Sora 2 Breaks Reality, Neurotech Zaps Your Brain, Instagram Still Confused | E21 | Diggnation

Summary

Diggnation (Rebooted) E21 – Sora 2 Breaks Reality, Neurotech Zaps Your Brain, Instagram Still Confused

Podcast: Diggnation (Rebooted)
Hosts: Kevin Rose & Alex Albrecht
Date: October 8, 2025
Episode: 21

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht continue their triumphant return to Diggnation after 15 years, diving into the freshest and quirkiest stories from the internet. They riff on everything from the mind-bending new release of OpenAI’s Sora 2, advances in neurotechnology, the ongoing identity crisis of Instagram, and their undying love for retro geek culture. True to Diggnation’s spirit, the conversation meanders with tangents, nostalgic tales, awkward confessions, tech skepticism, and genuinely hilarious banter.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Ketones, Old Swag, and Geek Rituals

Timestamps: 00:00–13:45

• The episode opens with the hosts joking about STDs ("STDs or not, one of us has them, not sure who." – Alex, 00:00).
• Kevin introduces his night’s drink (Delta G ketone esters), calling it “the best ketones out there,” despite the terrible taste (01:28).
  • Memorable moment: Alex trying Delta G live: “This tastes like Builder Bear. Oh, God.” (02:42)
• Brief listener shout-out: Happy birthday to Matthew from Shauna R. (06:35)
• Nostalgia for “old Digg” swag, like the classic Digg x Nike Air Force Ones (05:00), and talk about a possible Diggnation shoe.
• Reflections on favorite iPhone models and Apple’s new iOS design, which both hosts agree feels dated:
  • “It does look a little bit like that stuff… when you used to jailbreak the phones.” (Alex, 10:01)
  • “It’s like a bad winamp skin or something.” (Alex, 10:09)
• Preparing to attend the Tron: Eras world premiere, getting playfully hung up on “grid chic” dress codes (10:44).

2. Drinks, Rituals, and the Power of Probiotics

Timestamps: 13:45–14:15

• Alex details his new pre-Diggnation ritual: Zbiotics, a scientifically-engineered pre-alcohol probiotic.
  • “I will tell you, it makes me feel great in the morning. Whip smart.” (Alex, 13:45)

3. Sora 2 Breaks Reality: AI Video Models & Digital Doppelgängers

Timestamps: 14:15–23:35

• Excitement over Sora 2, OpenAI’s next-gen video creation platform.
  • Kevin describes uploading his face and how Sora guessed he was bald because he wore a hat:
    • “It made you bald! I love this thing so much.” (Alex, 16:07)
  • The potential for viral shenanigans: “Let’s have a little competition to see what people can do with me.” (Kevin, 15:04)
  • Discussion about deep fakes, digital identities, and deep generational gaps in understanding what’s real/fake.
  • Alex: “My parents aren’t going to realize that.” (18:28)
  • Kevin: “There’s a whole generation that just won’t know that this is fake.” (18:48)
• Philosophical rabbit-hole:
  • “We are making little mini realities… that Kevin never existed, but, like, sure as hell looks real.” (Kevin, 22:11)
  • Concerns about virtual worlds, neural tech, and the blurring line of reality:
    • “Once that moment happens, shit’s gonna get fucking crazy.” (Alex, 23:00)

4. Neurotech & Behavior Modification

Timestamps: 23:35–25:54

• Exploration of emerging brain stimulation technology.
  • Kevin muses on neural tech used to motivate gym attendance or curb addictions:
    • “If I could get zapped in the brain and it would make me be motivated to go to the gym... Wouldn't anybody do that?” (Alex, 24:36)
  • They imagine the pros, cons, and funny side effects of such interventions.

5. Shrinking AI Models: Hardware, Home Assistants, and the End of Cloud Reliance

Timestamps: 25:54–33:24

• Huawei’s advance: Reducing large language models (LLMs) to run on consumer-grade hardware.
  • “They've been able to shrink the memory usage of some of the large... up to 60-70%.” (Alex, 26:58)
  • Impact on DIY home assistants, privacy, and the dream of a home not reliant on Amazon/Google/Apple servers.
• Tangent on voice assistants and privacy paranoia:
  • “I don't need to be giving all that information to Amazon.” (Alex, 32:15)
  • Argument about how much Amazon listens and privacy trade-offs.

6. Local vs. Cloud AI: The Bifurcating Future

Timestamps: 33:24–34:11

• Prediction: Split future of AI models – simple, private, local models vs. powerful cloud models, especially for health and real-time data.
  • “There's going to be the... personal home siloed... And then the go online quantum computing, high end.” (Alex, 33:25)
• Nostalgia for the early days when AI models had “internet cut-off dates” (33:59).

7. AI Coding Assistants: Claude Sonnet 4.5 vs. The World

Timestamps: 36:46–43:08

• Claude Sonnet 4.5 claims to be the “best coding model in the world.” Kevin ran experiments cross-comparing it against GPT-5 Codex and Gemini models.
  • “It's really hard to tell because they're all getting really good… but Claude Sonnet fixed it first try.” (Alex, 38:31)
• Reflection on the fast-approaching obsolescence of traditional coding education:
  • “In three, four years, we won't need engineers.” (Alex, 41:16)
  • “It’s democratizing ideas… Now it's the idea that's going to be the thing… not just the ability to hard code.” (Alex, 42:14)

8. Boomer, Smarter, and the Missing Social Pulse: App Pitches!

Timestamps: 43:08–45:44

• Kevin pitches two app ideas:
  1. Boomer: TL;DR for internet memes and trends, “just to keep older folks in the loop.”
  2. Deep Voice AI Assistant: Uses best-in-class models for real-time, voice-powered Q&A, with high-level, accurate responses.

9. Retro Geek Conventions: Bring Back the LAN Party

Timestamps: 45:44–52:03

• Listener Sumiya’s story about small local cons (like Nirvana in NC) and nostalgia for grassroots, folding-table style events.
  • Alex: “I miss those days… putting a TV, an old heavy ass TV, in the back of your car with your Xbox and your router…” (49:04)
• Idea to host a “Retro Nerd Weekend” in a low-rent Hilton/Hampton Inn:
  • “You bring out your old Game Boy… talk about the different retro games you're playing… you can’t bring anything new in the building.” (Kevin, 48:45)
  • Serious discussion about running a 48-hour, phone-free, old gear LAN party for Diggnation fans.

10. Breakthrough HIV Prevention Drug Announced

Timestamps: 54:12–62:13

• New HIV prevention drug, Lenacapavir, to be rolled out globally at $40/year by 2027 (down from $28,000/year currently).
  • “Twice yearly injection, 99.9% reduction in transmission.” (Kevin, 55:20)
  • Societal implications, especially for first responders and at-risk populations.

11. Modern Dating, STDs & Stigma

Timestamps: 62:13–61:01

• Conversation on how STD stigma persists, especially wit herpes.
  • “More than 50% of the population has herpes.” (Mal, the producer, 57:48)
  • A rare genuine pause as both hosts reflect on their own personal sexual health, societal stigma, and the weirdness of Google/AI now “knowing” your curiosities.

12. Instagram’s Identity Crisis and the Need for Simple Photo Sharing

Timestamps: 62:13–66:41

• The Verge article: “Instagram wants me to make content and I just want to post a photo.”
  • “To me, I'm always like, ‘What the fuck?’ ... I just want to see pictures. I want to see a picture of my buddy at a concert.” (Alex, 62:28)
  • Kevin proposes a purely photo-only social app called "MeHuman," with device-level attestation and no “content” pressure.
  • Reminiscing about how Instagram once only allowed photos taken in-app.

13. Luxury Jets with No Windows – Screens Instead

Timestamps: 66:41–70:01

• Startup launches the "Phantom 3500" jet, replacing cabin windows with panoramic, ultra-HD screens for better aerodynamics and design.
  • “Some of the traditional cabin design with the windows... are not the most efficient aerodynamically.” (Kevin, 67:41)
  • Debate: Would not having real windows feel claustrophobic? Is the screen experience convincing?

14. Show Wrap Up & Listener Engagement

Timestamps: 70:01–71:59

• Listener email from Charles recommending the “ChudBox” for wood-fired grilling (an ongoing Diggnation callback).
  • “He builds his own boxes, all made of rolled steel in Texas and it's really great.” (Alex, 71:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI deep fakes:
  “We are making little mini realities… that Kevin never existed, but, like, sure as hell looks real.” (Kevin, 22:11)
• On Instagram’s convoluted features:
  “They want it to be content, not a picture.” (Alex, 63:09)
• On shrinking LLMs:
  “They've been able to shrink the memory usage... up to 60-70%.” (Alex, 26:58)
• On the new anti-HIV drug:
  “Twice yearly injection, 99.9% reduction in transmission.” (Kevin, 55:20)
• On the future of coding:
  “In three, four years we won't need engineers.” (Alex, 41:16)
• On the nostalgia of LAN parties:
  “I miss those days… putting a TV, an old heavy ass TV, in the back of your car with your Xbox and your router…” (Alex, 49:04)
• On the persistent stigma of herpes and STDs:
  “More than 50% of the population has herpes.” (Mal, 57:48)
• On Instagram nostalgia:
  “There's something about the initial core idea of Instagram that doesn't exist in Instagram anymore.” (Alex, 64:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening banter, ketones, swag talk: 00:00–07:00
• Listener shout-outs, trip recaps: 06:35–07:12
• Sora 2 madness and digital realities: 14:15–23:35
• Neurotech & brain zaps: 23:35–25:54
• Shrinking LLMs, home assistants privacy: 25:54–33:24
• AI models, coding, Claude Sonnet 4.5: 36:46–43:08
• Startup app ideas (Boomer, deep AI voice): 43:08–45:44
• Vintage nerd conventions/LAN party dreams: 45:44–52:03
• Breakthrough HIV drug: 54:12–62:13
• STDs, modern stigma: 62:13–61:01
• Instagram’s identity crisis, photo-only nostalgia: 62:13–66:41
• No-window jets & future of aircraft design: 66:41–70:01
• Listener grill recommendations & wrap-up: 70:01–71:59

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Tone & Style

True to Diggnation’s roots: irreverent, meandering, geeky, and self-deprecating. The hosts remain skeptical but deeply enthusiastic about technological progress, peppering their insights with candid personal stories, deep nostalgia, sarcasm, and sly references to their original fanbase.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is both a joyful tech catch-up and a loving send-up of how geek/tech culture has evolved — and not. If you’ve ever wanted a snapshot of today’s tech zeitgeist, laced with whoa-moments and a hefty dose of “old school” heart, episode 21 delivers it, Diggnation style.

Transcript

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On this episode. STDs or not, one of us has them, not sure who.

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Okay, here we go. You got this. You got this.

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Coming up, STDs coming up. On this episode, Sora 2 makes me bald.

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Our STD status and do Kevin and I start our own retro conference in Des Moines. That's stupid.

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Welcome to dictation.

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Also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on.

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Why do you have flies in your freaking house?

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I've noticed in Southern. In Southern California and I have shrooms. You put zombie and you put eerie.

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In the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com. hello friends. Welcome to Dignation Episode 21. I'm Kevin Rose.

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And I'm Alex Albrecht. Dignation covers some of the hottest user submitted stories on the social news website dig.com. d I g g dot com. Yes, we are coming to you live from Kevin's additional. Do we even figure out what the A was?

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Adu.

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Let's just say ADU and then get on.

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Additional dwelling units.

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Additional dwelling accessories. Dwelling units. Accoutrement dwelling unit. Guys, today is the day. If you are in.

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Wait, you don't want to start there.

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Why?

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I gotta drink this first. I can't sit there too long.

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Okay. Okay, go.

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Because this stuff tastes terrible.

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Okay, go, go, go. What are you doing?

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Obviously I'm not an investor, but I will say it is the best ketones out there.

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Look, at the end of the day, you are currently drinking it.

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Yes.

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So it doesn't matter what it tastes like.

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It's called Delta G. This is my version of alcohol. It's. It's ketone esters. Which, for people who don't know, esters.

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Yeah.

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Ketones are basically what your body makes when you're not.

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Oh, I can smell it.

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Yeah. When you're not consuming carbohydrates and it's burning fat and it's like a fuel source for the brain. So in theory, I become 10% smarter once I drink this legally.

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10%?

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Remember when I gave you some of this Tell people.

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Was that what it was?

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Yes, the same thing.

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Fuck it.

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So you take a swig?

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Should I?

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Yeah. This is a different flavor. You might like some better.

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Here we go. Hold on. No, no, no. You change. It's all good. You got it.

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Okay, so just so you know, this tastes like.

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So here's the thing. So, Kevin, we were at the. Which is going to lead us into the Chicago meetup. Yeah, yeah. Tuck, Tuck. We were at the San Francisco meetup and you. That's not any of this.

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Give it a little. No, that's like four servings. Just give a little. Chuggers.

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Oh, God. It's for health.

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Yeah, it's bad.

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No, there's something in there. This.

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No, this is like Builder Bear. Builder Bear. Oh, God.

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Builder Bear.

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Are we building a bear?

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It's ketos.

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This. Go ahead. I was gonna say Burberry, but yeah, it's horrible.

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Why?

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Okay, so you be the judge. Watch the show. Do we get smarter or not?

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Not because we did that.

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Yes.

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Oh, my God. Okay. Anyway, he forced me to. He gave me some on the morning after the meetup in San Francisco.

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How did you feel?

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I mean, I felt great on the plane home, but boy, he did not. He did not prepare me for the squeeze of hell.

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It's kind of fun to not tell people what it does.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

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Yeah.

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But speaking of right now, this evening, as of the day that we are releasing this episode on Wednesday is the Chicago Dig IRL meetup. So if you are in the Chicago area, please go by and say hi. Kevin and I aren't going to be there, but Justin's aren't.

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I said, okay. You fly really fast.

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It's in my math.

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Okay.

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Still there. And I have to drink things to get to the thing I can drink anyway. If you're gonna be there, Justin CEO is gonna be there. Forest's gonna be there. Mao is gonna be there. It's gonna be a super fun time. And they are going to have also limited edition schwag. So you can get schwag right now on the digg [e-mail] digg.com classic schwag stuff. And you can even get dignation swag stuff, which is great. But they'll be selling a limited edition only in Chicago meetup. Schwag. So if you're.

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A blue tee called the shirt Ning.

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It's the shirtning. The old classic Dig blue with the white leadening.

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I love it.

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Leadening lettering.

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Jesus.

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It's not making me smarter. It has not made me smarter.

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Give it five minutes. I will say take Justin, if you're going to the Chicago meetup to Pequots. Great, fantastic pizza places.

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Yeah. All right.

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Speaking of throwback and old swag. Swag Dig and Nike Air Force One throwback. This was from 2008. A little collaboration.

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Custom collab.

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Collab. Zach wrote in. Zach Fitch wrote in. Just wondering if anyone has the Dig shoes. What happened to them if not? Lol. Not sure if he laughed after that one.

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Yeah. Maybe he did. So this was a. These were these cool Dig shoes that you guys did as a collab that were like, for employees or something.

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Yeah, I think it was. I think they're really boys. They're really cool. They had the. You can't really see here, but they had the Dig. We can. There it is right there. The Dig logo kind of all around, the texture there. They were pretty awesome. I don't know what happened to these. I haven't seen these in many, many moons. What's that?

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Yeah, they glow in the dark.

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Yeah, they're really sweet.

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Anyway, we should do a dignation shoe.

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Oh, that'd be amazing.

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That'd be so fun.

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Collab with, though.

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Adidas.

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No, no. On running.

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On running. What is on running?

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What, you've never heard of on running?

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Is it for running? Well, I don't run.

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That's fair.

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Sorry to. I don't play basketball.

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I mean, it's on.

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On running.

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Like, dude, you've seen this. Oh, the weird.

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On.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Oh, yes, of course. I. I call that company Little man with Weird Hat. There you go. So that's why I didn't notice it was the letter O and the letter N. You know what, speaking of some emails, we just. We did want to say, you know, we have the email address dignationig.com so feel free to send us in your emails. And we really do appreciate seeing them, but this one came in from Shawna R. My brother and I watched the original dignation. Thank you. And his birthday is on October 15th, and I ordered him a dig shirt and a hoodie. Can I get a birthday shout out? His name is Matthew. Yes, Shawna.

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Happy birthday, Matthew.

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Happy birthday, Matthew. And thank you so much for watching. Did we spoil the gift? The swag gift? We might have. We may be.

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Would we spoil it?

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Because it's coming out a few days before the birthday. Okay, well, guess what? You're gonna get some swag anyway. So how you been, man?

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Good. I've been good. Just got back. I was actually down in Oceanside.

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Oh, yeah?

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Took a little trek down there over the last few days. Was there with. I didn't know this, but my friend surprised me and they brought my old buddy Daniel Burka, who lives in London now.

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Daniel lives in London?

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Yeah, he's been living out there for a while.

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That's so cool.

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He was the original designer behind Dig and the one that created the yellow button way back in the day. And so it was always good to see him. And so we just hung out with some friends. We did a lot of vibe coding. Like just watched some movies. I watched the new Naked Gun.

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Oh, how was.

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Was good.

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Yeah.

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It takes a minute to get back into that style of humor because you just so rarely see it these days.

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Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

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But then about halfway through we were like really pretty laughing about. Pretty happy with how it turned out. It was pretty good. Yeah.

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That's cool. It's on my list. Speaking of, last time you saw us, we had yet to receive our lovely iPhone.

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I haven't seen your black one.

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Yeah. And I was funny because Kevin, I asked you about your blue phone and you said I don't have a blue phone. And I went what? We just, we had a whole thing.

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I went back to the.

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So you went back to the Pro?

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I went back to the Pro.

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But why this? I have to say this is like my favorite phone in years. It's just too big.

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You don't feel like you have to like eh. To get up top.

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No.

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What do you do? A lot of one handy.

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Yeah.

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And you have no problem getting messages?

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Messages, messages, messages, messages. The top is where the best part is.

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I just, I just don't even have.

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So horrible.

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I have issues. I like, I like this form factor. I. But I already dropped it and broke the screen.

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Whoa.

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But here's the cool thing.

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I'm not handing you.

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Listen, listen. I got that new AppleCare plus and they send you. They send you a brand new phone.

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That's it.

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So you don't have to like send your like I don't have to take this to get repaired.

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So you just. They'll give you one of those boxes.

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Get another one instead of back. Isn't that cool?

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That is great. It's funny that you are like, I still have mine for me is like so great. I still have.

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Mine's right there.

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I just love the form factor. It's great. I will say if you're a heavy user. I'm not a huge. I mean I'm fairly heavy user. I. I don't really care about the battery life because I'm never really anywhere.

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I've been traveling goes down.

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Hell yeah, dude. Like I'm right now at. What the fuck does that say? 67.

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Yeah, 67.

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Jesus Christ. My eyes. Anyway, I'm at 67.

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Yeah.

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And on my other phone I'd be like at 80.

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Yeah. See, I noticed that was dropping a lot. Do you like the new iOS? Like the liquid glassy stuff?

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It's fine. It doesn't really blow my skirt up now.

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Are you fan? I'm not a fan. It is awful.

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Really?

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Yeah. Same.

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Yeah. Interesting.

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It just feels like it's not going to age well.

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Like it's just a little 2008.

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Well, also, it feels like they just ran out of ideas.

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Yeah.

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It's like, what are you doing there? Is adding this weird coat that nobody asked or nobody asked for this?

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Nobody. No, no, no, no. Not at all. I just.

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I don't know. There's a thousand different ways you could go and to pick this kind of like, old school kind of.

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It does look a little bit like that stuff that. Where you remember when you used to jailbreak the phones so that you could have games?

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Yeah.

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It does remind me of, like, old.

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It's like a bad winamp skin or something.

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Yeah. 100%.

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Yeah.

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I could definitely see that floating glass stuff as a winamp scam.

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For sure. Some of the things I do. There's a couple things where I like how it works mainly on desktop. Like the way that some of the windows disappear. They kind of like disintegrate. But.

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Yeah.

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I don't know. Hopefully they'll refine it over time. We'll see.

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God, I get. I get that.

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Tron eras.

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Yeah. So we are super excited. We have been invited to go to the world premiere tomorrow night for us.

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Yes.

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Monday night for everybody else. Not that it matters what day we went, but we're super excited because it looks freaking.

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Do we have to dress up when we go to that? Really?

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I mean, but it's not like you don't have to get into a tux.

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You can, like how dressy.

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They said on grid chic.

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Yeah. Like, it's almost cosplay if you want.

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Otherwise, just look sharp. Yeah, look sharp. Yeah. So you could do. Oh, maybe we should. Oh, that's fun. I might do like some, like, I.

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Don'T know, knee highs.

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I'm not gonna do any of these things.

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What the fuck are you gonna say?

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Not knee highs. Neon.

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Neon.

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Okay. Okay.

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Cause it's Tron.

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I'm just gonna do some knee high boots, black leather or something like that, you know? Yeah, yeah. You know, Tron. It'll be fun.

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I'm excited to see it. I'm a huge Tron fan, so I'm hoping it's good. Do we have any sense on early reviews?

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I don't know. I mean, the trailer looks bonkers. Light cycles in the real world was like. Like everything I wanted since I was a kid. You know what I mean?

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So.

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So we'll see. We'll see. No, don't, don't do that. Don't, don't.

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Tron. Eras. Oh no, it's not.

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No reviews. Yeah, no reviews. Okay.

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Okay.

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I think I thought it was bad, but it's not. No reviews. Okay. I gotta get into my wine.

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Yes.

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Because as I am the only drinking person.

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No, that's not true. I'm also drinking and non alcoholic. Hazy ipa. Non alcoholic by Best day brewing, which I like this in a beer.

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I will tell you quite good that when I did that like a couple years ago, I did that like four month stint.

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You didn't do four months.

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I did do four months and I was.

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You really went four months?

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Yes, Kevin.

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Four whole months?

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Yes, over the summer. I don't believe that it happened anyway. But NA beer was really. I. I sort of got into NA beer. You didn't do anything else? NA wine, any. What do you mean anything else?

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I don't know. Like, is there anything like you have any other vices? Like what did you do at night?

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You sat there. Yeah, I. You know, I do.

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What you doing? It's not fun.

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Yeah.

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And I did four months.

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It was torture. But thankfully that time is over and also I am helped out by our lovely friends at Zebiotic before my new predignation show rituals. Zbiotics, a pre alcohol probiotic drink. The world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by a PhD scientists to tackle rough mornings after drinking, which we all know happens. So here's how it works. When you drink, alcohol gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut and that is what makes you feel bad in the morning. It's not dehydration. You can't just drink water. Take Advil and hope. So I've been having one of these prior to all of most of the Dignation shows. And I will tell you it makes me feel great in the morning. Whip smart. Hopefully you guys could try it out. If you head over to zbiotics.com digg you can learn more. You can get 15% off your first order when you use Dig at checkout. Digg. Give it a shot. They also have a money back guarantee. Okay, now I'm gonna go drinking.

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Put it back. It actually tastes really good. I do love a good Z body.

[B]

It definitely tastes better than whatever you gave me to begin with.

[A]

Yes, the ketones were tough.

[B]

Now clear out those ketones.

[A]

Oh, you didn't bring your wine. Did you take all the bottles? Will's wine. What happened? You're drinking?

[B]

No, no, I Don't know where they are yet. Remember we.

[A]

The office got moved.

[B]

Yeah. It's in storage.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which I should probably get out of storage.

[A]

But yeah. 100% just. Oh, temperature control.

[B]

Good. See?

[A]

All right, talking about first order of the day, Sora 2 released. Submitted by Legolas. Legolas.

[B]

Legolas.

[A]

LegolAS Legolas Sora 2.

[B]

Lord of the Rings, Anybody?

[A]

Exactly. This is the new video model.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

From OpenAI, which has gone crazy.

[B]

So this just came out what, like two days ago?

[A]

Yeah. Some people are saying they're calling it. Some people are calling it. Is it more AI Slop? Is it not? Is it just creating a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. I will say I've created a couple videos with it. Basically, here's what happens. You get the app, you get an invite.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And once you're in, it asks you to say a few letters or numbers.

[B]

If you want to make your face cameo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. And so then you don't have to. You can have it make other stuff. Right?

[A]

Yeah. Or you can just consume and use other people's faces and stuff like that. So I set my face to public. Let's have a little competition to see what people can do with me. I am on here. My username is sorry, Zen K Ro Z E N K R O. And if you find me there, you can use my face and make me do crazy shit. It'll play on dignation and just. It automatically tags me. But that's the cool thing is you can take your friends and do fun stuff with your friends.

[B]

Is there a semi public version? Like could you do one where like you have to allow people to use it?

[A]

So you can say only friends or only people are allow in.

[B]

Yeah, I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, that. That's where.

[A]

And you can see all the drafts of stuff people are working on with your face before they get published. That's amazing. So here is. So I messed up. The first time I did this. I had my hat on.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I thought I was like, oh, it's just gonna like.

[B]

It'll know that you have a hat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Take it off.

[A]

Well, it'll give me a hat.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Because I thought like that would be cool. I'd just like to have a hat. Did it.

[B]

Just think it was the first one. I did your head whereas a breath. Oh my God. It made you bald. I love this thing so much. Not your. Oh my God.

[A]

Drink with the mountain and the mountain drinks with you.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Do you love that?

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Here's Me doing podcasts. I haven't watched this yet.

[B]

Okay, here we go. Real time.

[A]

Welcome back to the show.

[C]

Today I'm drinking and talking about a West coast ipa. It's from a small brewery right down the street. And just look at that color. Deep amber, clear as day. You can see the bubbles just climbing up. Let me get a nose on it. Loads of grapefruits, everyone.

[A]

Let me get a nose on it.

[B]

Amazing.

[C]

Small brewery right down the street. Just look at that color. Deep amber, clear as day. You can see the bubbles just climbing up. Let me get a nose on it. Loads of great.

[B]

Wow. Let me get a nose on it. Oh, my God.

[A]

It's kind of.

[B]

You got to do a shirt, right? We got to do a Kevin shirt. Let me get a nose on it. Kevin Rose.

[A]

Look at. Look at this one, Mel.

[B]

Is that great?

[A]

Like, just, like it just made him bald for no reason. Well, I had a hat on it. Just assumed I was bald.

[B]

That is so, so perfect, dude.

[A]

But it's fun. I just don't know if it's like this is adding anything to society, but it is kind of cool.

[B]

Probably not.

[A]

You got to do yours.

[B]

I'm going to. You just invited me. It's great.

[A]

Yeah, we got to get you in because it would be fun to do some dignation ones.

[B]

So it's interesting because it was a real. It was a real big jump when they. When they merged audio and video together. Right. Because remember when that happened. I don't remember if it was Sora that did it, but that when they finally were. Cause you used to be able to.

[A]

Laughing really hard at was the one that Google was doing that you and I were messing around with that we had on the show.

[B]

Oh, right. Was it Gwen, or is that what that's called?

[A]

No, it was called. What was the Google model called?

[B]

No, no, no, no. The one where he did the podcast one and made me fat and him buff.

[A]

It was the Gemini model.

[B]

It was the Gemini one.

[A]

I can't remember the name. VO2 or VO3 or something.

[B]

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. VS0 or something like that. Yeah, got it. VO yeah. But it's interesting to me. I just. There's. We're. We're almost to the place because it still feels very fake, but I feel like we're almost to the place where it's like, ooh, we really need to just pretend. Like, any video that you see that you don't. You don't have a direct. But here's my problem. My parents aren't going to realize that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? I'm not worried about me. We grew up with technology.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

But people five, 10 years older than us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That kind of gave up on. You know what I mean? That were like, you know, technology was kind of cool. Then maybe they had an NES or an Atari 2600, but then they were kind of like, it's not really for me. And so they didn't follow along with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, well, here's the.

[A]

Here's what I'm trying to think about it. There's. I completely agree that there's a whole generation that just won't know that this is fake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is our thing that 20 years from now we'll be like, well, I didn't know. And like, you know, you get a phone call from someone younger in your life, it's skibidi. No, it'll probably be like, no, it's not going to be like a meme. It'll probably be like, I'll call you up and I'll be like, alex, do we should grab beer or whatever? And like, you meet up and you're not. And I'm not there, and you call me like, what the fuck? And I was like, dude, that wasn't me. I was. I calling you. Someone pranked you.

[B]

And that's. That's now.

[A]

I know, but what is that thing that.

[B]

You see what I'm saying? I see what you're saying.

[A]

There's going to be things that we are completely fooled by.

[B]

Dude, 20 bucks. It's gonna be $20.

[A]

What does that do?

[B]

20 bucks. Just. That's what it's gonna be. It's gonna be confusing. The kids are gonna be like, 20 bucks. I'm like, sure. And give them 20 bucks. And they'll be like, haha. Got you.

[A]

What do you think it's gonna be?

[B]

I think it's gonna be human replicants. Oh. I think it's gonna be you coming to my door and you'll be like, hanging out with me. And I'll be like, oh, my God, I had such a great time with Kevin. And he was like, yeah, me too. We went out to dinner last night and be like, oh, you fucking sent his goddamn fake robot. And then you got to figure out which one of us got which one of us got the fake Kevin.

[A]

Right.

[B]

For the evening. But then also, like, that could be.

[A]

Well, the dating situation. Well, that would be crazy.

[B]

Well, by the way, by the way, by the way, first dates. Literally, like avatars having early dates.

[A]

Send Your replicate.

[B]

And then. And they'll come back and be like, dude, she was crazy. And you're like, okay, I'm going next time. And you can watch back. You watch back.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

I should have been there. I should have been there.

[B]

She's touching me. Who knew?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or it could be like, did you guys see that movie? Probably not. It wasn't great. It was a great comic. I mean, the movie was okay. I watched it again later. Anyway, all this Surrogates. So Surrogates is a really great comic. We reviewed it. We reviewed both it and the movie. The Bruce Willis movie that came out. And the Bruce Willis movie. It was okay. It just. It was not great. But the whole concept is, is that you basically get a surrogate for yourself that goes out in public. So you stay home in like a VR set, but you're controlling an artificial version of yourself in public.

[A]

I see.

[B]

So you're there, you're in public, you're experiencing it, but you're not there. You're not there. And so like all murder is now no longer a thing. It's property damage.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Because nobody's getting murdered because nobody's at outside. You know what I mean? But so it could be one of those things too, where it's like all of a sudden you're like, I'll just send my guy. But it's really you piloting. You know what I mean?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

That could be interesting. Yeah.

[A]

The thing about this stuff that freaks me out is it there is like when I just saw myself with no hair and I'm sitting there and I look at my facial expressions and they're like 98% there. I'm like, I. I'm like, was Kevin there? Was there another Kevin? Is this a multiverse that I'm looking into?

[B]

Like, did you create a version of.

[A]

It's a weird head trip. Like, who is that dude? Yeah, I know that he wasn't there because it was just like a thing. But like, it is very strange when you get back to that. Are we at base reality or not?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To be like, we are making little mini realities with like that Kevin never existed, but like, sure as hell looks real.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's a trip. Well, also, I think the thing too that's going to be really exciting is when. And some. I've seen some tech demos which are very interesting. Where can't remember who did it might have been Google, but where they did auto generated worlds.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So you would get into these 3D environments. And you could just walk and it would just continue. Right.

[A]

Doing more that in gaming now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But trying to.

[B]

Yeah, but think about if you get to a place where you're creating these realities, then. Then think about, you know, the sort of neural net stuff that we've been. That has been happening where all of a sudden you can sort of poke into the brain to begin to give those external stimuli, as if you're actually receiving them. And then you start going into these virtual reality worlds. That stuff, I think, could get super weird super fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because once that stuff starts taking off and you can sort of give like external inputs that aren't actually happening directly into your brain so that it flows. Feels like they're actually happening. I think once that moment happens, shit's gonna get fucking crazy.

[A]

Well, when you look at all the different stuff that neuralink is doing right now, when they have people with pretty severe disabilities, that they're unlocking all these things like video gameplay and all these different things, it's just. It is a matter of time. It's a matter of time that they crack all of this, which is nuts.

[B]

Well, and the other thing is that AI is actually helping us start to crack the nut faster. So it's like, not only is AI a thing that we are creating, it's also helping us come over to the left and create other things in ways that we weren't necessarily thinking of. And I think the brain. I mean, we've been talking about the brain being this sort of like, you know, it's like the deep ocean. Right. It's like the last vestige of human knowledge.

[A]

Well, they've talked more recently, I've seen some scientists are speaking about not just brain stimulation and kind of that modification on that realm, but also behavior modification based on that. So we know they have this transcranial simulation they do now where, you know, it lifts depression for some people.

[B]

Yes, but.

[A]

But now they're talking even more kind of targeted in that you can imagine if someone was an alcoholic or someone had a. Like a really hardcore thing that they wanted.

[B]

Gambling disorder or something.

[A]

Yeah. Or to go to the gym. Could you imagine? Would you do that?

[B]

Oh, my God. If I could get zapped in the brain and it would make me be motivated to go to the gym.

[A]

You can do it. But you wake up at 5am and you run for like.

[B]

I wouldn't do that. That's too bad for my body. Running is horrible. People running say that you. But if I had a thing where it was like 5:00am, I'm getting up. I'm. I'm throwing some weights around at the gym. I'm getting, like, a protein shake with all my supplements, and somehow I'm interested in doing that. I would. I would maybe do it. I would maybe do that. Because there's certain things that I was like. Because I'm a fucking procrastinator.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look, my. My natural existence of being is sitting on the couch watching TV or playing video games. If. If I could figure out a way that I could be paid. And by the way, I have, over the years, figured out ways to get paid to do that, which is amazing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, all things being equal, if I had, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, I'd probably. I mean, I do some fun stuff periodically, you know, company stuff and entertainment industry stuff's fun, but I don't want to do that. Like, I hate being in an office. I mean, we talked about this for years anyway, but. So if I could get zapped in the. In the head and get motivated to, like, work out and eat better and not drink as much, I mean, that. Wouldn't anybody do that? I just.

[A]

You want to turn it off, though, right? You don't be 80 and being like, I got to get to the gym. Like, if that. There's that yearning, and you're like, I can't. I'm gonna lose.

[B]

Can't you just get smacked in the head again?

[A]

I'd imagine so. At that point, you zapping technology at that point unzap you.

[B]

Yeah, they can unzap you. All right, maybe I won't do it the first time. Okay, here we go. Next story. Huawei shrinks LLMs to make them run on less powerful hardware. This was submitted by Emil. So I wanted to know, have you ever done. Have you ever had your own offline LLM?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Interesting. Was it. How did it work? And which one was like a llama or whatever?

[A]

I just. You can download any you want if you have a passive gpu.

[B]

So this is the thing. So Huawei was like, we want to figure out how to shrink some of the more robust large LLMs. LLMs in order to lower the memory requirement for the CPU or the GPUs so that they could run those on more prosumer.

[A]

Yeah. Apple's working on this a lot. Yeah.

[B]

So they've been able to shrink the memory usage of some of the large. It's called SYNC S, I, N Q, SYNC Horn, Normalized quantization. Thank you. And they've been able to shrink it down. I think it Says Yeah, up to 60 to 70% of the memory usage can go down. So what would be usually a more than 60 gigabytes of memory to run on a GPU. This thing can get that down to 20 gigabytes of storage. And some of the higher end like 4096, 50/90, they have 24 gigabytes already. Yeah, so that means you can offline run some of these larger, larger, you know, not like the Olamas or the, you know, some of the other ones that are, you know, Gwen I think is one of them. But you know, these other ones that you can sort of personally run. But not only that, it is also lowers the cost for corporate. So like let's say you have a startup and you want to do like cloud machines before you'd have to spin up these cloud machines with like these crazy. Some of these graphics cards are nuts. Like the fucking H100 plus 30 grand for a graphics card. Yeah, but so the to spin one of those up is anywhere from like three to four $53 to $4.50 an hour to run one in the cloud. But you can now use the same LLM that would work only on those using this software which they didn't put out Open source on GitHub. It'll allow you to crank the memory usage down and still get the same output and you can run it on like a 4090 or 5090 and that's like a dollar to a dollar 50 an hour. So they think for, for companies too it will be huge. But for me I go, I've always wanted to fuck around with because I have home assistant, you know and they have voice assistant which is like the, you know, whatever the Siri on Apple HomeKit or Alexa or whatever. But you can use your own local LLM as the brains for it. So then you don't ever have to go out to this, you know, corporate overlords to turn on your lights.

[A]

Yeah, I mean there is, there is, there is a lot of models that would do that basic stuff that you need to do on your home rig.

[B]

Yeah. But some of them like I see the stuff, I watch some of the stuff and it's just like, it's just not that great. It's slow, it's kind of like oh, what was that? You know what I mean?

[A]

So the inference stuff can be a little slower when it's locally. I mean this is a big. Apple announced a bunch of stuff. Their open source piece of it is really one of the Apple open source models. What is It, Yeah, they have, they have some new these on device models that Apple has been working on. So they're big on the private cloud. Right. Like that's the whole thing. So they're trying to figure out how can we sandwich some of these local functions down to a small enough model that for the vast majority of stuff that you need, it can be done on device for quick. You know, that we don't have to go out because it's always that there's that lag. There's always been that lag with Siri and everything. We have to wait like us like four or five seconds.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So, yeah, this is a really fun area to watch. I feel like there's a couple of specialized pieces of hardware. Nvidia is selling one now as well where you can buy a little rig.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

For your house.

[B]

It's like the Nano 3 or some like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And you can run little tiny models at home for various things. Like, are they going to be the, the deep thinking models that, you know, with the billions of parameters that you could get in the cloud? No, but you're, it's not like you're having to have the inference to serve up, you know, hundreds of thousands of these. Like you're just doing, you know, a few queries here and there. It's not like you need them to be insanely performing and it's like local shit.

[B]

Like if I can be, you know, the, the whole thing is, is like first off, I don't like to talk to my phone in public. It feels weird. So to be like, hey Siri, check what's the weather? What's the thing? You know what I mean?

[A]

You do that.

[B]

It's just so weird because anytime somebody's doing it around me, I'm like, bro, just type it. You know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know why. Maybe it bugs me, but, but also, now that I think about it, doesn't really bug me. I don't really. It's just, I think I just feel like I don't want people to know that I want to know what the Seattle Seahawks game is.

[A]

Oh, that's interesting.

[B]

Even though I don't ever want to know about the Seattle Seahawks, no offense, I'm sure they're a great team. I just, I don't know where that came from. But for the stuff at home where you're like, you know, I would love it to be able to integrate with my calendar but not have to worry about like, you know, ChatGPT and OpenAI having access to my free access to my calendar. Right. But I would love it if I could just be at home and somebody being like, hey, we're just singing.

[A]

You had one fucking thing on it.

[B]

Yeah, but I want to know that that's coming up. I need to know that that's coming up.

[A]

It's like a whole week. It was like, dignation. There was one item on your calendar. You're just making shit up. You're trying to index your porn. There's something is going on here that we don't know about.

[B]

I would definitely. It's five o'. Clock. Would you like me to start porn? Yes. Thank you.

[A]

Claude, there is something you're not telling us here. Why do you need a local model?

[B]

I want a local model. I want to be able to do stuff like turn the lights on and off.

[A]

Turn the lights on.

[B]

Because right now we're doing it with Alexa and Alexa's always listening. And so it's like, you know, I would. It would be nice to have a box.

[A]

So you are really worried that, like, Amazon's gonna be like, no, Alex turned his.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

Puts her in the back bathroom light on again.

[B]

No, I'm not. But I also feel like I don't really need to be giving all that information to Amazon. You know what I mean?

[A]

I mean, I don't know. I hear you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

But I don't think that your feelings are valid.

[B]

Thank you, but I feel heard.

[A]

But I don't know that Amazon cares about your lights. Like, it's not about the lights.

[B]

It's about all the other shit they're hearing in my house.

[A]

They're not. So they only send the queries out where they think there's like a hey, Alexa situation.

[B]

I don't know about that because no way.

[A]

Oh, dude, they would be in so much trouble if they weren't. If they were sending everything you're saying to the cloud. That is not. They have a tiny little local model that looks just for that input query.

[B]

That's. That tracks.

[C]

You probably don't need a super quantized model to.

[B]

Yeah, that is true. This is what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I guess that's true. I should just. I should just whip one up, see how it goes. Yeah, just whip it up. Just whip it up. Yeah, just whip it up. Anyway, so interesting because again, I think. I think the future of these models is going to be like you were saying. I think it's going to be. There's going to be a fork. There's going to be the. On, like personal home siloed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Do your day to day stuff that's really not that high impact. And then the go online quantum computing, like high end. I'd like to know, you know, take a look at my labs and tell me if there's anything I need to.

[A]

Adjust, you know, especially the ones that need real time access to the net. At the end of the day, when you have things that are like, you know, blood work or timely information or topical news, like all of that needs access to a real time Internet to provide you. Because the cutoff date stuff was the weirdest thing. When these models first started coming out, it would be like, hey, here's our recommendation. I'm like, that seems like a year old. I'm like, oh, yeah, it doesn't talk to the Internet yet.

[B]

Oh, I forgot there was that moment where they're talking. They basically took like the Internet of 2022.

[A]

Well, they trained it and then they would lock down the training day and said, this is the data. We're going to compute all this on.

[B]

You know, that's so interesting.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

All right, shall we hit some sponsors before we move on?

[A]

Let's do it. This episode is brought to you by Square. We are going to be using Square as our main source of actually all things payment for our Chicago event, the Dig in Real life event.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

We'll be using it for on site merch sales. Square we have been using on and off for a long time. I've used it personally for. Well, actually mostly for Square cache, I would say is the main thing. I love Square cache but it's like I feel like it's everywhere now that I go.

[B]

I used it from my pop up. I said this all the time. But when I did a pop up, I used my little Square thing. I remember when you first got your first Square cube.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And it plugged into the audio jack.

[A]

Yes. That was the 3D printed one way back in the day. That was a lot.

[B]

You're like, I'll take credit card payments right now. Alex.

[A]

It was the weirdest thing because it was so hard to take credit card payments and Square just like send it down all those rough edges to actually be a merchant. So if you want to check out Square and all that they have to offer for your business, Square has a ton of different offerings. If you're opening up a new location, launching a new product or expanding your existing reach, definitely check out Square. Square is built for every kind of business. The bagel shop on the corner that became a chain the specialty market curating thousands of items or the local stylist or pop up vendor. That's you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

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[B]

Love it. We also are super happy we are sponsored by Anthropic.

[A]

Claude.

[B]

Claude code is a game changer for developers. I think we have a story about it right after this.

[A]

Funny, I didn't even.

[B]

I did not plan that works directly with your terminal, understands your entire code base and handles complex engineering tasks. I mean we've been using cloud for ages. I've been vibe coding with Claude now for the last couple of weeks. Very fun stuff coming out at some point, hopefully soon. If you're ready to tackle bigger problems, sign up for Claude today and get 50% off Claude Pro when you use the link Claude AI dig D I G G. That's 50% off your first three months of Claude Pro Claude AI slash dig, which is great. And now onto information about Claude that Kevin didn't know that we were going to be talking about.

[A]

This is, I, I. Well, I mean people trust us. But no, this was not picked to go here. This is not a story related to Claude. Well, it is related to Claude, but it's not related to the sponsorship. Yeah, so Claude came out with Sonnet 4. 5 and the story was submitted by Wanderer. Claude was claiming with this new drop that it's the best coding model in the world. And so I immediately started playing around with it. I've been jumping around between two, three models, primarily in cursor, which is GPT5 codecs, and then Claude 4.5. And then also there's one called Supernova 1,000,000, which is rumored to be Gemini 3 Early Access, which I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've heard.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

So I spent this last weekend actually doing a ton of just different vibe coding and trying out these different models. I was using GPT5 codecs for the vast majority of stuff and it nailed it. So one of the things I figured, it's really hard to tell because they're all getting really good and it's hard to say, like one is so much better that you only stick with that one. I found the best workflow for me is if I have cursor and that's your coding tool in the center you can do two panels on each side. On one side I have codecs, which is GPT5, which is their own extension for cursor. And the other side I have basically the pane that is that built in. Choose your own model version of the chat interface for, you know, you can select any model you want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was using GPT5 Codex a bunch. It was working well. I ran into a couple blocks where I was like, I can't fix this one thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And so then I jumped over to four or five Sonnet on that side and said, hey, I'm having problems.

[B]

One thing.

[A]

And boom, it fixed it first try. Oh. Whereas I would have. I would hit a dead end on the other side like three or four tries later. And then Sonnet was just like, boom, hit and interesting. And I don't want to make this an ad for cloud, but I will.

[B]

Say, I mean, we just didn't have a club.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

I think we're safe.

[A]

No, I think, I think. What's good though? What's awesome about what? Well, at the end of the day, depending on what you're coding, whether it's Swift code to make your iOS apps or it's next JS because you're making some kind of, you know, web react based web app, you kind of have to try the best models, call it the top three or top four, and then figure out which one seems to be best for what you're trying to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I have had certain models completely fall over when you're doing Swift code for iOS and other models really excel there. And so you kind of just have to keep two or three of those in your repertoire of models, as it were.

[B]

It's very nice.

[A]

Ketones talking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just I feel great, by the way. Yeah, don't. I feel great too.

[B]

Little ketones, little red wine, nice little sundae we got going on.

[A]

I will say that I think that this is a great. It's a great model. I'm really impressed with Sonnet 4. 5. It's definitely one of my top two that I'm using right now.

[B]

Yeah, I really dig cursor. So I started vibe coding some stuff on it and it's so interesting because I tried. What was the other one? Lovable. I think I tried and it was sort of. It was like too hands off, if you know what I mean. Like, I get it for like somebody that has no interest in seeing the code.

[A]

Yeah. If you don't code at all, then love bowl is probably my favorite.

[B]

It'll get you there, you know what I mean?

[A]

Loveable. What do you think, Mal? Do you use some of these kind of full all in one coding tools? Because there's Lovable, there's bolt, there's replit. Like, do you have one that you like.

[B]

More active?

[A]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, same. Once you, well, if you're technical, you like cursor.

[B]

There was a, there was another one too that I had just heard about. I can't remember, I'm not going to remember the name, but it actually builds the infrastructure stuff for you. Like you don't have to deal with.

[A]

Well, Lovable is doing that now too.

[B]

Maybe it was a Lovable.

[A]

They're all doing that now. They all have like. I think Lovable is using Convex as their database now. And then most of the others use Supabase on the back end. So it's like you kind of just. They're trying to be that one tool, that one. I'm telling you for the last 20 years, if someone said, hey, what, what, you know, career path should I take? Yeah, computer science, like getting into like blah, blah. Now I think if somebody young came to me and said, hey, I'm going into college, should I take computer science? I would say, is it your life's work? Like, do you love it so much you must do it? If that's the case, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If not, I just, man, I'm telling you, in three, four years we won't need engineers.

[B]

I mean, it's so weird, but it is really. And to me, I really like the fact that it's sort of democratizing the ideas. Whereas before it was like you had to have the idea, but then you also had to have the knowledge, the computer coding knowledge to make it happen.

[A]

Right? The technical co founder.

[B]

Yeah. And for me that was always my biggest frustration because I would always come up with these ideas for apps and companies and all this stuff and sometimes I would get connected with the right people who kind of were the right people, but weren't. And then it's like I really want to be connected with the person who's so good that they shouldn't be doing my idea, they should be doing their idea. You know what I mean? So the fact that now we're getting to this world where it's the idea that is going to be the thing that makes it successful, not just the ability to hard code the stuff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I think it's a really exciting time because if anybody has a good idea then and best Idea wins, right? Like, that's the best, you know, the cool thing. And maybe it'll be easier for a while like now for someone with technical knowledge to be able to put it together. But I totally agree. I mean, I think we're gonna get to a place where, you know, bespoke apps are just gonna happen, where you're not gonna have to ask it. You're not gonna have to ask an app to do a thing. You'll just tell an LLM that you want to have something happen and it will go do that for you. Like the points me thing we talked about where I was like, I want to my point. Like, just tell me. At a certain point, I'm just going to be able to go to ChatGPT or whatever, or Claude, you know, and say, hey, I've got X number of American Express points. I'd like to go somewhere in Europe in the next couple months. Will you just tell me when it's the right time for me to pull that trigger and it'll just go and do it? You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, I've got two ideas that I want to give away for free because I want these to exist in the world.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Number one, as you get older, as those watching know, you're not always in the loop with your prostate health. I'm just kidding. You're not. You're not in the loop with.

[B]

Yeah. The new Oura ring under undercarriage.

[A]

No, you're not in the loop with what the kids are talking about. What's hot? Like, what's hot? What are the memes? Like, what's going on? So it's a great name. I want to call it. The app should be called Boomer. And you launch it, and all it does is tells you, like, here are the three top.

[B]

And this is what they mean, the trend, how they came.

[A]

Right now, like, here's the meme of the day. This is what people are talking about every day. I'm just launching, like, oh, this is the meme. It's just. It's a shortcut. I don't want to realize shit. I don't want to, like, happen. Yeah, just like, tell me what the.

[B]

Meaning is a tldr.

[A]

Tell me what it means for the.

[B]

For the social cultural pulse.

[A]

Okay, so that's one boomers one. The other one I want. Is it basically one of the things when you talk to the AI agent, I know you don't like to, but when you launch the AI and you. You're in voice mode, I do that.

[B]

That's my. That's my action button. Right.

[A]

But they always give you the crappiest models because they could never do the deep thinking models at scale. Like that would just like crush them in terms of just financially. I want an app that is an iOS app. You plug in all of your keys for your different models, like your API keys, and it will by default just have a voice deep thinking mode. So it fires up the really expensive hard query. So you basically use 11 labs to do your voice to text translation. Hit the model via an API, get the response back from the deep thinking one, and then read it back to you in a nice voice. Because that way it feels like that's.

[B]

Got to be easy to make.

[A]

It's got to be easy to make the other thing too, is.

[B]

What is that going to be called?

[A]

I don't have a name for it yet.

[B]

Smarter with an R. No, that's horrible. But smarter.

[A]

But I feel like people want that really deep knowledge. When you're having the conversation so many times I'm like, hey, chatgpt, like, tell me about this. And it's like, okay, well, I would tell you that. I'm like, oh my God.

[B]

That's such an interesting thing to dive into. I really appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It seems like in 1942, you're like, what are we talking about?

[A]

Do you want to start a business around this? Because you probably should. And like, I'm like, no, I just want to know, you know, it's horrible. So anyway, that would be. That would be a fun one. And then you're gonna have to wait for the responses. So It'd be like 20% complete.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I got you.

[A]

You know, because we're still working on it.

[B]

Kevin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It takes a couple minutes. Yeah, it takes a couple minutes, man.

[A]

Two. Two freebies.

[B]

Two freebies. It takes a couple minutes, man. You're like, oh, thanks, man.

[A]

That's what you call it takes a couple minutes.

[B]

Takes a couple minutes, man.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So this next story is more of a challenge. Make sure to get off the Internet and support some nerdy junk. This topic was submitted by Sumiya. Sumiya.

[A]

Do you think Sumia?

[B]

Sumiya. Sumia. I love this. Just like hit me to the core. I love it. It was like, it's just such a great thing. Anyway, it made me start to think about a lot of stuff. So Sumia went to a. A local North Carolina. There's these, this company, I think it's called like CCS or something like that, but they do these like Smaller conventions around, nerd culture stuff. So it's not like, you know, they take over the LA convention center. It's not like San Diego Comic Con. It's like this. The one that he went to was called Nirvana. And it was like. Yeah, it was like card games, it was collectibles, it was anime. And one of the things that made me kind of go, like, God, I really, really. I miss that. Like, the Lax Hilton, you know? Or not even the Hilton. The Lax High, Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn. And they had, like, a tabletop game. There's a tabletop gaming one that I went to a couple times with the TRS guys. And it's just so fun because there's just like, these little vendors with, like, folding tables. And it reminded me, too, of, like, the computer show and sale. Remember when we went and did that segment for the computer show and sale?

[A]

I did. Just give me an idea, but keep going. Yes.

[B]

I love it. Marinate, my friend, because this is great. But one of the things is, in the comments, he had said that he used to do improv, and when he. They were done with the improv show, they would all pull out old CRTs and their original Xboxes and do Halo LAN parties.

[A]

Okay, so this is what I'm gonna say.

[B]

I love doing Halo Lane parties.

[A]

Hear me out.

[B]

Okay, I'm in.

[A]

We start. We go and find a shitty Hilton.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Like, with the crappy beds and all that.

[B]

Yeah, done.

[A]

Okay. Not the ones that are like, you know, you pull the.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

You're like, oh, Jesus.

[B]

A Hampton Inn. You know what you're talking about?

[A]

Good place. And we rent out the whole inn. Hampton Inn.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, okay. And they always got the shitty conference rooms, you know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And we say, everyone bring your own, like, rigs and shit.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

We basically. It's all that is a little bit comics, but it's like you get folding tables.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you bring them out. And then we set up lamb parties, like old Doom shit like that.

[B]

Oh, dude.

[A]

And we just kind of go into the night and we've got a little bit of D and D over here. We've got a little bit of stuff going on. And you kind of just bring your own shit and you set it up.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Of whatever you like to geek out about.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Then magic table in the morning. Like, you have old classic diner breakfast, like eggs, bacon, like the coffee, where they're like, we want me to warm.

[B]

Up your cup, huh? Yeah, Touch it up.

[A]

You're. Touch it up for a little bit. Old School, you know, and then we like have our retro gaming. We like, it's great. You bring out your old Game boy. Yeah, you sit down, you talk about the different retro games you're playing. So it's all old tech. You can't bring anything new in the building.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

But you have to like. And then there's an award for whoever has the oldest, coolest tech. Like, oh, they had a US Roblox modem with the old bbs. They win. Geekiest, weird, like old tech thing, you know, I want. But it can be anything. It could be like old, like, like toasters or whatever. Like old with this old shit, fun stuff.

[B]

And it would just be called Old.

[A]

Weekend, Old Man, Old Man Weekend, something like that.

[B]

Could be the mascot. Could be Old Man Weekend. He could be like our Santa Claus.

[A]

I'm telling you, if we did that at the Hilton, people would come.

[B]

Of course they would. But this is what I'm saying. This is why this post on Dig got me so excited. Because I was like, yeah, get off the Internet and go see people.

[A]

Like, could you imagine walking around somebody being like, oh, man, I can't get the IRQ working on my SCSI card. You'd be like, I remember those.

[B]

How do that work? I literally, I literally was just talking about the IRQ on Ethernet, pci, Ethernet cards with a buddy of mine.

[A]

That was the days.

[B]

Oh, my God. But yeah, but I like, I miss those days of like. Because look, online gaming is great. Like, me and my buddy Jerry, we hang out way more than we would if online gaming didn't exist, right? Because we just play fucking video games all the time. So I talk to him almost every day, but I also want to see my friend. There was something about that, like, there's also something about the time commitment. Like putting a tv, an old heavy ass TV in the back of your car with your Xbox and your fucking router and all the ethernet cables and going to somebody's house and setting that shit up. It was an hour and a half before we were actually playing.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it was a lot of work.

[B]

So you're like, I'm here for hours. Like, I am not going to bounce. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, dude, I remember lifting like my old fucking Sony monitor, like 0.28 dot pitch and being like, I would like slam the glass against my chest and like lean backwards and be like, what? And you're like lifting your monitor to go to a friend's house, you know.

[B]

Dude, how many times you put the, like towel behind The Viewsonic. And make sure it was like putting the seat belt around it.

[A]

Yeah, totally. If you own an old hotel.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That happens to have a diner nearby or something that we could do. Like something we get. Like a 48 hour thing would be fun. We should do something like this.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Let us know. Especially if it's in like a really weird part of town.

[B]

We went. I think it like. I think it was ID software. I can't remember what it was, but there was a convention that we went to for TRS and it was like their LAN party room was like crazy because it was bring your own PC. But there were like thousands of people because it was in a convention center and it was just table after table after table of people and they would just get into these games of like 32 on 32. I mean it was just like, it was so crazy. I think it was like an ID software thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was do this. Dude, dude, I'm in.

[A]

Let's look.

[B]

Hey, if you're fans@or dignationig.com But I.

[A]

Think we could have different genres where you're like, okay, retro stereo. Is this part of the thing? Yeah, you know, retro gaming gets this part of the thing and it just. You walk around and be like, oh, I used to have that Pioneer deck. And like, oh, God, dude, that guy's got kicker speakers in his car.

[B]

Yeah. The blah punk, the pull out block.

[A]

Yeah. Do all that shit.

[B]

I love that stuff. I remember the Panasonic. I remember the first time I got one that had the detachable face.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Instead of the removable, it was the detachable face.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's like so easy. Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

God, I love it. Anyway, so that's why. Thank you so much. You know, this is what we love is to talk about cool shit like that. Let's hit two quick sponsors and then we'll be back.

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[A]

All right, next story. We can end HIV. Groundbreaking preventative drug to be rolled out for $40 a year from 2027.

[B]

Whoa, really?

[A]

Yeah, dude. Well, it's preventative though. So this is the kind of. What is that? That means that like if you already have it, that's not. This isn't the end to it.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean that's like vaccine ish for HIV for people who are in highly. What is it? What's it like a high risk?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's a twice yearly injection and it is. It's called Len Capavir.

[B]

Lena Capavir.

[A]

Lena Capavir.

[B]

Lena Capavir. Rolls off.

[A]

The drug companies need to come up with better naming.

[B]

There's. Who submitted this?

[A]

Lena Kepavir.

[B]

Lena Kappavir.

[A]

Comdaq.

[B]

Comdaq. There it is.

[A]

Comdac submitted it. Thank you for submitting.

[B]

But think about it like first responders that have to worry about like getting pricked by needles and stuff like that. Like There's a layer of. I mean, this is huge.

[A]

Twice yearly injection, 99.9% reduction in transmission.

[B]

I mean, that's huge.

[A]

Isn't that crazy?

[B]

That is crazy.

[A]

The only problem is that it currently costs 28k a year.

[B]

I thought you said it was $40.

[A]

No, but that's what, that's what it currently costs. But they're now they're trying to roll it out and make it $40 a year.

[B]

I mean, but isn't that always the problem? Right? Like, you get these drugs and then all of a sudden it's like they cost a bazillion dollars. But then slowly, over time, efficiencies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Subsidies for countries, you know, like.

[A]

Yeah, especially countries where this is running rampant.

[B]

Like Africa, I know, has a huge HIV problem.

[A]

There's definitely like, Like I've heard of this, where there's a cultural thing, where there's a misunderstanding where. How the transmission works. And that's. That's brutal. Somebody told me that there was. I can't remember where it was, but there was one country where it was. The cultural understanding of HIV was that if you had it, the way to get rid of it was to give it to someone else.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

Because they, it was just a knowledge. Like they're like, oh, I just give it to someone else.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't have to worry about it.

[A]

It's like, kind of makes sense.

[B]

I mean, I can see why they got there, but that's not.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

We're gonna have to work on that.

[A]

But, but, you know, that is. It makes a ton of sense. It is crazy to me that Magic Johnson is still alive. I thought he was gonna be dead.

[B]

Oh, I so remember when that happened.

[A]

When he came out watching baseball the other day, like on tv.

[B]

By the way, go Dodgers. Man. I've been enjoying it.

[A]

I know, it's crazy.

[B]

Go Doyers. Well, that's great. I mean, look, these are the, these are the things that, like we, you know, the, the thing that's going to be the real trick is what's the next hiv? Like, has there been another thing like that that's come around? I mean, Covid was kind of a version of that. Not. But I mean, it wasn't high.

[A]

Definitely not an std, though.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

You haven't had a new STD in a while.

[B]

I don't think. Mal, Mal, has it been in the scene.

[A]

You're in the scene, you go to Burning Man. Is there new people are worried about?

[B]

It's just hiv, is it? What?

[A]

What? What is like. I really don't know, obviously, because I'm not dating or anything. What is the thing that people are most scared of these days? Is it like. It's not like the clap or some like that, right?

[C]

No, everything's so magical. I think, honestly, the thing about it is just the stigma around.

[B]

Oh, oh, yeah.

[A]

You know what it is? A lot of people have herpes.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

So the stigma around herpes. More than 50% of the population has herpes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

HIV is basically curable, even if you have it manageable.

[B]

Yeah. Are you sure?

[A]

More than 50%? I'm not talking about mouth, I'm talking about herpes.

[B]

What? Herpes.

[A]

It's like down there. Did you call it chichi?

[B]

Chi?

[A]

No, I just, you know, I was pointing down the chick herpes. So, Mel, were you saying over 50% have junk herpes? What? See, here's the problem. I'm typing this in chat.

[B]

GPT.

[A]

I had to do this last night. I was talking to some friends about some shit and I typed in like, I'm typing in what percentage of people has herpes. It seems that she has a core memory, of course. And it's like.

[B]

Knows that you're interested in herpes.

[A]

I know I don't want it now.

[B]

Knows that. It's like, hey, Kevin, the weather seems fine in your area. Also, herpes is up.

[A]

Here it is. Here it is. Temporary chat. What did you find out?

[B]

Temporary chat?

[C]

Locally, about 64% of the population over 50 have HSV1.

[A]

Okay, well, that's not.

[C]

That means oral.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that I knew. Well, HSV2, that's the. That's the junk herpes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So I actually, I didn't know anyone that had it. I'm lucky I don't have mouth or junk.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Do you have any of those?

[B]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

Do you have any of those? Can you talk about. Okay. Jesus.

[B]

Why were you asking? You seem so nervous to the response.

[A]

Well, I just realized that once I started asking, you're like, it would have been weird if I didn't ask Mal. I knew you didn't because you've been with the same partner for a long time. And then like, I was like, what if Mal was like, yeah, I do have the other one.

[B]

I'd be like, I'm so sorry.

[A]

I know, I'm so sorry. Because we had to bleep it out. And then people have known it's bleed. Probably he does have it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. That would Be amazing. It was like, do you have herpes? Deep. Anyway, I was talking about.

[C]

Just a.

[B]

Smash cut to some other content.

[A]

I'm lucky. I've never had anything.

[B]

It's great. Yeah.

[A]

And like. But, like, you got. I. I know two friends now that have the junk. Herpes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And you basically can take a pill and it kind of beats it back pretty well now. Now, like, it doesn't flare up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you can date and people wouldn't know. I mean, that's kind of up. You would never really. You'd probably say that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But.

[C]

So a lot of people don't test doctors.

[B]

When you say doctors are like.

[A]

Well, that's the mouth. Interesting.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Or no. Okay.

[C]

You can have it. Never show symptoms.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

And so you don't. You just don't. And it's not a lot of full panel interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But the way you're putting it still, like, this is what.

[B]

Yeah, the stigma exists.

[A]

You guys. I hear that there's a stigma, but you also have a breakout on your junk. I mean, it's not like it's nothing. It's like, that's a thing to look at.

[B]

There's. There's more than a stigma.

[A]

It's a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Still probably just about the same amount of stigma.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, they have the thing now. There's. Yeah, there's a. There's a bunch of them that.

[B]

What I'm going back to what I was saying. Like, we haven't had something like HIV since. Hiv. And I feel like that's amazing. But also, knock on wood, do. Yeah. Like, this feels like. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. Why did we.

[A]

It's like they just kind of stopped. Although, I don't know when the others came on the street. Obviously we know HIV because it was in our lifetime.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

But I don't know, like, the others, had. They been there forever.

[B]

When was syphilis discovered? It is weird.

[A]

I'm not a big conservative therapist, but it is weird that HIV just kind of came out of nowhere, I guess where the others come from. Out of nowhere, too.

[B]

Not a lab, I don't think. I think it came from scurvy. Maybe on pirate ships.

[A]

I don't know. There's.

[B]

Anyway, all right, well, we're glad to. First responders, I mean, I mean, honestly, like, that's where my brain goes first, is first responders. Doctors, nurses, and ERs. Because they're always constantly worried about pricking themselves with needles and stuff, you know, What? I mean, yeah. Well, I mean, and also transfusions. Like.

[A]

Well, how about just like, people that. Yeah. Like, are more prone to get this stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Sexually active people in certain communities, but also. Yeah. And also who are, like, immunodeficient. You know what I mean? Like, oh, people who are like, if you get it, you're gonna die. It's like, big time.

[A]

That's actually a big deal.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Speaking of big deal. Yes. Instagram wants me to make content, and I just want to post a photo. This was submitted. Submitted also by comdac. So this was an article.

[A]

Thank you, comdack. Come back. Busy.

[B]

Yeah, man. So this is a Verge article. And it's so funny because this really struck me. I saw this. This. This headline, and I was like, I have. I feel so seen. Because to me, I'm always like, what the fuck? Like, you know when they added stories because Snapchat existed, and they added reels because TikTok existed, and I was like, I just want to see pictures. I want to see a picture of my buddy at a concert. I want to see picture of. Of a guy who's making food. You know what I mean? Like, I want to post a picture of the crazy fucking hawk that was in our backyard, and we were scared.

[A]

That she was gonna eat our dog.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Every time I post a photo now.

[B]

They want to add music and all this shit because they want it to be content, not a picture.

[A]

We should just build it. I have the domain name MeHuman.

[B]

Oh, that's cool.

[A]

And just like, let's just make it, like, just human only, like, for photos.

[B]

It's like that. What was the one that was hot for, like, an hour? The one that was like, you have to take a photo every day at a certain time of what you're doing. It was called. Do you remember what the that was called? Remember everybody?

[A]

Oh, my God. I have this app, which I really like for notes, called Standard Notes, and you can enable a beta feature where it takes a photo of you every hour.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I was like, oh, I'll do that. I thought I'd get a little prompt or something. And I went and had, like, a thousand photos. And it's like me at the computer, like, like all kinds of. And like, I'm like, good God. Like, it's like if you all up in the morning with coffee, like, barely.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love it. Yeah, that's never good. But I do like the idea of starting a pure, going back to basics, and Doing a pure. Yeah, a pure photo sharing app. I like Me Human. Be real. That's what it was. That was hot for an hour. But I love. But it's so true, dude. There's so many times when I'm like, you know, I mean, I'll post it on Facebook. Fine. Just so people can see if I'm doing something. To be honest, one of the things that's been so much so fun has been the ability for us to cut social clips from the show and post them on Instagram. I mean, and maybe TikTok. I can't remember if we're doing TikTok stuff, but do we? Oh, we are. Look at us. We're fancy. But it really is. There's something about the initial core idea of Instagram that doesn't exist in Instagram anymore. And it almost feels like you could make a really good business just going back to what Instagram started as.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? And to be honest, you don't even need the filter feature anymore because people can do all that shit in the phone. So it's like, just take a picture, spruce it up how you want, and just post it.

[A]

Yeah. The thing I was thinking about is there is. There has been people talking about having device attestation for photos, meaning that if I could select a photo, I would reject it from this social network if it. If I couldn't prove that it was also created on the same phone. And so that. That's really interesting to me because that's like way back.

[B]

Right. Because when Instagram didn't allow photos that weren't taken with the Instagram app. Remember?

[A]

Right. Early like that. That's interesting to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm so tired of all the edited shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, okay, what if I just want the raw?

[B]

So maybe what you do is maybe the Me Human app is a photo sharing app, but you can only use the app's camera. Yeah.

[A]

The only problem with that, though, is then you're kind of like. It's kind of hard to get the right moment, you know, like, oh, I.

[B]

See what you mean.

[A]

Because, like, often I'll take like seven shots of my. My kids, and I'm like, oh, I want to replace just this one.

[B]

Yep, yep. No. Yep, I get that.

[A]

Well, what if there's something here? Let's think about it.

[B]

Yeah. What if it. What if it shoots, like in burst and you get to choose from an array of photos?

[A]

Could just be your photo app then. Yeah. If it launches that fast, you have to make sure. It's really performant because sometimes you want to catch these moments really quick and you're like, oh, fuck, I caught all camera things.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I think you can find out if it was actually created on device with pretty high accuracy.

[B]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[A]

All right.

[B]

There's something there.

[A]

Yeah, it's cool. But I agree, dude, Instagram has just gotten to be this.

[B]

It's just. It's just. I mean, I. And I use it, you know, it's not the knock that it's usable in its current form. It's just there is a pining of the simplicity of what Instagram used to be, you know.

[A]

Well, at our conference, we won't allow.

[B]

Oh, that. No, actually we should do the thing where like you have like the, like the phone bags where like everybody puts their phone in like the little cage.

[A]

Or the little like. Yeah, that's cool.

[B]

Or maybe we do like phone free hours.

[A]

Oh, that's cool.

[B]

You know what I mean? So it's not like, oh, people can't get in touch with you. It's like. No, no, no. They can get in touch with you if you. If you're outside the phone free hours. This is super cool.

[A]

I'm excited about this. Yeah, this is a cool story. Next story of the day. Last story of the day. Luxury jet replaces cabin windows with video screens. Submitted by BAX42. So there's a new startup called Auto Aerospace and they actually partner with Flexjet, which is pretty interesting. They have this Phantom 3500. It's going to debut in 2027. It's not too far off. And the thing that is interesting about it is because they have gotten rid of the windows. I didn't know this, but some of the traditional cabin design with the windows and everything that they've created are not the most efficient aerodynamically. And you can actually get a lot more range and everything if you were to get rid of those and just redesign it to be a lot sleek. It looks really sleek. Looks like a.

[B]

So they. It's using this new thing called laminar flow aerodynamic design. So essentially all airplanes are basically just like tubes with wings.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So these are going to be new? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

The blended wing.

[B]

Yeah. So this is going to be. And if you scroll down, they show renderings of what the inside is going to look like.

[A]

Has no window. I like a window. I can't find something out of window.

[B]

I know. So I get this. These are other stories. I think we're past it. Is the window that you can Just see through the glass and you see outside. But like isn't. Because if you look at the picture of the cockpit or the, the passenger area, the whole side of the plane is basically a window. So you're seeing. Yeah, they're already making them. But if you look inside, there's like almost like a dining room because there's so much space inside. Yeah. The whole inside is like voluminous. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's got a lot of width to it, doesn't it? Like you could have like anything in there.

[B]

Yeah. And there's. I saw a video where they actually had a mock up layout in like fiberboard of what the inside is going to look like. So it's like the layout and it was massive, dude. It's like, I mean it's literally. It's like think about your backyard from like that wall all the way to that. And no, no support structures. It's just open and there's seats. But like that would be amazing, you.

[A]

Know what I mean?

[B]

Like, and think about like the first class shit. Anyway, so I'm actually really excited, but I will say I have to get into one first in order to see because one of the things that they said was, they said that they were worried that it might feel more claustrophobic.

[A]

Oh, you wouldn't like that if it does.

[B]

Or to me, I look at that picture and I go, that feels way less claustrophobic. Oh yeah, well, that's like a train. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, but those are all screens right there.

[B]

Yeah, but what does that matter?

[A]

Would that like convince your brain that you're not trapped in a tube with no windows?

[B]

I mean, that's why, that's how.

[A]

What if the screens went out mid flight? Like those screensies.

[B]

I'd be sleeping with my Xanax. I put my Xanax on and I'd.

[A]

Be snorting your Xanax.

[B]

I would be snorting my Xanax at that point.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Does Xanax help you all that stuff?

[B]

Oh yeah. That's what it's for.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anti anxiety.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. Anyway. Oh, it's fun. That was a fun show.

[A]

A fun show.

[B]

Thank you guys so much for listening and watching and doing all the things that you're doing. We love you guys.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

If you have any comments, please feel free to send them to dignationig.com we.

[A]

Got some good wood grills too. From last one. I got a few.

[B]

Oh, people, people. We actually got one that was sent in. We got a wood grill email which I will read real Quick, because I happen to have it pulled up. Greetings from Charles. What is it? Yeah, from Charles, longtime listener. First time caller. Heard the last episode. You were looking for recommendations on the Wood Grill.

[A]

I am.

[B]

So he recommends the Chud box, which, by the way, I love Chud's barbecue YouTube channel. I've seen so much of it. It's great. And this guy builds his own.

[A]

Oh, look at this one.

[B]

Yeah. So he builds his own boxes, and they're all made of, like, rolled steel in Texas. And it's really great.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Yeah. And he has a couple different ones. There's the CHUD box and then there's the. He does the big CHUD one. I can't remember what it's called, but. But, like, he has a. Like a smash griddle thing. It's. It's really good. And he's. Bradley Robertson, I think is his name. But he makes some fucking stellar food, dude.

[A]

Really?

[B]

And he bakes his own buns when he makes. And I was just like, I gotta do all this shit. But then I was like, I don't have time or a backyard in Austin, Texas, to make it, dude.

[A]

Chudbox. Oh, there's the Chud grill. Yeah, the CHUD press.

[B]

The CHUD Press. Yeah.

[A]

But the Chud box is.

[B]

The chud box is the one with the. So that's the wood. You could use wood. You could use charcoal. Yeah, that's the one.

[A]

Yeah, that looks good.

[B]

Yeah, it's great. So, Charles, thanks for sending that in. And also anybody else that sent in some really cool ideas. You should get a fucking.

[A]

We should do that. Yeah. Great.

[B]

Get one of those things. And then we'll set up, like, a camera and we'll. I'll come over and we'll do, like, a big brisket or, like, something. Cool.

[A]

That sounds great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Awesome. Anyway, until next time.

[B]

Thank you, guys.