7 Minutes in Heaven ft. God, Don Draper, and Nicole Kidman

Summary

DisGRACEful with Grace O'Malley

Episode: "7 Minutes in Heaven ft. God, Don Draper, and Nicole Kidman"

Host: Grace O'Malley
Guest: Caroline
Date: September 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of DisGRACEful brings comedian Grace O’Malley and her guest Caroline back together for a wild, deeply personal, and always hilarious trip down memory lane, through their experiences working in comedy media, navigating early career chaos, dissecting existential questions, and sharing deeply relatable "young adult" struggles. Scattered throughout are tales of past jobs, wild office parties, discussions of therapy, mental health, sobriety, God, past lives, celebrity encounters, adventures in adolescence, body image, digital footprints, and plenty of "boobs and bits." The show’s signature blend of vulnerability, unfiltered honesty, and riff-heavy banter is on full display in this nearly two-hour “sleepover” style conversation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Career Adventures & Office Tales

• Grace and Caroline recount their days working for Total Frat Move, writing for a sorority page despite not fitting the typical mold—Caroline was homeschooled and Grace called herself "the antichrist."
  • "We were both writing for a sorority page...I was never in a sorority, by the way. We were both behind camera. They ended up like doing on camera things and they brought us. They were like, well, we don't want you to. On camera." (04:13)
• Stories of chaotic company culture and questionable bosses, including a frightening incident where their older, inebriated boss started terrorizing the Airbnb at night, resulting in panicked group texts, locked doors, and a group photo of him passed out titled “RIP [his name].”
  • "At one point he told me my audience would be men in basements that don't leave their mother's house." (09:24)
  • "He made one of our co-workers cry...I think he actually put his hands on someone." (08:50)
• Reflections on being young women in toxic workplaces and the ways the industry excuses or ignores inappropriate behavior. Both express having empathy for the boss, as well as frustration, shame, and humor about the situation in retrospect.

Mental Health, Therapy, & Sobriety

• Both discuss their mental health journeys, experiences with therapy, misdiagnosis, and experimenting (and sometimes quitting) psychiatric medication.
  • "I think I got misdiagnosed." (28:38)
  • Conversation on how modern medicine is still “a lot of trial and error,” and frustration that there isn’t a more precise science for mental health medication.
• Discussion on sobriety, the role of God or higher power in AA, and the spectrum of addiction.
  • "There's no way to go sober with these steps without God. And that's where I defer." (17:45, Grace O’Malley)
  • "Believing in a higher power is really helpful...but everyone’s path is a spectrum." (18:01)
• Grace expresses skepticism around the religious structures of sobriety, but deep appreciation for those who choose or need that commitment.

Existential Questions: God, Afterlife, and Past Lives

• Deep dive into belief (or lack thereof), afterlife, and searching for meaning after losing loved ones.
  • "I don't believe in God. I believe in my grandmother." (18:33, Grace)
• Conversation about “signs” from relatives (e.g., seeing robins) and growing up Catholic with resulting guilt and “bastard shame.”
  • "I was made to feel bad for being born out of wedlock. Not my fault, girl." (19:15)
• Shout-outs to the comfort of woo-woo beliefs and meditations exploring past lives.
  • Caroline’s “Don Draper” past life meditation: she was an ambitious, neglectful man, and in this life is “Betty Draper with all the mental illness.” (26:49)
  • Grace jokes she was a “newsy” boy in a past life (24:48)

Adulting & Body Image

• Reflections on feeling old, success, and what it means to “have made it” as a woman in the creative field.
• Body image issues, including reflections on early puberty, mother-daughter comparisons, and body dysmorphia.
  • "Body dysmorphia is real...even girls with the craziest AI-looking bodies have it." (58:28)

Celebrity Gossip & New York Life

• Caroline dishes on Tim Dillon’s party and seeing Ann Coulter, followed by a riff on Trump needing a podcast instead of a presidency.
• Story of spotting Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, and Katy Perry in Montauk, and the urge to approach celebs with something truly original (suggested: “Katie, watch a trick”).
• Brief discussion of celebrity friendships, especially the strange “how do they know each other?” web.

Adolescent Games & Adult Versions

• Both lament missing out on classic teen party games (Spin the Bottle, Seven Minutes in Heaven) as socially awkward younger kids.
  • Caroline proposes an "adult prom" and a grown-up truth-or-dare party.
  • "I want to play Seven Minutes in Heaven because I'm dying to see my grandma again." (49:13)
• Home school vs. public school social dynamics and recaps of outlandish games like “Christians vs. the Chinese government.”

Social Media, Digital Footprints, & Cringe

• Recurring bit with “Disgraceful Receipts”—Grace shows Caroline her most embarrassing digital artifacts, leading to tales of awkward modeling gigs, photos from funerals, senior portraits, weird jobs, and questionable tweets from conservative upbringings.
  • "I literally always do this segment, but I forgot how much you hate your digital footprint." (59:23)
• Both joke about the bizarre culture of influencer aesthetics and past Instagram “color palette” obsessions.

Success, Fulfillment, and Friendship

• Emotional, mutually affirming talk about defining success for oneself, working through insecurity, and being proud of one’s creative path.
  • "Success is measured by other people's success, and it's not a good thing. You're very successful in your own right." (54:25, Grace)
• Recollections of their old dream to launch a podcast ("Sit and Sip")—and how they pitched it and got rejected but see it as formative.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Young Office Chaos:
  "We have a boss who's in their 40s...and the first day one of our coworkers is like, he's hot, I want to get with him. And as time goes on, we learn he has seven children." (06:11, Caroline)
• On the Bizarre Sympathy for Problematic Bosses:
  "For whatever reason, we felt for him. We felt for the guy." (14:26, Grace)
• On Afterlife vs. Religion:
  "I don't believe in God. I believe in my grandmother." (18:33, Grace)
• On Sobriety:
  "There's no way to go sober with these steps without God. And that's where I defer." (17:45, Grace)
• On Teenage FOMO:
  "Other people did [play Spin the Bottle], but I was asked to leave." (46:25, Grace)
• Caroline’s Past Life Meditation:
  "My past life, I was Don Draper...I neglected my mentally ill wife and now in this life, I became her." (26:49, Caroline)
• On Adult Prom:
  "Let's do it. Have you ever seen Madonna's Truth or Dare? It's so scandalous...I will throw a party. It won't be a sex party—it's a sexy party." (49:45, Grace & Caroline)
• On Instagram Aesthetics:
  "The more vintage the picture, it looked like someone pissed on the photograph." (68:01, Grace)
• On Success:
  "I still feel like all my dreams will come true. Absolutely. It's scary, because as a woman, you're like, when I turn 30, obviously, I turn into a pumpkin gremlin." (56:48, Caroline)
• Disgraceful Receipts Segment:
  A series of cringeworthy old photos with commentary, including:
  "I wore a Michael Vick Eagles jersey on my pitbull rescue for National Dog Day." (63:01, Grace)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Office/Workplace Stories: 04:09–15:15
• Mental Health & Sobriety: 17:12–30:44
• Existential & Spiritual Talk: 18:33–27:27
• Celebrity Encounters & Gossip: 31:55–41:42
• Adolescent Games & Adult Parties: 44:38–51:18
• Body Image, Family, and Mother-Daughter Dynamics: 57:47–58:45
• “Disgraceful Receipts” Digital Footprint Segment: 59:04–74:03
• Closing Rant ("What’s Disgraceful?"): 75:03–76:34
• End Credits/Shout-outs: 77:23–78:24

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Tone and Style

Breezy, irreverent, self-deprecating, and riff-happy. The show feels like the best parts of a long sleepover: rambly, honest, full of “wait, you too?”, sprinkled with pop-culture gossip and bits, but peppered with truly vulnerable moments about trauma, therapy, faith, and growing up a “weird kid.”

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a perfect primer on the DisGRACEful tone—chaotic, unfiltered, compassionate, and hysterical. It’s especially rewarding for those who ever felt awkward or misfit in youth, have complicated feelings about faith, mental health, or work culture, or who want to hear women in comedy speak honestly about the struggle between creative drive, imposter syndrome, and living outside the “norm.” The “Disgraceful Receipts” segment adds an extra layer of Gen Z/Millennial shared trauma, and the entire episode doubles as a love letter to female friendship after hardship.

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Final Thoughts

• Memorable moment: The idea for an Adult Prom, encapsulating the longing for playful joy after years of adult stress.
• Signature Bit: Mutually hyping each other up while admitting genuine insecurities—demolishing the "women must compete" stereotype.
• Philosophical Takeaway: The power of humor and vulnerability in reframing shame, trauma, and all kinds of “disgrace”—and the enduring importance of having at least one friend who knows all your wildest stories.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Grace O'Malley]

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I mean that. I'm not just reading that.

I truly believe that they are the most comfortable shoe around town. They're cushioned, supportive, lightweight, and secure. What more could you really ask for? I'll say shop the [e-mail].

[Announcer]

Coming at you live from a shady Manhattan studio.

[Caroline]

It's disgraceful.

[Announcer]

Featuring your gracious ginger host.

[Grace O'Malley]

Hey, watch yourself. Only I can say that.

[Announcer]

Okay, boss, whatever you say. You pay my bills. Give it up for Grace. O Ali.

[Grace O'Malley]

And where do we go from here?

[Caroline]

So you're going to Calgary?

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm going to Calgary.

[Caroline]

Are you going alone?

[Grace O'Malley]

Can I read? Can I read your text messages? Because I really, like. None of that made any sense, like, at all.

[Caroline]

I said there was good thrifting in Ontario.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, okay.

[Caroline]

So I meant Toronto.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, So I should have just realized.

[Caroline]

That because Ontario is in Canada now.

[Grace O'Malley]

I said, I'm drink. I'm heading to good old Canada. And then I thought you said there's food. You said there's food thrifting in Ontario.

[Caroline]

Oh, I meant there's thrift.

[Grace O'Malley]

But obviously it should have said good. But I didn't realize. I was like, well, is. This must be a joke.

[Caroline]

I think foods are too big for texting. I like, never text anything. Right.

[Grace O'Malley]

I go, what the hell does that mean? And you said, are you going to Ontario? Thrift shopping? Malcolmore. And then I just didn't answer because I was confused about the food thrifting. I was like, oh, that's cool. So is that like people bring their leftovers and they exchange.

[Caroline]

Then you said, oh, hahaha, I get it. You didn't get it.

[Grace O'Malley]

I did not get it. So confused I said, went right over my head.

[Caroline]

That's so funny. No, there's like good thrifting in Toronto. Wait, how long are you in Ontario?

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm going to Calgary and I'm going for the weekend. It's great outdoors fest.

[Caroline]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

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[Grace O'Malley]

You see them everywhere. And if you don't already own a pair, you probably wondered, do I need some? The answer is yes. And start with The New Balance 1080. The Ultimate Running shoe that combines comfort, performance and style. They're versatile whether you're race training or running errands. I particularly, I'm running errands. I'm not really training for any races anytime soon. But they're extremely breathable and can keep your feet cold. And they are truly so comfortable.

I mean that I'm not just reading that.

I truly believe that they are the most comfortable shoe around town. They're cushioned, supportive, lightweight and secure. What more could you really ask for? I'll say shop the [e-mail].

[Caroline]

Should we talk about our trip to Nashville?

[Grace O'Malley]

Of course. Yes, of course. Back in the day, we started with this and we'll get. We're getting back there. Back in the day, we worked for total frat move. And the funniest part about both of it is not behind your cameras again. But you were homeschooled and I was the antichrist and we're both writing for a sorority page.

[Caroline]

I was never in a sorority, by the way. We were both behind camera. Like they ended up like doing on camera things and they brought us. They were. I don't know why we were there. They were like, well, we don't want you to. On camera.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. They said, absolutely not. Obviously we want, we want these chicks. I think they referred to women as chicks.

[Caroline]

It was crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was crazy. I was. Yeah.

[Caroline]

So we had.

[Grace O'Malley]

But I was the best PA you've ever done seen.

[Caroline]

No, you were incredible. We had so much fun. And also, like, we were so, so young, and every day that we, like, got to work, and they were like, do you want a beer? And we were like, yeah, yeah, of course I do.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then I overdid it.

[Caroline]

Did you?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, every single night we were there, I overdid it.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but you didn't.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was like, my second time in Nashville. I'm like, this is awesome. Plus, it's work. Okay, let's get it.

[Caroline]

No, but you didn't do anything like that. You. There was, like, no instance where I was like, oh, my gosh, Grace is, like, crazy drunk.

[Grace O'Malley]

There was one point where I was at the boss's friend's house or at the CEO's house, and I got a bloody nose. Cause I was trying to keep up with the drinking of the boys. Cause they were drinking whiskey, and I thought I had a drink whiskey the whole time. I was trying to, like, match the energy of these, like, CEO douchebag guys.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

And so I was, like, railing lines of Adderall in the bathroom, and then I got a bloody nose.

[Caroline]

I've never seen anyone snort Adderall until I met you. I, like, couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. And I saw you one time snort Adderall. Like, this is such a moment in time. I saw you start Adderall in your East Village apartment with Victoria Paris at like 4:00am I was like, I've never seen.

[Grace O'Malley]

I want it on the record. I don't think Victoria Paris did it.

[Caroline]

No, I don't think she did either. I don't.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't want. I don't. I don't want those. I don't want that.

[Caroline]

She was there. And this is me clout chasing. I'm just trying to get people to watch it because we're saying her name. So we're in Nashville every single day. We're behind the camera, not sure why we're there. We have, like, we're in an Airbnb. So it's you and me in one room, the boys in another room, and then the on camera girls in another room. And we have a boss who's in their 40s. And the first day, one of our co workers is like, he's hot. Like, I want to get with him. And as time goes on, we learn he has, like, seven children.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes. And has came from several businesses that weren't working out so good.

[Caroline]

But, like, this person, like, was entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. No. And by the way. Everyone here was such an entrepreneur. Every night we'd go out with, would get drunk. It was us, the person that was, like, sponsoring, like, cool dude. Cool dude.

[Grace O'Malley]

I like that guy.

[Caroline]

Me too. He was a cool.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't even say the name of the company, cuz I don't want. I don't even want to get him involved, I don't think.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I don't want to get involved.

[Grace O'Malley]

He was a cool dude. He was really cool. He was, like, normal and good and.

[Caroline]

I don't know how that company's doing, but, like, they were. It was cool.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wish him actual well.

[Caroline]

Me too. And then our boss, who was in their 40s, not ugly, not uncharming, but.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, he had something about him that I kind of liked.

[Caroline]

Me, too.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know. There was some. It was like, charisma or something.

[Caroline]

But there's something about being in your, like, early 20s where you're like, I didn't second guess that. My boss was getting drunk with us.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Getting absolutely wasted and falling behind the ball.

[Caroline]

So then one day we. The guy who owned the company that was sponsoring the trip, who was really freaking cool, bought us an Uber home to our Airbnb.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, the.

[Caroline]

That's who I'm talking.

[Grace O'Malley]

That guy was cool.

[Caroline]

He was really cool.

[Grace O'Malley]

The other guy who owns the whole network of all that. Kill him with a knife.

[Caroline]

Actually, I don't remember him at all.

[Grace O'Malley]

I would.

[Caroline]

I know nothing about him.

[Grace O'Malley]

Rip him. Oh, my God.

[Caroline]

I don't really remember anything about him.

[Grace O'Malley]

We went to his house.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I remember going to his house. I remember.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then his wife came home and was like, what the are you doing? Oh, really? Yeah.

[Caroline]

Well, the thing about going to your boss's house and seeing, like, someone's really nice house is you're like, wow, I'm actually getting paid garbage. Because you're like, why are you so rich?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

The guy who owned the company that we like.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

He bought us an Uber home.

[Grace O'Malley]

The sponsored. Yeah.

[Caroline]

And the Uber took us to our Airbnb, where all of the people under 24 lived. And our boss, who was flip the numbers, got in the Uber with us.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And we were like, oh, okay, sure. So he gets in the Uber, we all go to the roof. We're having, like, a seltzer, and. And something happens. And, like, he just starts. He made one of our co workers cry.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes. I think a male coworker cry. Yeah, no male coworker. I think he actually, like, put his hands on someone. He had someone against the wall, didn't he? What? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I don't know. Things are a little blurry. I remember at one point he told. This was my favorite. The night before that we had. So the night before that, he was also drunk. And. And he told me my audience would be men in basements that don't leave their mother's house. Like, I'm the average Joe kind of comment.

[Caroline]

If you're a man in your basement who doesn't leave your mother's house, disgraceful heads everywhere.

[Grace O'Malley]

John Mayer. No, but he said something along the lines of, like, you're not like those girls. You're, like, different. Like, the guys who get you are like, guys who don't leave their mom's house and are in the basement, but they get you. At least you have someone who gets you.

[Caroline]

Which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm pretty sure, like, everyone listening to this is a really beautiful girl.

[Grace O'Malley]

Gorgeous, gorgeous girls. You just see these goddamn shows. You ladies are so goddamn gorgeous.

[Caroline]

No, I've been to your shows. They're stunning. And also, like, they're, like, a good time.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And so, I don't know, it was like this, like, really, like, backhanded, awful comment that he, like, just kind of went into depth about. And, like, I was just kind of sitting there, and I'm like, I'm gonna cry.

[Caroline]

And I wanna say, this is pre. This is pre. Like, your audience. Like, this was pre. Like, following Pre. Like, I think I had just hit.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, 10K on Instagram.

[Caroline]

Yeah. So at this point, like, you're not, like, who you are today, where you can be like, that's just not true at the time.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I still kind of do. Like, I had a, like, an authority. Authoritative thing where, like, I don't. I don't speak up against authority, kind of.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I was just like, okay, I'm gonna go and cut in my room now. And then he. The next day, he felt really bad, and so he. He took me out to lunch.

[Caroline]

I don't remember you going.

[Grace O'Malley]

We had to go get lunch, me and this other kid. And he was just like, you know, I didn't mean that. And then he told a standup joke that he said he did stand up before, and it was literally copying Mulaney.

[Caroline]

Like, a full on.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was a joke about, like. Like, walking too close to a woman at night, and she just keeps looking over her shoulder. Is that Mulaney?

[Caroline]

I don't know. I know Dave Chappelle has a really good bit about that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Too.

[Caroline]

But the Dave Chappelle one kind of hinges on him being black. So it is funny to be like, hey, listen, I'm a really good guy. Listen to my standup joke.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. He's like, sorry about you want to do stand up. I've done plenty.

[Caroline]

Let me tell you a really good repeat. Yeah, let me tell you a really good one.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then, so then that, that night. Fast forward the next night, the rampage, all that jazz. Me and you are in our rooms hearing him lurk around the house.

[Caroline]

So this was when he came in the Uber late with. Yeah, yeah. So he is going up and down the stairs. It's like one of those like townhouses. So it's like three floors. We have a group chat, which I wish that I could find these text messages. But like I, I have him.

[Grace O'Malley]

You do? I have them.

[Caroline]

The.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've never deleted a test message.

[Caroline]

I've always wanted these chats. So I believe one of the girls said, guys, I'm so scared. He's coming up and down the stairs. Lock your room, lock your doors.

[Grace O'Malley]

The message name is Rip. His name. Rest in peace, his name.

[Caroline]

And the picture is in blacked out at our Airbnb.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, it is. We took a picture of him pass up. We're little kids.

[Caroline]

We're children. Like imagine this happening to like Nora. Like I would be like, what the fuck? Like a 45 year old guy.

[Grace O'Malley]

You have to get out of that. That's crazy. Let me see if I can find these. Oh my God.

[Caroline]

I'll explain it while you find the text.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay.

[Caroline]

We're all texting. The girls are like, we're scared. We're scared too. We all lock the doors. It's about three minutes of us sitting in our beds texting each other, all the lights off. Our doors locked. Me and Grace are on the first floor, like the main floor. And so like he's going up and down. He's going up and down. We're like, what is he doing? He's going up and down. He's blackout. He's murmuring. So scary. At one point, he opens the door to me and Grace's room and we both scream bloody murder. I think we both scream. And he just closes the door.

[Grace O'Malley]

He's like.

[Caroline]

And waves.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, here's. I found it. 5:30 in the morning. Guys, I'm scared. That's blank. Walking around. I'm creeped out. You said, I'm scared too. Someone else said, like, he's right outside our door. I keep hearing him. Why is he walking up and down the stairs like that. Caroline, you said, this is so fucked up. Is your door locked? Ours is locked. And then I.

[Caroline]

By the way, it wasn't.

[Grace O'Malley]

It didn't work. Oh, Becca. Caroline, you go. He came in our room. The door didn't lock. He's so scary. I think he's gone. The next day, I made dinner reservations at an Italian restaurant for five of us.

[Caroline]

Oh, it's so funny. And, like, the other thing, too, is, like, one of the girls there was absolutely stunning, but she has stunning, stunning. Literally the prettiest girl ever. She had a little bit of, like, a skin thing. I don't know if it was, like, eczema, like, so minor. And he would talk so much about it to me.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah.

[Caroline]

Which was just, like, crazy and weird. Like, this girl's, like, 22 years old, and she has a little bit of eczema.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's out of control. It was literally.

[Caroline]

He was like, this. He's like, this has that.

[Grace O'Malley]

He's like, literally, like. He's literally doing, like, the vine. You got eczem.

[Caroline]

Yeah. He's like, literally, like, look at this bitch. She doesn't use CeraVe cream. Like, she needs a heavier moisturizer.

[Grace O'Malley]

We're gonna have to get you a sponsor.

[Caroline]

We're really talking shit about a girl who has eczema.

[Grace O'Malley]

We're talking about a woman's skin. Can we stop, dude? So that was crazy.

[Caroline]

And we didn't tell his higher ups because we were young and scared.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And for whatever reason we felt for him. We felt for the guy.

[Caroline]

The next day, he apologized. He called people out of order. So he apologized to people who he apolog. And I literally was like, you should call Grace. Like, why are you apologizing to me? I was like, all you did was, like, really scare me.

[Grace O'Malley]

All you did was scare the out of me.

[Caroline]

But, like, you made other people cry.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, he.

[Caroline]

He was weird. And then he bought Becca Moore a suitcase.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yes.

[Caroline]

Yeah. It was like, really? And then eventually he got fired, but they didn't, like, take his email away. And so I don't know if you still worked there at this point, but, like.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, you really kept in touch.

[Caroline]

No, it was while I still worked there.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, okay.

[Caroline]

Like, it was like, a little bit after, like, the week after, he put in, like, the Google Doc thing that they use to, like, on the meetings of what is, like, the agenda, like, asana or something. He, like, just put, like, his boss, like, in every single thing. Wow.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's one way to leave a company.

[Caroline]

Which is Kind of like.

[Grace O'Malley]

Kind of baller.

[Caroline]

No, you have to have these characters. You have to have these characters.

[Grace O'Malley]

I need to know what he's up to right now in this moment.

[Caroline]

I. I don't even think I. Oh, he unfollowed me.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm a couple. I want to get his take on this. Hey. Hey. What's up? You have. You have time to talk for a sec? Yeah. All right. I'm doing. I'm doing a podcast with Caroline right now. We're going down memory lane.

[Caroline]

What's up?

[Grace O'Malley]

Any. Anything you'd like to add to your time of. Total frat move. And we'll bleep his name. But any. Any thoughts on. I don't know how that guy is in a padded room. The fact that he's walking out freely should concern everybody listening to this right now. You heard it here first, folks.

[Caroline]

Padded room.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wish you well, buddy. Bye.

[Caroline]

Describing someone as being in a padded room is just. I think we could all learn from being in a padded room.

[Grace O'Malley]

I didn't learn shit.

[Caroline]

Oh, I forgot you. What's so crazy? Are they, as they look in the movies where they're, like, all white? Because that would actually make me go crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

I didn't actually get a pedigree room. They actually. They try to keep you serene in an all white room.

[Caroline]

Why? That doesn't seem like it would help, though.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's all white. But then they add nature pictures to make you feel like you calm down.

[Caroline]

It's all posters from when you're at your dentist where it's like. Yeah, like animals with like a. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which actually just makes you feel like a cuckoo loser kid.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but, like, you're a successful cuckoo. Like, not a loser kid.

[Grace O'Malley]

I should have went to rehab.

[Caroline]

Big mistake. Huge. No. And by the way, like, people do that all the time. Like, they don't want to go to rehab. So, like, I went to, like, a mental health facility because apparently for some reason, having mental health problems is, like, less than having going to rehab. And I'm like, both sides.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, get help.

[Caroline]

I know. I think that if. If you not saying that you should ever go again. If you do, I think you have now upgraded to, like, one of those rich people, like, golf course retreats.

[Grace O'Malley]

That sounds nice. But here's the thing. You go to. If I go to rehab, it's forever.

[Caroline]

Like, you're never gonna drink again.

[Grace O'Malley]

I just wouldn't.

[Caroline]

Okay. Do you think you have to go to rehab?

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

But when I do get there, it's a Lifelong commitment.

[Caroline]

Totally. And, like, you have to, like, do, like.

[Grace O'Malley]

There's no way. This is where I'm set off on the whole. I'm so happy for everyone who's sober. I really love. I love that for you. That's amazing. And one day I will get there. But there's no way to go sober with these steps without God. And that's where I defer.

[Caroline]

I think that there is believing in a higher power. We're, like, getting so deep now. I believe believing in a higher power is really helpful for a lot of things, including loss of a family member. Ptsd.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Sobriety. I also think, like, sobriety is a choice for some people. I think some people could just, like, drink less.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

But obviously, if you have addiction, that's different.

[Grace O'Malley]

Much like many things, it's a. What do you call that? Not a scale. It's a spectrum.

[Caroline]

Spectrum.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's a spectrum.

[Caroline]

So do you not believe in God?

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know what I do. I. I don't believe in God. I believe in my grandmother. That. And that sounds insane, but my grandmother passed away and, like, I kind of like.

[Caroline]

You believe in an afterlife.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't believe anything anymore.

[Caroline]

I kind of think. Grace. I kind of think that's a part of growing up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. It's just like, people just making numbers up.

[Caroline]

No, that's the thing. I think that's totally fine. Do you think, like. Because people say. And I'm not sure which one it is. Maybe you guys know, but, like, Robins are your.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Yeah, they believe. I've heard that that's your.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's your family member reincarnated.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Checking in on you. I think that's beautiful. I think signs are beautiful. I just. I. I can't. I grew up Catholic, can't speak. I can't subscribe to everything I was taught.

[Caroline]

Yeah, of course.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was just, like. I was made to feel bad for being born out of wedlock. Not my fault, girl.

[Caroline]

That's not your fault.

[Grace O'Malley]

Literally didn't do anything wrong. I'm a little fucking bastard. Okay. Spank me.

[Caroline]

Yes. Spank me a little bastard.

[Grace O'Malley]

Make me priest. But they wanted boys, so it's just like a whole cat and mouse chase.

[Caroline]

I think, like, that makes sense. I think we have to believe in our family members. I also have to believe in that.

[Grace O'Malley]

I sound like my dad. I don't care what any do. I just don't get it.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, everyone. I think everyone's entitled to everything they believe. I just. I personally can't get behind it. Not quite yet. Not. Not in this moment of time in my life.

[Caroline]

I think people understand that I'm.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm living godlessly. I was just told yesterday, left handed people are seen, which I am royalty. Oh. Because it was actually quite the opposite.

[Caroline]

Oh.

[Grace O'Malley]

The Italian word for left. Sinistra. Sinistra. So it's sinister. And so, like, I'm. I guess sinister. And it's also. The French word is Ghosh. Ghosh. Oh, it's Ghosh. Like he's gauche.

[Caroline]

Oh, so like, you're trying to do a left hand.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like it's gauche and sinister. So even being left handed, I'm a piece of shit. And my grandmother. Yes, the. The nuns would.

[Caroline]

For being left handed.

[Grace O'Malley]

For being left handed. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Do you ever hear stories from your grandma or your older, like, family members and you're just like, what, like, what time period is this?

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, that sounds like Little House in the Prairie days.

[Caroline]

For being left handed.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Isn't being left handed, like, good in sports? Because a lot of people can't go left.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, but that's like, not. Not me doing penmanship in the. In the. In God's house.

[Caroline]

So I feel like, did your grandma end up using her right hand or her left hand?

[Grace O'Malley]

I think she ended up being ambidextrous because she was such a. A good. A good kid. She didn't want to upset anybody.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

And also, why can't anyone write incursive anymore? They're just done.

[Caroline]

Because no one can read it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

[Caroline]

And why did I spend so much time learning it?

[Grace O'Malley]

I can't even. I don't even have a good signature. Do you have a good signature?

[Caroline]

I think it's like, okay, I don't have a good name for a signature because, like, B, pretty. But. Yeah, but like, C is like, not a pretty thing in cursive. Like, it doesn't like. You know what I mean? Whereas, like, other people. Like, a G is very beautiful and cursive. But do you sign things a lot?

[Grace O'Malley]

No, just boobs.

[Caroline]

Oh, what's it like signing a boob?

[Grace O'Malley]

Really classy.

[Caroline]

Do you prefer intimate, fake or real?

[Grace O'Malley]

Listen, boobs are boobs. I love my boobs.

[Caroline]

But when you're signing them. No, I feel like fake might be.

[Grace O'Malley]

Easier to fake is easier. But squishy's fun. Yeah, totally. Am I right, boys?

[Caroline]

Okay, top three boobs, let's go.

[Grace O'Malley]

What are your top three boobs? Sorry.

[Caroline]

Oh, my. Top three boobs.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, that was. That was high on the list of questions to ask. You.

[Caroline]

Oh, man, my top three boobs. Pamela Anderson. Alexandra Dadario.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yes.

[Caroline]

And then, of course, wait. I do think it's really interesting, like, how you feel about your grandma. Like, I totally understand that. I think that's so interesting. And I think, like, that's like, the way we should feel. Like we should feel like. I do get nervous, though, that my all of my ancestors are all watching me, like, when I, like, blow up a bathroom.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, See, I, I, I get, I get nervous that they can only see me when I'm on my roommate's couch masturbating.

[Caroline]

No, I was gonn. And by the way, I can see you. Yeah, your roommate can see you. No, I totally understand. Like, I, I, But I think, like, we have to think that way. Like, I don't think there's any other way to think. Like, you can't just think it's over. How does that make sense?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it's not a good way of thinking. It's just like, what? It's just. Oh, they just. Oh, my God.

[Caroline]

They shut off everything's energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed.

[Grace O'Malley]

You were bringing this up the other day.

[Caroline]

I'm kind of becoming woo Woo, guys. I never thought I would be, but I'm kind of becoming woo woo because we're made of atoms and atoms are mostly made of energy. So let me just say, like, I'm one of the least successful of my friends. So, like, what the. No. And then I'm not even like, no, I'm not even looking for, like, I'm not even being like, I'm so. I'm not looking for that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Why are you being a stinker?

[Caroline]

No, I'm not being a sticker. I'm just being honest. So, like, I'm not even being honest. No. No. So I'm saying this, and like, I.

[Grace O'Malley]

We never even talked about your show that you just went on tour for. Like, you shut the hell up.

[Caroline]

It's a one more musical. We do Communion, but it's all shots of vodka. It's really fun. I'm doing it at New York Comedy Festival in November. I'm doing two shows hopefully, because, like, two shows.

[Grace O'Malley]

Can I open for you?

[Caroline]

Oh, my God, I would love that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Oh, my God. Really? You're probably gonna, like, be doing bigger shows.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, I'm not doing any shows.

[Caroline]

Wait, that's like, so sweet. That'd be so sweet.

[Grace O'Malley]

Got her on camera.

[Caroline]

You're probably gonna be doing bigger shows. It's, like, so nice that you would do that. Like, really, you're like, like, the thing about Grace is, like, she's such a good friend.

[Grace O'Malley]

I just want to see the show.

[Caroline]

And I. Anyways, I, I, I just feel like energy can't be created or destroyed. It's only transferred. And so, like, another thing is, like, when you're mad at someone, you're transferring energy, or, like, have you ever, like, gas someone up, you've been a good friend, and then they're not there for you. What you're doing is you're transferring energy to them and they're keeping it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh.

[Caroline]

And so that's why it, like, feels so wrong. Interesting, because obviously, like, for our friends, our loved ones, like, we would love to do things with nothing in return, but, like, there's something about the fact of someone taking energy and not giving it back where you're like, whoa. And so everything is energy. And so, like, if you're putting a lot of energy towards, like, a project or something you love or a person you love, the energy has to go somewhere. And then there's like, quantum physics that kind of gets involved where it's like, there's different worlds. And, like, you're, Your question that you've been.

[Grace O'Malley]

You were asking people this for a little bit.

[Caroline]

I was asking people. I do.

[Grace O'Malley]

I really like this question. It's a great question to get, like, anybody talking.

[Caroline]

If you don't know, what was your past life?

[Grace O'Malley]

My past life was. I was a newsy.

[Caroline]

Which is the best question. That's the best answer anyone's had to that question.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was literally a little newsboy. Get your paper here.

[Caroline]

Were you like, did you have, like, a wooden leg? Like, I definitely had a scally cap.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know that. Suspended. I'm like, I'm, I'm not in Boston. I'm in New York.

[Caroline]

Yeah, you're totally New York.

[Grace O'Malley]

I like, my parents just got off the boat. They don't even speak English. They're pissing me off. I'm, like, out there, I'm learning English. I'm getting after it.

[Caroline]

And like, you and the boys. And that's so. That makes so much sense because, like, you and the boys are like, every day, like, oh, we're causing a little trouble. Yeah. And you're running around the city.

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you ever seen the movie where they. No, I haven't seen Newsies. I have to see Newsies.

[Caroline]

I haven't seen it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you seen the movie where they push the hot dog cart down and they accidentally killed some guy and Sleepers?

[Caroline]

No, I've never heard of this.

[Grace O'Malley]

I feel like I've lived sleepers.

[Caroline]

I'll watch it. It's really good.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's really good. And then what was yours?

[Caroline]

Mine was, like, kind of, like, really stupid. One time, I tried to do. There's a book called Many Lives, Many Masters, which is about all of our lives. And I think, personally, if you're, like, struggling with a fear of death or a death of a loved one, I don't know if I really believe in it. But this book does give you a sense of peace because it, like, shows evidence on how that. That this could happen. It's like Dr. Brian Weiss or something. So if you're feeling that way, like, I read it, I was like, a fear of immortal. I was a fear of morality, basically. So I read it, and it made me feel better, even though I don't believe it. So, like, read it if you're having that fear. But anyways, in the book, there's a. There's meditations you can do to find your past life. So I did one. My past life, I was, like, basically like Don Draper. Like, I was a handsome man, and I had a wife who was, like, mentally ill. I totally neglected her, and I was just, like, a hustler. Like, I didn't really care about anyone else. I wore suits. I just was, like, an entrepreneur. I am an inevitable. And it was, like, all about me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And I think I'm a very ambitious person and a workaholic, and so I think that's what comes in this life. But my mentally ill wife, in my meditation.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh.

[Caroline]

And I think that now in this life, because I, like, neglected her, I now have all her mental illness. So in this life, I became her.

[Grace O'Malley]

I hate to laugh.

[Caroline]

No, in this life, I became my mentally. I became Betty Draper, and now I have, like, all of the ambition and, like, the adventurous things of dawn with the mental illness of Betty and the struggles of just, like, being a woman and a blonde and fake, but. And looks great, though. Yeah. Thank you. So anyways, I, like, feel like I. It's, like, so stupid.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's, like, an even more in depth.

[Caroline]

Like, I, I. I can send you the meditation.

[Grace O'Malley]

You did it on Oprah. Really?

[Caroline]

He did it on Oprah?

[Grace O'Malley]

On Oprah is absolutely accurate and perfect, of course.

[Caroline]

So, yeah, I like, I think, like, that's, like, my lesson to learn. My lesson to learn. Like, my cross to bear in this life is, like, being mentally ill, and you might be like, girl, you're not that mentally ill. Look at my prescriptions. I dare You.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't even get the same ones. I just stopped taking them.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that is so true. I just make you so tired. They make you so tired. And that's why, like, I stopped, like, honestly drinking.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah.

[Caroline]

Because immediately when I would drink, I'd fall asleep.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, shit.

[Caroline]

Cut to you snorting your Adderall for you. Well, I had to pick one. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Should I be saying or should I have a blast?

[Caroline]

It's honestly hard. And by the way, the medication will be waiting for you when you're ready.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I can't wait.

[Caroline]

And honestly, Grace, like, this is kind of a fucking crazy thing for me to say, and of course I'm not with you 24 7, but I. I do think, like, off the meds. You do a lot better than I would think. Like, I would, like, if I didn't take them, I think I would be really, really crazy. But then I see you and I'm like, maybe they're holding me back. It's.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everyone's a different case.

[Caroline]

I know, but like, I look at you, I'm like, grace, I also think.

[Grace O'Malley]

I also think I got misdiagnosed.

[Caroline]

You think? I don't know. Did you take the pills for a while and they didn't work?

[Grace O'Malley]

I took them for a while and I felt fine.

[Caroline]

Well, I will say I have. Okay, so we have a lot of mutual friends.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

And there's two friends in particular that both start with S and are both comedians.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

One of them stopped taking their meds and said they felt a lot better. The other one is kinda like anti modern medicine and stop taking her meds as well. I'm not gonna say that they're like. But I do think that they're negative. Like, I do think, like, they are more negative than they would be if they took them. And honestly, I would say that to her.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

I think they're both, like, doing a really, really good job. Like, both of them are like, really are like, probably meant or mentally. Well, but it's interesting because you just, like, don't know. And like, I actually had a psychiatrist appointment today and she was like, you know, it's all trial, trial and error. And I'm like, low key. Like, can we fix that?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I know. We can't be doing trial this up.

[Caroline]

We can't be doing trial and error.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, the error is too. It hurts too hard. Yeah, we can. We just. Doctors should just know.

[Caroline]

Doctors should know.

[Grace O'Malley]

You should just know. Read my. Read my chemicals and put more in me. I don't know.

[Caroline]

And like, it's kind of crazy that we can't just, like. I mean, there's nothing you can do but, like. Yeah, it's just crazy. But anyways, honestly, like, I. I don't know if you would do better on them, but you're, like, kind of doing a good job off of them.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, I said I should go back on them, but my.

[Caroline]

But, like, here's my thing.

[Grace O'Malley]

My highs aren't high enough on them in general. I get the low lows, but I don't get those high, sporadic highs.

[Caroline]

Oh, then you should go on it. Well, because your lows aren't really low.

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's the thing about bipolar. Like, you're supposed to get the high high and then the low low. My high high is no high. It's just fine. So I'm just fine. I think I'm just, like, depressed.

[Caroline]

I think you're depressed. I. But I also think that. And I'm not a psychologist, I don't know that much about this. I do think in our lifetime, there will be. Because there's type one, bipolar, and type two. I do think there'll be a type three. There's gotta be, because I.

[Grace O'Malley]

Because I don't feel like I fit one. One of those.

[Caroline]

You, me, one of our close mutual friends. And then also, like, a bunch of influencers are all on the same medication that you and me were prescribed, which is for bipolar.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And I don't think that they match type one or type two, granted. I don't know some of these influencers really well.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And we only see their highlights.

[Caroline]

We only see their highlights. But for you, me, and our mutual friend, I just don't think we fit one or two. But we do. The medication does help.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

So I think that in our lifetime, there'll be a type 3.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think. I think it is like a mental illness that that helps you be creative as well.

[Caroline]

Well, you're thinking differently.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's like, yeah.

[Caroline]

Which I also like. I'm like, maybe I should stop taking them.

[Grace O'Malley]

Because we're like, I'm not gonna suggest that because I'm not a doctor. I'm just a fake podcast host.

[Caroline]

It seems like you're a real podcast host, because this is a real podcast.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is actually late night, and I'm.

[Caroline]

Stephen Colbert, and you're Stephen Colbert. Oh, wait. You should pick a different one, because I do think his show is canceled.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm buying it back.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I'm buying it back, actually.

[Caroline]

Wait. Colbert signs with unwell. Honestly. Alex. Alex, get on it. Alex, get on it, Alex, get on it.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's really funny.

[Caroline]

That would actually be, like, so freaking crazy. You, like, share a studio with Colbert. Oh, my God.

[Grace O'Malley]

Walk up four flights of stairs.

[Caroline]

I think he'd do it.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think he would do it in a heartbeat. He probably takes ginger shots all the time.

[Caroline]

No, I think so too. He's like an icon. He's so funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

Speak of icons. What a segue.

[Caroline]

How.

[Grace O'Malley]

How was Tim Dillon's party?

[Caroline]

Oh, my God. Is it crazy for me to talk about it?

[Grace O'Malley]

Is it?

[Caroline]

It was amazing. It's always amazing. I think his house is incredible. I think, like, Tim Dillon is so funny, like, unbelievably funny in, like, a such a specific way. There's always an interesting person. This year it was Ann Coulter.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, Ann Coulter. She was on the Apprentice.

[Caroline]

That's so funny that that's where you know her from.

[Grace O'Malley]

The Apprentice was actually a great show. Before all that, I saw, I actually.

[Caroline]

Saw a clip of Trump on Wendy Williams.

[Grace O'Malley]

What?

[Caroline]

And girl, he was slinging bits. Like, it's so unfortunate that he decided to become president. Like, he honestly flew too close to the sun.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Because he was kind of like. Like, it's like Wendy Williams, like, Wendy Williams is so good at what she does and she needs to be back on tv. But if she was like, you know, I think I want to get involved in politics, I'd be like, you shouldn't be doing that. Just have a pot. Like, honestly, like, I think Trump just needed a podcast.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God, Trump. That's what you go back in time and you do.

[Caroline]

I give Trump a podcast.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's 2010. Have you heard what Rogan's doing? He's just live streaming whatever he wants to say. Why don't you join in with that?

[Caroline]

He just needed a podcast mic. And honestly, it could be one of those things where, like in the office when they give Creed a blog where, like, we actually never put it out. But I actually think that Trump just needed a podcast. He needed something to get his feelings out. He needed a creative process and like.

[Grace O'Malley]

And creative process and not policies.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but I. Yeah, no, like, absolutely, absolutely. I just think, like, that's what I would do. I'd go back in time and give him a podcast.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I think that. Yeah, he just needed an outlet.

[Caroline]

My boyfriend said if he could go back in time, he wouldn't kill Hitler. He would take Hitler to the Lifetime store. Cuz it would. It would change the course of his life.

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I truly believe that they are the most comfortable shoe around town. They're cushioned, supportive, lightweight, and secure. What more could you really ask for? I'll say shop the [e-mail].

Wait, hold on. Okay, real quick. Eras tour. Era. Yeah. And then she did Lifetime.

[Caroline]

No, I know. Well, I think that Taylor Swift and I didn't see the ERAS Tour, but I think, like, everyone talks about the ERAS Tour. Like, it's like meeting God. And so I imagine it's gotta be like, either, like, it has to be like such an amazing tour that now everyone around them are like, oh, it's kind of like crowd work clips. Like, yeah, that's our ERA store. Like, crowd work clips are, like, popping off. So everyone's like, I gotta do it. And I think that that's like the ERAS Tour. Like, the ERAS Tour was like, this big thing. So now every single musicians, like, okay, I have to make it.

[Grace O'Malley]

I gotta go through my whole catalog and make this a timeless event.

[Caroline]

Yeah. And there has to be, like, sections and there has to be a theme. And, like, I mean, I'm all for, like, theatrics. I think that that's why. I think that's why also they have beef too, if you. They squashed it.

[Grace O'Malley]

But if you look back, wouldn't want beef with her. I'll say that.

[Caroline]

I would not want people.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, thank you.

[Caroline]

I would not want people.

[Grace O'Malley]

I hate. Oh, my God. I had something to say about Taylor Swift, but it's probably better off I keep it in.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I can't remember what it Was.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh. Oh. I just couldn't believe how bad her website was.

[Caroline]

Her website?

[Grace O'Malley]

Her website. Everyone was talking about the interface of the website. When everyone was waiting for it to drop, everyone was like, taylor Swift is the biggest of all time in her.

[Caroline]

Can I say something?

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know. Should you?

[Caroline]

That's how I feel. And I'm not singling her out. That's how I feel about, like, merge, like, some of the biggest stars with, like, some of the greatest musical collaborations of all time. Greatest music of all time. Incredible artwork. Worse. Worst merch I've ever seen.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. I mean, some people just can't nail it.

[Caroline]

I'm like, girl, just find a Bushwick graphic designer.

[Grace O'Malley]

That ass.

[Caroline]

Literally go on Instagram.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's that easy.

[Caroline]

There's so many good graphic designers.

[Grace O'Malley]

It really is. Especially, yeah, Brooklyn.

[Caroline]

No, I know, but I don't know. Like, I think sometimes, like, higher up and, like, really successful feet, like, in creative fields, really successful people, like, aren't creative. Not saying the performers. I'm saying, like, the people who work for them.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Like, you know, they're also, like, the.

[Grace O'Malley]

Performers don't want to be bothered with the merch because they don't really care because they're already making so much money, so they don't really care. It's just extra money in their pocket.

[Caroline]

But also, like, I know a lot of performers are designers, too, and are into fashion. But it's like. Like Taylor Swift, for example. She's a singer, a performer, a songwriter. She's a director. Like, I'm not.

[Grace O'Malley]

She know about cameras?

[Caroline]

What does she know? Yeah, who the fuck she know about cameras? I love Lady Gaga. But, like, I'm not gonna expect Taylor Swift to, like, make like. Like, have the best eye for graphic design. But like, someone on her team should. I've never.

[Grace O'Malley]

And this is my other thing. Like, why have they never even thought to make, instead of a sweatshirt, dresses these girls?

[Caroline]

Taylor, if you're watching, like, it's a sorority. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

All of her exes, Katie, it's.

[Caroline]

But the thing about it is they all unite on Disgraceful. Like, that's like, they all have such beef with each other, but they all unite on Disgraceful. Also, I'm a fan of all three of those people. Like, sorry.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, I do have to weird brag for a second. Right after you saw Katy Perry. I was sitting next to her at dinner.

[Caroline]

I was so jealous.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was sitting next to her at dinner. And who was she at dinner with?

[Caroline]

There was someone else famous.

[Grace O'Malley]

When I walked into the Restaurant. It was like one of those fancy restaurants out in Montauk. We did it, like, twice. And when I walked in, I was like, I haven't seen anybody I know, and I haven't seen a famous person immediately saw someone I know, and they're like, there's a famous person right there.

[Caroline]

I did see a famous person in Montauk.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts. They were having dinner together. I tried not to look because I'm like, I'll stare. And I just. I try to give them their space. All that jazz, of course. And my friends couldn't stop staring. But one of my friends is. One of. One of my friends is blind. Like, a little.

[Caroline]

Which one's blind?

[Grace O'Malley]

Joey. He can't see, really? If he doesn't have his glasses, he literally can't see. So he's staring.

[Caroline]

He doesn't wear contacts?

[Grace O'Malley]

No.

[Caroline]

I didn't know he was blind.

[Grace O'Malley]

Dead ass going like this.

[Caroline]

How is he playing that card game?

[Grace O'Malley]

They're right here. Joey sits right here.

[Caroline]

Joey, I know you're like this. I know you're blind. I know Joey's blind, but if he doesn't know, his girlfriend's, like, a stunner.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous.

[Caroline]

He doesn't even know he loves her for her personality.

[Grace O'Malley]

People go up to her and say, you're Dua Lipa.

[Caroline]

No, she's so beautiful. But she must have a really great personality because her boyfriend's blind. He doesn't even know.

[Grace O'Malley]

Literally blind. Yes. Like, she's got it all.

[Caroline]

No. That's so funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

And so he's staring at Nicole Kidman. I'm like, stop. And then Katy Perry walks in, and my friend say, goes, is that Katie Perry? I was like, yo, guys, can we please cool it?

[Caroline]

That's absolutely so funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then I feel like I felt like a mom. And then. And then I think I. I, like, kind of overreacted. And I was like, guys, can you just calm down? They're, like, fine. Sorry. We were excited.

[Caroline]

And I was like, yeah, that's so funny. Also, those three people, Naomi Watts, Nicole Kidman, and Katy Perry, are, like, famous people that, like, look famous. Do you know what I mean?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, they've got that glow.

[Caroline]

Like, minor facelift.

[Grace O'Malley]

Nicole. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Like, literally, they look, like, insane. Like, they look beautiful.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, I. I will say, Nicole Kidman looked so very beautiful. But she literally. If someone didn't kind of like, point her out to me, I don't think I would have noticed.

[Caroline]

Really?

[Grace O'Malley]

She was also wearing. She was. She is her character. She Was wearing, like a head scarf, a pinstripe suit, like a headscarf. Like when the sun was still out and then when it wasn't, she, like, I think she, like wrapped it kind of iconic. Yeah, she. I mean, she's just like.

[Caroline]

Is her character and a big pair of glasses.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wish.

[Caroline]

It's kind of scary.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know she kind of had it going on. And then throughout the dinner, me and my friends were like, what would be really fun? Like, so Nicole Kidman and Naomi Morris.

[Caroline]

To send to them.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, so I was so confused. Nicole Kidman and Katy Perry had a warm embrace. I get that they're both famous, but how the fuck do they know each other?

[Caroline]

I think that Katy Perry, American Idol.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, Keith Urban, Nicole Kidman's husband did American Idol with Katy Perry.

[Caroline]

I forgot that Katy Perry did American Idol.

[Grace O'Malley]

How could you forget?

[Caroline]

You gotta.

[Grace O'Malley]

You gotta re. Watch those clips. They're incredible. Do you say wig? I love that.

[Caroline]

No, I know. It's so funny. Wait, that's. I forget. Yeah, it's kind of funny how like, also, like, you ever hear about, like, friendships within celebrities? Like, did you know Leah Remini and JLO were like, best friends for, like, they're not anymore. I feel like I heard that. I don't know. I'm not trying to stir tea. I'm not trying to sir tea sometimes.

[Grace O'Malley]

And JLO just thought she got away from it all.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but it's like, how do those two know each other? Do you know what I mean?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

What's interesting, it's kind of like amazing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Scientology, maybe?

[Caroline]

No, JLo, like, they went on like, watch what Happens Live. And I like, weirdly know a lot about this. Jayla was like, it's because I'm like, obsessed with Scientology. I'm also obsessed. Well, my boyfriend's obsessed with Mormonism, so I've learned a lot from him.

[Grace O'Malley]

But non practicing.

[Caroline]

Totally. But we look it. But JLO said, like, on Watch what Happens Live, she was like, that Scientology stuff was always so whack. Like, she was like, girl. I was always like, why are you doing that?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, really? Yeah. I'm so funny. That's so wild. Okay, so then my next question was while we were at the dinner, like, while we were eating dinner and Katy Perry, the rest of them had left. Katy Perry's still there. And we were trying to come up with what would be like, something Katy Perry's never heard besides the fact that you loved her concert. What is something she has never heard that would make her be like, I'm really glad that person came up to me. This was mine. I was gonna go up to her.

[Caroline]

And go like this, Katie, watch a trick.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then just walk away.

[Caroline]

No, like, low key. I think that would have been. I think she would have been like, do you want to open for me? It's a woman smile. You know that line?

[Grace O'Malley]

That's it.

[Caroline]

No. I wonder what you could say to Katie, because it's like, what do you say to a woman who has platinum hits and also could be in circus la.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And has dated.

[Grace O'Malley]

I took your breath away.

[Caroline]

She took my breath away, and thank God she did, because there was a stinky person in front of me. What would I say to her? That's my thing is, like, I think that she's been famous so long and got famous so young. Like, by the time she was our age, like, she was so famous that, like, I just don't even know what, like. You know what I mean? She's been a space.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. I mean, she, like. Yeah, she. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Like, she's not in our reality.

[Grace O'Malley]

No. She's literally world beyond.

[Caroline]

I think that you should have done that. I think you should have gone up and done that.

[Grace O'Malley]

I thought about it. I pivoted a couple times in the parking lot.

[Caroline]

That was actually pretty impressive. Do you have any other secret tricks?

[Grace O'Malley]

That's kind of like my big one.

[Caroline]

That's good.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's my big trick. Oh, I can do this.

[Caroline]

I've always wanted to be able to do that. How do you do it?

[Grace O'Malley]

I really, really, really, really, really wanted to fit in with the guys when I was younger.

[Caroline]

Oh, how do you do it?

[Grace O'Malley]

Cause you just have to let your fingers loose. It's your two. These two are smacking against each other.

[Caroline]

Wait, I should stop doing one of those.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's fun.

[Caroline]

It didn't look right when.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it looks weird.

[Caroline]

Wait, do you have a lot. Do you have a lot of guy friends growing up?

[Grace O'Malley]

No, I just. I always wanted to be in with them, and they. They didn't. They didn't really even, like, hanging out with. Like, we would just show up places, and they'd be like, girls are here.

[Caroline]

So, like, you had a girl group that wanted to be in with the guys?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, we'd always be like, want to give you guys. What do you play? Manhunt was Manhattan. Okay, so manhunt is like tag, but, like, a little. There's teams.

[Caroline]

Well, you know, I played Christians versus the Chinese government growing up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, yes, yes. Y.

[Caroline]

That was my. The game we played growing up. It was like, cops And Roberts, but it was Christians versus Chinese government, which.

[Grace O'Malley]

Is one of my favorite jokes.

[Caroline]

It's also a joke. It's actually true. Okay, so it's like tag.

[Grace O'Malley]

I just. I don't know how to go past that.

[Caroline]

I'm sorry. It is insane.

[Grace O'Malley]

It is so good.

[Caroline]

I mean, I can teach you the rules if you're okay.

[Grace O'Malley]

Please. Because I'm sure not a single person wants me to just hop right over that. No, no, no, no, no.

[Caroline]

We can come back. I want to hear about manhunt.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, it's not even worth it.

[Caroline]

Well, I kind of want to go into the psychology of, like, why girls want to fit in with boys so bad growing up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Caroline]

We'll do both. Okay. Basically, at my home school, like, everyone was Christian, obviously, and instead of cops and robbers or capture the flag, we played Christians versus the Chinese government. So there was one team that was the Chinese government for you, the children. Yes. And, well, I kind of, like, low key think we came up with it, which is, like, kind of interesting because.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was trying to get you off the hook.

[Caroline]

No, I know, but it makes you, like, realize, like, Like. Because, like, there was a lot of things about, like, missionaries. And, like, missionaries are like. They're like, amazing. And like, being a Christian is, like, outlawed in China, which, like, I don't. I don't know about this. And it's like, so there was the Chinese government and there was the church, and within the church there was a pastor. And basically, if the Chinese government captured the pastor, they won. It was like Capture the Flag where, like, the Chinese government would put people in jail and then the pastor could. Could get them out, but they'd have to, like, recite a verse, and the verse goes as any verse you want.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, wow. Like, whoever should be choice, whoever should.

[Caroline]

Keep the whole law and yet stumble at one point, he is guilty of all.

[Grace O'Malley]

Of all.

[Caroline]

Isn't that crazy? If you mess up once, you're guilty of all. Of course, for God to love the world that he gave his only son, Jesus Christ to die. You know what I mean?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

There's so many. There's so many.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, wow.

[Caroline]

There's so many. You could pick. Jesus wept. That's a verse.

[Grace O'Malley]

I thought being an altar girl was life altering.

[Caroline]

That makes sense.

[Grace O'Malley]

Alter.

[Caroline]

Alter.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Wow. That's crazy.

[Caroline]

Okay. Manhunt.

[Grace O'Malley]

Manhunt.

[Caroline]

So it's like tag.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's like tag. It's nothing like the Chinese government versus the church.

[Caroline]

But no, it sounds more violent.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's kind of like Freeze tag. Yeah, there's a jail. You got to get your friends out of jail. Basically, Manhunt was a ploy to play truth or dare. You would invite everyone over to your neighborhood, play manhunt, get bored, and then say, should we please you? The door.

[Caroline]

Did you ever play Spin the Bottle?

[Grace O'Malley]

I talked about this on the last podcast. Other people did, but I was asked to leave.

[Caroline]

You're fucking kidding me.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I was just like. It was just not a game for Grace. I would cry at most birthday parties. I was that kid.

[Caroline]

Even birthday parties that weren't your own, especially. Yeah. I mean, here's the deal is this is. What I'm saying is, like, those things that happen to when you're younger. Like, I remember, like, a birthday party. Like, I. I picked out this, like, gift for this girl, personalized all this stuff, and then the next birthday party I was at, she regave the gift, and I was like, oh, like, some. Those things, like, actually really hurt your feelings, and you'll never forget them.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wish I still had my diary.

[Caroline]

I do, too. But the thing about it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Do you not have it?

[Caroline]

Well, the thing about it is, like, my siblings would read my diary, so, like, I had to get rid of them.

[Grace O'Malley]

My dad read my diary, and I had to rip it up. Of course, he made me rip it up in front of him.

[Caroline]

My thing about it. Oh, what did you put in your diary?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, he said, you need to get rid of this. I don't want your mom finding out. And let's just pretend this never happened. I found out, like, dark stuff on Tumblr, and I was like, oh, I'm so depressed. And also. And I talked about, like, babysitting my sisters and, like, trying vodka while in the closet. Like, that.

[Caroline]

I feel like, diaries. I understand parents reading them, especially, like, if you think your kid's in trouble. But, like, it just totally sucks that, like, I. I wish that we all had diaries from our younger ages. I know.

[Grace O'Malley]

I really want to look back, but.

[Caroline]

Like, it's also, like, I would die if, like. Like. Like, my parents read that.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I also had another one. Like, I kept. I kept starting new ones. I'm like, okay, well, no one's.

[Caroline]

I think that must be adhd.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was like, literally, I'm like, I have to get these thoughts out. And I left it in my desk when I went on vacation, and friends took it out of my desk and read all about themselves.

[Caroline]

Now, first of all, you have horrible friends. It sounds like, you know, we've.

[Grace O'Malley]

We've been through Some ups and downs. Hills and valleys.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Okay. I don't know them, so I. I can't judge.

[Grace O'Malley]

But. But, like, I don't know. Curiosity killed cat.

[Caroline]

Curiosity killed the cats. And we're indoor cats, I want to say, but, no, that's really crazy. I feel like I'm more of an Instagram cat. You're such an Instagram cat. You're, like, one of those cats that, like, they teach, like, to, like, do pranks and, like, I'm an AI cat. Yeah, you're an AI cat. You're an AI Cat. Like, the ones where, like, they, like, they. Yeah. And then they, like, are, like, working construction. Like, oh, my God, they're driving home. Those videos make me cry.

[Grace O'Malley]

A year of getting that sound out of my head, and now it's back.

[Caroline]

Oops.

[Grace O'Malley]

That was all last summer.

[Caroline]

And it was also, like, such a heartbreaking song for, like, people to make into a cat meme. Like, it's crazy. Okay. I find. Okay. I wish we all had our diaries. I totally agree. I never played Spin the Bottle either. I never played Seven Minutes in Heaven, which.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God, I still want to play that.

[Caroline]

Well, I have a joke. I want to play Seven. I want to play Seven Minutes in Heaven because I'm, like, like, dying to see my grandma again. That's, like, a joke.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's good. That's really good.

[Caroline]

Like, I've never played Seven Minutes in Heaven. I've never played Spin the Bottle. And, like, I now, like, am obviously, like, I love my boyfriend. I, like, never want to be with anyone else but my boyfriend, but I'm still kind of like, okay, adult sleepover. Like, I'm ready to, like, I want some drama. I want some tea. I want to play Truth and Dare with the opposite sex.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm right there with you.

[Caroline]

Let's do it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you ever seen Madonna's Truth or Dare? No. It's so scandalous. And it's like, she's doing it on tour, and she's, like, being so crazy, and.

[Caroline]

How old is she?

[Grace O'Malley]

She's, like, our age.

[Caroline]

No, literally, I literally.

[Grace O'Malley]

I will throw a party. It won't be. It's. It won't be a sex party.

[Caroline]

No, it's not a sex party.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's just, like, we're gonna play, like.

[Caroline]

It'S a sexy party.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, like, high school games.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

A little naughty.

[Caroline]

No, let's be a little naughty.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. Do you want to hear a secret?

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

In front of my sister. God damn it.

[Caroline]

Well, also the Internet.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was, like, trying so Hard. Like, when I was younger, I was so fucking horny, I was trying to find anything I could to, like, read or, like, without, like, getting caught. So I would go on the App Store, and I would type in Dirty Truth or Dare and read the examples.

[Caroline]

Do you remember one?

[Grace O'Malley]

You did that, too? No.

[Caroline]

That's so funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's really crazy.

[Caroline]

That's really funny. Wait, what was one of the ones you. What was one of the ones?

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know. It was like, take dare, take an ice cube out of the other player's mouth. And I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds hot.

[Caroline]

That's what I'm saying. That's, like, what we. We have to play.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, I want to play dirty Truth and Dares.

[Caroline]

No, I. And, like, I still think I'm getting.

[Grace O'Malley]

Picked up from prom one day. Like, you're gonna be picked.

[Caroline]

That's another idea I have. Grace, I want to have adult prom.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. And prom ends with the sleepover. When do you turn 30?

[Caroline]

Next year.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, let's start planning.

[Caroline]

In five years. I'm turning 30 in five years.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah. Keep it ambiguous.

[Caroline]

I also, like, in this.

[Grace O'Malley]

In this industry.

[Caroline]

No, I also, like, well, Hannah Burner is, like, my girl, and, like, I love her so much, and she always tells me that, like, 30s, when her life got good.

[Grace O'Malley]

And, like, that's what she says.

[Caroline]

Because I also hear people in, like, you know, who are, like, Nora's age who are like, oh, I'm so old. And I'm like, actually, I wasn't happy until 26. After 26, every year of my life got better.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And that's some tea. Should we have a prom?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes. And can it be your birthday party?

[Caroline]

Because I want to be prom queen. Because you're. Promise. Because I was homeschooled. Oh, my God. But here's the deal is I did get a homeschool promise, okay. At Homeschool Prom. I did go to Homeschool Prom, and I didn't know anyone there. And there was a swing dance competition at Homeschool Prom.

[Grace O'Malley]

And swing. And swing dancing is different than swingers, which is good.

[Caroline]

Which is good, because these are family members, and everyone's parents had to volunteer. So everyone's parents were there, close, and they couldn't play any music with dirty lyrics, so they just played the instrumental to G6.

[Grace O'Malley]

That is literally just. Zara.

[Caroline]

Zara. No, I think we should have a prom.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think that's a great idea.

[Caroline]

I think that's really awesome.

[Grace O'Malley]

And you guys want to come? It could be A ticketed event.

[Caroline]

If you guys pour blood on me like, I'm Carrie, I swear to God, I'm gonna catch.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. I would be the Carrie. Are you kidding me? That's my arc.

[Caroline]

It would be kind of cool, though.

[Grace O'Malley]

That would be so much fun. Okay, let's get to planning.

[Caroline]

Okay, we'll get to planning. We have so much time.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then, Speaking of, Hannah's 30s is the best. This is a direct quote from their podcast Today. Living in your 30s is literally like dancing, not giving a fuck if people can see you and actually enjoying dancing. To which Paige responded. I don't identify with this metaphor.

[Caroline]

That's really funny. Paige is so funny. I feel like. Yeah. And that's, like, my thing is. Is, like, it's really scary to not be where, like. Okay, so my parents. Our TV was locked growing up. I don't know if you guys had that. So you could only watch. If my mom didn't turn off the box, you could only watch the show that she was watching, which was always Fox News, but sometimes it was tlc. And when she would go to the groceries. I know. And because I was homeschooled, when my mom would go to the grocery store and I was supposed to be doing math, I would, of course, watch tlc. And it was always, like, that show where it's like, they follow a first pregnancy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh.

[Caroline]

And they were always 21, like, every single time.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, wow.

[Caroline]

And so, like, you know, I always thought I'd be different. Like, I thought I'd be, like, super rich and famous and, like, probably having my first kid by now. And, you know, I'm not.

[Grace O'Malley]

And that's quite all right. We live in a utopia. We don't have to.

[Caroline]

I know. And I also, like, just, like, want to, like, change my brain in the thought thoughts of. Because everything's already in thinking that, like, this is old, because, like, it is older than other ages. But, like, I don't feel, like, old.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, no, we live it. No, like, it's, like, a really dumb response. But because of COVID we have lost some time, and now everything's reshifted to your 30s or your 20s.

[Caroline]

Yeah, like, we did. We lost so much time. Like, I. I. Yeah. Like, I think I turned 24. And Covid. Like, I don't know. It just feels, like, weird. Anyways, and we're.

[Grace O'Malley]

And, like, we don't. You always say you're so much older than me. No, you're not. We're the same age. We're literally the same age.

[Caroline]

But I do feel like. Yeah, I do feel. I don't know, Like, I. I just, like, don't want to, like, I don't want to get into, like, perpetuate, like, the thing where it's like, oh, my God, like, I. I'm so old. And also, I also feel proud of all the things I have done. Like, maybe I'm not. And you should, like, maybe I'm not like, the queen Alex Cooper. It's literally. But, like, we're different.

[Grace O'Malley]

Success is. Is. Is measured by other people's success, and it's not a good thing. You're very successful in your own right, and you should be very happy with everything you've done because you worked very hard to get where you are.

[Caroline]

Thank you. That's so nice.

[Grace O'Malley]

And we had this conversation five years ago.

[Caroline]

We did.

[Grace O'Malley]

I actually remember it to this day at Beauty Bar. At Beauty Bar, where we were planning our own podcast.

[Caroline]

We were gonna do Sit and Sip.

[Grace O'Malley]

Sit and Sip.

[Caroline]

People don't know. Me and Grace wanted to have a podcast called Sit and Sip.

[Grace O'Malley]

And we were gonna sip. And I never bothered to ask Caroline if she likes drinking.

[Caroline]

And at that point, I did.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And I still do. I like having a beer.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

I just, like, don't like shots because I just get. I get a headache. But I. We were going to sit on those Sit in spins, and we would have drinks on the top. We were going to record in the park, and we would talk to, like, random people. Maybe this. Maybe one day we'll do a reunion reboot of a show that was never made. And. But that was. We did. We pitched that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And you know what? They said? No.

[Grace O'Malley]

They said, no, absolutely not. We said, okay, we'll do it ourselves then. And then.

[Caroline]

We never did it.

[Grace O'Malley]

And we never did.

[Caroline]

But, like, how were we supposed to. We had no resources.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Like, I didn't know.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, we were also just trying to pay rent. We weren't able to, like, do, like, little extra.

[Caroline]

I think we made, like, $8 an hour.

[Grace O'Malley]

I do remember when we were coming home from Nashville, we were in an Uber together, and you pointed at a billboard and you're like, I'm gonna be so famous.

[Caroline]

Like that Did I really.

[Grace O'Malley]

You really did. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Caroline]

You're like, low key cringe.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know. No, no, no.

[Caroline]

But, like, what was the billboard?

[Grace O'Malley]

Because I've never heard anyone. I've never really, like, had heard anyone, like, have so much drive and, like, just know exactly what they want. And I was like, oh, my God. She's the coolest person I've ever.

[Caroline]

But can I say something? Like, I still feel that way. Like, I, I. And I. It's not even about, like, obviously it's like, matured and I feel a different way. Like now I don't necessarily want to be, like, famous for famous sake. Like, I want fame. Fame because I want to be able to make the things I want to make.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And for. For creative freedom at home. That' you could be famous for being a fake version of yourself on like a show or whatever.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Or you could do exactly what you want. And that's like two different things. And one, the latter is.

[Caroline]

And I want creative fulfillment. Like, being like, the most famous actor in the world, like, would be like, really fucking cool. But, like, I also, like, want to write and make things. So it's like, that even wouldn't fulfill me. Like, I want creative fulfillment over being famous. And I think that's like, on growth. But I also, like, still feel that way. Like, I still feel like all my dreams will come true. Absolutely scary. Because, like, as a woman, you're like, well, when I turn 30, like, obviously I turn into a pumpkin gremlin.

[Grace O'Malley]

Not so much.

[Caroline]

Like, it's 32 old to play sexy Truth and dare.

[Grace O'Malley]

I hope not. I am. I am already. I've got like. I'm like, already thinking of the party full and actually, you know what? It's not a party full. It's an actual invitation. And I'm hand delivering them.

[Caroline]

Oh, my God.

[Grace O'Malley]

On a horse carriage.

[Caroline]

No, it's a. And there'll be a trumpet. And it's a scroll. It's a scroll.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is for all the naysayers who.

[Caroline]

Never got a chance to kiss and tell.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God.

[Caroline]

That would be so. And there'll be a speech when I win prom queen.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God.

[Caroline]

And it has to be rigged. And there also has to be a. A prom court. Like, there also has to be other nominees.

[Grace O'Malley]

I got homecoming court one year.

[Caroline]

Shut the up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Cuz I lost a bunch of weight and everyone was like, wait, you look so good.

[Caroline]

No, it's because you. Everyone loves you. And also because you're hot and because you have curly hair.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was blown out for the first time and everyone was like, oh, my God. I was tan, skinny, and beautiful. And it was probably one of the best achievements of my life.

[Caroline]

Also, I'm going to be honest, you probably had huge boobs, too. Top boobs. Grace o'. Malley. Nora o'. Malley. Mom o'. Malley. Top three boobs.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay. My mom, when I was younger. This podcast is never going to end. My mom, when I was younger, I was like, why are your boobs perfect and mine are a little different than that? And she said, oh. Cause I got a boob job.

[Caroline]

Your mom has a boob job?

[Grace O'Malley]

I was like, no, she doesn't.

[Caroline]

She lied to you.

[Grace O'Malley]

When the fuck were you gonna tell.

[Caroline]

Me that she had a boob job?

[Grace O'Malley]

She got. She got a lift and a reduction. You have to tell your daughters when. When you. When they're just. When they're sucking the teeth. Like, hey, just so you know, I got a boob job and a reduction so that you never compare and think, why are you so different? Wow. Mm. Yeah, that's. Mm. Mama.

[Caroline]

That is interesting. Made me confused. Body dysmorphism, body dysmorph. But Body Smurf is real, and it's real. And, like, also, like, you can have body dysmorph about anything. Like, some of, like, the girls with, like, the craziest AI looking bodies have body dysmorphia. And I'm like, well, that is proof it's mental illness.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's. It's a sad. It's. It's a sad slippery slope. I think we've been going on for about two and a half hours now. I could do this all day long. We could have a live stream. I literally tried to do with the other.

[Caroline]

I really adore you. I cannot say enough, like, how much of your good person.

[Grace O'Malley]

I love you so much. It seems fraudulent because all we do is compliment each other, but that's really how our hang with us goes.

[Caroline]

Yeah, you're great.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is. Yeah, this is. This is me and Caroline to a T. And to end things, we're gonna do my favorite segment, okay. Disgraceful Receipts. Now, this is where I pull up that one thing you're so scared of, which is your digital footprint, and I'm gonna have you explain some things, which.

[Caroline]

Is it gonna be me dressed up as. I always do this.

[Grace O'Malley]

I literally always do this segment, but I forgot how much you hate your digital footprint.

[Caroline]

I'm terrified of my digital footprint because, like, I still want to be in a Hunger Games maybe.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, are you ready for Disgraceful Receipts?

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

All right, up first we have this one.

[Caroline]

So I thought it would be cool to walk in New York Fashion Week one time, and my skin is actually killing it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, you've got it going on.

[Caroline]

So anyways, I thought it'd be cool. The pics do kind of look fire. First of all it wasn't paid. I was there all day and they made fun. They made fun of me.

[Grace O'Malley]

They made fun of you?

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

What do you mean?

[Caroline]

The girl who was doing the fashion show like, was like singled me out and she was like, you're so awkward when you walk like you look freaking crazy. And she was like, it's like embarrassing, like real and like right before I went on. So all in all, like, good story. I think, like life is about stories. I'm happy I did it. The makeup artist, obviously I look like I'm in Star Wars.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is literally Katy Perry.

[Caroline]

It kind of is giving tribal makeup, which just feels wrong. But it was like, I'm like happy. I have the tail to tell.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then at the beginning of the show, I totally forgot to mention you are a model.

[Caroline]

No, I wouldn't say that.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, I would.

[Caroline]

But I would say sometimes like some brands need six foot people and I'm like, I could use a paycheck.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay. My computer died. But that doesn't matter for you guys, cuz you guys get to see the picture right on your screen. You're going to have to squint.

[Caroline]

Okay, so that is me right before my grandma's funeral. Oh, but you. I'm smiling. Smile though your heart is breaking. Smile. What's the use in crying? I'm in Wisconsin. One of the last times I was at my grandma's house. Sad, sad, sad. So what I decided to wear to my grandma's funeral was a black dress paired with black tights. We were in Wisconsin. It was sad. But then I paired it very subtly with a bright red coat. It was Pretty Liars was on air. Red coat was big.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caroline]

And a very chunky scarf. I had the long hair like Miley Cyrus because at the time that was really popular. But my hair was so thin, so it was actually two pieces of hair. Like literally it was just this. But yeah, I think I'm in high school there.

[Grace O'Malley]

You might be going to the saddest event of all time, but you do look like you're gonna go apple picking.

[Caroline]

After Million Dollar Smile. Yeah, and that's the thing, you never. Instagram's just the highlights. You would never know that. My grandma. I was going to my grandma's funeral there.

[Grace O'Malley]

Now. Now this one, I posted that on Twitter. People call it X now, but yeah, I think that's.

[Caroline]

Is that Santa Claus? Like, yeah, I think this says that I'm like progressive like that, like Santa Claus. First of all, Jesus was not white and neither was Santa Claus. I just want to say that, like, Santa Claus is black. And he also obviously has a little bit of a digestive issue where he's taking Miralax. And for that, like, that's so real, man. Up next, those are my senior photos, my homeschools.

[Grace O'Malley]

These are gorgeous.

[Caroline]

Well, this is a part. This is a. This looks now part of my show. No, this was. These were my senior photos, which they do really, really slay, I'll be honest. But it is funny because I was homeschooled. So, like, these senior photos, what were the used for?

[Grace O'Malley]

The mantle.

[Caroline]

The mantle.

[Grace O'Malley]

Did you guys make a scrapbook?

[Caroline]

These are not. I thought they were going to be way worse. I'll be honest.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Nor. Nora usually does a great job here.

[Caroline]

I am underage. I am underage in that pic. So these are one of my first head shots for. I was in college, and these were one of my first head shots, like a fellow student. Her name's Ali Wonderley. She's really good at photography. She took that photo.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is gorgeous.

[Caroline]

No, it's like, the lighting.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is great.

[Caroline]

I'm giving vampire, like, full lip. I'm giving vampire now.

[Grace O'Malley]

Now this one, the caption says, coco isn't afraid of anything except water, sirens, and most humans. Happy National Dog Day. And go Eagles. I didn't know you were an Eagles fan.

[Caroline]

My dad's from Philly. You understand why that picture is?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it's. It's a Michael Vick sweatshirt. Michael Vick jersey on a dog.

[Caroline]

So the year is. I mean, Coco. Rip.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, Sorry for your loss, but that's.

[Caroline]

How long ago this photo was taken. Coco is an adopted rescue dog. Part pit, part boxer. Adopt pits. And she was a beautiful dog. I would love to say she wasn't aggressive, but that would be a lie.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, you know, she got in the.

[Caroline]

Ring, but she's a wonderful dog also. Go Eagles. Like, here's the deal is Coco can forgive, and we should forgive me, too.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's actually really beautiful. You should be a politician.

[Caroline]

Okay. Yeah. So this is where I thought this was gonna go.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

So in college, I worked for a. Is this gonna go where I think it's going? Okay, great. So. Okay, well, I'll just tell you. In college, I worked for a. I was in Oklahoma, and I worked for a company that had you dress up as Disney princesses and go to children's birthday parties and sing the songs. And now I have a little bit of a deeper voice. And I was Little Mermaid before, And one time, an old man touched the wig and Said, is this real hair? Which actually is insane. But I. I also played Ray from Star wars, but I also was Pocahontas and Jasmine.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, okay. Yeah. So. And. And. And that was just the costume you were provided.

[Caroline]

It was my job.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it was your job.

[Caroline]

It was a different time.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was a different time. I really, like. I really like this, like. Like, sunglass flair with the soft smile.

[Caroline]

Totally. Well, you can tell in college, I was all about, like, the kat Von D Mac lipstick every post.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm lipped up 1000%. This is what an interesting redhead you make.

[Caroline]

Totally. Do you feel like I'm, like, taking your culture?

[Grace O'Malley]

No. I think everyone could rock it at one point.

[Caroline]

Do you get, like, kind of pissed off, like, when girls dye their hair red or put fake freckles on because you're like, this was the thing that you guys were made fun of me for.

[Grace O'Malley]

The freckle thing drives me nuts.

[Caroline]

I kind of think it's wrong.

[Grace O'Malley]

The freckle thing.

[Caroline]

It's blackface.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's out of control.

[Caroline]

It's ginger face.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, it's literally. These are. Are. These are my little hints of melanin. Okay. See how my lip quivers? Yeah.

[Caroline]

Speak on it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everybody said, cover up those freckles, girl. And I did another, drawing them on.

[Caroline]

It's actually crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Shame.

[Caroline]

It's actually crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Shame on all of you.

[Caroline]

Literally. Agreed.

[Grace O'Malley]

What's this?

[Caroline]

So one summer, I worked at an amusement park, Cedar Point. It's, like, actually the biggest in Ohio. The best amusement park in the world. And here's the thing. I was in the biggest show. I played keys and I sang, and.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think, such a fun summer gig.

[Caroline]

I sang Cold as ice foam soap came down from the ceiling. I would choke on it. I also think confident by Demi Lovato, who I recently met Demi Lovato. I'm obsessed with her.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, did you. Did you meet her when she was at the office?

[Caroline]

Yeah, I did. It was kind of sick.

[Grace O'Malley]

She looks fantastic.

[Caroline]

Unbelievable. She's so tiny. Yeah. Like, I was literally like, are you guys gonna make sure she doesn't, like, fall through, like, that break in the elevator when she gets into that? She's so small.

[Grace O'Malley]

I feel like I could pick her up and, like, rol around like a pizza.

[Caroline]

She's under 100. 100. She's definitely under 100.

[Grace O'Malley]

Under a buck 50.

[Caroline]

Yeah. No, she's worth millions of dollars. She's definitely under. She's so tiny. She was so sweet. I've always been a levotic, but also this summer, the boy I was dating. Broke up with me.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, in this summer, Girl, I was gonna say that's news to me.

[Caroline]

He broke up with me over the phone while playing video games.

[Grace O'Malley]

Couldn't be bothered.

[Caroline]

And then I was crying so bad. He was like, like, can you call me back when you're done crying?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh.

[Caroline]

So I was actually a mess this whole summer, but I did have fun. And it was once again, these are, like, memories. Like, I was like, I look back at that summer fondly because I. I lived at an amusement park that also had a water park, and it was on a lake. It was like a fake beach. But, like, I was a mess the whole summer. But it's kind of fun to look back at being a mess. And they had a bar across the street that you could walk to.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, that's so fun.

[Caroline]

And I, like, made, like, a lot of friends.

[Grace O'Malley]

We've talked about this before. I think that's, like, the craziest, funnest job you probably, like, you could ever have.

[Caroline]

I honestly wish that I had gone out more that summer. That's what I'm saying. Like, sometimes I look back and I'm like, I wish I got out more, but, like, I'm just, like, not, unfortunately. It's just, like, not, like, what my body wants, because.

[Grace O'Malley]

Go out more.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I, I, I think, like, especially, like, that was me when I was trying to be an influencer in college. This is just classic VSCO cam.

[Grace O'Malley]

The brown filter, flirty, with my latte, coffee emoji, butterfly emoji, butterflies, Katy Perry.

[Caroline]

It all comes back.

[Grace O'Malley]

It all circles back.

[Caroline]

Do you guys, like, remember? And I think, like, for kids now, like, you're. Everyone's trying to be an influencer, but, like, there was a time where it was like, like, become an influencer. Like, that's the goal.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. I literally had aesthetics on my Instagram VSCO cam. At one point, I was posting color picture, black and white picture, color picture, black and white picture.

[Caroline]

That's actually a very cool aesthetic. No, everything looked like I was a, A dog that was colorblind. Like, the brown was. The exposure was so low. The saturation was so low.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, it was just like. See? Yeah. You would dim down your pictures to make, make it seem like you're having a better life.

[Caroline]

And, like, yeah, the more vintage the picture, though, it, it looked like someone, like, pissed on the photograph.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it was the Lena D Special.

[Caroline]

It was Lena Dun special Hui cam. I don't even remember. What does the paper say? People behind me are in a costume Oh, I remember what this is. Okay. I remember what this is. Someone did, like, a wicked themed, like, funny performance at, like, a cabaret thing that we had as a student, and they had me be. They did, like, loathing. And we all had signs that were like. Like, save Glinda.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, oh, okay, gotcha.

[Caroline]

So that's what it was. And also, you can see the Kat Von D liquid lip lipstick is in full effect.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, absolutely.

[Caroline]

Crusty as hell.

[Grace O'Malley]

1000 after, I would eat lunch in the calf. It was like, like tumbler.

[Caroline]

Like, you know that lip liner that everyone wears before they put on and they rip it off? That's what we used to wear on.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, Just that. Just as is.

[Caroline]

No gloss. Yeah. Once again, that's me trying to be an influencer. That's actually a terrifying photo.

[Grace O'Malley]

This was your profile picture.

[Caroline]

I feel like I'm getting funky here. Like, I'm kind of finding my personality.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, she's getting her groove. I. This was totally a profile picture on Twitter. I feel like.

[Caroline]

No. Yeah, that does seem right. That's when I got hired at the company I work at, and that's when I got here. And when you get hired there, there's, like, something really cringy you do where, like, you and I actually see every single person who get hired there fall into this trap. Like, you're being funny, but you're also, like, you know that all of your viewers are male, and so you're, like, trying to be funny but hot. And I do think this is funny. And I actually printed it off and put it on a T shirt. And I still kind of stand by that. It's funny. But also, like, imagine your. Imagine your co worker has worked at the office for maybe two weeks max, and they take that photo while you're trying to write a blog. Like, imagine you couldn't possibly like that person. You could only hate that person. And the other thing about it, and there's still people at the office who don't wear bras. But the other thing about working at that company is, like, I literally, like, thought it was super chill and, like, I didn't wear, like, bras. And, like, that's crazy. Like, you can't have your nips popping out at work. And I know that at the company I work at, like, you would think you could have your nips popping out, but, like, I actually don't think you should. I actually, like, think that's crazy. And then the other thing about this company that is so, so crazy is that before the first office party, like, I Just did not have the right vibe of this company. Before the first office party, I FaceTimed my friend Grace and I said, is this outfit okay? And she said, no, because I was wearing a corset that was, like, full on Lauren Sanchez at the UN Inauguration, I was actually in my underwear. Do you remember that? I had a. For loving lemons, I can send you the top. And if for love and lemons, flower bra on. And I called you and I was like, should I wear this to the office thing? And you were like, no, I don't think so. Which is funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm like, I think the bosses are still going to be there.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Yeah. So at the end of the day, it is still an office, but I don't know why. Like, I think, like, it's because some people do.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

But, like, it's. I don't know.

[Grace O'Malley]

Know.

[Caroline]

It's different when they do. It's different when they do. I don't know why.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think I took the opposite approach of, like, instead of going topless, I.

[Caroline]

Wish I did that.

[Grace O'Malley]

I just wore all the merch to the point where I didn't have any real clothes of my own. I only wore merch. If you look back on my Instagram. Merch, merch, merch, merch. No real clothes.

[Caroline]

And I don't know if I'll get in trouble for saying this. There is some good merch, but, like, we're not given it.

[Grace O'Malley]

No.

[Caroline]

So it's like, not even, like, you're wearing good merch.

[Grace O'Malley]

It would be like. Like, random things where they're like, we're probably gonna throw this away. I'm like, I'll take it.

[Caroline]

Yeah. It's like. It's like hot Dog Fest 2015.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's like. It's like something, like, printed wrong. It says something like. It's like, misspelled. I was like, yeah, I'll wear that.

[Caroline]

And it's like some kind of meme. Like, it's like a. You're wearing dicks out for Harambe.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, okay, I still have that. Like.

[Caroline]

No, I know. I know. It's like, I just. You have to look back and cringe. But, like, that's the digital footprint. And I honestly would rather that digital footprint out than, like, something. Something else. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

100.

[Caroline]

Well, I did famously delete my Twitter in, like. Actually, it wasn't famously because no one was following it. It was only people from college. But I decided to search. You can search your own Twitter, and I just decided to search my name, and I got a Twitter when I was 13.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Before my period.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Nobody should do that.

[Caroline]

So I searched my username.

[Grace O'Malley]

See, like, you switched out your diary for Twitter, and that's not good.

[Caroline]

Why did I delete it then? Because I wish I could go back and read it. I should have done, like, private.

[Grace O'Malley]

You're better off for it.

[Caroline]

Search my name.

[Grace O'Malley]

Obama.

[Caroline]

Wow.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Wow. And that. And that's.

[Caroline]

I couldn't believe it.

[Grace O'Malley]

And you know what? All. You know, all that is. That's just you playing telephone from your parents. You can't blame that kid.

[Caroline]

And it wasn't like I was saying anything recent. I wasn't like, where's your birth certificate? I wasn't saying that. It was more of, like, my dad.

[Grace O'Malley]

Made me sit down and watch a fucking documentary of how Obama's not from America.

[Caroline]

I watched the same one. I watched the same one. And that guy, you know, that he made one about Hillary, too. My mom took me to the movie theater to watch it. She was like, let's go to the movies. I'm like, okay, okay. Hell, yeah. We're gonna go watch the B movie. How to train my dragon. How to train the. Drag your dragon. And then I get there, and it's like this guy, like, following Hillary Clinton around in a car and, like. Anyways. But I watched the same thing, and it was.

[Grace O'Malley]

I can't believe we've watched the same thing.

[Caroline]

It was more of, like, the. It was more of, like, the countries in the. Or hashtag nobama. It was more like that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, it's too bad.

[Caroline]

It's too. There was also, like, it's all about, like, the way you view things, too, because there was a debate when we were in high school. I don't know if you remember this. Bill Nye the science guy debated Ken Ham, who's a creationist, like, fully believes in creationism. And I only watched Ken Ham videos in science class growing up, like, you know, proving Noah's Ark. Proving.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, okay.

[Caroline]

Man were the first people.

[Grace O'Malley]

So first I'm hearing of ham.

[Caroline]

Man and dinosaur were alive at the same time. And I watched it, and I actually posted on my Instagram saying, like. Like, Ken Ham went ham on Bill Nye. He demolished him. And only, like, a year ago, I was like, I should look up what the public consensus was on that debate. And, like, the public consensus was Bill knighted.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. A thousand times over. Science every time.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

So. Oh, yeah. Hey, you know what? What doesn't break you as a kid breaks you when you're an adult.

[Caroline]

Yeah. And whatever you post that doesn't get you canceled as a child, gets you canceled as an adult when money's on the line.

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[Grace O'Malley]

And I think to wrap this up, because it has been the full length of Wolf of Wall street that we've talked, but I think to wrap this up, let's just steal a segment idea, okay? 60 second rant on something you find to be disgraceful.

[Caroline]

Oh my God. I wasn't told beforehand. Like, seriously. So I had to think one second.

[Grace O'Malley]

And on the count, count of 60 seconds, go.

[Caroline]

I think that the echo chamber for you pages actually need to go away because here's the deal. I fully thought that Kamala Harris was going to win the presidency and I was absolutely blindsided. I thought that creationism. Absolutely blindsided. And so I think we need to get rid of like echo chambers because I don't know what's going on in the world. I only know like my. And that's it. And it's actually so confusing and I kind of just like want to know what else is going on in the world. Like, people will be like, oh, did you know we bombed whatever? And I was like, no, I was in my echo chamber. I was looking at, you know, like vintage Ed Hardy bikinis. So I think that we need to fully end the echo chambers because all I'm getting is like fed like Grace hype up edits and like edits of like gay men and TV shows that I think are hot and like, that's all I'm getting fed is Benny drama thing. So we need to stop it. I wonder what's going on in the world. Stop with the echo chambers.

[Grace O'Malley]

13 seconds.

[Caroline]

Oh, and I also want to say that, like, coffees are getting too expensive. Like, I do not think that they can be over $10. That's actually crazy. And if your coffee shop has coffees over $10, I do think you should supplement it with something else, like maybe some merch or, like, live performances.

[Grace O'Malley]

All right, perfect. Thank you so much, Caroline, because I.

[Caroline]

Want to tip, and I can't tip on a 15 coffee. Fiscally.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know it. It is. Is a doggy dog.

[Caroline]

And also, do not put the. Do not put the casinos in Coney Island. Put them somewhere else, please. I've never been to a casino.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, well, you might f. I want.

[Caroline]

To be in that unwell Vegas thing. Are you in that?

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll just. Just call Alex up.

[Caroline]

Can you call Alex?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I'll call it.

[Caroline]

I'm looking at it. I'm like, I could. I could do a set.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know. I know.

[Caroline]

Are you in it?

[Grace O'Malley]

I have shows that weekend. Oh, yeah.

[Caroline]

My own Alex. Babe, I think that we would have a lot in common. You're like, I'm too expensive. She can't afford it.

[Grace O'Malley]

It looks like a really fun lineup, and you guys are gonna have a blast there.

[Caroline]

I'm not.

[Grace O'Malley]

I just. I know. I literally make one call girl.

[Caroline]

I've never watched. I have my ex, Cooper. She was on when she came to the office.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah. To do the documentary.

[Caroline]

Yeah, she was lovely.

[Grace O'Malley]

But anyways, this has been. Caroline is my. My good. Not just good. My best friend.

[Caroline]

Best friend.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everybody, please go check. This is the time where you can give any shout out you want to anyone you want or anything you want, and then close with where to find you.

[Caroline]

I would like to shout out my friend Stuart Fullerton, who's very, very funny. I would like to shout out my boyfriend, Chris Barnes, who is very, very funny. Go follow them on both shows. I like to also shout out myself. I'm doing two shows in November, and I. I, you know, also follow me, and I also, like, really love the brand. Rowing blazers. I don't know if they're considered a small business, but, like, I. I don't think they. I feel like they're, like, really famous and big, but I really like them. I also, like, get a brand deal, girl. Yeah, no. Well, they did send me free clothes, but it's because I adore them. I also. Oh. I went fishing on a boat in Montauk called Lazy Bones. Shout out lazy bones. You. Everyone should go on it. The people were really, really nice. I caught three fish and I touched the bait, but it was, like, starting. Like, I literally. You had to put it through the eyeballs. And I did that. I wasn't afraid.

[Grace O'Malley]

Wow.

[Caroline]

They made me feel safe.

[Grace O'Malley]

Knuckles.

[Caroline]

Thank you. And so any lazy bones in Montauk? That was really cool.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, thank you so much, Caroline. This has been a pleasure, a blast and a sneak peek into what it's like hanging out with us. See you next week.

[Caroline]

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[Caroline]

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