He Dressed as a Bear to Scam a $400K Rolls-Royce

Summary

Diggnation (Rebooted) Episode Summary

Episode Title: He Dressed as a Bear to Scam a $400K Rolls-Royce
Air Date: April 28, 2026
Hosts: Kevin Rose & Alex Albrecht

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Episode Overview

Diggnation returns after a 15-year hiatus, with Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht bringing their signature blend of internet culture commentary, personal geeky updates, and humorous banter. In this episode, they dive into viral tech stories, life updates (including watchmaking and leaving VC), and wild internet happenings—including the titular “bear scam.”

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Main Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Life and Career Updates

• Kevin shares his departure from full-time venture capital with True Ventures to focus on building products (01:30–04:07). He remains involved as an advisor and angel investor:
  • Quote: "I'd rather be building right now. So they've been really cool with me." (04:07 – Kevin)
• Investment in Waymo, belief in their autonomous tech (04:32).
• Launching an incubator called “Basic Intelligence,” integrating Digg and focusing on innovative discovery/news tools (05:22–07:02).

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2. Rethinking Web Discovery & Digg's Reinvention

• Deep dive into how Digg is leveraging social graphs, AI, and new algorithms to surface real signals and influencers, notably in the AI space:
  • Built a "page rank for humans" based on 9 million Twitter/X connections (07:03–09:53).
  • Algorithm doesn't just reward popularity, but "influencers of influencers," surfacing early trendsetters.
  • Interesting note: Kevin/other founders aren’t even in the top 1000 AI influencer list their system created—proof of algorithmic objectivity (09:59–11:01).
    • Quote: "Just to give you a sense of how good this works, I am not ranked in the top 1000 ... that's how I knew it was good." (09:59–10:48 – Kevin)
  • Future plans: expansion to other domains, personalized alerts, and multi-platform aggregation (12:08–13:08).
    • Humorous aside: "It only works on AI and Japanese woodworking." – Alex (12:38)
  • Discussion of personalized, agent-driven news delivery, and the weird/fun possibilities (13:08–14:11).

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3. Watchmaking Rabbit Hole

• Alex has taken up building watches as a hobby (14:18–20:18).
  • Detailed the challenges and satisfaction of assembling and repairing mechanical watches including sourcing movements and fixing tiny mechanical parts.
    • Quote: "Putting the fucking second hands on... it was mind-numbingly small, but I fixed the keyless end." (16:12–17:21 – Alex)
• Kevin reflects on his experience running Hodinkee and attending watchmaking salons, emphasizes the artistry involved and hints at the appeal of watchmaking school (17:27–19:47).
• Both bond over the meticulousness and craft behind horology.

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4. Travel and Adventures

• Alex’s trip to Alaska: braving the Dalton Highway, seeing the Northern Lights, talking state "mosquitoes," and bantering about the Alaskan pipeline annual dividends (20:21–22:11).

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5. Internet & Tech Headlines Round-Up

A. Apple Leadership Shake-Up

• John Ternus named new CEO; Tim Cook becomes chairman (22:17–25:15).
  • Discussion on how Apple handled succession, context on Ternus’ background, speculation on the need for fresh AI direction.
    • Quote: "Tim had to go. He missed AI. He didn't see it. He really didn't." (25:13–25:19 – Kevin)
  • Critique of Apple’s AI (Siri/Gemini) lag versus competitors (25:18–26:39).

B. Robot Beats Human Record at Beijing Half Marathon

• Bipedal robot (“not a car, an actual robot!”) runs a half marathon faster than human records—50:26 vs human 57:00 (29:12–30:31).
  • Marvel at the pace of progress: previous year’s robot time was 2:40:00.
  • Speculation on near-future ubiquity of general-purpose robots, especially for hazardous jobs (earthquakes, firefighting) (32:20–33:17).
    • Quote: "Dude, if you get a robot firefighter who [goes] into the fire... that's—and by the way, that's good." (32:25–32:40 – Alex)
  • Jokes about future Costco Kirkland-brand robots and implications for daily life (34:59–36:36).

C. Amazon Invests Further in Anthropic; The AI Compute Explosion

• Amazon's additional $25B investment into Anthropic on top of $8B (38:43–39:05).
  • Anthropic commits to $100B on AWS spending over 10 years.
  • Banter about whether the AI arms race is sustainable given the compute/burn rates (39:43–41:39).
  • Kevin details how smarter models are making cloud AI usage more cost-effective (41:17–43:13).

D. AI’s Rapid Advancement & Societal Impacts

• Discussion of Anthropic’s new model “Mythos,” so competent at finding software vulnerabilities that it won’t be fully released (44:36–45:38).
  • Quote: “It is so good that it is finding vulnerabilities in everything... once this gets released, everything is going to be hackable.” (44:36–45:38 – Alex)
  • Conversation expands into quantum computing and the future of encryption, referencing historic software like OpenBSD (45:38–47:10).

E. Boom in App Store Submissions Fueled by AI

• App Store submissions up 60% as code generation enables a wave of new creativity and “app slop”—quickly on its way to being quality code (47:45–48:54).

F. AI Music & Social Trends

• 44% of new music uploads on Deezer are AI-generated—hosts question authenticity and predict a rise in value of genuine live experiences (48:54–51:13).
• Quote: "What’s never going to be cooked is in-real-life experiences... ticket sales might actually be way more expensive to go see it live..." (51:04–51:20 – Kevin)
• Kevin shares his experience seeing Trent Reznor live at Coachella, discusses how real musical innovation can be distinguished from AI-generated content (51:43–54:43).

G. AI-powered Viral Sympathy Scams

• AI-generated Shopify scams—fake crying avatars selling cheap goods by inventing backstories, exploiting online empathy (49:21–51:04).

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6. The Episode’s Viral Headline: Bear Attack Insurance Scam

• The Story: Multiple people in California faked a bear attack on a $400,000 Rolls-Royce. Investigation revealed the "bear" was a person in a costume using BBQ shredders to damage the car (57:33–60:13).
  • Insurance company consulted a wildlife expert who spotted the fake, leading to jail time and restitution for the scammers.
  • Hilarity at the footage of a person in a poor bear costume (61:13–61:27).
    • Quote: "They studied it and came back and said, that's just a guy in a bear suit." (58:32–59:14 – Alex)
  • Hosts both incredulous at the audacity and shoddiness of the scam.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "I just found myself spending so much time with these new tools…you can’t unsee it once you see it." (02:25–02:43 – Kevin)
• "Putting the fucking second hands on…I just did it today. It was mind-numbingly small, but I fixed it." (16:12–17:21 – Alex)
• “Tim had to go. He missed AI. He didn’t see it. He really didn’t.” (25:13–25:19 – Kevin Rose)
• “Just to give you a sense of how good this works, I am not ranked in the top 1000…” (09:59–10:48 – Kevin Rose)
• "If you get a robot firefighter who [goes] into the fire... that's—and by the way, that's good." (32:25–32:40 – Alex)
• “It is so good that it is finding vulnerabilities in everything... once this gets released, everything is going to be hackable.” (44:36–45:38 – Alex Albrecht)
• “The one thing that’s never going to be cooked is in-real-life experiences.” (51:04–51:13 – Kevin Rose)
• “They studied it and came back and said, that's just a guy in a bear suit.” (58:32–59:14 – Alex)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:30 – Kevin leaves full-time VC, plans, Waymo investment
• 05:22–13:08 – Basic Intelligence, Digg’s AI-powered reinvention, influencer-rank algorithm and product preview
• 14:18–20:18 – Alex gets hooked on watchmaking, gear talk
• 22:17–26:17 – Apple CEO shift, Tim Cook’s AI blind spot
• 29:12–33:17 – Robot runs Beijing half marathon, job automation speculation
• 38:43–41:39 – Amazon’s massive Anthropic deal, AI compute costs
• 44:36–47:10 – Anthropic Mythos, quantum computing, breaking old security
• 48:54–51:13 – AI-generated music, live experiences becoming premium
• 57:33–61:27 – Fake bear insurance scam on Rolls-Royce; video and reactions

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Final Thoughts

This rebooted episode of Diggnation offers everything longtime fans love: irreverent tech commentary, personal geek stories, and genuine curiosity (plus vintage Dom champagne). From industry analysis to wild internet scams, Kevin and Alex bring both depth and humor—cementing Diggnation’s place as a pop-tech cultural touchpoint for a new era.

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For more stories and updates visit diggnation.com or follow the hosts on Twitter.

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Transcript

[Kevin Rose]

I watched Star wars the other night with my kids, and they were, like, sitting there flying the fighter pipes, you know?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And they're like, I got a lock. I got a lock. It's like. And it misses them. I'm like, oh, yeah, that doesn't happen anymore. No, like, that's all bullshit.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like, in the future, it's literally this.

[Alex Albrecht]

Do we have a lock?

[Kevin Rose]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's a bunch of people on Alderaan looking up and, like, I don't know. I think we're winning.

[Kevin Rose]

I think we have a lock.

[Alex Albrecht]

Our iPad says we have seven more than them. Welcome to dign. Potentially hazardous to your health.

[Kevin Rose]

All right, moving on.

[Alex Albrecht]

Why do you have flies in your freaking house?

[Kevin Rose]

I've noticed in Southern.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's Southern California, and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put earring

[Kevin Rose]

in the title, and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com. hello, friends, family, academics, former neighbors, chief executives, anyone and everyone that is watching this show, we welcome you to our fold of dignation.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's Kevin Rose.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'm Alex Albrecht. Dignation covers some of the hottest stories around the Interwebs, as it were. This is not a mulled wine, by the way. We got Pliney the Younger, so care of Kevin Rose.

[Kevin Rose]

I took one sip of champagne, and it went straight to my head. I swear to you. The intro was completely sober except for that one sip of champagne. This, my friends.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes.

[Kevin Rose]

Is Russian River Brewing. Pliny the Younger, which was never released in bottle form until about five or six years ago. Something like that. Yeah. They finally started putting in bottles, and they would only do it. They only do one small little window of the year, and then people wait in line, like, overnight to, like, get their hands on it because it's such a small little run. My buddy Satish from Redpoint Ventures. Thank you. Satish gifted me this fine beer because he knows I'm a big fan, and he also wanted to congratulate me on leaving venture capital.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes. So kind of stepping away.

[Kevin Rose]

Ish.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what? How? What?

[Kevin Rose]

Why are you laughing?

[Alex Albrecht]

I don't know. It's good. It's good. So what? And so what was the impetus for this? Was it just time? You'd been doing it for, God, 20 years.

[Kevin Rose]

I mean, well, there's. There's a bunch of reasons. One. Yeah, it's no. There's no better time to be building something cool than right now. And we. I just found myself spending so much time with these new tools.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And building. I was like, I can't. You can't unsee it once you see it, you know.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

I mean, you're in the same situation. You do the same thing right now.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And you know, I. True Ventures is a fantastic firm. I've been there a long time. I left Google Ventures, I went to tru. I was at True for like, I think like nine years or something like that. And they are the best humans. They don't push founders out of companies. They don't do any of the shitty stuff that you hear about a lot of VCs doing. And they're built by founders, like people that have actually built and run companies before, which is something that I've always liked. I've always had a hard time with. Like, you know, I got my MBA and so I'm a vc and let me tell you how to run your business. You're like, okay, so tell me what you built. And they're like, oh, I haven't built anything, but I went to an Ivy League school. Yeah. Yeah. That never like really jammed, like, no. Really jive with me. Like. Yeah, I didn't like that.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And so anyway, True is a great home for a long time. I'm still an advisor there.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yep.

[Kevin Rose]

I. I'm actually doing a AI summit out here with them next week where I'll be on a panel and speaking and bringing some people together to talk all things AI. And so I'm going to continue to do little things with them every few months and then I just send them some deals like every once in a while. Like for example, last week I saw a really cool AI company. They were looking for a seed round and I was like, hey, you should talk to True. And they just made those introductions. Yeah. So I'll continue to be involved in a lightweight way there as an advisor, but I just didn't want to spend. You know, if you're really going to be a hardcore investor, you got to pour all your energy and time and effort into that.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yep.

[Kevin Rose]

And I just didn't have it in me. I'd rather be building right now. So they've been really cool with me.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, it's almost like you're just flip flopping your work with your hobby.

[Kevin Rose]

Right.

[Alex Albrecht]

Like you were working full time VC ing and hobby was building product and now you're like, it's time for me to flip flop back to being hobby VC periodically. And yeah, I already did my first

[Kevin Rose]

investment outside of True by myself.

[Alex Albrecht]

Get out.

[Kevin Rose]

Invested in Waymo.

[Alex Albrecht]

Wow. Really Yeah, I love Waymo.

[Kevin Rose]

I do too. That's why I invest in them.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, that makes sense.

[Kevin Rose]

I think they're great.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. So I just did that one on my own, but that was one that, like, you know, it's a little later stage. It's not for true anyway. And it was just like, I was like, this is a company I believe in. Technology is sound. I know the people behind it. It's great.

[Alex Albrecht]

I've been using them, like going out of style, as it were.

[Kevin Rose]

It's great.

[Alex Albrecht]

What have you been up to? I haven't seen you in more than a month.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, so a lot of things. One, I did a little teaser on the website, on the. On the Twitters, on the X's xx, I did a little teaser that kind of hinting at this new thing. So we created a little incubator called Basic Intelligence. That is, it holds Digg. So Dig is in Basic Intelligence of the same thing.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yep.

[Kevin Rose]

So all the people working on Dig are now working on Basic Intelligence and we're going to try a bunch of really fun, wild ideas.

[Alex Albrecht]

Cool.

[Kevin Rose]

And we have got the tools at our disposal now. We've got like three or four different little ideas that we're hacking on. And I teased out the first one today and. Yeah, so that's been. It's kind of the next page of what Digg will eventually, hopefully turn into. So we'll see.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's amazing.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. I can tell you a little bit about it if you want to know more about. Well, you know about it already, but I can tell them about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

Go for it.

[Kevin Rose]

Because we talked before we.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, you're fully up to speed. I see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm up to speed.

[Kevin Rose]

So here's what we realized when Digg was under attack by all these bots and these agents. And there is a very deep moat. The reason why. How many people have you heard complain about Twitter? Billions. Right. But it still exists. I would argue it's stronger than ever in some very niche areas. You want to have a conversation about anything AI related or tech, that is the place to do it. And there are certain places where it really excels. We realized that when we're looking at Digg, you don't actually have to own the conversation. The graph. What I've always cared about most in the early days of Digg was how do we find the signal early, how do we like? What made Digg so special was that when you come to that homepage and granted this 20 years ago, plus Years ago. And you land there, you're like, oh, I haven't seen this anywhere else.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like, I'm like, oh, wow, that's.

[Alex Albrecht]

It was a discovery engine.

[Kevin Rose]

Discovery engine. And so I started thinking about, okay, well how do I get back to that discovery engine? And what I did is I built a piece of software that went out and crawled and I use X API, the Twitter API, the official API. And I crawled the graphs of and created 9 million connections.

[Alex Albrecht]

Holy crap.

[Kevin Rose]

Of. I start off with tech and I said, okay, go after tech and start to look and understand who's following who.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yep.

[Kevin Rose]

Almost create like, almost like a page rank type system like Google for web pages, but for humans.

[Alex Albrecht]

Okay. Yeah. And then like a mesh.

[Kevin Rose]

Mesh, yeah. And then when you start to see people bubbling up as more influential. And so how do you judge that? Well, their tweets can go viral at times. They're early at discovering trends before they become very popular. You look at things like following to bookmark ratios, following to like ratios following to comment ratios. Like there's all these things that you can analyze.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And it turns out there are about 1,000 people. And I was like, okay, well let's just cut this down for now. Let's just cut down the slice of AI just to see what's going on in the world of AI.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

There's about a thousand people that dominate like 98% of the discovery and conversation.

[Alex Albrecht]

Okay.

[Kevin Rose]

And so once you have that graph, then you can go on to each individual, understand what they talk about and you can start to figure out certain researchers are better at and actually write code versus others are just commenting on that researcher and they're more on the media side. So you can break people into buckets of developers, media, CEOs, executives, and you create this entire not only graph of humans, but graph of their domain expertise. Then the next part is what do they touch early and how can you pull that signal and find it and put it in front of people before it becomes mainstream.

[Alex Albrecht]

Interesting.

[Kevin Rose]

So that is the next chapter. So the first chapter, what you'll see in the next week or two is we're going to roll out that ranking system that shows the thousand top ranked AI influencers. Influence is the wrong word. Connected people in actual influence like real people that when they touch things and, and it controls for things like popularity. Because like you could say, okay, well Elon is the most important person in AI because you know, and he is a very important. Because you're an AI, because his reach. Right. But it actually the way it was built, and it does this, and we'll publish the algorithm, but it's like this recursive, like, graph that essentially will weight people that are influential in that they influence people like Elon and. And Sam Altman and some of the others.

[Alex Albrecht]

Got it.

[Kevin Rose]

They can then punch above their following weight.

[Alex Albrecht]

Got it.

[Kevin Rose]

You see what I'm saying?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

So like a researcher.

[Alex Albrecht]

So it's not just a popularity context, which is what X is.

[Kevin Rose]

Exactly. So a researcher with 10,000 of the right followers that mentions the right things that eventually become very popular is on equal footing with an Elon or Sam Altman or whatever. Right. So just to give you a sense of how good this works, I am not ranked in the top 1000. So I'm actually not even the one in the top 1000. Even though I'm being followed. I don't want to say that.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

People can pull me up.

[Alex Albrecht]

There are reasons why anybody else would put you high on that list.

[Kevin Rose]

If you look at and you're like, oh, the CEO of Google and OpenAI, and they're following Kevin, blah, blah. But it doesn't matter because the algorithm's working and it's like, how important is he in the world of AI in influencing the future of AI? And that's how I knew it was good. No, no. Really? Because I'm like, that actually is pretty freaking cool.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'm not on this list. It knows what to do.

[Kevin Rose]

Like, you actually. Well, I cheated in that. I didn't cheat it, but I said,

[Alex Albrecht]

okay, you put yourself on the list.

[Kevin Rose]

No, no, no, no. I said, compute beyond a thousand because I'm just curious where I am.

[Alex Albrecht]

Where do you land?

[Kevin Rose]

I'm about 1500ish. But we're doing the profit at a thousand.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's smart.

[Kevin Rose]

But what's funny is I sent this to Alexis and he's like, what the fuck? I'm not 1,000 either. I'm like, neither am I, dude. There's nothing I could do. Like, we're just not that in the trenches the way we should. But it was so great. It was pretty funny. And then it does really funky things. Like, it can tell how combative you are or how agreeable you are.

[Alex Albrecht]

Interesting.

[Kevin Rose]

And there's one person that I sent it to. I won't name them on here, but they're like kind of a list celebrity person. And I sent it to them. I was like, wait, what do you think of this? And they was like, why am I 2.5% combative? And I'm like, good question. And so I actually built the feature to where when you click on Combative now in the profiles and it shows you what tweets that you've said that are combative.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, wow.

[Kevin Rose]

And this particular person was combative because they were arguing about sports.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, funny.

[Kevin Rose]

But that's cool because you can say, oh, they're combative in a fun way. And then I rewrote the algorithm or the ranking to say, well, if it's all in good fun and humor, it's not necessarily combative. So it took a lot of tweakings. I did over 300 GitHub commits to get this to the point to where it is today.

[Alex Albrecht]

Wow.

[Kevin Rose]

So it's not just like a one shot or AI thing. And it's done. There was a lot of time and attention and effort put into really dialing this in, and I'm really proud of it. And we'll get to someplace cool and next is what are people touching and how early can we find that signal?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Because if we can nail that, then all of you, like, forget AI.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

We can apply this to Japanese woodworking. You apply it to any domain you want and you could go across across networks.

[Alex Albrecht]

So it only works on AI and Japanese woodwork. That's all clearly designed by Kevin Rhodes.

[Kevin Rose]

Exactly. But the point is, like, apply this to tw, Twitter or to threads or to anything else and then add those together and be like, okay, find me. Because we all got that weird thing we're into. Like, what is that weird thing? And above all, by the way, I'm

[Alex Albrecht]

gonna tell you about one of my new weird things.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay.

[Alex Albrecht]

That I was so trying to get it done before I came here.

[Kevin Rose]

Who's twine?

[Alex Albrecht]

Twine. To get it done before I got here.

[Kevin Rose]

Well, give me 30 seconds to finish this thing.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, go, go.

[Kevin Rose]

The last 30 second rant is that in a perfect world, dig meets you. Where you're at in terms of I have this interest. I want to be notified and learn more about this thing and be notified when cool things are bubbling up in this area and provide me that information that can be in a variety of different formats. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be just a web thing. It could be an open claw thing. It could be a phone call to you when there's a breaking news story. It could be a podcast. It could be. So we're playing and we're having fun.

[Alex Albrecht]

That would be really funny to get a phone call from your news agent.

[Kevin Rose]

It's Working.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's crazy. Alex, get. Sit down.

[Kevin Rose]

Never guess. Listen, listen. Silly as it sounds is, this is doable today. If I detect something that you're into and it is above a threshold, meaning that it is breaking out, it's like the top 10% of the stories per year you really care about.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Hello. It's like, alex, listen, we got this hot story for you. Blah, blah. That is totally doable.

[Alex Albrecht]

That is so fucking weird.

[Kevin Rose]

I know. I know it's weird.

[Alex Albrecht]

I both love the future and am a fear.

[Kevin Rose]

I know.

[Alex Albrecht]

But at the same time, I think it's gonna be great.

[Kevin Rose]

I'm also scared. All praise our overlord, AI.

[Alex Albrecht]

So I am currently building a watch.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, yeah, Mr. Hodinkee.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, I'm literally, like, full on. Bought all the shit.

[Kevin Rose]

By the way. You haven't told. You mentioned something. And I was like, what is he doing?

[Alex Albrecht]

About what?

[Kevin Rose]

Building watches. You said it on a text thread somewhere. And I was like, what is he talking about?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, I've just.

[Kevin Rose]

You know, I was into watches.

[Alex Albrecht]

I know, I know, I know. I. But. And it's just I never really got into the watch.

[Kevin Rose]

By the way, two Casios.

[Alex Albrecht]

Casios. Casio Bros. Wonder Trim Power unite. So my. So my buddy Dan, friend of the show, Dan Trachtenberg, he kind of got into the watches, and I think I might have even talked about this on the last episode, that I kind of stopped wearing my Apple watch because I was just like, I just don't want all of that, like, constant tapping on my wrist of, like, something that is never important. You know what I mean?

[Kevin Rose]

Except for the. A fan that it might be. You might be missing out on, by the way.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's why I put it away. Anyway, and so I started wearing my Swiss watch that I got in Zermatt, like, fucking 12 years ago. Like, my stepfather bought it for me. You know what I mean? And I hadn't worn it, and I. And I've always been mesmerized by watches and interested by watches, but I just started kind of getting down this rabbit hole, and then my buddy Dan, he started getting down the rabbit hole, and he bought a Seiko mod. Like, somebody had modded a Seiko time paste. So then I started looking into the Seiko mods, and I started realizing that people are building their own watches. I started watching watch repair videos, and I just like, you know what? I'm going to fucking make my own watch. So I bought the movement. I bought the.

[Kevin Rose]

Which movement did you get?

[Alex Albrecht]

And it was. It's the ST36.

[Kevin Rose]

From what manufacturer?

[Alex Albrecht]

That I don't know.

[Kevin Rose]

Is it ETA?

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, it might have been. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

ETA.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. EPA.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. ETA movements are like the kind of classic beginners.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes.

[Kevin Rose]

You know I built the watch before.

[Alex Albrecht]

Did you? Yes, bro, it is fucking so small.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes, correct.

[Alex Albrecht]

And by the way, I broke mine and fixed it. Like, I literally, I was like, I broke the keyless part, the keyless. The crown scrolling thing. And so I actually had to like take one of the plates off and I was like, this is too much, it's too small. And then I was like. And I couldn't. And I tried to put it back together like four, five, six times. I went out to buy, I bought three points, 0.25 power glasses at CVS. And I took my contacts out last night so I could actually get in and see it, bro. Putting the fucking second hands on. I just did it today. It was mind numbingly small, but I fixed the keyless end. Like I fixed it and literally just today I just got the crown fitting set, the crown stem set and was like, all I need to do is close it up and put the straps on. But I was like, I had to come, I had to come here. I was like so excited to be wearing it. It's crazy, dude. Here look, we with you. No, no, no, no, no. Here's a picture of, of the, the carnage on our kitchen.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh yeah. That's amazing.

[Alex Albrecht]

So wait, so when did you build a watch and what did you. What? What did you build?

[Kevin Rose]

When I was working at. So I ran Hodinkee for a while, the watch blog. And that's. I got the chance to go to Switzerland a bunch and meet with a bunch of watch manufacturers and one of the things they like to do is they like to put these little salons on where they like come build watches with like.

[Alex Albrecht]

Build a bear.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, exactly. And so you take like a half leap or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And so you, you go and you basically do like a half day thing there and then you take apart movement and put it back together.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

So it's, it's no joke though, dude. Those, like, it's very. I mean, especially when you get into touching any of the, the very delicate like hairsprings or like anything that is, is just if you, if you screw it up.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It's just, it's, it's. It's a whole art form.

[Alex Albrecht]

You know, I weirdly kind of fell in love with it. This is the first one I've done and I Don't tend to do things a lot. Like, I don't tend to like, buy myself.

[Kevin Rose]

I've seen your calendar.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, well, I don't tend to like focus on a task very much. You know what I mean? Like, I kind of get bored. My mind races. And Heather went to. I finally got all the pieces yesterday and Heather went to. Went out to the Troubadour to see a show with a friend. And I got home, I dropped her off, got home and I was like, you know what? I'm going to start working on this thing. She literally walked in the door from the thing and I was like, mad scientist down. Like, oh, hey. And she was like, have you been working on the watch the whole time? I was like, yeah, it's fucking. It's crazy, dude.

[Kevin Rose]

That's cool. A lot of people are actually starting to build their own, like, movements and like, get in.

[Alex Albrecht]

I can see. I get it. Like some of the shit that was popping off when I was trying to fix the keyless thing, I was like, what the fuck? This is too small. Like, how is this even. Like the fucking second hand on. Because it's a pilot watch. So it has a little second hand. So small.

[Kevin Rose]

Dude, I'll tell you that the friends that I know that have gone to. Cause there's watchmaking schools that you can go to. Oh, that's cool. Like they're like three or four year schools.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. By the time you're done, you can actually make your own watches and cad and all that. I understand all the different pieces and whatnot. And one of the things that they do is they take. They buy big pocket watches off of ebay.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, funny.

[Kevin Rose]

And you get. Because it's like a watch just blown up 10 times.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And so you can just work on the old pocket watches and fix them and repair those.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's really smart.

[Kevin Rose]

It's a good way to start.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, Yeah, I know. I feel like I'm gonna maybe like get a watch. Well, so one of the things is my Swiss watch, when I got it serviced, the chronometer hand, the stopwatch hand is at the one second mark, not the 12. And it bugs the shit out of me. And I was like, I kind of feel like I could open it up and just reset that second hand.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, I was going to take a couple more watches before I open up my very nice watch and we're. Swiss watch. Yeah. But still it was really cool.

[Kevin Rose]

Dude, that's awesome.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, I'm like, very excited about it.

[Kevin Rose]

Very cool.

[Alex Albrecht]

And I went To Alaska.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, how was that cold? You catch salmon?

[Alex Albrecht]

No.

[Kevin Rose]

Halibut?

[Alex Albrecht]

No.

[Kevin Rose]

I had a great T shirt that said I went to Alaska just for the halibut. It's good. It's good. Good T shirt.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's good.

[Kevin Rose]

When I was up there, I got one.

[Alex Albrecht]

Is there AC in this adu, by the way? There is as fuck right now.

[Kevin Rose]

No, I've never turned on the ac, but it's up there.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, God damn it.

[Kevin Rose]

I don't know where I'm going.

[Alex Albrecht]

The Obi Wan Kenobi,

[Kevin Rose]

because the doors work too.

[Alex Albrecht]

So in California, we can just open the door, look at, and we have fruit. No, it was super fun. Saw the northern lights.

[Kevin Rose]

How was that? It's cool.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Was it, though?

[Alex Albrecht]

You're like, eh, Northern lights look Alaska. Gorgeous. Fucking wide open. I went up the Dalton highway, which is like the Ice Road Truckers. I went north of the Arctic Circle. I feel like I did it.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

Like, it's great, but I feel like I did it.

[Kevin Rose]

I did, too.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Did you go to Alaska?

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, yeah. Many years ago. But I caught a bunch of fish while I was out there, which was fun.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

So we did some fishing. We caught some halibut. And did you go in the summer salmon run? Yes, the salmon were on the.

[Alex Albrecht]

Were there a lot of mosquitoes?

[Kevin Rose]

I don't recall.

[Alex Albrecht]

Because that's what everybody was warning us about. They were like. Every Alaskan had the joke. Mosquito is the state bird of Alaska.

[Kevin Rose]

I don't like that at all.

[Alex Albrecht]

I don't know. That's why we were, like, glad we were in the winter.

[Kevin Rose]

They live there.

[Alex Albrecht]

They do. Because of the Alaskan pipeline.

[Kevin Rose]

I figured this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's like 1500 bucks a year.

[Kevin Rose]

Is that all it is? It's got to be more than that.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, it's not. We're not in Dubai. The United Arab Emirates.

[Kevin Rose]

How much do you get paid to donate?

[Alex Albrecht]

I think it's like 1500 bucks a year or something like that.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay.

[Alex Albrecht]

From the Alaskan pipeline.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, I know it's from the pipeline.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, we saw. I got the pipeline.

[Kevin Rose]

It's a pipe in a line. It's a big pipe.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's a big old pipe in a line. Anyway. All right. Shall we get to the first story?

[Kevin Rose]

Yes. First story of the day.

[Alex Albrecht]

Arrows.

[Kevin Rose]

Let's do it. So this one is hot off the presses.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Apple names John Ternus CEO, Turnus CEO, as Tim Cook becomes chairman. So Tim Cook is out.

[Alex Albrecht]

So this is crazy because I feel like this rumor has been sort of swirling for like six months, a year maybe. But now it's official. The T man is no more, as it were.

[Kevin Rose]

What do you think about. So this is the previous executive vice president of Hardware, right?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Moving into CEO role.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

I wish I just had more context on him. The one thing that Jobs was quite good at is putting Tim kind of at the forefront for a while prior to, like, I felt like I knew Tim. When Tim took over, I was like, ah, yeah. Now he's the guy.

[Alex Albrecht]

Have you seen is that guy's picture? Like, is he the guy that's in all the.

[Kevin Rose]

Like, he has done a lot.

[Alex Albrecht]

What's that guy's name? John Tanus.

[Kevin Rose]

Turnus.

[Alex Albrecht]

Turnus.

[Kevin Rose]

There he is right there. But, like, if you saw him walking down the street, would you be like, John. No.

[Alex Albrecht]

Not even the. I think he was the watch ultra guy, right?

[Kevin Rose]

Was he ultra watch guy?

[Alex Albrecht]

No, I feel like he's the guy that talked about the ultra watch.

[Kevin Rose]

Well, he's wearing an ultra watch.

[Alex Albrecht]

That makes sense.

[Kevin Rose]

Pretty ripped.

[Alex Albrecht]

See, this is why I think he was the ultra watch guy.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, I mean, he's young, though, which is good.

[Alex Albrecht]

75.

[Kevin Rose]

Holy shit.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, born younger than us.

[Kevin Rose]

Wait, no.

[Alex Albrecht]

Older than us.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, not by much.

[Kevin Rose]

I know you could be CEO of Apple right now. You wouldn't do it.

[Alex Albrecht]

Too much work.

[Kevin Rose]

Really?

[Alex Albrecht]

I don't want to.

[Kevin Rose]

That's in your calendar?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Come on, dude. You guys were on a call when I got here, and I was just like, sitting there going, this is why I don't work.

[Kevin Rose]

I was like, this could have been an email. I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you, I love your commitment to chilling because I will say, I am so jealous because Alex walks in and we're like, this is the launch date. We gotta make sure that we get the pr. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And Alex is sitting there like, hey, like, in the background. And in your head you're like, yeah, I don't work.

[Alex Albrecht]

Holy fucking hell, man. This sounds stressful. I gotta go back and watch some tv.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Albrecht]

I, like, I'm fully committed to. I'm gonna be a watchmaker. That's what I'm gonna do.

[Kevin Rose]

That makes a lot of sense, actually.

[Alex Albrecht]

Chill. Just sit and make watches.

[Kevin Rose]

I love that.

[Alex Albrecht]

Just punny watches.

[Kevin Rose]

If you want to go. If you ever want to go to Switzerland and meet with some of the top watchmakers, we can make that happen. You'd have a lot of fun.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, dude, I would. Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It's Amazing. The Patek Philippe Museum in Switzerland in Geneva is the coolest museum I've ever been to. Like, thousands of watches. And it's just. It's unbelievable. But anyway, John. So. John.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yes,

[Kevin Rose]

Tim. Tim had to go. He missed AI.

[Alex Albrecht]

He missed it, man.

[Kevin Rose]

He didn't see it. He really didn't.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, he. You know, Apple and. And their AI, I mean, they could have been. I mean, they had Siri. They already knew.

[Kevin Rose]

Exactly.

[Alex Albrecht]

They already knew that this was gonna be big, that people wanted to talk to her and have them respond, and it was good, but not great. And when he started smelling that people were doing this with ChatGPT, I mean, how fucking long ago was that? Four or five years ago that ChatGPT came out and was like, oh, this is cool. You can ask it questions and it'll respond. He should have gone all in on. Or somebody there should have gone all in on making Siri. Because they could be ChatGPT. They could have been, because they had the install base literally in the pocket.

[Kevin Rose]

Right.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, that was a big. That was a big miss. And then when they followed it up, doing the whole Apple thing of like, we're not first, we're best, and then just fucking was not even close to best.

[Kevin Rose]

Well, apparently there's a new WWDC that they have now teased, which is the big focus is the Siri. The big Siri update.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, but didn't they already say that it's going to be Gemini?

[Kevin Rose]

Who do they partner with? Was it Gemini?

[Alex Albrecht]

Was it Gemini? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Fuck, that's crazy that Google is now powering Apple devices.

[Alex Albrecht]

What? I mean, that alone is a good reason to switch them out.

[Kevin Rose]

Well, the thing is, you can never count out Apple because hardware, at the end of the day is going to be very important in this race.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kevin Rose]

And, you know, the processors that are running in modern Macs are just unbelievably efficient. If they can apply that same type of rigor to AI chips, like, I don't know, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that anyone is.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, no, no. Oh, God, no.

[Kevin Rose]

Especially with how much money they have in the bank to throw out this problem. What's. What's. Oh, you've switching.

[Alex Albrecht]

You're switching to champagne.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. So my buddy Aneesh, not to be confused with Satish from Andreessen Horowitz, gave me a celebratory bottle of wine for moving on to the next thing. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. New Kevin Rose show with Aneesh. Anish and Jason Horowitz talking about all things AI and the future of tech.

[Alex Albrecht]

I gave you that to you on the podcast.

[Kevin Rose]

Not on the podcast, but YouTube.com KevinRose and yeah, Dom. This is a Dom, vintage 2000, which is insane. Yeah. Here tries to look at that crazy, crazy vintage Dom, which is amazing. Thank you.

[Alex Albrecht]

I wish. I like champagne, my good brother.

[Kevin Rose]

I appreciate it.

[Alex Albrecht]

How do you not like it?

[Kevin Rose]

My sister gets you red wine. Drink your red wine. Don't, don't, don't. He just came off of a cold and he was, like, acting like he was gonna suckle my.

[Alex Albrecht]

Is it gonna be weird?

[Kevin Rose]

It's good.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's good with the pliny.

[Kevin Rose]

The elderly. It goes good with Pliny. It pairs well. Okay. This is like an older champagne, so it's not gonna be as fizzy, but you will get a little bit more condensed fruit.

[Alex Albrecht]

Did you just giggle?

[Kevin Rose]

I just. I expected you to spit it out. It's like that was. Oh.

[Alex Albrecht]

Ah.

[Kevin Rose]

Ooh.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Turns out Mr. Albrecht likes himself some condensed fruit.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, that's really good.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, There you go. Warms up the belly. Interesting. I love watching him get hooked on a new alcohol. Is my glass empty? Yes. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I know.

[Alex Albrecht]

So I just gotta buy vintage Dom Paranon and I'll be good.

[Kevin Rose]

There you go. Pairs well with the job.

[Alex Albrecht]

I love it. All right, all right, next story. Come on, guys. Robot beats human record at Beijing half marathon.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Albrecht]

Now, here's the thing. People talk about like, well, what does it matter? You know, One of the comments was like, yeah, but I could beat a human in my car. No, no, no. This is a bipedal robot. This is a robot that is running. It's not a car driving down the street.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

This is an actual robot.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. Not a single pedal.

[Alex Albrecht]

Not a single pedal. A bipedal.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

So the winning robot, Beijing half Marinog, finished the race in 50 minutes and 26 seconds.

[Kevin Rose]

Dude, no, I hadn't watched the video. Have you seen anything?

[Alex Albrecht]

I have not seen the video. I've just seen the image of this little darter.

[Kevin Rose]

I've got the video queued up. You ready to see this?

[Alex Albrecht]

So compared to humans, the human record. The human world record, the fastest any single human has ever finished a half marathon is 57 minutes. So this beat the human world record by seven minutes. And there was another robot that even finished faster. And by the way, just so you know, it's important for them to know this. You should know this back, back, back last year. Last year, just one year ago. I know the fastest robot finished in 2 hours and 40 minutes.

[Kevin Rose]

Right? So that's how fast this is accelerating.

[Alex Albrecht]

Hey, Hockey of fast running danger bots. But the actual fastest robot knives in his hands.

[Kevin Rose]

Why wouldn't.

[Alex Albrecht]

Doesn't need to have. You could have high shotguns. Honestly, if the zombie apocalypse happens, we would just equip robots to kill the zombies and we'd be good.

[Kevin Rose]

But you know what's funny is like this is why having guns in America doesn't make any sense anymore.

[Alex Albrecht]

Because of fast running around.

[Kevin Rose]

Like 20 years ago I'd have been like, yeah, we maybe needed protection. Yeah, it's like drones just go the spray bullets.

[Alex Albrecht]

People think that like a militia is going to rise up against the United States governments when Anderall exists.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Albrecht]

Like 150 people on like a ranch

[Kevin Rose]

through walls and shit. Yeah, like it's not. You're not gonna do it. Maybe 20 years.

[Alex Albrecht]

Literally open to the thing and pull out one little rocket and just go ping.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. It's horrible, but it's true.

[Alex Albrecht]

I know, it's horrible. Anyway, okay, why don't you watch this video? Let's watch the video. Here we go. Of the robot running at a half marathon.

[Kevin Rose]

Pitting Chinese human.

[Alex Albrecht]

Okay, that's a slow one. I could run that. It was the machines making huge strides.

[Kevin Rose]

Look at that guy. Whoa.

[Alex Albrecht]

The red one is the one that lightning finishing the 13 miles in just 15:26.

[Kevin Rose]

Wow. Let him go. 7.

[Alex Albrecht]

Built by smartphone maker Honor which swept the top three spots with their bots. I mean, at the end of the day, it's one of those things where you go like, this is. This is the type of stuff that starts that. That gets me to go like, oh yeah, we are definitely gonna have robots that are gonna help out in like emergency situations.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, 100%.

[Alex Albrecht]

Like earthquake, rubble clearing.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, you won't need firefighters anymore.

[Alex Albrecht]

Dude. If you get a robot firefighter who into the fire and spray from within. Like that's. And by the way, that's good. Like I love firefighters and I want them to exist, but like stay outside the fire. Let the robots go in to the fire and clear the house.

[Kevin Rose]

By the way, when you say stay outside of the fire.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, they're not.

[Kevin Rose]

They're not. That means their jobs won't exist.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, no, I mean like stand outside the house blowing the fire with the hose. Let the robots go into the fire. You see what I'm saying?

[Kevin Rose]

Why can't the robots hold those outside of the house?

[Alex Albrecht]

Because I like firemen. I know you And I want them to exist. They've been a child.

[Kevin Rose]

Your wall calendars pretty much. Exactly.

[Alex Albrecht]

I always wanted to be a fireman. Gym fireman. Oh, God, that'd be amazing.

[Kevin Rose]

Robot.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Sexy firefighter. And it's just robots.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

With, like, no paint on the top.

[Kevin Rose]

This is gonna happen.

[Alex Albrecht]

This is gonna happen. It's gonna happen. We're gonna idolize him.

[Kevin Rose]

I did already, dude.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's crazy because, again, it's also like, you know, we talk about, like, the Boston Dynamics and stuff and all this stuff. The reason why? Cause I was always like, why are we making humanoid robots? Like, I don't understand, like, make a robot that does the job better than a guy standing on two feet. You know what I mean? And that's why, like, the robot dogs that Boston Engineering was doing, I was like, that makes sense to me. But now I get it, because it's like the world that we exist in was designed for people who are bipedal.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

They have two PEDs. I understand. Yeah. And they have to use both of the peds.

[Kevin Rose]

Right. To get around, do their things. Listen, here's. Here's the thing that people aren't talking about.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, what are not people not talking about?

[Kevin Rose]

When their fingers.

[Alex Albrecht]

The moment they can softly touch.

[Kevin Rose]

No, they can. A doorknob. I have seen that. They can now like, pick up, like little. Like little tiny things like needles and shit.

[Alex Albrecht]

I was assuming you meant for sexual gratification.

[Kevin Rose]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Alex Albrecht]

The moment their fingers.

[Kevin Rose]

No, listen, listen. Are small enough. Your fistening. Okay, you guys, the champagne is going straight to your heads. When they can do this. Now imagine this.

[Alex Albrecht]

I am.

[Kevin Rose]

You've got your robot. You spent two grand on it. This is five years from now. Okay. You went to Costco. Reasonable as you do.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, my God, they're so selling robots at Costco.

[Kevin Rose]

100%.

[Alex Albrecht]

Holy shit.

[Kevin Rose]

And you're buying yours there.

[Alex Albrecht]

Hell yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

So watch this.

[Alex Albrecht]

Kirkland brand.

[Kevin Rose]

Bookmark this. He's gonna have a Kirkland robot. Hell yeah. Okay, so you're Kirkland robot.

[Alex Albrecht]

Okay.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay. You're sitting there, you're chilling, you're doing your watchmaking, ye know. And you don't have anything on your calendar.

[Alex Albrecht]

Nope.

[Kevin Rose]

And you're like, hey, I'd like something to eat for dinner tonight. Okay.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes.

[Kevin Rose]

Now guess what? It's not just any chef. It's three Michelin star trained AI chef that has got the ingredients for you and makes you a three Michelin star dinner. And you don't have to do dick. All because your calendar is Clear. And you just want to work on watches.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, I love this future we're talking about. I mean, you're not wrong. Like, that is the. That is the promise is to be like, well, wait a minute, why don't I. Rather than going out to dinner. Yeah, it's all the same shit.

[Kevin Rose]

It's all the same shit.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Or go to the farmer's market. Get in your waymo.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes.

[Alex Albrecht]

Get in your robo taxi. Come back.

[Kevin Rose]

It's gonna get in the robo taxi for you, by the way.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, that's what I mean.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

You get in the robo taxi or

[Kevin Rose]

Waymo the robot will.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kevin Rose]

Then why are you saying you the robot?

[Alex Albrecht]

I'm saying get the fuck out of the house. Go to the farmer's market, get me some stuff, come back.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Alex Albrecht]

While I'm fixing this goddamn watch. Cause my calendar is full, by the way. It just says, watch.

[Kevin Rose]

You're gonna go to the farmer's market. The robot will fix the watch by the time you get back.

[Alex Albrecht]

I know, I'm not gonna let him. It's gonna be like driving a car. I'll be like, I like the analogness of my watchmaking.

[Kevin Rose]

We're screwed. This is all coming so fast.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's crazy. It is crazy to think, like. Cause we talked about this fucking years ago. Right. Like the fact that we are the generation that grew up with computers starting to really take off and take over and become part of our day to day life.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

And make things easy and blah.

[Kevin Rose]

Jesus.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. It's champagne, it's bubbly. And now you try a little more of this, we get to. I don't know. I don't know if I need this tiny bit. All right, just a tiny bit. Just a little bit.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay, keep going.

[Alex Albrecht]

And now we are on the advent of artificial intelligence. I mean, like, all right, that's good. It's good. I mean, like the fact that we talk about it all the time. We watched. I watched fucking. Not Terminator. What the fuck was the movie with the Arnold on the Total Recall? They had Johnny Cabs. They literally had Johnny Cabs. Where he got in the car, he's like, where do you want to go? And it's like, dude, I'm using Johnny Cabs. I use them all the time. Yeah, like, that's crazy.

[Kevin Rose]

You know what's crazy, dude, is I watched Star wars the other night with my kids and they were like sitting there flying the. The fighter pipes, you know?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And they're like, I gotta lock, I gotta lock. And it misses. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that doesn't happen anymore.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, like, that's all bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like in the future, it's literally this.

[Alex Albrecht]

Do we have a lock?

[Kevin Rose]

No, no, no, no. It's like they have a lock.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It's shot down like there's nobody. The pods.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a bunch of people on Alderaan looking up like, I don't know. I think we're winning.

[Kevin Rose]

I think we have a lock.

[Alex Albrecht]

Our iPad says we have seven more than them.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, it's so true.

[Kevin Rose]

So true. They're like, oh, damn it. We're down to zero. They have two. Should we survive?

[Alex Albrecht]

All right, manufacture a couple more.

[Kevin Rose]

Let's go. Exactly.

[Alex Albrecht]

Ah, the future of warfare. So bright.

[Kevin Rose]

All right, next story.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah, it's you.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay, next story of the day,

[Alex Albrecht]

Amazon.

[Kevin Rose]

I guess we can kind of combine these two almost. Amazon agrees to invest 25 billion into anthropic.

[Alex Albrecht]

No, this one's down lower, but yes, go ahead.

[Kevin Rose]

Into Anthropic. On top of the 8 billion it is already invested, Anthropic commits to spend 100 billion on AWS over the next 10 years.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, it makes sense, a little

[Kevin Rose]

bit of horse trading money there, but.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Anthropic is like. I mean, of course they're going to use aws. I mean, it's like they have to be everywhere, though. It's true. True, true, true. And maybe we should meld the two now that we're talking about Anthropic. Yeah, because it's. It's. You know, these big companies are just kind of like. But the real question I have is, is there. There is a part of me that feels like this isn't going away. Right. I'm not that person. Like, I get that this is AI. AI. Yeah, I get that this is happening.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes, this is happening.

[Alex Albrecht]

But there is a point at which I go, is it. Is it sustainable?

[Kevin Rose]

In terms of what? Burn.

[Alex Albrecht]

Burn. Yeah, because the burn is fucking ridiculous.

[Kevin Rose]

They said the same thing in 2000 when Amazon was, like, burning through so much capital.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, this is just my. It's not me saying I don't think it's sustainable. I mean, because again, I think this is the future. This is. This is going to be the thing.

[Kevin Rose]

The AI will make it sustainable. Let me explain.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kevin Rose]

Right now, it's kind of. It's a little Bit dumb, but it's getting a lot smarter. So let me back up.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

A year ago.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes.

[Kevin Rose]

When you use ChatGPT, you would choose model extended thinking or not like complex thinking. There was like four options, right?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And you'd be like, oh, I think 01 is the best model for this. We were geeks, we were like okay, 01, whatever, whatever. And you hit go.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And then the query could have been what window of time classifies a Pisces?

[Alex Albrecht]

Right. Okay.

[Kevin Rose]

And you charge, you task an O1 model.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

That burned through a dollar fifty in freaking energy to go figure out that question when you could have given it to the lowest, cheapest, dirt cheap model.

[Alex Albrecht]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, yeah. What we're starting to see now which is going to make AI actually win and efficient, is it naturally understanding when it needs to upgrade its thinking process because the model it's been assigned by default is not good enough. And so it's dynamic kind of. And this is where they get the margin. Right. Because like if you're choosing advanced thinking. Give me the ten page report.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

For or should I buy or lease this car? When you all you need is the like auto model in 30 seconds.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

That's where it gets very expensive. So I think one models have dropped. Like if you take a look at what like even chatgpt4 is what the equivalent would be today versus what it was a year ago.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like it's several orders of magnitude cheaper than it is. Like the prices are coming down and most.

[Alex Albrecht]

And what is the cost? Like what's the actual cost?

[Kevin Rose]

It's training energy, it's training and it's inference. So inference is how quickly can I take in your thing, run it against the pre computed model and spit out the result back to you.

[Alex Albrecht]

Got it.

[Kevin Rose]

And so both of those are computationally intense heavy. One more on the front loaded and the other more in real time. Meaning like it's a lot of front loaded cost to train a model and then once it's trained there's compute cost to actually send model to user.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

These things are just like the vast majority of questions we have in our day to day life. Like last night, yesterday I made this freaking amazing roast that I smoked for eight hours. Ooh, smoked roast. Yeah, I did this amazing roast. It was prime rib.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Fucking great dude.

[Alex Albrecht]

Fucking.

[Kevin Rose]

I went and Claude and I was like, how do I smoke this? You know? And I was like, I don't need the crazy model, but I shouldn't have to think about that. But I was like, just, sonic, give me whatever, you know. And I just wanted the results back quick. It was like, gave me all the great instructions, turns out fantastic. And then I told it cowork to save that into my obsidian. So now I have my best favorite, like, recipe. This is fucking nuts. But anyway, long story short, by the

[Alex Albrecht]

way, AI was killing recipes.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, dude.

[Alex Albrecht]

Like, all the chefs that make, like, recipes and do recipe books like that and shit is done, but. Cause you can just ask.

[Kevin Rose]

Also they help you modify. So I have a lot of family recipes that I have stored. Like, when my dad passed away, I was like, oh, I love my dad's chili. Blah, blah, like, all this stuff that I had. And he thankfully had them printed out, written out, and I. Thankfully, they survived the fire because I digitized them. Thank the heavens for those. Because, like, those are just so, you know, you eat something that your daddy used to make you in his past. It's a big deal.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

But there are certainly new alternatives and, like, healthier versions of the things that we used to do that are now available.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

But also, my dad was making these big pots of chili and I'm like, hey, cut this in a third for me and swap it out with this type of thing. And so I can make modifications in real time based on that, which is kind of fun.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's so cool. So you don't have to figure that out yourself.

[Kevin Rose]

No, it just goes. Does it? Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's so cool.

[Kevin Rose]

What are you talking about?

[Alex Albrecht]

What do we want?

[Kevin Rose]

What's our story? What's our story?

[Alex Albrecht]

You started it. It was Amazon.

[Kevin Rose]

Anthropic. Anthropic. So Claude is crushing it right now.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the other story we wanted to weave in was this whole concept that came up, it's probably about a week ago with. Or maybe two weeks ago, with Anthropic's new model, Mythos.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Albrecht]

Which they literally. They literally said, we have a new coding model. It is so good that it is finding vulnerabilities in everything. And so we're not going to release it to the public, but we're going to share it with the major companies, the banking industries, the Microsoft aws, Amazon, because essentially saying, you need to use this to shore up your shit, because once this gets released, everything is going to be hackable. And it's crazy to me to think that they got to a point where they went, this is so good at coding. It is going to. And then that starts to make me Go. We thought that cryptography was the like, gold standard of, you know, the third, you know, 256 bit encryption and all this shit. Like, there's a world in which that stuff is not going to be safe.

[Kevin Rose]

So that is all gonna break with quantum computing. Well, yeah, and they've already moved the timeline up. So Google actually, they did a research report recently where they. They used to think like, oh, we got another decade to figure out how to upgrade our algorithms for quantum. Yeah, now they're like. Actually, it's like five years. And so they have to change all the encryption out too. This is all like year 2000 moment. Remember when like year 2000. Oh, the computer's gonna like when they roll over the date and they won't understand.

[Alex Albrecht]

Double zeros will come.

[Kevin Rose]

You're gonna have to upgrade all of our. They call it quantum resistant algorithms for securing everything, credit cards, you name it.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah. But it's crazy, but the Mythos thing

[Kevin Rose]

is like, so do you know OpenBSD?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yes.

[Kevin Rose]

So there's a variant of BSD, which is a Unix operating system that is. Everyone has always said for the longest time, it is the most secure. It's been top two most secure operating systems of all.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It's bare bones is.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

But if you need to run like credit card processing, like banks, like ATMs, like, use OpenBSC because like, nobody breaks that.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It battle tested.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And on the front page of their website, they used to have this ticker where it was like, no exploits found. And they have the number of years. Yeah, it was like 12 years. Like, it was like.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like they audited the out of this code.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Mythos found like some exploits in it.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Kevin Rose]

And that's like the best of the best.

[Alex Albrecht]

Fucking hell, dude. That is. It's not scary because I know that's coming. That's the whole point. It's just they're going to get better and better and better, but it also is just like, hell, dude. Like, this is coming and it's going to be fast as boy.

[Kevin Rose]

I don't know what that means, but yes, I'm kind of with you.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, it's just gonna be like. Well, you had said on the call that like.

[Kevin Rose]

But you said like 60%.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'm fast as fuck, boy. Yeah, you kind of not fuckboy.

[Kevin Rose]

You kind of put them together fast as fuck. Yeah, there, boy. Okay, There we go. There was the comma was looking at.

[Alex Albrecht]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. But you had even said that like last month or this month that the submissions to the Apple App store was up 60%.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. Something like 60% in. And it's because everyone's coding their own apps.

[Alex Albrecht]

I know I have one that I'm like waiting on coding just cause I'm lazy.

[Kevin Rose]

It's beautiful in that we're seeing creativity blossom in a way that we haven't. Because everyone with an idea, well, sadly, all those fuckers that would hit you up and be like, dude, I got an app idea.

[Alex Albrecht]

I know now they're releasing it and you're like, God damn, these are really good ideas.

[Kevin Rose]

They're bad.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I know Apple's. How does Apple gonna do that? Because they can't.

[Kevin Rose]

They're hitting bottlenecks right now. Wow. Yeah. So they're having a hard time reviewing all the incoming and a lot of stuff is skipping through. That is slop. That's the last thing we want is like, oh, I found this great app to track my whatever. And then two weeks later one is either hacked or broken or you know. But the good news is that AI quote unquote slop, which is something that we were calling it six months ago, in six months from now, it's just going to be coding.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Because it won't be a slop. It'll just be high quality code written by prompting.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. And it's interesting because like that, that it's. It's also happening in music because like what's it called, like Dizzo or Dizzer? Deezer. Deezer was announced that 44 of all the music uploaded to their services, AI. That to me is like. It's just, it just sucks, man. It's like, yeah, it's cool. But like to. I feel like that's one of those things that's like, I don't want to listen to AI music. Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

But at the same time though, in some sense when this saturates and then we all realize that we're listening to AI everything. Right? Like, yeah, oh, that Instagram video is an AI, you know, podcast or.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, have you heard about the AI crying?

[Kevin Rose]

The.

[Alex Albrecht]

The sympathy Shopify people?

[Kevin Rose]

No.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh my God. There's this whole trend of these AI generated sympathy Shopify accounts. So there was one that was like a dad who was like, I'm a finance dad. And he was like crying and talking and he was like. And I just love to make stools or like clocks. I can't remember what it was, but it was basically like he was, he was a woodworker, but he was crying about the fact that people were like not taking. Were like making fun of him.

[Kevin Rose]

Champagne?

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, it's here.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, thank you.

[Alex Albrecht]

That people were like making fun of him online for woodworking and then he had a Shopify account and it doesn't fucking exist.

[Kevin Rose]

People support him and people were buying

[Alex Albrecht]

his fucking bullshit shit. And there was this goth girl that made watches that were like goth watches. And they're all just Chinese fucking lame ass watches. But they had this thing of her being like, people were making fun of me because I was really into watches. And they were like, she's supportive. Yeah, she's fucking 150,000 followers.

[Kevin Rose]

What she look like?

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, you'd probably dig her, But she's AI. Yeah. It's literally this whole thing. It's like they make these AI avatars that are crying about being made fun of for a hobby and then they're selling the product and people feel bad, so they buy the fucking cheap ass product and they make tens of thousands of these fucking accounts. Dude, we're so crazy. We're cooked.

[Kevin Rose]

Well, I mean, here's the thing that I will say back to the AI music thing. The one thing that's never going to be cooked is in real life experiences.

[Alex Albrecht]

100.

[Kevin Rose]

And I, I think what this is going to do is people will start to say, hey, but have you seen them in real life?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

You know, and it's going to actually drive value. Like ticket sales might actually be way more expensive to go see it in life then because you'll, you'll appreciate that and you'll be like, wow. Like, if you think about, I don't know, for me to see an amazing artist, like a real artist. I went and saw Trent Reznor perform about three months ago.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, how was it?

[Kevin Rose]

It was amazing. And so it was his last show. And Satish, thank you very much for the pliny. He invited me to go along with him. He's like, dude. Cause we're both 90 nails fans. And he's like, dude, let's go. And we both know Trent. Like, we got to know him because he was on Dig Dialogue back in the. Yeah. And Trent, thank you for coming on and answering our questions on dig dialogue 20 plus years ago. But Trent is such a creative, brilliant person. And I went to see his show and we were sitting there and just. That Experience was one of the top five concerts I've been to my life. And he just did Coachella.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And I don't know if you saw the press MAU did you see the press from Reznor's show in Coachella? So nobody like, you gotta imagine Coachella is like much younger kids.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And so nine shields. Who's this? Right?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

He did a freaking set in Coachella that some. There were multiple news outlets that said this might be one of the like top five sets ever in Coachella because he reinvented himself and now he's got like this whole new sound.

[Alex Albrecht]

Really?

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, dude, hold on, let me play this for you. Can we show 30 second clips of stuff? Right?

[Alex Albrecht]

It. Sure.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

Talk about it.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay. So basically what I have to talk about it.

[Alex Albrecht]

Fair use. Context.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, fair use. Yeah, yeah. So do watch, watch the intro of this. This is Coachella. Watch how he's changed his sound though, to like be like way cooler and more modern. That's his wife.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh,

[Kevin Rose]

watch this. So his wife had a band called Something Angels prior. And first of all, I met her in real life. He married well that way. Watch this. Look at that crowd. There's Trent. Oh, wow. Look at that stage.

[Alex Albrecht]

Dude.

[Kevin Rose]

Crazy dude. How amazing is that, dude? So it's so funny. I'll show a little inside baseball. But like, so I, I, I went, went to backstage to hang with him for a brief moment and I hadn't seen him in a while. I was like, dude, what do you think? AI, like of these music tools, you know?

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

And, and he's like, he's like, yeah, I'm playing around with that stuff. Like, I'm just curious, you know, he was like, definitely open to it. And I will say the one thing about Trent is that he was one of the very first people to open source and create a Creative Commons album of his artwork. Oh, of his music.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Made a whole album that was Creative Commons, like when it wasn't cool to do that or no one knew what it was. So he's very much like an engineer on the forefront of this stuff. Just fascinating stuff. But anyway, that was, that was really cool. I'm a fanboy. Clearly the whole thing happening in music is because it's taking existing music, replicating it.

[Alex Albrecht]

A lot of musicians are like, well, it.

[Kevin Rose]

Let's break all the rules. Let's make something that has not been done. Yeah.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah. Fans, like using like.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, like microtones.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. There's that weird band that did that thing with like the multiple frets or like different frets or something. I can't remember what it's called. These guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

What is that?

[Alex Albrecht]

They Have. They're literally like doing these like music that you wouldn't. And Jean the Poutrine.

[Kevin Rose]

They're from Montreal. Yeah, it's Math Rock. Yeah, Math rock.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah. It's like literally they're doing like. I mean, it's almost like. What's that guy?

[Kevin Rose]

The.

[Alex Albrecht]

The like kid. No, no, no, no. He's like a kid. That Kid Rock. He's like Kid Rock. He's really good at music. No, I can't remember what the fuck is the guy's name. Justin Bieber or something like that. But he's this kid. He's like this like mad scientist guy. And he basically is like. Like, he's like in that mindset of like every. I can make any note make sense in the song. Oh, and he does some of the stuff he does. Jonathan Coulter, something called.

[Kevin Rose]

Dude, have you met these. Have you seen these guys that you can play any note?

[Alex Albrecht]

Jacob Collier. That's it.

[Kevin Rose]

Have you seen these people that you play any note, they can just tell you what it is?

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

It's crazy.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Like any instrument. They're like, that's F sharp.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah, like.

[Kevin Rose]

Like it's crazy how they can do that. Savants. It's insane.

[Alex Albrecht]

All right. Oh, I love it. Okay. All right, you know what? Let's do this story.

[Kevin Rose]

We covered a lot.

[Alex Albrecht]

Three sentenced in unbelievable bear attack insurance scam.

[Kevin Rose]

Before you do that, I just want you to know that Alex's next story that you skipped by was. Scientists discovered a game changing way to treat high cholesterol.

[Alex Albrecht]

Yeah.

[Kevin Rose]

Who the fuck picks that story?

[Alex Albrecht]

A guy who has high cholesterol. It's game changing.

[Kevin Rose]

I just love it. Like, you were like, I love that. So what happens is the hour before we do the show, Alex sits down on his computer. He's like, what stories would be good today?

[Alex Albrecht]

This is interesting.

[Kevin Rose]

And part of you was like, high cholesterol.

[Alex Albrecht]

We should talk about. I'd like to add science, technology and funny.

[Kevin Rose]

There's nothing funny.

[Alex Albrecht]

I mean, that's the science part. It's science.

[Kevin Rose]

Heart diseases. No serious. This is a serious matter.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's no serious matter. We all agree, Kevin.

[Kevin Rose]

It's no serious matter. Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Alex Albrecht]

All right. So this guy dressed as a bear. So this couple. Essentially what happened was. Let's start from the beginning.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes, please.

[Alex Albrecht]

Outside of Lake Arrowhead, California, there were a group of people that filed an insurance claim on their. Their Rolls Royce Ghost sedan that had been mauled by a bear. There was grainy video footage, ring camera of a bear entering the Sedan and then dreading the using the door and then shredding the inside. It was shredding the inside of the sedan. Now there was something suspicious about the video.

[Kevin Rose]

First of all, Rolls Royces are not cheap.

[Alex Albrecht]

$400,000 car.

[Kevin Rose]

Okay?

[Alex Albrecht]

There was something a little bit suspicious about the video. There was just something that didn't feel right. So the insurance company sent the video to a nature expert, a naturist, and said, we feel like there's something weird about this video. And they studied it and came back and said, that's just a guy in a bear suit. So they. So they went and searched the house and they found a bear suit and two metal barbecue shredders.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh my God.

[Alex Albrecht]

That they used to deface their own Rolls Royce.

[Kevin Rose]

Please tell me these people are going to jail.

[Alex Albrecht]

They're all in jail right now. Oh, God.

[Kevin Rose]

This is the type of douchey shit where you're like, dude, if you can afford a $400,000 vehicle.

[Alex Albrecht]

Well, I think what happened was they probably had a loan for a $400,000 vehicle and they couldn't afford it.

[Kevin Rose]

If you get a loan, if you get a loan, you're doing okay.

[Alex Albrecht]

So one of them, a 39 year old lady, is sentenced to 180 days in jail and $55,000 in restitution. Another 26 year old, 118 days in jail and 52 and another and a 32 year old 180 days in jail. It is crazy to me that this.

[Kevin Rose]

Do you have a video?

[Alex Albrecht]

No. Is there a video? Oh my God, there's a video.

[Kevin Rose]

For the record.

[Alex Albrecht]

What? Oh, no, that's not the video. Oh my God. 20 years old now.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, that's good.

[Alex Albrecht]

This is so great. This is such a great one. Yeah, AI could, AI could do that.

[Kevin Rose]

By the way, just so people know, I did not fake the raccoon toss. I did with the fucking.

[Alex Albrecht]

That was so long ago, you can't see it. Oh my God. I just love the audacity to be like. And like, think about like drinking and being like, fuck, man, I've got this albatross of a $400,000 car. Like, what am I gonna do? Like, it'd be great if like a bear just came and fucking mauled it. I'd be like, wait a minute, look

[Kevin Rose]

at that bear suit though.

[Alex Albrecht]

It's the worst bear suit. I don't understand the shirt.

[Kevin Rose]

I don't understand the shirt.

[Alex Albrecht]

And like, maybe that's what gave it away was they were like, well, first off, bears don't wear Clothing.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah. That's crazy. Anyway, I love it.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's all I got.

[Kevin Rose]

All right, I think we're done for the day, guys.

[Alex Albrecht]

This was so fun. It was so good to catch up.

[Kevin Rose]

Good to see you, brother.

[Alex Albrecht]

Hang out, have some good vino veritas, as it were.

[Kevin Rose]

Hi.

[Alex Albrecht]

I gotta go home and finish my watch.

[Kevin Rose]

You're not doing that tonight.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'm not doing that tonight.

[Kevin Rose]

You've already had a couple drinkers.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'll be like, crack. Oh, springs fell out.

[Kevin Rose]

Too bad.

[Alex Albrecht]

I'll buy one.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, here it is.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, is this it?

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, shit. Let's watch it.

[Alex Albrecht]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Kevin Rose]

Hold that. Same sentence.

[Alex Albrecht]

That's the sentence.

[Kevin Rose]

That's the bear in the center.

[Alex Albrecht]

Oh, there it is.

[Kevin Rose]

Oh, yeah. That does not look like a bear.

[Alex Albrecht]

That doesn't look like a bear at all.

[Kevin Rose]

Yeah, that is not a bear.

[Alex Albrecht]

That looks like a dude humping the front of a roller place. All right, well, that is it for this week's edition of Dig Nation. Thank you so much for joining us. And we will see you soon.

[Kevin Rose]

Yes, and go to basic in links to our Twitter account. You can see all the kind of fun, crazy shit we're up to. And we'll be creating there new stuff.

[Alex Albrecht]

See you soon, Peep.