OnlyFans on Digg, Foldable iPhones in 2026, and Why the Metaverse Is Officially Over

Summary

Diggnation (Rebooted) – Episode Summary

Title: OnlyFans on Digg, Foldable iPhones in 2026, and Why the Metaverse Is Officially Over
Hosts: Kevin Rose & Alex Albrecht
Release Date: January 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

After a 15-year hiatus, Diggnation is back, digging into the quirkiest, most fascinating stories from around the Internet. Kevin and Alex, with their signature banter and blend of insight and irreverence, cover the resurgence of Digg communities (including a not-that OnlyFans group), debate the need for foldable iPhones, and announce the (not-so-shocking) death of the Metaverse. They also dive deep into AI’s impact on coding, laugh at billion-dollar AI startups, and puzzle over the future of self-driving car subscriptions—all while riffing on everything from drinking habits to the meaning of life.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Digg’s Relaunch: Communities, OnlyFans & Moderation

Timestamps: 07:09 – 11:02

• Digg’s new open public beta now allows users to create and moderate their own communities. There’s a two-community creation limit to keep quality up.
• Alex is excited about his own /cooking and /Dodgers communities; Kevin mentions /Japan and /Meditation.
• Notable laugh: The "OnlyFans" community is literally for fan enthusiasts (spinning, hand, cooling fans—not what you’d expect).
  • “OnlyFans is only... it’s only fans. Literally all types of fans. Like fans you can buy at Costco, hand fans, fans that blow at different capacities.” — Kevin (08:25)
• Moderation is intentionally transparent. Future plans include AI support for moderators, but the hosts debate the pros and cons of AI in community management.

Notable quote:

• "Moderation is transparent. Unlike other big social platforms, you get to see what's happening. In a perfect world... you have these principles that a community should be run by." — Kevin (09:21)

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2. The Death of the Metaverse

Timestamps: 11:02 – 26:43

• Meta’s Metaverse efforts have officially fizzled, with hosts agreeing they “called it years ago.”
  • “I called this shit years ago, dude. So stupid.” — Kevin (11:17)
• Meta’s push was an effort to recapture young users spending time on Roblox, Minecraft, Fortnite, not Instagram.
• VR/AR’s mainstream failure attributed to friction (hardware setup, not “10x better”) and the public’s short attention span.
• They contrast AI’s natural integration into everyday life with the forced, clunky promise of VR.
• Extended philosophical tangent: Are we too obsessed with digital experiences? Alex and Kevin reflect on Zen mindfulness and the miracle of “enjoying the passage of time,” invoking Thich Nhat Hanh and a viral video:
  • "The miracle is to walk on the earth. The miracle is, are my feet on the ground and am I even aware of that moment?” — Kevin (20:04)
  • "Enjoying the passage of time is about all I got. And it's enough.” — Clip (22:48)

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3. AI's Leap Forward: Compound Engineering & Coding

Timestamps: 26:59 – 33:50

• Kevin explains his “vibecoding” workflow has dramatically improved with “compound engineering,” a new plugin for Claude Code AI.
  • “It has changed just everything. Now I can have multiple projects being developed with a high level of confidence…” — Kevin (27:28)
• This plugin divides projects into subtasks, preserving context and improving code quality to 95%.
• Encouragement for newcomers: “If you have yet to dip into coding, now is the time. Just... dream up anything.”
• Career advice: The best products solve personal pains because “when times are tough, you’ll have enough passion.”
  • “Failure is just bullshit. The only thing it is, is admitting that you've learned something new.” — Kevin (24:35)

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4. Foldable iPhones: Hype or Gimmick?

Timestamps: 39:57 – 44:11

• Rumors suggest a foldable iPhone could arrive in 2026, but most listeners (and hosts) aren’t convinced it’s necessary.
  • “When I first heard about this, I went, I don’t need this.” — Alex (41:03)
• Possible upside: It could replace the need to carry both a phone and an iPad Mini.
• Foldables are neat for screen real estate, but hosts are skeptical about practicality (heaviness, dual-use, expense).
• Praise for the new iPad’s thinness and multi-window interface, speculating Apple may one day merge iPadOS and macOS.

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5. Billion-Dollar AI Startups & Investment FOMO

Timestamps: 44:15 – 47:53

• Talk of Humans, a new startup by ex-Anthropic, XAI, & Google staff, raising a $480 million seed round for “collaborative AI.”
• The valuation ($4.48 billion) stuns both hosts, who marvel at the power of having top AI talent even without a clear product.
  • “That is ridiculous… The thing for me would be, what was the pitch?” — Alex (44:54, 46:31)

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6. The Subscription Model: Tesla’s Self-Driving and the Electric Car Market

Timestamps: 54:03 – 61:05

• Tesla is shifting Full Self-Driving (FSD) to a subscription-only model; this prompts debate.
• Other automakers (like Sony-Honda’s Afila) are offering self-driving as a monthly add-on—hosts question whether that’s a logical feature to “subscribe” to.
• Monthly models (“$99/month or $1,000/year”) may broaden adoption, but paying for core vehicle functionality feels odd.
  • “If it is a monthly service, then I’m not buying the car. Well, two things, like make the car free and I'll pay a monthly service. That I would do.” — Alex (57:20)
• Affordability vs. recurring revenue for companies; reflecting on old Tesla perks (free supercharging) and the used EV market.

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7. Modern Manners: Litter, Main Character Syndrome & The State of America

Timestamps: 61:07 – 61:52

• Rant about people littering in neighborhoods and Waymo rides—calls for object recognition to punish offenders.
  • “Kick those motherfuckers out of the platform. Warn them, but then politely kick them.” — Kevin (60:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the death of the Metaverse:
  • “I called this shit years ago, dude. So stupid.” — Kevin (11:17)
• On VR’s failure compared to AI:
  • “It has to be holy shit, everything has changed. I will never go back to ever playing a video game on any other thing… and that was never the case.” — Kevin (16:04)
• On the miracle of being present:
  • “The real miracle is to walk on the Earth... Where are my feet right now? Can I be here right now? That is the power.” — Kevin (20:04)
• On creative failure:
  • “Failure is just... admitting that you’ve learned something new.” — Kevin (24:40)
• On collaborative AI and crazy valuations:
  • “$480 million seed round with a valuation right out of the gate of $4.48 billion. That is ridiculous.” — Alex (44:54)
• On Tesla subscriptions:
  • “If it is a monthly service, then I’m not buying the car.” — Alex (57:20)

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Episode Flow with Timestamps

| Time | Topic/Event | |---------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Cold open, banter, greetings | | 07:09 | The new Digg, communities (OnlyFans gag), moderation, AI-involved? | | 11:02 | The Metaverse is dead — Meta’s VR dreams autopsied | | 19:15 | Philosophy detour (Zen, Thich Nhat Hanh, meaning of life) | | 26:59 | Kevin’s deep dive: Compound engineering, AI coding revolution | | 39:57 | Rumors of a foldable iPhone | | 44:15 | $480M “seed” for mysterious Humans AI startup | | 54:03 | Tesla’s FSD subscription debate, broader car tech changes | | 60:29 | Littering rant, object detection in Waymo & “main character syndrome”| | 62:05 | Outro (skipped for summary purposes) |

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The Diggnation Tone

• Geeky, loose, and irreverent: Wandering tangents, inside jokes (“eat/suck a bag…”), and callback humor (“OnlyFans is just fans”).
• Depth amidst chaos: From high-level reflections on technology’s direction to deep, surprisingly moving philosophy about mindfulness and failure.
• Community-powered: Celebrating Digg’s rebirth and the possibilities for new subcultures.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a rich, laughter-filled tour through today’s Internet obsessions and tomorrow’s tech—suitable for geeks, builders, and anyone nostalgic for old-school Diggnation. You’ll learn about community moderation, why no one wants VR headsets, the practicalities of folding iPhones, why billion-dollar AI valuations can happen overnight, and how self-driving cars (maybe soon) will charge you by the month for autopilot. Along the way, you’ll also get a (surprisingly) philosophical look at why simply enjoying the moment may be humanity’s best “killer app.”

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Skip List: Ads and sponsorships (Whisperflow, Monarch Money, Zbiotics, Anthropic/Claude) omitted except where relevant to discussion.
Host Attribution: "A" = Alex Albrecht; "B" = Kevin Rose; "C" = Guest/Clip

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Transcript

[A]

Coming up on this episode, is folding your iPhone in half really that a good idea?

[B]

Also, new communities on Digg. There's one called OnlyFans, and it's not what you'd expect.

[A]

It's Naked Lady.

[B]

Welcome to Dig Nation.

[A]

Also potentially hazardous to your health.

[B]

All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house? I've noticed this earlier.

[A]

Southern California, and I hit true.

[B]

You put zombie and you put ear in the title, and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com.

[A]

Hello, everybody, and welcome to Dig Nation. Episode number 29. I did just have to look down and read that. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[B]

And I'm Kevin Rose. Happy New Year. Hey. And we've already had a show, so this is the second Happy New Year you're gonna get. I like saying Happy New Year to people. What do you think the cutoff date is? The 20th?

[A]

I think it's after January.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I think January is the new year. Yeah. Although everything else can just suck a bag of dicks. February. You know, I'm just kidding. Actually, February. February is my. My wife's birthday, so I can't say suck a bag of dicks.

[B]

When I. When I was younger, like, a year and a half ago, I used to love to.

[A]

When you were a year younger, but I used to.

[B]

I used to love to say, like, eat the bag. Like, when a friend would eat the.

[A]

Bag, take the bag and eat it.

[B]

I'm not gonna say the full sentence.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

But when someone would give me shit, like a bite. Eat a bag of. You know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Why is that funny?

[A]

I don't know. So, Brentano.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very good friend, Joshua Brentano, who's the executive producer of Attack of the show, and you've known him for longer than me, but he had this thing that he would do with our other buddy Vinny, and he told me about it, and it became this thing that I now do with Heather, which is the best. Which is you try to figure out the most meandering way you could possibly have to saying that statement. So what I'll do is if she says something that, like, upsets me jokingly, I'll go, ooh, you know what? Could you do me a huge favor?

[B]

Just consume.

[A]

Would you go into the kitchen and under the sink, in the back, behind paper towels, there's a bag. I want you to get that bag, fill that bag with dicks, and suck.

[B]

That bag of dicks.

[A]

But it's.

[B]

But the best. But the best is how long we will go five Minutes? No, no, no, no. We went from eat to suck. Why are you telling your wife to suck a bag like, eat? I get it's protein, but, like, it.

[A]

Could be chicken dicks.

[B]

No, but I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, you told there's a bag of assorted. Assorted dicks. Multicultural. Why don't you just go suck them all? That is not the thing again.

[A]

The joke is how long you.

[B]

I draw a joke, but let's stick with eat instead of suck, okay?

[A]

I don't know. I never. I was always. It was always suck.

[B]

Was it always suck?

[A]

Yeah, suck.

[B]

Mine was always eat, but also, like.

[A]

What does that even mean at this point? It's like, there are certain things in our life that just don't mean anything, right? It's just a garbledygook, gibberish way of saying, you know, screw you for that comment. Oh, my God.

[B]

We're not even drinking. I've just had too much caffeine already.

[A]

I know. I will say now 20 days in feel pretty good.

[B]

You're looking pale.

[A]

I know. My body is like, where am I getting my nutrient? Oh, I'm not eating.

[B]

So how does it feel? Like, have you had any withdrawals? Not really withdrawal when you're drinking. Let's just call it eight drinks a night. How do you not get withdrawals?

[A]

You know, the funny thing is, like. Like I said on the. On the 4th, I had been sick, and so. So I didn't. You know, I was. I was sick, so it was like I didn't feel good. And not that I go through that. Just withdrawals may very well have extended it for sure. But. No, the funny thing is that I've been going to bed way earlier. Like, I've been sleeping a lot, and I don't know if that's good or bad.

[B]

Your liver just like, yeah. Vacation time.

[A]

Jesus. Let's just recharge. Vacation time. You better get ready. It's coming. We're coming for you.

[B]

See, that's the. Honestly, that is the sl. So a few of my friends. I have one. Well, I had a podcast with him, Jason DeFilippo, where we talked about. He joined AAA and all this stuff around it. Yeah. Yeah. And he says the number one thing that people. What happens, how people die, that do AA and then leave and then how they die. How do they die? And I always thought, like, they just went back to being alcoholics and eventually they died. Right? They tend to die really fast, and it's because they were sober for so long. They think they can handle what they used to be able to handle, and then they hit a hard night, and that actually is poisoning, and they die from it.

[A]

So a lot of the drug overdoses of. Of famous people, like Philip Seymour Hoffman, a lot of those are the same exact thing. It's just heroin. Not alcohol, but it's that thing.

[B]

I've never tried heroin.

[A]

I don't. I don't. I'm not a big druggie guy, like, even.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think I did I ever tried to talk to you. I tried to talk you into doing weed a lot. But you did it one time, right?

[A]

I sort of. It's just not my buzz, man. Heather got this thing called Willy's.

[B]

That was a very weedy, like, way to say it, by the way.

[A]

It's just not my drug, man.

[B]

It's not my thing, cocaine or bust.

[A]

I just don't think it's dope. No, no. God, I've never. I literally, like, the only thing I've done is a pot. Periodically. Not even periodically. Like, twice. And it just. I'm like, yeah, I just want wine. I want my boobs.

[B]

I don't like it either, but I used to when I was younger, and it's like, I just. I just feel like I'm too old now. I don't know. Something. Something about it just doesn't give me the same kind of like. Eh.

[A]

So Heather bought that Willie's remedy, which is the Willie Nelson booze replacement thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

THC thing. Because she thought she was gonna be joining me for dry January. She's not. Oh, but that's all right. She's cool. Don't. No.

[B]

Damn. Sure damn damp January for her.

[A]

Yeah, it's January for her.

[B]

Is it raining?

[A]

Yeah, every night. And her sister's in town is so hard for you. You know, it's not. Oh, no. I'm at this, like, very Zen point where, like, I just, you know, I go a February 1st.

[B]

I just want to swing by your house for a night, just see how you're doing.

[A]

Oh, I'm going to be able. Yeah, we might go to. We might go to the uk and if we do, I'm going to be like, is it. Is it. We have a. Maybe have a party on Saturday night, the 31st. I think that'll be like, oh, well, it's. I made it. Yeah, it's British.

[B]

I mean, there's a lot of months that are only 30 days.

[A]

This is true. This is true. Hey, speaking of exciting things that'll happen In February.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

One of the exciting things that happened in January is. Drumroll, please. You may have heard Digg has officially launched into open public beta, as well as allowing people to create and maintain their own communities on the site, which has been amazing. One of the things that I think is very, very smart that you guys did, which I think is genius, is you can only create two communities.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So essentially it makes you go, okay, what are the communities that a don't exist? But I definitely want them to exist. So much so that I'm willing to be the sort of main moderator to begin with. I started Slash cooking, which I'm very excited about, and some of the other ones that I've joined and I'm very excited about. Slash Dodgers, huge Dodger Fan that was created by Dr. Warface. And of course I was like, I almost created this on the day on Wednesday when everything was happening. But I was like, nah, we'll wait. Electric Vehicles started by Jellyfish, which is one of. And one of the articles for today is actually from Jellyfish.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

In the Electric Vehicles, my two were slash Japan. Oh, yes.

[B]

And then Slash Meditation.

[A]

Well, very nice.

[B]

Yeah. And I will say, for those of you into this type of material, OnlyFans is only. It's only fans.

[A]

It's only fans.

[B]

Literally all types of fans. Like fans you can buy at Costco, hand fans, fans that blow at different capacities. That didn't sound right. But okay, if you're listening to audio only, we are talking about spinning blade based machines.

[A]

Oh, I like this one.

[B]

Yeah, it's a beautiful fan.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, you know what those are called? That's called a Big Ass Fan. That's literally the name the company makes really.

[B]

Called Big Ass Fans. I mean, that's like just a good naming. Yeah, it's a great name. Big Ass Fan.

[A]

I mean it says it right in the middle. Big Ass Fan.

[B]

Yeah, there it is.

[A]

I mean, if you're gonna be on Only Fans and you want some big ass fan.

[B]

Rule 37.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Isn't that it?

[A]

34.

[B]

34. Okay.

[A]

Rule 37 is different. We shouldn't talk about that one.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

That's a little.

[B]

So check out the communities and please know, very important caveat here. Early days here. We want to add co. Moderation. We want to add. I will say the one thing I am very proud of is moderation is transparent. Unlike other big social platforms, you get to see what's happening. And in a perfect world, kind of where I see the tea leaves going and where I'd like to see this eventually go. And I'll talk to Justin about this because we'll have to film the roadmap whatnot. But. But honestly, what we want to do is like, you have these principles that a community should be run by, and we have those today. And then if there is a way to see and understand, is our post actually aligning with those principles.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so, you know, I think AI on Digg is a very tricky and sensitive topic. Some people are like, keep AI out of Digg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's humans only. And other people are like, I. You know, it's kind of cool when Grok answers posts on X and that would be kind of cool to get some insights there. So there's all these different perspectives. One thing I do believe to be true is that if you just give AI the power just to be like a little friend on the side, being like, hey, I've looked at the community rules. Hey, I've looked at this content. I kind of think it should be maybe banned, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As a way to help inform the moderator. That sounds exciting to me. So anyway, there's a lot of ideas. I'm not going to say it's going to be built or when it's going to be launched, but there's a lot of ideas here. And this is the very early innings. We just wanted to get the open taxonomy out there. And then next is all of the meat that's gonna make this uniquely ours and different and robust. Robust, yeah. So that's coming.

[A]

I love it. Now, speaking of the opposite of that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

First story of the day. Well, there goes the Metaverse. This was submitted by Jeremy K. Well, there goes the Metaverse.

[B]

I called this shit years ago, dude. So stupid.

[A]

So for those of you who remember, back in, I believe it was 2021, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg decided to change the company name of Facebook Inc. To Meta. And the reason why he did that was because he was going all in on the metaverse. Well, it looks like we can finally officially say please. That's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It was. It was never a good idea. And now it's definitely not a good idea. So Meta has been starting to close out. Cause they were acquiring VR companies left, right, and sideways. I mean, this was their big. Their big bet was, you know, the Oculus. I mean, they bought the Oculus from Palmer Lackey. Palmer Lackey. Right.

[B]

Palmer Luckey.

[A]

Luckey. Lackey.

[B]

Luckey. Palmer Luckey.

[A]

Anyway, yeah, they bought it from Palmer and they really decided. They were like, we're gonna Go all in on. Yeah, lucky. Oh, that's interesting. I don't know why. Oh, I have my buddy Reza Lackey, so Lackey's like a blast name. I don't know. Anyway, all of this meandering is to say they, you know, announcements of stage demos of him having conversations as his little me version of himself. Weird play. I mean, he just, it was so cringy to watch him try to make it feel like this was a thing and that everybody's gonna be happy about it. One of the things in this article that made me go like, oh, that's interesting. I'd not really connected that in my brain, which was the kids coming up nowadays have their social interactions on Minecraft, on Roblox, on these, on Fortnite, where they're not on Instagram, they're not on X, they're not like, you know, that's not where they're having their social interactions. That to me was the first time I realized, oh, I understand why they were chasing this was to basically go, hey, you're not on Instagram as much. You're in Roblox. Let's make meta. Roblox meets Instagram for kids. At least I kind of can get that that's where they were trying to go. But I just feel like forcing it to be VR. Like I just, I also feel this way about ar. Like, I just don't know if this is a thing that they want it to be. Whereas like with AI, I'm like, I get it. Like, I see it, I see, you know, I don't think it's gonna be like, you know, making movie. You know, I don't think you're gonna sit down in the Marvel AI and say, I would like to see Iron man fight the Hulk. And that, that's gonna be your movie entertainment. Like, I don't think we're go to that place. But I can see at least the thing of like, yeah, people are gonna be using this in their day to day life whether they know it or not. I mean, they're probably already doing it whether they know it or not.

[B]

What's that? Which one?

[A]

AI.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But like with this VR stuff, I was always like, it's a novelty, it's fun. I loved being in VR. It's really fun. But I would always take my VR headset off and be like, Jesus Christ, my eyes. You know what I mean?

[B]

Well, people got nauseous and all kinds of things happen, dude.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

But the also thing is, like, when I think about great products and Kind of where we're trending in terms of attention span. Like one of the things that we've talked about recently and we've seen this, I think it was who said it. Somebody just a couple days ago came out, another actor, and said, hey, I got this new script and I had to restate the plot like 30 times over because people are on their phones and second device.

[A]

The second strain thing.

[B]

Yeah, you can't really.

[A]

Oh, it was Matt Damon.

[B]

It was Matt Damon.

[A]

Yeah, Talking about the rip.

[B]

Exactly. So there's this like. As attention spans are decreasing in the sense of satisfaction and gratification has to be faster and faster. The last thing someone wants is a five minute setup of a VR headset on their head. Even to begin with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that experience has to be. And this is for all products, and this has always been true. In order for something to hit scale and to replace its predecessor, it has to be at least an order of magnitude better for them to say, ah, I'm done with that old thing. I'm going to move to this thing. Right. And so when 3D TVs came out and we had those little glasses that we put on, we were like kind of cool, but not 10x cool. And so I'm not going to use that. And all of a sudden those all went away. And so the same thing with VR, you're like, oh, wow. Like, everything looks a little bit different. This is kind of cool. Kinda. Kinda? It can't be kinda. Yeah, it has to be. Holy shit. Everything has changed. I will never go back to ever playing a video game on any other thing other than VR. And that was never the case.

[A]

No, never.

[B]

And then ar, it's like, what, what? Do I look around right here and.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, what piece of information is not floating in front of your face?

[B]

Wait, wait, is that a laptop?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's like, what do we. What do we look around at during the day and are just like, I wish I knew more about that thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, maybe if I'm in like a France and I like, look at a building, I'm like, how was that building? But like, now I can just open my phone and be like, what was that building?

[A]

Yeah. If you were in France and you.

[B]

Were like, where am I? It's so true. Now are we wrong or.

[A]

You're absolutely right. I always think of you.

[B]

Wait, who is this with Mao? Sorry, I wish I had my ar.

[A]

I needed to see your contact information floating around your head. You ran into this when you're interviewing something. I think you'd end up with people, basically with the AR saying, what do I say?

[B]

Give me my prompter.

[A]

What do I say?

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

100%. Like, just. Just like, gaming, social activity. So I went. I went to. I went to the San Diego Zoo, but it's not the zoo, it's there. Safari park. Safari park. You get back to drink your brain. I was like, should I say who it was that I was with? But I was like, no, I'm not going. But anyway, we were given a behind the scenes tour of the San Diego Wild Animal park, which was awesome. We got to meet, like, lemurs and shit and it was super fun.

[B]

Who are you with now?

[A]

Right, but the guy. No, but the guy who was. Who graciously brought us, had the Google Glass.

[B]

Wait, they don't even make those anymore.

[A]

This was a long time ago.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

This was like, almost 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It was the weirdest fucking experience.

[B]

I know, dude. I have one of those because here's.

[A]

Four of us all, like, meeting, like, the oldest turtle in the world and feeding him lettuce. And there was just this guy standing there awkwardly staring at it and then staring off into the distance and then staring back at the turtle and like, doing stuff on it. And it was just like, that dude is not here.

[B]

He died.

[A]

No, that dude is having a whole other experience that you're not privy to. And it's not fun, it's not interesting. This is like the most awkward exchange.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I can't imagine that's going to be everybody. And by the way, felt like this guy is not enjoying the fact that we are, like, petting, you know, ocelots and shit, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, have you not run into that with Meta. Meta Ray Bans? I don't really have. I don't know if I've ever met, like, seen any of my friends with that. I have a pair I got from my little sister and I wore them once.

[B]

Addison does love.

[A]

I was about to say, I just noticed Addison has them all the time and he seems to be always, always be present.

[B]

But it did change.

[A]

I was like, oh, but again, he's not.

[B]

He's not using them 90% of the time.

[A]

But also, those aren't the ones with the screen. Right. So those are the ones where they basically whisper AI things into your ears.

[B]

Well, he likes it for listening to music because you can't hear anything else.

[A]

No, I know.

[B]

And it kind of like.

[A]

No, it's really good. I remember I'VE had a couple when I first had them, and I was like, asking things. Although then it's just weird. And it's like having one airpod in and just asking Siri stuff and just, like, just so weird.

[B]

It's. There's a really interesting. I'm going to paraphrase here, but there was a Zen master by the name of Thich Nhat Hanh who I'm sure you probably heard of Thich Nhat Hanh.

[A]

Of course. Are you serious? My favorite.

[B]

Shut up. I mean, you have Mao, right?

[A]

No. What? Thich Nhat Hanh has no one.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

We are not Zen people.

[B]

Okay. Well, I mean, he's, like, very famous Zen master, but anyway, so Chich Nhat Hanh. I'm paraphrasing here, but yes. Okay, thank you.

[A]

I have phenomenal books. I have no idea who that is.

[B]

Yeah, great books. Miracle of Mindfulness is fantastic book.

[A]

Anyway, I mean, you should. I would like to get into mindfulness.

[B]

Oh, good. Well, then you should pick up Miracle of Mindfulness by Thich Nhat. It's one of the best books ever.

[A]

Look, this is great.

[B]

Okay, so Thich Nhat Hanh, he's passed away, but back in the day. No, no, not deep. I mean, he's probably somewhere else now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the one thing that he said, and I'm paraphrasing here, he said, like, people ask them about, like, being, like, these gurus, like, ones that can, like, walk on water and, like, float in the air or, like, you know, like mystical, like, crazy superpower kind of stuff. And he said, that is not the miracle. The real miracle is to walk on the Earth. And the meaning there is, like, the miracle is, are my feet on the ground and am I even aware of that moment? You know? And all these devices, they're taking us out of what's actually happening. And if you really think about it, what a fucking unbelievable thing that we're even witnessing what we're witnessing right now, that we are rendering this in real time in our head. Amazing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yet we're chasing all these other things. Give me a different angle. Give me a different information. Give me more, give me more. And it's like, no. Where are my feet right now? Can I be here right now? That is the power.

[A]

It's so interesting. There was a. I heard this guy talking about the fact of, like, how miraculous and infinitesimally small a chance that we, like, the three of us get to exist on this planet at the exact same moment.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, that that happened is like, the chances of that happening is so infinitesimally small that, like, we should appreciate the fact that, like, hey, we get to ride this planet ball with the three of us.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Could have been totally other people. Most likely would have been other people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, that's. That's one of those things that we just don't really appreciate for the most part.

[B]

Oh, my God. Where's my phone? It's downstairs.

[A]

Call somebody. God damn it.

[B]

It's in my backpack downstairs.

[A]

What are you trying to.

[B]

I have something so important to show you.

[A]

Oh, I want to cut in it.

[B]

I wanted to show you this one clip because this is exactly what you're talking about. Here's my backpack. I love it.

[A]

It's very nice.

[B]

It's very nice. It's a company called Hard Graph. They make really good graft graph.

[A]

Hard Graph.

[B]

Yeah. They make very good, high quality materials. And they are sponsor t. Wouldn't it be great if I just roll into a sponsor of the episode? No, they actually make great stuff. And it's like not crazy expensive, but it's not crazy cheap, but it's not crazy expensive.

[A]

Okay. It's just medium.

[B]

Yeah, medium. This, dude, this is everything. And we'll put this on the video. And speaking of this stuff. Hold on, Mal, you're mad. I always feel like Mal's like watching me being like, how long is this going to take? Okay, it's true.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

Dead air. This is dead air.

[A]

Okay, Is that.

[B]

Watch this.

[C]

The meaning of life. I'll do it in five words. Okay. Enjoying the passage of time.

[A]

That's it. It's.

[C]

Enjoying the passage of time.

[A]

It's.

[C]

It's. The chances of us being here now are so small. The chances of us existing. It's. It's almost, you know, if you look at the. If you look at the stats, the. It's not just our parents had to get together at that moment, but their.

[B]

Parent, their parents, their parents.

[C]

Going back billion years. As we climbed out of the soup, the chances of this happening are incalculable. And yet we're here and we have this shot and we're breathing and we're healthy and we're. This is incredible. Enjoying the passage of time is about. It's about all I got. And it's enough.

[A]

That's so interesting because that's essentially what I've always said to Heather and I probably have said it on the show potentially many times, which is the only thing I can think of as, like, what. Why we are here is to enjoy the Life that we have to enjoy the moments that we have. That, like, when you get mired down in the stuff that you don't enjoy, it's like, you gotta change that shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause you only get one. Right. I mean, one of the guys said he was like, you know, life isn't a dress rehearsal, so you better get it right the first time.

[B]

But also, it's just. So I'll add two things that I like on top of that. 100% agree. And for me, it is curiosity. Perpetual curiosity. So, like, this is ours to explore. Everything. Every angle, every aspect. Find your thing. What is it that you're most curious about that you want to. And play. And play. And then lastly, you have to understand that failure is just bullshit.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because failure is just. The only thing it is, is admitting that you've learned something new.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And it should not be frowned upon at all. It means you tried something. Yeah. And that's fun. And who cares? And just keep doing that over and over again.

[A]

John Cleese has a great comment about that, which was. He was like, monty Python would not exist if we didn't allow ourselves to fail. Yeah. Because comedy, you can't. You can't not fail at comedy and do comedy correctly. And I've always thought about that.

[B]

That's a great point. Because a lot of the comedians, they play these little tiny venues, like, the big ones.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[B]

Because they gotta try it out and they're failing over and over and over again. Yeah. Ye.

[A]

I mean, literally, like, if you saw. And by the way, even the good material night to night won't hit the right way. And they'll have the same material that kills one night, the next day will just fail miserably. And they just gotta ride through it because they gotta go, I know. This is good stuff. It just didn't connect with this audience.

[B]

Yeah. Well, also, it's just like the world is changing. Real time. Who knows how the emotions of the people coming into the room are feeling based on outside factors that you have no control over?

[A]

That's why I love doing improv versus standup. I've done standup a couple times. I don't like the fact that I can't go, but I just made it up. Like, when I'm doing improv, for me, if somebody doesn't laugh at something, I have feel zero pressure. Cause I go, dude, I just made that shit up.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I don't. I'm not precious with it. I just pulled that out of my ass. Like, you should get up and try this. It's tough, you know what I mean? But then when you have those miracle moments where, like, you say something in that right moment and the whole audience just loses their shit, that high is nothing comparable.

[B]

Oh, so for me, it's that. That. That is so. That to the point of finding your thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is a thing for you.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

My high is regardless of whether the company is a success or failure, when I get people saying, hey, I used that thing and I loved it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then that hits 100. A thousand. Doesn't even matter. A hundred thousand. And that happens. That's my.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It feels good. You know, And I think everybody can find that for themselves.

[A]

They have to. They should.

[B]

Y.

[A]

What the goal should be. Go find that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, well, sorry, Meta.

[B]

Sorry you didn't find me.

[A]

You got to go try to find another one. I'm sure Zuck is crying himself to sleep in one of his places that he lives.

[B]

Okay. All right, let's talk real quick about the compound engineering.

[A]

Oh, yeah, speaking of something that you found that makes you happy and exciting.

[B]

Yeah. So this is crazy. You know, I've been doing this quote unquote vibe coding thing for the last year or so, and if you look at my GitHub commits, meaning that's just a. It shows your activity of how active you are in producing new code. There was this big tranche of code about eight months ago that was doing a bunch of stuff, and I was like, eh, it's not quite there. Then there was this dead period of another three or four months. Models got better. And then I started doing it again, and now it's just this deep green, which means you've been doing a lot of activity on there. And when I was using cursor in the top tier models, I would say, as long as you have a good plan in place, my code quality was like, I probably put around 80% in terms of actually getting my ideas to actual code that could be somewhat shippable and actually turn something into a product every six months, or used to be every six months. I'd have my mind blown and be like, well, man, now I have to think about the world entirely differently. And then that's been compressed down, like, every three months. And then just last week, a little behind on this because this was a thing a few weeks prior to there was a new tool that came out called compound engineering. That is a plugin for Claude code. Yeah, it is just taking me from that kind of 80% world of code. Quality, I'd say probably 95%. It has changed just everything. Now I can have multiple projects being developed with a high level of confidence of actually being able to ship something. There's security audits that are being done in real time. Like, it is just. It is beautiful. And so the quick little TL doctor without getting too geeky for those that aren't into this, is that everyone has probably seen this when you use AI where you have a context window. So when you're chatting with AI and you're like, hey, let's talk about the history of the warriors basketball team. And you start talking about it and you go on for a half day and then all of a sudden it's. It starts to forget stuff. And that's because the context window is getting exhausted and then things are kind of falling off the end. And then sometimes it has to open up a new context window or in the coding side, it'll compress down kind of what it thinks it knows about what you were talking about and bring that forward. And that's very lossy. And so you lose a lot of information during that process.

[A]

Constantly having to re educate itself on what you guys are doing.

[B]

Exactly. So what this has done is it's kind of created this orchestrator architecture where it breaks everything into these small subtasks that have their full context window so they can do their best work. And then also it does this compounding thing where it's able to compound that information down in a way that is much tighter and more dense and reusable so that it doesn't always have to get up to speed every time you start a new conversation.

[A]

So it's designing a secondary computer to computer language to remind itself what it's up to.

[B]

Yes. And cross communication between context windows that have the full space. So I'll tell you one other quick little thing. Imagine this window of memory. And so when it gets to about 80% full, the AI is saying to itself internally, it's not saying this externally, but they kind of figured this out. It's saying, ah, shit, I'm about to run out of memory.

[A]

And I ain't done yet.

[B]

And I'm not done yet. And so I need to start doing my work as fast as possible, which means that the code quality would go down. And so now they figured that out. This as it is a plugin today, but I have no doubt the underpinnings and architectural thinking here will be just.

[A]

Baked into these big tools.

[B]

So if you go and install this plugin for Claude code I have a whole on. I posted this on Digg, a link to it and we'll have video support soon on Digg. But the full video actually links to my X profile, where the full video is there. It's a 25 minute tutorial on how to get this working for yourself. Watch it at 2x and just hit pause when you need to and you can really. I truly built an entire front end Twitter clone in about 20 minutes using this whole thing.

[A]

Honestly, like, functional. I was literally yesterday at a coffee talking about how I'm gonna have to take over some code for a project I'm working on. And I was like. I mean, I got cursor. I was like, I was gonna move it into cursor and just see how it went.

[B]

I don't even use cursor anymore.

[A]

The fact that we sat down and you were like, dude, this new thing. I'm literally gonna go home from this taping, watch this video, and then start importing the new code into it. And I'm super excited to see where it takes us.

[B]

I know we have a lot of geeks watching this show. And if you have yet to dip into coding, now is the time. Just watch this little video and just dream up anything. Your own little personal CRM, whatever. Like a workout app. Like anything that you just sort of like. Ah, it'd be nice if I had this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You will be pleasantly surprised at what this thing can do. And this is not Bolt. This is not replit. This is not lovable. Those are nice little like one shotters. Where like you. They're more than one shotters, but one shot. I mean, like you type in one thing, builds the entire thing. Those are good. This is great. So excited for people to try it out. Mal, you haven't tried it out yet though, right?

[A]

I haven't. Wait, you're not using cursor anymore at all?

[B]

No, I don't need to. That's crazy because I just use plug code and it just does everything. I use VS code largely, and that's Microsoft's. Just Cursor is based off of VS code and VS code is their open source is like coding environment because it doesn't have all this shit put into it. It's just. I just need to look the files.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I can see the diffs and the changes and all that. But when I'm looking at the files there.

[A]

So you're back in VS code.

[B]

You're just. Yeah, I know it's embarrassing, but I am.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

But I Gotta tell you, this is no shade on cursor, because I have no doubt that in two weeks I'll be like, remember how I said I wasn't using cursor?

[A]

They'll figure out their version of context. Of course, of course.

[B]

And so they'll have something that will leapfrog and I'll be like, cursor's where it's at. Like.

[A]

But that's the nature of. Not lost on right now. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, no, it's, it's really, it's really interesting. And the funny thing is, is that it's first off back to what you're saying, if you have something that you're like, oh, it would be great if I had X, Y and Z. That's the way to make the best products.

[B]

Oh, 100%.

[A]

The whole thing is the best products on the planet was made to solve a single person's issue that it turns out the majority of the people on the planet have.

[B]

And, you know, I'll add on to that. You know why that's so very important? Because. Because it's a personal pain point and it's something you deeply care about. When the times are tough, and there will be tough times, you will still have enough passion and drive to work on it.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You know, because it's never just us. People think of, they. They see these startups that, you know, are billion dollar plus valuations, they think of as just like this straight, beautiful line.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's a freaking roller coaster with loop de loops and all kinds of emotional things going on. So you have to have that personal drive and passion, otherwise you'll be like, eh, I'm done. Yeah, I had too many roadblocks. I'm off to them.

[A]

Yeah. Oh my gosh. All right, well, shall we talk about quickly, some sponsors?

[B]

Well, this is, it's. Yeah, we did not plan all these sponsors to be tied to stories, but Whisper Flow is something that I use a hundred percent. At least. At least. I don't know, at least 200 times a day. I'm not even joking.

[A]

Right before we went live.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not even joking. So this is a dictation tool that is AI powered and if you see me glance down, it's because there's some notes here about it. But I don't even need the notes because I use it so freaking much. The thing I like about it is that you hold down the little function key on your Mac or it works with Windows and everything else too, and mobile. And when you hold it down, it launches this little tiny, like little volume type, little indicator at the bottom. And then you just start talking to it. And it's not only is it dictation because you think of like, oh, I've had dictation before. I've, like, talked to, like, speak or whatever. Naturally speaking. Yeah, yeah. That was back in the day.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like way back. Two people are like, ha, ha ha. That was like 20 years ago.

[A]

One dude still got his headset on that embodiment with it.

[B]

So Whisper flow, the cool thing about it is, like, you can say to it, hey, I'm thinking about coding my app in this way. Actually, you know what? What I really mean is. And it understands that I kind of backtracked and it cuts all that out and it puts it together in a clean and concise way in a very smart way that doesn't ruin the meaning and it only does it every so often, but in a way where I'm like, ah, that is actually what I meant to say. And it just cut out the filler words. So anyway, you can use it as an email. Slack Docs. It's available on Mac, Windows, iPhone. It is just. It is also an important note here. It has very good privacy controls. And you can actually just actually what's called whisper flow. So you can actually whisper to it as well.

[A]

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[B]

Exactly. Only fans.

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I want to make it this shade of blue and do blah, blah. And I wouldn't want to type all that out anyway. That's what it does. Check it out.

[A]

All right, let's talk about monarch money. It's 2026, people. We all have goals for the New Year's. We actually haven't. Heather and I haven't sat down and done our New Year's resolutions to make money. My goal is to make money with AI and it's going great.

[B]

With your trading agent.

[A]

With my trading agent, which, by the way, will be connected to Monarch Money. It is so easy to get lost in the weeds of your finances. I mean, you have accounts over here, accounts over there. You maybe had a job for a year and it gave you some weird IRA thing that you totally forget and you don't remember it. And 20 years later, you're like, what is that even account? It's tough. But Monarch money makes it simple and brings everything into one place. And for 2026, now's the time to get control of your finances. You can set budgets for 2026 that feel realistic. You can use a common dashboard that helps share amongst partners. Like, I can have a dashboard that then Heather has access to. And so we can know what's going on with our global finances as well as our personal finances. And it's built for people with busy lives. You can link accounts in minutes. It's super fast. You can get one clear dashboard. It automatically categorizes stuff. That's one of the biggest tough things.

[B]

Oh, it's the best.

[A]

And it just like, it's all good, actually.

[B]

It makes that noise.

[A]

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[B]

I know you're a voice actor.

[A]

I am.

[B]

You've done that in the past.

[A]

I have done that in the past.

[B]

And I will say to any AI companies out there, you may have not heard what he just did there. Can you do the blue thing again if you need like an AI thinking mode?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That'S a great one.

[A]

I would be like, oh, it's working.

[B]

Only 10 grand.

[A]

10 grand a session.

[B]

Wait, let me try, let me try it out. What's the current score of the warriors game? Dude, that's great. That would be huge.

[A]

You would totally use that. I would totally be like, man, this thing is really thinking.

[B]

Oh good, we gotta record that and put that on. Dig somewhere as like a turn on option for when you invoke AI at something.

[A]

Oh, God. Checking.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right, next story. Analysts say Apple's foldable iPhone could launch in 2026, but widespread shipments may not hit until 2027. This was submitted by Shetty.

[B]

Shetty spelled S H E. Shee D. She died. That's shitty.

[A]

Sheddy is what I said. Sheedy.

[B]

Sheedy.

[A]

S H E D I I kind of cool. It could be Shed two.

[B]

I like the double.

[A]

I could be Shed two. Yep, Shed two. So here's the thing. Shed the second.

[B]

Shed the second.

[A]

Ah, Young. The young apprentice of Shed, the man who created the Internet. Shed two. Shed the second. This is the. Yeah, it's the second skin. Shedding. Anyway, all this is to say I wanted to talk about the potential. We have been, it has been rumored for years and years the potential of a foldable iPhone. When I first heard about this, I went, I don't need this. And then I started talking and then.

[B]

You thought to yourself, I really don't need this.

[A]

I really don't need this. But then I was like, no, I don't need this. Yes. No. I started talking to some friends and my buddy said something that made me go, oh, okay, I get this. Which is if my phone could be a phone in my pocket when I'm out of the house and when I sit down on the couch, it turns into my iPad mini. That would be a good thing. And I went, yeah, that would be a good thing.

[B]

But at the same time you have an iPad mini, right?

[A]

But I don't. But if I don't, let's say I go on vacation, right? I'm not gonna take my iPad mini for the most part. Cause why? I'm just thinking like, you take your phone out and you're like, phone, phone, phone, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, just phone. And then all of a sudden you're.

[B]

Like on the extra weight the entire time.

[A]

But is it gonna be that much more heavy?

[B]

I mean, it's gonna be at least some heavier.

[A]

I mean, I get where you're talking about physics.

[B]

I will say I did see the Google phone, which is the latest kind of like Cool. The picture.

[A]

The one that. With the three.

[B]

When you. No, no, I didn't see the three.

[A]

There's a three. That was ces was three.

[B]

I know, I know. The foldable phone thing. I want when you, when you hold one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you see the real estate, you're like, oh, that's nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you're like, well, I'll should send a text message. You open up. It's like there's like bigger text message area. I'm like, I just don't see.

[A]

Yeah. But then you just fold it closed. Now you're on regular text message. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

To read the answer and then close it.

[B]

Yeah, I will again.

[A]

I don't know if I need it, but it's interesting.

[B]

The one thing I think that is the coolest thing that Apple has done recently. I got the new iPad. Cause my old one was kind of dead.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I got the bigger one and it's really thin. And I got the new keyboard that comes with it and everything. And do you know they now allow like tiled windows, Windows floating over windows. Ooh. Yeah. And they give you a real mouse cursor.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And it. Dude, it feels like Mac os.

[A]

Interesting. It's insane, huh?

[B]

It is like I would have literally believed like I'm in inside of like a full on Mac os. Yes. Because I have multiple windows sitting on top of each other and everything. It's worth trying. That was a cool unlock. But you can't run certain things still. But that's where they're going. That OS actually is better than macOS. Like if you look at the way they do their minimizing and everything and the way the dock appears.

[A]

So you think at some point they're just going to kind of merge 100%.

[B]

And I hope it's the IPADOs that takes over because just the usability of it all is way better than what we have on macOS. I don't know. Mal thoughts. Have you played with it? It's great.

[A]

It feels like. Remember netbooks were a thing where it was kind of a full computer but really couldn't do all the things. And it was like connected. The Internet was just on 2G or whatever it was, or Ltd or whatever. Yeah, I remember those. But unfortunately that means it's just a netbook. Not quite as powerful as like my MacBook Pro.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I can't imagine people editing like doing like hardcore editing software and stuff on an iPad. But maybe, I mean.

[B]

Oh, dude, the chips are getting better.

[A]

I Know this is true. It's always about the chips. It's always about the chips.

[B]

We shall see.

[A]

All right, next story, next story of.

[B]

The day is going to be, well, this one's kind of crazy. A company called Humans and which was founded by ex anthropic XAI and Google staff. Oh, they're building a collaborative AI which sounds cool.

[A]

Whatever. Yeah, yeah, whatever that is.

[B]

Seed round of financing.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, seed round is like a couple hundred grand.

[B]

Maybe make a million bucks, maybe two, depending on how big your team is and all that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

$480 million seed round with evaluation right out of the gate of 4.48 billion.

[A]

That is ridiculous.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

Isn't it?

[B]

No, it is, yes.

[A]

I was like, you should know.

[B]

No, it's actually, I mean, this is.

[A]

Where, like, why didn't they call that a series C or F? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's like, it is crazy to me to think that, well, this, it comes down to this. We are in a world where there are a handful of people that are.

[A]

At leading edge of AI, but also.

[B]

They just have the skill set and the mind that is one that can rethink how the foundational models function. And that is a very specialized skill set of maybe call it 200 people in the world probably have that are kind of at that level to be able to commit serious new logic for how you build that foundational learning. And so those people are at a premium. That's why Zuck is paying, you know, bonuses of tens of millions just to join the team. Because it's not just like it's an engineer, it's not like you graduate school. And they're like, oh, cool, let me give you $10 million to come join. Yeah. You have to have this very specific skill set. And apparently whoever they put together warranted this type of valuation.

[A]

I mean, ex anthropic, ex x, x, AI x Google. I mean, even if it's five or 10 of those people from all those and they were senior level people or at least known in the world to be high level people. Like, I get it. The thing for me would be, what was the pitch?

[B]

That's why I gotta meet these guys. So if you like, what was the thing that they're gonna be, I gotta go and meet these guys. So humans go back and tell us. I will. Well, I won't. They probably.

[A]

I will. I mean, I won't.

[B]

They probably won't allow me to tell you, but they would just tell me, I want to meet them and find out what the pitch is because I'm really curious. I believe something because it's gotta be.

[A]

Really different than what's happening.

[B]

I'm a huge fan of thinking through this intersection of social, collaborative AI And I have some prototypes of things that I've been thinking about. And I would love more people to work with me in that arena. And I gotta meet them just. Cause there's very few people thinking about what that means. Because it's a very tricky thing because it can feel super creepy, weird, not trustworthy.

[A]

There's a third person in the conversation that you don't really trust.

[B]

Exactly. And everything I've seen right now has been, we're gonna bolt on AI and it'll just be like, hey, ready, how you doing? And I'm like, that's not it. No. And so it's.

[A]

These guys must have something.

[B]

Must have something.

[A]

They must have at least a.

[B]

Take, at least a good pitch deck.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I want to see the pitch deck. I got 20 bucks.

[B]

It's like, you get the pitch deck. Alex has raised $500 million at a 5 billion dollar post. You're like, I just modified pitch deck.

[A]

Collaborative bi. Just change one letter in the picture.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

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[B]

You know, I was sober for six months and then I'm not. I'm being. I. I hate to always have to do this. It's a thing in my own head because I feel like people are gonna be like, you're being paid to say that. I had Zbiotics because we did the dig launch thing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

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[A]

I did too. I had one, honestly. Yeah, it's the best.

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[B]

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[A]

They're great.

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[A]

So great.

[B]

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[A]

Oh.

[B]

And they've added something called Cowork. Have you messed around with this?

[A]

No, no, I've already.

[B]

Oh dude, this is sweet. So essentially what they have is they have kind of file level access to your computer and you can come in and I mean the interface is beautiful. You can have it do all different types of things. It can organize your files locally, it can create prep for a meeting, it can tie into your calendar, your Gmail, all that thing. Think of this as just like once everything is tied in and you need a dashboard to work with AI, that's what this co working space is like. And then they added Claude code built in here as well. So now Claude code is in preview but it's also built into the Claude desktop app and you can tie it directly to GitHub and then start coding directly from here, which is a lot of fun. It's early days here, but they're doing a lot of tweaks on it was really interesting. Shout out to Anthropic because there was something. Well, is it kind of a. It's a.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Well, I don't want to seem like it's a Flex, but it was very kind of them. One of their engineers and product designers there I had a chat with, I was like, hey, wouldn't it be cool if you know, Anthropic had this as part of their desktop app. And he texted me back at 6:30 that night, was like, it's shipped. We already shipped it today. Like it's in the app and like the feature that I wanted was in the freaking desktop app the same day. No, but what's really interesting about this is like what I love and this is the future of companies and the way Diggs should work as well is the rapid iteration of this company and the changes that you're seeing when you install this is just insane. And it's also taking in customer feedback and making those real time changes. It just gets better and better and better.

[C]

Love it.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

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[A]

I'm going to keep doing it. Try that super code compounding entertainment. All right, last story of the day. Tesla's full self driving is switching to a subscription only service. This was submitted by Jellyfish in that lovely new community Electric vehicles.

[B]

I.

[A]

Man, I went to, you know, Alfea, Alfena, Alfea. It's the Sony Honda collaboration where they're making an electric vehicle. I went to their opening in Beverly Hills to see the car early. It was interesting because they had mentioned that their self driving stuff was going to be based on a monthly subscription premium. And in my mind I was like, wait, what? Like that feels weird that you would, that you would have a subscription to. There it is. Afila. That's what it is. Yeah. That's the new Sony Honda Collab. But it was interesting because I was like, why would your self driving like that feels like such a feature? It's not something that. It's not like SiriusXM radio where you're like, I mean the car does it, but it's like, do I want that entertainment package or not?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But then to know that Tesla is moving into a subscription service for full self driving, it just feels like this is part of what makes electric cars sexy is this ability to have self driving. And the other thing is at CES we talked about like having your own Waymo. Like I took awaymo here. Yeah, I would love to have my own Waymo so that I could decide, do I want to get in the way? No, no, no. But it's like you decide do you want to get in your car and have it go, I've got to make a call, I got to do some work. Just take me to my place or I'll drive myself. And so there's a car company called Tensor Tensor Auto and they were showed off at Cesar and it basically is a car that can do the Waymo stuff, but you can also drive it as a car. And when you go into level four, you can put in your destination and hit go. And it basically takes the steering wheel away and slides over a screen.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

But if you look at it, it's got all of the same. It looks like a Waymo. And I go, I don't care if my car looks like a Waymo if it drives like a Waymo, right? Like I don't need it to be like this super slick. Look how cool. It's like a Waymo. Yeah, but you could buy that and then you could drive it if you want. Just fully electric vehicle.

[B]

Or you can rent it out or.

[A]

You could just drive it or forget renting it out. Or you could just say, you know what, take me to this Meeting. Cause I got emails to do on my way.

[B]

Yeah, but you're never gonna drive it.

[A]

I would totally drive it. Like, if I'm going to the grocery store, I might just hop in real quick, take it around the corner, you know what I mean? But I wouldn't like, but if I'm going to come here for an episode of dignation, I'll be like, oh, look.

[B]

At this green slider.

[A]

And now I'm in a Waymo. Look how cool that guy is.

[B]

He's just like brushing his mustache.

[A]

He's like, I'm in a Waymo. But again, this is one of those things that like I'm in a Tensor. But this is one of those things. Like, but I don't know if I would get this if I had to pay a monthly fee for that service. Because I'm already buying the car. Like, this is all stuff baked into the car. Like if I had a Tesla and I had full self driving, it already does it.

[B]

I guarantee there's gonna be a monthly service for this as well. No, well, think about it this way. This is the. Listen, I hate monthly services, but if.

[A]

It is a monthly service, then I'm not buying the car. Well, two things, like make the car free and I'll pay a monthly service that I would do.

[B]

That's called leasing.

[A]

I mean, I do that already.

[B]

If you can make the car free and if I could just pay a monthly service, I wouldn't have it leasing. Alex, hear me out, hear me out.

[A]

But it drives me.

[B]

Hear me out, hear me out.

[A]

Okay, I'm hearing you out.

[B]

Okay, so it was AGS to like get the full self driving. Full self driving. A lot of people when they're buying a Tesla, they're like, you know, I don't necessarily want to spend an extra eight grand. Like I talked to my sister about this and like for, for her, like an extra eight grand is like maybe.

[A]

I don't know, 100%.

[B]

But the magic of self driving is so cool that I think once you can see it and feel it, you're kind of like, don't want to go back. Right? And so if you do subscription one, it's more affordable for people because they can afford to pay that monthly subscription. It is.

[A]

Because it's 99 bucks a month or 1000 bucks a year. So you have a three year lease on a car like I did. Instead of eight grand, it would be three grand.

[B]

And then think about this. It is important. Like, these things can't stay static. They have to have ongoing R and D to become better and better over time. The only way they're gonna make money on this, I mean, and continue to spend massive amounts of money on training and better safety and R and D is going to be some kind of recurring revenue for the company. You know, so I actually don't hate that because it's more affordable for consumers. Provides an additional recurring revenue stream for the company that's developing products. Your upgrades are free, right? Like, you always get the latest.

[A]

It better be free because I'm already paying for it.

[B]

No, I know, but I think we've always liked. Yeah, but when you're paying for it monthly, it makes sense. Like, you don't want to be locked into old software. Like, old cars. Like, the cars that you would have, that would do, like, lane change.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it wasn't like I could get lane change. Plus, like, it was like, that was the software that came on the car.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And that's the best it could ever be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I. I don't know. I. I do like the affordability side of it. I remember when they did the Tesla for like, three months at this thing where. Or maybe it was longer than that, like a year. Where if you bought one, they would give you unlimited fueling. Like, where you just plug it in.

[A]

I have that on my account still. So if I get an S or an X, I get unlimited supercharger because I bought my or. I leased my first S when they did a promo in January, nine, 10 years ago.

[B]

I think they killed that, though.

[A]

No, but it was on my account for life.

[B]

And it continues on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Will you sell me your account?

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Well, I'm just. These things are hot now. I know those old cars, they get the free charging. The free charging people are like. They have the command, a premium. Because like, if you're an Uber driver or whatever and you want, like, that's like, that's a lot of free money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So anyway, it's. Dude, this is the next decade of these types of cars. Like, going to be crazy. That Tensor look dope as hell. I would buy one of those.

[A]

A heartbeat, dude. To be able to get in and be like, oh, I'm just going to the grocery store. I'll drive myself. Or, oh, I got a meeting across town.

[B]

Just take me there. It's so funny is I just tweeted this morning, I said that I've gotten into a couple waymos recently where there's been trash laying around.

[A]

It's funny. I just. On my way here, there was a Bottle of water.

[B]

And I just drives me nuts. Because I'm like, come on, people. What about the next person getting in? I proposed, and who cares? No one's gonna listen. But I proposed we might. That they do, because they have all those cameras in there. They can definitely do object recognition. They know the layout of the car.

[A]

Dude, I got out of my car and I forgot my bag. And it was like, you forgot your bag?

[B]

See? So they're doing it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they know free and post scan and they'll know who's leaving the trash.

[A]

Yeah, Just add a feed.

[B]

Kick those motherfuckers out of the platform. Warn them. Warn them, but then politely kick them.

[A]

You're not wrong. Yeah, I support it.

[B]

That's it, people.

[A]

Dude, Heather it. Like, the number one thing that pisses Heather off in our neighborhood is we have so many people that litter. I have literally seen people parked outside of my house open a door and put an entire platter of eaten chicken wings on the ground, close their door and drive off.

[B]

Do you have a.

[A]

Who the fuck does that?

[B]

Do you have a composting bin?

[A]

I don't have a composting bin yet. I mean, I don't need free compost from the world.

[B]

And you don't want to compost chicken.

[A]

And I don't want to compost that guy's chicken. But it's just like, who thinks. Thinks that that's. That's the way to fucking live on this planet?

[B]

This is the United States, man.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's so freaking. Everybody thinks that this.

[A]

Yeah, it's the main character syndrome. The country. Here we go. That is it for this week's edition of Dig Nation, this week's. This couple of weeks episode of Dig Nation. Thank you so much for sitting around and watching with us. I'm Alex Albrecht.

[B]

I'm Kevin Rose. Head over to dig.com sign up. It is now open for you to play. Have fun and we will take in your feedback. Listen and mostly do probably 10% of.

[A]

It, and we'll dig you later.

[B]

Peace.