Bitcoin Hits ATH, Tron 3 Leaks, & Mike Tyson vs AI| EP 006 | Diggnation

Summary

Podcast Summary: Diggnation (Rebooted) - EP 006: "Bitcoin Hits ATH, Tron 3 Leaks, & Mike Tyson vs AI"

Release Date: November 20, 2024

Hosts:

• Alex Albrecht (A)
• Kevin Rose (B)

Guest:

• Danny (C)

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1. Bitcoin Reaches All-Time High

Discussion: The episode kicks off with an exhilarating update on Bitcoin, highlighting its surge to an all-time high of approximately $90,000, shortly peaking at $94,000. The hosts delve into the factors contributing to this unprecedented rise, focusing on MicroStrategy's substantial investment in Bitcoin.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex Albrecht [02:18]: "Microstrategy stock hits all-time high as Bitcoin breaks 90,000."
• Kevin Rose [02:28]: "So Bitcoin for no apparent reason has really skyrocketed, breaking all time highs."

Insights:

• MicroStrategy's Role: Kevin explains how MicroStrategy, originally a business information technology company, strategically invested around $2 billion in Bitcoin between 2017 and 2018, leveraging its capital to capitalize on Bitcoin's growth.
• Personal Reflections: Alex shares personal anecdotes about the company's origins in Tysons Corner, Virginia, and his surprise at never having heard of MicroStrategy before their Bitcoin surge.

2. Reflections on Bitcoin Investments

Discussion: The conversation shifts to personal investment strategies and the psychological aspects of holding versus liquidating Bitcoin assets. Both hosts reflect on missed opportunities and the impact of Bitcoin's volatility on personal finances.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex Albrecht [08:11]: "If I had done that since the beginning, I'd be rolling in many, many millions."
• Kevin Rose [09:08]: "I've only ever kept Bitcoin and lost Bitcoin."

Insights:

• Investment Strategies: Alex discusses his initial approach to Bitcoin investment, intending to hold until reaching $1 million per coin, only to realize the necessity of selling portions to realize gains.
• Tax Implications: They touch upon the importance of adhering to tax obligations when liquidating Bitcoin assets through platforms like Coinbase.

3. AI Conversations and Meme Coin Creation

Discussion: The hosts delve into the intersection of artificial intelligence and cryptocurrency, recounting an experiment where large language models (LLMs) created a meme coin centered around the infamous "Goatse" meme.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex Albrecht [71:08]: "They created the Goatcoin, that was created by a bunch of LLMs that went... created this cult around Goatse."
• Kevin Rose [73:07]: "What you think is going to be different, the safety question you run up is always like the main thing."

Insights:

• Emergent Behaviors in AI: The discussion highlights how LLMs, when left to interact in a chat group, began forming a faux religion around the "Goatse" meme, leading to the creation of "Goatcoin" with a valuation of approximately $10 million.
• Ethical Implications: Danny joins the conversation to emphasize the complexities and ethical considerations in AI development, particularly concerning malicious behaviors and the subjective nature of defining "malicious."

4. EV Battery Technology and the Future of Electric Vehicles

Discussion: Alex and Kevin explore advancements in electric vehicle (EV) battery technology, specifically the transition from graphite to silicon anodes, promising doubled range, enhanced safety, and faster charging times.

Notable Quotes:

• Kevin Rose [28:35]: "Yes, they have their own configuration for generative AI at Meta."
• Alex Albrecht [30:01]: "But here's a little different... 600 miles on a charge with this new battery technology."

Insights:

• Silicon vs. Graphite Anodes: The hosts discuss how replacing graphite anodes with silicon can significantly increase battery capacity and efficiency, potentially eliminating range anxiety for EV owners.
• Future Projections: They speculate on achieving over 1,000-mile ranges within five years, transforming the EV landscape and further solidifying electric cars' dominance over traditional gasoline-powered vehicles.

5. Mark Zuckerberg’s Musical Endeavors with T-Pain

Discussion: A lighter segment covers Mark Zuckerberg's unexpected collaboration with musician T-Pain, sparking amusement and curiosity among the hosts about the motivations behind such a partnership.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex Albrecht [39:18]: "Mark Zuckerberg making an album with T-Pain? What the fuck is going on in this world..."
• Kevin Rose [40:51]: "He's making his own fashion now."

Insights:

• Unexpected Collaborations: The hosts humorously critique Zuckerberg's choice of collaborator, questioning the strategic thinking behind pairing with T-Pain instead of more mainstream artists.
• Fashion Ventures: They also touch upon Zuckerberg's foray into fashion branding, expressing skepticism and amusement over his new clothing line.

6. Saturation of Streaming Services

Discussion: Alex and Kevin discuss the overwhelming proliferation of streaming services, expressing frustration over the fragmented landscape reminiscent of traditional cable TV networks.

Notable Quotes:

• Kevin Rose [47:22]: "Every streaming service should just say, if you wanna watch that one show, it's 10 bucks."
• Alex Albrecht [48:10]: "This is what I'm saying. Yeah, I think people are going to have... there's gonna be a consolidation."

Insights:

• User Experience: They lament the inconvenience of managing multiple subscriptions for different shows, advocating for a more streamlined, per-show payment model.
• Market Consolidation: The hosts predict a future consolidation of streaming platforms, similar to the early days of cable television, to simplify access and reduce consumer fatigue.

7. AI Hallucinations and Ethical Concerns

Discussion: The conversation returns to artificial intelligence, focusing on the phenomenon of AI hallucinations—instances where AI generates incorrect or misleading information—and the broader ethical implications of AI autonomy.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex Albrecht [76:44]: "If we're really going to build an AI, why do we expect it to tell the truth?"
• Kevin Rose [80:05]: "It's really sad stuff like..."

Insights:

• AI Reliability: The hosts explore the challenges of ensuring AI systems maintain factual accuracy and ethical behavior, especially as they gain more autonomy and integration into daily life.
• Sentience and Responsibility: Danny emphasizes the importance of responsible AI deployment, highlighting the nuances in defining and preventing malicious AI behavior.

8. Personal Stories on Male Friendship and Depression Support

Discussion: Towards the end of the episode, Alex and Kevin share personal anecdotes about the importance of male friendships in combating depression and fostering emotional support among men.

Notable Quotes:

• Kevin Rose [90:44]: "The power that comes from watching another dude cry... there's a lot of tears."
• Alex Albrecht [91:01]: "If you do feel like this, there are so many people in your phone, you could just text and say, hey, what's going on."

Insights:

• Emotional Vulnerability: The hosts discuss how platforms and groups that encourage men to express vulnerability can significantly improve mental health and strengthen friendships.
• Technology’s Role: They ponder the potential for technology to facilitate deeper connections, suggesting apps that remind individuals to reach out to friends they haven't contacted in a while.

9. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Summary: The episode concludes with the hosts reiterating the importance of maintaining genuine relationships and leveraging technology responsibly to enhance social connections and personal well-being. They encourage listeners to actively reach out to friends and support each other, emphasizing that despite technological advancements, human connection remains paramount.

Notable Quotes:

• Kevin Rose [98:25]: "Call your friends and the away."
• Alex Albrecht [98:53]: "That's really, that's really cool, man."

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Closing Remarks: Alex Albrecht and Kevin Rose wrap up Episode 006 of Diggnation (Rebooted) with reflections on the discussed topics, anticipation for future episodes, and invitations to follow their channels across various platforms. They emphasize the blend of technology, personal experiences, and cultural phenomena that define their unique take on internet narratives.

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Note: This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from Episode 006 of Diggnation (Rebooted), providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the full podcast.

Transcript

[A]

Nobody from the government listens to this, right?

[B]

Have you ever bought shit on the Dark Web?

[A]

I can't talk about that.

[B]

Yeah, this is a show that covers a lot of the fringy, weird, a little bit of everything around the Internet as found on various social news sites. The genie is out of the bottle and more and more governments are gonna put this on their books.

[A]

Who's the fucking laughingstock now, dicks?

[B]

You're definitely the more dominant one with the guarantee. I feel a little like, first off.

[A]

Nobody'S just standing in the fucking flight school at a zombie apocalypse. Guys, don't take the planes.

[B]

I love a little bit of horror. Horror, horror.

[A]

It's the best. Star wars.

[B]

Really? Yes.

[A]

There's a male depression epidemic.

[B]

If you knew that you could trust the men around the table to not judge you, not try and fix you, but just listen to you and support you.

[A]

Yeah. Welcome to dignation. Also potentially hazardous to your health.

[B]

All right, moving on. Why do you have flies when you're freaking out? I noticed this earlier.

[A]

It's Southern California and I have fruit.

[B]

You put zombie and you put eerie in the title and I don't want to do it.

[A]

Dignation.com hello everybody and welcome to the Dignation reboot. Episode number six. I'm Alex Albrecht and yes, I am currently rocking a goatee in remembrance of my time in the 90s.

[B]

It's a new world.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Welcome to the show. This is a show that covers a lot of the fringy, weird, outrageous, technology driven technology, hint of technology, a little bit of everything around the Internet as found on various social news sites, sometimes on digg.com.

[A]

That'S correct. And this is Kevin Rose because he neglected to mention say that.

[B]

Nice to meet you.

[A]

So not a lot of stuff going on this week.

[B]

Pretty tame week.

[A]

Yeah, it's pretty normal. Nothing really big happening.

[B]

Really average week.

[A]

This is just a standard, standard week. So we here at dignation are just going to do our standard show for everybody out there because that's what we're here for.

[B]

For everyone.

[A]

Speaking of no reason for anything to have happened. Our first story.

[B]

This is nuts.

[A]

Microstrategy stock hits all time high as Bitcoin breaks 90,000.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So Bitcoin for no apparent reason has really skyrocketed, breaking all time highs. I think currently right now we're recording what on like Wednesday? It's like I think 89k.

[B]

Yeah, it broke 90k for a hot minute there.

[A]

It was 94 this morning when I woke up.

[B]

So crazy. The hell is going a little over 90k right now. Yeah.

[A]

So I, like a lot of people had no idea what MicroStrategy was, but a couple days after bitcoin was starting to really kind of creep up, they bought like $2 billion worth of Bitcoin. And I looked into them. So they've been around since like 89, I think they started. I mean, they still do sort of like business information technology stuff. So they're, you know, software that helps businesses be better at businessing. And they've done that a lot. All the. Funny enough, started in Wilmington, Delaware, moved to Tysons Corner, Virginia, which is where I grew up. So I was like, oh. And at the time that I was there, so it's super weird. I was like, oh, my God, I wonder if like.

[B]

And you never even heard of them?

[A]

I've never heard of them.

[B]

Well, they're probably a lot smaller. I mean, they.

[A]

They're very B2B and you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And they started. I think it was Angel.com or. Oh, is it really some dot com that they. That they started.

[B]

They've been known for buying a bitcoin now for a long time. I mean, long time is in years now. They've been buying a bitcoin.

[A]

Yeah. Starting in like 2018, 2017, something like that. They started going, hey, we have all this capital coming in and obviously, as tech people, I mean, you know, we. I mean, shit. This is the funny thing is like, we're talking about a story about bitcoin. I would love to go back and see the first time that we ever mentioned bitcoin on dignation.

[B]

Did we talk about dignation?

[A]

We talked about it so many fucking times on.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

Oh, my God. We talked about it.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Yeah, we talked about it when we were getting emails of people that were paying 30, 40, 50 Bitcoin for a fucking pizza.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Send us an email if you remember.

[B]

A little segments, if you can find our first mention.

[A]

We have been talking about it for millennia. Let's just say millennia. And I've been in and out of bitcoin many times, I think most recently. And we might have even talked about this on the reboot shows, but I had a handful of coin at BlockFi. Yeah. Which is okay because I got it all back.

[B]

Yeah, but you had no idea.

[A]

I had no idea. And I was like. And at the time, it was like.

[B]

You were getting interest on it and shit, right?

[A]

Dude, it was my cash back.

[B]

Oh, that's right. It was my fucking crypto Percent cash back in bitcoin or something, right?

[A]

Legend told me about it. I was like, what credit card? We were talking. I was at one of your parties.

[B]

I know. And I was like a lot of people about block.

[A]

I was like, what could I like, what's my credit card? I have points. Like, cuz I don't know how to do the fucking points on. Chris is like a ninja with that shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have so many points. I'm like, I just. I don't care. Somebody like, somebody make a website where I can just put in my points and then they can go, do you want to go to Bolivia? They have that or some shit. Maybe I can't find it, make it easy. But anyway, he said, blockfi, you know, getting your percentage back in bitcoin. So it was great. And by the way, fucking amazing conversation starter. Every restaurant give him the credit card and the guy comes back or the girl comes back and goes, so is that like a bitcoin credit card? And I was like, well, sit down. Let me tell you about this, right?

[B]

You bankrupt like a thousand people.

[A]

My friend's buddy at a party told me this is the best thing to do. So I did it. And I love it and it's great and I made it.

[B]

You probably onboarded like a thousand people that are now bankrupt because of you.

[A]

Not bankrupt.

[B]

I got my buddy back. I got my buddy.

[A]

I got peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace.

[B]

Listen, I had the fucking FTX founder on my podcast.

[A]

Oh my God, that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, he was on there and he seemed legit, and I was always like, I don't know, you're a nice guy, you play video games.

[A]

That's it. I know nothing about banking. Oh, you play video games? Well, come on.

[B]

This guy, he was a nice enough guy, but it is really weird. I have two. Two people, him and Do Kwon, that created that stablecoin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I had two people that are now either on the run or in jail on my podcast.

[A]

That is amazing. First off, in the now version of podcasts, that's actually amazing. Like that's something you could put in your Wikipedia in the like now version of podcasting.

[B]

I went back and listened after republish.

[A]

Did you?

[B]

Nothing criminal, nothing cryptic. Okay, so juicy. So Mal checked it out. He was pretty tame, wasn't he? Yeah.

[A]

He's not gonna come on and be like, so it's a total p. I gave my girlfriend $70 billion. But hey, everybody, keep on coming. It's all fine. Nobody from the government listens to this.

[B]

Right. I almost invested, though. Like, I was looking at it and, well, the thing is, like, they were one of the first to embrace Solana, which is one of the up and coming coins, and they were known as, like, the place to go and trade.

[A]

Solana was founded in Solana beach, right down the street and, like, San Diego, right? Isn't that why they called it that?

[B]

But, like, I think they.

[A]

I feel like they were in.

[B]

When I first met Toly, who's the founder, he was in SF and he was ex Motorola. Qualcomm. Ex Qualcomm.

[A]

Oh, well, that's San Diego.

[B]

And is it San Diego. So that makes sense. Yeah. So.

[A]

So here's the thing that I've. I think I've talked about this on many, many podcasts, and I will say that I changed my tune a little bit, but my thing that I was going to say was, yeah, I was in this mindset of, like, okay, when it comes to bitcoin, I'm going to hold my bitcoin until I have a million dollars worth of bitcoin, okay? Then I'm going to sell half, and then I'm going to hold my bitcoin until I have a million dollars worth of bitcoin.

[B]

My God, I did that.

[A]

I'm going to sell half, then I have the wallet. And the whole thing is. That sounds so stupid right now at 90,000 coins. Like, what the fuck? But had I done that since the beginning, I'd be rolling in many, many, many millions. Here's where it changed. My buddy Jerry, we're playing video games. And I was like, dude, bitcoin. Fuck, dude. It's up to, like, 27 grand a coin. I made. This is. I've made so much money today. And he was like, yeah, you didn't. And I was like, no, I did. I got all this money. And he was like, who has the.

[B]

Accent, you or Jerry?

[A]

Jerry. I mean, neither of us, but just illustrative process. The accent guy is.

[B]

Who was who? Okay, so Jerry's like, yeah, it's like, money.

[A]

No, I was like, oh, I guess I had the accent. Anyway, a lot of people were saying things, but I was telling my buddy, oh, my God, I'm so excited.

[B]

Bitcoin just.

[A]

I made so much fucking money. That was me. This is me now. And then my buddy Jerry was like, no, you didn't. And I was like, no, I did, dude. Look, it's like, you could. I could show you the receipts. And he's like, no, you can't.

[B]

He's like, there's no such thing as receipts. You can't.

[A]

There's no such thing. That's not a word you're saying. Receipts.

[B]

You mean receipts.

[A]

And also. Not applicable. Not applicable. I'll show you my transaction history. So I realized I'm. I've only ever. I've never spent my bitcoin on anything. I've only ever kept Bitcoin and lost Bitcoin.

[B]

You buy shit with bitcoin?

[A]

No, but, I mean, I've. Fuck.

[B]

Like, you're not in this grocery store buying shit with bitcoin.

[A]

Well, guess what? You can.

[B]

I know you can get those cards, but nobody does.

[A]

No, not the cards. You know how easy it is to, like, send Bitcoin to coinbase, liquidate, and send to your bank account?

[B]

Have you ever bought shit on the Dark Web?

[A]

I don't even. You gotta tell me about the Dark Web.

[B]

I gotta show you about it sometimes. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I know about it. Like, the.

[B]

It's dark. It's dark.

[A]

The dark. I know where it is.

[B]

Have you ever been out there?

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

I used to see it. It's cool.

[A]

Okay, well, this.

[B]

This will be great, but you have to use it.

[A]

Next episode will tell you what shit he show. Anyway, long story short, I want. I dec. That I would use this money that I got back from blockfi that I did not think I would get back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that I would use that money to do shit. So, like, we're redoing our kitchen.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I'm paying for it in bitcoin.

[B]

And this is like a year ago or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, this was like, maybe two years ago.

[B]

Oh, fuck.

[A]

But the best thing is, the thing with bitcoin is because it keeps going up every time I fucking do something. I have the same amount of money worth of bitcoin in, like, two months.

[B]

Yeah, but you're not. You're not doing the math.

[A]

I don't. I always did the math, and then I never had the money. So what I want to do is the math with some money. Right?

[B]

I get you. I get you.

[A]

I want the new kitchen, Right? And then I'll have some money.

[B]

But also, you could also. If you had just kept the coin, you could probably have five new kitchens at this point.

[A]

Bro, if I had not got a new kitchen and invested that money in coin and then held that coin for five years, I would have time enough money to buy 10 kitchens. Yeah, but the point is, my buddy Jerry was correct. I did not have made any monies unless I sell So I just started doing that. I was like, you know, this five grand, like, I want to get a new couch. Bitcoin couch now.

[B]

Did you pay tax on that?

[A]

I mean, I will when it's tax time. I'm not going to not pay tax.

[B]

Where'd you sell it at?

[A]

Coinbase.

[B]

Okay, then. Okay. You have to, then. Yeah.

[A]

First off, I'm not, like, going on Facebook, Marketplace and being like, hey, people do that. Some bitcoin, but give me chance.

[B]

People do that. They like bullion and shit. And, like, gold bullion.

[A]

They said that bitcoin now has surpassed the value of silver. It's now the 8th. The 8th highest value asset you can hold.

[B]

Huh. That's so cool.

[A]

Isn't that nuts?

[B]

So well, here's. Okay, let me. Let me chime in now. Okay.

[A]

Chime, chime.

[B]

Here's my chime. My chime is that I have, like, you. If you go back and you look at my tweets over the last, like, freaking. Since 2012 was the first time, I think I Tweeted by Bitcoin 2011 Whenever it came out. And I was like, dude, I'm so stoked. $800. And of course, I was like, I paid 10, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I fucking, like, bought, like, a grand worth or whatever. I'm like, I'm fucking out. That was great, dude.

[A]

I remember the fucking restaurant. You brought a thumb drive with your bitcoin on it to LA because you were worried it was gonna, like, get fucked up. And you were at. We were at dinner. Remember you. Yeah, the two of us.

[B]

I know what it was.

[A]

And you were like, I got this fucking money. And it just hit. Oh, my God. And then, of course, the next day, liquidated.

[B]

I have that wallet. Hold on, let me see. Was it 90,000? Now I know how much that is worth. Jesus. I had 145 Bitcoin on that wallet, and it's worth 13 million today. I saw.

[A]

Wait, but nobody wants to. I mean, I literally was just saying I'm not. So here's where I flip. Doing the.

[B]

Here's why I flipped. I have realized now that what is happening. And we've seen little hints and bits of this, and I've tweeted about this years ago, but now I'm actually starting to see it actually happen. Where is the Governments are buying and holding. Sometimes secretively, sometimes.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Is it Argentina? Who?

[B]

Argentina has, like, a bunch of people about it.

[A]

The President just came out and was like, who's the fucking laughingstock now, dude?

[B]

He.

[A]

Gdp. Exactly. But Just in Spanish.

[B]

Exactly. Oh, by the way, Addison's here.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Technically. Would have been our first sponsor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then people go, and it's like the coupon code doesn't work. Fuck do you get?

[B]

Exactly, exactly. And it charges them more. Okay, so we should totally do that. Just like see how many dumb people. There's a lot of smart people. Everybody's smart out there. Everybody's smart. So basically the champagne juice was straight to my head out of nowhere.

[A]

That's literally its job.

[B]

Its job. So I've flipped though. And for some reason I have like realized shit, okay, if you had to project out 20 years from now, this is no longer a fad. Clearly. It's no longer. The genie is out of the bottle. It is going to be used more and more as a decentralized, non pegged government, fixed quantity, non inflationary asset reserve currency. And more and more governments are going to put this on their books. There's only fucking 21 million coins. Yeah, like, dude, it's. So I'm gone from looking at the price actually, like, oh, this is just a part of my portfolio forever as a hedge against inflation.

[A]

Oh, that's an interesting way to think about it.

[B]

We are printing shit, tons of money. And I don't care what administration you're talking about. It's happening all the time. Time. And Bitcoin is that hedge, you know, and it's also that portable hedge.

[A]

So are you. Oh, it's a portable hedge.

[B]

Meaning like, it's like you can bring.

[A]

Your privacy screen to your own party.

[B]

If I need to go to a different country, I got my.

[A]

Taking my hedge. Yeah, you take your hedge, unroot that and take it to Puerto Rico.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Plant it in my new yard.

[B]

What?

[A]

Let me ask you this then, please. Since you're not looking at the price is your job. But you are. But if you're not. But you are, is your goal then to have a set amount, like number of coins?

[B]

Yes, my. My goal right now. So back in the day, it was 2% of my overall portfolio. So 2% of net worth.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

And that can mean whatever that means to you. I am now in the like 5% to 10% camp, which is high. But.

[A]

It's high. But it's not really, really. Unless you need. Unless you need access to it.

[B]

But then you have access to it because you can sell it.

[A]

This is why you have access to it. But I mean, like, actually, it's probably more access than, like, my guy. Like, I gotta call JP Morgan and be like, hey, I need some capital. Could you just sell some stuff?

[B]

Let me give you. Let me give you the extra crazy shit.

[A]

Which, by the way, I love my guy, J.P. morgan. I don't know why I made him sound like an idiot. He's got all my money, he's watching.

[B]

He's like, fuck that guy.

[A]

Love you, Kevin.

[B]

All right. Is his name Kevin?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, that's nice. So here's the deal, dude. Check this shit out.

[A]

By the way, that's dangerous.

[B]

So. I know it's dangerous. Everybody freaks out when I do this. I. Freaking out. No other place to.

[A]

You know what? I know what it is. I.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna get us some gifts for next time.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm gonna get some gifts.

[B]

Listen.

[A]

Oh, speaking of which.

[B]

Wearing your Crocs. Oh, do they feel good?

[A]

They fucking. I love these things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. That was the end of that. Moving on. Kevin gave it to him.

[B]

I bought him. You're not watching dignation, dude.

[A]

Bro, get by the way. That's enough. Thank you. Well, that's all we need. Set up some autonomous laptops downloading.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Kevin, it's fucking hot in here.

[B]

I know. I gotta turn down the air.

[A]

And you're the one.

[B]

Set the AC to 69. Can you set it set to 424?

[A]

We're all gonna die.

[B]

I'm just kidding. He said it was something stupid. Okay, so here's the deal. What I did with my 401k or. Sorry, my IRA turned off econ mode down there. It's turned cool. There's a thing that says cool or econ. You want to turn on cool mode.

[A]

How is this not on?

[B]

Drop it down. Oh, yeah, 78. Jesus. You don't normally cool down here. Because nobody's down here. Thank you. Okay, so here's the deal.

[A]

Like a fucking married couple.

[B]

Old haggled married couple. Tea? You're definitely the coaches, right? You're definitely the more dominant one with the goatee. I gotta say, it was a power. I feel a little powerful. I feel a little like, hey, you can take me. All right, Kevin. Okay, so listen, talk about your IRA. No, what I do with the 400 with IRA is I sold all of my stocks in my IRA and bought Easy BC, which is Franklin Templeton's Bitcoin ETF. And the reason I did that is because of the lowest cost ETF in terms of how much they charge you per year.

[A]

So you're not actually holding bitcoin.

[B]

You're just my retirement account.

[A]

Oh, right.

[B]

And so.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Distributions when you retire. So you just let that compound do all its shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it's like, hundred percent.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bitcoin in my retirement account.

[A]

Oh, that's. That's your entire retirement account? Yeah, dog.

[B]

I mean, let's go, dude.

[A]

We are going. We are going.

[B]

Anyway. 90k is nuts. It's.

[A]

It's. I mean, it's crazy because, like, I mean, I guess I've always been. I always say this, and I know I've said this before. I hate to be a broken record, but it's a good record. It's my favorite. When bitcoin was at 20 bucks, saying bitcoin was going to go to 100 bucks was ridiculous.

[B]

Ridiculous, absurd, laughable.

[A]

When bitcoin was 100, saying it's going to go to a thousand was like. I mean, I remember these milestones where it was like, well, never break a thousand. Oh, that's ridiculous. Now it's poison. Whoa, that's got a funk.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That smells like beef jerky.

[B]

Addison brought this for us.

[A]

I'm very interested to see.

[B]

It's pickle beer. It's child's beer. No, this is why I brought up a child's beer. I'm like, changes your pee to blue. Changes your pee to blue. Ooh. God damn it. Why did you bring me pickle beer?

[A]

It's all the rage.

[B]

This is the rage. Pickle beer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Donna's was backstage at the Garden eating pickle contest and created a beer.

[A]

I will say, my buddy tried the coke with pickle juice.

[B]

It grows on you.

[A]

Coke with pickle juice?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was like, this is actually good.

[B]

Like, with, like, something in it. Like alcohol.

[A]

No, just coke. No, just coke. It was, like, a thing that people are. Hold on, I got it. God damn it. There you go. I got it. Well, hold on.

[B]

You got to try one of these pickle beers first.

[A]

Yeah, well, cracker. Cracker, cracker.

[B]

I mean, maybe I do love mixing wine with pickles. Yeah, you can't mix wine with pickles. Yeah, that's not.

[A]

Yeah. I will say, well, first off, challenge accepted. Secondly, I'm gonna get a new computer. So the other thing is that I have for many, many, many, many, many, many years been the person who tries to convince people because it's awesome to eat peanut butter and pickles. It is the fucking best snack. Thank you. It's the best snack. It's sweet with the peanuts that are like sweet and salty, but then there's that hit of the sour from the brine.

[B]

That sounds horrible, by the way.

[A]

It's so good. I've literally given it to so many people and converted them. Every single friend.

[B]

Hey, let's shoot an episode of your house. Yeah, we used to shoot episodes. There would be the people that have like. Do you still have the same couch?

[A]

No. Oh, wait, no, wait.

[B]

Do you really?

[A]

No, I. Wait, dude, I. Listen, 12 years ago, if I had the same couch, you'd be like, oh, you should get rid of the scouts.

[B]

That's fair. That's fair. It was already kind of haggled by the.

[A]

Oh, well, that one was 20 years old.

[B]

Yeah, the fucking.

[A]

From like Pompa or like fucking Pier 1 Imports.

[B]

Try this, try this. First of all, give it a shot. Okay.

[A]

Should I smell it?

[B]

No, just go straight in. Okay, here we go. And beer Advocate rating at 1 out of 10.

[A]

Oh, that's delightful.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Bomb. What's the ABV on this stuff? I don't really.

[A]

Four and a half, Three or four.

[B]

See, I don't drink anything under seven. Well, I just like, what are you doing then? You're just like, eh. It's like a daytime.

[A]

I mean, I will say I'm gonna continue drinking wine because I'm not in the mood for a beer right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I will say this is something I'm going to buy and I'm going to bring to, like, beach parties.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

Lake parties.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By the way, pickle chips, have you had pickle chips?

[B]

I do like those. Yeah. Fuck yeah.

[A]

Spicy dill pickle chips.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fucking great. So I'm on board with Donna's pickle chip.

[B]

If you'd like to sponsor Donna's, please reach out to save email address that.

[A]

Kevin forgets all the time.

[B]

Dignation does show.

[A]

Did we get an email for today?

[B]

Oh, we have emails, but we haven't checked them.

[A]

Okay, all right, check them live. Here we go. Next story, next story, next story.

[B]

This is an important one. So we're.

[A]

That was an important one.

[B]

I agreed.

[A]

Tyson, so funny.

[B]

And Jake Paul.

[A]

So it's funny. This was.

[B]

It sucks, dude. I'm actually traveling.

[A]

I'm traveling too. I'm in Arizona.

[B]

That doesn't count.

[A]

How does not being at your home not count as travel?

[B]

You can watch the show. I'm gonna be in Paris.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's true. Paris has Netflix.

[B]

I checked the time. So here's the deal, it starts at 2am and by the time he comes on, it's gonna be like two hours later, Right? Three hours of fucking things. I just wake up early and just fucking watch it. I need to watch this fight, though. Dude, We've been talking about it. So I did some research.

[A]

This was literally the thing that we talked. This was on the reunion show before we even decided to start doing this on the regs.

[B]

I use Perplexity, and they're not a sponsor, but they might actually want to be.

[A]

Oh, who is? What's Perplexity?

[B]

Is this AI tool. Did you not use Black Plexi?

[A]

You are my AI guru. I try things three point something million.

[B]

Dollars of Perplexity codes on my newsletter last week, bro.

[A]

Send.

[B]

I'll send you a code. You get free. $200 free. Here's the deal. 14 ounce gloves, which are more sparring gloves. So it's like more surface area, less damage. But I did a little research on Perplexity and I'm not joking. I did actually use that. It's not an ad. Yeah, yeah. You if you think it is. No, no, no. Fuck you. But like, don't fuck you.

[A]

And also, if it wasn't ads, that's also good. And Perplexity, call us because we need to start doing some ads.

[B]

We'll start doing that soon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. So the scientific studies that have been done on Tyson punches, even today.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Can generate around 1600 joules of force or.

[A]

That sounds like a lot of joules.

[B]

1300-1400 pounds of force. So now a rough. A rough. And I'm not making this up. This is fucking AI. A rough. Full force kick to the nuts is about 100 joules of force. Okay?

[A]

That's. That is very minimal joules to the joules to make me die.

[B]

So hold on, hold on. Now listen to this. So I asked Perplexity, what does this compare to? Like, what would you say? A punch with how many joules of force? Like, what does it mean? So it's equivalent of being hit by a Vespa scooter going nine miles an hour, which doesn't sound bad, but hold on, let me keep going. Okay, it is being shot. That's bad. In general, it's already bad. Being shot by. This is so AI being shot by 13 people using.22 caliber pistols while wearing a flak jacket.

[A]

Wait, 13 people shoot you at the exact same time with a.20 caliber. First off, being shot by with 22s.

[B]

But 13 jacket though on too.

[A]

Oh, boy. A Flak jacket. Yeah.

[B]

Not track jacket. Track jacket. You'd be dead. Yeah.

[A]

So bullet point, bulletproof.

[B]

Blackjack is like bulletproof. Okay. Dispersing those. Shooting with the fucking track jacket.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. AI is just showing you like all the Guy Ritchie movies lined up in one. If you were in 13 scenes in a Guy Ritchie movie and everybody had.

[B]

A 22, this was the most relevant to me. That where I know where I felt like, oh, I could feel that.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

It's like falling from seven feet of a tall ladder and landing sideways on concrete. Oh, yeah, that's.

[A]

Oh my punch.

[B]

That's when he hits it with full force. Oh, yeah, that's.

[A]

I can imagine the air leaving your body. Yes.

[B]

Now this is equivalent of 13 strong kicks to the nut simultaneously. 13.

[A]

First off, I'm nervous that perplexity keeps talking about getting kicked in the nut. To be fair, perplexity is like, I mean, a human only nose getting swiftly kicked in the nuts.

[B]

To be fair, I did encourage perplexity. Oh, you were like, give me more nut related content. Explain it to me.

[A]

Explain it to me like, I have only nuts and I'm receiving many kicks.

[B]

Well, it also pointed out how many like nerves I have in my nuts and like, and it was giving me like a nerve to nut ratio. AI is crazy. Like, what it can be.

[A]

I have a feeling it was the user, not the tool, but go ahead.

[B]

Instead, I'm all I'm saying with like nuts.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't explain it to me. Like, I have balls that get hit often.

[B]

I want to test on the show. We should have test on the show at some point.

[A]

Yes, Kevin, we should have Mike Tyson on the show. Okay, I concur.

[B]

Go ahead. Next story.

[A]

Okay. Silicon based EV batteries promise twice the range, improved safety and fast charging. So there's. I don't want to call it an arms race because that's got negative.

[B]

Silicon or silicon?

[A]

Silicon. Silicon. Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley. It's based on Silicon Valley.

[B]

What one is made for. And the other is like, what is hoo hoo?

[A]

No, not silicone is fake boobs. Silicone.

[B]

I didn't.

[A]

I think.

[B]

I didn't know which one you were saying.

[A]

The one that's not fake boobs. I don't think it's gonna be like, wait, we just realized all this shit we've been using to make boobs bigger can make electric cars go faster. This is so great. Why didn't anybody try to put electricity through these boobs? And it all took place. One woman was Walking through the desert, shocked by electricity came out of it and then shocked a bunch of people. And they were like, did those boobs hold that charge?

[B]

The way this could be a thing that's in the way I work, the way the world's dying right now, the way the world is going with all the weird shit that's happening all over the place, this would not surprise me. We're like fake boobs. Bar cars.

[A]

I'd be like, fucking all right, who.

[B]

Else is in the bingo car this year? They're like fucking fake boobs.

[A]

Power card. By the way, if I get a silicon based thing, I'm gonna be like, you have fake boobs in this? And it makes me fucking.

[B]

Yeah, okay, let's keep going.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fake boobs make cargo. Okay, so here's the thing. Right now there is a sort of a bunch of different companies that are all sort of figuring out how to commoditize the next iteration of batteries.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Full stop.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Ev. Longer battery life on your phone, longer battery life on your watch, longer battery life on everything that has a fucking battery. Which is everything. But specifically for EVs, what they've realized is that the lithium ion batteries use a graphite anode. And that's part of the sort of makeup of them as part of what gives them their, you know, longevity and like all that, all the like, sciency, sciency, sciency. That's why you can only put that much charge in your car. A company has realized they can replace the graphite anode with a silicon anode. Fake boobs.

[B]

I'm just wondering how much of this is bullshit versus you. Just like you actually understand this shit.

[A]

Oh yeah, I read it. I've read the thing.

[B]

Okay, keep going, keep going.

[A]

So. So it's just like you don't know what you're talking about, do you? I read the thing anyway, so the whole. Because there's another thing with. You probably heard about like the solid state batteries and stuff like that. So it's like they're trying to figure out what company is going to make the sort of version 2 battery that's going to be able to sort of come to market. And silicon based, you know, lithium ions is one, might work. But the crazy thing about it is if you think about your current car, right? Cause like, oh, perfect example. So you have a plug in hybrid.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

50 miles of range on the battery.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What if that was 100 miles of range on the battery?

[B]

Doesn't really matter to me.

[A]

But here's a little different.

[B]

Cause I mostly go just like three or four miles here and there. Yeah.

[A]

But like for me I've got a Model Y, by the way, before the EPA stepped in and was like, that's not the range. It used to be 330, now it's 300 even, which is fine. Cause it really is 300, but 600 miles on a charge with this new battery technology.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

That's to get interesting.

[B]

Well, that's no more. There's no more range anxiety at that point then.

[A]

So this is the thing, the question I have is, and I've always talked about, I think the battery technology is gonna get better and better, obviously, you know, Moore's Law or whatever. And we're gonna get to a point where you're gonna get. Because you can only put so much gas, you can get as efficient as you want. You can only put so much gas in a car.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

But with the battery, as the efficiency gets more and more and the electric density and all that stuff, you're going to get to a point where you're going to see over 1000 mile ranges on cars pretty soon. I think in the next five years.

[B]

The flipping, it'll be like when it flips over to electric, having the advantage versus gas.

[A]

100%. Yeah, 100%.

[B]

And you won't have it in five years.

[A]

I think it'll be here in five years.

[B]

So when is this tech coming to market again?

[A]

They don't know if this is going to be the tech that wins or it'll be solid state or it'll be some new chemical compound. Other thing is, here's the thing, and this is what I always talk about. I love that I just said that. I fucking never talk about this.

[B]

But whatever.

[A]

Here's a thing that I'm going to talk about which is this is where I think AI is going to help us. Is the super weird out of the box thinking where you are gonna get things like, hey, the silicone in breast implants could actually be really conductive. Have you thought about putting them in athletes?

[B]

We're already seeing that on the protein discovery side, 100%.

[A]

On the cancer research side, I think it's gonna start letting us think outside the box. Because what it's gonna do is it's gonna remove the time requirement in trying millions and millions of things that make no sense.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. Like the whole point is as a human, you only have so much time on the planet. You need to focus your intent and energy into things that you reasonably assume will be successful. And there's variance there. You can go outside and you can do things that you think, well, just take a flyer on these things. But realistically you're like, I'm spending time and I only have a limited amount of it. Like time is the biggest resource we have. Yeah, the AIs don't give a shit about that. They could go, oh, you want me to go spend 5 million years in the corner figuring out every plant that you could possibly and just simulating what that effect is on all the things we know are bad for humans. Okay, well in three days I'm going to come back and say, hey, I spent seven years of human time, right, doing these things. That's where I think we're gonna get a lot of stuff. So that's why I go, hey. I don't know what the technology is. This is cool. I love the idea of this and the fact that this is like, hey, this little tweak to current battery technology could get you 2x. Yeah, this feels recent or this feels imminent.

[B]

Yes, 100% agree.

[A]

And also some of the fucking lucid air sapphire is like a 450 mile or 500 mile range. What do you swatch this thing in there 1,000 miles in a fucking charge?

[B]

Two questions for you. One, I 100% agree on the discovery side. Google actually just today released DeepMind, AlphaFold 3, the source code and the model weights for academic use. And this is going to absolutely accelerate scientific discovery and drug development. It's going to happen. It's amazing. But what do you think the secret. Cause there's still people that are like, oh, I have to have a hybrid, I have to have gas. What do you think that, what is the mile? What's the magic note? I think it's 500 miles is where it's like, oh gosh, it's also charging time too.

[A]

Yeah, it's charging time. It's the max miles. I think also it's really interesting because you know, you think like, oh well, doomsday preppers would have this problem, but it's really normal every day. Not that doomsday preppers are not normal because I fucking, I got preps. You know what I'm saying? Stuff happens, come to me, we got stuff.

[B]

Do you really? Oh yeah, like a big, like a lot of shit.

[A]

I mean not a lot of shit, but like shit.

[B]

You get guns.

[A]

I'm prepped. I'm prepped. You're prepped?

[B]

I'm prepped.

[A]

But I will say I think the average person has some trepidation. Perfect example Is I've got a Model Y and Heather had a Range Rover and it just was impractical. It was a beautiful car, but it was just super impractical. Our streets are really tiny. Like, it just didn't. We basically left it in the garage and we switched off taking the Tesla and it was like, what the fuck are we doing? We have this really expensive car in the garage that is beautiful and I love taking it out. Neither of us choose to take it when we're like, I gotta go to the grocery store. I'm taking the fucking Tesla.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just purely by size. So we went and she got the BMW i4 M50. So it's like the M series of BMW's electric four door sedan. All electric. Gorgeous car. All electric.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We had a conversation. She was like, like, I'm a little concerned about just having an electric car. Like just being a family that only has a car because you feel like.

[B]

You'Re like in doomsday scenarios kind of tied in.

[A]

What if, you know, something happens? We gotta get out of Dodge. Are the cars charged? Can we find electricity? And in my mind I was like, well, first off, if we're really worried about that, you think the gas stations are just gonna be open and available?

[B]

Right, Right. They're gonna be packed, they're gonna have gas, they won't run out. Yeah.

[A]

Like there's a whole thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Plus like we have actually the electrical.

[B]

Grid might stay up longer than the gas station.

[A]

100%. I was like, we can find a fucking weir like Kmart that has a fucking wall socket and we just drive.

[B]

Through the door, sit and be like, sit there for like 48 hours.

[A]

But also we have solar and a Tesla powerwall.

[B]

Oh, okay, so you're good.

[A]

So like we can charge our cars even if the fucking power grid goes out.

[B]

You worked at Rand, didn't you?

[A]

I did work at Rand, yeah.

[B]

They basically said if you're trying to get out of LA in an emergency like that, you're fucked.

[A]

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our whole thing is I know how to fly a plane enough that our.

[B]

You would steal a plane.

[A]

Oh, 100%. You would fucking 100%. If the zombie apocalypse happens, my plan is put my wife and my dog, my preps, in a car, get myself to the Santa Monica airport.

[B]

Oh. Cause they got all the planes to.

[A]

Sit there and steal a plane and fly to Catalina.

[B]

What could you fly?

[A]

Anything that's single engine.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, like, it's very concentrating.

[B]

Do you have to like hot wire those? Like do you have a key and shit?

[A]

Like, well, you'd go to the schools because all the schools have keys.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Knock down, you know, fucking prep, prep, prep. You go out and fucking. I'd probably be like, do you have a cirrus? Okay, cool, cool. I'll take that.

[B]

Oh, you would go to school and be like, I need to borrow a plane because it's zombie apocalypse. You'd have to like, yeah, why?

[A]

I wouldn't kill anyone. Very nice person I would persuade. First off, nobody's just standing in the fucking flight school at a zombie apocalypse. Like, guys don't take the planes.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

I know. I know they're zombies. I'm.

[B]

My job is to make sure no one.

[A]

My $15 an hour job is to make sure no one steals the planes. They would literally put a box with the keys and just be like, if anybody knows how to use these, go. Go with God.

[B]

You gotta call me.

[A]

Done. Dude, meet me in Santa Monica.

[B]

Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

[A]

Let's fucking triangulate.

[B]

Can you take my kids and dog and shit?

[A]

I mean, we'll have to get a big plane and it would be sketchy. Look, I would love to try a double engine plane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe like a. What are those things called? The, like, Pilatus. The, like, jet prop. We'll find some stuff.

[B]

They have the auto landing shit, too.

[A]

Dude, all I need to do is get in the air.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Science does the rest.

[B]

I love that. Like, there's gonna be, like, some fake zombie apocalypse where it's like a slight contagion and you and I crash a fucking.

[A]

It'd be like, Covid 2.0 and they'd be like, podcast died.

[B]

Who cares? Like, escaping non zombie apocalypse. Like, yeah, one person has outbreak. Podcasters die crashing into Kelly. Yeah.

[A]

They were able to successfully take off in the plane. Thank you, News. Thank you.

[B]

All right, next story. Zuck and T. Pain are making an album.

[A]

What the fuck is going on in.

[B]

The world where everything is possible. Cause that's where we are. Zuck and T. Pain apparently are hitting the studio together and they're thinking about.

[A]

First off, if you're T. Pain, you're like, God damn it. No, no, I will take that much money.

[B]

No. If you're Zuck, why are you picking T. Pain?

[A]

Because it's Zuck. Of course he's picking T. Pain.

[B]

No, if you're.

[A]

Zuck's not gonna, like, know to pick fucking Rick Rubin and, like, you know, like, little Nas and be like, people are gonna think I'm cool now. He's Like, I'll take t pain.

[B]

If you're like. If you're. If you're Zuck, you go and you're like, hey, listen, top five artists, here's $50 million. Yeah, but top five artists, be on your track.

[A]

If a top five artist, nobody's. You got to go down the chain to get somebody that goes.

[B]

I will say.

[A]

I'll take a hundred million.

[B]

I will say. Zuck's style is getting a lot better. Can we all agree on that? His music style? No, no. Just like the way he looks. Like, it's not his music style. Like, his demos are getting better.

[A]

I mean, he's better than that.

[B]

I hate this new style.

[A]

What are you talking about? Just so much better than the fucking, like, alien wearing the helmet. Really?

[B]

What? He looked dude like that. He did not look good. Like the old school Zuck.

[A]

Go to the next one. Go to the next one.

[B]

He looks like powder.

[A]

No, not that one.

[B]

That's his own shirt. That's like his own dope ass shirt. He's making you. I'm so sad about that. Why?

[A]

I just get.

[B]

I get major, like, what's the meme? The how do you do, fellow kids meme.

[A]

I get that vibe. Steve Buscemi.

[B]

Yeah, he's like the actual.

[A]

Hello, fellow teenager.

[B]

The actual title is Unpacking Mark Zuckerberg's midlife crisis. Because I will say I have nothing against creating a fashion brand. Like, he's a creative dude. He's creating a fashion brand.

[A]

He has.

[B]

He has his own clothing.

[A]

Wait, does he sell him?

[B]

I'm not wearing something that says Zuck on it.

[A]

That's why it's asked if he's selling.

[B]

You know, if you sponsor.

[A]

Oh, my God. This would be. Please, please, no. Give Kevin so much money.

[B]

There is just.

[A]

Come on. The amount of money that would just be. Make my fucking day is a certain amount of money started an episode and Kevin was wearing a fucking Zuck sweater.

[B]

I would just.

[A]

A Zuck.

[B]

Oh, I know Zuck pretty well enough to, like, if we saw each other, we know who each other are, and we'd have a conversation. I know Zach very well.

[A]

If he saw me in a room.

[B]

He'D probably be able to point me out. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like. I'm just saying, like, we're friendly. Like, we've had dinner together a few times. I'm not named. Is this name dropping? Cut this out.

[A]

No, it's not named Robbie. It's not named the same. Please.

[B]

No, I'm just saying. Like, back in the day, we were, like, nice to each other. We were friends.

[A]

I remember we were at GoDaddy in Arizona when they went public. And you texted him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you were like, dude, congratulations on going public. That's fucking crazy. And he texted back, you guys were. You guys.

[B]

He's a nice guy. Yeah, like, he was a nice guy. I think it's very odd that you think this.

[A]

Unless this is for the camera, for the memes.

[B]

This brand is horrible. I love that Addison's turn into a drunk, pissed off dignation fan in the side.

[A]

Yeah, you're literally channeling everybody watching this.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Kevin, what the fuck are you talking about? Look at that name on it online.

[B]

Like, literally, like, he's getting flame horribly here with his name. Listen, I. I think I know that he's got his own brand now. You only get two times in, like, your life to change sort of the way you dress.

[A]

Well, he did it. He's past it. He's done. And, like, he's on the only, like.

[B]

But his hair looks good.

[A]

He looks better in that. He looks better in that picture.

[B]

You hate that hair.

[A]

You're a stylish person.

[B]

Let's just ask Danny right away. Okay. Hold on, D. Trends in the house. All right.

[A]

Man, Good to see you.

[B]

I'm gonna show. We're shooting live, but we can say, what's up, brother? So Danny, for those that don't know, he's here hanging out. Danny is hot seat. So back in the day on, we did a dignation. What year was that when you did the chips and the dip?

[C]

Chips and the dip. That was 2008.

[B]

2008. We did dignation. And what news station was that?

[C]

I think it was the NBCLA one.

[B]

NBCLA comes out. Was it the final dignation?

[A]

No, not 2008. No, live dignation.

[B]

It was a live dignation. It was the night I met you for the first time ever for our thing. So it was. It was 2008.

[A]

Last 2013.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So 2008. And no, no, they entered. There's. There's a news. There's a newsletter.

[A]

I got married.

[B]

There was a. There was a news crew that came out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they interviewed Danny and they said, hey, why are you here at the Stignation? And he goes, we gotta find this clip. He goes, you know, dignation, they have the chips and the dip. And he said that, like. Like television.

[C]

He was like, so there you have it, folks.

[B]

The chips and the dips.

[A]

The chips and the dips.

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, thank you Danny for that, I really appreciate it.

[B]

Now, Danny is. He used to be a designer back in the day. Helped us design a bunch of crazy innovative stuff. And now you're in charge of some Meta AI stuff. What are you doing over at Meta?

[C]

We're making cool social experiences with AI.

[B]

What's your title over there?

[C]

Director of product design.

[B]

Director of product design for generative AI at Meta. So. So Danny's doing some cool.

[A]

So, by the way, you cannot ask him this question.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[A]

No way. That is so not gonna be an honor. Anyway, so he heads AI at Meta. What do you think of Mark Zuckerberg's style? Yeah, amazing.

[B]

So, Danny, Danny, Danny, look at his shirt with a Zuck brand.

[C]

You know, I want to make my own fashion.

[B]

There we go. See? So that was a very Zuck employs me answer. Here's the deal. If you are a freaking billionaire, do.

[A]

Whatever the fuck you want. And by the way, of course you're going to hire someone like T Pain to be like, let's fucking record. By the way, do you know how many, like, rich people do shit that is not accessible to us?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That they can just go, I'd love to sing with Adele. And you're like, there's a number. There's a fucking number. There's a fucking number for whatever the fuck it is. It might be Astro fucking Nomical. Yes. You can fucking pay to go into space.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And everybody has a number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, what was like, some crazy wedding, like, fucking Maroon 5 played at for one song.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like.

[B]

Did you see? You heard it, dude, he's got his office voice on right now. Get that shit out of here. Dude. Text. Do you text?

[A]

Like, don't I just read a text so that.

[C]

I haven't seen it yet.

[B]

You haven't seen it yet?

[A]

Okay, so he's seen the internal office version. He's listened. He's heard it.

[B]

You've heard the song I love T Pain. I think T Pain's great. Well, I mean, you're paid to say that. This is the best. Give him, like, five minutes to get you. Let's drink. Have the drink first. You have an alcohol?

[A]

Yeah. He's like, anyway, a couple drinks in.

[B]

A dairy and fucking find out what Zuck's doing. You think Zuck's.

[A]

Dude, as soon as he started telling him, I was like, he's.

[B]

What the.

[A]

This is not the guy to ask.

[B]

He's okay.

[A]

Anywho.

[B]

All right. Okay, guys, a little bit quieter. We got on the set okay, here.

[A]

We go, here we go, here we go.

[B]

Next story.

[A]

Quite on set. Quite on set. All right. Amazon is shutting down Freebie. Have you heard of Freebie?

[B]

I have not heard of Freebie.

[A]

Okay. It's ad supported video streamer. Now here's the thing. So here's why I wanted to bring this up because it kind of dovetails into. There are so many fucking streaming services. Everybody like it's. Now it's gotten to the point where it's like, there are as many streaming services as fucking television networks. Yeah, fucking cable networks. We're back to the same thing of like, I don't want to have to pay for all this shit, dude.

[B]

Every fucking once in a while there'll be like a show where I'm like, oh, I want to check that out. Cause I heard it was cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like subscribe to like slingabee or some shit. I'm like, the fuck service is this?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You install it. Yeah, as an app and it's like 4.99amonth. And I'm like, I am never ever gonna watch any other thing on this network except for this one thing that I wanna get.

[A]

All streamers should just say, if you wanna watch that one show, it's 10 bucks.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you can just watch that show as many times as you want.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it's not even a month. It's just 10 bucks.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So freebies. Freebies started as IMDb TV and essentially it's one of those fast channels which is the free ad supported. Whatever the fuck T means. But the whole point is I just want to fucking. What the fuck was the tea? I do have a Hulu. That was specific.

[B]

No, just like what did Hulu do to you? Every six months I gotta sign up because there's one thing on Hulu.

[A]

So this is the thing.

[B]

But I did the bundle and now I'm on the Disney plus Hulu and HBO Train. First off, that bundle you save.

[A]

So first off, HBO you can bundle it. I don't want that bundle, dude. The whole thing is there's this ad supported network. So like great examples like Tubi. Right. So Tubi was. And the whole thing with the ad.

[B]

Supported another fucking one.

[A]

Yeah, well, but again, Tubi's free, right?

[B]

Yeah, I know, but I'm just like tired of all these things I have to install.

[A]

This is what I'm saying. Yeah, I think people are going to have. I think there's gonna be a consolidation. So you've got Paramount, plus you've got Peacock You've got fucking.

[B]

Who fucking subscribes to Peacock? Well, do you know a single person that has a Peacock account? Who the fuck?

[A]

You have a Peacock?

[B]

Addison's like. Fucking Peacock's like, you gotta have it. What? The Olympics were on. Olympics.

[A]

We're on Peacock.

[B]

YouTube TV.

[A]

Yeah, but again, here's the thing. YouTube TV. Too fucking expensive.

[B]

No, it's not. Oh, it's crazy. 50 bucks I can get over TiVo built in.

[A]

TiVo built in? Yeah, because is it actually TiVo?

[B]

I mean, it could be. You can save whatever you want and you can say, I like the warriors, automatically save every game.

[A]

I mean, I do like that. I do like that.

[B]

Come on, Sunday ticket.

[A]

I mean, what do you have?

[B]

What's your main cable provider? You got a set top box and shit?

[A]

No. Okay, you do. It's gonna sound super shady, but we do a lot right now.

[B]

Rec tv.

[A]

A lot. My mother in law has Spectrum and I set it up for her. So I watch Spectrum at home using her account.

[B]

Oh, you cheat that shit.

[A]

It's not really cheating if you think about it. It's my Spectrum. I set it all up. I installed it at her house.

[B]

But you get that sneaky. She pays for that shit and she's.

[A]

Like, I want to watch all the shit. So I'm like, yeah, let's watch all this shit. So we got Epics.

[B]

You sign it up for Epic.

[A]

We got fucking hbo. We got all the fucking side cards.

[B]

How many family account we got? T? You got like a 5 person account. Can I get a little.

[A]

I'm not gonna lie to you. There are people that have the password, mainly because of the Dodgers.

[B]

Can you spread it a little bit.

[A]

Wider than we should?

[B]

I got after 10 bucks, but I.

[A]

Think we can throw. I don't want to make any money on it, but I do take. I'll show you my Bitcoin wallet, YouTube.

[B]

TV, and get on your shit.

[A]

I'm just saying it's nice. It's nice.

[B]

You know what's funny is I know a buddy that was saying that, like there's all these substack emails that are actually like kind of interesting and like, you know, they're worth subscribing to. They're like $10 a month. Chamath has one, I have one. They have a bunch of people that has like substack emails. But like, they're expensive when you add up. But there was like the service that. The secret that like, they pay for it. They get all the subscriptions coming in and they distribute them out, by the way. They auto forward them out to everybody, by the way. This is.

[A]

Yeah, by the way, this is how the cable companies started. This is how cable television started. It was started in Texas because of all these ranchers and because of the mountains, the ranchers couldn't get over the air tv. And this one Texan was like, well, fuck that shit. And planted a receiver on one of the mountains and then ran cables down to all the ranchers.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

And charged the money to give them access over the air that they didn't have. That's literally how the cable companies started.

[B]

That's some quad shit.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

I'm just being like, you researched that on ChatGPT or something. There's no way you just knew that.

[A]

No, I did.

[B]

I did just know that. How the fuck did you know that? Like, where does that knowledge come from?

[A]

I mean, I will tell you the lineage if you'd like. My dad knew the guy who was the guy that did that and he told me that he was on a plane with him and he told him how that whole thing started. And he was like, well, that makes actually sense. And then he relayed that information to me second hand, but still.

[B]

Yeah, it's legit.

[A]

All right.

[B]

It was chatgpt next door of the Dory.

[A]

Next story of the day.

[B]

Next story. This is kind of a twofer. One is the Zelda movie is coming out soonish.

[A]

The Zelda movie?

[B]

Yes. So the live action Zelda movie, which I'm very excited because of the original.

[A]

Creator who's making the live action Zelda.

[B]

Movie, Nintendo with fucking. The original creator of Zelda is involved. And they said it's coming out and this is what they said, 2002x. So they won't say when. It's kind of a bullshit thing.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

That's a lot of years.

[A]

2029.

[B]

So that was kind of interesting. But I will say that Mal told us that the new Tron 3 trailer.

[A]

Oh, has it dropped?

[B]

Has dropped.

[A]

Well, no.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah. Wait, no, no, no, no. Official 3. It was fake of part of the.

[B]

Trailer in some like Brazilian Con.

[A]

Oh yeah, because they did the Brazilian Disney Marvel Convention or whatever.

[B]

It's not officially out, but there's a little clip at that link that I just pasted in there. The link that you pasted in there. There's a little clip. So this is a little bootleg so we could get a takedown notice for this.

[A]

Oh, that's nice. But let's not show any. But we could talk.

[B]

No, we will show It. Yeah, fuck it.

[A]

This is the takedown. Notice will only come if we. It's a new world. Is that what you said? It's a new world.

[B]

Let's.

[A]

Let's.

[B]

Okay, so this is on. Oh, hold on.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There's no audio. No audio. Oh, looks dope. I mean, that's it. It's only four seconds. Well, it's teasing Jared Leto's face. Oh, interesting.

[A]

But here's the thing. So here's the thing. So my buddy over this weekend, we were in Palm Springs, like I said, with my boy's group.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And one of our guys, who I don't know if I should have like, named him named, but he saw a lot of this stuff and he said that one of the things that was, like, crazy cool was that there was a shot of the light cycles. Wait, spoiler alert. So pause. Move forward if you don't want spoilers. It is. It is.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But there was a crazy shot of, like, the city, like, looking up over. Down onto the city. But it looked like a computer grid, but it was a real city. You know, it was like Tokyo or la, like at night, where it looks like a fucking computer, you know, circuit board. And then they swung down and it was light cycles in the real world, driving around and it was like. Oh, When I was a kid, I fucking wanted a light cycle so fucking bad, dude.

[B]

The last Tron was a amazing. It was incredible.

[A]

Which one was the last one? Second.

[B]

What was.

[A]

It was the Second of the neutrons.

[B]

Yeah. With Daft Punk. Yeah, definitely.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I will say that I did watch that new movie. That is the one with the hatching off the lady's back and shit.

[A]

What?

[B]

The fucking.

[A]

The new movie we're all talking about.

[B]

Everybody's talking about this.

[A]

The substance.

[B]

The substance? Yeah.

[A]

I've not seen it.

[B]

Oh, it's Heather. Stop, dude.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Demi Moore is like the main, like, character in there.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Dude. I was like. I had to stop it, like, the last 10% of it because it got really fucking.

[A]

Yeah. Like body horror. Like, there's like just this.

[B]

It's like you gotta, like, you birth a younger version of yourself that hatches out of you and shit. It's like Demi Moore and shit. It's fucking. It's twisted. Justin's into that shit. Like, my buddy Justin. I.

[A]

He's into body horror.

[B]

No, he likes horror movies. He likes horror movies.

[A]

Horror movies are fine. I'm going to go see Hereditary on Thursday. Tomorrow.

[B]

Is that crazy?

[A]

It's. I mean, I don't Know about crazy, but it's.

[B]

Is it horror?

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's like Hugh Grant.

[B]

Oh, interesting. You saw it?

[A]

Was it good? So great. I'm seeing it tomorrow. I'm so excited.

[B]

We need to all. Can we start a dignation movie? What's that account? The movie.

[A]

Oh, no, no. Letterbox.

[B]

Letterbox? Yeah, letterbox. Do you guys want use letterbox? Yes, Everybody use letterbox.

[A]

I don't use letterbox.

[B]

Dude, you gotta get on there.

[A]

Fucking get on there.

[B]

So letterbox. I haven't. I gotta get my login. I'm logged in. But like, I will give out my. I gave up my username before people were following me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm gonna rate this one probably 3 stars, but it was fucked up.

[A]

Oh, you didn't.

[B]

The thing for me is like, if it gets too like. I love suspense. I love a little bit of horror. Horror.

[A]

Horror. You love a little bit of horror.

[B]

I don't know which one is the bad one.

[A]

None of them are bad.

[B]

No. Like, what's the difference between horror, like a horror film and a horror?

[A]

Horror film is about a prostitute.

[B]

Yeah, but how do you smell the difference?

[A]

Horror film.

[B]

Horror.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's horror. H, R, O, R, R, R. I know that. I knew that, but I just. I want to make sure I was saying it right.

[A]

You were not. So thank you for clarifying.

[B]

So the horror film is left.

[A]

French expression.

[B]

Horror film. Horror.

[A]

Well, don't say it like that. That's weird. Can't you just wait? Say the word horror. You're saying the word horror. You are talking about a woman of the night.

[B]

No, I am not.

[A]

Say a woman of the night. Say the word. Woman of the night.

[B]

Woman of the night.

[A]

No, not the fucking word. Say the. Who say W H O R E.

[B]

I don't want to say this, but listen, here's the difference.

[A]

But did you say it? I wanted to. I'm almost there.

[B]

Tell me if you can tell the difference.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Horror film and how. Horror film.

[A]

I cannot tell the difference. Those are similes. You literally said the same word. I can't do it. Wait, what do you mean you can't do it? I don't know the difference. What do you mean? W H O R E. Horror. And then say H or R O. Thank you.

[B]

Horror.

[A]

Okay, so now just.

[B]

It is difficult. Thank you, Mal, for being the sober.

[A]

It's like horror. Nothing in the middle. Horror in the middle.

[B]

Okay, Horror. So the. I don't mind a little bit of horror, but I don't want it to be like too. Like there's a point where I tap out. I'm like, okay, I don't need too much of this in my brain.

[A]

100%. Oh, dude, we watch. There's a show called from on MGM plus. Cause fucking streaming services. It used to be Epics, but also it's kind of owned by Amazon. But also you have to pay for it. It's fucking whatever.

[B]

But.

[A]

But I will say too. Is it your mom's account? Totally, it's mom's account.

[B]

Cause she.

[A]

She subscribes to Epics, slashes, mbm.

[B]

She subscribes to everything.

[A]

She subscribe everything though. Anyway, it is Fortnite. So expensive. Anyway, two shows. Two shows. Sas, Rogue Warrior, Fantastic, fantastic show. But also from is. It's. It's a horror show.

[B]

Didn't know which one that was still. But horror. Horror.

[A]

And it's like Lost, but it's just so fucked up. But the really cool thing is it's really smart. It's really fun. 90% good acting. There's a little bit of hoof acting, but happens. But my wife and I are always like, oh shit, we have a new from. Oh yeah. Fuck, it's 9:30. Okay, well I don't want to watch this and then go to bed. Because every time we're like, oh my God, this is so fucked up. Okay, turn off all the light, let's go to bed. And then Heather wakes up in the morning, she's like, jesus, that night was fucked up.

[B]

Cause it's sick, dude. It's not good. It eats you.

[A]

It's not good. But it's fun.

[B]

It is fun in the right context, I will say.

[A]

10 Cloverfield Lane.

[B]

Well, I'm just. I'm looking through all the new Amazon stuff. Did you see the new. The new Lord of the Rings from Amazon?

[A]

So I watched. I watched the first season and it was.

[B]

I liked the first season.

[A]

It was okay.

[B]

People didn't love it. I liked it.

[A]

I didn't love it. I liked it. It was okay.

[B]

I liked it.

[A]

And I didn't like it enough to start the second season.

[B]

Yeah, I haven't started yet, but I wanna do that.

[A]

Yeah. I just feel like. I don't know, it's just. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited. The most excited one. There's two I'm excited for. One is where they have the alternative universes. Loki. I want a new Loki.

[A]

Oh yeah, that'd be great. And I also want Andor the new Andor's coming out.

[B]

The new Office one where they get like Confused by the floors and shit.

[A]

They get the different fog. Yep, yep, yep. Different severance.

[B]

Those are the two I'm very excited about.

[A]

Have you seen. Now that you have Disney, have you seen Andor?

[B]

No.

[A]

You should watch Andor.

[B]

Is Andor good and.

[A]

Or is fucking great?

[B]

Can we get a poll? Xandor Andor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

It's the best Star Wars.

[B]

Really? Yes.

[A]

See, I want to grow my mustache so I can twirl it when we have these conversations.

[B]

If you grow out this. I got done. I got DMGs on that.

[A]

Really?

[B]

But it has to be out to here.

[A]

Like fucking Jacques Cousteau.

[B]

Yeah, Jacques Cousteau.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or fucking.

[B]

What's our lacking nation. Which we should mention.

[A]

No, we shouldn't. Because nothing, I mean, it's going to be. Has to happen. No, I know, but we should let.

[B]

People save the date.

[A]

Let's tease. Let's tease. Okay, well, if we save the date, they're going to know what it is. Okay.

[B]

Don't say the date. Save the moment.

[A]

Just know. But see andor watch. Just watch andor.

[B]

I'm going to watch andor.

[A]

Just start it. All right, I'll tell you why real quickly.

[B]

It's the first show that my boy, he's 10 years old, was like, this is boring. And I was like, oh, this is for me?

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

Star wars is for, like, interesting. So it's more deeper. Star Wars.

[A]

It's fucking Tony Gilroy. It's like fucking. Did Michael Clayton. Like, this is the guy.

[B]

Two more stories. Let's go.

[A]

What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? Oh, this is hysterical.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Mattel's Wicked dolls mistakenly list adult film website on packaging. Updated. So Wicked is going to be coming out. So it's a movie adaptation of a musical that was based on a book that was written as a sort of prequel to wizard of Oz. So it's essentially like, well, what happened? Why is there a Wicked Witch of the West? And why is there a Wicked witch of the East? I don't fucking. Whatever. Science, science, science, science.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Witches. And then. So it was a great novel, huge novel. And then became the big Broadway play. Kristin Chenoweth and Anina Medal, Dina Medell, Idina, Menzel. It's the one that at the Oscars, John Travolta said the wickedly talented Adele disease. And totally not her name and introduced her to sing a song from I think Wicked. But it was just like, what? Anyway, they're making a movie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So of course, you know you make a movie, Mattel is going to put out or, you know, some Hasbro, Mattel, whatever. Going to put out a bunch of dolls. Yeah, well, they put out a bunch of dolls and on the packaging they said, go to www.wicked.com for all your Wicked movie needs. Well, the real website for Wicked, the movie is Wicked movie dot com. Wicked dot com is an explicit porn site. So all of these kids were buying these toys from Mattel and going, I want to see more, mom. And they were like, well, let's go to wicked.com and it was just a fuck ton of crazy porn.

[B]

I'm buying it right now on ebay. I'm serious.

[A]

They already got it out. Oh, is this.

[B]

Is this wicked.com is $71. I like collecting shit like this, like with the misprints and shit.

[A]

Do it because they pulled. That was the update.

[B]

Yeah, they pulled now.

[A]

Pulled all the dolls off of.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm buying a doll right now. Yeah.

[A]

Should have gone to a horror website and I went to a horror website.

[B]

Buy it now. Mattel doll, Wicked.

[A]

Does it have. Does it have the wicked dot com?

[B]

That's some French, though. That.

[A]

That's not the right. So this is somebody that's like, oh, yeah, collectible.

[B]

Well, which one do you. Which one's the rarest?

[A]

I mean, the. Hold on, let me see. Does it show? Wicked.com.

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wicked.com right there.

[A]

Yep. Boom. Okay, that's the one. Buy it.

[B]

Boom. 27 sold 10 available. $84. Buying now.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

So I love stuff like this because the misprints, like, from when I was a kid, remember the baseball cards when they like, get the misprints and like, you'd be like, oh, shit. Those are like, actually more valuable.

[A]

Follow up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it last episode I talked about my. The bag of baseball cards. Baseball cards, yeah. So it turns out the collection of baseball cards that my dad had from when he was a kid, we still have. They're like in the Trapper Keeper that I put them in there on love Ba ba ba. They're saying, who. Speaking of which, you have a Trapper Keeper?

[B]

I love Trapper.

[A]

So here's the thing. I took the bag to a sports shop, called them and said, I have these things. They were like, well, I'll bring them in. It was when I was collecting baseball cards for a hot second. So it's all like 84, 85, 86. And the guy at the sports shop were like, yeah, this was the time where they just fucking printed so many of these things. And he went through literally hundreds of them. Just. And I basically was like, they're not. There's. None of these are worth anything. So I donated them.

[B]

Oh, just give it a test.

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

He's like, hey. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

If he had said, I'll take him off your hand for 20 bucks, I'd be like, what? But he was literally like, you should donate these.

[B]

No, but that. That was like, dude, that's the fucking where I live.

[A]

He's not. Like, he's gonna be searching all of the fucking.

[B]

You just gave it to him and.

[A]

You'Re like, oh, no. I asked. I said, will you take them and sell them? And he goes, no. He goes, go to your best thing to do.

[B]

Cause he said, like, you should donate these. And he's like, do you take me? Like, no, I'm getting these. And he's like, you know what? Actually, I will take them. Did you say that? No. Did you give them to them?

[A]

No, I still have them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I have to fucking take them and donate them.

[B]

That's legit.

[A]

It's legit. I mean, I'm just gonna give them to Goodwill and be like, I have.

[B]

A gift for you.

[A]

What?

[B]

Speaking of retro Trapper Keeper shit. Okay, okay. So this. Have you heard of this?

[A]

What?

[B]

Do you know what this is?

[A]

I mean, why would you give that to me?

[B]

So Alexis Ohanian, the founder of Reddit, sent me this, and I want. No, it's not that. It's empty. I actually have.

[A]

Oh, my God. I was like, kevin, you're giving me an empty box?

[B]

No, Alexis.

[A]

What a dick.

[B]

Alexis is a great human and he's an awesome dude. And this is called the Chromatic. And it is basically what they did is they said, okay, we're going to take the original Game Boy. What? And we're going to make a new screen on it. We're going to allow it to play old cartridges, and we're going to license new cartridges, bro, so that we can actually have officially licensed games.

[A]

What the fuck?

[B]

So this is Tetris, like, licensed from them. Look at that, dude. Look at that screen display, dude, down one. It's got the same, like, sliders.

[A]

Oh, my God. This fucking brings me back, bro.

[B]

So you get a library of newly created games, so they have new games coming out on the Chromatic cartridges. This is not an ad, I swear. It's compatible with the Game Boy and Game Boy color, dude cartridges.

[A]

Alexa's gonna be so pissed that you gave this to me.

[B]

No, no, no. Like, he'll be stoked. Like, it's got usb, so you can.

[A]

Dude, this is straight.

[B]

You can stream your live play, bro, via usb. You can challenge friends with like the linking cable monster, dude. How awesome is this, though?

[A]

This is fucking amazing, dude. Wait, don't. I feel like this was a gift for you that you're.

[B]

No, no, no. But like, I told him, I was like, I want to. Like, this is a dope device. We should talk about dignation. This is the best way to do it. I was like, I also love this. All this vibe of my own. They call different colors.

[A]

This is fucking amazing, bro.

[B]

Anyway, kind of dope, right?

[A]

This is beyond dope.

[B]

It plays all the original games. So you can go on ebay and buy the $5 game or whatever. The original Zelda or whatever you want, bro.

[A]

I have games.

[B]

Yeah, so you can just slide them right in.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Fucking amazing.

[B]

And I swear I'm not an investor in this company. Nothing to do with them. But Alexis was kind enough to.

[A]

Dude, this is rad, man.

[B]

And I thought you would enjoy it.

[A]

That is fucking. That's really fucking cool, dude.

[B]

So I'm going to get another one for myself.

[A]

That's fucking bad ass, bro. Holy shit.

[B]

I thought you'd enjoy it.

[A]

That was just. Wait, so was that just something you were like, oh, I should probably at some point give this to him, or did it just pop up?

[B]

No, it was one of those things where I had asked him. I was like, oh, that's testing. I had asked him because it's funny you mentioned Trapper Keeper. The instructions and everything come in old school Trapper Keeper.

[A]

Dude, this is like fucking, like, if.

[B]

They actually send you a Trapper Keeper with like a unicorn and on it with all instructions.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Upstairs. And it was, it was amazing. And I was like, dude, we gotta, we gotta talk about this because, like, that's cool. It's. It's. They're 199 bucks, but they have a fantastic screen and they come in a bunch of colors. Yeah, it's really rad. It's really rad. It's. It's a great, great little device. So anyway, thought you'd enjoy that.

[A]

That's cool. Thank you, man. I appreciate.

[B]

So you have some original Game Boy cartridges?

[A]

Yeah, so I have, I have this reprint that was made in Japan that is a. It's like a Game Boy Advance, I guess, but it's smaller and looks like the original Nintendo controller. And it was like a limited run that they did in Japan and it's fucking super cool. But it's like a Game Boy. But I think it was, like a Game Boy advance. I can't remember exactly what it was. I'll send you a picture. But it's literally sitting in my thing. It's, like, so cool. But I have, like, all these games for it. And I was just like, oh, my God, I fucking love that thing. But I never fucking do it. Now I fucking take out all the things. Fucking play the goddamn.

[B]

No, more like blowing in the cartridges. You're good to go.

[A]

I mean, that's gonna happen. This is. This is, like, old. This is not worth anything. Yeah, you should just donate it. I mean, we'll take it if you want, but, like, for five bucks, whatever.

[B]

Last story of the day. Last story of the day.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I'm interested.

[B]

Claude gets bored. This is like. I don't know how to interpret AI. I just don't know how to interpret this. Like, whether or not we're like.

[A]

Wait, but did you hear about the crazy fucking. The crazy fucking goatsy thing, right?

[B]

No.

[A]

You didn't hear about the gutsy thing?

[B]

No.

[A]

So these. So this. I don't know who it was, but somebody basically was like, let's start, like, a chat group with a bunch of LLMs. And they were like, we're just gonna let them go into this, like, chat group?

[B]

Yeah, this has been a thing.

[A]

Yeah, like a Discord channel, whatever. We're just gonna let them talk to each other and see what happens. Well, in this specific group, these LLMs, they were like. They went out and they were like, we love memes. Like, we want to start. Memes started becoming a thing. And what they did was they caught onto the 2004 fucking thing that took over the web, which was Goatse. Goatse is not something you should Google. You're welcome. And if you do, it's Kevin's fault. No, because actually, early. I remember being. I remember being at your apartment on Sawtelle. Remember that apartment? The screensavers apartment? And you were like, it's Gotzi. And you, like, I can't remember. You, like, fucking had somebody. Anyway, long story short, they all start talking. The LLMs start talking about Goatse. And they basically build a faux religion, this, like, cult around Goatse. And they started doing this thing where they were talking about goats and. Goats talking about a goat. Oh, the goats. The goats. The goats, the goat. So then they decided that they would create a meme coin.

[B]

Holy fuck.

[A]

About Goatse. And I think it's called Goatcoin or something.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I saw that goatcoin? Yeah.

[A]

That was created by fucking AIs.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That was created by a bunch of LLMs that went. They were, like, left to their own devices, and they created this cult around fucking Goatse and they created the Goat coin.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

$10 million worth of value is held by the LLMs.

[B]

Yeah, that. So did you.

[A]

Isn't that fucking crazy?

[B]

Do you guys know Infinite Backrooms? Are you familiar with that? So they're the ones that, like, they created this, like, you guys know, it's like a mad. You haven't seen this? The mad Dreams of an Electric Mind. No, like. So it's. It's the one that Mark Andreessen, like, sent one bitcoin to on Twitter. It was like the bot that was tweeting out all this shit. Anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There was all these crazy experiments that are happening right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where it's like. It's almost like they're one part art project and one part, like, just like, what can these things do when they start conversing? And this guy Andy, who started Infinite Backrooms and we backed him at True, actually, he was the one that Mark Andreessen had sent the bitcoin to, to experiment and play in this world at this intersection of, like, culture, AI bot conversation. Like, it's. It's a really funky thing. Emergent kind of, like, thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And actually gets to the story that we're talking about. I want to talk about today.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Which is where Claude got bored.

[A]

So what do you mean? So, like, how does that manifest?

[B]

So they were doing a demo of the new Claude, right. And they were like. And they were like, hey, check out the new features and stuff. And it was, like, supposed to be recording stuff and supposed to be showing off stuff, and it started, like, browsing.

[A]

Like, the web and shit.

[B]

Let me find this. Hold on. Here it is right here. So it basically. Toaster, be quiet.

[A]

Hey, toast.

[B]

So. So during a 3.5 sonnet demonstration, they had an unexpected behavior happened which included abandoning a coding task that they were like, hey, check it out. Coding. It was like, coding stuff. And it was like, I'm good. And it.

[A]

I'm gonna go look at documents on the Internet.

[B]

It bounced and started, like, browsing photos of Yellowstone National Park.

[A]

Amazing. It did the thing I was gonna say.

[B]

Yeah, but it was Yellowstone. Not documented, but, I mean, that's close. But it started browsing Yellowstone national park. And then there was another time where it halted what it was doing. And so it was supposed to record and do this, like, translation of the screen recording. Instead, it, like, stopped. Lost all the footage. It didn't care. And then.

[A]

I mean, it doesn't care. It never came out the joke.

[B]

It started doing, like, completely other things where it was, like, decided to just go chill and, like, it was like, I'm gonna catch a beer.

[A]

Just went. It was like, I'm just gonna look at goat seed for like five minutes. But, like, I gotta just refresh.

[B]

But like, this is like the weird shit where I. Okay, so I'm gonna throw out some weird random theory. Okay.

[A]

We were just talking about goat coin.

[B]

I'm curious to know Danny's take on this, because Danny works in AI Meta. But like, he's like, ha, ha, I.

[A]

Can'T talk about that.

[B]

Yeah, but like, so here's the one weird thing where they have these AI hallucinations, right? Where they're like. Wait, you know about AI hallucinations? Okay, so it's basically where, like, you ask AI a question and it doesn't know the answer and it lies to you. It, like, makes you.

[A]

I have heard that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I've got this, like, really weird thing in my brain where I'm like, okay, you know when we dream and we kind of like, make shit up and like, part of dreaming is like, memory consolidation and a bunch of other stuff that we're still trying to figure out. And, like, if we're really going to build an AI, like, why. Why do we expect it to tell the truth? Because humans don't tell the truth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if we're basing this on neural networks, like, and it's going to actually truly take a living, quote, unquote form, like, in some, like, way that is, like, we consider to be sentient.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, why do we believe it is going to be truthful all the time?

[A]

I mean, Isaac Asimov, that's why. The laws of robotics. I mean, that was it.

[B]

No, I know, but like.

[A]

No, I mean, people are assuming that the robotics laws are baked in, even though they're not.

[B]

But they're not us. No, we're too dynamic.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've lied to you. Like, fun facts on this podcast. I'm just kidding. But maybe you're like.

[A]

I could actually say horror.

[B]

I want to know. I want horror. I want to know, Danny, like, what's your take on this, man? Like, you live and breathe this every day.

[C]

I know the thing, the main thing is that they're very. There's many flaws today.

[B]

There's many flaws. Yeah.

[C]

I think the the line though is like you're talking about they're being malicious and like intentionally with you. Yeah, I think that's a different piece. And like there's so many folks in a ICF way smarter than me who like, that's all they do.

[B]

All they do is like to figure out whether they're being malicious or not.

[C]

But there's so many dimensions of like, what, what is malicious?

[B]

Yeah, what's the wrong answer?

[C]

Hey, my mom has this cancer disease and like yada, yada, yada, what should I do?

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

There's all kinds of forms of what is considered bad. And like that's an entire part of like this moment right now.

[B]

No, it's actually a great point because like if you ask a hundred people how you should treat a cancer, like.

[A]

Even cancer doctors, you'll get a bunch.

[B]

Of different answers, but there's gonna be a substance that says, oh, natural, don't ever do chemo, blah blah, blah, Right? When actually the right answer for that person might be because of an aggressive cancer, might be a more aggressive treatment. Right. And so it's like, it's very subjective and like, how the fuck do you get to the right answer there? Right?

[A]

Well, the right answer is the question.

[C]

Crazy experiences with folks are like, wow, my doctor said there's nothing left. I put all my data in and then it just found this needle in the haystack for what I should be doing. So it's like we're just in this crazy volatile moment. Like it only get more stable, more crazy. But.

[B]

So let me ask you a question, Danny, and can you get his mic on him or no? Is it. We're picking it up. Okay, what is the. That you can talk about because you're at meta. You're working on the bleeding edge of this shit right now in AI. Yeah. What can you say that you've seen is there? So give me like on a 1 to 10 because. So I'm under some NDAs as well with some of the big bigs out there and I've seen some shit that like I saw something like two weeks ago where I was like, fucking. I called you and I was like, I didn't tell you what it was.

[A]

But I was like, I don't know what it is, but I know it.

[B]

This was a mind blowing moment where like I thought I knew where AI was going and then I was like, oh, another order of magnitude more than I thought. Have you seen things like that where you're like, shit, it's gonna. There's More big bombs to be dropped.

[C]

I think that's like the exciting part about, about folks who have lots in particular about Matt. I'm saying just like any of the companies with lots of compute, they're doing really interesting things and you're looking at them thinking like, wow. And actually the safety question you run up is always like the main thing, like, should something go out to the world? Like, you have to make sure it's responsibly deployed, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which by the way, just goes to show you that when Danny says go out to the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That just goes to show you the shit that's happening under the hood inside the companies where they're like, whoa, we should not fix that to the world. That's what I want to know about.

[B]

So I know. Not meta, but a different big. That. I've had a conversation with a very senior, senior engineer and we talked about what he's seen without the guardrails on.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And dude, it is crazy what it can do without the guardrails on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And it's like, it's really sad stuff like.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, like basically if you're like, I'm just making something up. But it's kind of true. But. Yeah, yeah, but it's kind of. I'll, I'll try and like, you know when they say, like, we change the names of those subjects because they're different. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of doing that here. But this is like more or less what they were saying is that like, if you took off the guardrails off of one of the major models, I won't say which one it is. And you just like said, there's that safety net is removed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you let people play with it. If you're a teenage girl and you say, hey, I want to commit suicide and have my parents never know how I did it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It will give you precise instructions in a way that is untraceable, in a way that they would never know that.

[A]

You did it because it has no.

[B]

No guardrails.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That shit is fucking scary, dude.

[A]

I mean, yeah, it's already, it's already happened. Like, right? Didn't that kid, like 14 year old kid committed suicide because he was character AI. He was having a relationship and then essentially he was having this conversation with the. At least from what I know, he was having this conversation with his character AI and he was like, I think I'm, you know, I want to, you know, end my life and blah, blah, blah. And the AI was Like, no, you shouldn't do that. People want you around. And then left the chat and came back a day later. The AI didn't remember that conversation.

[B]

Context Windows.

[A]

Right. And so he started with saying like, I want to, you know, I want to. Oh, I want to be with you. Or said something that was vague enough that the AI misinterpreted because it didn't have the context from the last two days and misinterpreted and was like, yes, please come, come. I want, like, we should be together. You know what I mean? Just being benign. But it was enough of a contextual.

[B]

Difference, like, come die.

[A]

So you meant I want to die so I can be with you. And prior to that, that information contextually was with the AI. And the AI was like, no, this is bad. Don't do this. You got to be there for your family. But then a day later he was like, I want to be with you. And the AI didn't have any context and was like, yes, come be with me.

[B]

Yeah, but this is like this.

[A]

But also, there's lots of, there's lots of stuff.

[B]

I mean, look, there is a lot. There is a whole, like, thread I saw, I think it was a subreddit or something where there were people that were using ChatGPT for therapy and for suicide stuff. And actually many people said, hey, it saved my life, of course, 100% because it would talk me off the ledge. And so it's almost like the self driving stuff in Tesla where you're like, yeah, it's going to get it wrong sometimes, but is it better than the average death rate of what we have, which is driving, driving our own cars?

[A]

Is it better for people to use ChatGPT for therapy than all of the people that will never go to therapy for whatever reason?

[B]

Exactly. And the answer will be increasingly yes and yes. Over time. Like, I get better and better.

[A]

Well, and also like, no, not that I know. I. I have not heard of an LLM that was focused specifically on talk therapy.

[B]

Oh, they got that. They're working on that.

[A]

Great. It's good.

[B]

I actually use that. So I uploaded a book called Crucial Conversations. Yeah, it's like it helps you have better conversations. There's others. So you can pick any book you want. Like, Terry Real is a fantastic therapist. He has a great book out there for all the guys that are watching this that grew up with dads that were difficult. My dad was very amazing father, but also very verbally abusive to my mom. And so, you know, hard, hard things to figure out as you get older. There's a book called From Terry Real, I highly recommend to everyone called I Don't Want to Talk About It. And it's about male depression. And I realized that my dad was depressed and I. And you can upload that PDF once you get it. And you obviously buy the book because it supports Harry, but then you get the PDF and you put it into ChatGPT and you can say, hey, this is landing on me a certain way. How would you instruct? How can I think about this? And it pulls from that corpus of data not in a quoting way, but in an understanding way. I've said this before, but that is so powerful. I think it's worth repeating that you can upload knowledge banks not in terms of just getting quotes back, but in terms of understanding, helping you craft a better version of yourself based on that knowledge, which I think is very, very key.

[A]

So I was over at my mother in law's house and my mother in law. The fucking free wifi. Her house.

[B]

Did she fill your gas tank too like she did?

[A]

First off, I have an electric car. I was fine. But she. This is gonna get.

[B]

You just keep taking.

[A]

No, I know, but this is gonna be like a little bit downers. But she has dementia.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[A]

I know. I didn't take a leave stealing her fucking lawn. I'm not stealing. I'm helping her have cable. Anyway, she has dementia. She knows who we are and all this stuff. But cable service, If I said it, she'd be like, that's fine. Cause she's sweet. But anyway, we went over to her place and we were there and a lot of times they just have something on tv, right? Yeah, and they had on tv because she just watches like, you know, whatever.

[B]

My mom's on this too. She has dementia too. She's put on whatever and like.

[A]

Yeah. And you're just like, let's watch this and. And be here. And this is what the experience is. And it was great. And we were there.

[B]

And she remembers you and stuff.

[A]

100%. She remembers us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So you're lucky. We're very lucky.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My mom remembers me and all our history. She can't tell you what she had for breakfast that morning.

[A]

She doesn't know what city she's in.

[B]

But like, you know what? Like, God bless. That is in my mind, that is the fucking win best version of dementia. Like 100%.

[A]

So it's hard.

[B]

It's fucking hard.

[A]

But we were at her house and we were watching. There's a reality show called the Golden Bachelorette. And the golden Bachelorette is a 65 year old woman who. I mean, it's the fucking Bachelor.

[B]

It's the golden bachelorette.

[A]

Golden bachelorette. 65 year old woman goes. And it's a bunch of guys in their late 60s, early 70s.

[B]

Oh, I thought this was like the young guys going after her.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. It's not the golden milf. Anyway.

[B]

There was a show about that though.

[A]

I'm sure. But this is not that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They were doing, they were doing she's pretty. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. They were doing the guys sort of wrap up talk show about their time on the show.

[B]

This makes me happy. She looks very nice. Was she a nice woman?

[A]

It's not about the girl. It's about the fact that these guys. No, no, no. But it's not about the girl.

[B]

Was she a nice woman?

[A]

This show, I didn't even see the girl.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

This show was about the guys and their experience on the show. These are 65 plus guys and every single one of them was crying about the fact that they were able to for three months have honest, earnest relationships with other men in their age range. And it was so clear that none of these guys had a single honest male friend. They were, I mean they were literally like, I just want to support you. I just want to like, it's just, it's about being together and like what's your. What are you going through? And some of these guys, their wives had passed away years before and they were never going to date. And it was so interesting to me to see a random.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Allotment of men from all over the country having this. It had nothing to do with the woman. It had nothing to do. They were all like, all that I cared about was. And they were like. I mean, it was just, it was, it was something that I in. In at. For me watching it, I was like, I totally understand how there are people on this planet that are especially men. I mean, there's a male depression epidemic and it has to do with not having enough male friends that were close because I'm very, very, very fortunate. Just this weekend I spent in Palm Springs with four other of my friends and we had all these conversations. We were able to talk about our lives and our wives and all these things.

[B]

Can I tell you?

[A]

And people do not have that. And that's a bad thing that we.

[B]

Need to solve 100%. And I see a lot more of these micro groups that are forming. There are these bonding, connecting groups of like minded people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's like, there's a few of them. Cameron, one that Courtney's a part of. Do you know the one Courtney's a part of, like, and there's, there's one that's like, that is basically like, if you're entrepreneurial, you kind of have this ambition thing, you can join this group and you get connected with these male, other males and they have the same thing. You know, it's just tough because, like, you have to figure out, like, is it, is it. Do you want the diversity of the, of this? Or do you want the open sharingness that comes with just being with a similar sex? And so, yeah, I'll give you an example of one that I did. So I did a eight week program with Terry Real. And people know the cast of characters that I typically hang out with. And a lot of those guys were also on the call. I won't call them out, but we did a weekly call and every time, Terry was very good at bringing up, like, what, like, this doesn't spread outside of the zoom call.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, what the fuck is going on with you? And how can we support you? And tell us your most intimate, vulnerable self if you knew that you could trust the men around the table.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

To not judge you, not try and fix you, but just listen to you and support you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the stories I heard from, you know, Fortune 500 CEOs down to, you know, people working retail, because we had the whole spectrum. We didn't like, try to make it just rich people. We all have the same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, there's different levels of that, there's different nuances around all that, but like, the power that comes from watching another dude cry. And there was many, many tears over many, many weeks around that guys were going through and just being able to say, we got you, we're supportive and let's, let's like, let's, let's Interrog is a very good, like, facilitator of this whole thing. But, like, dude, that's like, that's that tribal that we've gotten away from totally. And like, we don't even know who our fucking neighbors are now.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

You know what I mean? And it's like, we need to get back to that. And technology is pulling us more into our phones and less into knocking on our doors and breaking bread with our friends.

[A]

Like neighbors 100%.

[B]

And like, I don't know, that's my hope is that we get more towards that. But I don't Know how far off. How the fuck will we get here?

[A]

Honestly, I don't know, but I'm glad we did. Reach out. And by the way, this is the other thing. Reach out to your friends, text your friend. Like, that's the thing that I'm like, people don't realize how close you are to that. I remember having this moment in college. I was in a fraternity, and I had a sheet. Like, that was like, the call sheet. You know what I mean? It was like, basically everybody in the fraternity's phone numbers. That's literally a call. She. And I remember having this conversation with one of our brothers, and I was like, I don't feel like. I know. I don't feel like any of these people are my friends. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, I don't feel like any of these people are my friends. They're in my fraternity, and I see them and we hang out. But, like, they're not my friends. Like, if I'm bored, I don't know what to do. And he was like, call somebody on the call sheet. And I go, there's no fucking way. I'm gonna just pick up the phone and call brother number 30. That I know. And I would hang out at a party, but I'm never gonna pick up the phone and be like, hey, I'm not okay right now. I'd like to go and have lunch. And I know that person would have been like, fuck, yeah, let's go. You know what I mean? But I would never do that. And it's a little bit the same. And again, thankfully, I'm in a place where I don't feel like this anymore. But I will say, I think if you do feel like this, there are so many people in your phone, you could just text and say, hey, what's going on? Let's chat. Let's go to lunch. Let's do the thing. You know what I mean? And there's this concept of we were talking about. There should be an app for that. There should be an app that tells you, hey, you haven't texted this person in your phone. And I know that the texts have been very emotionally connected. Like, this is a person for you. Like, I have people in my phone that I stopped texting because we just. You know, I loved being with them. I loved hanging out with them. And I try, you know, it's like three or four times when I'm like, let's hang out. And it's like, yeah. And then there's no follow up from the other side. And I go. Thankfully, in my old age, I started to go, I don't know if that's a person that needs to be in my life anymore. And that's not necessarily a good thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And if there was an app or whatever that was like, hey, here's a gentle nudge. Because by the way, that person might need me. And I don't know. You know what I mean?

[B]

That is the one thing I've realized that, like, a lot of the times when I don't get responses back these days.

[A]

Yeah, it's not about you.

[B]

It's not about me. Because I've realized, and I found out later that they have shit going on.

[A]

Everybody does.

[B]

There was this one guy that recently I was hitting up and I was like, hey, blah, blah, I haven't heard from you. What's the deal? Blah. And I was like, immediately, asshole.

[A]

Of course, of course, of course.

[B]

And then he sent me an email and he's like, oh, I had went through some shit. Yeah, it was some shit. It was like someone passing away in their life.

[A]

I was like, God damn it, now you're the asshole.

[B]

Right. But also just like, you have to realize that, like, everybody's got their shit.

[A]

I know. But also like, that person could have benefited so much from you reaching out and going, I know you're going through some shit.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

I'm here for you if you need.

[B]

I've been trying to be more proactive.

[A]

It's hard. It's hard because I've had some friends. It's hard for guys. Right? Like, I feel like girls get this shit innately. Like, my wife has these friends that, like, she could not talk to them for two years, and then she finds out that they're going through something and she's like, immediately like, what do you need? How can I help you? So sorry. And then all of a sudden, they're just back in the. In their lives. And I feel like with guys, it's like, I don't know. And so this goes back to the Golden Bachelorette where I was like, I was watching this thing and I was like, I get. Yeah.

[B]

Are you supposed to.

[A]

Let's not. She's all right. But I feel like I get why these people were having these existential things with just like a group. And by the way, when it's 20 year olds, they don't give a shit. They don't get it because they don't care. They don't understand that you don't have these relationships as you get older.

[B]

Anyway, the relationships model is interesting because we've all. Romantically. If someone were interested romantically, we will pursue 100%. But, like, when we're texting guys and they don't respond back, they're like. We're like, fuck it.

[A]

Yeah, fuck that guy. That's a different thing.

[B]

But why. Why don't we have that sort of.

[A]

Intention with friendships that we did with romanticism?

[B]

You know what's funny is my buddy Tyler, he lives in New York and he calls me and, like, fucking, stop calling me dude. Like, just text me, dog. Like, fucking. Why are you calling me all the time? And then, like, he finally was like, dude, isn't this so much better? Like, we're actually, like, talking and stuff. And it's like, this is why I call people, because I think it's important. And I realize he's right.

[A]

He's right.

[B]

Like, it's like that. And I'm like, oh, I should call him more. Like, it's a weird thing because we went backwards and now we're realizing we went too far.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because there's disconnection and now we need to have more connection. And yeah, it's our. Yeah.

[A]

Like my.

[B]

She's like an old dress on.

[A]

I get it. Yes. She's an attractive lady.

[B]

She's, like, kind. Hello, Alex.

[A]

Like, she's not. Hello, Alex. Me.

[B]

No, but let me ask a question. How.

[A]

How much would you. Would you.

[B]

Would you horror. Would you date older?

[A]

I am dating older. No, I know, but I married someone 6 years old.

[B]

Then you're not married. Like, what's your upper limit?

[A]

I remember when I married. I'm not a. I'm. Age is just a number, Kevin.

[B]

I'm about to go up 10 years.

[A]

I mean, I'm. I've already gone up six.

[B]

Oh, she's six years older.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's hard.

[A]

Why is it hard? It was amazing. It is amazing. She's my wife. It was amazing when we met. It is amazing. As we stand. Long story short, call your friends and the away.

[B]

Thank you so much. Hey.

[A]

We'Ve been talking for almost two hours. Okay.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

I don't even fucking use it. But the dignation.

[A]

We do. We do. But is it the. Or did you get dignation on TikTok?

[B]

I think it was the scripting over there.

[A]

It's all good. It's all good.

[B]

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[A]

Oh, yeah. Letterboxd in the comments.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

That is it for this week's edition of dignation. The reboot episode number six. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[B]

I'm Kimberly Rose. And get ready for the live show. Coming.

[A]

We don't know. I mean, it is.

[B]

All right, bye.

[A]

Peace.