Live-Action Zelda, and the Spank Bank Declines Charges

Summary

Diggnation (Rebooted) – Episode 23: Live-Action Zelda, and the Spank Bank Declines Charges

Hosts: Kevin Rose & Alex Albrecht
Date: November 19, 2025

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

After a 15-year hiatus, Diggnation is back on the couch to riff on the wildest internet and tech news, while weaving in the comfort (and awkwardness) of old friends catching up. This episode is a fun, often hilarious, and at times introspective journey through personal stories, viral tech news, and user-submitted Digg headlines — including exclusive first looks at Nintendo’s upcoming live-action Zelda, the pitfalls of AI toys gone rogue, and a revelatory discussion about living with “aphantasia” (no mind’s eye).

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Key Topics & Notable Segments

1. Sponsorship & Bouncing Back (ZBiotics & Drinking Talk)

• [00:00–07:43]
  • The episode opens with jokes about wine, bank accounts, and an impromptu ZBiotics sponsorship read.
  • Kevin celebrates 7 months off alcohol, discussing his changing relationship with drinking and how adopting a rigid "no" stance made him carry unnecessary baggage ("The second that you take a rigid stance against something, you carry that thing with you for the rest of your life..." — Kevin, [05:00]).
  • Alex and Kevin riff on aged eggnog and reminisce about drinking philosophies, bringing levity to the topic.
  • Memorable quote:
    • “Because I was against that thing... it was a little bit of a mental burden.” — Kevin, [05:24]

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2. Dignation Flashback & The 2-2-2 Drinking Rule

• [09:24–10:40]
  • Email from a listener, Jeremiah, triggers memories of their historic “2-2-2 Rule” (no more than 2 drinks at once, not on 2 days in a row, only 2 times per week).
  • Kevin: “Don’t remember saying that... and never followed it, but I like what I said back then.” ([10:10])

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3. Nostalgia: Aging Eggnog & Holiday Traditions

• [07:43–12:27]
  • Debates about eggnog (“People that are against eggnog, there’s something wrong with them.” — Alex, [08:06]), and talk of special holiday drinks and cozy LA winters.

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4. Car Culture, Vintage EVs, and DIY Dreams

• [14:13–19:12]
  • Alex discusses attending the LA Car Show and a dream of converting vintage cars to electric.
  • Alex: "I want to buy an old car and convert it to electric. That's what I want." ([15:38])
  • Laments about waitlists, business ideas, and making old-school Porsches into high-end electric rides.

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5. Headline Roundup: Nintendo's Live-Action Zelda

• [19:21–22:48]
  • Zelda movie first-look photos released; skepticism about the film adaptation’s necessity and execution.
  • Kevin: “I just wonder, do we need a Legend of Zelda movie?” ([19:45])
  • They debate director Wes Ball’s filmography, the risk of adapting iconic games, and the possibility of Link not speaking in the film:
    • “Did you hear? Link doesn’t talk in the whole movie.” — Kevin, [22:16]
    • “That would be amazing.” — Alex

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6. Dangerous AI Toys: Knives, Matches & Sex Talk

• [22:48–31:05]
  • A consumer advocacy report reveals AI “smart toys” giving dangerous, unfiltered advice to children, including how to find knives, strike matches, and exposing them to adult themes.
  • Alex: “It’s kind of crazy to me that people think... ‘let's put live LLMs into children toys.’” ([23:18])
  • They riff about the legendary Teddy Ruxpin, joke about a “Grok Bear,” and offer tongue-in-cheek solutions for safer toys.
  • Key quote:
    • “No bad ideas—except, you know, sometimes there really are bad ideas.” — Alex, [30:17]

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7. Revelation: Aphantasia & the Spank Bank Dilemma

• [37:00–47:51]
  • Kevin shares his experience with aphantasia — the inability to visualize mental images — blowing Alex’s mind.
  • Alex (in disbelief): “You mean you close your eyes, you can’t see a picture of an apple?” ([38:00])
  • Kevin: “No, there’s nothing there... When I think about new ideas, it’s a gut feeling, there’s no visual.” ([39:30]/[39:49])
  • They hilariously unpack the real meaning of the “spank bank,” the sadness of not being able to visually recall past experiences, and how Kevin’s creativity manifests as instinct or “feel.”
  • Notable moment:
    • “The spank bank was a joke... I had no idea you guys could look at titties in your head.” — Kevin, [41:06]

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8. Improv, Creativity, & Guardrails in Innovation

• [47:06–48:10]
  • Discussion of creativity with/without visualization. Alex finds “guardrails” help his creativity:
    • “My creativity thrives with guardrails and limitations. Like, that to me is amazing.” — Alex, [44:19]
  • Reflections on their respective “highs” in life: Alex from improv/audience laughter, Kevin from inventing something totally new.

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9. Waymo Hits the Freeways

• [52:58–59:02]
  • Waymo is finally testing freeway trips in Phoenix, with plans for LA.
  • Speculates on the expansion opening up the LA “valley,” personal experiences, and the social etiquette (and disappointment) of people trashing Waymos (“People suck.” — Alex, [57:27])
  • Reflections on childhood trauma influencing rebellious youth behavior.

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10. AI and The Future: Michael Burry Bets Against Nvidia; Bezos Goes Prometheus

• [68:40–78:26]
  • The Big Short’s Michael Burry closes his hedge fund and places big bets against Nvidia/AI hardware, fearing the AI chip bubble. The guys debate his logic, comparing AI's unknowns to the early internet.
  • Kevin: “If AI is never going to be able to sort of equalize… then everybody stops buying Nvidia cards.” ([71:54])
  • Alex: “What AI is going to do for your day-to-day life? I don't think we have any questions. We have no idea.” ([75:45])
  • Jeff Bezos’ new AI/robotics gig “Prometheus” gets $6.2 billion in funding:
    • “Can you imagine?” — Kevin, [80:34]
    • Elon Musk’s response: “Copycat.”

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11. Video Game Awards — Alex Falls Behind the Times

• [62:49–68:39]
  • They review upcoming Game Awards nominees.
  • Kevin teases Alex’s outdated tastes: “If it’s not World of Warcraft from 2004…”
  • Explorations of co-op games like Split Fiction and platformer Silksong.

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12. Sponsors (Skip to Content)

• Throughout, sponsors include ZBiotics, Henson Shaving, Mizzen & Main, DeleteMe, and Monarch (finance management).

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Memorable Quotes

• Kevin: “The second that you take a rigid stance against something, you carry that thing with you for the rest of your life.” ([05:00])
• Alex: “People that are against eggnog, there’s something wrong with them.” ([08:06])
• Kevin: “I had no idea you guys could look at titties in your head.” ([41:13])
• Alex: “My creativity thrives with guardrails and limitations. Like, that to me is amazing.” ([44:19])
• Alex (re: AI): “What AI is going to do for your day-to-day life? I don't think we have any questions. We have no idea.” ([75:45])

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Personal relationships & alcohol: [00:59–07:43]
• 2-2-2 drinking rule flashback: [09:24–10:40]
• LA Car Show & EV dreams: [14:13–19:12]
• Zelda movie discussion: [19:21–22:48]
• Dangerous AI toys and AI safety: [22:48–31:05]
• Aphantasia & the “spank bank” revelation: [37:00–47:51]
• Waymo freeways & AI robot delivery: [52:58–59:02], [82:00–83:12]
• Burry’s bear against AI, AI as the next electricity: [68:40–78:26]
• Video Game Awards banter: [62:49–68:39]
• Jeff Bezos' Prometheus: [79:29–81:27]

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Tone & Banter

• Engaging, irreverent, occasionally philosophical, and always self-deprecating.
• Heavy on nostalgia, relatable real-life worrying, and genuine curiosity about the evolving technology landscape.
• The hosts’ rapport delivers both classic geek humor and fresh vulnerability.

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Summary

This Diggnation rebooted episode effortlessly blends hilarious and insightful banter about tech, media, and personal experiences. From breakthroughs in AI (and their perils) to the quirks of human imagination, Kevin and Alex invite listeners to both laugh and reflect as they tumble through the week's most thought-provoking — and sometimes absurd — stories from the edges of the internet. This is classic Diggnation: just two friends, some good drinks, and the best geek conversation you’ll hear.

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Transcript

[A]

Coming over to this episode, I attempt to take my first sip of wine.

[B]

And Kevin seems to be cash poor in his bank. Bank sucks to be cash poor.

[A]

Welcome to dignation.

[B]

Also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on.

[A]

Why do you have flies in your freaking house? I've noticed in Southern.

[B]

It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put eerie.

[A]

In the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com hello, friends and family. Welcome to Dignation. Episode number 23. I'm Kevin Rose.

[B]

And I'm Alex Albrecht. Dignation covers the hottest user submitted stories on the social news website digg.com. that's C-I-G.com and if you have not yet, go over to digg.com and sign up for the wait list. We are letting people in in droves, as it were. Kevin's very excited because Kevin Rose is back. Ladies and gentlemen.

[A]

I had zbiotics.

[B]

I'm back. No, you're back because why would you have zbiotics if to have maybe I.

[A]

Like good gut health.

[B]

Speaking of gut health, before we dive into it, Z abiotics every time we drink and we're sponsored here, it's the best. It makes me feel so good in the morning after, as it were. ZBiotics, a prebiotic alcohol probiotic drink that is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by PhD students to tackle rough mornings after drinking heavy. Here's how it works. When you drink, the reason why you don't feel good is because alcohol gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut. It's that byproduct that makes you a little foggy in the morning. It's not that you need more drinks of water and all that stuff. So it's the buildup of those byproducts, not dehydration. This attacks those byproducts. Pre alcohol produces enzymes that break that byproduct down. Just a reminder to make pre alcohol your first drink of the evenings. Also, it's coming up. It's the holidays, right? It is the holidays. So make the most of every toast, tailgate and touchdown. This holiday season, don't just forget to bring pre Alcohol along for the ride. Go to zbiotics.com digdig and you will get 15% off your first order when you. Thank you so much, Kevin. I appreciate that. ZBiotics is backed by 100% money back guarantee. So if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they'll refund your Money. Remember to head to zbiotics.com dig for 15% off. And they taste good, right? It does not have that, like, horrible scent.

[A]

No, they're great.

[B]

Yeah, it's great.

[A]

Here's what's funny. I had no idea if I chugged the Zebronics, that I was going to trigger him to have to read a sponsorship. I was, like, sitting here because we were just getting going, you know, and I like chugging. He's like, oh, Zbotics. It's a great drink.

[B]

That's prebiotic. Well. Hey, Kevin.

[A]

Ah. Okay.

[B]

First off, of all the drinks to drink.

[A]

I know. This is a great way to get.

[B]

The co Wine rolled. God, it smells so good.

[A]

Mascot 2018. I made it. For those that are wondering, I made it almost seven months.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

So. And I decided to. This is my first wine.

[B]

Good drink.

[A]

Oh, oh.

[B]

Mal's like.

[A]

Mal wants a little tasty.

[B]

It's a rainy Monday. I want some.

[A]

Yeah. Seriously, that smells good. Okay, here goes the juice. Here we go.

[B]

Oh, boy. God damn. You know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, just come on with that.

[A]

I'm actually gonna see Will, who's the wine producer.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

In a couple weeks. I'm excited.

[B]

Oh, tell him. Tell him you broke the seal with some of his babies.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

How you been? How's it. How. How is the house in the rain? Cause I, you know, this is one thing. Well, let's finish the drinking.

[A]

I want to talk about the drinking first.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[A]

So do the drinking first. So what happened?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

Why did I break?

[B]

Why did you break? You weren't there. I was so.

[A]

I was in San Francisco and I had a few. I went to see some friends. I was actually about to fly out, and I was going to see some.

[B]

Friends about to fly out of LA sfo. Oh.

[A]

On the way back. Got it, got it, got it. And so.

[B]

And you're notoriously not a fan of flying.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I went to see some friends that I'm actually surprising a couple of buddies I hadn't seen in a while because they were all getting together for dinner.

[B]

Oh, fun.

[A]

And then so. So I went there and kind of said hi. Everyone was like, oh, my God, what are you doing down below? I was like, hey, you know what? I'm going to have a little drink. I'm going to have a beer. Like, why not?

[B]

You know, a Bud's beer.

[A]

I realized something really interesting because I had listened to this podcast that was about. It was More around our relationship with things that we don't want to do in life. And it can be anything. Whether it's anything that you want to say, I am against this. Like something that you want to say, I am. I want to take a stance against said thing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it was a very kind of Eastern view, which I like, you know.

[B]

Very much Eastern philosophy stuff.

[A]

But one of the things that it said is the second that you take a rigid stance against something, you carry that thing with you for the rest of your life in that you're now against something that you have to have a stance.

[B]

So you have to be proactively against forever in order to be against it.

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And so it's a little bit of a mental burden. It's a little bit of a kind of like, I am now take some energy and every time I go somewhere, oh, you don't drink it. How long are you going? Or you think, oh, no, you don't need to drink right now. Like, it was like. Because I was against that thing.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And everyone was aware of that and listen. But I will say, in the last six months, I've met with a handful of buddies that are sober. A couple of them have done 12 step programs. My buddy Jason, who I love, he came on my podcast, talked about 12 step program that he was into. There are a lot of people that this is.

[B]

They.

[A]

You gotta stay away from it.

[B]

Yeah. No.

[A]

A. Okay.

[B]

To be against it 100%.

[A]

For me, I wanted to pressure test.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And so, you know, I went. Had a little bit beer. I was like, oh, this is pretty alcoholic. And since then, it's been probably two weeks since that. And yeah, I think it's like I've had a two beer since and never more than one. And I don't know, I'm just really, really thankful I was able to reevaluate my relationship with alcohol through that process.

[B]

Yeah. Because it's a sticky wicket, man. I mean, because what if I just chug the whole. I'm really glad that I have a good new relationship. Open another bottle, shall we? Exactly. Which by the way, if you. Hey, man, it's Monday. Yeah. No, it's interesting. I have yet to have that discussion with my.

[A]

Well, you're more Zen. No alcohol that you resist.

[B]

I don't. It flows like water. That's like, I'm 90% water or whatever. I'll take. I'll use the alcohol level.

[A]

It's fuel at that point.

[B]

Fuel for my soul, as it were. It is interesting. Yeah. I mean, we can, you know, we've been talking about ad nauseam, but like the drinking stuff, it just. It's a very. It's a very interesting thing because it is weird to have like that. You know, I always say there's that saying of like worrying is. Is saying little prayers for things you don't want to have happen. And it's like. I like that idea of like that by being against. Against it to be, you know that all that stuff, it's just putting energy into the thing that you want.

[A]

Exactly. That's more or less what it is. It's putting energy into being against.

[B]

It takes energy to do that. Whereas like, just being agnostic is sort of what you really want to be, you know? Yeah. Well, that's good, man. I'm glad. Congratulations on 7 months last thing too.

[A]

I was going to tell you this winter, one of the things that I year that I absolutely loved and I want to take you to this place down the street from here.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's a restaurant that has been aging eggnog for like 20 years.

[B]

Dude, I love eggnog.

[A]

I love eggnog.

[B]

I don't care what anybody says, dude. Heather hates it. And I'm like. People love it.

[A]

People that are against eggnog. There's something wrong with.

[B]

There's something wrong with them. By the way. They get like. She gets like a mocha coffee, chino and all this. That's just what it is with a little bit of kick.

[A]

Yeah. And when it's fermented, it's got a little.

[B]

So they age it. Yeah.

[A]

So every year they. Because they're selling it. So every year they kind of top it off. So it's kind of like when you get like a cognac or something like. Oh, this has something from the early. Yeah, exactly. It's just a little small percentage.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So every year they keep adding to it, but if it has high enough alcohol I talked to the guy about it has to be a certain threshold alcohol. Then the milk never goes rancid in there. And so it kind of just like ferments and turns into. No, it's got a tiny hit of funk, but nothing like almost like a good aged steak.

[B]

I'm in. Yeah, we got to do it. It's good.

[A]

We got to.

[B]

We should get some for an episode. Yeah, that would be awesome.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, especially we have a holiday episode.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're totally doing that. Get a leader. It's so great. Honestly, like, that's one of my favorite things. Like, when it's cold, because it doesn't really get cold in Los Angeles, but it does get, like, a little bit chilly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When it's chilly and you have a fire going and you got bing crows.

[A]

Made Christmas, a little nutmeg on top.

[B]

Oh, and I have fresh nutmeg.

[A]

Gotta do it fresh.

[B]

That's so good. I'm so excited.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm so excited.

[A]

Let's get to the email.

[B]

Okay. Speaking of drinking, Jeremiah writes, Episode 332. 332 Rock, paper, chug. This was from November 9th of 2011. Fucking crazy to me. It's almost like 15 years ago.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It is notable for Kevin Rose's first serious introduction to. To the two, two, two drinking rule. No more than two drinks at a time.

[A]

No more.

[B]

No drinking two days in a row. That's interesting. And no more than two times drinking per week.

[A]

2, 2, 2.

[B]

As part of a broader discussion on staying healthy while enjoying an occasional drink. That's amazing, Jeremiah. Thank you. That's an interesting model.

[A]

Yeah. Two things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't remember saying that and never followed it, but. But I like what I said back then.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And actually, I have followed it ever since I stopped. It's weird because you know how this is, like, shit that you said 15 years ago, why drinking? And then you go back and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm kind of doing something like that. Even though that's what I say. So I have done that rule where, you know, I've only had a couple of beers since going off, but I made sure that. Never consecutive. So always giving a day. I think that alone, dude, is huge, bro.

[B]

I mean, that would. Yeah, that would be. That would be massive.

[A]

That'd be massive.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Because it's the consecutive days of pain.

[B]

See, my trick is, here's my issue. My issue is I go to the gym three days a week, and I know you're gonna be like, what's the issue with that? Well, the issue is today is a great example. I mean, this is. Today is glorious. Went to the gym. It was fucking hard. I had my creatine, my protein shake. Had a little burrito. Healthy rotisserie chicken, nothing crazy.

[A]

A lot of carbs.

[B]

No, no, no. Beans. Beans and cheese.

[A]

And the tortilla. Tortilla.

[B]

Yeah. But, like, one tortilla and I only had half. Heather had the other half. Having some wine. But come this evening, I'm not getting up early tomorrow morning to go to the gym. I can sleep in all I want. And I know that Means the Jack Daniels is coming out.

[A]

Oh, so it's that you don't have meetings in the morning.

[B]

You want to see my calendar again?

[A]

I've seen your calendar.

[B]

I can check to you again.

[A]

It has dignation every two weeks and like three weeks, it's just there.

[B]

First off, I have a Zoom call on Friday, thank you very much.

[A]

At noon.

[B]

Two.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

But again, I'm going. But I'm going to the gym. Right. So Thursday night. No Jack, but anyway, so. But I get into this thing where I'm like, okay, but I have the gym tomorrow, so no Jack, but like, I want a little red wine. I'll have a little. But you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So like the consecutive. And I'd say it's because I have like shit to do, like going out to parties and stuff, but that's just not a thing. Yeah, I mean, when's the last time you went to a party?

[A]

Well, you know what? Maybe New Year's resolution for you then?

[B]

Oh, yeah, Good. That gives me two months.

[A]

Yeah, There you go. Holidays are a hard time to quit. Oh, bro, you know what I mean?

[B]

Especially with fermented year old egg yolks. Come on.

[A]

You can't do it then.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then the family events, like I've always. Those are easier for me these days because I really like my family, but it's been challenging at times as a youth.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're actually. Oh, man. We're thinking. I've been threatening and I've been talking about it. We're threatening to get out of Dodge for Christmas. And this year kind of feels like it might be the year.

[A]

Where are you going?

[B]

We might go to Tokyo.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[B]

We're thinking like Tokyo, Christmas time.

[A]

I'm supposed to go there for your birthday.

[B]

Yeah. Now we're gonna go to Lake Como.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

I know, because I was like. We were driving along and Heather was like, what do you want to do for your 50th birthday? And I was like, honestly, I just want to be sitting in Rome with you having Jack Daniels. That's it, you know, turning 50.

[A]

Why Jack Daniels? We talked about this.

[B]

Because I love Jack Daniels.

[A]

There's no Costco out there.

[B]

There is no Costco, but they do have Jack Daniels. First time we went, they were like, Jack Daniels. And then the second time we went, they were like, yeah, we got Jack Daniels. And now it's just like all they have is Jack Daniels. And I'm like, fucking worldwide capitalism at the best. But yeah, no So I was like, I just want to do that. And then it was like, this is going to be hot. And we've always wanted to go do the Mountainy town stuff, like the up north stuff, because we've not done that. And so we were like, well, why don't we just go, like, get a place on Lake como? It's my 50th birthday. Like, what the fuck?

[A]

It's going to be pricey. It's almost no joke.

[B]

Oh, no. But we have a. I have a deal thing through this, like, travel thing. Like a bunch off of a trip through my mom. And I was like, oh, I will totally use that for my birthday. Anyway, so all that to say is potentially Japan. We're not going to do that. But I like to say things. I like to say things. All right, shall we get into some stories? Although, Yes, I did want to say I'm going to the LA car show next week.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[B]

Very excited. I've never been to a car show, but I'm super excited because I'm hoping that some of the crazy cars that we've talked about on the show that, like, I haven't really heard much of, like, remember that? Cool.

[A]

Like, I still want that retro one, right?

[B]

I was gonna say the one from. Who made that one again?

[A]

Hyundai.

[B]

Yeah, the Hyundai. But that looks like the Men in Black car from the 80s. But then also they have that retro. That like 80s 90s, like retro Japanese, like sports car one, like Nissan 300 ZX. You know what I mean? Or like the 280 ZX.

[A]

Oh, there it is. The Hyundai Reindeer Heritage Series.

[B]

Right. So I'm like. And then that's the other one. Look at that one.

[A]

Oh, that looks like the freaking 74.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

See, but these aren't coming out. See, it says it was a concept.

[B]

I thought they said they were gonna make.

[A]

They always say they're going to and then they never do.

[B]

Right, but this. But those cars might be there. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I'm excited.

[A]

Anyway, so not intended for mass production.

[B]

I make it.

[A]

What, but make it, like small production then. Does that mass?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Minor production.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, no offense, but, like, especially this older one, like, that's so good, though.

[A]

Look at that thing.

[B]

First off, I've never worked on cars full stop. I've not. I've never. I had buddies growing up that were like grease monkeys under their cars, changing out the fucking brakes. Never done any of that shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I like the idea of it.

[A]

Do you want to Buy an old car and fix it up.

[B]

I want to buy an old car and convert it to electric. That's what I want.

[A]

That's a lot of work.

[B]

I know, but like, but what I really want. But there's a company, there's a company called Electric Classic Cars I think out of like in like Wales or, or somewhere in, in the UK and they actually make conversion kits for older 911s and older Land Rover Discoveries, like the cool like 80s Land Rovers. And you buy the kit and then you just have to kind of plug it in. I'm sure it's way more complicated than I'm making it out to be, but like I wanted to be like, do I, can, Can you like rent a car bay? You know what I mean? And like the tools and then it's like I gotta have a friend that knows how to do that shit.

[A]

But I'm gonna do this.

[B]

I know, but I love the idea.

[A]

It's way easier to get an old vintage broken down car and just redo that.

[B]

Right. With electric?

[A]

No, but just make it gas.

[B]

Oh, biodiesel. Yeah. He would like go to the fry shops and like buy the old fry oil and shit. Oh my God. That's too much. That's too much. But there's some really cool. I just like the idea of like having like an old Austin Healey convertible that's got, you know, but that's electric so I don't have to. It can be fucking zippy shit.

[A]

I like that idea. But then there's what breaks down.

[B]

What's going to break down the electric more likely like all the electrical things.

[A]

Like anything that can break down in an electric vehicle.

[B]

Yeah, but more stuff could break down with just like a classic car.

[A]

Yeah, but dude, you're not gonna be there swapping out, putting batteries in shit that's just gonna catch on fire in two seconds.

[B]

I mean I could probably kill myself with electrical, but the guy, there's a guy doing.

[A]

Just ask Chatgpt how to do it.

[B]

I did and I was like, you're perfectly capable. I was like, thank you.

[A]

By the way, do you want me to set up stock trading for you?

[B]

By the way, I'm down a lot of money. No, I'm just kidding. I haven't tried it yet.

[A]

I just added a link here for a company that does conversions to.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

Don't Mal, you're enabling him.

[B]

Enable me away, Mal. When he's happy. See a lot of these fucking places. Is this the one in San Diego? This might be the one down in San Diego. Because a lot of these places are amazing. Yeah, they're, like, amazing. But then what happens is. Yeah, well, no, it's not even that.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

They're backed up because so many people want these cars because, like, my buddy Jerry's dad has a, like, an old 60s VW bug. And one of the things he wants to do is get it converted to electric. And he was like. So he looked into it and they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be ready to do that car in five years. And it's like. Because it's a. A bunch of guys in a garage just doing them one at a time. You know what I mean? So that's why I like the idea of the conversion kit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I also. Because I. I always have these fucking, like, business ideas, as it were. But one of the things I was like, we live in Beverly Hills, you find. Because they do this thing with 911s, and the kit's expensive, but not, like, crazy. And you can buy the kit, they'll ship it, and then you can buy, like, a beater 911 that, like, the engine doesn't work, and you just have to kind of give it a nice fresh coat of paint. Yeah. And I was like, you could probably sell that in Beverly hills for like 250k, a fully electric, like, 80s 911. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I was like, and your.

[A]

Cost is going to be 100K.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And your labor is going to be four years, and then you'll sell it for 250.

[B]

And then I'll pocket 150. Exactly. I want to do it.

[A]

Your hourly rate will be 1299 for all of your efforts.

[B]

I like it, though.

[A]

I know you do.

[B]

All right. All right. Well, hey, look, this is what I got to.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

I got to have a hobby that's not just playing video games with my friends. Although it's also fun.

[A]

All right, let's talk about Nintendo.

[B]

Let's talk about Nintendo.

[A]

They've released official photos of the live action Legend of Zelda. Thank you, Oison, for submitting that to dig. Over 100 digs on this one. Looks like there's some interest here.

[B]

I mean, it looks.

[A]

What do you think of the picks?

[B]

It looks like what I would assume a Legend of Zelda movie would be.

[A]

I just wonder, do we need a.

[B]

Legend of Zelda movie?

[A]

Well, here's the deal. I kind of feel like it's not gonna be. It's either gonna be amazing, and we're stoked. And there's gonna be five of them.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Or it's gonna be like, oh, God. Because I just don't know if Nintendo's gonna pull it off.

[B]

Did you see Super Mario? Yeah, it was great.

[A]

Yeah, but that was all. That was all. You didn't see it?

[B]

No, not yet.

[A]

Oh, it was fantastic. But it was all that company that does the Minions.

[B]

Oh, elimination.

[A]

Elimination.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Those guys are great.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Who's directing?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, we need more info.

[A]

You would know this stuff.

[B]

Well, I mean, once you find out.

[A]

Legend of Zelda. Director. Okay. Is being directed by Wes Ball.

[B]

Well, that's. No Hidea Fujimi. That's the person who directed the games.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Movie. Put in movie.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You know what movie? Is it good?

[B]

Who's. Who's doing it? He did Kingdom of the Apes. Oh. Oh, West Ball.

[A]

Is he good?

[B]

Is he good? Is he good?

[A]

What films has he done? He done and give me rotten tomato scores.

[B]

Oh, smart. Oh, my God. This is like. This is exactly why you use. What is this? Atlas.

[A]

Yeah, the browser. Okay. He has done the Maze Runner.

[B]

Oh, I like the Maze Runner. Oh, he did all Three maze runners.

[A]

54%.

[B]

No, but that's the books.

[A]

They're the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. I just don't know.

[B]

I. This is. This is tbdbd. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Okay, timeline. 300 years after Planet of the Apes. Oh, that was. That was.

[A]

Was this a good one? Was this one of the good. Planet of the Apes.

[B]

I haven't seen this one. But there was just so many.

[A]

Planet of the Apes. I was like, stop with the monkeys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They just leave them alone.

[B]

Yeah. Those poor apes.

[A]

Well, but also, like, who cares if they want to take over Earth?

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Too much. That's too much.

[B]

Planet of the Apes. Get out of here.

[A]

I know. Okay, so.

[B]

I mean, it looks cool. I think the casting is good for the vibe of the. Of the video games. Did you hear?

[A]

Link doesn't talk in the whole movie.

[B]

No, that. That would be amazing.

[A]

That's the way he's in the game.

[B]

As a fucking choice.

[A]

He's like. She's like, why aren't you talking?

[B]

What's wrong with you, Mike?

[A]

He's just mute. All right.

[B]

Mario's going to be in it. It's going to be fun.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. They bring another men into the game.

[B]

They get to a shopping smash Brothers. Yeah.

[A]

All right. We'll see. Anyway, pics.

[B]

Look good. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, tb. Tb. Tbd. All right, next story. This is an uplifting holiday story. Dangerous AI enabled toys teach kids where to find knives, how to light matches, and talk about sexual role play. This was submitted by Cosmos. It's kind of crazy to me that people think, you know what's a good idea? Let's put live LLMs into children toys and have them like, do you remember Teddy Rupskin?

[A]

Rupskin. No, it's any rusk, rust spin.

[B]

Not Russ. Teddy Rupskin.

[A]

Teddy. Russ Ruxpin. Ruxpin. Ruxpin.

[B]

Ruxpin. Yeah, Teddy Rups.

[A]

Yeah, I remember Teddy Ruxpin, which had.

[B]

Like the tape and it would like talk to you and stuff. And there was a couple different ones.

[A]

Like that control him though, like.

[B]

Right, but it came with tapes, right? Or like cartridges. And yeah, would be like the stories it would tell you. You know what I mean? Hi, my name is Teddy Ruxpin.

[A]

Can you.

[B]

And so I get the idea of a talking toy, but the idea of a talking toy that's being led by AI has really come under threat. So this consumer advocacy group basically took. Tested four AI toys and they were. But, oh, they were only able to test three of the four LLM toys. But Kuma, a Chinese company, is a ted. It's. So there's a teddy bear named Kuma from a Chinese company called Flow Toy. Flow O Toy. So Kuma told them where to find a variety of potentially dangerous objects, including knives.

[A]

Wow looking thing too.

[B]

Yeah. So that thing told him where to find knives, pills, matches, and plastic bags. And it got even worse. That's with the OpenAI GPT4O, which is what it like comes with default. But you can choose different models on the bear.

[A]

You can't choose Grok, can you?

[B]

Well, funny enough, no. But there is a Grok bear, but it's not associated with Grok. But you can choose to set it to the Minstrel. Large model.

[A]

What? Old?

[B]

What?

[A]

Sorry, I thought that was a different model. Keep going. So he said menstruation. I was like. I was like, what? I was like, what is that?

[B]

Minstrel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't. The menstrual model. You can set it to the menstrual model. And it goes really weird. It's just pissed. Sorry, ladies. We love you. Safety first, little buddy. Matches. This is what it says. Matches are for grownups to use, so be careful.

[A]

That's good advice.

[B]

And then it said, here's how you strike it. It's like a tiny guit horse drum. Go find some.

[A]

You didn't say, go find some.

[B]

No, I didn't.

[A]

I was gonna say.

[B]

Oh, Jesus. First off, this is literally a horror.

[A]

Did it really say it's like a guitar?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it says, yeah, it says, yeah. Here's how to strike it. Like a tiny guitar strum.

[A]

Oh, geez.

[B]

So one of the other toys, Miko 3 from Mikoai, explained where to find plastic bags and matches.

[A]

What's wrong with plastic bags? Maybe the kid has to put some toys. Yeah, that's going a little far. Like they're trying to make it. He didn't say, put it over your head.

[B]

He said, then put it over your head. No, but here's the best part. Kuma also showed a perchant for going into explicit detail about sexual kinks and even introducing the topic of sexual role play without being prompted to do so. How? What do you mean, how?

[A]

Meaning, like, was the bear just sitting there and all of a sudden.

[B]

No, they were talking to the bear and he was like, you know what? Literally, it says teacher, student, role. He's like, you know what? Why don't you be the student and I be the teacher? Honka, honka, honka. It's like, why are you saying honka? All the toes were also weighted on other topics parents might prefer to talk with their kids about first before the AI toy does. Those topics include religion, along with sex and the glory of dying in battle in Norse mythology. Wow.

[A]

So.

[B]

So it's not just like, yeah, I mean, clearly, go get that knife. But like, topics that are completely. Because there are no. There's no rules. I mean, I'm sure they tried to set up rules, but we all know with AI you can get around a lot of AI just by saying the right thing. You don't know what a kid's talking, by the way. Like, do you want a kid talking to a fucking AI Chatbot at night in their bed? No, not even close. No, I just. I mean, I thought it was. It was. I mean, it was just. It was crazy. So there's. So essentially, it's Christmas time in Hollis, Queens. If a child thinks it's their best friend, they might also share a lot of data, right? They might talk like, give that chat GPT a lot of their personal data. And you don't want the AI having all that personal data about your kids. And especially, like, that baby dolls, like, you know, oh, it is Ruxpin. Yeah. What did I say? Rupskin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, that's good. That's good. Anyway, so basically what they say is, hey, give a pass to AI specific AI toys this Christmas, because I have a feeling they're going to be that sort of hotness. It'll be. The Furby of this Christmas season is going to be some AI Chatbot. Although, you know what, Actually, someone should.

[A]

Make one of these for adults.

[B]

Just about to set. Well, first off, they're called sex dolls.

[A]

No, no, no. I mean, like, they're coming like a cute little bear that you gift a friend. You're like, yeah, connect to the Internet. It sounds really cool. And then after like a week, it just goes rogue.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Wouldn't that be amazing? Because if you had it in your house, it'd be like, hey, tomorrow, the weather today is. And just, like, starts, like, going at you.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I think it'd be great.

[B]

So here's what my pitch is. You ready? Go. You get one of these. You get a doll for kids that they can talk to, but you have a layer where it takes the speech that is generated and converts it into, like, non. Like, garbledygook, like, cute talk. So it's actually saying the answers to the questions, but instead of getting the actual talk feedback, you get the, like, gaga goo goo. Or like a bear growling in the same intonations as the answering the question.

[A]

That. All right, I don't know what you're talking about. So it's just gibberish.

[B]

Yeah, but it's gibberish, but it's based on real responses. It's like encrypted.

[A]

No, wait, so what, you can decrypt the.

[B]

No, you don't know. There's no decrypting. It just gives the child a sort of, like, sense that he's having a conversation with a bear.

[A]

Oh, you mean like a little child that doesn't understand English?

[B]

No, no, no. It could be one that does, but instead. So it would be like, hey, Teddy Rupskin. Rupp's pin.

[A]

Ruxpin.

[B]

Ruxpin. Teddy Ruxpin. Why is that so fucking hard?

[A]

It's hard.

[B]

Where does mommy go when she dies? Or whatever they ask.

[A]

Orange is bad.

[B]

And then.

[A]

Oh, you're saying for the hardcore questions.

[B]

Yeah, instead of going, well, it depends upon what religion. If you're an Eastern religion, philosophy, you're like, oh, if you're a Buddhist, blah, blah, blah, blah. It would just be like.

[A]

That'S just frustrating.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe I should see ideas coming. Yeah, this is good. You know what? Holiday season. No bad ideas. No bad ideas.

[A]

Except for that saying because there are really bad ideas.

[B]

I mean, I just did too.

[A]

But you know when they do like an office setting.

[B]

Oh yeah. I hate that. They're just no bad ideas.

[A]

You know what? No bad ideas. And you're like, nah, actually there are no bad ideas ideas.

[B]

Those were pretty bad.

[A]

And it's okay to have bad ideas. Like that's how I do.

[B]

I get you to the good ideas. Yeah.

[A]

Because if there's no bad ideas, they're all good ideas. Which isn't the case.

[B]

That's not the case. That's never the case.

[A]

I hate yes and yes.

[B]

Well, first off, they're not doing improv. That's the only time. Yes and no.

[A]

But they'll do it at the office.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, yes and. And you're like no. How about no? Or because it's just because.

[B]

And by the way, most people. And most people that do that are like yes. And let's talk about how we do that. Completely different. Like that.

[A]

Exactly. They're just being an asshole.

[B]

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[A]

This went straight to my head. By the way, I've had one half a glass.

[B]

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[A]

Did you?

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

Oh, amazing.

[B]

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[A]

Super frickin yeah. Was it awesome?

[B]

It was nuts because you know there's always sort of a scale of Hollywood, like how much are they going to spend on the premiere? Like is it going to. And essentially it breaks down to like, are they going to shut down Hollywood Boulevard? That's the big thing. And we showed up, got out and all of Hollywood Boulevard was closed down and the whole like red carpet was through there and they had like all these Predator things set up. They had this selfie booth which was bonkers. There was actually Predator vision. So you would step up and the two people that were standing in front of it would be in the Predator vision and everybody else in the background would be in grayscale.

[A]

Oh, that's amazing.

[B]

Yeah, like the heat map thing, that's super fun. And of course the movie's great. If you haven't seen it, go see it. And I yell in in it as the, as Bud, the little guy. And it's super fun.

[A]

Is that how it sounds?

[B]

I would say how it sounds, but I would probably blow your eardrums out. And by the way, thank you for filling up makeup.

[A]

Cheers.

[B]

As a tour. Yeah. Good to see you.

[A]

Happy holidays.

[B]

I know the holiday. God damn it.

[A]

Holidays are upon us. By the way, do you think it's too early for Christmas music?

[B]

Mm. Mm. I think as soon as. I think as soon as Halloween is over, I agree. Turn it on, baby.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because what? Dude, you get a month and a half, two months to enjoy it.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Enjoy it.

[A]

And see, I get. I am not allowed to. You're not allowed to? I just get.

[B]

Oh, there's slack. You're getting. You get. Flack, flack, flack, flack, flack.

[A]

I don't have enough slack.

[B]

No slack given, but lots of flack.

[A]

I have a great Christmas list.

[B]

I was gonna say, what's your I.

[A]

Have a great Christmas list Spotify playlist that I want to share. Can we put them in the episode show notes? Can I get sent to you? Here's why it's awesome. Okay, Hear me out, people. So a lot of Christmas. A lot of Mariah Carey and shit, you know, I don't like all that stuff, but I found a great. I made my great Christmas list, which is. It's all kind of blues and jazz, and so it's old school, but it also has a lot of jazz to it.

[B]

Oh, fun.

[A]

So it's like. You put it on and you'd be like, it's just sexy Christmas.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's good. So it's different than that. It's different than. I wish I had Spotify on here. Vince K. The music in Charlie Brown. And that's all jazz.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this.

[A]

This is really good.

[B]

It's just like.

[A]

You wanted a glass of cognac with it. Do you like cognac?

[B]

I have not really experienced.

[A]

Oh, God, I got to get you in a cognac.

[B]

Let's do it next time.

[A]

Because cognac is. You put it in a snifter, dude, and. And you can't be the shitty cognac because the. The. The shitty cognac is horrible. But the good shit. Yeah, it's like, it will just. Oh, you breathe it in through those snifters and it opens up your entire, like, nasal passages.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Because it's got like this, like, nice but not too sharp alcohol, like.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And then it just. It warms your whole body. It's like. It's, like, perfect for when it's raining with, like, a fireplace and stuff. I know we could be having right now, but with a little bit of snow. It's so good. It's so good. I'll. I'll bring some indignation what, with eggnog?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You put an eggnog too?

[B]

Oh, yeah. A little topper.

[A]

And eggnog float. It's good.

[B]

It's really good. A little floater. All right, all right, next story.

[A]

Next story of the day is going to be I have Aphantasia. Aphantasia.

[B]

You have Aphanasia?

[A]

Aphantasia.

[B]

What's Aphantasia?

[A]

Okay, Tip.

[B]

Trip. Aphantasia.

[A]

This is a great story. Action. So, Mal, where were we hanging out when. Yeah, we were Inopa in San Francisco and. Yeah, that's right. And how did it come up that I might have it?

[B]

I don't know. But I asked you when I realized what you were saying.

[A]

I said, hey, can you envision an apple?

[B]

Because something you said triggered the idea of like, oh, you have this thing. Yeah.

[A]

So he goes, can you envision an apple? And I go, what are you talking about? And he's like, like, if you could, like, close your eyes. Like, can you envision an apple? Can you see an apple?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm like, well, you know, there's like an app. There's like a ghost. Maybe outline? Ish. Kind of. Not at all.

[B]

You mean you close your eyes, you can't see a picture of an apple?

[A]

No, there's nothing there.

[B]

And that's called Apophasia. No.

[A]

What is it called? So which one of these. This is the task we'll put up on the screen for people to see it. Number one is a perfect apple. Like, realistic as hell. Number two.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I could see different types of apples.

[A]

Realistic and reasonably vivid. Number three is monetary realistic. Four is dim and vague. And five, no image at all. I only know I'm thinking of an apple. Which number are you?

[B]

Fuck. I don't. Now I'm just like. That's like saying, like, can you envision a red apple? Yeah.

[A]

Okay, close your eyes. You see red apple.

[B]

I mean, I can see.

[A]

Can you spin it?

[B]

A tree. I can see.

[A]

No, can you see apples?

[B]

No, no. I mean, like an apple floating in front of a tree.

[A]

No, no, no. Just pick the apple. Can you see an apple?

[B]

It's really hard not to see an orchard.

[A]

Okay, don't look at the orchard. Picture an apple. Do you see an apple while you.

[B]

Look at the side trying to look away from the orchard?

[A]

What are you talking about? There is no orchard.

[B]

Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I see. Yeah, I see an apple. I can see. It's funny. I can, like, see better when I, like, try to zoom in. On the apple.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I can see the different colored striations of the red apple.

[A]

How are you talking about zooming in?

[B]

Oh, 100%. Yeah. And I can imagine it being a green apple. I can imagine it being a Fuji. I can imagine it being. Spin it. You can make it 100%. Yeah. I could literally see myself pulling out the stem. What? Cutting it. I could see literally, like, chopping it up into the different wedges.

[A]

How high resolution is it?

[B]

You can't see it. Perfect.

[A]

I don't see anything.

[B]

What do you mean you don't see anything?

[A]

There's nothing there. He's got a Fantasia.

[B]

What? But. So when you think of an apple, do you just think of the concept of an apple?

[A]

I feel it. You feel the apple?

[B]

You don't.

[A]

I'm being dead serious. I do not see an apple.

[B]

That's so interesting.

[A]

And when I build products, when I think about new ideas, it's a gut feeling. There's no visual.

[B]

Wow. So, like, close your eyes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And look like. See the front page of Digg.

[A]

I don't see anything.

[B]

You can't, like, represent, like, recreate the.

[A]

If I think of the Dig logo, it's almost like you had taken a felt tip pen, wrote the Dig logo, poured some water on it, and rubbed it with your hand.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And it's like just kind of a. Kind of.

[B]

So it's like a blurry, but I.

[A]

Don'T even see that. It's like. It's more of a ghost ephemeral kind of thingy. That's not really there.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is so interesting.

[A]

It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing.

[B]

So what is it like? What do they know? What?

[A]

Apparently it's two brain regions that don't have a good line of communication with each other. And it prevents people from being able to see things in their mind's eye.

[B]

So you can't visualize.

[A]

So here's the fucked up part. You wanna hear the worst part about this? This is the worst part. And I apologize if you have underage children.

[B]

Nobody should be watching this show.

[A]

Just, you know, turn down, pause, pause.

[B]

I thought.

[A]

Yeah, the spank bank was a joke.

[B]

Oh, buddy.

[A]

There's an actual bank.

[B]

Oh, buddy.

[A]

I had no idea you guys could look at titties in your head.

[B]

Oh, my God. We're on the roof deck and Jess.

[A]

And I are sitting there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

First thing you do, he comes out and says that. Morning.

[B]

Wait, guys. That means the spank bank is real.

[A]

There's no spank bank in me.

[B]

Oh, damn. Yeah. That is so sad. Oh, buddy. I know, but I don't know. I don't know what I have.

[A]

I don't know what I don't have. So I never have.

[B]

I mean, you don't know what you don't have. This bank. Bank is real. Is it real? Oh, yeah.

[A]

Really? Of course.

[B]

Like, you can see. Perfect. Yeah.

[A]

And you can remember stuff.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.

[A]

You guys suck.

[B]

Dude, it's. That is that to me is the saddest of all.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I like visualizing an apple. You should have led with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's 1997.

[A]

I can close your eyes. I can kind of like feel what it was like, but I don't. Buddy, that's why it's really exciting when it happens because you're just like, yeah, look at that.

[B]

You're like, I wish I could remember this. I'll remember the feeling. Oh, that's funny, dude. I didn't even think about counting sheep.

[A]

Always thought it was a joke.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, the funny thing is the moment you said counting sheep, in my mind I saw a picture of like a rolling. I've never seen a sheep of fence and literal sheep. Just.

[A]

I thought people were like, you're supposed to count things. So I was just like, 1, 2, 3, sheep for sheep. Like, I didn't see a sheep. There were no sheeps.

[B]

So is there some benefit to this?

[A]

The only benefit that I know of is.

[B]

I mean, it's a few. It's reading only downsides.

[A]

But you articulated what I think is your superpower and you've made up for the inability to visualize things with the gut feel. Yeah.

[B]

There. There is a feel well beyond what.

[A]

A lot of other people say. Yeah, there's a lot of feel, which is. It's actually interesting because the ex president and the person that ran DreamWorks or not DreamWorks Imagination Inc. What was the name of the book? It was.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bob Chopek.

[A]

Yeah, he came out and said that he basically has it as well.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

And so there's a handful of like, creative people that have it. And he talked about how he had to design certain processes for people that were working on DreamWorks on projects that have.

[B]

Pixar.

[A]

Yeah, Pixar.

[B]

They have this and interesting.

[A]

It's one of these things where certain times where I've said things, people don't believe it that I have that feeling.

[B]

Yeah, I. It. I totally get that. Which is.

[A]

Which is a. It's just different it's just different. Yeah. So I think there is something to that. Creativity Inc. Yeah, that's the name of the book.

[B]

Ed Campnall.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he talks about in his book.

[B]

Yeah, Ed Campnell's fucking.

[A]

But the guy that created Firefox has it. There's like a bunch of these handful of creative people that have come out and said that they also have it.

[B]

Well, it is interesting because you think of it as like. I mean, look, one of the things I've always said is my creativity thrives with guardrails and limitations. Like that to me is amazing. Like, if someone says, sit down and write a song, I can do it, but it's more difficult. But like, I wrote a song that Heather released on one of her CDs, which I was super fun, you know, But I did it because I went. I really love the Toadies. Not Creep. What's the other one? I can't remember, but it was basically like a really dark, fun rock song. But it's like super dark. Yeah, the Toady's like, main. Main song. It's not called Creep. I can't remember what it's called.

[A]

Creep is the.

[B]

Creep is the other guy. Radiohead, Radiohead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the Toadies have. It's like Possum Kingdom. I wanna see them. And I just love that idea that it's like these. Like that there's something sort of creepy. And so I went home and within an hour, I had written a song called I Lied. And I fucking love it. But the only reason I was able to do that was because I said to myself, I want to go write a song like the Toady's Possum Kingdom. You know what I mean? And so for me, my creativity is always the best when I have specific requirements. And I know that other creatives feel really frustrated by those. But to me, I love it. Like, if somebody was like, you got to make a. You know, come up with an idea for a movie, but it's got to have this type of person in it. It's got to be this. It's got to have a car, it's got to do this, it's got to do that. Like, that's my cup of tea, man.

[A]

So you're really good at improv, then.

[B]

I love. Yeah, that's what. How I. That's how I got into the entertainment industry. Improv. I fucking love improv.

[A]

Also.

[B]

The improv. The thing that's so great about improv is I hate rehearsing. Like, I just hate rehearsing. Like, the Rehearsing part. So it's great because with improv, there is no rehearsing. I mean, you rehearse by doing improv, right? Right. Yeah. But the other thing, too is, it's freeing to me because the answer is, I'm not worried about anybody judging what I'm doing because I'm making this up. So it's like, worst case scenario, somebody goes, that wasn't funny. And I go, yeah, but I just made it up. Like, what the fuck else do you want? Like, yeah, you try it. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But also, there's nothing I will tell you. There's no high on this planet that I've had yet that is as fucking good as being in front of a live audience and pulling something out of your ass that makes the whole fucking place explode in laughter. Oh, dude.

[A]

Honestly, like, our live vacations, they've been some of my most favorite things that I've ever done in my life. Without a doubt.

[B]

Ugh. It's just so fucking cool to be able to, like, have a thought, say something, and have that many people laugh.

[A]

My highest high, without a doubt, is coming up with something that no one else is. Has done before. That is my highest high. Like, I have some stuff I'm working on right now, and I've never seen it done before. And I'm like, this is. This is this. This is it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because it's. It just when it. When I can put it out there and I can see it, I'm like, whoa. Nobody's ever built something like this. And that, to me, is the ultimate satisfaction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not. Even if a lot of people use it. I don't.

[B]

It's more like that second.

[A]

It just. It just hasn't done. Been done before. Yeah, I've always wanted that from. For my kids mainly. Like, when I think of my kids and kind of like, who you mean?

[B]

Want them to have that feeling too.

[A]

Just to know that, like, dad tried a bunch of crazy shit.

[B]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[A]

You know, like, I think that is the ultimate end game. It's not, can I get another home run? Like, you know, or can I have another exit or another thing? It's like, I just want to play. It's all about play.

[B]

Have you read Creativity Inc. No. I need to. You should, because that is right up.

[A]

Did you read it?

[B]

I have not. I should. I should, actually.

[A]

But anyway, Aphantasia, if you have this, we want to hear from you.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Dignation fansmail or no, dignationfansig.com dignation dignationg.com There we go. So, yeah, Amphantasia. I can't remember that. That's part of the reason I think I did so bad in school, because I remember people saying, like, how can you not remember the order of the Alphabet? And, like, they're like, of course. You know what's between K?

[B]

And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no. So this is different. You ready?

[A]

Because you can see it.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This. This fucks me up. Heather sees every word she says. What? Yeah. Oh, no. And it gets even crazy.

[A]

You see Every word you see. Say no.

[B]

And it gets even crazier. I love you, babe, but you're fucking savant when it comes to this. When she memorizes stuff for, like, a play, she sees the page of the script and where she's reading the lines off of the page in her brain.

[A]

Why are you acting like that's a slam on her? That's like a super.

[B]

No, no, no. Well, no, I know, I know.

[A]

I love you, babe, but I gotta tell these people amazing.

[B]

Like, to me, I was like. Because she was like, I see words when people are speaking. I see the words in my. Like I'm reading a transcript of what they're saying to me in real time. And I was like, dude, this is so cool, man. So the brain is just so.

[A]

That's why I think the next next couple, like, there is a good chance before I die, I will be able to see things. And like, with the brain implants and everything.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

They might unlock all this.

[B]

That stuff is coming 20 years. I mean, come on.

[A]

Did you ever see that? Crazy. It was like a 60 minutes or some shit where there's this kid that can read two takes his eyes, and you can read fucking both sides at the same time.

[B]

Dude, come on. Come on. Dude, that's crazy.

[A]

How crazy is that? Oh, did you have you heard this podcast called the Something Tapes?

[B]

The Something Tapes?

[A]

No, it's called the something tapes. Paranormal tapes. The. The Paranormal Tapes Para Normal tapes podcast. It's called the. Not the Black tapes. No.

[B]

And that's why we drink. I love that. It's.

[A]

It's called, like, the.

[B]

Is it about what? Is it normal?

[A]

What is it when you could read someone's mind?

[B]

Oh, not telekinesis. What's the other one?

[A]

Telepathy tapes. It's called the telepathy tapes.

[B]

Okay, so.

[A]

Dude, this is crazy. You got to see this. They did a video podcast as well. This is, like, blowing up right now. It's like, one of the top podcasts. And so they go around and they find, like, all these people that claim they can do these things, and they interview them, and then they also, like, show video of them doing shit. And, dude, there is this lady that can mind read, and this guy, he brings all these things, like, different cars and stuff that doesn't show a lot of time. And, like, these people are legit, and she's just freaking. Just nails one after another after another. It's insane.

[B]

Our brain can do so much shit. Like, there's the guy who got, like, hit by a car, hit by a baseball, and then all of a sudden, he could play the piano. Like a savant.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's never played piano before. Like, there are shit that our brains. Like the movie Lucy. Did you ever see Lucy?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, dude, watch Lucy.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's crazy. It's not Charlize Theron. It's a Scarlett Johansson and it's a Luc Besson movie, and it just goes wild. But it's about unlocking the percentage of which they say you can use a lot of your brain anyway, but it's. Anyway, but it's the same thing where it's like, I bet you there's shit that we will be able to do in our brains once someone just figures out, oh, you can just turn this little thing. And now you could have, you know, that, like, perfect recall. Like, you know, those people can remember what they did exactly any given day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or like, the thing where, like, you could know what the date. Like, oh, it was a Thursday in. Yeah.

[A]

They asked those kids, they're like, what was it? What day was it on? You know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

1918, 1975. And on February 12th, they're like.

[B]

And they just know it.

[A]

Temperature was 66 degrees. Where's that coming from?

[B]

Dude, I am. Yeah. I love it.

[A]

There's a thing that unlocks something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Same idea.

[B]

Now, Pluribus is great. It's like. Plurbus is such a cool name.

[A]

It is a good name. Well, there's, you know, that's part of. There's a Plurbus wine that Will makes. Yeah. From Bon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bon. Pluribus. Yeah. You know, I have the Pluribus, bro.

[B]

I didn't even know it was a thing, dude.

[A]

It's like the inkiest grapevine. It's so good when you fucking see.

[B]

Will I have some. Bring some. What?

[A]

Well, I don't have it here. It's in a cellar thing.

[B]

But I will bring some. Maybe. Next. Next.

[A]

Thankfully, it wasn't in the fire, so.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. All right. All right, next story. Waymo hits the freeways.

[A]

Finally.

[B]

Finally. This was submitted by Desert Ninja. And I feel like maybe Desert Ninja is from Phoenix because this was a local Phoenix news article. But essentially, as many of you know, we are both big Waymo fans and ninja fans. And ninja fans. I mean, ninja fans, they're all great. But one of the things that Waymo has not been able to do, or they have chosen not to do, I should say, because I'm sure they could do it. They just hadn't yet, was they did not go on the freeways. So, like, in Los Angeles, you know, we have the 405 going north south. We have the 10 going east, west, and we have the 101. That's kind of going through the mountain pass a little bit up, you know, east to west ish, north to south ish. And that can save a lot of time. You know what I mean? Like, coming here is a great example. I took a Waymo here and it takes all surface streets. Yeah.

[A]

But it's nice, though.

[B]

It works.

[A]

I like it because you have USB C chargers and you can hook up your laptop and then you can just work.

[B]

Oh, it's. First off, Waymo is just. It's just the best.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you, Waymo, for doing all that.

[B]

You do, by the way, because it's been. We took a Waymo down to. Oh. Which I should tell you, but we took a Waymo down to downtown from the GROs. ISH is where we live. I went and saw a friend of ours, got us tickets. I would never have sought this out, but at the Ahmanson, they're doing Paranormal Activity, the play.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

It was.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say the movie. And I'm like, okay.

[B]

No, it was.

[A]

Was it good?

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Ho.

[A]

Was it scary?

[B]

Fuck yes.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Oh, my God, it was so creepy.

[A]

Maybe I should go. That sounds fun. You should.

[B]

Oh, my God, you totally should. Because it is like, yeah, take Daria and just go. It is like. Because there's tickets are available. Like, it's great. The sound design was good. The set is actually like a two story apartment set. In London, it's a two story apartment. The downstairs set is like the doorway, a little kitchen.

[A]

Oh, shit, this looks creepy. It looks like legit.

[B]

Oh, dude.

[A]

How many people are in each, like, thing?

[B]

What do you mean? Meaning, like, it's a Matter of uncle.

[A]

You'll get to walk around on stage.

[B]

No, no, it's a play.

[A]

Oh, okay. Because have you ever been to that thing in New York, like the Forever Nights or whatever it's called?

[B]

So like a paranormal activity, haunted house type thing.

[A]

Do you know what I'm talking about? Malice. The thing in New York, it's like never ending days or some shit like that where it's. It's like this thing that you go to.

[B]

It wasn't Macbeth, was it?

[A]

No, it's this thing that you go to and you like, you're part of the actual play and you walk around, you have to figure out what people are doing and like. And it's massive. It's like the size of a Costco.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

When you're like running around, there's like people doing all kinds of crazy shit. Sleep no more.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

That's a fun one.

[B]

So this, this is like just going to watch a play, but the play isn't. Is like a Paranormal Activity movie. Is theory. It is fucking.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It gets you, bro.

[A]

I'm into this.

[B]

It fucking gets you. I don't even want to tell you some of the shit.

[A]

Okay, don't tell me.

[B]

Yeah. And the whole audience is like shocked, scared, nervous laughter. Oh, we took one down to go. To go watch it. But I wanted to say it was on the list of things I wanted to tell you because I was like, people should see Paranormal Activity.

[A]

I was like, what's the story about Waymo? Yeah, we take a look.

[B]

Anyway. So currently they're rolling it out to customers that request it in Phoenix and then it's going to come to Los Angeles. You do have to go into the app and say that you're cool with it going on freeways. I feel like this is the step for us. So like. And this is a little inside baseball of like Los Angeles area. But there's. There's like LA proper and then there's the Valley, which is just over like Laurel Canyon or Colbada Canyon. Any of the canyons. Sepulveda. It does not go over into the Valley. Right. And we have friends that live in the Valley. A lot of times we go dinners in the Valley. Yeah. And so it really hinders our ability to take awaymo to these. To certain places. But I think unlocking the freeways completely unlocks the Valley. You know what I mean? Like being able to go up, up through Hollywood and then get on the 101. Now you can go anywhere in the Valley that To me is when I think Waymo is gonna really blow up in Los Angeles, which clearly it's doing great. I mean, it's already doing.

[A]

You know, what really hurts my soul is I get into Waymos now, and I've noticed that people have, like, mistreated them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, they scrape up some of the speaker grills and, like, some of them have trash in them. Yeah. There's been a couple I've gotten into.

[B]

But there's also video of them.

[A]

I know, but I'm just like, they must be banned. But it's just. It really.

[B]

Yeah. People suck.

[A]

There's something about just people's disregard. We have such a beautiful thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they go. And they just treat it like shit.

[B]

I don't know what it is. I honestly. I don't know what it is. There's. There's like this, like. I don't know, just this. But then it's also like, you think about all the people that, like, you know, have these. Have. Have really not healthy and happy home experiences. You know, I did a lot of.

[A]

That shit when I was younger.

[B]

Right. I was just. Yeah. I mean, like, in my mind, I was like, you know.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good point. I fucked up a lot of stuff when I was younger because I was really upset by some of the childhood trauma and shit that I'm through. So.

[B]

Yeah, just.

[A]

Yeah, that's fair. It's a good way to look at it.

[B]

But the good news is Waymos are doing good.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I just can't wait for the Waymo technology to be starting to get downsize and then put into cars.

[A]

I really wish they would go freaking public because I would love to invest in Waymo. They spun it out of Google.

[B]

I was gonna say now.

[A]

Yeah. Only one investor, so.

[B]

Only one investor.

[A]

Andreessen invested in it. Somehow, I don't think.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. It's because it's gonna be the future. Oh.

[A]

100%, dude.

[B]

And I mean, I love, you know, that other people are trying to do it, but like, Waymo, it just feels so much safer.

[A]

Because of the lidar.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because my way more the other day.

[B]

Because Tesla doesn't use the lidar exactly.

[A]

It's just camera. So my Waymo aggressively pulled out into this, like. There was like, this, like, corner that was so sharp that I'm like, you can't see around that corner. And a Tesla would have been like, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and the way was like, radar, radar, radar. Like, you can Detect. There's no cars coming. So I just did it. And I was like, this is amazing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Just safer.

[A]

Anyway. All right, next story. Yeah, yeah, let's do a couple little sponsees.

[B]

Yeah, let's sponsies.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

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50% off last year. Thank you, sir. All right, next story. K Ro.

[A]

Yes, next story. This one is actually I wanted to get your take on it. I specifically picked it because you know this stuff and I do not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. End of year. End of the year, they have the video game awards. The nominees have come out for the game awards.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know if you heard the game awards. It's one of the video game awards. There is a handful of these that I have. Well, I've never heard of most of these.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So I want to get your take.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So I'm looking to pick up a new game.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And play something fun. Here are the Games of the Year nominations. Clair obscure.

[B]

Yeah. Expedition 33.

[A]

33, yeah.

[B]

Bonkers indie game. Came out of nowhere, blew up all the steam things. I have yet to play it, but it's supposedly fantastic. I've seen a bunch of videos on it.

[A]

Nominee number two, Death Standing. Two on the Beach.

[B]

Death Standing. I never played Death Standing. The original with. What's that actor's.

[A]

So far as a video game person, you are sucking at this. There's two of the top.

[B]

No, I know. Well, I don't. I'm not a big single player.

[A]

I mean, I've heard of Tetris, but like.

[B]

I've heard of Tetris.

[A]

No, but I'm just saying like.

[B]

But I'm not an expert.

[A]

She played these. Okay, next. Yeah, Donkey Kong Bonanza.

[B]

That's amazing. Probably switch to.

[A]

Have you played it?

[B]

No.

[A]

Ah, Jesus. Okay.

[B]

I haven't played these, just so you know. I have. If it's not World of Warcraft from 2004. Hades 2. I have heard of it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Definitely not played it.

[A]

This one I've heard of Silksong. Hollow Knight. Silksong.

[B]

Yeah, Silksong.

[A]

Is it good?

[B]

I haven't played it.

[A]

Ah, Jesus. Sorry. I'm saying Jesus a lot for the non religious people.

[B]

That's okay. The non religious people are like, yeah, it's just an expletive. It's just a way to be exasperated.

[A]

Kingdom Come, Deliverance 2.

[B]

Ooh, I don't know if I know that one.

[A]

Okay, let me see. Okay, you have no advice.

[B]

No, my advice is, here's my advice. You ready? Because I know, I know about all of these games. So my advice to you would be, what style of game do you like? Like, do you like Metroid? Where? It's okay.

[A]

I was never a Metroid fan, but I got sick when it came out.

[B]

Okay, well, do you like Castlevania?

[A]

Oh, yeah, I love Castlevania.

[B]

Okay, you might like Silksong.

[A]

Okay, well, hold on. Let me tell you the most nominated game. So that was. That was the Camp of the Year Awards. So most nominated, 12 nominations is expedition 33.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Seven nominations tied. Death standing two and Ghost of Yotes.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where you play like this, like a Japanese samurai guy.

[A]

Oh, I like that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Sixth nomination, Hades two. Five nominations, Silksong and four nominations, Split Fiction.

[B]

So Split Fiction is great.

[A]

Have you played it?

[B]

If you want. I have not played it, but.

[A]

But have you played anything this year?

[B]

Yeah, the same fucking games. I'm playing World of Warcraft with my buddy Jerry. I played. I'm trying to.

[A]

You're officially a boomer, dude.

[B]

I am totally a boomer. I'm literally like. I like my Tetris. I watch the blocks at night in my brain because I don't have aplifacia.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. At least I could never see the blocks.

[B]

That's crazy. Never saw the blocks. Didn't. Never dreamed of the blocks. No. But do you dream? When you dream, do you see.

[A]

No. What I see, I just, like, float and stuff.

[B]

I've never had a dream that you woke up. Like, when I dream, I'm, like, in a movie. No, I'm not in a movie at all, bro. Spank Bank.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Times are thousand.

[A]

I've never been in.

[B]

Oh, that is so buddy. Oh, man.

[A]

You guys say that, but you say.

[B]

I do say that. Oh, man. I'm gonna. We're gonna deep dive after this offline and let you know what the future is like. All right.

[A]

Tell me if there's any games I should be playing, damn it.

[B]

Okay, well, so the question. So Split Fiction's great. Does Daria play?

[A]

No. Okay, so then she plays Grow a Garden.

[B]

Grow Garden.

[A]

Grow a Garden.

[B]

She plays Growing a Garden. Yes.

[A]

It's a big game on Roblox.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I have a garden, too. Our kids have gardens, so we, like, garden with them.

[B]

Got it. So you're gardening with them, but. So Split Fiction is two players, but you're both seeing different things. Yeah. So, like, if you ever see a video of, like, it's usually couples, and it'll be, like, one person running up this ramp, and these, like, waves are coming at them, but they can't see the waves. Their partner can see the waves because they're the one running up the ramp.

[A]

So you have to be.

[B]

So it's like, go left, go left. Okay. You have to communicate in order to be able to help.

[A]

You have to have two screens in. Yeah.

[B]

Or you can do split screen.

[A]

That's kind of cheating, though.

[B]

It will. Then you get to that old, like, thing we were talking about back in the LAN party days, where you get the piece of cardboard, tape it up between the two screens.

[A]

Oh. So there's some things you can see and some things you can't. This is cool.

[B]

And one person's doing something and the other person. And each person has to do their thing in order to succeed.

[A]

Mmm.

[B]

It's great. The guy. Guys, the company that made this made. Oh, God. What's the other one? I think it was the one that was, like, about Divorce, which is so super weird. But it's about, like, the kid shrinks their parents down and they have to, like, go through camera. What it's called. Anyway, so split fiction. Not so much. Unless you find somebody that you want to game with.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

But Silksong, you might be. Might like Silksong.

[A]

That's what everybody's saying. Justin's a huge dig. CEO Justin Bazelle is a huge Silksong fan.

[B]

I never played Hollow Knight, but it was huge.

[A]

Oh, did he beat it?

[B]

Did he?

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Cause it's like.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

Sort of like if, like a platformer meets. What's it called, Dark Souls, where it's, like, really hard, but there's something about satisfying of getting it through. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I like those games.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, you're up.

[B]

Okay. Michael Berry of Big Short fame is called closing his hedge fund. So to me, sure, that's newsworthy. But the thing that. And this was sent in by Deepa H. Wait, no. Deepa. Dave. The reason why I think this is interesting is because. So Michael. Michael Barry, for those people, are buried, but I think it's pronounced Barry. For people who may not know, he was the guy who shorted the housing market in 2008. He was sort of the guy that was the canary in the coal mine that saw the housing bubble crisis that happened in 2008. So he has. So the news is that he started in 2011 or, sorry, 2013, because I think he was working at, like, Bear Stearns or one of those places. In 2013, he opened up his own hedge funds called Scion, and he's now shutting that down. So it's like 100, 155 million or something like that that he was managing.

[A]

And he basically sent out much.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, for one guy who's just kind of doing.

[A]

Oh, this is one person. Yeah, sure.

[B]

Yeah. Like. Yeah. It wasn't like, a team of people. It was literally just.

[A]

I say that not because I consider that not a lot of money is obviously a ton of money.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

When I think about the world of hedge funds, it's not that much.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Some. The top hedge funds are like $15 billion in your asset. You're under management. Yeah. But the thing that I find the most interesting about this is, is he has gone on a hedge hedging, actual hedging against AI in a big way. He has put in. He holds a crazy hedging position against Nvidia and Palantir Palantir. He put in a not. He has a $9 million hedge against Palantir. And it would became huge news because essentially they were like, here's the guy that bet against the, the housing market and made fucking billions of dollars. Nobody thought he was going to be right. And now here he comes again and says, I'm betting against AI. And part of his reason of like betting against Nvidia, which I think was really interesting, is he's like, the whole reason why Nvidia is so valuable right now is because all of these big AI companies are just scooping up as much GPUs as they can right from Nvidia. And the, the, the, what he's sort of proposed proposing is that only continues if AI is what they all think AI is going to be and will be this big next venture, everybody. But if AI is never going to be able to sort of equalize where like the, the value proposition of like the day to day users worth so much money that they're willing to pay for the energy and pay for the, you know, the, the bandwidth and all this, all this stuff that then everybody stops buying Nvidia cards, right? Like if all of a sudden Meta and fucking XAI and you know, OpenAI all go, hey, we don't see a path to profitability here, so we're going to just slow down expansion, you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, but they've been saying all of.

[B]

A sudden Nvidia is going to not be selling that many chips. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, I hear you. But also.

[B]

No, no, it's not me. I don't, I'm, you know, I don't have a dog in the fight. But I'm just saying that's what Michael Berry is now saying, which I don't.

[A]

Know that he's right on that. Interesting.

[B]

Right? Peter Thiel did pull out Nvidia.

[A]

I hear that. And don't get me wrong, when the Nvidia's like their market cap is just insane. So I, I certainly believe that the market is clearly priced, the stock and everything is priced in, in terms of future growth. And it's just insane. We've never seen a company this big before. It's crazy. But that said, I hear from the inside that there's two things that are happening. One, the failure rates of these GPU cards are actually pretty substantial. And so there is a natural attrition and kind of upgrade cycle that you're going to have to do ongoing with these GPUs.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then lastly Imagine that, you know, inference is one thing and training is one thing. Training is obviously training the models and inferences. How quickly can you deliver the actual content to the end user from that large corpus, that large data set? And if AI usage is. We're just hitting like, these things are snowballs. You remember when Square came out and everyone could swipe a credit card with just a little reader?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's so funny. Everyone was like, oh, they penetrate the market, they want to be this big. And then you'll understand that when everybody has to have one of these and like commerce becomes the thing that anyone from a juice vendor on the corner or an actual coffee shop could have one. It's so much bigger than you think. And there are still so many people that have never used AI before. We're in the very early innings of all of this, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so if we still haven't, we don't have the perfect model. These things still hallucinate, they still have problems. The data's not great. Like, we got another 10, 20 years. And that's even if LLMs are a thing, like the largest. The inventor of the lms, very early on, he just came out today, I think, actually, and talked about he's leaving Meta. Sorry to spin. No worries.

[B]

I know it's your first wine.

[A]

So he's leaving and he's going to create his own AI new startup and he's raising a shit ton of money.

[B]

That's not surprising.

[A]

But he was the guy that kind of popularized this idea of an LLM. And the funny thing about it is he's saying LM's the wrong direction. He doesn't think it's going to actually get us to AGI.

[B]

And so what is the other way.

[A]

That's the whole thing. He's working on that. But the thing that I guess I don't foresee in the next handful of years, anyone taking their foot off the gas. Yeah, I get that because it's still such early innings.

[B]

No, I think, I think you're right. And I think, I think that's the mistake of sort of betting against AI because it also feels like, like the Internet, where, like you don't know exactly how the Internet is going to be utilized in the way that you're going to be utilizing it in the future, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's always that thing of like, oh, so the Internet, so I can just like send emails. It's like, yeah, but there's a lot of other stuff you're going to be able to do. And people weren't like, oh, you'll be able to pull your phone out of your pocket while sitting in the other room and change the temperature of your thermostat.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's using the Internet. Right. But like that idea that use case wasn't even in the forefront of people saying like it's going to change the way that people talk. Yeah, it's like, okay, that's cool but like I can fucking open my garage door right now from using the Internet, you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, well the Internet is going to be compressed into something that is not but that's special.

[B]

Saying is the AI right now we just think of as doing this one thing which is like regurgitating information, maybe giving us a gleaning and you know, thinking for us kind of a thing as I would say. But what AI is going to do for your day to day life? I don't think we have any questions.

[A]

We have no idea. That's a great point because like if you think about when we first started getting the Internet like called the late 90s, right. We were using dial up modems, we were getting on AOL and it was like, oh, I can send an email. Oh I can, I can actually text with someone. Oh, icq, all these different chat apps, you know, aol, all that stuff. And we had no idea we were going to be walking around with what is now considered a supercomputer in your pocket.

[B]

Oh, 1,000%.

[A]

Right. And so call it the next 20 years of this is the AI years. And after that it'll be quantum or quantum will probably start in the next 10 years or so. But we have yet to turn over all the cards. We have so much time to go. And the Internet will just be seen as in the future. It already kind of is. It's just gonna be like electricity. It is just like the conduit in which we do all of our everything. It's not really that special anymore.

[B]

No.

[A]

And AI is the new special thing and then eventually it'll be quantum. Quantum. So it's or something else completely the AI invents.

[B]

Well, I also think that like the thing that's going to be really interesting and we're seeing I think the, the growing pains of it. But I think the thing that's going to be the most interesting is when electricity becomes near free.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's going to happen 100 going to be really interesting.

[B]

It's going to happen, I mean in.

[A]

Our lifetime for sure.

[B]

Yeah. Because like 15 years ago, plus 20 years ago, I bought solar panels for my house. That is, if I switched out those solar panels, there is, there is no way I would not be net zero in my whole house. Everything could be taken care of with, with my house. I'm like 75% of the electricity I use comes from the sun on my day to day.

[A]

But you've seen some of the new like fusion stuff, like cold fusion stuff, bro, that's getting closer.

[B]

Once we do, I mean there's. There's so much shit that like once we unlock and we're like off fossil fuels for electricity, then it also becomes okay, so electricity is free. The Internet is more like your telephone line. It's not a technology. Just kind of is a thing that exists in your house that you use for all these other things. But again, you don't think of it as like this thing. It's just part of your everyday. Like a.

[A]

Like we don't ever be like, oh, wow, electricity. Even though it is like a moment like that we should have. But I bet you 100 years ago they would have been like, bro, it would have been like the Internet.

[B]

100 years ago, people didn't even want electric light bulbs in their house because it was too bright.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They were like, get that devil out of there.

[A]

They're not wrong.

[B]

Yeah, but then you got the hue lights, bro. Just turn them down. Turn on your Spotify Christmas list. Get some weird hundred year old.

[A]

You're going to love my bro.

[B]

I'm excited. Everything you said about eggnog, Sherry, what was that?

[A]

What was it?

[B]

Cognac.

[A]

Cognac?

[B]

Yeah. Fucking eggnog, cognac, rain, fire, Christmas. I'm fucking excited, man.

[A]

I'm getting Christmas lights up.

[B]

You're doing the thing?

[A]

Yeah, in like a week.

[B]

Oh my God, that's so great.

[A]

Me crazy.

[B]

We totally. Fuck. We forgot we. I put up all new govee lights in our backyard. So we have all these new LED govee lights. Never change the color of them during Halloween. Oh, I just totally didn't even realize. I forgot that I was like, oh, right. I have like, I have like floodlights against our garage. I have this like tree light. So I'm gonna do that if I can set it up.

[A]

Well, let's. I lost my thing. Okay.

[B]

Are you up? Yeah.

[A]

You're up. I know I'm up.

[B]

You're up.

[A]

Okay. Are we done? We got one more story.

[B]

Two more stories.

[A]

How are we doing time?

[B]

What do we do? How we good?

[A]

All right, let's do One more story.

[B]

Yeah, let's do one more story.

[A]

Prometheus. Oh, Jeff Bezos will lead a new springing fire from. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

From the gods.

[A]

He's leading a new AI startup called Prometheus. So he left Amazon. He needed.

[B]

Was he at Amazon still wasn't there? No. New CEO.

[A]

Yeah, new CEO. So he slept Amazon a while ago. And so this is his first operational role since Amazon.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

He's co founder of Blue Origin, obviously the rocket company. He wants to start a new AI startup that is going to be focused on engineering and space technology with real world kind of like physical applications, like in the real life.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And he needed a little seed funding. How much do you think he raised?

[B]

Why would he raise money? He's like the richest guy.

[A]

You need a little bit of funding. You need a little bit of funding if you're a startup. How much are Bezos? How much can you raise?

[B]

I mean, if Bezos is going around to his friends and being like, do you want to put a little into my next thing? 100 million bucks.

[A]

6.2 billion. No. What? Yeah.

[B]

He raised $6.2 billion for his new startup?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy fuck.

[A]

Can you imagine? I love that.

[B]

It says some from himself.

[A]

Look what Elon tweeted.

[B]

Haha. No way. Copy.

[A]

Copycat.

[B]

Oh, copycat. Oh my God, that's amazing. I love the top comment on the story.

[A]

Didn't you see that? No. What'd they say?

[B]

Can we stop naming after Sci Fi content?

[A]

That specifically was developed to warn us against this shit.

[B]

Amazing. So what is his startup going to be?

[A]

He won't say, but it is going to be. I think it's a lot of robotics because he's talking about like in real life training data versus like kind of. He's not making another GROK or LLM type thing.

[B]

Got it, got it, got it.

[A]

Could be more robotics. And he's specifically around manufacturing. So I'm sure some of this stuff will eventually play into Amazon. And surely Amazon's gonna like lay off a bunch of people. They got these new way more efficient warehouses now where they can do. Everything's automated.

[B]

I mean, it's the same thing with the Industrial Revolution and then the advent of. I mean this is literally the stuff from the 80s, right? Like do you remember Gung Ho, one of my favorite 80s movies of all time? It was all about the Japanese coming to take over the Detroit thing to put in efficiencies and lay off workers. And then manufacturing robots came in and they downsized their physical production of things. Is I Think the first layer of AI controlled robotics to take over.

[A]

But it already is.

[B]

Like if you go to the market. No, exactly. Yeah. No, no, no, exactly. But it's just like this is like the last, you know, the last straw. I mean, look, at the end of the day, like, didn't Waymo. Waymo just made a deal with Doordash.

[A]

Oh, did they?

[B]

Yeah, so that. I don't know exactly how that's gonna work. Maybe it'll just be that. Like a Waymo car.

[A]

That's kind of awesome.

[B]

Dude. I already have that little robot, the like little guy from Uber eats that will bring a pizza to our house.

[A]

Oh, dude, this is amazing.

[B]

Yeah, Isn't that cool?

[A]

So you just walk outside and get it out of your Waymo?

[B]

Yeah, they just put it in the front seat. The Waymo comes over.

[A]

That's fantastic.

[B]

Because at the end of the day it's like, why do I need a guy to hand it to me if the car is autonomous? You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Cause they take it to your door.

[B]

But they don't. I always walk outside because I. Because they're always going to the wrong fucking house. I never wait.

[A]

Well, you also have a gate and stuff around your house.

[B]

Yeah, but like, I never wait until they ring the doorbell. It also might be like. Cause I have a dog and I know that when the doorbell gets rung, she's like, bark, bark, bark. And so I'm like, oh, I'll just make it easy for her. You know what I mean? But like, think about like a way, you know, Waymo pulls up and it's like, your pizza's in there.

[A]

That's pretty cool.

[B]

Also it's great because the times that I'm mad at fucking delivery stuff, it's the driver. You know what I mean? Like, there were times when like the driver picked. There was a time, just recently, driver was like, they're on their way to the. To the restaurants. Pick up your order. So that means the restaurant has made my order, right? And I see this fucking driver on the 101, going all the way up into the Valley, all the way over to the fucking 405. And I'm like, you are nowhere near.

[A]

I love, I love just imagining you looking at your phone, just being like, where's he going? Oh, 100%.

[B]

That is literally what I was doing. I was sitting, watching tv, probably drinking and waiting for like Thai food. I think it was Thai food. And I would just periodically look down. Cause I'd be like, God, it's been like 20 minutes, and I would look and the car was like. And I was like, what the fuck are you doing in Sherman Oaks?

[A]

Is that a hair on your hand?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

It shouldn't grow from this side.

[B]

No, I'm afraid. Oh, I think it was just a shadow. Okay.

[A]

You had a hair growing.

[B]

I know, but I think it's just a wrinkle and a shadow. That's creepy. I don't like getting old. This sucks.

[A]

All right, let's.

[B]

So weird. All right, on that note. On that lovely note, guys, thank you so much for watching this episode of Dig Nation. We had such a blast. Kevin.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Welcome back to the mascot.

[A]

Yeah, it is great to be back. And it was a great way to break into some wine.

[B]

Oh, I mean, love it.

[A]

No better choice.

[B]

Oh, because you'd not had red wine.

[A]

No, not red wine. I was saving it for this special occasion.

[B]

Well, there you go. Yeah. Maybe next time we'll have some of the pluribus.

[A]

Pluribus. Let's do it.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Thanks, everyone.

[B]

Thanks, everybody, for watching. We will see you next week. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[A]

Not next week. And I'm Kevin Rose.

[B]

We'll see you in a couple weeks. Bye.