Caroline Baniewicz: Gossip is Good!

Summary

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Disgraceful with Grace O'Malley

Episode: Caroline Baniewicz: Gossip is Good!

Air Date: August 28, 2025
Host: Grace O’Malley
Guest: Caroline Baniewicz

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Episode Overview

This episode of Disgraceful finds comedian Grace O’Malley joined by multi-hyphenate comedic talent Caroline Baniewicz for a freewheeling, high-speed conversation packed with nostalgia, confessions, concert reviews, creative ambitions, and a defense of the ethical power of gossip. The two reflect on their careers and friendships, the dangers and merits of online authenticity, and the strange, exhilarating world of modern entertainment, all peppered with introspective and hilarious observations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Comedy, Comparison, and Early Fame (01:33 – 06:40)

• On Feeling Behind
  Both discuss the surreal pressure of comparing your own journey to notorious or famous young people like Amanda Knox or Olivia Rodrigo.

  • "Sometimes I stay up at night and I'm like, damn, it's so hard. Tate McRae, pop star at 19. Amanda Knox, already accused of killing people. And super famous at 19."
    — Caroline Baniewicz (01:33)

• The Balloon Boy Bit
  They riff about infamous child celebrities and the Balloon Boy hoax, poking fun at the need for early notoriety.

  • "That little balloon boy, he is no improv business."
    — Grace O'Malley (02:36)

• The Problem with Job Titles
  They dissect the meaninglessness of self-applied labels like “entrepreneur” and “content creator,” with Caroline noting the pressure to explain ambiguous careers.

  • "It's not a job ... it's just a state of being."
    — Grace (06:05)

  • "Sometimes people are like, what do you do? Like, content creators. 'I'm a content creator.' And I also do Sienna."'
    — Caroline (06:29)

Friendship, Mutual Lore, and First NYC Hustles (07:02 – 12:02)

• On Friendship Validation
  The two playfully process childhood trauma around being chosen as a “best friend.”

  • "I kinda like get chills when someone says that I'm their best friend."
    — Caroline (06:59)

• Shared History
  Their shared professional roots are recounted: both worked at Total Frat Move, wrote blogs on the side, and lived hand-to-mouth in NYC during COVID.

  • "It was good, I think, when I moved to New York. ... By the skin of my teeth."
    — Grace (10:24)

• Living in NYC
  Caroline reflects on financially prepping for her move and later wishing she’d allowed more fun over penny-pinching.

  • "Looking back ... I could have had more fun."
    — Caroline (10:30)

The Internet, Captions, and Revisiting the Past (12:02 – 14:56)

• Instagram Fame & Caroline Calloway
  They reminisce about when Instagram captions could make you famous (see: Caroline Calloway), contrasting this with today’s landscape.

  • "Imagine a time on the Internet where you were so famous for your Instagram captions."
    — Caroline (12:45)

• The Temptation to “Go Back”
  The hypothetical conversation about what moment they’d revisit if they could time-travel, mostly landing on schemes for financial gain or proximity to power.

  • "Maybe I would seduce Jeff Bezos when he was poor."
    — Caroline (14:46)

Billionaire Banter & Age-Appropriate Praise (15:02 – 16:15)

• Bezos’s Relationships
  Caroline applauds Jeff Bezos for having an age-appropriate wife.
  • "He does have an age appropriate wife, and for that I commend him."
    — Caroline (15:11)

The Katy Perry Concert Breakdown (17:46 – 30:26)

• Caroline’s Epic Review of Katy Perry’s Concert
  Caroline delivers a detailed, hysterical recap, from the AI-themed dystopian staging to the frenetic pace through Perry’s discography, and the absurdity of the crowd and concert “levels.”

  • "If you're thinking about going to the Katy Perry concert... that's not even the beginning of it."
    — Caroline (18:49)

  • "She sings teenage dream on 5x speed. It was literally tick tock, sped up version."
    — Caroline (25:21)

  • Highlights include:

    • The audience’s suspiciously acquired “radio” tickets (20:35)
    • The concert’s bizarre AI/Butterfly video-game plot (21:00–23:00)
    • The audience’s demographics: “They were children. Yeah, the children are there.” (23:30)
    • The “Bushwick gays” stinking up the venue (25:04)
    • Katy’s physical feats: “At one point...she just pulls out a gun and shoots. Was awesome. It was the kicker.” (29:05)

The Digital Footprint & Authenticity Conundrum (30:39 – 39:05)

• Close Friends & Cancel Culture
  Caroline explains her new “close friends” Instagram filter and the pressure of digital self-censorship.

  • "Grace has told me, don't worry about your digital footprint."
    — Caroline (30:46)

• Navigating Humor & Wokeness
  Caroline worries about musical parodies and accidental bigotry, sharing the creative process behind her Hunger Games one-woman show, and the associated anxiety about crossing lines.

  • "I'm woke. I have a musical theater degree."
    — Caroline (32:52)

• On Being Homeschooled & Embracing Weirdness
  Caroline finds strength in recounting her unique background, despite its outsiderness, embracing the creative gold in one’s oddities.

  • "Things that happen to you when you're young really stick with you."
    — Caroline (36:05)

• Authenticity Online: Uncancelable Creators
  They reflect on the difficulty of being genuine online and the status of creators who can no longer be cancelled (Trisha Paytas, The Paul Brothers).

  • "We have some creators who, like, are so authentic, but they're almost, like, uncancellable.”
    — Caroline (37:45)

Friendship, Jealousy, Women in Comedy – and Why Gossip Matters (42:08 – 47:39)

• Cheering Each Other On
  Grace is praised for selflessly rooting for other people’s success, comparing this to comic icons like Nikki Glaser and Hannah Burner.

  • "The coolest thing you can do is, like, to support someone that you know, even if you, like, barely know them."
    — Grace (42:54)

• Jealousy & Female Friendship
  Caroline admits it’s hard not to compare herself to younger or more successful women, but ultimately believes there’s room for all at the top.

  • "I do think there's enough room for all of us at the top."
    — Caroline (45:11)

• The Ethics of Gossip
  They make a case for pro-gossip, especially as a tool for women to protect other women, with Caroline providing an etymology lesson.

  • "If you look up the word gossip, it's sacred words between a mother and a godmother to keep them safe."
    — Caroline (47:01)
  • "Misogyny has made women feel bad about gossiping when all gossiping is, is keeping each other safe."
    — Caroline (47:24)

Story Time: The Roommate from Hell (49:14 – 56:25)

• Roommate Horror Story Caroline recounts a notorious, near-cancelation incident: her former roommate lying about and then making a TikTok about a public masturbation incident on a shared couch, the lies, grudges, and blocked Instagrams that followed.

  • "There’s no world where you’re in the right for masturbating on a couch that you didn’t buy."
    — Caroline (54:03)

• Grace expresses her dismay and skepticism about the standards of cancel culture in these kinds of personal disputes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Comparison and Jealousy:
  "Amanda Knox was so famous by 21, and it's like, damn, like, she's so far ahead of me. She has a TV show."
  — Caroline (01:55)

• Entrepreneurship Cynicism:
  "If I can't understand what you do, I don't think you..."
  — Caroline (06:29)

• On Cancel Culture:
  "If you're someone who likes to cancel people ... be more selective with the people you cancel. Because we're canceling so many people that, like, now it's becoming too normal.”
  — Caroline (31:05)

• Gossip for Good:
  "If you look up the word gossip, it's sacred words between a mother and a godmother to keep them safe."
  — Caroline (47:01)

• On Authenticity:
  "People are so scared about not being ... being canceled, so they're, like, afraid to be authentic."
  — Caroline (37:45)

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Career Comparison & Early Fame: 01:33 – 06:40
• Job Titles & Entrepeneurial Anxiety: 04:11 – 06:40
• Friendship Lore/NYC Hustles: 07:02 – 12:02
• Caroline’s Katy Perry Review (Don’t Miss!): 17:47 – 30:26
• Close Friends, Cancel Culture & Digital Anxieties: 30:39 – 39:05
• Discussion on Authenticity Online: 37:45 – 39:14
• Jealousy vs. Celebrating Success/Women in Comedy: 42:08 – 47:39
• Pro-Gossip Manifesto: 47:01 – 49:14
• Roommate Drama Story: 49:14 – 56:25

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Episode Tone & Feel

Grace and Caroline’s rapport is unfiltered, affectionate, and self-deprecating. They navigate sharp comic bits, quick detours into pop culture, and genuine reflections on female friendship, ambition, social media, and the creative life. The humor is both pointed and forgiving. The conversation oscillates between almost therapy-session honesty and raucous, performative comedy, full of inside jokes and running bits.

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Final Takeaways

This episode is a testament to the power of honest friendship, ethical gossip, and not taking oneself too seriously in a world obsessed with comparison, jealousy, and online perfection. Through storytelling, concert reviews, and mutual pump-ups, Grace and Caroline model a kind of “un-cancelable” authenticity, cheering each other on and always looking for the humor in their (and others’) disgraceful moments.

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Transcript

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[Grace O'Malley]

Coming at you live from a shady Manhattan studio.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's disgraceful. Featuring your gracious ginger host.

[Grace O'Malley]

Hey, watch yourself. Only I can say that. Okay, boss. Whatever you say. You pay my bills. Give it up for Grace o'. Malley.

[Caroline Banowais]

Sometimes I stay up at night because I hate to say this, I'm not 30, but I'm close. Sometimes I stay up at night and I'm like, damn, it's so hard. Tate McRae, pop star at 19. Olivia Rodrigo, pop star at 19. All these Grammys. Amanda Knox, already accused of killing people. And super famous at 19. Like, it's like, I'm so far behind. 19. She was like, in college.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was going to say. I was going to say comparison is the thief of joy. But damn.

[Caroline Banowais]

Like, I mean, Amanda Knox was so famous by 21, and it's like, damn, like, she's so far ahead of me. She has a TV show. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know how you compete with murder.

[Caroline Banowais]

Like, Casey Anthony was worldwide famous, and here I am in my late 20s doing nothing.

[Grace O'Malley]

You could have a kid and then murder. Not murder, it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Just hide it for a little bit. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like balloon boy.

[Caroline Banowais]

Balloon boy was good. And also, he was so famous, so young.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And he was like, Literally fucking it up for his dad.

[Caroline Banowais]

Did you watch the documentary? Yeah. Acting chop's not there.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. He was literally like. Because you guys told me to hide.

[Caroline Banowais]

In the attic, I'd be like, bitch, it's yes. And that kid, that little.

[Grace O'Malley]

That little balloon boy, he is no improv business.

[Caroline Banowais]

He was not meant for show business. That kid lives in a goddamn bubble. Okay, that bit's better than my good grace. That was really good.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, I'm, like, really in on balloon boy. I don't know why.

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[Grace O'Malley]

It starts with a swipe.

[Advertiser]

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[Caroline Banowais]

I watched the documentary, too. I did text during it, so there might be some missing spots. But the UFO part, like, I. I feel like if he was in there, the weight would have fallen.

[Grace O'Malley]

Exactly. And I have a couple favorite parts. They were described as inventors. Have you ever met anyone?

[Caroline Banowais]

I like the way you hit that T. Inventors.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, we weren't talking about Broadway.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, we were.

[Grace O'Malley]

Wait, no, imagine, like, imagine meeting someone and being like, oh, yeah, my neighbor. He's an inventor. Who's an inventor? You don't meet inventors.

[Caroline Banowais]

You only children in, like, TV and, like, cartoons are inventors. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like Dexter's Laboratory.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. Or like, Jimmy Neutron.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

Like, you know, I think he was a Science. I think he was a chemist.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, well, that's basically just someone who makes meth in my eyes, so.

[Caroline Banowais]

Workplace comedies, Breaking Bad.

[Grace O'Malley]

Mm.

[Caroline Banowais]

We're talking about workplace copies. Everything's a workplace comedy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everything's a workplace.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I think it makes sense. There's no such thing as inventors. I don't think they're real.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think people would describe themselves as entrepreneurs instead of inventors, which I sexier. I have a thing about saying you're an entrepreneur. It's very broad. I brought this up. I went out after I had a show with Whitney one time, and she was like, what'd you do last night? I was like, I don't know. I was talking to this kid. He described himself as a entrepreneur, and she was like, what's wrong with that? He wants to be wealthy and successful.

[Caroline Banowais]

I hear you. Whitney is, like, part of a generation that is more into entrepreneur ism. Like, that is, like, their generation. They're like, break the cycle. And I love that they did that because they walked so that we could podcast. Yes. And I really appreciate that for them, but I will, like, every single person in their high school and tell me if you have one. And even I have one, and I was homeschooling school. Don't watch this if you're them, we'll get into that. No, don't watch this if you're. If you're that person. I'm just thinking, like, the pool was really small of people I knew, but there's always one person from your high school who's an entrepreneur. And girl, what do you do? Like, they always, like, start some kind of, like, club that people. And they're doing, like, parties coast to coast. But, like, the.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, what are.

[Caroline Banowais]

What is it?

[Grace O'Malley]

I would prefer you just say, I do this, that, and this, not I do so much. So I just have to generalize it by saying I'm an entrepreneur.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's not a job.

[Grace O'Malley]

You know, it's not a job. It's just, like, a state of being. No, I think your mindset comes company does.

[Caroline Banowais]

Like, I fully. It's like, okay, Theranos. I actually understand that it was doing something. And also, I always get Thanos confused with Thanos. Who is the or which one's which. That Thanos is.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which one is Thanos is I am inevitable. Which is kind of like an entrepreneur.

[Caroline Banowais]

Absolutely. Something they would put in their bio. I am inevitable.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am inevitable.

[Caroline Banowais]

But no, literally, like, it doesn't make sense. Like, if I can't understand what you do, I don't think you. And also part of me is like, sometimes people are like, what do you do? And like, content creators. Like, I'm a content creator. And I also do Sienna.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, I'm sorry. Hi, guys. Today we're here with my good best friend, Caroline Banowais, everybody. Not only is she a singer, songwriter, comedian, actress, artiste, styliste, Jack of all trades, and the most talented woman I know. Caroline, everybody.

[Caroline Banowais]

Stop it. I kinda like get chills when someone says that I'm their best friend.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh my God.

[Caroline Banowais]

Do you know what I mean? And I think it's like kind of trauma from being a child. Cause you know when you're a child and you're best friend, call someone else a best friend. And it like. So like when someone calls it like, it's like, oh, my God, they got.

[Grace O'Malley]

We are best friends.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean, validation.

[Grace O'Malley]

I really feel like that's like a given, but.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I know, I know. But like, it does feel like really like. And you want to know something else that's like funny is. And this is something our mutual friend said to me one time. We've actually known each other a long time.

[Grace O'Malley]

Really long time.

[Caroline Banowais]

Five years. Lore too, which is really funny. I would love to get into. We have lore that like, only. The only other person that could share this lore with us is a very random person. Not random, like, she's not random. I'm not. I don't mean that. But like, Becca Moore lives in la. I didn't mean it like, you know, like she said. I mean like you would think like the other lore would be someone who we see.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, we. We had this. We had this one and done with Ms. Becka Moore and then she went off and did her whole thing, you.

[Caroline Banowais]

Know, but there was like a time and it was literally 48 hours. But there were 48 hours where you, me and Becca Moore trio for 48 hours. We went.

[Grace O'Malley]

Threw Helen back.

[Caroline Banowais]

Well, actually we also, of course, and.

[Grace O'Malley]

We used to work at Total Frat.

[Caroline Banowais]

Move, if you're familiar.

[Grace O'Malley]

Guys, remember there was a Netflix movie.

[Caroline Banowais]

I think it made them go broke.

[Grace O'Malley]

I will not say any negative comments towards Total Frat Move because the last time I did, they got sad at me.

[Caroline Banowais]

Did they really? They email you or what they do.

[Grace O'Malley]

They were just like, damn. And I was like, yeah, damn. But like, you have to be able to joke about it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Wait, I'm sorry, did the actual people, like boss people are like our friends. Oh, but they have to understand now. They.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, I don't, I don't know.

[Caroline Banowais]

This is actually something I feel. And not talking about either of the companies we work for. Like, we obviously bleed the companies we work for, but, like, I do feel like employees should be less loyal to their companies because. And I'm talking to people who especially work in, like, finance.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't want you to get hurt.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. Okay. I think you guys need to be less. I'm talking about, like, people who get abused by their companies.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes.

[Caroline Banowais]

Because, like. Like, for example, I'm at cvs. Okay. I'm at cvs.

[Grace O'Malley]

You've been working there for a while.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, that's where I'm working. Viva cvs. Is that the you.

[Grace O'Malley]

Is that the new agency?

[Caroline Banowais]

Things are going well. So anyways, imagine you at cvs, and imagine. Okay, here's the deal. Cvs, huge company. You know, they're taking a lot, and I'm not promoting shoplifting, but say I was, and say someone at CVS is like, hey, don't shoplift. I'd be like, girl, you're not getting paid enough for this.

[Grace O'Malley]

And they have to be like, yes, I know. I understand. No, I'm with you on that.

[Caroline Banowais]

And that's what I feel like, like. Because the people who were defending this company were fired from this company.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Caroline Banowais]

When you're fired from a company, like, all bets are off. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's over.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's over. It's all over.

[Grace O'Malley]

You're losing.

[Caroline Banowais]

Loyal.

[Grace O'Malley]

Smashed.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Gone.

[Caroline Banowais]

No. Yeah, totally. Totally.

[Grace O'Malley]

So.

[Caroline Banowais]

And we're. And we love where we work, and.

[Grace O'Malley]

We have loved both. I. I'll speak for myself.

[Caroline Banowais]

I love. I love one of them. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

We actually had the same, like, trajectory, which is so funny.

[Caroline Banowais]

I know.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm like, we literally did the same.

[Caroline Banowais]

Which is funny because you're younger, but I'm literally always following Grace's footsteps. I'm, like, always right behind you. Like, hey, Green, we.

[Grace O'Malley]

So we worked at Total Frat Mov. Were. It was like 2020. 2021. And it was really funny because my friend obviously worked at barstool at the time, and I was doordashing on foot and writing little blogs. But the funny part about both of us writing these blog.

[Caroline Banowais]

How did you make your rent?

[Grace O'Malley]

By the skin of my teeth. Yeah, by the skin of my teeth. It was also a Covid deal.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Grace O'Malley]

So I was, like, able. It was good, I think, when I moved to New York. Did you save up before you moved here?

[Caroline Banowais]

I saved up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

I saved up a lot of money. Like, every summer I waitress. I Waitress all throughout college. And to be honest, it was really nice that I saved up a lot of money when I moved to New York because I always had money in case of emergency. But I also will say, looking back, and this is something like, looking back, I always think. And so I'm trying to keep this. I could have had more fun. Like, I do think, like, I wish I had more fun in college. I wish I wasn't so, like, thinking about money, saving money. I wish, like, I just had fun.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, but some people don't have the luxury of that, you know?

[Caroline Banowais]

True. But, like, every summer, like, I did nothing but work. And like, I wish, like, spring, I never want to credit cards for. So true.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's like, just like a word later.

[Caroline Banowais]

That's fake money.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's not real.

[Caroline Banowais]

By the way, speaking of stealing. No, I've always. Okay, I've always had a good credit score because I've always, like, been good with money. And then recently my credit score dropped significantly.

[Grace O'Malley]

Really?

[Caroline Banowais]

I have no. They were like, you didn't pay a bill. I have no idea what bill it is.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, God.

[Caroline Banowais]

If anyone in the comments, if anyone knows how I can fix that, Like, I don't know what bill it is. No, that's a prank. But no, no, that's right.

[Grace O'Malley]

But it's all gone.

[Caroline Banowais]

I cannot figure out what it is.

[Grace O'Malley]

But. But, oh, that's weird. But, okay. So when did you move to New York?

[Caroline Banowais]

I moved to New York in 2018. I, like, waitress and I babysat. And, like, I really. I wanted to be in musical theater. I still want to be if Broadway is watching. But, like, basically, like, finally I realized, you know, I'm not making money. Reality TV stars get on Broadway also, like, I do. And this is very entrepreneur of me. And, like, there's like a Weezer lyric that's like, I want to be rich, but it makes me. But I feel bad, but, like, I want to be rich, but also, like, I feel bad and I will donate money when I am. When I'm really rich.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, you know, it's going to take some time.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean, you have to buy it, enjoy it first. You know, I have to be a certain amount of rich. But yeah, no, I really wanted to be rich. And I was like, you know, I don't see a path for me because not that you can't be on Broadway and rich, but, like, no one wanted me on Broadway. So I was like, okay. I feel like I've always, like, people were always like, caroline, can you write my Instagram captions for me. And in some ways that is writing. And in some ways that's my first comedy show. That.

[Grace O'Malley]

Is that so? Yeah, you're basically. Who was the girl who, like, fled away from everything, you know? Who am I talking about?

[Caroline Banowais]

Caroline Calloway.

[Grace O'Malley]

And it's always a Caroline, isn't it?

[Caroline Banowais]

I don't think.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think she's no longer the limelight.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, she's definitely not.

[Grace O'Malley]

She's like a ghostwriting once again.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, she's ghostwriting. Yeah. Which is also what she got in trouble for. She was not writing her captions. But also like, imagine a time on the Internet where you were so famous for your Instagram captions.

[Grace O'Malley]

What a time to be alive.

[Caroline Banowais]

Isn't that crazy?

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, I think about this all the time. You know how people get stressed out about space? Yeah, I get stressed out about this question. If you could go back in time and do one thing in your lifetime, so you can't go, we're not doing the Hitler thing. Like, it's in your lifetime, what would you go and what would you do?

[Caroline Banowais]

Well, first of all, I want to say kill Hitler. I. I get it, I get what you're saying, but like, maybe sit down with Hitler, like, see where he's going. I'm just kidding. See, like not. No, no, no, he's wrong. He's wrong. But sit down with Hitler, try to fix the problem. Like, not everything has to be violence. Like, if I could go back in time, I would talk to Hitler. I'd be like, man, what you're doing is wrong. Let's figure out why you have these violent tendencies.

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you ever tried to talk to a 13 year old girl and say, I just don't. I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. Like, I just, I want you to see it from.

[Caroline Banowais]

Hitler is a 13 year old. Yes. Yeah, no, he was PMSing so bad.

[Grace O'Malley]

He's such a dumb bitch.

[Caroline Banowais]

He was a dumb bitch. No, I'm just kidding. I would totally, of course violently murder Hitler. And no.

[Grace O'Malley]

If I get all my niceness.

[Caroline Banowais]

Wait, so you're talking about pre. My timeline. Like, I can't go back and change anything about me.

[Grace O'Malley]

Anything.

[Caroline Banowais]

What's yours?

[Grace O'Malley]

So it's like there's these things where it's like, okay, what if I, like, before I go back in time, I research the iPhone, figure out how to make it and then go back?

[Caroline Banowais]

Entrepreneur of the.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am inevitable.

[Caroline Banowais]

I am inevitable.

[Grace O'Malley]

But like, like things like that, like, or like GameStop stock.

[Caroline Banowais]

So you're thinking you're thinking of, like.

[Grace O'Malley]

And, like, you have to be, like, realistic with it. The way I'm thinking of the question is, like, you can't go back and, like, do something political because you were probably 13.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's also, like, not fun. Like, I know we're like, it's like, not fun to, like. This is a hypothetical. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, I'm really not trying to save the world. It's never been a thought in my head. I would love some world peace going on.

[Caroline Banowais]

But, like, what am I, like, you know, like. Yeah, no, I think, like, maybe I would seduce Jeff Bezos when he was poor.

[Grace O'Malley]

Mm.

[Caroline Banowais]

I might have been 14, but yeah, he's a billionaire, so he's probably into that.

[Grace O'Malley]

He probably like the island.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean, all billionaires are low key, bad people. Like, I think I feel like Bezos.

[Grace O'Malley]

Is probably bummed out that he wasn't, like, rich enough to go on the island at the time.

[Caroline Banowais]

But you know what I will say, though, and not to like, give a billionaire compliment, but he does have an age appropriate wife, and for that I commend him.

[Grace O'Malley]

And she's a badass because I feel like she kind of climbed that ladder is what they say.

[Caroline Banowais]

But also, you know, one of the richest women in America is his ex wife.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

Which is like. That's what I'm saying.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, that's ideal, actually.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. Like a quick marriage.

[Grace O'Malley]

Cut me the ch and then go find your little. Go find your little.

[Caroline Banowais]

Go find your little baddie space cadet.

[Grace O'Malley]

His Nora. His body that he has currently that he just got married to. She was on a movie. We were just watching.

[Caroline Banowais]

Wait, she's. That's like, cool. That's her name. Lauren Santos. I don't know much about her and obviously all billionaires are bad people, but I do commend an age appropriate relationship. It's just like something about that, like Joseph's like, Major's healing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes. You were just telling me that the twins from. Yes, the real life twins that created.

[Caroline Banowais]

The Winklewoss Twins, are singers. So I, two years ago at Steven's talk house, saw the Winklewast Twins band, Mars Junction, and it was one of the best concerts outside of Katy Perry I've ever been to.

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[Grace O'Malley]

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[Caroline Banowais]

The thing about it is, like, we came over, you are there with your lovely friends, you're playing cards, you're making bracelets.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, very wholesome night for me. Like, if your aunt comes over like, oh, no, we're good, everything's good. Like your, your mom sends the aunt over and is like, make sure they're doing all right over there.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, you guys just make a bracelet. Yeah. Yeah, you guys. Yeah, I guess you guys were like high off. No, I'm just. But no, no, everything was good. Really chill vibes. I've met that, those two friends before. They're really, really lovely and sweetie pies. But they are like very chill. Like I've always thought that both of them are very chill and really sweet. And we come over with our loud ass mouth. We were so loud. Like I literally left. And I don't often like feet. Like when I leave, my friends think like, wow, that was really annoying of me. But I did text you and I was like, sorry for coming over and screaming about the Katy Perry concert for an hour.

[Grace O'Malley]

I loved every single second of it.

[Caroline Banowais]

It was made you play the footage?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Well, okay, so will you by chance maybe speak on this?

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I. And here's the thing. It's become a.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is a great outlet for you.

[Caroline Banowais]

Thank you. So if you're thinking about going to the Katy Perry concert and you've seen the videos online and you're like, wow, that looks crazy. That's not even the beginning of it. That's not even the beginning of it. And I want to say, I am a Katy Cat. I'm not. I wasn't going to hate I am a Katy cat. I think say what you want about Katy Perry. She has hits on hits on hits. She Teenage Dream. Almost a perfect album. If not a perfect album, like, really fantastic. I don't appreciate, and this is my disclaimer. I don't appreciate any criticism on her singing. I think she has a really great voice and I think sometimes people just like, love to hate and pile on the hate. So we're like, you know, me and my boyfriend are like. And by the way, I know that there's also, like, things about her that she's been canceled for. For working with certain people. We're just in this world that doesn't exist. I'm not acknowledging that. I'm not like, going that deep. Okay, guys, even though that. That's serious.

[Grace O'Malley]

Can I pause you right there? So you said you are a kitty cat.

[Caroline Banowais]

I'm a kitty cat.

[Grace O'Malley]

And Chris tried to come over and say that. He's like, I like her.

[Caroline Banowais]

No.

[Grace O'Malley]

By the end of the conversation, I realized he is Katy Perry's number one fan. No, we knew songs I didn't even know existed. Pause for amusement.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, they're Katy Katz. She has hits on hits on hits. And we're like, you know what? Okay. Yeah, we're gonna have to, like, go there and listen to some of, like, an album that we didn't want to hear. But we're also gonna hear Hot Nicole Cold. We're also going to hear California Girls. So anyways, the show starts, by the way, I want to let you know this is a two and a half hour show.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay. Is that long?

[Caroline Banowais]

That's really long. Okay, that's like eras tour long.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, that's a very long show.

[Grace O'Malley]

That is. Yeah, that is long.

[Caroline Banowais]

So anyway, so first of all, we run a catalog. We run into a. Yeah, you'd think. So we run into. We get to the concert. We run into so many people we know. Like, every single person we know said that they won the tickets on a.

[Grace O'Malley]

Radio show, which I think is just every person running into you and being like, I'm not. I don't know why I'm here either. I Won them? I don't know. I didn't buy these tickets.

[Caroline Banowais]

Radio show. Like, what do you mean? Who is this radio? Who's calling in on a radio show to win tickets to Getty Bear? Like, that's so crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Nobody in New York City listens to the radio because nobody call you.

[Caroline Banowais]

Did the radio call you?

[Grace O'Malley]

Hey, listen, you won. It's not junk.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, it's so crazy. Anyways, so we get there, the show starts. It's like, got a theme. It is giving one woman show. It is. And it's what I actually thought was really cool. And I thought that was kind of exciting and fun for a concert. So basically, like, she puts on these oculus. It's game themed. The like, theme of the game is that like, oh, Earth is. It's this dystopian Earth. All the butterflies are gone. And in this world, the butterflies are like power sources. And you know in the B movie when they take away all the bees and like, the world is like gray. That is what it's like when we take away all the butterflies. No.

[Grace O'Malley]

So she's ripping off the B movie. Plus, I knew the butterfly had a play when she was up in space.

[Caroline Banowais]

Was there a butterfly in space?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. It's the biggest teaser for the goddamn tour.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, yes, you're right. You're right, you're right, you're right. Da da.

[Grace O'Malley]

She is a mastermind. She's Taylor Swift.

[Caroline Banowais]

She's Taylor Swift. And so anyways, she starts the show, looks insane. Amazing. Insane. That's what I mean. Like, her body's tea. And so the game, it's this on the screen. We're watching this, like, whole intro, like, in a video game. She's giving us the plot. The like, there's all these like fake newscasts of like, the world is messed up. Like, love isn't there anymore. The environment is like going downhill. Global warming. I'm thinking, okay, Katie, incredible. This message. And so she's in a video game. She has to play the video game to like, save the world. This would be a really cool message if this five minute sequence wasn't clearly made by AI. Clearly made by AI And I'm not talking, like, good AI. I'm talking bad AI. And also, like, I'm a theater person. I've seen AI AI on Broadway and which is like total. Like, like. What do you mean? And I watched like. And these sequence. There's five levels in the video game. These sequence keep coming back and they're a couple minutes long. So I want you to know I watched, like, 35 minutes of AI at Madison Square Garden, by the way. She aied herself and she. It was crazy. So anyways, the video game starts. She comes out in this, like, thing, like. Like. Like a tank. Like, it's the beginning of the video game. She sings a song I've never heard in my life to start off the show. Yeah. I've never heard a song in my life. And then she, like, you know, sings some of her songs. Here's the deal. She's chopping through all her hits.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

She. We get to California Girls, I'm. I'm kind of thinking, like, oh, like, the audience seems good.

[Grace O'Malley]

Whatever.

[Caroline Banowais]

She gets the California girls. The place erupts. I was like, oh, this is. The energy. Like, this is crazy. The place is crazy. Like, people just didn't know those songs.

[Grace O'Malley]

And you also said that it was a very young audience, too, right?

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, they were children.

[Grace O'Malley]

The children. Yeah, the children are there.

[Caroline Banowais]

The children were there.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

So the show starts. Okay. Incredible. She gets to hot and cold. People are, like, literally losing their minds. She's a rock star. She pulls. She does that thing that pop stars do, which I totally love, and I totally believe that she can play the guitar really well. But something I love is when pop stars bring out the guitar and they hit, like, one chord, and then, like, they run around like, have you seen Carpenter plays the guitar with her long nails?

[Advertiser]

No.

[Caroline Banowais]

And I never even know she tried. I. I do believe that they can play guitar. I'm not saying that they don't have that ability, but it's like, while they're, like, doing all their. Like. It's like Little Wayne, when he would. Little Wayne would bring out the guitar and just like, that's my favorite little way. Yeah. Little Wayne with a guitar. It's like in a video game when you can, like, customize your character. And they have a guitar and they never play. Yeah. She set the guitar while she's flying above everything. So the concert starts hot and cold. She gets to one of the levels. Oh, she sings Woman's World. I'm the only person who knows the words. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which is crazy because I started singing it when you were telling the story the other night, and my other friends didn't know it.

[Caroline Banowais]

I'm like, it's a woman's world. Lucky to, anyways.

[Grace O'Malley]

And they're like, no, they've never heard of it.

[Caroline Banowais]

There are people who don't know it. And I'm like, what the hell? And then at this point, I start to smell something weird and I start to say, who is is farting? And I'm, like, unapologetic at this point. I probably because I'm, like, having fun. I'm giggling, I'm dead sober. But I started saying, like, who is farting? Who the is fart? Like, I'm like, going around and my boyfriend taps me and he goes, it's just the people in front of us, they just smell bad.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh.

[Caroline Banowais]

And I was like, no. Because then we're like, suck with this.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was a Bushwick gays.

[Caroline Banowais]

It was. I wasn't gonna say it, but yeah, they. And I think it's because they're just always dancing and that's why, like, their bodies are, like, so good.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. They just don't wear deodorant.

[Caroline Banowais]

And like, I guess, like, that's good aluminum. Hey, I'll die early and have aluminum in my body.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's literally fine by me.

[Caroline Banowais]

Totally fine by me. So then we get to the teenage dream level. She's speeding through her songs as fast as she possibly can. She sings teenage dream on 5x speed. It was literally tick tock, sped up version. She. And by the way, every song, she's doing a physical feat. She's doing a back bend. She's doing the splits. Like, she's an athlete. And by the way, like, no one's asking. Like, that's the thing is, like, no one needed you to do all that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Dude, she did so much. She wanted to be Pink Fergie at the Today show. Yes.

[Caroline Banowais]

Whoa. Whoa. And she was doing all of that. It was crazy.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's really wild. And then. Wait. And then my favorite part. I think my favorite clip that you pulled. And if we can use your footage, I would adore that. Is this one where she just runs. Yeah, she just is running.

[Caroline Banowais]

She's literally running. And then you also have to put in the clip of her doing a hundred backflips into an upside down split.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yes. Where she just stays there.

[Caroline Banowais]

And someone DM'd me. Like, imagine she just pisses her pants and, like, just pees on everyone. No, she's amazing. She's such a performer. She's absolutely insane. And, like, no one was asking for it. And that's why I think it was so overwhelming, because it was like, just sing Last Friday Night, which, by the way, she only sang one chorus.

[Grace O'Malley]

F. Oh, my God. Yeah. She sped through the classics, right?

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. And then she comes out with a Darth Maul, Sith Lord lightsaber.

[Grace O'Malley]

She fights, fighting off the most disturbingly made worms.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, the Worm from Dune, which, by the way, she.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which is a slinky.

[Caroline Banowais]

She cut some of her costs because that thing actually costs $3. And then. And by the way, she ends that song in a backbend. A backbend split, if you can believe it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, everything's adding up to yes.

[Caroline Banowais]

And then she does something, so. Oh, by the way, she's a lot of crowd work.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah, Matt.

[Caroline Banowais]

Rife level of crowd work.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

At one point, she loses the. To someone who, like, takes the microphone. That's how much crowd work she's doing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Can you explain that part?

[Caroline Banowais]

So she brings people up on stage. She's like, I want to bring some people up on stage to help me with a song. She brings up the people in the nosebleeds, which.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which I always as, like, growing up, going to concerts, I'm like, why don't they ever look to the people in nosebleeds? Because it takes fudgeing forever for you to get down.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, it was long.

[Grace O'Malley]

And they really waited.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, they really waited.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's so crazy.

[Caroline Banowais]

They really. It was.

[Grace O'Malley]

In the meantime, she had more time to do crowd.

[Caroline Banowais]

She had more time to do crowd work, which.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which is really her true passion. She's like John Mayer in that sense.

[Caroline Banowais]

You know, they dated.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. It makes so much sense.

[Caroline Banowais]

They dated, and maybe they'll get back together now that she's single again.

[Grace O'Malley]

Dude, these comedians think they can do music. Musicians think they can do comedy.

[Caroline Banowais]

Stop talking about me.

[Grace O'Malley]

But no, no, no. You do them intertwined. Intertwined is one different thing.

[Caroline Banowais]

Imagine your best friend invites you to her podcast just to talk about you. I've always said that I think it's.

[Grace O'Malley]

The coolest thing in the world, and I wish I could do it.

[Caroline Banowais]

You're so sick.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, I mean. I mean, like.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I know what you mean.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like a musician, like John Mayer, who just truly is a musician, being like, yeah, I do stand up.

[Caroline Banowais]

And I just. And here's what I have to say to Judge.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know if you guys know.

[Caroline Banowais]

He, like, does stand up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Does stand up.

[Caroline Banowais]

What I have to say to John Mayer, and I know he's listening. He's a huge fan of mine.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God. And he's a disgraceful head.

[Caroline Banowais]

Shut up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, he's on LinkedIn, always talking about my posts.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, yeah, No, I did see him share that one clip. But what I have to say to John Mayer, who's like, definitely listening right now, is, like, you are actually so talented and, like, you don't have to do stand up. And I don't know who, like, that is for the entrepreneur. That's for, like, us. Like, those are, like, that's really the people who, like, don't own property yet. Yeah, like, you're totally fine, babe. Like, you're.

[Grace O'Malley]

You're quite all right. Honestly.

[Caroline Banowais]

You're, like, so good at this. Like, you don't even have to, like, sing or play guitar anymore. Like, you could just pick one, have.

[Grace O'Malley]

A dinner party, and stand the whole time.

[Caroline Banowais]

No. Like, and this is what I have to say. Like, yeah, you literally don't have to, like, if I was his level of success and talent, like, you. You're good, babe. Like, you could be dating 18. And I think that. I think that might have been something. But, like, you. You literally, like, you don't have to do that. You're so talented, so famous. Like, yeah, you should be, like, doing shrooms, watching Instagram reels. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Come on, enjoy yourself.

[Caroline Banowais]

You want the car, you should be at a restaurant, not tipping. Like, that's the kind of behavior that's, like, the level you're at.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't suggest that for anyone, rich or poor.

[Caroline Banowais]

I want to say something about Grace. Amazing tipper and most generous person I know.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thank you kindly.

[Caroline Banowais]

And she didn't even create the iPhone.

[Grace O'Malley]

I didn't.

[Caroline Banowais]

So it's not like she has, like, crazy money, but she's the most generous person I know. But anyways, she does a bunch of backflips. Crazy. At one point. Like, so she has to, like, fight this, like, motherboard. That's part of the plot. And after all of this, she just pulls out a gun and shoots. Was awesome. It was the kicker. And then the butterflies are released. She rides around on a butterfly. Her hoo ha is out. She's looking fantastic. She's stunning, gorgeous.

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, shoots it with a gun after already using a lightsaber to fight off.

[Caroline Banowais]

I guess there are lightsabers and guns in Star wars, but. And there's a worm in Dune. So, like, she kind of, like, it was such a good concert. Like, I really cannot. If you go, like, just see me, like, I will FaceTime you.

[Grace O'Malley]

So I felt like I was at this concert because Caroline, that's so much fun, really been going off on her close friends. And I wish she could post the things that she's posting on her close friends to real Instagram because it's a laugh out loud. Hilarious.

[Caroline Banowais]

I'm scared. And like, here's the thing, and you're always telling me this, and I really appreciate this. Grace has told me, don't worry about your digital footprint.

[Grace O'Malley]

You can't.

[Advertiser]

We're in too deep.

[Caroline Banowais]

And I also think we're in too deep.

[Grace O'Malley]

I could, like, you know, you can find something to me, I'll happily explain it to you. Like, it's like, it's that easy.

[Caroline Banowais]

You're like, yeah, I was racist back then and now I'm not.

[Grace O'Malley]

I grew up in Boston trying to fix it.

[Caroline Banowais]

I grew up in Texas. Like, girl, I know it's. Yeah, but so. Yeah, no, I actually think you're right. And I also think everyone kind of has a digital footprint now. And, like, I think we're getting to the point. And if you're like someone who likes to cancel people, like, that's something you do in your spare time. I would say, like, maybe cancel. Be more selective with the people you cancel. Because we're canceling so many people that, like, now it's becoming too normal. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

I also. Have you seen these tiktoks that people are saying that everyone's so worried about getting canceled, that everyone's just conforming to being very boring.

[Caroline Banowais]

I agree. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I think it's very boring.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. Because all my close friends, you see, I pop off. And I'm also educating myself on my close friends. The other day yesterday.

[Grace O'Malley]

Are they dropping like flies? Wait, are you dropping them like flies?

[Caroline Banowais]

I have dropped people because they've been talking about. I don't post anything crazy. I really don't.

[Grace O'Malley]

I love that this is like a new thing for you.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, it's new. I just made my close friend. I know close friends has been a thing. I just made it three weeks ago. One of my close friends, I posted a wig. It was not an afro. It was a curly haired wig. But I'm doing Hunger Games, the one woman musical. And I wrote a song for Cinna. Now I will not be doing blackface. Just want to say that.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I didn't think she would.

[Caroline Banowais]

No. Because the paint's too. It's too messy. Like, the makeup's too messy.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

And the song's in the middle of a musical. Like, it would take too long to wash off. Like, so. Yeah. It is a one woman show. It's a logistical thing. So I'm doing.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've never. I don't even know what this means.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. So I'm doing a one moment show of like. Like the Cher show. She did like One Woman of West side Story. She's my muse. So I wrote Hunger Games, a musical. And I'm gonna do a one Woman show. But I. I, obviously, I get that I need to.

[Grace O'Malley]

But I don't know Hunger Games in the sense of, like, the characters.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh. Lenny Kravitz plays a designer.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay.

[Caroline Banowais]

Who, Like, I personally believe he plays him gay, but apparently on Reddit last night, because then I got scared that I was, like, you know, not being politically correct. And I want you to know I'm woke. I have a musical theater degree.

[Grace O'Malley]

Absolutely.

[Caroline Banowais]

And so I went on Reddit and I searched, like, which is so woke. Yeah. I said, is Cinna gay? Because, like, I thought he was playing. Did you start, like, a thread? No, there was already a thread.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yes. Oh, got it.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay. I'm looking at a visual. It's clicking.

[Caroline Banowais]

He kind of looks like he kind of playing it like the makeup and stuff is giving Prince.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

And so I. I went on Reddit and everyone was saying Cinna's sexuality is never spoken about and it's homophobic if you believe he's gay. Now, the lyrics to the song I wrote for Senna because for some reason I thought he was gay, are, I'm gay. I'm a homosexual. In your district, you were starving. That ain't great. But with me, babe, you ate. Those are literally the lyrics I wrote for him, which is poetry. And then I started. I love this interpretation. Yeah. And then I started to get worried. I was like, oh, my God. Like, not only am I racist, I'm homophobic. And I just started to get really stressed out. And so I put on my story. I said, here's the wig I want to buy for Cinna. It's not an Afro. It's just dark hair that's a little curly. Other ethnicities. Okay, I'm bombing this bit. Other ethnicities.

[Grace O'Malley]

I could be a Jewish wig.

[Caroline Banowais]

No. That's what I said. So I said, can someone please tell me if this is racist? Our dear. Your dear friend Nora, your sister, she didn't think it was racist, but she's also from Austin.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't think we have to stick to. This is your interpretation.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, so you say he can be recast, but is that whitewashing, like, history?

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, you are a white woman doing a white woman. One show.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's like reverse Hamilton. It's reverse Hamilton. It's reverse Hamilton.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. I think maybe, like, a mustache will suffice.

[Caroline Banowais]

I don't think he has a mustache.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just to show that you're a guy now. I don't know.

[Caroline Banowais]

Is. But, like, here's the deal. And here's the deal is Sinna's Gender ever spoken about. Like, I'm like. To the point where I'm like, I know nothing about this character anymore. And, like, my thing about it is, like, it's just a spin off for Sin up my. The Tracker Jacker also gets a song. People were asking. The Tracker Jacker does get a song. No one was asking. This isn't a live stream. The Tracker Jacker gets a song. Reverse Hamilton. So my next musical will be, like, a Rosa Parks, all white cast, obviously.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, so the musical.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yes. It's just a YouTube.

[Grace O'Malley]

What?

[Caroline Banowais]

It's just like, a YouTube thing I'm doing, but.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, you're not gonna. You're not gonna perform it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Maybe I will. Like, I just didn't know people would come, you know?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, my God, guys, the people are coming.

[Caroline Banowais]

Okay, if the YouTube video does good, I'll make it a full one woman musical.

[Grace O'Malley]

I loved it. Okay, so you just got off your tour?

[Caroline Banowais]

I did.

[Grace O'Malley]

And Caroline has this phenomenal show that she does. If you would like to describe it yourself, I think that would be better. But I've seen it quite a few times, and it is, like, one of my favorite things I've ever seen.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's gotten way better since you've seen it. I do have to tell you.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, yeah. You've added, like, so many great parts.

[Caroline Banowais]

That I want to see way better now. So that's Grace telling you before it got better. So I have, like, a one on one musical about being homeschooled and living in Texas and growing up, like, really religious.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which is all true to you.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's all very true. We do communion. But talking about it. No, no, no, no.

[Grace O'Malley]

I feel like people just kind of. I notice I've done it before to you, and I. I don't mean to, but it is just such a fascinating, fun fact. And I feel like whenever you're talking to someone or, like, you don't know something, people will be like, oh, Caroline was homeschooled.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, that kind of sucks. You know what's funny, though, is, like. And maybe it's because our individualities make us unique.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

But, like, my siblings, like, don't talk about it at all. Like, they're like, almost like, keep it a secret. And I'm kind of like, I kind of think the things that happen to us that are weird, and I think I used to feel like, oh, I want to fit in. But things that happen to you when you're young really stick with you. And really, like, on the outside, you might appear just like everyone else, but if Something happened to you when you're young. Like, you kind of, like, it's so imprinted.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

That I do feel like. Which is so crazy because I think if you look at me, like, you're like, oh, she is every other New York. And also the way I post online is pretty insane. So you're like, wow, she must be like.

[Grace O'Malley]

She definitely went to public school.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. Like, this is crazy. Homophobic and racist. That's public school for you as awesome. No, but I. I really do feel like, even, like, with my friends, I still, like, have this weird feeling where it's like, oh, I'm, like, different. Like, I don't fit in. Like, they're so crazy. Even though I'm crazy because I think the things that happen to you really imprint on you. So I actually, like, feel like it's such a core part of who I am, and I don't really get tired of talking about it, but it's. I think it's because I am a creative person and the things about us that are unique make guess like 100.

[Grace O'Malley]

It, like, it makes you stand out in any. Any conversation that's ever had.

[Caroline Banowais]

I feel like you have those things too. And, like, I feel like so much your family and the way it's. You know what I mean? I just think it's almost something that, like, is a. Well, that keeps going. And sometimes the more you talk about it, the more you remember something that happened where you're like, what?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And then you write it down and you have a hilarious joke.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

My whole thing is, like, you don't. You shouldn't hide who you are because it just. It makes you authentic and it, like, like adds to your.

[Caroline Banowais]

Well, that goes back to the conversation we were about to have before I probably went into my dumb Hunger Games bit, but where people are so scared about not being. Being canceled, so they're, like, afraid to be authentic. And I feel like we have some creators who, like, are so authentic, but they're almost, like, uncancellable at a certain.

[Grace O'Malley]

Point, which is ideal.

[Caroline Banowais]

Which is ideal. I mean, that's what we're trying to do.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm trying to get, like, the Paul Brothers, bro.

[Caroline Banowais]

Or, like, Trisha Paytas, who, like, I am a fan of, like, But I think, like, she's beyond the conversation of.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, she could do no wrong.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, she can do whatever she wants. So, like. And not even that she does anything, like, crazy anymore. But I. I do think, like, yeah, it's, like, hard to be authentic online. I just Think you get online and you expect the worst from everyone.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

You know what I mean? Like, like, even if you're talking to a friend and they start shit talking someone, if your point of view when they're shit talking someone is, oh, they want to talk bad about someone because they're insecure rather than. And maybe this person hurt their feelings and this is the way they're working out there. You know what I mean? Like, everyone just thinks the worst of everyone online. But like, maybe we could come from it. Like, like if they're doing something wrong, just say like, hey, girl. Like, sinus sexuality was never talked about in the show.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. I mean, this could be a simple conversation. Your career doesn't have to die over it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Two questions. Have you found your favorite creators are becoming more whatever? And have you felt the pressure to become more whatever?

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll answer the second question easier. I have no idea what I'm doing with my social right now. No clue. Not a clue.

[Caroline Banowais]

I think that that's like, I'm a flop.

[Grace O'Malley]

It happen.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I kind of think that's the magic of you though. I think, like, you're a very vulnerable person, which is strength. A lot of people can't do that. It's emotional intelligence and strength. And I think that people like that. Like, I think your charm is that, like, people feel like you're your friend because you are a good person and a good friend.

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, well, thank you kindly. Back to you.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, once a week.

[Grace O'Malley]

Once a week you have a viral video.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean, once a week. But then like, I go on, like, really sad, like, hiatuses of not.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've never seen anyone in my whole life. And this is not. This is turning into a dick sucking contest. But it is.

[Caroline Banowais]

But I love sucking Grace's freaking dad.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've seen someone work so hard.

[Caroline Banowais]

That's really nice.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everyone works so hard every single day. She's always pumping out content, her and her boyfriend, Chris Barnes. I gotta give Chris.

[Caroline Banowais]

He loves Chris. Amazing.

[Grace O'Malley]

You guys just like get right after it and you do. Doing it flawlessly.

[Caroline Banowais]

I have to say I like owe so much of like some of my stuff to Chris because he helps me with videos and like, it's like so nice to like, we've never ever ran out of things to talk about, which I think is rare for anyone. And I think, like, it really helps with my creativity because I'm always like, talking to like the funniest person I know and he's like, so supportive. And so I think that that's helpful in making Videos. I. It's really nice to say that I work hard because I feel like that's my, like, I think like there's workaholics in my family and I always feel like I'm not working hard enough because of that.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, you have, like. You're so, like, multi talented and you have your hand in so many different things and you're just constantly getting after it and it's.

[Caroline Banowais]

That's really sweet.

[Grace O'Malley]

I admire it. And now I'm done.

[Caroline Banowais]

Okay. And I really am not trying to make this a dick sucking contest. And I don't think it is. I just feel like.

[Grace O'Malley]

And this girl's drunk at a sleepover.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, literally. Literally. But full drinking and I'm literally like the most healthiest I've ever been. I also bought grapes. Grace. Fiery ginger shots. I've never taken them, but something about Grace is she never shows up somewhere empty handed. And so I went to the store and I was like, what reminds me of Grace? A fiery ginger shot.

[Grace O'Malley]

Should I take it?

[Caroline Banowais]

You should.

[Grace O'Malley]

I have really bad acid reflex right now. Oh, maybe we should wait.

[Caroline Banowais]

Maybe we should wait. Maybe we should wait. No, it's okay. Is it. A ginger would help.

[Grace O'Malley]

Did you open it?

[Caroline Banowais]

This is such a big shot. Do you want me to open it?

[Grace O'Malley]

Oh, you have one too.

[Caroline Banowais]

Okay, I have one too.

[Grace O'Malley]

Cheers. This is.

[Caroline Banowais]

And it's like warm.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is Katy Perry, neon.

[Caroline Banowais]

Why is it warped?

[Grace O'Malley]

Warm up.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's a pickle juice after dates.

[Grace O'Malley]

Caroline, what the fuck?

[Advertiser]

Do you hate me?

[Caroline Banowais]

I have tears in my eyes. What if I didn't get myself one and it just made you do it?

[Grace O'Malley]

Two people who can never shut the fuck up.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, my God. I really don't like that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just shut the fuck up for like five minutes.

[Caroline Banowais]

I really don't like that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Caroline, I'm going to repeat the question.

[Caroline Banowais]

Do you hate me? No. I know, I know, I know. That was really not cool of me.

[Grace O'Malley]

That was so fucked up. Don't ever do that to me. But it's, like, about your health.

[Caroline Banowais]

And also, this is the first time I've finished a show. This is the first time I finished a shot. And you haven't. Jealous. No. That's like, actually so true. We. I have. I have a. Yeah, you could beat.

[Grace O'Malley]

Me on health shots any day that week.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I really don't. I really don't like those. I really did not like that. I just want to say, like, that's gross, but this is not a dick sucking competition. I actually want to hear your genuine thoughts on how you got here. Because I feel like you're someone who cheers on people really easily. Like, you. Even people. You are always cheering on people, even people you don't know that well who, like, see success. You're not. I don't want to say you're not jealous of them because that's like speaking for you. But, like, you always are cheering people on, always saying things were really good. You're not a hater in your bones. And I'm wondering maybe that's why, like, so many amazing things happen. Because you have, like, such a light and, like, that's good karma. But how? And I'm not saying, like this to even compliment you. I'm asking you how you do it and what's your thought process behind it. Like, why are you cheering people on?

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, it's the coolest thing you can do is, like, to support someone that you know, even if you, like, barely know them. It's just like my whole thing with it is I'm, like, so happy for everyone, like, when they have their successes and it's because you would want them in your corner if you were doing well.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

And then I kind of run into the problem of, like, sometimes, you know, like, when someone, they get like a deadline article and, like, you repost it and you're like, oh, congrats. I don't want to ever seem like I'm like, being like, cloud chasey, cloud chasey or anything. It's just like, genuinely like that.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's not clout chasing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Like, I'm just like. I don't know. I'm just like, very happy for people when they do well and they get what they deserve kind of thing. And I've also, I think a big champion of that is, like, just seeing other people. Like Nikki Glaser.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. She's such a babe.

[Grace O'Malley]

She's so big. She's so huge. She's so amazing, she's so talented. And yet she's consistently hyping up people around her.

[Caroline Banowais]

And you want to know what especially?

[Grace O'Malley]

And you were hyped up.

[Caroline Banowais]

She hypes me up a lot. And the thing about it is, like, like, I mean, she's like the biggest star, like, right now and, like, so well deserved. Like, literally so talented. I've been such a fan for so long. But it is interesting because, like, she hypes up people outside of her circle, not in her class, like, which is, I think, part of the hardest things. Like, I love Grace Rider and Julia De Cesare, which I think is how you say their names, De Cesare. I'm not sure if that's how you pronounce it. I've never asked her. But I love Julia and I love Grace. I think they're so good, talented people.

[Grace O'Malley]

They're awesome.

[Caroline Banowais]

And they're actually so young. Like, young enough they could, like, date a billionaire. And it's easy to cheer them on because they're so talented and so sweet.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

But sometimes I'm like, God, like. Like, man, like, I wish I was where they were, especially at their age.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. But, yeah, I know.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's hard not to get jealous.

[Grace O'Malley]

It is. I recently read Chelsea Handler's most recent recent book, and then I was like, oh, I want to read her first book to see what it was like for her when she was starting out and see if she talks about any of that stuff. And before I even started to read it, I looked up how old she was when it was published, because I was like, God forbid, I'm already behind the ball for Chelsea Handler.

[Caroline Banowais]

We're in a different world.

[Grace O'Malley]

As if it even fucking matters.

[Caroline Banowais]

She doesn't matter.

[Grace O'Malley]

Chelsea fucking Handler.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean, Amanda Knox was standard by 20 by 20. You know what I mean? I also think you can't help but fall into that trap of girl on girl violence. I do think there's enough room for all of us at the top. And, like, a huge champion for that is Hannah Burner. Like, Hannah Burner is just also, like, a really great, amazing girl that, like, cheers everyone on.

[Grace O'Malley]

And you go on her tour.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. The clip of you guys talking about me opening for both of you, like, divorced parents. Divorced parents is very funny. It's really funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm Dad's house. She's Mom's house.

[Caroline Banowais]

She is so Mom's house. You are so Dad's house. But, yeah, no, no, no. Me and Hannah go on tour. When we're together, we're talking, talking, talking, talking. And then we go to the hotel room and we both sleep and, like, don't. Like, we don't go. I've never been to a bar with her.

[Grace O'Malley]

Really?

[Caroline Banowais]

We've never gone to a bar.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, yeah, it's not a different vibe. I. I've also, like, called her before and asked her if she drinks before I even knew her. No, that was really weird of me. I just called.

[Caroline Banowais]

That's funny.

[Grace O'Malley]

She gave me. She gave me her number on the side of the street one time, and I was, like, talking, and then she came up and someone was like, does Hannah put a drink? I was like, oh, call her. It was like, three in the morning. Oh, it was hammer. I was like, hannah, do you drink? And she's like, I thought you were arrested. This is the first time we've ever talked on the phone. What the hell?

[Caroline Banowais]

Which is also so her like, are you okay? Are you in trouble?

[Grace O'Malley]

Are you okay?

[Caroline Banowais]

No, like, but yeah, it's like, I don't know. The world wants to keep us down and I, I fear I am a little bit more of a hater in my core and I really don't want to be.

[Grace O'Malley]

Gossiping is very fun and you're very good at it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Pro gossip.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think gossiping is a good way. It's a good outlet. It especially. But you have to, you have to trust the people you're gossiping with. I told you many things where I, I. And that's why we are such great friends is because best if you will is because I don't second guess whether you're going to go and run and tell someone no.

[Caroline Banowais]

Agreed. And I also think, like, I think there's ethical gossiping and that's where, like, I'm pro gossip. If you look up the word gossip. Here's my little spiel. If you look up the word gossip, it's sacred words between a mother and a godmother to keep them safe. So for example, if you find out there's a sexual predator in a close friend circ in the comedy community, me telling you that is act gossip is keeping you safe.

[Grace O'Malley]

I love that.

[Caroline Banowais]

See what I mean?

[Grace O'Malley]

That's great. Gaslighting.

[Caroline Banowais]

It's me, me trying to like, justify my actions. But I think like, massage misogyny has made women feel bad about gossiping when all gossiping is, is keeping each other safe. Yeah. So.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I think it also get it like, clears the chest. Like, you know, like, like, God forbid, if you don't gossip, then you, you built it out and then you're just like an angry person.

[Caroline Banowais]

You also should be able to tell your point of view, like, and, but you should be able to tell it in a way where you're heard. And even if you say something a little extreme, the person you're telling understands that, like, this is you working out your emotions, venting, if you will. I don't think like, you should like, post on maybe on your close friends, but on your Instagram story. Like, I don't think you should do that. I don't think it should be like, I'm trying to tear this person down, but I do think that gossiping's good.

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[Grace O'Malley]

Gossiping is good because then you don't turn into those troll people that are just like trying to ruin people's lives.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Which you kind of had a stint with. Do you want to talk about it?

[Caroline Banowais]

But bitch, you told me not to talk about it. I know. Okay, but should I? Oh, what if you guys don't clip it?

[Grace O'Malley]

We won't clip it.

[Caroline Banowais]

Wait. Okay. And I do also want to say that this was not top of mind when you said that. I had no idea. It took me a while.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

To think of who it was. So in my like mid is. Okay, so years ago, like years ago, I lived with a friend and it was not a great living situation. I think both of us were like, unwell. Both of us were like, perfect place, honey. Yeah. I like had been living in the city a little bit longer. So like, I feel like I, you.

[Grace O'Malley]

Know, it didn't stink and you knew everything literally.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I lived with someone and like, it was hard because like this person like didn't pay for any of the furniture in the apartment. Which I think like when you live with a roommate, like, you know that that kind of is annoying. But also to be fair, I wasn't a confrontational person. Now, now I think being online and doing comedy has made me me way more confrontational. Like I'm just kind of like whatever. So I didn't ask to be fair. So like, I can't really hold that against them. But I, it did make me like annoyed that like there was never a question. And like also like I was, you know, you can say what you want? I'm sure there's two sides of every story, but, like, I couldn't have been that bad of a friend and roommate when I, like, let this person borrow money.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

This person, like, would eat my food and lie about it. And I was like, you know what?

[Grace O'Malley]

It's the lying.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. But, like, they came clean eventually. And I was like, you know what? I understand, like, you're going through some things. So, like, I wasn't perfect, but also, like, I wasn't that bad if I was doing that. And there was, like, some back and forth where, like, for example, there was one time this person left their tampon on the floor, and I was like, yeah. Like, hey, girl, you can't do that. And then they would come back with, like, well, you didn't buy toilet paper. And it's like, okay.

[Grace O'Malley]

Excuse me. Am I right, fellas?

[Caroline Banowais]

There was, like, issues with, like, not doing. You, like, vomit.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's like, the shot.

[Caroline Banowais]

Are you really gonna vomit?

[Grace O'Malley]

No.

[Caroline Banowais]

Your body's, like, fighting the fiery ginger me, pouring my heart out. Grace vomitz.

[Grace O'Malley]

She poisoned me.

[Caroline Banowais]

Now. What if I had poisoned you?

[Grace O'Malley]

And now there's a new slot to take the show.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, no. I guess I have to take over the pot podcast and do all of Grace's shows this weekend in Canada. Oops. Oh, okay. So basically, this roommate situation. I don't need to go into the dirty details.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. And they are dirty.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yes. But here's the deal. I've actually told this story on many a podcast because it is a funny story, but it's funny because this person heard me on a podcast where I only. I must have not gotten to, like, the big kicker punchline of the story, which is there was a couch that I bought, and this person sat on the couch so often. They slept on the couch. They sat on the couch over 24 hours on the couch at times where there was an indent of their bottom when they left.

[Grace O'Malley]

And I will say I have been the indenter.

[Caroline Banowais]

I actually found out recently that I was indenting a part of my couch, but all you have to do is, like, move to another seat.

[Grace O'Malley]

But I don't know, sometimes as roommates. And this is me just trying to totally. I'm just.

[Caroline Banowais]

And you should play devil's advocate, because I don't want to, like, go too hard on this person. Like, my life is totally.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everything's great. Everything's good. I. I'm just mad at her for trying to. Trying to get at you.

[Caroline Banowais]

So. Okay. She heard that part of the story, and she like, went to cancel on me online. But the rest of that story is she was always on this couch 24 7. One time I came home, she was masturbating on the couch.

[Grace O'Malley]

And that's like, we could. We could probably hear some footsteps. We could probably.

[Caroline Banowais]

Oh, it was like a fourth floor walk up.

[Advertiser]

Oh, for sake.

[Caroline Banowais]

And you know, I'm like on the phone 24 7. Sending a voice memoir. How many times have you received 100 voice memos from me?

[Grace O'Malley]

Like, I. I accidentally told Caroline that I don't like voice memos. And she was like, oh, so you just hate me?

[Caroline Banowais]

No, I don't text. I'm like, no, I'll be like, I.

[Grace O'Malley]

Actually, I've learned to love them from.

[Caroline Banowais]

You, by the way. I should have caught up to that because every time I send you a three minute voice memo, you respond with a text message.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah.

[Caroline Banowais]

So I. I should. I just.

[Grace O'Malley]

Because I'm always. I'm always with Nora. I get awkward. I love to read. I just get awkward on the phone or recording myself in front of people.

[Caroline Banowais]

Well, I also haven't reached your level of fame where people have been like, I heard. You know what I mean? Like, some. Some of you guys be. Be crazy towards Grace. I.

[Grace O'Malley]

One time I was gossiping at dinner and some girl leaned over, she goes, I get it.

[Caroline Banowais]

And then she went back to eating.

[Grace O'Malley]

Her dinner and I was like, no. And I was literally. I was literally like. And that is why I'm schizophrenic in public. I was like, with like a new friend.

[Caroline Banowais]

I'm like, that's why you never go to Ruby's cafe. All the girls are there and I love you all, but all you, You're.

[Grace O'Malley]

They're all there.

[Caroline Banowais]

And by the way, like, I'd love getting scouted there. No, that's where all the scouting agencies are. That's where Unwell scouts. But I know, like, literally, like, I'm sorry. Like, there's no world where you're in the right for masturbating on a couch that you didn't buy. And like, I only. Hey, girl. I'm only saying this because you brought it up. So I like, said, like, hey, girl, you can't masturbate on the couch. No, I said actually verbatim, no. No, I said, are you masturbating on the couch? Lol. And she was like, like, haha. Like, no, I was just charging it. There's no charger in sight. It's not on a towel. I don't believe if you're not washing dishes that you're washing your vibrator.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, no.

[Caroline Banowais]

Also, like, why. Like, why is it on the couch then? Like. Anyways, so I go to the bathroom, our tiny little bathroom, and I take a beat and I say, I had the. My friend Jess is, like, sexually positive. She's amazing. I said, what would Jess do? Because, like, am I being, like, a slut shamer? Like, what am I doing? And then I was like, Jess would be like, this is crazy. So I went back out and I was like. Like, hey, I think it's, like, really disrespectful. And then she hit me with. So when you said LOL earlier, you were being condescending. And I said, yeah, yes. This person made a tik tok, like, trying to, like, cancel me and, like, roll the tapes on the. Masturbating on the couch. I have a new couch now, obviously.

[Grace O'Malley]

Where did you. Where did you use the other one?

[Caroline Banowais]

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, actually, I think I kept it for another year. Despite the stains. The. I'm speaking of one in particular. I did keep it for, like, another year, I think. Yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean, coaches are exp.

[Caroline Banowais]

Also, like, distorted memory. Like, you don't like me, so you're going to remember the part where I talked about you on a podcast. Not the part where, like, there was a table on the floor and you must have my couch. You know what I mean?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah. Then also, like, the good times. You know, people forget about the good times.

[Caroline Banowais]

People forget about.

[Grace O'Malley]

Can we try to remember the good times?

[Caroline Banowais]

But also, this person also, like, blocked me on Instagram while we lived together. It's like, girl, you can't block me. Literally, you can't do that. And then I said to her, I was like, hey, I noticed I'm not following on Instagram. Like, I don't know if that was a mistake. Like, I'm really sorry. And she was like, oh, that's so weird. And I'm like, girl, you. I'm in the kitchen. You block me on Instagram.

[Grace O'Malley]

You can't. Oh, my God. You can't. You can't block someone you're living with. That's fucking insane.

[Caroline Banowais]

No, you have to wait. And then. Okay, now I'm venting. But. And then, like, she moved. She didn't have WI Fi in her apartment. So after all of this, I let her come back to the apartment. The apartment.

[Grace O'Malley]

And work there and use Instagram for which you're blocked.

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah. And then she got a subletter without telling me. This girl shows up on the. On My doorstep. I've never met this girl but you just sound like Joey Kamasta. By the way, Joey Kamasa can't understand a word he's saying. No, and babe, I love you.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm laughing, I'm laughing but I got, I got to play catch up.

[Caroline Banowais]

Wait, I need, I need subtitles. I need subtitles.

[Grace O'Malley]

Dude, do you think I could get him here in 20 minutes?

[Caroline Banowais]

Yeah, yeah.

[Grace O'Malley]

Should I, should I try?

[Caroline Banowais]

Say like yeah, yeah. Be like, Joey, can you get here in 20? Longest pod ever by the way.

[Grace O'Malley]

Still sleeping. It's 12 o' clock in the afternoon.

[Caroline Banowais]

12 o'. Clock. You only need to wait.

[Grace O'Malley]

He wakes up like 4:30. Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. The person you're to trying, trying to reach is. Even his voicemail's gay.

[Caroline Banowais]

I do have the gay gps.

[Grace O'Malley]

What's that mean?

[Caroline Banowais]

There's a voice on the GPS that's gay and I. It makes me feel more comfortable when they're giving me directions.

[Grace O'Malley]

Okay, so there's these new voices on the gps.

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[Caroline Banowais]

Oh actually I haven't heard her because I don't want to hear from a woman. I'm like girl, I know you don't are good at directions. You girl. We're both lost. I was like a female gps. We're never going to make it there on time. You're lucky I'm even driving. You're going to get me in a car crash. I need a man.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's good. That's good.

[Caroline Banowais]

Unfortunate.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, no, it's true. It's honest.

[Caroline Banowais]

I mean.

[Grace O'Malley]

And where do we go from here?

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