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Hey, Alex.
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Yes, Kevin.
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I'm just over here in the bar whipping up a little holiday eggnog. I was wondering if we could do a clip show.
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A holiday eggnog clip show?
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Yes.
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I'm into that idea, sir. Come over here and let's do it.
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Welcome to Dupation.
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Also potentially hazardous to your health.
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All right, moving on. Why lies in your freaking house? I've noticed in Southern.
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It's Southern California and I have fruit.
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You put zombie. You put ear in the title. And I don't want to do it. Dignation.com Ho, ho, ho. Happy holidays. I am your co host, Kevin Rose, co host and co founder of Dig Nation. Kevin Rose.
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And I'm the other one.
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Listen, there was no script this time.
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Happy holidays, everybody.
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Happy holidays.
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First off, I love your festive hat.
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I love your festive shirt.
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This makes me very happy. I stole this from Heather. I got this for her a while back and it was just like so perfect that I had to do it. Although you probably don't know what it's from.
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It looks like it's a Plaza Christmas party from 1988, if I had to guess.
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Yes, yes.
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I'm sure it's some movie. I don't own the reference to Die Hard. Oh, it is Die Hard. Okay.
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Nakatomi Plaza.
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Okay. That. I know.
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Fox Plaza.
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I didn't.
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They didn't get it. Yeah.
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I have gifts.
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You have gifts. Yes.
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Before we get started, by the way.
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Text people that you're doing that so then we can bring it.
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No, I feel better when I do it. So I got a little gifty action for everybody here.
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Okay. Okay.
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You know, it's the holidays. And Happy holidays. To everyone watching. So a couple things. I wanted to upgrade you a little bit in terms of what you like to drink.
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Yes, yes.
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So Gentleman Jack.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Gentleman Jack.
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That is upgraded.
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And that is a lot of juice. Look at that.
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That's gonna be a day.
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That'll be a singular.
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Stuff's gonna happen that day. Thank you, bud.
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You like Gemma? Jack.
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I love Gentleman Jack.
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Okay. Sweet.
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And I don't have any.
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And then I wanted to get Addison something. Cause I knew he was gonna be here. And so I got him a little mixter. Small batch. And thank you for making the cocktails, sir. Addison, there you are. And then I got. Sir, I got Mao. Mao. I know you're drinking less these days.
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It doesn't mean I'm not.
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I just got you protein shakes.
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Exactly. I got you a bottle of Dom.
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Oh, bottle of Dom.
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Because The New Year's is coming up too, and it would just be like a nice little thing to have.
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Amazing.
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Thank you.
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And then last.
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I got myself.
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I got. No, I wanted to get you. I know Jumbo Jack is like, you know it's Jumbo Jack.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is a proper good upgrade.
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Whoa.
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Have you ever had Dalmore before?
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I have not.
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Oh, it is so good. It is so good. Open this one up. This is the King, Alexander iii.
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I mean, that's a very.
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Oh, there it is.
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Holy hand grenades.
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So that will be your. Like, that'll be a good afternoon.
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That'll be a good afternoon. I'll start with the Gentleman Jack. No, I'm just kidding.
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You're gonna love that.
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This is fucking fantastic. Thanks, bud.
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Delmore's like, it's good in that it's not crazy. Crazy expensive, but it's also not crazy cheap. It's a good kind of little upgrade.
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But also King Alexander.
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Yes.
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I mean, that's.
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We all know Alexander iii.
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Alexander iii.
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He's known for drinking.
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Known for drinking and stags. That's awesome. Well, thank you. Happy holidays.
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Of course. Happy holidays, guys.
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And by the way, thank you, Addison, for the beverage I'm having. I'm combining it with eggnog. Are you really? Oh, yeah.
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Oh, no. You're not pouring it in?
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No, I'm drinking eggnog and drinking this lovely cocktail.
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All right, so this.
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So we thought we would get together.
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Yes.
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And go back over some of our most heartfelt moments. Some.
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Yeah, some. Some of our favorite moments over the last year.
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Yes.
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It's been a year.
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It's been a year. It's been over a year, I think.
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Dude, those first shows we're gonna show some of these clips on were from my house that burned down. There.
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You will see some of your house that burnt down.
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Mm. Okay. In peace house. But yeah, we got some good clips here. And then we'll do a little commentary and some more good clips.
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Oh, my God, it's the best.
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Should we roll the first one?
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Yes, first. The first clip is a classic from the. From the beginning of our. Well, close to the beginning.
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We look so young. Just like a couple months ago, Tyson, 75 million bucks to go in the ring with him.
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I would have questions about what I needed to do in the ring.
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Fight him.
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Well, in that case, please, no. Do I have to let him hit me or can I just run around?
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Okay, let's say 65 year old Tyson. Cause he could chase you then. Yeah, 65 will take you out.
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Well, Then no, not even close. Dude, he could fucking kill me with.
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One punch at 65.
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He wouldn't kill you, bro.
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He could break some ribs.
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My head and his 65 year old arms would murder me. Would you get in? Let's flip the scriptus.
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Okay.
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70 year old Tyson, I'd take him on.
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How old would I be?
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Oh, not now. Like, you would be older too.
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Yeah, we'd both be older.
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Oh, well then fuck no, dude. I would have a fucking seizure looking at him coming towards me now.
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We saw Tyson fight.
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We did see Tyson fight.
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Now that we know how he fights, I'd take him on.
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Oh, man. I still would not want anything to do with that, man. I mean, I mean, I'd be able to dance around more than I thought I would.
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Yeah, yeah. He's not gonna catch you for sure.
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Well, I mean, when he walked up and he had like the two like braces on his KN and ankles and all that stuff, and I was like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. But God forbid I trip.
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God forbid you trip and it's over.
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Ho, ho, ho.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you would just be like, ah, dance like a butterfly and then.
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Just fall over and kill if he was like, okay, you have to hold your arms up and just like in one punch to the stomach for like a half a million bucks.
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I mean. Yes.
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You would not do that. I totally would do that. I wouldn't do that.
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Could I tell him exactly where to.
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Punch in the stomach?
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I know, but I mean, it's all straightforward. Oh, God, I think I could do that.
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No way.
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Yeah. Because when we would do. When we would do muay Thai, that was like an exercise that we would do.
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Is you weren't muay Thai ing with Tyson.
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No, no, no. It would not be good. But for half a million dollars.
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Did you ever see that?
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I buy myself a lambo and just slowly try to get myself into it.
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Do you know there was that Creed movie, right, with that actor, Jordan. Yeah, he's awesome. And one of the things that Sloan did is he took him to an actual. With an actual sparring match, like to prep him for the film. And obviously they trained with professionals, all that stuff, but he said for, I guess Stallone did this as well. He said if you're going to take this role, you have to take a punch from a real professional fighter.
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Yeah.
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Just to see what it feels like, you know? Did you see this clip?
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No, I haven't.
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Dude, they hit him one fighter, which is like, like just like real quick. Yeah. In the face. And he just drops in the face. Yeah. There is difference between a professional hitting you and. I mean, these are the best people in the world.
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Yes. And they do everything perfectly right. Exactly like you, where you're like, I got most of them.
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It's not like Tyson's gonna be like, you know, like, miss and hit wrong.
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It's gonna be like one of those. I would be the. The bag on that, like, arcade machine.
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We're break.
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Just. He'd hit me, and I would just slide off of the ring. Oh, my God. Yeah.
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All right.
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I mean, but for half a million.
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If anyone wants to donate half a million for.
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No, don't start that. Gofundme.
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Exactly.
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Could do it. Jesus.
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Okay. All right, what else we got?
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Next clip. Also from. Also for. It looks like it's also from your Hyundai pronunciation.
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This is from Ju Kang. I mean, I. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I speak Korean, and it was a torture to watch you guys in the last episode getting further and further away from the correct Korean pronunciation. Hyundai.
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Nope. I don't believe that's how it's pronounced. Oh. All the letters are silent except the Hyundai.
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Oh, Hyundai.
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I'm a big fan of the new Hyundai electric car.
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Hyundai.
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Hold on.
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Is it more nice Hyundai you got there? What Nice Hyundai you got there?
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What kind of Hyundai is that? Hyundai.
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He's giving so many examples. Thank you, Jew. That was his name. No, you know what?
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It's not pronounced Jew.
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He said hit the bottom. Pronounced Jew. Jew. Thank you for writing in. And we look forward to our live dignation in South Korea on our world tour. Oh, yes.
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We never did before. Oh, my God, that was so good. First off, I loved Hyundai.
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Yes. And thank you, Jew, again.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so good. Because there was a lot of good comedy that came out of that.
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I mean, I still want that Hyundai. That was the old throwback 1980s version that they decided not to make.
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And the other one said we would buy one. Hyundai. Hyundai. Hyundai. Hyundai, please make those cars.
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Yeah, I mean, they had this really sick. We'll put a picture of it up, right?
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Can you look it up real quick?
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I think it's like the 1980s.
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Hyundai's out of, like, a Kill bill movie or something.
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Yeah.
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How do you speak Hyundai?
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Concept.
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Yeah, it's really cool.
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Boom. Heritage series.
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Heritage series.
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Oh, yeah.
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Ah. Even the tail lights, bro.
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It's like Men in Black. I want it. Want that.
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Look at this.
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The other one. Like the 80s retro stuff. It's. Dude, cars are awesome.
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When they do, that's the whole thing is like, people. The one thing that I don't know where it gets lost in translation, but these concept designers, even in the futuristic cars where you see them and you're like, oh, that's beautiful. You know the number of like, Audi R8s where I'm like, oh, that's the sickest. And then it gets out and it's like, eh. You know, they always trim it back and it's never as good as the concept.
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Yeah, it's very confusing and I don't think it has to do with the difficulty of manufacturing. I think it's just fear they're worried that they're going to put out. I mean, I don't think the cybertruck is going to help that fear.
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That's right. Yeah. Well, the cybertruck was the first time where they're like, yeah, let's go with that.
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Let's go.
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And everybody's like, jesus, I know who brought the dumpster.
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Is it regulation? Do those designers, are they working like blue sky?
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Like, whatever.
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And when it gets to the practical side of like, what they have.
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No, because look at the plan. Plymouth Prowler. The Plymouth Prowler is a batshit crazy car and it made it to street legal. So clearly there's, there's a, you know, there's a world in which you can just power.
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I didn't see the Plow Prowler.
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You didn't see the Plow Plower? You've seen the Plowler?
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Yeah, no, I didn't see this one. What's the deal with it?
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Oh, it was old school.
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Oh, and this was a long time ago.
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Yeah, long time ago. But it's one of those cars that.
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You'Re like, oh, yes. Oh my God, that was the worst.
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I know. But it's one of those cars where you're like, hey, look at that thing.
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Remember those?
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Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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But you're like, although it'd be kind.
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Of dope to have one today, it.
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Does come from a.
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No.
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Oh, God, that's disgusting. You know, I'd drive it, I'd drive it now, now, today I'd drive it. They're cool. I mean, they're. It's, it's a bold car.
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Yeah. There, there are some 80s cars where you look back and you're like. Or even 90s where you're like, ah, they shouldn't have a lot. There was probably 15 years of Mustang that were just God awful.
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Yeah.
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You know.
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Oh my God, that's so fun. Hyundai, thank you. Hyundai, thank you. I don't know if it was. Was it offensive that I bowed? I don't know. Anyway, here we go.
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Worst show ever.
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Worst show ever. Best show ever.
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Dude, I was too ham. This is when I quit drinking after the show.
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Oh, was that.
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Yeah, it was embarrassing. I couldn't even meet people afterwards.
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That is true. I took the bullet going out there to say hi to everybody to make sure they saw at least me. Ah, I was out there for a good time.
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Well, God, they brought all those shots.
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I mean, the shots were really what did it. It was so fun.
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I was forever grateful everyone came out. That was to make us. I mean, I was like. I felt like I was a time machine.
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It did feel like a time machine.
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And then obviously we had Alexis on stage, which is so cool. Ye lot has happened, man. This year has been crazy.
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It. That was March, right? Yeah. Because it was south by.
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Yep.
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God, that feels like that was so long ago.
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Well, we've got. I mean, there's a Big Dig stuff coming in the next. Next few weeks, so. Am I allowed to say a few weeks? Yeah, it's within. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's. That's global enough. It's going to be really. It's going to be really fun. And I just have to say it's been really a blast to get back together and being able to do these shows and drinks.
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I feel like this year for Digg is going to be that one where finally we'll get out something that is, you know, not only has a feature set that is very similar to our biggest competition out there, but also can, you know, give us the time to innovate and try new things that are uniquely ours. And we've said this before, but it is going to be, you know, it was a long, hard road to get to an infrastructure and kind of the table stakes features that you need just to operate a massive social network. Yeah. Like, people don't understand the amount of kind of backend that has to go in there in terms of bot prevention and people signing up for like fake accounts and all the security stuff that we have to do in the scalability stuff that we have to do and the things that we want to add. And it was just a lot. But the team is. Is jamming now.
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It's lots of people in the beta. It's amazing.
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Like, yeah, it's not a lot of.
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People that are in beta that can say they have this many people sitting in there.
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Yeah.
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Waiting for the doors to open.
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It's Cool.
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It's going to be a blast. I love the product. I mean, it's really been fun.
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They just swapped out auth a couple days ago, which was like, now it's like 10 times faster login, which is great. And they just fixed a bug that allows for the Google login to be a lot faster. It's sometimes it's a little.
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I even noticed that where it's like you would see the, like the guy sign in now here, and then it would sort of remember that you were signed in and stuff like that. So. But that's, you know, it's the growing pains of a refresh and relaunch and community creation.
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Yeah, it's coming. That's the thing, clearly. Oh, yeah, everyone wants that. And that's working on the back end now.
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That'll be really interesting to see what communities pop up and, and thrive first. Because I think about how I utilize other social networks that we may not mention here. Anyway, so my Tumblr, I have it really tuned and I only get no, but, you know, I'm in like electric vehicles cooking food and I think LA food or something like that.
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Food. You're just in food.
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Food, yeah, I'm just into food.
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You just hang out and slash food.
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I'll flash food all day long. I made lunch. It didn't go over very well. Anyway. All right.
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Sometimes we're into some weird shit. There's no way your best example for where you hang out in these communities is like, food aviation. No. What's your weird shit? You got at least one.
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I don't. I'm not, I'm not in any of the weird shit stuff because for a long time I'm a very big lurker. And so for a long time.
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Where do you lurk? Where you like, oh, hello.
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What could go wrong? Okay, that's a fun one. Sometimes it's not fun, but when it's fun and thankfully it's like, why is it not fun when it's like, oh, that guy just broke his arm off, it's like, oh, I don't want to see that. So whenever it's like not safe or worse, I'm always like, nope, thank you. But the other stuff where it's just like people being idiots. I like that. There was another one. Oh, Wall street bets. Because I do want to.
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Well, you're building your AI betting machine.
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I'm building my AI betting machine. Which, by the way, I have only lost very little money because that's the other thing that. Did I tell you?
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Did you really build it.
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No, no, but I told you guys, I think I told you guys on the show that I wanted to, like, basically come up with an AI that would go through Wall street bets in the morning and just get the. Take the temperature of the group. Yes. To then be able to see when things. Because by the time I'm reading it at like 11 o' clock in the afternoon or 11 o' clock in the morning, it's like, look, I match money. My money I made this morning on this thing. And I was like. I mean, I. Like, I want to make money.
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I know you do. Anyway, did you write it or. No, no, not yet. Okay.
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But I did do. I was telling these guys before you got here. I did have my first moment, which is, you know, we've talked about all this stuff where, you know, it was going to, you know, we may live in the future. We may live in a codeless world where you just ask a computer a question or to help you solve a problem, it will generate a program in that moment for you to solve that problem and then get rid of that program. I went away for the weekend with some buddies to Palm Springs. And one of the things that we do is we. And I love. I love spreadsheets. I'm a man who just loves.
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And you love Palm Springs.
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I do love Palm Springs. It's very nice. But we all pay for something, and then at the end of the weekend, I'm just like, send me the receipts. And I'll say, like, you need to pay.
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This classic splitting it up, if you will.
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Splitting it up, as they say.
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It's a long way to say you.
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Split your things up, but so I sat down and rather than calculating it out on a spreadsheet, which is what I would do before, I just asked Cursor, I said, make me a web app where I can put in receipts for multiple people over the day and it'll tell me who owes what to who in order to even it out.
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Wait, why didn't you just drag that into ChatGPT and tell it to do it? Because again, you built and deployed an iOS app to like.
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It wasn't an iOS app.
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I did.
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It's a web app.
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You built a whole web app? Just.
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And guess what? It was fucking easy.
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Yeah.
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That could have been a single clock.
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That's a single prompt, though.
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But I was able to, because I didn't have all the information. So I put in some stuff to see if it worked. It did work. And then as things were trickling in, I would add it into the web app. And then I even set it up. I was like, hey, can you make it so that I can press a share button and it'll send a PDF breakdown of what happened? Thank you, thank you. And then of course, I was like, oh, maybe I should just deploy this and let people who are going on trips do it. And I showed Heather and she was like, oh, yeah, I have an app on my phone that does that. I was like, fuck off. Anyway, this is a good segue to.
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Your financial advice clip.
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Wait, I gotta. Oh, before we go there, I just wanna say what I do.
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Oh, I wanna say what I do.
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I've been going on. There's a couple subreddits that I do enjoy, I will admit, and I'm excited to open some up on Dig. One, that's Cap Kibble I've been hanging out on, slash autism.
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Interesting. For any specific reason?
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Because I've been listening to the Telepathy tapes.
B
Okay. I don't know what that is.
C
What?
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There is a podcast called the Telepathy Tapes.
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Oh, you might have said this on the show. And I promptly listen to it.
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I'm telling you, people listen.
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Okay.
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It's the holidays. You got some travel. You got to drive somewhere you don't want to listen to your parents.
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Yep.
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Put on season one, episode one of the Telepathy tapes. It is about these kids that they teach them how to use like an iPad to spell with. Cause they can't. They're non verbal.
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Oh, yeah.
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And they figured out that even though they have autism and they're non verbal, they actually are. You know, so many people have historically kind of like put these, these people into a bucket of being like, oh, you know, at a disadvantage in some way, you know, either like mentally or just not, you know, not even taught them. Like, you know, they wouldn't have them go to a proper school and they always would treat them like they're not actually in there, you know. And the lovely tapes. One of the things that it points out, which I think is amazing, is they show that not only are these very capable humans, but they're sometimes have extraordinary abilities that other people don't.
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Yeah.
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Because their senses in some ways are actually more heightened in other areas. And they are showing freaking telepathy happen between these kids and between sometimes kids and facilitators. It is very compelling. Now, I will say that it's all scripted. No, I watched some of the videos. I will say that with anything like this, there are people that have used it for Fraud and things like that and tried to take advantage and all that. And I do believe that there is a couple of those in here. But there is a couple of the cases that I've watched the videos and I've watched them perform it, and I'm like, I've seen David Blaine enough times. I'm like, I have no idea how these kids are doing it. It's very compelling. And then they get into savants. There are actual humans that can read two pages at the same time.
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Oh, yeah, dude.
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And it's just. It's wild shit.
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Yeah.
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And so the thinking now is it's less about, it's more about. So if consciousness is the fundamental fabric of all things, it's actually their brain is able to tap into more of the global cloud, like, mind, and that's where they're able to speak languages that they've never known before. Like, you would think, okay, you have a kid, and he's speaking. They have one kid that they show as an example in this podcast that they could give them Egyptian hieroglyphics, and he would know exactly what the symbols meant and tell you what they meant and, like, spell it out.
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Wow.
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Like, how is that even possible? The kid never read any, like, books on hieroglyphics and shit. And so the best that they have is, like, the reason why these kids all of a sudden have perfect knowledge of a language they never spoke and all these things is that it's all out in the cloud ether, like the wireless, and they can tap into it. It's crazy, dude. It's a really good podcast. But anyway, what I wanted to do was.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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I was in autism, because these kids have autism. But what I wanted to do is I wanted to do a search for telepathy before this podcast came out. Cause, of course, once it comes out, everyone's like, oh, telepathy this. Blah, blah, blah. And it gets really noisy. But if you look back, there were certain threads that were like, hey, does anybody else think they have telepathy in here? And, like, four years ago, this was not even podcast. Right, Right.
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Yeah.
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So you're getting to see, like, that RA data before it got all. You know.
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That's so interesting.
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It's really cool. It's really cool. Anyway, I highly recommend that as a. As something to listen to. You'll. You'll thank me for later.
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All right, well, as I state in this clip, I will state it again. I am not a financial advisor or a financial industry executive. So anything that I say here is should not be used as nfa. Nfa. Not financial advice. Here we go. I want to train a ChatGPT on day trading because I don't have the bandwidth to, like, wake up at 6am.
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Using keywords day trading.
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Probably train ChatGPT to do it on your behalf. And once that happens, everybody can just make money.
A
Your logic is sound, but then it's like, money. Then no one's making money.
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Yeah, right. But really, you know what I mean. This is not financial advice.
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People know that. You don't have to say that. I literally woke up the next morning. Listen, I'm not telling you to use ChatGPT.
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Legally, I have to buy code. You're saying not financial advice.
A
Everyone's like, yeah, yeah, we get it, Alex. Like, keep going. I woke up the next morning and I was like. I replayed this in my head. I started laughing out loud because, like, you during that episode, you were convinced that, like, you could just be like, chatgpt, make me money and do hedge fund, because you're awesome and it will.
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Just work first off. And do hedge fund.
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Right, exactly.
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Just make sure you prompt it right.
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And it's like, alex, what a beautiful idea. You know south park episodes where they show you the AI and everything? It's like, you're so smart, Alex. Go ahead and click deploy. We'll get your vibe coded.
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ChatGPT thought it was a great idea.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Like, we'll be happy to print you money, Alex. Oh, my God, I love it. It's so great.
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Santa hat is hot.
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It's a Santa hat.
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I know, but it doesn't breathe. How does Santa. Even his head doesn't breathe.
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He lives in the North Pole.
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See, look at Mal. He has no hair.
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I'm baking. I'm baking.
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Oh, you're baking.
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Oh, he's baking. Yeah, he's Canadian. Baking over.
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Well, I like the bell sound.
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Yeah, the bell sound's nice.
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Quite nice.
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The hats are hot. All right, shall we go into speaking of ChatGPT?
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I dropped in a chat conversation I was having with my wife in the ChatGPT.
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Oh, boy.
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And I gotta say, I was like, help me win this. You know? Like, she's so freaking smart and she's freaking neuroscientist. And, like, she was winning. I was like, I gotta go. Yeah, she's impervious to that stuff.
B
Wait, so what did it tell you to do? Just leave. Walk away.
A
It's like, run, mother.
B
Take your go bag and leave.
A
No, it was take your go back.
B
That's not literally it's over there.
A
No, no. But all jokes aside, like, you can use it for so much now. Listen, when I was younger, I used to think that CHAT GPT should be used for winning arguments. And now I understand that it's not grown. I've grown as a human.
B
You did some meditative retreats.
A
My therapist has told me that I am not supposed to endorse. Exactly.
B
I should not be putting out this as advice.
A
Yes. This is not financial relationship advice.
B
I'm not a licensed therapist.
A
I will say, though. Well, it's interesting, we had a family member that went totally rogue. Well, extended family that went totally rogue and is like, it's enough removed from my family, but it's still like degrees of separation.
B
Yeah, yeah.
A
Where one family member was like, okay, well, we're getting a divorce and I'm gonna take the kids. I'm not gonna do what the judge said to do.
B
Whoa.
A
And not do the kid thing, like, in the way that the judge said to do it. So what was interesting is I have another family member that used ChatGPT was like, okay, using the principles of Never split the difference, which is that. Great book by the FBI negotiator Chris Voss.
B
Yeah.
A
How would I address this to this person when I talk to them on the phone? And so basically got back this bullet list of ways to like, just seriously go in and have this conversation in a very blunt but way that doesn't like, compromise on what you actually want. And when she ended up hanging up the phone was like, I got everything I wanted. Like, the person is doing exactly what I wanted. There is tactics like that that you can, like, have it script for you. That's just brilliant. Oh, that's like, if you're going to argue like a credit card statement or you have something that, like, you really want to. Oh, yeah, I used it for that back in the day.
B
Yeah, yeah, it was conversations.
C
I still use that as the basis, like rag. Reference.
A
Yeah. So Crucial Conversations is a great book, but it's dense, you know, it's like hundreds of pages and there's like little nuance there that you probably won't remember. So you can go and just get the PDF and then create your own new kind of like, container. They have them in chatgpt. What do they call when they have a project?
C
Custom GPT is their project.
A
Yeah, project. Whatever. You drag the PDF in and so it's always living with that context.
B
Got it.
A
So any new chat that you spin up in there is all automatically going to have that PDF associated with It.
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A
So you're like, okay, this is my. I need to, like, figure out a way to negotiate one. So you could put. Chris was there. You could put this. Crucial conversations. And then you're like, oh, they're charging me $100 late fee on my ex. And then you use, like. And it gives you the right response. And 99% of the time, dude, it works so great because people want to be validated, and there's, like, a certain order that you have to ask for your ask in. And it's just. It's amazing.
B
I love that. That's the type of stuff that feels like a superpower when people have it innately.
A
Yes.
B
And when. And when. And when you don't have that, it can be very frustrating.
A
Well, what's crazy in this is, like, with anything, when you do that, like, let's call it a dozen times, and you're not doing it for, like, nefarious things. Like, you're just trying to, like, figure out how to communicate, to structure your. What you want.
B
Yeah.
A
And it's still up to them if they want to say no or not. But the interesting thing is once you do it that dozen times, then all of a sudden, it starts to become second nature. You get that, and then you get that. That thing that we've always looked at. I'm like, with you. I've always admired certain aspects of people, how they present themselves or how they ask for things that they want, the barriers that they're able to put up. Like, the boundaries that they're able to put up. And boundary protection is obviously very important. How people are really good at saying no. I kind of suck at that. Sometimes. I will say yes, and I'll be like, yeah, I don't really want to go.
B
Yeah, I always say that. Got this from Heather, but. And I can't remember where she got it, but the word phrase is. No is a complete sentence.
C
Good one.
B
Yeah.
A
Let's begin.
B
That was a complete sentence. And it's. And it's true. Like you. I always feel like I had to give flavor tech around it to make them not feel bad. But it's also, like, I don't. And I will do that with people that do not have a high. High Meaning this impact in my life. Like, you know, like, the people who. You're. Like, you don't. Aren't, like, they're not really good friends. They're not even really good friends of friends.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, it's like people that you just are like, why am I why am I falling over myself when I don't? But it's just so innate in me to be like, I want everybody to love me.
A
People pleasing. Yeah, same. You know what's crazy is there was a study that was done actually in Chris Voss's book on the never split the difference where they did this kind of cutting in line situation where people get pissed off when other people cut in line.
B
Right.
A
100%. It's like a thing. Yeah. But they figured out the words that you have to say in order for it to be accepted. And what's crazy is it has nothing to do with why you're cutting in line. It just has everything to do with how you ask to cut in line. And so all you have to do is when you're about to cut in line, you say, hey, do you mind if I go ahead of you because. And then after. Because it doesn't matter.
C
There was a meme for a while on the Internet.
B
Interesting.
C
The because thing. Like, it was just the phrase because, Right?
A
It was just because.
C
Because. It's that reptile brain hack. If you just say no, no is a complete sentence. But if you just say no, you're inviting the question, but why? If they hear that because and nothing else after.
A
Yeah.
C
You have completed the reptile brain.
A
Yeah. You could go into like a line at the grocery store and say, hey, do you mind cut. If I cut in line, I know the line's 10 people deep. It's because my lizard died. And people would be like, oh, yeah. You know? And then it doesn't really matter. You know, it's of kind crazy.
B
All right, let's now discover when and the exact moment Kevin realized he was bankless. No, not that. You were saying Netflix and chill.
A
Oh, joking. Jesus.
B
Me canceling my party plans for tonight and staying at home and watching Netflix is like a win. You know those memes.
A
Yeah. Where it's like Netflix and chill.
B
Yeah.
C
So I'm not sure that's what that means.
B
Yeah. That's not what that means.
C
Netflix and chill.
B
That's people partying. Yeah. That means banging.
A
Netflix and chill means banging.
C
Yeah.
B
Kevin Rose.
A
I had no idea. I thought it just meant, like, you use.
B
That is code for young people to go bang.
C
Have you.
B
Do you want to come over and Netflix and chill?
A
I used that, like, the wrong way a lot of times. Be like, I'm going Netflix and chill tonight by yourself. I've said it so many times.
B
You know what that means?
A
I've said that to people.
B
I stop saying that.
A
You're with me. I hate this.
B
That is literally. Of course you hate.
A
I hate it because I can remember saying it to coworkers.
B
And what did they have a look.
A
Well, I would just be like. They would be like, what are you doing? And I'm back. I'm just Netflix and chill. And I would say that to other employees, like when I worked at Google or when I worked at all these places, and people are like, oh, damn. He just told me he's banging that. Really?
B
Yes.
A
Oh, Jesus.
B
And worse, if you're going to a hotel room by yourself, I'm just gonna Netflix and chill. Put on some softcore Netflix. Oh, my go, Emily in Paris.
A
It still stings. It still feels like I really screwed that one up.
C
The show is attacking Kevin.
B
This whole show is attacking Kevin.
A
Why is the whole show.
B
I chose all the clips.
A
But, yeah, do you have any anti Alex clips?
B
You know, I'm not a financial advisor.
A
Okay, that's fair.
B
All right, we're going to the spank bank, or lack thereof. Here we go.
A
I have Aphantasia.
B
Aphantasia. So when you think of an apple, do you just think of the concept of an apple?
A
I feel it. I'm. I'm being dead serious. I do not see an apple. I thought the spank bank was a joke.
B
Oh, buddy.
A
There's an actual bank.
B
Oh, buddy.
A
I had no idea you guys could look in your head.
B
Oh, my God.
A
There's no spank bank in me.
B
Oh, damn. So sad. Oh, buddy.
A
But I don't know why.
B
I don't know. I have.
A
I. I don't know what I don't have. I don't know what I don't have.
B
I mean, you don't know what you don't have. This bank. Bank is real. Is it real? Oh, yeah. Like, you could see Perfect. Yeah.
A
And you can remember stuff.
B
Oh, hell yeah.
A
You guys suck. Well, the funny thing is, after this episode ended, Alex, like, grabs me. He's like, so, yeah, the spanker really is real.
B
Let me explain to you what you're missing.
A
I told my doctor this.
B
What did he say?
A
Well, we were.
B
I mean, it's obviously a thing.
A
I was there to get my flu shot, and I was like, I have.
B
You're like, doc, I gotta talk to you about the spank.
A
No. Well, he's like a homie. He's like our age, and he's a good dude. And I was like, we chat about all kinds of stupid shit. And I was like. I was like, doc, I was like, I have affantation. He's like, what's that? I was like, I can't see things in my mind's eye. And I was like, I don't have a spank bang. And he just, like, starts laughing his ass off. And he just thought it was the funniest thing. All you fuckers really have one.
B
I mean, it's funny. We were talking about it. I will say it has become something that I talk about on a regular basis. My lack of spank bank specifically. But aphantasia. Aphantasia or whatever. Because, like, oh, my buddy Dan, his wife Priscilla has it.
A
Oh, nice.
B
I literally got a text from him. I was like, dude, Priscilla has that. And I was like, oh, my God. So I have a feel. So it's been coming up more and more because it went around.
A
So she has no bank.
B
She has no bank. Right.
A
But it's not a. For women. It's not a spank bank.
C
Why not?
B
And I think it's still a spank bank. No, it's experiences that go into. I mean. Yeah. Maybe they wouldn't be called spank.
A
Yeah, probably like a touch bank, the term.
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A
I don't know how you call it.
B
The thing that I will say. And I was saying this to Addison before you got here.
A
The thing that you were talking about. My bank before I got here.
C
Oh, yeah.
B
Well, yeah. Cause we were talking about aphantasia. What is it? Aphantasia. Aphantasia. You have asphantasia.
A
I do. You like a good asphantasia.
B
But the thing is that the spank bank, I think, is a clear epitome of what is happening, because it's so you can say it to someone and they go, oh, I totally get what you mean.
A
Yeah.
B
Like, can you visualize an apple? Is a little esoteric. But when you go, you know how spank bank works? And they go, yeah. You go, yeah. They don't have that. Cause they can't visualize that moment.
A
Right.
B
And it's like, I totally understand.
A
Well, they're also really sad for you.
B
Very sad.
A
Which I've had that happen a handful of times now. Nobody's on my tell anybody sad, but it's good. Well, you know, I think there are benefits that we're just unrecognized now.
B
We'll talk to ChatGPT.
C
Kevin. Piggybacking on your autism conversation. So with the lack of the sense. What is it heightening?
B
Yeah.
C
Do you feel like you've developed a superpower from not having a mind's eye.
A
It's a good question actually. And I think it's. Well, there's only a few things that I can feel that there's a few things that over the last call it like I don't know, probably 20 or 30 years of either just working or getting to know friends as I was kind of growing up that people would say that they don't have the exact same thing of. And I think those are largely. I feel like my bullshit detector is really high. And so the. I don't know what it is, but I feel like I can sense when something's just not right. I also feel like I can sense when things are not going to work very early. Most people will believe in something is going to work. And so I feel like to your point about the stock trading stuff, like the number of times I could have made money if I had shorted a stock because I saw that it wasn't gonna play out in the way that people thought it was gonna play out.
B
Oh, interesting.
A
I was just like, oh, but that's all gut driven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll never forget when I was walking on stage for I told the story before I was going on stage at TechCrunch Disrupt with Michael Arrington and he's like, what's your thesis around investing? And I said, well, it's all gut based. I have to visualize not in my mind's eye, but in my emotional eye. Kind of like how people are gonna feel about this product over the next decade. And that is something heightened in that I feel a very emotional connection to products and to experiences and to things and to people. And so that is different because there's nothing to visualize. So I'm thinking about the future of something. I'm not picturing it. It's like an emotional feeling. I'll never forget when Twitter was very early and the reason why I invested very early on was I immediately felt kind of the impact it was going to have. I could see what was going to happen when celebrities picked it up. I was like, oh, this is an emotional connection that everyone's going to have in a way that they are gonna feel comfortable doing emotionally because they don't have to have a two way conversation. It's not like you're throwing people into a chat room with someone. So it's like a one to many blast. And it was very emotional. I could watch how people would be interacting and how they would feel comfortable doing those things in a way that they hadn't been in the past. And so it was a lot of wading through those emotions that was like, oh, I gotta do that. And that's like investing for me. Like, the best deals that I've ever done have been the ones that have that emotional baggage with it that I can feel either positive or avoid something on the negative side. Now. I missed a lot of stuff, too. It's not perfect, but it is the one thing that feels a little heightened.
B
That's so cool. Yeah.
A
But I'd give it all up for a little bank. Just kidding.
B
I mean, you would. You would. Here we go. All right, all right. So for our final clip, we wanted to go back to one of the earlier episodes of this relaunch. And we have a highlight reel of highlights from one of the Meta, meta. A meta, meta. We're in the. We're in loop. We're end gaming. And now Zuckerberg. We're Zuckerberging ourselves. That's gotta become something. Anyway, so let us take a look back at one of our earlier episodes.
A
Of us taking a look back.
B
Of us taking a look back. Nobody from the government listens to this, right?
A
Have you ever bought the Dark Web?
B
I can't talk about that.
A
Yeah, this is a. That covers a lot of the fringy, weird, a little bit of everything around the Internet as found on various social news sites. The genie is out of the bottle, and more and more governments are going to put this on their books.
B
Who's the laughingstock now?
A
You're definitely the more dominant one with the goatee. I feel a little like, first off.
B
Nobody'S just standing in the flight school.
A
At a zombie apocalypse.
B
Guys, don't take the planes.
A
I love a little bit of horror, horror, horror.
B
It's the best. Star wars.
A
Really? Yes.
B
There's a male depression epidemic.
A
If you knew that you could trust the men around the table to not judge you, not try and fix you, but just listen to you and support you.
B
Yeah, it's so fun, honestly, that. That to me really encapsulates how much fun we've been having over the last year. Plus, we probably should have looked up when the first episode launched. I think it was two summers ago. Like, not this summer, but the summer before.
A
Well, my house burned down in January, so it was before last year.
B
Yeah, but we've been having so much fun. And thank you all for coming along this journey with us yet again.
A
Yeah, thanks for tuning in. I really think it's awesome. When I always. Every month or so I'll see a comment that's like, dignation's back. Shut the fuck up. And then they go and they freak out. Those are fun to watch because it's. We had so much fun doing the first, obviously, show, and this is a cadence that is way more approachable for us. And we're in the same city, which is awesome. And you're not moving to Italy.
B
I'm not moving to Italy, no. Even if I buy a place in Italy, I will be.
A
Are you gonna buy a place?
B
Probably not. I always want to do things like that, but.
C
September 2024.
B
September 2024. Wow. That's even farther back than I thought.
A
Time flies.
B
Time flies when you're having fun.
C
Yep.
B
Hey, and on that note, have a safe and happy holiday season.
A
We'll see you in January.
B
We'll see you in six. Jazz.
Podcast: Diggnation (Rebooted)
Hosts: Kevin Rose & Alex Albrecht
Episode: Diggnation Holiday Highlights | AI, Mike Tyson, Retro Cars & More
Date: December 24, 2025
The holiday episode marks a festive return for the Diggnation crew, serving up a spirited “clip show” of the most memorable, hilarious, and insightful moments from the past year. Reunited after 15 years, Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht revisit clips ranging from AI hijinks and Mike Tyson hypotheticals to retro car obsessions, brain science oddities, and the quirks of modern internet culture—all with their trademark, casual, geek-humor style.
The couch-and-cocktails vibe is alive, with off-the-cuff banter, gift exchanges, and tongue-in-cheek self-deprecation, as the hosts celebrate both their friendship and the rebirth of Diggnation.
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This episode is a perfect jump-in: you’ll get a taste of Diggnation’s signature humor, chemistry, and worldview, along with a tour through the most entertaining topics of their rebooted run. The banter is dense with internet references and human quirks, but the real connective tissue is the easy rapport and openness between the hosts.
If you’ve ever missed the feeling of two friends just riffing on the absurdity of life, technology, and the internet—this is a warm, hilarious, oddly heartfelt holiday special worth the listen.