtful discussion on attention economics, AI, and community design with classic Diggnation humor and self-deprecation.

Bottom Line: The internet may be noisier, technologies weirder, and privacy at even greater risk, but Diggnation’s mission remains—find the fun, skewer the pretentious, and (maybe) build better digital communities, one inside joke at a time.

Transcript

[A]

Did you toilet paper people?

[B]

I didn't. You didn't? I don't think so.

[A]

Oh, we gotta do that tonight, dude.

[B]

Coming up on this show, Meta is trying to steal every moment of your life. And I don't know what's happening with Kevin.

[A]

Welcome to dignation.

[B]

Also potentially hazardous to your health.

[A]

All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house?

[B]

I've noticed this earlier, California and I have screwed. You put zombie and you put eerie.

[A]

In the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com.

[B]

Hello everybody and welcome to Dig Nation. Episode number 20. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[A]

And I'm Kevin Rose. Dig Nation covers some of the hottest user submitted stories on the social news website dig.com, that's-dot com.

[B]

Kevin, what is on your face?

[A]

Well, it's a great question. I have multiple devices on my face.

[B]

Is this how you just spend your evenings now?

[A]

Exactly. We are actually. Well, we have a sad story. Oh, what? Well, not a sad story. We got kicked out of our place.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Yeah. So we. What did you guys think?

[B]

I assumed it had something to do with your mask.

[A]

No, no, no. It's like I had a facial scar that I need to. No, it's.

[B]

Yes, we did.

[A]

So Dig was at Neuhaus. We can say it now because we're no longer there. And Neuhaus filed for bankruptcy. It was kind of like a WeWork plus plus. Yeah, nicer. WeWork.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they went out of business, so we got kicked out. We got what, 72 hours notice. Something like 48 hours. 36 hours. 36 hours.

[B]

36 hours notice. That's crazy.

[A]

So quickly moved out. We right now are in my adu.

[B]

Your new house is adu?

[A]

I don't even know what ADU means. I don't. I just realized I have no idea.

[B]

Dwelling unit.

[A]

Ah, there we go.

[B]

Or is it additional? I guess it's additional.

[A]

I guess so.

[B]

Or auxiliary dwelling unit. Anyway, we'll find out.

[A]

Yeah. Ancillary. No.

[B]

Ancillary.

[A]

Yeah, maybe. No, it is. It is. Good lord. It's kind of additional is better. Yeah, it's kind of like a accoutrement or an accompaniment dwelling unit.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So this is. We got a place. Our house had burned down. Rest in peace. I'm done milking that. And we got. We got a place on the west side of la and it came with a dwelling unit. So I've turned this into a little office studio. Office studio. Kevin's in trouble with his wife. He might sleep Here sometimes. Situation.

[B]

Yes, the situation room.

[A]

So this is. We'll give you a little tour. Mal can show you some things like my little meditation pad, my cute little Buddha, my little incense holder which is very nice. I just got this from Japan.

[B]

Very nice.

[A]

My stereo system here, which you can see is quite nice.

[B]

It's very tubular.

[A]

I do like a little tube based stereo system.

[B]

I know we heard it before.

[A]

It was, it's.

[B]

I mean it's butter.

[A]

It sounds good. I got a Susan Carr original signed little graphic here. And this was actually one that she did for Steve Jobs back in the day. So Susan was the creator of the original Mac icons on the first Mac. Yeah, she's still alive. I think she's in her late 70s now. And the cool thing about this is that you can pick these up in limited numbers. I think she signs like 300 of them or something like that on her website. And they're like between three to seven hundred dollars. So they're not crazy. You can get one of the assigned prints from her.

[B]

It's like a piece of history.

[A]

It's a piece of history.

[B]

Especially if you're a Mac.

[A]

Exactly. This right here is a piece of temple from Japan. And this is.

[B]

You stole it?

[A]

I stole it. Last time was in Japan? No, they were breaking down the temple and they were kind of like, I don't know what they were doing with temple but they're getting rid of it and they had chunks of it they were selling off. That's so cool. And so this was a place where Basho, who's a very famous. I was going to say Zen, not Zen. The very famous Japanese haiku poet used to kind of practice there. And you know, it was one of those things where I was like, that's so beautiful. I have to get that. And I had it shipped from Japan and it's here now.

[B]

I love it. And I got to see some of your nano.

[A]

Nanoblocks. Yes. My first cherry blossom.

[B]

I didn't realize. I mean, I know you had sort of tried to make it.

[A]

Tell me what happened when we touched it.

[B]

Well, first off, we touched it and the cherry blossoms fell off. And Kevin immediately was like, oh, oh no. And he was like, you're supposed to be able to move it. And he goes, oh God. Oh no.

[A]

And then it took me like five min. Alex is like, hold on, let me help you. And it's like two guys in their 40s sitting there.

[B]

It was a very meditative moment.

[A]

Isn't nice?

[B]

Yeah, it was very nice. It's like I get having, like, a place to go. I've been. Heather and I have been talking about this whole concept of, like, not necessarily mindfulness, you know what I mean? But just the lack of use of phone. Like, I just feel like I'm just constantly. Like, there's no period of time where, like, I started doing this thing and I don't think it's very healthy where, like, when I even go pee in the toilet, I'll take my phone out and start looking at Instagram.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say you were doing that as, like, a meditation practice. Like, circles around the.

[B]

I should. That's what I should be doing, you know, instead of looking at my fucking phone every time I piss.

[A]

Well, they say that hemorrhoids are on the rise right now. I'm not joking. They said millennials are getting more hemorrhoids.

[B]

Than ever because they're spending so much time on the.

[A]

On the shitter, sitting there flexing while they're surfing the Internet.

[B]

I mean, tiktoking. I don't. I don't. I. It's. It's hard, man. It's hard. I get to this point now when we'll, like, watch the Dodger game, and the moment it goes to a commercial, I press mute and I take my phone out and I'm instantly scrolling. Dude, I have to stop. I have to stop.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I had so thinking of, like, doing, like, having a place to, like, go and just sit and do lego. Like, it would be very hard for me. And my mind, I think, would be, like, playing tricks. Like, I'm not very good at being alone with my thoughts. Not that my thoughts are bad. I just. I get so fucking bored.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just, like. So. Even on the way over here, when I was driving over, I was like, you know what? I'm gonna fucking not listen to the radio. I'm just gonna drive and think. It was very weird.

[A]

No, but it's. This isn't. Well, it's a lost art at this point, sadly. We're getting this point where, like, that is weird. Where that just used to be what we did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was like, to your point about that earlier episode when you said that punishment now is to send kids outside.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It used to be like, we would love to go outside.

[B]

Yeah. There's so much stuff you could do.

[A]

It's so wild. As fall has started to come in, I've started to get this sense. I love fall. Like, the smell of fall, like the long shadows. There's just something about that Transition that if you take it in, it's like. It's very grounding for me. We're heading into the holidays.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's in. But you realize that everything that's happening in here is not reality. Reality is actually. Well, everything out here doesn't think about all the concerns that we have.

[B]

Oh, God, it's the best.

[A]

You know what I mean? So just a couple inches, not even that outside of our skull. And everything else drops away. It's all peace.

[B]

Yeah. Because it has.

[A]

This isn't worrying about what the hell's going on in politics. Like. No, it might be because it's talking to ChatGPT, but the. But you just got to get out of here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And let it all come flow in. And it's beautiful. If you can do that.

[B]

Heather and I. Anxiety goes down. It's really interesting. It's really interesting because Heather and I've been having this conversation with Heather. My social feed is much more geared towards gaming and cooking. So I don't get a lot of political stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Heather's social field social feed is very political.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I can see it eating at her. She gets so angry and mad and aggravated.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

I told her. Her literally, like last night, or I think it was the night before, I had this moment where I went, the world of politics, whether you're on the right or the left, like the world of politics, the machine that exists is encouraged by making you angry and afraid. That is how it keeps you engaged. That's how it makes money. The world, like the machine of the left and the right. That's how it works.

[A]

Let's turn into the ultimate entertainment.

[B]

100%. But so I.

[A]

Because the states are so high.

[B]

Yeah. But I also said you got to realize we have a very limited amount of time on this planet. Like, very, very limited.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And if the current state of political discourse is causing you to not enjoy your days, that is people stealing time from you that you will never get back. Well, but you got to have fun. But you know what I mean.

[A]

The other side, though, which I agree with this too, is like, if you just stick your head in the sand, then you're kind of in a very privileged position to not have to care about that.

[B]

I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. I mean, it's tough, but also it's like, it's so hard to know what you can do day to day to affect it in any meaningful way anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, what's better to be stressed about it and try to figure out what to do. Even though you're probably not gonna be able to make a dent or stop thinking about it and live your life as happy as you can and as peaceful as you can. I'm sure there's a middle ground. I don't know what it is, but I was definitely knowing that I'm spending way too much time on the Internet. I'm spending way too much time being engaged in shit that. I mean, I'm literally just blowing time on Instagram at this point.

[A]

My Instagram is great.

[B]

Yes. I end up cooking some of the stuff on Instagram so I can like, say, hey, but I cook the stuff.

[A]

Have you seen what the kind of charcoal is this? Have you not. Do you ever listen to the. Whatever. Listen to the what?

[B]

The kind of truck charcoal is this?

[A]

Do you ever listen to what the eye.

[B]

I mean, maybe.

[A]

Okay, let me just show you one thing. And we can put this on the video. So there's this guy that basically he records all these videos that essentially is what the fuck? And then insert the thing. And so what he does is he'll be like, what the fuck kind of bridges this? And he'll show the wildest bridges that you've ever seen. And he goes, what kind of. What the fuck kind of wood is this? And he shows it over and over and over. And then you're like, it's brilliant though. Watch this. This is what the kind of charcoal is this? We show this in the charcoal is this. What the fucking kind of charcoal is this? This is bamboo charcoal made from bamboo by high temperature firing your burns without smoke or odor.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Kind of charcoal is this? This is tungsten steel. Winchows. And it is also known as the Rolls Royce of charcoal. And its sound is like that of steel. What the fucking kind of charcoal is this? This is free charcoal. Easy to ignite, burns fast and can start a fire quickly. What the fucking kind of charcoal is this one? This is walnut charcoal. It is suitable for roasting small ingredients and can impart a unique, nutty flavor to food. They have that for everything. What kind of bridge is amazing? It's so good.

[B]

That's good. But if I'm spending time just watching that and not like being with myself, right? That feels. There's got to be a balance.

[A]

This is why we need to get you a meditation practice. Dude.

[B]

Bro, I'm in. Let's meditate. Me.

[A]

You need.

[B]

What do I do? How do I do it?

[A]

It's not like. It's like some kind of marinade you sit in. Yeah, I'm going to get meditated.

[B]

I want to meditate Flavor bombs up in this mall. Yeah, well speaking of meditation.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And, and things that are good and healthy for your we because we lost.

[A]

Oh, we should see what this is, by the way. We didn't see what this was.

[B]

Oh yeah, what is that?

[A]

Okay, this is good for your face. This is a face thing that shoots LEDs. It's made by therabody. So they also do the face fucker. That other mask.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

So I'm not an investor here. I don't know if this works but LEDs in general, they seem to be getting a lot of traction. There is some data around actually improving wrinkles in your face.

[B]

So is that what it was trying to do?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I, I, I use this, I don't, I, I don't have any actual empirical scientific data to back it up in any way so I don't know. I do like One skin. One skin's pretty dope. You ever try this?

[B]

No, I don't, I don't, I don't do any facial stuff.

[A]

So this is a peptide. It will reduce the crap.

[B]

Where do I put wrinkles?

[A]

Now this one. I will have wrinkles.

[B]

Where do I put.

[A]

Yeah dude, your crow's feet, dog.

[B]

Oh okay.

[A]

Bro, you never even.

[B]

Sorry bro. I never noticed my crow's feet dog.

[A]

You never even notice your crow's feet.

[B]

I don't. What am I looking at my face for? I love that.

[A]

You never even notice your co Speed.

[B]

I don't go away.

[A]

Oh One skin. I will say in all transparency I do have an angel investment. One skin. I like them because they have some published studies that are really impressive. So look at the studies. Don't buy it because I said to just look at the studies and look.

[B]

At the studies and then put it on your.

[A]

This is awesome though I'm not an investor here either. I always like to be transparent with all this shit. This is the nothing headphones. The same people that make the Android phone that I love.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So dude, these are dope. So check it out. Feel that. Scroll for volume. It scrolls like up. That's up and down. Isn't that make sense to you?

[B]

That's really cool.

[A]

Now now this, hit this up and down. So that's forward, track and backtrack.

[B]

Oh that feels good.

[A]

Really simple, right?

[B]

And yeah it does.

[A]

I think they work with teenage engineering and some of their stuff. Yeah, they do, they work together. So this button right here will flip you between Audio applications. If you have multiple different audio applications.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

Oh, I want to go to audio audible to spot or it will do your voice assistance. You can basically program it, do whatever you want.

[B]

Got it. So you could hit that and be like hey chatgpt, make me money.

[A]

Yeah. So they make these in black and they also. They're made by kef, the speaker system.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, kef's great.

[A]

So anyway, I like these a lot. I just got them. I don't think it's the best noise canceling in the world but so that's how you do.

[B]

You put the peptides on your face. You put the face fucker on 2.0 and then you put your nothing earphones on and just sit for a second.

[A]

I mean that's not the Face fucker, that's the one that massages your face which I actually really like that one. If you want massages though from therabody. Yeah, I don't like the massage. I turn the massage off. If you want to get anything from thera body. It's not called the face. We called it that. It's like the face massager that they have.

[B]

It's called the face. We all know but so speaking of health, you may have. No. So we had to, we had to lose our lease party because it happened quickly. So we're shooting over at Kevin's. Kevin had a scheduling conflict with when we were supposed to shoot this. Yeah, early, early this week. So we're shooting it at like do one in the afternoon. So rather. And, and since you're still on your I was ready to drink sober dry.

[A]

Journey, I'll drink right now.

[B]

I mean I have brought a bottle of wine specifically. It was great. So anyway, but so all that is to say we are having, we are sponsored by my favorite sponsor when it comes to booze z biotics and I'm not going to drink this right now because I'm going to bring it home because this evening, since it's Friday night is going to be a good time. But Zebiotics is a pre alcohol probiotic drink. It's the first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by a PhD scientist to tackle the morning after drinking. We all know what that is. It's a worse. But here's how it works. When you drink, the alcohol in your gut gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut and this targets that toxic byproduct. So it's not just oh I need more water when I wake up in the morning or oh I gotta take some Advil. It's like. No, no, no. It's the toxic byproduct that gets converted from the alcohol in your gut and this attacks that which is great. Pre alcohol produces an enzyme that breaks down that byproduct. So this has become my go to predignation shoot thing. And I will tell you, it definitely makes me feel better the next day.

[A]

You've been doing that for several weeks. You drink it right before we go live. And do you don't feel any hangover?

[B]

Nope, not the next day. And I drink copious amounts of alcohol anyway so I'm gonna save this one for later today. Maybe pre dinner.

[A]

I. I really want you to go get your liver enzymes checked.

[B]

I should.

[A]

When you're drinking like the day after you drink, don't do the cheaties.

[B]

I'm not gonna do the cheaties. I love doing cheaties.

[A]

Tell em what cheatis is.

[B]

You just don't drink for a week and then get your liver end up checked.

[A]

I love that your doctor's like, alex, you're amazing.

[B]

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[A]

It was so much fun.

[B]

Was so much fun.

[A]

That was a great. Yeah. Somebody at the phone.

[B]

No, no, no, he's taking a picture. No, no, no. It's food.

[A]

Are you sure?

[B]

Yeah, 100%.

[A]

How do you know?

[B]

Because I saw. It's a bag.

[A]

I'm waiting for the new iPhone air.

[B]

Which by the way. Well, we're going to talk about all the Apple announces, but iPhone air got to my house 30 minutes after I left to come to Kevin's. So I could. We could have had it.

[A]

I know. Look at this. Ups between 12 and 4pm I know it's 1:46 right now.

[B]

Hey, mine was supposed to be between 3 and 7 and it came at whatever that was.

[A]

Delivery. Okay, we'll keep watching. Could do live unboxing.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Live slash recorded slash. You'll see it a few weeks.

[B]

Did you get the air?

[A]

I got the air.

[B]

Yeah. I'm with the air. I did. Well, let's. Well, first, let's get into it. Let's get into it. Here we go. And also.

[A]

Oh, we got tell people we're going to do the live streaming Mystery Science style.

[B]

Yes, yes. We'll tell them that when we talk about the Apple. The Apple announces. But we also want to say it was so great meeting everybody at the San Francisco Digg IRL meetup.

[A]

Yeah, it was awesome.

[B]

It was super fun. Dude. We had so many people that. My favorite moment, I was talking with Justin, CEO of Digg, and this guy came up and he was like, hey. And we were like, hey, man, welcome. So great to see you. And he's like, yeah. He goes, so how are you guys connected to this company? And I was like, oh, that's the CEO. And he was like, oh, he had a buddy. Was like, I'm going to go to this thing. You want to come like three hours before? And he was like, sure. He had a blast.

[A]

Yeah. And he's like. He's like, I would like to invite. Super excited. That was awesome.

[B]

It was super fun. We had a really great time. It was great meeting everybody. And we are coming to Chicago.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So we are hitting the middle. Is Chicago in the middle?

[A]

Yeah, I think we're pretty much dead.

[B]

Center, give or take.

[A]

There's a UFO out there.

[B]

There was. That's what happens. So it's gonna be early October. We're not sure exactly where in Chicago or exactly when, but stick around, keep your infos there because we love meeting everybody in Pequods. Pequods, great.

[A]

Deep dish pizza in Chicago. Amazing.

[B]

That calendar just gave me agita. Kevin just opened his calendar and I don't.

[A]

That's my shit, dude.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Yeah, put it away.

[B]

Let me. You want to see what my calendar looks like? Look, there's like, this is my calendar.

[A]

Oh, my God. Show everybody that. There's one entry.

[B]

It's dignation.

[A]

Dude, I hate you. Why am I still working and you just get to chill?

[B]

I mean, it's fun. You gotta. You gotta grab life by the nut sack when you get it. Okay. All right, here we go.

[A]

You've been holding that sack for a while. I love it.

[B]

That was so great.

[A]

Such a big difference.

[B]

I didn't even have like a holiday in there.

[A]

Nothing. You're like, every day is a holiday for you. It's amazing.

[B]

Anyway, let's get into our first story. Our first story. AirPods Pro 3 review. Big improvements, same price, no compromises. This was submitted by Emil. Apple announced a whole Bunch of stuff. And one of the things that they talked about was the new AirPods Pro 3. And I will tell you, I am not an AirPods user. Heather. Heather has some. Loves them. I bought them and tried them and I had a weird sense that. We've talked about this before. I have a weird like electro. Jesus Christ. Pro 3. Is that just hit mute on your.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I had to do it anyway. I had. There's a little bit of like a weird.

[A]

Is that only with noise canceling?

[B]

No, no, it's like a. It's like my brain just feels weird. It's probably psychosomatic. I don't know. I'm going to try. I'm going to maybe get some of these.

[A]

You have hearing issues?

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Can I test your hearing real quick?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, keep going, keep going.

[B]

We're going to do an earring thing. But here's the thing that was so impressive to me was we talked a little bit about this with the. I can hear that. Was that the test? We talked a little bit about this with the Google Pixel, with the live translation on the calls.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But the fact that they're going to start doing live translation in ear in real time is to me, we're getting to the Holy Grail. Like we've been talking about like, you know, the. The universal translator from Star Trek. You know what I mean? Like we're really starting to get there. The fact that it's baked into the airpods now to me is like I would get these specifically to go. I mean, think about being in Japan and going to one of those crazy restaurants that's like very local and they do not speak English well.

[A]

And then you can say something back to it and hold your phone up and it shows them the translation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And do you know that has heart rate sensor built in?

[B]

So that's the other thing is then you can go jog around. You don't have to worry about having your Apple watch and all that stuff. If you want to go and see how you're to track all your. And it does your steps and stuff.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

It does a whole bunch of stuff.

[A]

So let's test your hearing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So this is no joke, a hearing.

[B]

So I don't hear any extern. There's a buzzing going on here. I'm very sensitive to sounds.

[A]

When you stop hearing this, raise your hand. Okay.

[B]

When you stop.

[A]

So it's going to tell you your age. So basically we should all be able to hear the first part and then eventually goes out Here we go. And we'll put this link in the show notes. What? Here we go. Let me stop hearing. That's 60. Age. 60. Age 50. Oh, we're the same. Did you just follow me?

[B]

No.

[A]

What was it you could hear longer?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like a couple seconds longer. I was. We were 29 years old. Let's try that again. We'll put this link in the show notes. This might not be good for audio for people listening.

[B]

We should just troll them and turn the sound off. Right?

[A]

Okay. 45. Concealer is 40. 29.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think you put yours up higher.

[B]

I think my. No, not higher. Sooner. I think mine maybe was a little sooner. I mean, it still feels good to be not almost 50 in hearing age. Hearing's always been like. I've always been good at hearing. All right. So they also announced a whole shit ton of other products. It was a very interesting announcement.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kevin and I were watching it.

[A]

Well, we started. We were live texting and we realized our comments, we were cracking each other up. And it almost felt like Mystery Science 3000. For those who don't remember, they used to play old movies and they would have comedians sit there and just kind of. You'd hear the movie, but you'd also hear them just making. It was almost like you were sitting next to a buddy during a movie.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And they were just cracking jokes the entire time. And we were just like. It was. There was so many funny moments to poke fun of. We thought, wouldn't it be fun if next time there's a big event. Yeah, we'll do it live on Dig Live stream. We'll get together, we'll have you commenting, and then we can also just be making fun of the video.

[B]

I was so excited.

[A]

Well, the Air was the most confusing to me because they said, okay, we've got this new phone, it's called the Air. And they've do the sexy video. And I'm like, okay, it looks good.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I. First of all, I'm never going to want to put a case on it.

[B]

It's too sexy to put a case on.

[A]

I got the bumper case.

[B]

I've not done a case on my phone for years.

[A]

How many. How long have you had this for? A year. And you've never. You've never dropped it?

[B]

Why would I drop my phone?

[A]

I mean, I. I get that, like, you're not purposely dropping it, but I have a bunch of dings on mine because it inevitably just slips on my pocket.

[B]

Not me saying last episode that you just like, you Felt more careful, more.

[A]

Precious with your phone when you don't have a.

[B]

That does sound like something I would say. I don't remember.

[A]

B, he was drinking.

[B]

I was drinking. But the other thing is, is that I. For me, it was anger. It was. You are making.

[A]

You typically throw your phone when you get pissed, you know, calm down, Alex.

[B]

You're fucking making $1,000 phone plus. And I have to put a case on it because you've made it so fragile that it won't work as a normal phone.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

So I go, fuck you. Then I'm not gonna hold a case. And to be fair, I'm in that, like, upgrade program. So it's like, if I drop it, it's on them anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, you got the Pro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Apple plus.

[B]

Whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that to say. So that all to say, I'm not gonna put a case on it. Not even gonna do it.

[A]

And you want air. What color did you go with?

[B]

Black.

[A]

Blue. Oh, just because, like when somebody walks by like you're for dinner and they see it out there, it's like, oh, he's a little different.

[B]

He's a little blue. Well, I did this, like, whatever this color is. Is like coral or what?

[A]

That's. That's pink, dude. That's.

[B]

Oh, no, no, it was. It's called something else.

[A]

That is pink.

[B]

No, it.

[A]

You got the pink one.

[B]

What was it like?

[A]

It was rose.

[B]

Was it rose?

[A]

It was rose. Yeah, that is. That is.

[B]

I don't think I would have bought it if it was called rose.

[A]

I mean, you got the rose one, dude.

[B]

I mean, it's nice.

[A]

It is pink shaded. Peach. Peach.

[B]

Anyway, it's been very good for me for the last year. I'm excited for my air. My black hair. That looks like my mom's phone, dude.

[A]

It totally does.

[B]

Well, it's.

[A]

You didn't go peach with this one, did you?

[B]

No, I did the black one.

[A]

Okay, you did the blacks, right?

[B]

So I heard somebody talking about the fact that, like, Apple did this with the MacBook Air when, like, they announced the MacBook Air and that whole.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Like, I fucking remember we were doing dignation when the MacBook Air was announced. I think might have got o.

[A]

Look how beautiful. You could have gone gold, but then.

[B]

You'D be like, by the way, you got powder blue, I got navy blue. Listen, it's like baby blue.

[A]

No, it's not baby blue. It's more of a. How would you call it? A morning mist is the way I.

[B]

Put it Morning mist.

[A]

That's what I got. Right top my tongue. Yeah, it's a morning.

[B]

I got the brown one. I call it morning wood.

[A]

You know what you should work on Apple branding.

[B]

Done.

[A]

Like, we have the new morning wood.

[B]

Yeah. This is morning wood for those of.

[A]

You that get up early. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

It's got an extra terabyte.

[A]

What kind of wood is this?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Morning wood. But it's. It's really interesting because I've never done. The other thing is, like, I've never done. I got the. I got a cool new wallet.

[A]

This little.

[B]

This little thing. I don't even know what it's called.

[A]

A little pouch.

[B]

But how cool is that, right? Just like a little.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I got the new Coinbase credit card.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[A]

Dude, it's dope. But 4% back on everything. But you have to keep Coinbase currency there.

[B]

Yeah, but you know how everybody does. Or a lot of people do that. Mag Safe wallet. Yeah, that goes here. I would never do that. Although now that I think about it, I'm like, this is exactly what's in my pocket anyway. It's just not connected, but with the air, it has that little dividend. And I was like, I might get a MagSafe wallet. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like a really thin one. Yeah, yeah, that could be cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, only, like, all you really need. Well, in California, they have digital ID now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what you need anymore. I mean, every once in a while there's a place that doesn't take Apple pay, so you probably need one card, Coinbase card. I have no affiliation with Coinbase, but I will say that their new credit card is pretty promising if you hold cryptocurrency.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because you get 4%, which is just on everything. Dude, that's amazing.

[B]

The only better card that I have back in Bitcoin.

[A]

In Bitcoin, exactly.

[B]

Like Blockfi, which I had. And then I went out of business. I did get my bitcoin back, so that's amazing. They did go out of business.

[A]

Not everyone did. I will say that the only card that is better than that, and granted it's not in Bitcoin, but you can get 5% cash back on Amazon, Visa. Ooh, do you have that?

[B]

No.

[A]

So I use that as well. So 5% cash back, which is huge. See, just ran purchases.

[B]

I feel like we need to, like, call Hutchins and just have him fly to Los Angeles and sit down with us for the weekend and just go through all of our shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, because I have, like, that'd.

[A]

Be a good episode.

[B]

I do. Oh, dude. Yeah.

[A]

Behind the scenes, like, Chris Hutchins does all the hacks podcast. Great podcast for those of you that are into credit card rewards and points and he buys gold at Costco and shit. And flips it. He does crazy shit.

[B]

He's a crazy person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I appreciate it. But so, like, for us, like, I. Have you ever used points Me?

[A]

I have not.

[B]

So it's this. It's this thing. It's a service and I appreciate that.

[A]

It's forwarded to Point me.

[B]

Yeah. Point me. That might be.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

Travel. So, yeah, but it's a subscription service. But they. It helps you figure out because, like. And I tried to get AI to do this for me where it's like.

[A]

You got all these points.

[B]

Yeah, I got so many because we use American Express exclusively, right? And so we have a shit ton of American Express points. And you can transfer those over to other airline, Right.

[A]

Or you can book directly on a book. Directly.

[B]

But there's all these, like, crazy things. And I've always been like, I just want something that, like, is just checking certain locations, like Japan for you.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, if you. All of a sudden, you were like, hey, a first class round trip ticket to Japan if you go in the next three months on Air Japan Japan Airlines. Yeah. Joel is, you know, only 45,000 miles, right. You'd be like, well, maybe I should go. You know what I mean? And so I want to do that, but I don't. I just don't know how to do that.

[A]

I might go in November for a quick little trip. You should think about going.

[B]

Craig.

[A]

Maud, you know Craig at all? Have you ever met him before? He's awesome. He blogs about writing, walking in Japan.

[B]

No, but you went on one of his walks.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Going out and seeing him. Just for a couple days. The little walksies and just hanging out and grab some coffee. Coffee and.

[B]

That'd be fun. Why not?

[A]

Dude, we gotta go again.

[B]

This is the thing.

[A]

I gotta take you out there.

[B]

So I'm going. I'm gonna go for my birthday.

[A]

I know we talked about. You invited me.

[B]

I did.

[A]

I'm gonna take you around.

[B]

Yeah, I want. I want that. Anyway, are you gonna get this, the body cross body strap for your phone?

[A]

Jesus, dude, the second I saw that cross body strap, I'm like, this is why we should have that. Like, that.

[B]

I just love the, like. Drum roll, please. Let's show you some of the massively awesome accessories.

[A]

Well, it was just like, like off to the side. And I get that there's. Some people are going to love that. So other things though, from Apple, you know, they didn't mention anything about AI. They were like, really light on that stuff.

[B]

I mean, they mentioned like. Oh, well, except they did make that one comment where they were like, we've been at the forefront of AI for years. Like, forefront.

[A]

Yeah, for.

[B]

You've been there. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think that I got the new Mac OS and I got the new.

[B]

Ios, so it's funny, I have this thing.

[A]

Have you upgraded iOS yet?

[B]

No, because whenever I have this thing, it's just sort of psychosomatic. I don't want to see the new operating system on my old phone.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So when my new phone gets here, I'm like, fucking, look at this new phone. It's so different.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if I upgraded my other phone, I'd be like, oh, it's just like my old phone.

[A]

Oh, dude. So I, I only reason I put the iOS on here is because I have. I'm part of this new alpha, which I don't know if I can talk about it yet.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I kind of want to play you a demo here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So no one's ever seen this before. This is an unreleased product. I'm gonna have to. No, you don't know this. Oh, this is, this is. This is called Sky. It's a company that is not out yet, but it is a. So, okay. Okay, let me set it up. The new iOS.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

One of the things that's really interesting about this individual, this guy's ex, Google, he goes in after the release of the iOS, like they do the announcements at WWDC and he picks through all the documentation saying, what did they not talk about on stage? But is a new API that might be worth building an app against.

[B]

That's smart.

[A]

So in this new os, for the first time this has ever been possible, you can now have your own custom alarms. So that doesn't sound like anything.

[B]

No, it doesn't.

[A]

Because the alarm is an alarm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, that means you can have an app take over the alarm for the first time. A third party app. Oh, okay. So what this is is something that will wake you up in the morning. It's not alarm mode. It's called Sky. It wakes you up in the morning, it connects to your Spotify, it connects to your Google Calendar, connects to your email, and then it gives you a customized daily briefing. I Have no idea what this is going to say.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

So listen to this. This is a bit. This is alpha. Here it goes. It's thinking in real time.

[B]

So this is what you would get at 6 o'. Clock.

[A]

Anytime you want though. You can tune in anytime.

[C]

Hey Kevin. Friday afternoon after the dignation session. How'd that go with Alex? That Stinson off site this week looked intense. Multi day strategic planning sessions can drain even the sharpest minds.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[C]

Alana from the Untold Sent over this week's top line. Sounds like your tech magic interview with Kathy Hackle launched their new season strong in September. Good to see the media work paying off. Your delivery game today was comprehensive. Erewhon dropping off the premium wellness goods around 2pm Then blue bottle runs throughout the day. That second blue bottle order at 7:30pm suggests the dignation recording went long or needed extra fuel. Coal invoice is now officially overdue. That $1,010 electrical work from September 5th might be worth knocking that out before the weekend. Symbol audio reached out shipped and should arrive soon. Audio gear is always worth the wait. Your steps dropped to basically nothing during those Stinson sessions. 368 today, 2400 yesterday. Intensive strategic work does that. Your brain was doing the heavy lifting while your body stayed planted in those conference rooms. Mountain Cloud Zen center is on your calendar with an invalid timestamp. Might be worth checking that meditation retreat timing those autumn Sachin sessions.

[B]

How long does it talk to you?

[A]

I don't know. Let's get another 10 seconds.

[C]

After that intense venture work, time to let your mind decompress from all that partner level decision making.

[A]

Pretty cool, right?

[B]

It is. Now I would be very stressed if that's how I woke up every morning. So you owe $700 to that guy. You should probably get on that. Oh, fuck. Okay, thanks. Morning, mom. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, well, here's the thing.

[B]

But that's okay.

[A]

You can turn on triple X mode and she gets a lot more imagine. No, the cool thing about it is you get it builds these core memories about you and what you like and don't like. And then you can influence them by hearting them in the settings and it will tell you more or less of that. So if you wanted to like, you know, comment on your stocks, it'll do that. If you wanted to tell you about your appointments, it'll do that.

[B]

That's such an interesting idea.

[A]

It's brand new. This is only six weeks of coding that they put this together.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Isn't that insane?

[B]

Team of two people insane.

[A]

And they're creating a SOC 2 compliant, which is a fancy way of saying that they take privacy very seriously. So if they're tying into your personal account and your work calendar, they discard all the information after they process it.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So it's really a cool company. We haven't invested yet. We were looking at it, but it's like that was an early, early demo of something that will get much, much better. Imagine that's six weeks in a year from now. That'll be like, fully dialed into you.

[B]

You know, Apple's gonna buy them and integrate it?

[A]

I think so probably. It wouldn't surprise me.

[B]

I mean, that's how that stuff works. That's so cool. I love that idea of, like, what APIs are available in the new operating system that they did not talk about.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, that's so smart.

[A]

It's so smart.

[B]

That's so smart.

[A]

This is a really sharp team.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, hey. So Apple's got a cool new stuff coming. Lots of announcements. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that jumped out at the Apple event. At the Apple event. I mean, it was a little bit like, the iPhones are just sort of getting a little bit better, a little bit the same. I mean, that's one of the things. It's one of the reasons why I went with the Air was because I was like, I want something different. You know what I mean? And I don't know if I actually need the foldable thing.

[A]

Yeah. But I really like an actual foldable phone.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know if I need that, but.

[A]

Well, with the Air size now, you have to imagine. Cause it's so thin. This is like step one. Step two is like a sandwich.

[B]

Oh. So that's what I was gonna say, making it foldable. This is one of the things was that Apple announced the MacBook Air and they were like, we know that we can get the form factor down. We know that we're going to be limited in functionality based on the form factor. But that's the whole thing is the form factor is the forcing function to get people to buy it, but that the phones themselves will just start to get that thin over time, just like these laptops. I mean, yeah, it's not as thin as a MacBook Air, but it sure as hell a lot thinner than they used to be. You know what I mean? So it's like pretty soon they're thinking the air is just their way to be. Like, let's see how People like the form factor.

[A]

The rumor that just dropped a couple days ago is fascinating where they say by the end of the year they'll go into production for a new laptop that's gonna be touchscreen on the Mac. And then they said by the end of next year there'll be an iPhone chip powered laptop.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So talk about.

[B]

So like, all that, what is it, the Dragon or what's the Snapdragon thing? Like, remember, that's not their.

[A]

That's not their chip.

[B]

No, no, I know, but that has happened where they make these like ultra small laptops using mobile processors because processors were getting powerful.

[A]

I mean, if you think about the day to day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this is not my gaming laptop.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no.

[A]

So I don't have a gaming laptop.

[B]

But also Mac, it's not about gaming. Right.

[A]

But if I want to surf the web, check my emails.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Work on some documents.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Put together a dignation thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I just, if I had something was half as thin with double or triple the battery life, like done.

[B]

Yeah. And you don't need all this crazy processing power. It's all your, you know, you've got your own LLM running on your laptop locally. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you get a bigger machine if you need that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I love that. I love that idea.

[A]

I love that idea.

[B]

All right, speaking of things that we love, how about some sponsors?

[A]

Yes, we are. Well, I can say for myself, and I know you are as well, absolutely thrilled to have Anthropic as a sponsor.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

It is. Gosh. I know. The one thing I like about this is they let you kind of speak from the heart about how you use these products. And I will say for me, Claude, I was thinking about this the other day because I have subscriptions at a bunch of different things because it's part of my job to try them all out. Claude is absolutely one that I could not give up. It is like when I want deep research around something. And for me just the interface is beautiful. Claude, code is amazing. I use that at the command line version. Oh, yeah. So Dig Daily, our tool that we use for creating the automated AI podcast, which is another awesome thing to check out. If you have the Dig app, get in there and play with it. It's amazing. This podcast that Mal has been able to put together, created all on cloud code. It is my go to for vibe coding on that. On that front, it's just great at taking problems and breaking them down and creating these beautiful kind of research reports around just stuff that I'm looking. I'll tell you one that I was doing. I'm like working to tweak the last little bit of my liver enzymes to get them exactly where I want them. And I truly last night I dropped in all the stuff I'm taking supplement wise and I said, hey, are there any offenders in here that you think that could, you know, I could break them apart and not take these. And was like, yeah, you're taking too much curcumin. That's definitely a thing that can elevate liver enzymes, especially the high bioavailability version. And it was like I had to do all that research.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I just turned it on so I get a notification now when the research is done and I just fire it off.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

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[B]

I love it. So Claude AI dig nice First AI sponsorship for the program.

[A]

I couldn't be happier.

[B]

I know, right?

[A]

Because they could be like, ah, let's you know, fill in the blank with shitty thing and I not that we.

[B]

Would take it AI it's just like I love it. It's great. Speaking of other things that we are both fans of. Element L M N tea is a zero sugar electrolyte drink and sparkling water. Went to the gym this morning. Had my orange salt element with me to make sure that I could power through.

[A]

I got the chocolate caramel one. Have you tried that?

[B]

No. Is it good?

[A]

I haven't tried it yet. I just got it.

[B]

Oh my God. I mean, look, it's perfect. It works. It's for athletes. It's for people who just. Nobody gets hydrated enough. No, I mean, unless you're a crazy person and you drink all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, walking around with a giant jug of water. Which I should be. We all should be. So get your hydration.

[A]

Chocolate caramel.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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I know.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

I'm gonna tell people that are trying this the first time. One pack I diluted a tiny bit. So I put ice in there. I get like a big old thermos.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then scoop of creatine in there as well. And then I just mix it all together and then I'm like, done. That's my one thing I just gotta hit in the morning.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah, it's good.

[B]

I do Element in like a 32 ounce water. Yeah, 32 ounce during the gym. And then when I get home, I do my creatine and a protein shake.

[A]

I do element after the sauna, which is huge.

[B]

Okay, next one, you lose a ton of lava. Science, science, science, science. And I'm sweating my life out.

[A]

Okay, next story of the day is a great one. Meta AI demo fail.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

Okay, so Zuck got on stage and.

[B]

We should tell them about what it was that they were.

[A]

Okay, so they have These new glasses, they got the new meta. I mean, they're making these Ray Bans in a bunch of different form factors, which I have.

[B]

I have the.

[A]

You have the first ones.

[B]

I have the first gens. Yeah. My little sister gave them to us for Christmas.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Super fun.

[A]

Do you like them?

[B]

I mean, first off, they look like they're good glasses. Right. They're just nice sunglasses, so that's nice. They're not as big and bulky as you think. And the reason why this is interesting to me, this announcement, was because it's really hard because I just don't want to talk to myself. And the only way you can kind of interact with it is by asking it things.

[A]

Yeah, but they got that little wristband now that you can use to kind of.

[B]

Well, no, and this was. This announcement was about the wristband and the display. That's the big key.

[A]

Oh, God, I have so many problems with this. I know, dude.

[B]

Reviewers are loving it.

[A]

They're loving it.

[B]

Yes. But here's the thing.

[A]

I watched their asses kicked when they wear them.

[B]

No, but I watched.

[A]

Nobody wants to sit across themselves, but they're wearing the shit.

[B]

I watched one of the reviews, and the lady who was talking about, like, how excited she was, she just looked like she was somewhere else. She's literally just sitting there and she goes, oh, this is so great. And she's just like this. Oh, wow.

[A]

I know.

[B]

A lot of those reviewers are bringing Glass. So. Great. Yeah. Saying we might be over the hump.

[A]

No, we're not over the hump.

[B]

We're not over the hump. So.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

How do you really feel about Kevin?

[A]

Well, I've said this story before, but I'll say one, one last quick time. So when Google Glass first came out, I was lucky because I was at Google.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I went over the Google X and they gave me the Glass. I was one of the first people to take it out off campus.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

And I got really lucky. I don't send some flags. I just got lucky I was there and at the right time. So they were just starting to hand out demo units, and so I got one of the employee demo units. I took it to a party. And I'll never forget the feeling when everybody. And I don't think times have changed in that they look at you and they're like, there's this. Are you recording? Are you doing something? Are you invading my privacy?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's instant and it's always going to be persistent, and especially when you hide that little camera in the lens and shit. It's like you don't feel comfortable in front of that. It's the same thing with the pendants that we're seeing that are always listening and listening to you via AI. When you see someone with that on.

[B]

You'Re like, I'm in a space.

[A]

I don't want to do this.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I just worry that there's two problems with it. One is that it creates this, like, weird space you're in with somebody else. And the second is the one that you mentioned where there's that distant look where it's like, okay, are we here together having a conversation? Are you off somewhere else? Because it's horrible when you're with a friend and they're like looking at their phone, right? You can call them out right away, put your phone away. And this is just encouraging more of that behavior. And I look at it, I'm like, what is Zuckerberg trying to do? Why is he trying to wedge these experiences into us that we don't necessarily want?

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like, it's a really dystopian, weird future when it's like, okay, we're gonna have these things with a stat that are constantly answering all of our questions. One of the things that I realized recently is that. And I caught myself doing this with AI auto fixing my spelling mistakes and like having this all happen. I am getting worse at spelling.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Because I was never good, so I.

[A]

Was never good and I don't even care now.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because I'm like, it's like beautiful and I'm like, beard or fur? And I just like, let it go and fix it when I should be like, oh, Ib4e. I get that it's a thing, but the point being is that I turned that off the auto computer.

[B]

It's Wally, right? You're just getting dumber and dumber, getting.

[A]

Fat and dumb and distracted and disconnected and relying upon third party sources. Oh, what is that? Oh, that was constructed in 1815. Yeah.

[B]

Tell me what I'm looking at.

[A]

Next thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it's like, what happened to reading, to going deeper, to the end? We're old, but also we're not that old on the right side of this.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know. And the other thing too is, I think going back to why is Zuck trying to jam this thing in? And the answer is minutes and seconds and moments is the current currency of tech companies, right? So they want. There's only a limited number of moments in a day that you. That you can get exposed to their company, and their goal is to increase the amount of moments in your day that they get to control so that they can advertise to you. And this is just a way to say, what about the moments between looking at your phone and picking up your phone again? And these glasses are trying to take that moment from you, you know what I mean? The moment of walking outside of the front door to your car before your car takes that moment from you. You know what I mean? That's what those glasses are trying to capture. Because the company's job is to capture moments, and almost all your moments are taken up. So this is going to try to capture that moment. And it's fucking horrible.

[A]

It's also. There's two problems with this. It's. They're building tools to capture moments, and they're also building tools to make moments perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's two pieces of this that are bad. If you're at a concert, you'll notice this. Everyone is like this. And it's not even like they're holding their phones up to look at the stage. They're looking at their phones recording the moment rather than actually looking at the stage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And nobody goes back and looks at that shit. Like, you record it. Like, you may post it social, but then it's like, oh, the demos they show you, it's like, oh, your kid's, like, trying to do something, and you use both hands and you're like, swinging your kid around. You get the view. Cute, awesome. But then afterwards, they're like, oh, was there a little piece of trash in the background? Like, circle that with a little thing and delete it from the thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What are you doing? But that wasn't existing. That wasn't the moment. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And, like, people are removing, like, gates and fences that look weird. And like, a little kid later is gonna be like, oh, look at my childhood photos. But wasn't there a gate there?

[B]

Dude?

[A]

It's like, my buddy Jeff.

[B]

My buddy Jeff just ran like, a half marathon in Colorado, and he posted a picture of him running, and we were like, oh, that's so cool. And he goes, yeah, there's a whole bunch of people running with me. I just took them out and I go, what? Yeah, exactly. He sent the other picture and it was like, that's amazing. It looked like he's running by himself. Like, he's at this moment by himself. And he was like, no, on the phone, it just said, I just circled them and they went away. And it was like, that's so interesting. Yeah. Kanata. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, that's so interesting. But also, like, is it a. I mean, it is ostensibly a better picture of him? Cause it's like, just him and not, like, five strangers in the back also running a marathon. But it's that thing. It's like, that's the perfect version of that moment. I know, but that's not the moment that happened.

[A]

Well, the funny thing is, I was in Las Vegas seeing my sister, and I had the new Google phone with Gemini, and I just got the new Pixel. And it has this mode where you can take a photo of two people standing next to each other, and then you can have one of them leave the photo, hand them the phone, and then they'll take the photo of you standing in, and it puts all of you together, even though you weren't in that original photo.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And what they're saying is. And I get why engineers are creating this. They're saying, oh, there's so many times where you want to take a photo.

[B]

But there's nobody around. Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, no, there are people around. You're just too fucking chicken to hand them the phone and ask. It's like, hey, we know you don't want to ask somebody else to take the photo. So this is a way. You're like, no, how about connect with another human? Say, hey, can you take this photo for us? Thank you so much.

[B]

Like, what are we doing to that?

[A]

We're cutting out all communication. Like, authentic ways to bond with other humans that we don't know. It's just.

[B]

It's so funny. It really is. That thing. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[A]

Oh, did he post it on mine?

[B]

It was. Yeah. On Instagram. Wow. He was just like, I just did it on my phone. Basically, the phone said, like, hey, do you want to take these people out? He was like, all right, well, let's.

[A]

Watch the flop demo.

[B]

Oh, God. Yeah.

[A]

Good ratings coming in any moment. You have to make sure that. Oh, that's my other video. Compatible video call.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

There we go. He's gone. Well, I. Let's see what happened there. How's Zach? That's too bad. I don't know what happened. Maybe Buzz can try calling me again. So he tries it four times.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

But what kills me is actually, I think they lied about why it happened. So let's watch this last one.

[B]

Hey, Meta.

[A]

Start live AI.

[C]

Starting live AI.

[A]

Okay. I love the setup you have here with soy sauce and other ingredients. How Can I help?

[B]

Hey, can you help me make a Korean inspired steak sauce for my steak sandwich here?

[C]

You can make a Korean inspired steak.

[B]

Sauce using soy sauce, sesame oil.

[A]

What do I do first? What do I do first? You've already combined the base ingredients, so.

[B]

Now grate a pair to add to the sauce. He's like, what do I do first?

[C]

You've already combined the base ingredients.

[B]

Oh, my God. So now break the pan.

[A]

Now watch what they say, though.

[B]

Combine it with the base sauce.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I think the WI fi might be messed up.

[A]

Sorry? Oh, the WI fi is messed up. It was giving you the wrong answer.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It looked at the scene and was. And then Zuckerberg goes, oh, the WI fi. Watch.

[B]

The irony of the whole thing is.

[A]

That you spend years making technology and then the WI fi at the day, kind of. The WI fi. That's just a lie.

[B]

That. Yeah, that's.

[A]

No. AI said you've already combined the ingredients. It wasn't like. It was like, I can't talk to the Internet. It was. It looked at what you had. It didn't understand.

[B]

It didn't come back and take network connectivity issues. Yeah.

[A]

So all the WI fi. I. Oh, man, that's brutal.

[B]

I know. And the other thing too, is like, it's very interesting. It's, you know.

[A]

Well, hold on. He chopped up all the ingredients and he put them in front of himself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he said, how do I combine. You have the recipe.

[B]

How did you know what to chop.

[A]

Up and put in front of you? There were all the dishes of everything chopped up. He had the recipe. Right.

[B]

I don't know why people are trying to solve the looking at a recipe while cooking issue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, how is that an issue? People have been cooking via recipes for eons, and yet it's like, we really want to make this a smoother experience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Step two, chop up the. It's like, what? No, just. Just show me where it is.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's so funny. Although I do think robocooking. I love. What?

[A]

The glasses.

[B]

They're good.

[A]

How many times have you worn them?

[B]

Not very many.

[A]

Have you worn them outside?

[B]

That's the only time I've worn them.

[A]

In front of people.

[B]

Not really very much. It's because my sister gave it to me, so I'm trying to.

[A]

Oh, she's watching.

[B]

No, but I don't want it to matriculate out to somebody being like, hey, he doesn't use them. I literally wore them. The, like, first two days.

[A]

You should ebay that shit now?

[B]

Why are they.

[A]

Because, I mean, the new ones are coming out. That means those are gonna drop in price. Probably give them a good little cup of honey.

[B]

It's all right, I'll just try. I'll just give them away at Starbucks.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Somebody, somebody will enjoy them anyway.

[A]

I'm just so. I feel bad for Meta because they have been trying this face thing for a long time. They've been trying to put on your face for like a decade now. They're like, AR V no VR away. AR away pictures with family. It's like they're trying anything they can to push on your face.

[B]

That's because again, they want that time that you have yet to give to a service. They want it because they're not. I mean, look, at the end of the day, like who's using Facebook? Like who's on Facebook now? Morning, mom. Yeah, I know, but like that's their, their issue is everybody.

[A]

They got Instagram.

[B]

Oh, that's true. Yeah, I mean, I guess they are Instagram, but also like if they had.

[A]

Not bought Instagram, by the way, they'd be so fucked right now.

[B]

Are they threads? Does that matter?

[A]

They're threads.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

How did you use that?

[B]

No, I don't use any of that, so I hate social media. All right, anyway, unless it's clips from the show, then I love it. That's the way, that's the way it works. Speaking of stealing time from yourself, what a time to be alive. Samsung confirms that its 1800 plus dollar fridges will start showing you ads. So this was submitted by hyperzap. So Samsung's Samsung has confirmed that its fridge will start showing ads. There was a. Because you've seen these fridges with like the, the like household.

[A]

Yeah. They can look in your fridge now and tell you what you're low on.

[B]

Yep, yep. And they can schedule stuff. You can put like your calendar can be connected and there's little things like that. Well, it is now rolling out a new software update to its family hub refrigerators. And the update adds promotions and advertisements to refrigerators display when it's idle.

[A]

You get a cut of that?

[B]

No, of course not. And you know what I mean, like, but how fucking dumb is that? They thought. So this, this kind of leaked out. People saw like in some of the code that they were like, wait a minute, I think this is going to be ads. And everybody was like, no, it can't be ads. It's a $2,000 refrigerator. Yeah, like I get it for like hey, we're going to give you a TV for like 150 bucks. But when you, you know, when it's on idle, it's going to have ads. You're like, yeah, all right. But it's $150.

[A]

Right, right, right. You expect something like that is the.

[B]

Cost of it, but a crazy expensive refrigerator. And like, why the refrigerator, dude? Like, it's just.

[A]

Do you have a fridge that shows you shit on the outside?

[B]

I got. With the new. With the new kitchen, I got just.

[A]

Fuck it.

[B]

I don't even have a water dispenser or an ice dispenser on my fridge. Like, it is just fridge, fridge. It's a fridge.

[A]

You have a freezer.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the freezer does have an ice machine, which is nice because it makes ice.

[A]

But there's a purifier in there. A little. Little screw in it probably would. A new one.

[B]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But we have like one of those, like whole home water softener coconut husk. I don't know what the coconut is. It is. It's like a super. Although it's been broken for six months. I get a call those guys. Anyway, owning a home sucks, but it's nice. But sometimes you're like, why is that broken? But how crazy is that? That, like, talk about, like stealing time from you. You walk by the kitchen, you're like seeing a fucking KFC ad in my kitchen.

[A]

Yeah, it's tough because we have so many devices now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't look away from the Internet. Like, really? Like, my wife got this freaking dedicated calendar that is like, just for kids activities.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it's like now when I walk in, there's like a calendar just to remind me when to feed them, but it's got that on there. She put like lunch, and I'm like, I know lunch is at noon. Like, you don't have to add that as recurring like thing.

[B]

You know, you got to fill up that calendar. I've seen your calendar.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But it's on there. It. So I feel like that's got a display. My water filtration thing has a display now I got the frame tv. It's got its own little thing I have to pay for where to display artwork and shit.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

[A]

I just kind of like, would like to have less screens.

[B]

I mean, I don't disagree with you, dude.

[A]

Yeah, that's. Well, the good news is, like, there's plenty of fridges that don't have these things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if anything, people just won't buy this fridge. Although if you had one, that's the thing.

[B]

It's an update. It's a software update. That's kind of fucked up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That you spend all this money on this fridge. It's got all this cool tech stuff that you're excited about, and then just one day, it starts showing ads.

[A]

Yeah. I think you just disconnected from the Internet at that point. Right.

[B]

But, I mean, some of the ads are probably already downloaded locally. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah. I think people will push back on this, though. This has to be one of those things that when. When it gets out wide enough, people like, yeah, no. And then it kind of. You don't.

[B]

It's really funny because. So my little sister and her husband got. They redid their kitchen a while back, and they got this new oven, and it connects to WI Fi. And he was like. And like, the brand. It was the first version of it that connected to WI Fi. And, like, the motherboard broke, and so they couldn't use the oven, and it was like. But it only broke because there's a motherboard now, because you want to connect to WI Fi for some apps. And I was like, oh, yeah, that is a little weird. And then we got. When we redid our kitchen, our thing has WI fi. And I just set it up because I was like, yeah, why not? And now it's like. It's really funny because I'll set the oven and I'll go do something else, and I'll get a notification on my watch that the oven's up the temperature. And I'm like, oh, I do love that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I was like, that is very nice.

[A]

I had a smoker. I had a smoker. That was one of the Traeger smokers.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it would push. It'd be like, your meats at temp. And I'm like, that's pretty cool.

[B]

You know, I do like that stuff.

[A]

All right. Sometime.

[B]

Yeah, I get. Yeah, I have a meter. I have a meter thermometer. I've heard the combustion ink one is really, really good. I haven't gotten it yet. That's because it uses AI and three different. Three different periods of sensor. So basically, it can tell the outside temperature, the inside temperature, and then deep inside. And then it uses AI to. To figure out what. When approximately it will be done. And it's, like, really good. And so you can look and be like, oh, in 27 minutes, my chicken will be done.

[A]

I want to get a really good wood based grill. Oh, yeah, like cold, like wood charcoal.

[B]

Like, like a big green egg kind of thing.

[A]

Is that good for wood, not wood? That's.

[B]

That's charcoal. Yeah, yeah, I got that made in one, the little griddle box or grill box. And it's good. I feel like I need to get some of that. What the fuck?

[A]

Charcoal.

[B]

What the fuck?

[A]

Charcoal.

[B]

I need to get some of that Japanese, like the walnut one. Yeah, because it's like, it's such a small amount of room and it's like you go through charcoal a lot. So I haven't figured it out yet, but there's gotta be something good.

[A]

If you have a good wood based grill that you recommend, email us at dignationig.com? i got first trial.

[B]

And also if it's a wood based troll fryer.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. We gotta play that clip.

[B]

Thanks, Kimmy.

[A]

Wood based troll fire. Yeah, we'll send it to you.

[B]

Wood based troll fire.

[A]

Like we'll roll it right now.

[B]

How's that turkey coming? Looks delicious.

[A]

It's coming along great, Alex. I just got done slow basting it over a roasted wood troll fire.

[B]

What's a troll fire, Kevin? We were so dumb back then. Yeah, we were dumb, dude. It was great. Anyway, so Samsung tv, not that we're any. I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look at, look at how smart we are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's it.

[A]

We done?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, next story.

[B]

I was like, well, you have a sponsor or you have a story that was sent in by.

[A]

Oh, yes, by florp. Florp. On dig.com I put a little post saying, hey, what do you want to talk about? Yes, what are the stories I talk about? And actually most people took to it and said, these are the topics I want to talk about. Like more overarching things.

[B]

Interesting. Okay, so Floor had a topic.

[A]

This one was really dug up. And he said, you said in an interview, you want the Internet fun? Make the Internet fun again. Do you still think that's possible given the current climate? And how would you suggest doing that? Ooh, this is a tough one. Yeah, it has been a hell of a couple weeks.

[B]

Obviously we're also talking, we've been talking throughout this entire episode about this whole specific thing. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. So I think really what it comes down to, at least what we talk about internally at Dig, or what Justin is working on, is that we want to have there be places where people can commune, they can find like minded individuals and they can go deep on their weird like what is your version of your weird? And it turns out your weird is not so weird because there are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that also have said things like Japanese woodworking would, if we threw a lasso around everyone in the world that cares about it, it'd be in the millions of people, probably low digits, but there would be a big audience. So can we find those like minded people to come together and celebrate them when they are having positive impact on a community? It is a very hard task to do because ultimately what happens, what we found out, we've done a bunch of analysis here because we had a lot of people that said, hey, wouldn't it be better if we just banned politics? That was a valid question. Like maybe you just say this isn't the place for politics. But one of the things that we found when we looked at the actual data side is that back on the old dig, politics was largely confined to two categories, world news and politics. And now we have a system where political figures on both sides like to comment about everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so when you have somebody that is reaching out and has an opinion on the cracker barrel logo, then food is no longer safe as a category. So it is extending into everything. What we're kind of working on over the long term is when AI can sit at that intersection and understand the context of all conversations. One of the things that's nice about AI is you can say AI, I want to task you with removing all politics type banter from my feedback. If that is something you want to do. Yeah, you could also say AI Anytime I see something that is political, give me all perspectives. So it could develop and build a page for you that is giving you and let you touch on the different perspectives. And you know, there's so you. I think dig means time digging time to build these features. We want to get to a place where when you come in to dig, you feel that you're connecting with people that you care about that are having positive conversations. And if you want to dabble in the crazier stuff, you can, but at least you have the controls to say, that's not for me today, that's not for me ever, whatever it may be. You can dial that up and turn it on and turn it off. It is challenging. It's challenging because we will see that even some of our best contributors can get obviously triggered by what's going on in the world around them and have a bad day where you show up not the best version of yourself. We don't want to outright ban those people. But we also want to have tools to where if you don't want to engage with someone, someone or you want to say, that's not for my community. Yeah, you have the guardrails to be able to turn that on and say, let's exit out to the side here. Right.

[B]

I mean, it's really great that, that Digg is coming around in, you know, coming back around in this time period because it has the opportunity to sort of, you know, and it's good that you guys are letting it bake, you know what I mean? And especially with the, you know, current group of users and adding, expanding, you know, bringing other people in, because you have the opportunity to use these tools that have sort of come out of nowhere. I mean, like, I feel like AI, honestly, the quality of and useful AI is like two, three years. You know what I mean? Like, it's not been around for that long.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So to be able to utilize that in a way that helps, that helps bring people together in a weird way feels like how humanity should be utilizing AI.

[A]

You know, it's funny we talked about this because we found a model that can, with a high degree of accuracy, give you about 15 or 20 different data points in terms of tagging it for different types of conversation. So it can say, this is political, this is hate speech, this is violence, this is about finances. This is about all these different things. And you come back and you get a quality score on all these different metrics. Right. And so what that allow you to do is if you can do, if you can dynamically create feeds in real time, you could say, hey, I want less of this, more of that. Which is great. But what's really interesting is in a future version of this, if you can have it come up and kind of really understand what we almost think of it as. Like, as you're being onboarded to a new version of Digg as a new user comes in, let's just say it's January of next year, we open it up and it's available to all users.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're coming in, we almost think of these categories that are potentially hot button kind of topics. Yeah, it's more of almost like a closer to the not safe for work category where we almost, we always jokingly, internally like, called it not safe for Brain. Like it had its own tag, where when you join Digg, it can say, okay, here's all these fun topics that we think you'll enjoy. And by the way, do you want to enable this contentious kind of stuff. Do you want to partake in and see this version of Dig? Right. And it's not about it being porn or whatever, it's about being place where people go to actually have combat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yes, of course. Well, of course we'll ban the extremes of it. Like we want to not allow that on the platform. There are plenty of other platforms where people can go and just spout off about everything.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But if we can provide them a place where they opt into it, then they'll know that there's a way to opt out of it as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that's, that's something we're playing around. But this all takes this tooling. Hopefully it's not going well. This engineer that we just, I just talked to yesterday, Signs and if he does, then we've pretty much got the team, the go to market team that we need.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

And I would say into this year, early next year is going to be a really sweet time for Digg where a lot of the table stakes features will be out, which is must haves. And then more importantly, you'll start to see a trickle of new features where you're like, ah, that's why it's different than Reddit. Yeah, that's why it's unique, that's why it's special. It's going to take a few more months to get there, but that's what they're working on.

[B]

That's so cool, dude. It's going to be so great. I'm super excited.

[A]

Yeah, it'll be fine. I mean, it's all what I've told the team and what Justin Hammers home as CEO is, you know, it's on us to create a nimble platform where we can try and experiment with call it 10 to 15 things over the next. Call it 12 to 18 months from now. Three or four of those are going to be fucking awesome. And everyone's going to be like, yeah, those are amazing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Three or four of them are going to be like, oh my God, it didn't work. Let's do another revision of it. No, it didn't work. Let's rip it out.

[B]

Yep, yep, yep.

[A]

And then some of them will just straight up fail. And that's fine. But that's what you want. You want that rapid experimentation and to push things forward and that's what the team is hoping to do over the next 18 months.

[B]

That's so cool, dude. I'm super excited. I mean it's been fun. I mean, shit, it's been fun just doing the show again, you know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

Oh, by the way, I totally forgot at the beginning of the show, I was gonna say because somebody had mentioned in the slash dignation community on Digg, they were like, oh, I wish there was a place we could see this on like, you know, you should syndicate this out into like, like Spotify and like all this. We are. So if you are seeing this on, I mean now way deep into the episode on, on YouTube and you want to hear an audio version, we have them. They are available. It is out. Oh, there's a video version.

[A]

Yeah, it's a feature.

[B]

Oh, that's great.

[A]

Yeah, that's not a bug video video. I said the future, not that's a feature. It is also a feature.

[B]

That's amazing. So anyway. Yes. So you can get the audio version of this anywhere you find audio things or video on Spotify, which is crazy. I didn't even know that they did that.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

I'm literally gonna sign up when I get home because I'm done. I'm done with all this. Hoo ha, as they say. All right, next story. Doorbell prankster that tormented residents. Tormented residents in a German apartments. Turned out to be a slug. This was submitted by Eyon. I love this story for many reasons, mostly because it involves a slug. But also it gives me an opportunity time to talk about the time honored traditions of being a kid out in the world. Right. Like we talked about, like going outside being punishment now. So what happened was there was a block of apartments and you know how they have like the doorbell buzzers for each of the apartments. So one night all of a sudden, everybody's apartment started to get doorbell ditched. And they started calling the police because they were like, there's some teens out here that are fucking with this entire apartment block.

[A]

Because they would look on the camera and there was nobody there.

[B]

Yeah. And they'd be like. And then. And it was going apartment by apartment. So it was like one apartment would just be like, ring, ring, ring. And then they would be like, what? What's going on? Hello, hello. And nothing. And then the next apartment, ring, ring, ring. And when the police came, they found that there was a slug that was just going back and forth up and down on the call buttons and ringing all the apartments.

[A]

This is amazing.

[B]

Isn't this the best?

[A]

I mean, it's because it feels like the old news we used to get, remember in Anchorman where they're like, look at that chipmunk on the water skis. It used to be, like, the best shape where you'd be like, oh, it's so cool.

[B]

Water ski guy. I remember that from way back in the day. But this is the type of thing that makes you go. First off, I love the idea that there's, like, old German men shaking their fists at the teens outside and it turns out to just be a random slug.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

But did you see that there's a video of this kid going up and ringing a doorbell and just about to leave.

[A]

Oh, and he got caught.

[B]

And he got caught. He froze and he froze. And he was like, my dad told me that part of my childhood tradition. And she was like, what are you talking about? And then you see this guy sprinting down. He was like, just run, buddy.

[A]

Just run.

[B]

He's like, okay, I gotta go. Sorry. And he runs away. Like the stuff that we did as kids.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Just going through the neighborhood.

[A]

Did you toilet paper people?

[B]

I didn't. You didn't? I don't think so.

[A]

Oh, we gotta do that tonight, dude. You've never done that?

[B]

I don't think so. Oh, did I? Must have done at least.

[A]

So you take toilet paper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you get a little string and then you throw it over trees. Yeah, Just keep doing it over and over again. And they come out and they have, like, a Christmas tree style.

[B]

It's like, a little bit nicer than an egging. Oh, yeah. Egging would always get, like, hard and.

[A]

Oh, I egged a ton of people.

[B]

Oh, Carol, I could so see you doing that.

[A]

Is your egg people.

[B]

I didn't know what the fuck. I was a nice kid.

[A]

Oh, good.

[B]

You're like, it's not just me.

[A]

Well, I mean, egging was kind of like. It was kind of like the door, you know, we used to, like, you take shit, put it in the bag and then you light it on fire.

[B]

Like at the beginning of having the doorbell or not. Happy Gilmore. What's the one?

[A]

We used to do this for real.

[B]

Oh, I do.

[A]

My buddy Joey. Sorry, Joey, for watching this.

[B]

At least you're doing it to your friends.

[A]

He's a very nice real estate guy now. We actually put shit in some bag and we lit it on fire and then we rang the doorbell because you come out and then they stomp on.

[B]

It to put it out. Oh, my God, Kevin. Maybe it's better that children.

[A]

I also put Joey's hand in warm water and he pissed himself in our sleeping bag. I should. You not that was so bad.

[B]

I took bags.

[A]

Yeah. Joey and I got a bunch of fights. We didn't like each other. He goes by Joe now, but we didn't like each other.

[B]

Why were you hanging out so much then?

[A]

He was my neighbor, and he kind of moved in late, so he kind of felt like a threat because the other kids were.

[B]

And then it's always hard.

[A]

We just didn't quite click. And now he's a good dude. It's just like, we were just dumb. He punched me in the face one time completely out of nowhere. Well, we were kind of getting each other's face, and he punched me in the face. I was much smaller than him, and he knocked my teeth to where I had, like, some loose teeth, like, in the bottom row. But what was funny is he hit me in the face and I went down and then I kicked him in the balls and he dropped.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And my dad came out and was like, what's going on here? And he, like, broke us up, blah, blah. And Joe was like, twice my size. And my friend Travis comes over and he's like, yeah, they got in a fight. Blah, blah. And then Kevin, like, kitchen balls. And my dad's like, does he hurt him? And he's like, yeah. He's like, okay, just go in the backyard. Like, I didn't get in trouble. Like, my dad was kind of proud that I, like, defended myself because I.

[B]

Was a little runt.

[A]

I was a very small boy.

[B]

So I just feel like the kids. It's so funny. Kids nowadays is. I feel like such an. Oh, it's like Old Man River. I'm doing the thing. It's just. I feel bad. Although I do feel good because, like, I like to play video games with my friends. And I don't play video games by myself as much as I play video games when I'm playing with friends. And it feels like I'm hanging out with my friends.

[A]

When you play video games with them.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like it's. It's. There is something to being able to, you know, connect with your friends on a regular basis without having to go. And you can have friends that are in different cities. Like, I remember when I moved, I changed cities or towns or whatever the fuck, and it was only, like 25 minutes away, but that felt like a year away when you're like, 13. You know what I mean? Or 12. And so I wouldn't see my friends that were in my neighborhood that often. And it was like, if we were playing video games together, I could Just be like, great, we'll just hop on Fortnite or hop on Roblox or whatever.

[A]

The hell kids are playing, right? You playing Roblox now?

[B]

No, I'm just saying, when children play it. I don't even play Fortnite.

[A]

I want to play that new game everyone was talking about. It was, like. Didn't come out for, like, 10 years, and then it finally came out. You know what I'm talking about? Justin's all excited about it.

[B]

Oh, do you mean Hollow Knight? Silk.

[A]

Silk.

[B]

Silk Song.

[A]

Silk Song. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it good?

[B]

I don't know. I haven't played it.

[A]

Okay, I want to play it.

[B]

I don't play single player games unless it's like, couch co op. I can't. I just don't.

[A]

Yeah. Hollow Knight. Silk Song.

[B]

Silk Song. It's supposedly really hard.

[A]

Yeah, I heard that.

[B]

Looks gorgeous, though.

[A]

They have it for the. The new switch, too.

[B]

Oh, did you get a new switch?

[A]

I did. I got the switch, too. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, you should tell me.

[A]

I mean, it's so good for the kids. They. They love it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. I get that.

[A]

All right.

[B]

We have been talking for a long time now. How long?

[A]

Last story.

[B]

Have we been talking or.

[A]

None.

[B]

Oh, great. None.

[A]

My last story was. Okay, we'll save for next time.

[B]

Perfect. I love it. Guys. Thank you for coming to Kevin's new additional dwelling unit. Additional dwelling unit accoutrement. Accoutrement dwelling unit. That is it for this week's edition of Dig Nation. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[A]

I'm Kevin Rose. Until next time, hasta la pasta. Get your LED therapy.