Heather McMahan Finds Me A Man

Summary

Podcast Summary: DisGRACEful with Grace O’Malley Episode: Heather McMahan Finds Me A Man
Host: Grace O’Malley | Guest: Heather McMahan
Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode, Grace O’Malley is joined by comedian Heather McMahan for a candid, comedic deep-dive into sisterhood, comedy careers, family dysfunction, health journeys, and Bravo TV obsessions. The episode flows like an extended coffee date between two sharp-witted best friends—complete with raw stories, riffing, advice, and dreams for the future. The pair cover everything from medical emergencies on planes, realities of IVF, sibling dynamics, generational quirks, to the weird power of social media and the ever-present lure of Bravo’s Real Housewives.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Family, Boston Roots, and Trauma Humor

• Heather’s “Boston Strong" Mother: Heather regales stories of taking her mother back to Boston, only for Robin to relive her disdain for all things Boston (clam chowder, lobster, even Logan Airport renovations).
  • "I can't change the narrative of your childhood trauma with Boston, you know?" (01:24, Heather)
• Mob Ties and Heritage: Heather reveals she comes from a mix of Italian and Irish lineage, riffing on the only "slurs you can say welcome in" jokingly with Grace about their backgrounds. (02:01)

Meeting and Comedy Beginnings

• First Impressions: Both admit to past green room nervousness; mutual admiration is clear—"I'm so proud of you. You have been crushing it." (02:21, Heather)
• Entering Stand-Up: Grace reflects on her own entry into stand-up through connections with comedians like Whitney and meeting industry stalwarts.

The Unhinged Reality of Health Emergencies on Tour

• Ovarian Cysts and Medical Dramas in the Sky:
  • Heather’s best podcast story, “Ovaries on a Plane,” is described: ovarian cyst explodes on an international flight; she’s helped by British medics, mistakenly told she has an ectopic pregnancy; ends up on a stretcher at Heathrow.
    • "With a lot of tragedy and pain comes some great material." (03:53, Heather)
    • "I just said, 'It's great TV.'" (03:48, Grace)

Sibling and Family Dynamics

• Sisterhood Bonds:
  • Both discuss having sisters—sharing clothes, fighting (“We were still fist fighting up until last year”—13:58, Grace), and switching from rivals to car-ride friends.
• Oldest vs. Youngest Sibling Complex: Grace and Heather joke about the unfairness and wisdom that comes with birth order.

Bravo TV, Reality Shows, and Fame

• Housewives Obsession:
  • Both are diehard Real Housewives fans—especially old school New York and Beverly Hills. They riff on the “riches to rags” storyline of OC, and the hilarity of Salt Lake City’s cast (“They're out of their goddamn minds.”—18:06, Grace).
  • "Anybody who’s dumb enough to buy into a manifestation program, that’s on you." (16:28, Heather)
• Heather’s Watch What Happens Live Appearances:
  • Describes being the comic alongside Housewives and needing strong takes for Andy Cohen; the challenge of being honest but diplomatic.
  • "You want to make daddy happy, but you’re sitting next to this person you barely know." (19:53, Heather)
• Not Doing Reality TV: Despite interest, Heather insists she wouldn’t want to fully open her life to reality cameras.

On Generational Differences, Sororities & Social Media

• College Memories: From bar traditions (penny pitcher nights) to the COVID generation’s house-party habits.
• Sorority Rules and Modern Restrictions: Smoking with crossed legs, dancing on tables allowed—but not with a drink. New generations can’t even post photos with alcohol.
  • "You could dance on a table, but if you had a drink in your hand while you were dancing… then it was lewd." (29:15, Heather)
• The Rise of Snapchat and Facetune:
  • Lamenting the death of “natural” photos: "If you're gonna facetune, do all of us." (30:44, Heather)
• Kids’ Alcohol Rules: Today’s college students worry about social media implications, unlike their predecessors.

The Grind and Glam of Comedy

• Switching Mediums and Managing Pressure:
  • Both discuss the challenge of making their long-form, story-driven stand-up work in the “clips” era of comedy.
  • “Support live comedy… In this clippable day and age, it’s a little annoying.” (37:19, Heather)
• Road Life Hazards:
  • The toll touring takes on health and body: “You have to fight for your life to be healthy on the road.” (60:53, Heather)
  • Eating club chicken tenders to avoid salmonella, overcoming illness on stage, and the need for resilience.

Personal Growth, Fears, and IVF Realness

• Motherhood and Career: Both are open about career focus and complicated feelings about the “right time” for kids.
  • “You ride the ride and do your thing right now because you’re on the right trajectory.” (36:27, Heather)
• IVF and Body Image: Heather gives an unvarnished look at IVF cycles, weight fluctuations, and the emotional rollercoaster.
  • "When you do IVF, you get so bloated and look five months pregnant, but then they've taken out tiny little eggs..." (60:01, Heather)
• On Weight Loss Drugs and Female Pressure:
  • Candid about experiences with GLP1 drugs, their side effects, and the unique pressures women face around weight and aging.

Dating, Sexuality, and Future “Men”

• Grace’s Love Life Predictions:
  • Heather, playfully psychic, predicts Grace will first date (and break up with) a short king, go lesbian, then end up with her original “petite Guatemalan” man (41:36–42:24).
  • "You're going to have a little Keebler elf as a boyfriend. He’s going to worship the ground you walk on." (41:00, Heather)
• Fluid Conversations on Sexuality: Both riff on “femme tops,” lesbian crowdwork, and navigating sexuality with humor and openness.

Money, Class, and Upward Mobility

• Childhood Financial Struggles:
  • Both share stories about familial financial instability, like maxed out furniture credit cards and the “Oreos as catalyst” for ambition (50:53, Heather).
  • “Remembering the financial hardships where you could overhear the conversations of your parents being like, ‘We may lose the house.’” (51:27, Heather)
• Comic/Blue-Collar Solidarity:
  • Heather’s love for stage crew union workers: “There's nothing better than walking into the theater and it's all the Ayatsi guys and they're all like 75…” (44:33, Heather)
  • Joking about investing in plumbing, HVAC, and trades.

Cruise Life, Alcohol, and Functional Alcoholism

• Running Out of White Wine: The infamous story of Heather’s cruise comedy show draining the entire ship’s white wine supply, highlighting the quiet intensity of her fanbase's appetites (46:15).
• Personal Drinking Habits: Honest about the spectrum from blackout benders to “one glass of red” types; the generational shift in liability and shame.

Travel and Giving Back to Family

• Grace’s Dream Trips:
  • Saving up to take her mom to Hawaii and her parents to Ireland—travel as the ultimate flex and reward.
• Heather’s Euro Summers:
  • Her love of going full-on “Euro” every summer, seeing it as self-care and rejuvenation.

Lightning Round: Photos and Memories

• The episode ends in a fun, rapid-fire “memory lane” segment: Grace brings up Heather’s old photos—school plays, airbrush T-shirts, vintage headshots, and stories of friendships that have evolved into creative partnerships.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Comedy as Survival:
  • "With a lot of tragedy and pain comes some great material." —Heather (03:53)
• On Family Ties:
  • “She’s a woman after my own heart. She’s Boston Robin. She’s Boston Strong.” —Grace (01:12–01:14)
• On Sister Dynamics:
  • “We were still fist fighting up until last year.” —Grace (13:58)
• On Bravo Fans:
  • "These Bravo fans are out of control. They'll figure anything out." —Heather (18:53)
• On “Femme Top” Definitions:
  • “A person who presents as feminine and androgynous… but plays as a dominant sexual top role.” —Grace (39:33)
• On Social Media Pressures:
  • “If you're gonna facetune yourself… do all of us.” —Heather (30:44)
• On Family Dysfunction & Resilience:
  • “You can do as much therapy as you want… at the end of the day, I have to let things go.” —Heather (49:09)
• On Millennial Money Trauma:
  • “We almost lost our house because my parents tried to furnish it with one credit card and they couldn’t pay it.” —Grace (50:25)
• On Living in the Now:
  • “Why can’t I just be skinny for the… If there was a magic little, you know, piece of candy I could take to be skinny, I would take it. Well. Now I get, why am I not doing it?” —Grace (58:16)
• On Comedy’s True Reward:
  • “Support live comedy… In this clippable day and age, it’s a little annoying.” —Heather (37:19)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:58–04:48: Boston family trauma, Robin’s quirks, and the meeting-cute story
• 03:31–07:24: Ovarian cyst airplane story
• 11:12–14:18: Sibling relationships, family competition, and high school memories
• 15:25–20:17: Reality TV, Bravo, Andy Cohen, and Housewives critiques
• 29:04–31:08: Sorority traditions, social media, Snapchat/Fake Photos
• 33:49–34:34: Dorm health horror stories, “doing college right,” and lingering effects
• 35:09–36:27: IVF and motherhood quandaries
• 41:00–42:24: Heather’s “love life prophecy” for Grace
• 46:12–47:03: Running out of wine on a cruise ship, functional alcoholism among fans
• 50:53–51:25: Childhood poverty as parental motivation, “the Oreos story”
• 60:01–61:18: Unfiltered IVF realities: weight, hormones, and the comedy grind
• 62:33–64:08: Best and least expected cities for stand-up audiences

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Final Thoughts

This episode gives a raw, hilarious, and sometimes touching look into the world behind-the-scenes of working female comics. It’s a podcast about resilience, absurdity, and the alchemy of turning even the most chaotic or painful personal events into art and laughter. If you love honest, “no notes” friendship banter, real talk about bodies, fertility, and family, and sharp reality TV analysis, this is your episode.

Follow Heather at: [e-mail], heatherontour.com, and “all the bullshit” socials
**Grace’s tour and more life: instagram.com/graceomalley

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Transcript

[Heather McMahon]

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Last week, you didn't even know her name.

[Grace]

Sometimes people sneak up on you.

[Heather McMahon]

Friendship.

This is the most absolutely unhinged planet,

[Grace]

and I'm obsessed with it.

[Heather McMahon]

And self discovery on and off the ice.

[Grace]

It's scary telling the world something I'm

[Heather McMahon]

not ready for it to know.

Oh, and it's pretty steamy.

[Grace]

This is the part where I tell you all the things I want to do to you off campus is now

[Heather McMahon]

streaming on Prime Video. My phone pings. I don't know what to do. I have my phone on do not disturb, but my mom somehow gets through. So if any reason it pings, just know it's Robin. Okay, Sorry.

[Grace]

And that's perfect. Yeah, we love Robin.

[Heather McMahon]

We love Robin.

[Grace]

She's a woman after my own heart.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, she's Boston Robin.

[Grace]

She's Boston Strong.

[Heather McMahon]

She's Boston Strong. But Grace, I took her to my show in Boston two weeks ago, and my mom left Boston for a reason. And I brought her up. I thought we'd do a whole weekend.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And she just had, like, PTSD the whole time. She was like, I hate clam chowder. I hate lobster. Get me out of here. I'm like, mom, don't you want to, like, go around and we'll go up Newbury Street? She's like, no, get me out of here. She's bitching at Logan. She's like, the airport looks terrible. I'm like, they did a gorgeous renovation to the Delta Lounge. She was bitching the whole time. And I just said, I can't change the narrative of your childhood trauma with Boston. You know?

[Grace]

What, is she in the mob?

[Heather McMahon]

Was she something? Yeah, her family, I think, ran the North End, you know?

[Grace]

Okay, gotcha.

[Heather McMahon]

Italian. Italian. And then the other side was Irish.

[Grace]

Okay, so this good. There's a good half.

[Heather McMahon]

That's a good half. There's a good half.

[Grace]

I thought it was all guinea.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's a mix.

[Grace]

It's the last Thing. The mix.

[Heather McMahon]

The mix.

[Grace]

The mix.

[Heather McMahon]

The mix.

[Grace]

Yeah. The last two slurs, you can say welcome in.

[Heather McMahon]

Hello. How we doing? Just two gals.

[Grace]

Heather, I have been trying to get you for so long.

[Heather McMahon]

I know.

[Grace]

I'm so glad it's finally worked out

[Heather McMahon]

on both my part.

[Grace]

Your part?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

This is so awesome. This is a mandatory hang.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, it's a mandatory hang. Absolutely.

[Grace]

We've gotten to, like, say hi and bye, like, a thousand times over, but never sit down and shoot the shit. So I'm excited.

[Heather McMahon]

Dude, I just want to say off the. Off the rip. Like, I'm so proud of you. You have been crushing it. You were just like, you said, you. I mean, we met, like, a year and a half ago or two years, and you're like, yeah, I'm going on the road. I was like, fucking. Just go out there and crush it, dog. I'm so proud of you.

[Grace]

I would. And I never got a chance to tell you, but I was, like, super stoked to meet you in that green room. And, like, I was, like, a nervous wreck. Like, Whitney brought me to a show.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And, like, it was you, Hannah. Whitney. I forget who else. And then, yeah, I was just like, oh, I'm with the gals. I was like, I'm trying to dip my toes into stand up. And here we are.

[Heather McMahon]

No, that was wild, too, because, wait, that was actually the last Netflix as a joke?

[Grace]

I think so.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Yeah. Because we were running around and doing. And you got to see firsthand, like, it's so important to play audiences, because in this business, like, obviously when you're touring, you can get very comfortable with your crowd and doesn't mean you should change your material. But it's so good to play audiences that have no idea. And the Largo is. You know, some people come for you, but the first three rows of that show were all, like, npr, like, baddies. People who just read the Atlantic and listen to npr. And I'm up there like, all right, we gotta lean in. We gotta adjust. I was so happy to meet you.

[Grace]

Oh, my God. I was so stoked. And you just are a rock star. I think you're the coolest ever. And I just need to get that off my chest so we can be good.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, let's talk about how I came in here. I'm pretty sure I am about. I have an ovarian cyst that feels like it's about ready to rupture. And it's one of those. Like, it's the busiest week of the year, and I am Truly hanging on. Like I told you, I said, if I just kind of stroke out, I just need you to know it's because an ovarian cyst is ruptured.

[Grace]

And can I just say I'm sorry for your troubles, but also thank you, because that's great tv. It is great tv. That is great tv.

[Heather McMahon]

Can I tell you my number one episode of my podcast is Ovaries on a Plane, and it's a story about how my ovary literally exploded and flipped upside down on an airplane. And, yeah, so it. I will say, with a lot of tragedy and pain comes some great material.

[Grace]

Yeah. I think you're really great at plugging because now I'm going to go listen to that. I'm not going to make you retell it, but I've always wondered what the fuck happens if you have, like, an emergency happen on a plane? You just have to sit in it.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, you have to sit in it. And I. I wasn't feeling great the whole day, but I was like, oh, maybe it's a kidney stone. And this is how gnarly women are. I just thought, oh, I can still travel internationally with the kidney stone because I had friends. International, of course.

[Grace]

Of course. I heard you just booked a trip.

[Heather McMahon]

I just booked a trip. Y. Humble brag. I go international, and I get on the flight. We're like an hour and a half into the ride, and then I'm like, oh, my.

[Grace]

No.

[Heather McMahon]

About an hour into the ride, and the guy sitting next to me just took an edible. It's an overnight flight, and he's so fudgeing high, and he wants a yip yap.

[Grace]

And then I told you about that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like.

[Heather McMahon]

He's like, you know. Yeah.

[Grace]

Long haul.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. I mean, he had a Grateful Dead T shirt on. I was like, this is my kind of guy.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And then all of a sudden, it was like this wave of pain where I was like, oh, my God. I thought for a second like, it had been my appendix. I said, something's happening. So I went up and I asked the flight attendant. I was like, hey, I don't mean to alarm you. And I'm such a people pleaser. Like, I don't.

[Grace]

For help. You're saying sorry.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I'm in pain. You're saying sorry profusely.

[Heather McMahon]

Apologizing. Crying. Like, I don't want to disturb anybody.

[Grace]

Screaming. Even though you're in screaming pain.

[Heather McMahon]

They bring me up to the front. They put me on oxygen. I immediately rip the oxygen off, run to the bathroom. I projectile vomit. And then I'm like, oh my God, something's happening. And so they call for a medical professional on the flight.

[Grace]

Oh, you. You got the call out.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, I got the call out.

[Grace]

Oh, I've never even seen this.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, no. Sos. And to be part of the call

[Grace]

out at the call out, something special.

[Heather McMahon]

And it was on a Virgin Atlantic flight. So I'm flying from JFK to London Heathrow. And so two British gals come up and they're like. One of them was a nurse practitioner, another one was, I think, an emt.

[Grace]

And they're like, I'm an NP love.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I'm an NP love, don't you worry. She kept telling me, this woman's like, I think you're pregnant. I said, ma', am, I really don't think I'm pregnant. I think this might be an ovarian. Says she's like, no, I think you've got an ectopic pregnancy. And she just kept saying, I'm like, well, you know, of course, like you're in a ha. Like, what is this?

[Grace]

Let me feel your belly. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

She says, I think there's a baby stuck in your fallopian tube.

[Grace]

It's kicking.

[Heather McMahon]

I was like, whatever it is, exercise the out of me. And it was, it was the wildest, like seven hours of my life.

[Grace]

Oh God. Yeah. Cuz that's right at the. Right at the top.

[Heather McMahon]

Right at the top. And so I had to ride it out. They found some like loose pills somewhere in a drawer and they like called

[Grace]

down Love a Lucy.

[Heather McMahon]

They called down to Earth and they're like, what can we give this girl? They gave me like a tour doll. And then they put me. Because I was. And at that time I wasn't paying for lay flats. I was in like, you know, Delta Comfort. So they put me in a, like the galley area where they could put a curtain around me. And they laid me down on blankets and just gave me a Sprite and a Tordall. And I kind of packe passed out for like 30 minutes from the pain. And then I woke up and they were putting me on a stretcher at Heathrow.

[Grace]

Oh my goodness.

[Heather McMahon]

But this is the worst part about it. I was fully by myself and I did not text my husband because he was back in New York. And I was like, there's nothing he can do. Like he's just gonna panic.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And he was not gonna help me. Like he's gonna be asking me too many questions. Such a woman, such a woman.

[Grace]

Such a strong Woman.

[Heather McMahon]

Such a strong woman.

[Grace]

I don't want to bother him. He's gonna ask too many questions.

[Heather McMahon]

I was like, he's not gonna be helpful. He's like, why did you get on the plane? Like, quit pitching. Yeah. And so. But the wild thing is, after they sent me to the hospital, I then had to go back to Heathrow from the hospital and go through customs because I never went through customs because they took me off the plane in an ambulance. So I had to then go back through customs. Talk about humbling. Wow. Uh huh. Wow.

[Grace]

How do they. How do they check in on that?

[Heather McMahon]

They. You have to make it. You literally roll up to the airport, you make a phone call. Some guy named Ronnie comes out and he's like, I'll take you through the back. And then you have to, like, go through your luggage. I'm like, this wasn't because I was trying to smuggle something and you needed a distraction. Yeah.

[Grace]

Well, that's a good idea, though.

[Heather McMahon]

Good idea.

[Grace]

Really good idea.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Because you know what? You're not gonna f. With a woman who's having an ovary issue.

[Grace]

Yeah. Especially if they might be pregnant.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. It's harrowing. So if any reason I hit the deck, just call 911 4.

[Grace]

Oh, yeah. Gotcha. But we're gonna kind of leave it there for a second. You know, I gotta get the shot. And then. Yeah, I promise we'll take a lot of photos.

[Heather McMahon]

Calling tmz. You know, I need this. I need this right now. Hilarious. Wouldn't that be so funny if I was just on. But I was outside. Come in.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And I had like a levain cookie in my hand, and it's like comedian Heather McMahon death gripping a chocolate chip cookie. And I'm like, levain to D.

[Grace]

She's a company woman.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. I mean, if they want to send me a check, I'll take it, you know.

[Grace]

Well, that would. That would actually be better than the last time you were on an unwell podcast. Because I watched the beginning of you and Harry's podcast right off the rip. Just didn't even know your name, you know, didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. Just so disrespectful.

[Heather McMahon]

So unbelievably disgraceful, you know.

[Grace]

Thank you very much, company woman.

[Heather McMahon]

Yes. And the wild thing is, Harry and I have been to many parties. Harry knew. He knows my name, he knows who I am. It was like some cheeky bit he was doing. I was like, harry, shut the fuck up. Yeah, I. And yeah, well, it was funny. Cause I just saw a clip that went viral from that that they re released. And I'm also three day. I'm like a week and a half out of having major neck surgery, so my entire face is swollen. And then he's like, would you ever eat fanny? And I thought fanny was ass.

[Grace]

That was fucking.

[Heather McMahon]

I would think ass too, right?

[Grace]

I would think ass too. And this little fuck, he's going, oh, yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

He's like, oh, it's vagina. It's vagina in New Zealand. I'm like, I've been to New Zealand, motherfucker. Now, I have a question. Cause you're much younger, are you than me?

[Grace]

Not that much.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Okay. So like, I never. I didn't grow up eating the ass. Oh, you.

[Grace]

That's thing.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, they do that a lot. And I'm married and, you know, we have a very thriving sex life. But I'm not trying to eat the ass.

[Grace]

Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think that the eating of the man ash is all that scrummy because I don't think they're really. I don't think they're wiping too good.

[Heather McMahon]

No, I'm not gonna lie.

[Grace]

I think that. Oh, now I'm going off.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm so sorry. It's my mother.

[Grace]

Your mother? They both from Boston? Yeah. Did your mom still have the accent?

[Heather McMahon]

She does. She doesn't think she does. My mom goes to our very Southern country club and she thinks she's like, you know, ma, it's rather warm in here, but really, she's packing the cat. Yeah, she does a hota where she says, like, vodka spa.

[Grace]

Well, that's Boston harder.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, it's the hota. Always a hota.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And there are days where I'm just like, mom, we got it. Yeah. Huh. She's like, I thought, let's go to the spa. And she thinks she's.

[Grace]

Oh, yeah, that's what women do. So they're trying to escape the accent so they pronounce the R. So like, like not even crisp, just like. Like, I am not from there no more.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm not from there no more. I'm not from there no more.

[Grace]

And they'll say, use. Yeah. Can't get rid of used. Yeah, I told. I told you guys.

[Heather McMahon]

That says horse. Horse.

[Grace]

Like ads and R words. Not like when he's talking about a hearse or a horse or our horse or an ass.

[Heather McMahon]

So weird. Yeah.

[Grace]

Just adds ours. Yeah, it is weird. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Some of the things. And my mom kind of Speaks her own language in a way. Like she has her boss an accent. But now that she's 79, like, she's like, you know the thing with the guy and the thing. And you got. When we went to the thing and then I have to translate and I'm like, so what my mom is saying.

[Grace]

Yeah, I was gonna say, but you wonderful talking about. It's like, oh, yeah, I was speaking a thing. Yeah. My sister and I do that all the time and I forget to tell people that we're like sisters and we work together and like, even on the podcast, I'll be like, oh, that thing where I. And I just say that. And she goes, I know, exactly. And Right. People will be like, what the.

[Heather McMahon]

We need details. We need to finish the sentence.

[Grace]

Like, where did you find that girl? She knows you so well. I'm like, oh, it's my sister.

[Heather McMahon]

My sister. It's my sister.

[Grace]

Do you have siblings?

[Heather McMahon]

I do. I have an older sister.

[Grace]

You have an older sister. You guys get along?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, we get along.

[Grace]

That's huge. Okay, cool.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, we get along. And she's three years older. And so it was kind of fun growing up too, because in high school, like, I was a freshman when she was a senior, so then I could. I learned my ways through her. But, you know, Ashley was funny because I've always been a little bit of a goody two shoes. But I would always see, like, how I learned how to sneak out from her, you know, and like, she kind of guided the way.

[Grace]

Yeah, you get in trouble cause you don't make the mistake.

[Heather McMahon]

Exactly.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. And then I learned once she went to college, I was like, if I just tell my parents that I'm going to the party now, Grant, granted, I'm the baby, so. And there's a lot of beef there where it's like, oh, you had it so much easier. I'm like, no, I just watched you get in trouble. And then I figured out a slicker way to get by. Totally.

[Grace]

That's what it is. Like we, the oldest sibling, we're just trial and error.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And making ever after error after. It's fucking.

[Heather McMahon]

And I do feel bad because there is always like a level of resentment in some way with all older siblings because you feel like you were held to a different standard. So let's just. We'll admit that. Yeah. But it is wild where it's just like, okay, are we going to let it go?

[Grace]

You know? No, I'm totally over it. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

All of my friends are older siblings and I Don't know why they hang out with me. Who's the baby? And I do get asked sometimes, like, are you an only child? And I'm like, okay, am I that much of a cunt?

[Grace]

It's like the shittiest thing you can say to somebody. No offense to all the. The. The only children out there, but you kind of suck.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, but now that I'm thinking. Now that I'm thinking about having kids, I'm like, God, it might be nice just to have one, you know, Just put literally the out of. Just out of. Just. Do I need another?

[Grace]

I think. I think you max it at 2. That's what I say.

[Heather McMahon]

I. That's what I say. I need to do two or seven. I'm either gonn or a lot. I'm not going three. What are we doing with three?

[Grace]

Yeah, three is a crowd.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, it's a crowd.

[Grace]

That's what it is.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And then. And we got. We got four going on at ours, so it's like two and two.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Two old.

[Heather McMahon]

So do two gang up on each other?

[Grace]

We're not there yet. No, we're not. We're not. They haven't figured out how to form an alliance. We definitely. Yeah, yeah. Like, we're close. Us two are really close. And then them two are really close. And then we're like, why do you guys have inside jokes that we're not in on?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, we don't like that. What was the dynamic growing up, though? Were y' all always close or did

[Grace]

y' all be so. Actually driving to school, senior and freshman. That's when we became friends.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Because we, like, we started sharing the same music. Like, she would show me hers, but, like, I, like, reluctantly would listen. I'm like, yeah, fine. It's pretty good.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Grace]

Then we go to this. The concert together, and I'm like, all right. I kind of with you, man.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

It's like you can never admit it.

[Heather McMahon]

Isn't it the wildest dynamic to his sisters, like, you can say the most horrific thing. You could claw each other's eyes out. You could fight over a sweater. You could push each other down the flight of stairs. It's like, all right, that was a Tuesday.

[Grace]

Yeah. And that's the other thing. Like, Alex Earl just posted a video. Video of her and Ashton, like, fighting, and people are, like, up in arms about it. I'm like, you should see a Tuesday at the house. It's a very.

[Heather McMahon]

That's just casual.

[Grace]

We. We were still fist fighting up until last year.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Yeah. Yeah. We're a year strong, by the way. Yeah. I'm proud of you. That was really good.

[Heather McMahon]

Really.

[Grace]

So proud of you. I think I did. You did, yeah. Which is tough.

[Heather McMahon]

So I can't. My sister's so much physically smaller than me. I couldn't if I decked her. Like, I mean, she's tiny and I'm like the large one in the family. So I think, you know, fair fight.

[Grace]

We're a fair fight for the two of us.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

[Grace]

With the same weight class we. Yeah, we square up.

[Heather McMahon]

See, that's nice that you guys could share clothes too, because I could do that. I never had hand me downs. I never had like cool stuff from like the Limited too. Like, I was in the third grade already dressing in the Limited, you know, like I was already in. I was at an Taylor while everybody else was at Wet Seal. That was my journey. Wearing a blazer.

[Grace]

You borrowing stuff from your ma?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, well, no, she's also tiny too, so I was just borrowing clothes for my dad. Like a lot of golf shirts. Duckhead shorts.

[Grace]

Hurts. Yeah, you said. You said the Adam sandler trend, like 100.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Years beyond.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. No basketball shorts though, because Kyle was not that athletic. But yeah, for sure.

[Grace]

You have a Kyle dad?

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, I have a Kyle dad.

[Grace]

I've never heard of this.

[Heather McMahon]

Really?

[Grace]

Yeah, No, I. Mostly Kyle's are like frat boys and younger.

[Heather McMahon]

So this is the interesting thing. They tried to make Kyle like the. The Karen. The equivalent to Karen. It's not. I've only met wonderful Kyle's and I know a lot of younger Kyles were like gay and black and fab, but no, I'm. And I'm Heather Kyle, so I'm also of the namesake Kyle.

[Grace]

Oh, wow.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Grace]

Kyle is a woman. That's a fun one. And the only one that comes to my head is Richards. Richards.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Thank you.

[Heather McMahon]

A queen, an icon and a legend.

[Grace]

Thank you very much. You're in the Bravo realm. Why haven't they given you a show yet? You've been on Watch what happens live like 30,000 times.

[Heather McMahon]

But I'm good at commentating and taking a step back. I would never do reality. Do you know how many times my family's been approached to do reality? I just have this. No, but here's the thing. Thing. I could do fake reality. I could do like a series. But I don't. I don't want people up in my. Like that, you know?

[Grace]

Yeah, that's true. And they don't have like, they Tell you. You have say. Yeah, but they don't.

[Heather McMahon]

You don't really. You know, and also the whole lifestyle of, like, let's flaunt. Like, I. When I watch the Housewives, I want the rich. I want to see opulent wealth. I don't want to see a struggle,

[Grace]

you know, Or I like. I like the. The new one. Well, I hate her. The. The new girl that they have on Beverly Hills where Amanda, she's fake wealthy and, like, has to tell everyone about it. That's so fun to watch.

[Heather McMahon]

So fun to watch. And also like, her. Oh, my God, her female coaching mlm. It's kind of like a pyramid scheme. But anybody also who is dumb enough to buy into a manifestation program, that's on you.

[Grace]

That's on you, dude.

[Heather McMahon]

Right?

[Grace]

Yeah, 100%.

[Heather McMahon]

Good for her. More power do her.

[Grace]

Yeah, I'll say so. She's a nasty bitch, though. I'm so. I'm locked in on them. What is. What's your favorite?

[Heather McMahon]

Well, I really do love Beverly Hills. I'm old, old, old school New York. Like, scary island epis. Like, I miss the Sonyas, the Luanns, the Bethany. I missed that. Like the old days of Kelly Bensimone, Alex McCord. I mean, this latest season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills really kind of fucked me up. It was so much back with Kyle and Dorit, but I'm into all of it.

[Grace]

I think they were trying to save the show.

[Heather McMahon]

I do too. Yeah, there's not much going on.

[Grace]

It seemed very forced.

[Heather McMahon]

It did seem forced. But then you have Kathy Hilton in the corner just sitting by her box fan drinking Red Bulls. You know, it doesn't get better than that.

[Grace]

She got bamboozled by AI and she's doing a jello diet.

[Heather McMahon]

That's fucking hilarious. The jello diet was the funniest sh. Like, I saw Oprah doing it and I know I probably got sent the same video and did, like, extra research on it. I love Kathy Hilton. I would die. Well, I met her at the unwell conference, but I would absolutely die. To just really hang out with her for an afternoon like that is just old money where she is established in

[Grace]

her wealth and just in LA la la.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I don't love the OC anymore because I feel like, yes, we're seeing true people's lives, but, you know, it's like you had Heather Dubrow money and then all the other women are living in town homes. Like, I just want. The whole reason you indulge in this show is because it's so opulent.

[Grace]

And they're not even housewives no more.

[Heather McMahon]

No. No one is married.

[Grace]

No one's.

[Heather McMahon]

No one's married.

[Grace]

It should be the single lives of rich women who got a lot of money in a divorce. It's a long name, but.

[Heather McMahon]

But I. But it works. I fully agree. What's your favorite Bravo show?

[Grace]

I'd probably go with Old New York or Beverly Hills. That's. Those are my. My favorite. Salt Lake City's really good, though.

[Heather McMahon]

I love Salt Lake City.

[Grace]

Salt Lake City. They're out of their goddamn minds.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, they're out of their minds. And I. It's so. They're all insane. I'm obsessed with Heather Gay. I love Mary. I'm so sad about her son. Like, there's a lot. I'm like, personally invest.

[Grace]

Do you. Do you know any of them personally?

[Heather McMahon]

So I met Heather and a lot of people will. I was at a restaurant one time in Denver. I had a show that night, and a couple people recognized me in the bar or whatever. And so I'm walking out and I guess somebody overheard, there's Heather. And she immediately thought, oh, from Salt Lake City. So this woman walks out and she's standing behind me, and she's like, heather. And I turn around, she's like, you're not Heather Gay from Salt Lake City.

[Grace]

I walk back in, oh, my God.

[Heather McMahon]

I DM'd Heather gay. And I was like, wow, you had an angry fan. She was pissed I wasn't you. That is like a little.

[Grace]

A little sneak peek of why you should. Shouldn't do reality.

[Heather McMahon]

Exactly.

[Grace]

These people are nuts.

[Heather McMahon]

And they're not.

[Grace]

These Bravo fans are out of control.

[Heather McMahon]

They're out of control.

[Grace]

They'll figure anything out.

[Heather McMahon]

They really will figure things out. I mean, more power to them. But yeah, I. I love them all. But no, I'm not. I'm not actively trying to hang out with. With the Housewives.

[Grace]

Yeah, but.

[Heather McMahon]

And I'm old school Atlanta. Like Nene and Kim to me and Candy and Phaedra and she by Charay. That is iconic television.

[Grace]

Yeah, those. That was really fun. Another. Another kids are doing it.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Was just wild.

[Heather McMahon]

Which is so wild.

[Grace]

Passing the torch. How did. So how did you get involved with the Bravo guys?

[Heather McMahon]

How do I get involved with the Brav? I don't know.

[Grace]

I think my public crushed it the first time.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. I think my publicist caught. Made a call and I was like, promoting my first special. And so they brought me on because they knew I was such a fan. And then Andy's been really sweet to me and. But like when you go and watch what happens live, at least from like a comic standpoint, I'm always there with another housewife or obviously somebody from the Bravo universe. And you really have to come in with a strong opinion.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Like Andy wants you to give an opinion. Yeah. Eats it up. And I've been in situations where I'm like sitting next to the person and obviously I'm like, I want them to, to feel comfortable, but I'm also like, you're a on this. Yeah, I know.

[Grace]

It's such a tricky in between because

[Heather McMahon]

you want to make daddy happy. You want to make daddy happy next

[Grace]

to this person that you barely know.

[Heather McMahon]

You don't want to fight with your sister.

[Grace]

You know exactly what it is. And then thank God there's a bartender.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, thank God there's a bartender. And that show, when you shoot it, it truly flies by. It's like 30 seconds the next thing you know and he peppers you with questions. Like you can prepare stuff but like you have a guide of what you think they're going to talk about. But then you just get pummeled with questions. So you really have to like be sharp and on your A game for that.

[Grace]

Yeah, that's the, that's the crazy thing. And it's because it's literally live and it's, it's only 30 minutes. And when you, when you podcast is that goes really by quick. Quickly.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I think.

[Heather McMahon]

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Last week you didn't even know her name.

[Grace]

Sometimes people sneak up on you friendship.

[Heather McMahon]

This is the most absolutely unhinged planet

[Grace]

and I'm obsessed with it.

[Heather McMahon]

And self discovery on and off the ice.

[Grace]

It's scary telling the world something I'm

[Heather McMahon]

not ready for it to know.

Oh, and it's pretty steamy.

[Grace]

This is the part where I tell you all the things I want to do to you off campus.

[Heather McMahon]

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[Grace]

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[Heather McMahon]

Oh yeah.

[Grace]

How was that?

[Heather McMahon]

Today's show is terrifying and so fun and thrilling. But it's also like you have to completely rewire your brain.

[Grace]

Right.

[Heather McMahon]

Cause it's morning television. You have to come in with a different energy. Also, it's not about me. I'm like, I come in and when you're sitting at the desk, you're doing like a quick little like update. You know, you have your monologue up top kind of situation, but then you're interviewing other people. So you have to make sure that you like have it together.

[Grace]

You have your.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I mean that moves super quick as well. And anytime I've done it with Hoda or Jenna or Chanel, everyone is such a pro that they really hold your hand and kind of guide you. I mean, I didn't even know how to read a teleprompter. And then I'm next, you know, I'm like co hosting a today show and I'm looking like 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Like I've got a producer in my ear being like, look at the tv, you know.

[Grace]

Oh, I thought you were a fantastic job.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, you're so sweet.

[Grace]

Did you want that for long term?

[Heather McMahon]

Because I mean I would have totally taken the job if they would have given it to me. But I think I, I mean, I had a feeling that they would keep it in house as they should. Like Chanel's absolutely incredible. But also that is such a, that is a really like year round tough gig.

[Grace]

Ye.

[Heather McMahon]

You know, the hours are crazy, you're doing tons of research. You're also going out in the field and shooting field segments.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

So would I have been able to do that and also tour the way I do? I don't know. You know, but I've, I mean, Jenna is so much fun. So if they would offer me that job, I absolutely would have wanted to take it.

[Grace]

I thought, I thought that would have

[Heather McMahon]

been a great match. Yeah, I really thought that was awesome. But I, but no, they needed somebody like, she's so fun. I think every episode, if Us together would have been just absolute chaos because we were just like giggling like two sortie sisters.

[Grace]

Well, that's what. That's what, Holden. Kathy.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I do.

[Grace]

You know, they were drunk as a skunk.

[Heather McMahon]

I was just with Hoda in New York and I was doing a show with her and I was just grilling her about Kathy, and she was like, you have no idea. She only had the most wonderful, positive things to say about Kathie Lee. But, I mean, the cat. Old videos of Kathie Lee truly are like my go to. It's my comfort show, dude. It's so good. It's so good.

[Grace]

It was like she would say whatever was on her mind. Oh, just showing her, like a country song. She's like, jesus Christ.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, my favorite thing is when she would sing her own song. Everyone has a story. She had a song and then it would.

[Grace]

Some.

[Heather McMahon]

It would like tea. She would sing this song solo with the microphone and it would tee up whatever this segment was. They'd bring in like a. A military vet who, like, lost a leg and he's surprising his family is back from the war and she's just standing there going, everyone has a story. I think they're like, wheeling the guy in and Hoda's just like, what are we doing? I mean, it was iconic. It was iconic. So you gotta quit paying.

[Grace]

Yes, I know, hon, I know.

[Heather McMahon]

We gotta talk about this. I've never called anyone hun in my life. But that was. You can call me hun. That was real.

[Grace]

That felt. That felt honest.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, that was. That was. That was a deep cough. And listen, I love a cigarette. I love a vape, too. But I'm worried about these. I'm worried about the girls vaping.

[Grace]

Yeah, I'm just. I'm trying to get like. You got like one of the sexy raspoids.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Well, this is. How was that? This is from acid reflux, you know,

[Grace]

or years at Ole Miss.

[Heather McMahon]

A. Years at Ole Miss.

[Grace]

You know, I wasn't treated all that well at Ole Miss.

[Heather McMahon]

No. What happened?

[Grace]

I was dressed up in a blow up red costume and I painted my face red. And that's not what a lady should do is what it felt like.

[Heather McMahon]

Okay, and what. What was the. Give me. Set the scene.

[Grace]

I'm at the. I'm at the tail. Tailgates for the game. And then we go into the game and they're just like, where is your.

[Heather McMahon]

Where's your string of pearls now?

[Grace]

Ole Miss. They were clutching them.

[Heather McMahon]

They were clutching.

[Grace]

They were clutching.

[Heather McMahon]

They were clutching them. And they're assholes. Yeah. No, Ole Miss. You gotta come correct.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Cause where did you go to school?

[Grace]

Kinda didn't.

[Heather McMahon]

Kind of. Didn't.

[Grace]

Kind of didn't. Just. I was like a little white trash. I did a community college one year to four year, whatever.

[Heather McMahon]

I like that. There's no judgment there.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I will say, being even going to Ole Miss was culture shock for me.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And even being from Atlanta and then I went there and when I tell you, I leaned in like I would have the perfect seersucker dress with the pearls. I loved it. And my husband who went to Penn State, he's like, oh, we gotta go up to Happy Valley and like go to State College for a game.

[Grace]

It is a blast.

[Heather McMahon]

It is a blast. Which, it looks fun.

[Grace]

I like it there.

[Heather McMahon]

But I said, I'm like, what do I wear to this football game?

[Grace]

Wear your best, you know, white shirt. If it's a white out game, you know you're gonna have a blast. You're fine.

[Heather McMahon]

You don't have to wear white shoes in the wall, toga, do whatever. Wear a jersey. I go, I don't wear a jersey to a game, honey. What do you think I am? I'm not an athlete. I'm in the owner's box.

[Grace]

I'm a Southern Bell, baby. Bells and whistles.

[Heather McMahon]

So it just, it is a little bit of a culture shock when I see other people who just go to sporting events wearing sporting gear. That's just not something we do.

[Grace]

So are you still locked in on the games?

[Heather McMahon]

I'm so locked in on the games. And I feel bad. Like when I was in college at Ole Miss, we were not the best team. And like our. A famous thing at Ole Miss is we may not win every game, but now we. But we never lost a party and now we're really good. So I am deeply locked in on the games.

[Grace]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm like DMing the players, sending them like Bible verses like you two. We too shall overcome. You know, you get the wrong idea now. I got.

[Grace]

Yep, it's contagious. You smoke a poly before you came in here?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I was. I sure was. What was your cigarette of choice or

[Grace]

what is so currently, I. I never did cigarettes.

[Heather McMahon]

Okay.

[Grace]

So I went right to. Yeah, I went to digital. Yeah. You went.

[Heather McMahon]

No, analog. You never had analogs.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Can I tell you, this is such a. The difference between generations. So my buddy Ray and I were at the Surf Lodge in Montauk, and we're out there and we're having A weekend. And we already felt old being there and Ray and not there. Yeah, no, we did that weekend. Yeah. And we go to smoke a cigarette and some girl, and Ray pulls out a pack of matches and this girl goes, how are you gonna light that?

[Grace]

Oh, my God.

[Heather McMahon]

And I said, I'm so sorry. What? And Ray looks at her, he goes, what do you mean, how am I gonna light it? With fire? And she was like, I've just never seen somebody light a cigarette before. And we said. I said, it's time to go.

[Grace]

Yeah, that's.

[Heather McMahon]

Get it to go by the chicken tenders. We gotta wrap it up.

[Grace]

Put that tower in a bag.

[Heather McMahon]

Let's get outta here. Let's get outta here.

[Grace]

That's insane.

[Heather McMahon]

They just had never. They were all vaping. And I'm like, you don't plug it into the wall. This is actually how we make fire. And this is why I'm worried about this generation.

[Grace]

Yeah, that's a fucking. That's very concerning, even for me when I'm a part of it. I'm a cusper or whatever. I guess we're deciding that.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

What year are you for now? 98.

[Heather McMahon]

98.

[Grace]

I'm somewhere in the middle.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Okay, great.

[Grace]

But, yeah, I think people think that matchbooks is something you get at a fancy restaurant and you keep it in your little purse and show people you do.

[Heather McMahon]

And you leave them in nice bowl in your bathroom. Blow up the bathroom. But yeah, I mean, that is where you get them. But you can definitely use them to actually start a fire.

[Grace]

Yeah, it's really crazy. I actually, I. I was keeping a pack of matches in my bag the other day and I. I kind of got the same concern. Because I'll keep. I'll keep Vogues in my bag just in case, you know, there's. It's actually this. I'm telling all myself, just in case. There's like a comic I think is cool. And they smoke and I'll just have them if they want them.

[Heather McMahon]

First of all, that's not a dumb idea. I think that's called the Hustle and work in the room.

[Grace]

But I can't smoke. But you can't smoke. Yeah, yeah. I'm like. I'm like, what's your face in Greece? I got ill. I want cigarettes.

[Heather McMahon]

No, I'm gonna do it. I'm. Sit down and have a real cigarette. But we had a rule in our sorority. You could smoke, but you had to sit down and cross your legs.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

So we had standards. And then if you got. You couldn't what was it? You could dance on a table, but you couldn't have a drink in your hand. You could dance on a table, but if you had a drink in your hand while you were dancing on a table, then it was lewd. But if you drink, just dance like a hooker. You could do that, but just don't be, like, gripping the butt heavy.

[Grace]

Got it. Okay. Also, the. The new age part is that you can't post any pictures in the sorority with alcohol.

[Heather McMahon]

Really?

[Grace]

That's what I've heard.

[Heather McMahon]

Wow.

[Grace]

At, like, I do a show, and the girls come to the show, and if they're in college, they're like, oh,

[Heather McMahon]

do you mind if.

[Grace]

Do you mind just putting the drink down?

[Heather McMahon]

I'm like, oh, you can't even have the drink in your hand.

[Grace]

I go, me, myself, and I. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, of course, ladies. But, yeah, you gotta grow a pair.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

What.

[Heather McMahon]

What a fuck.

[Grace]

Put a sticker on it. Like high school kids.

[Heather McMahon]

I am so lucky that there was no social media. We just had Facebook. I don't mean to age myself, but I went to College in 2005. We were like, the first year. We were the first gener. Or the first.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Year to ever have Facebook.

[Grace]

Facebook.

[Heather McMahon]

And the thought of having to keep up with, like, the Snapchat of it all. Like, when I go to the college bars now, the way that the kids. And again, I hate to call my kids. They all take every photo from an angle. It's up here. And I'm like, please just do not get my chin. I'll take it from an angle. I'm like, how can you even see what. What the photo is? And it's only on Snapchat.

[Grace]

Only on. Only on Snapchat. Yeah, that's. That's something I don't get either. I missed that part.

[Heather McMahon]

I missed that part.

[Grace]

They're like, oh, no, get it on Snapchat. It's better. Better camera. Yeah. What?

[Heather McMahon]

What?

[Grace]

What do you mean? That's the worst camera. And also, they're like. Sometimes they put in a filter on. I'm like, is this blackface?

[Heather McMahon]

What are we doing? Yeah. And I don't. I don't. Like, when I'm at a show and I'll take a photo, and then people will facetune themselves, and then they. My face will be distorted. Like, they've made their face thinner. So now my eye is warped. I'm like, if you're gonna do it, lean in and do all of us.

[Grace]

I had a girl do recently, and I was like, thank you so much.

[Heather McMahon]

Thank you.

[Grace]

I've never looked better. Yeah, and you posted it, so it's not my problem about facetune, period. Everyone just thinks that's what I look like because they don't know you. But they'll know if I do.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, they'll know for sure. I think I got called out once. Like, I made my teeth way too white. And after that I was like, never again. Yeah, my fingers are too fat to do this, to do the editing on my phone. I know. Because then it's.

[Grace]

It's your lip. It goes all the way in.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. It's a slippery slope. It's a slippery, though.

[Grace]

Ah.

[Heather McMahon]

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[Grace]

So you.

[Heather McMahon]

You kind of bounced around for college and then you immediately, like, got into the podcasting sphere or like.

[Grace]

Yeah, kind of. Sort of. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

So my. My friend Brie, she got the job at Barstool but had to move to New York. And so she was like, do you want to move to New York? You're taking a semester off? Because it was Covid. And I was like, yeah, I'm not doing anything. It. And I was like, I'll go back to school at some point. Yeah. But, yeah, everything kind of works out. It's crazy.

[Heather McMahon]

You were in college in Covid?

[Grace]

Yeah, it was my. I was going to go into my senior year. Wow. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

So one thing about the bar too, in. In Oxford, we have like this incredible bar at Ole Miss called the Library. We would go to the bar. The Library is the best. We would go there like 7pm, get a wristband, go have dinner and come back at like nine. And then we'd Be there all night.

[Grace]

I love the name.

[Heather McMahon]

It's the best.

[Grace]

Because you tell your mom, I'm at the library.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm at the library. And then they see the credit card charges, and they're like, you never return your books. You're.

[Grace]

Yeah, I know. They keep charging me.

[Heather McMahon]

They said all the COVID kids, though, in college, you know, because you had to kind of hide your parties, they would have house parties. So the kids now only go to the bar for the last hour. Like we were bar flies. We were at the bar all night. And then you do the afters at the.

[Grace]

At the house party reverse.

[Heather McMahon]

Now they just go to the bar for, like, the last 30 minutes. I'm like, that seems insane.

[Grace]

I guess you're saving money.

[Heather McMahon]

I guess.

[Grace]

I guess. I don't know. Yeah, but the chinks are so cheap there anyway.

[Heather McMahon]

They're so cheap.

[Grace]

They're like a fucking quarter night.

[Heather McMahon]

Yes. We have penny pitcher nights. Yeah, that's a penny p. Granny pitcher. They never cleaned out the pictures. And everybody got mono because they would. But that was a different bar. But also everybody. I don't know about you, but everybody my year in our dorm either got bit by a brown recluse or got mono. Yeah.

[Grace]

So we didn't have those. Yeah, we did.

[Heather McMahon]

We had a girl. It was like clockwork. Every three weeks, they'd be like, well, Annabelle, you know, she got bit by the spider. Ronnie, we can't find him, but he's somewhere. He's loose somewhere. And I'm like, how have we not exterminated this dorm and figured out where the fuck Ronnie the spider is?

[Grace]

Did you ever get hit on somebody?

[Heather McMahon]

I didn't get bit, but I had a lot of. I mean, I think I almost went septic once. I had, like, strep throat. Could just consistently epc, Barr virus, all of it.

[Grace]

Jesus Christ.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Grace]

It sounds like you fucking did college right, though.

[Heather McMahon]

I did college, right?

[Grace]

Yeah. And now you're, like, immune.

[Heather McMahon]

And now I'm immune. Unless there's a cyst involved. Unless there's a cyst. That's my body just rejecting itself at being, you know, a little heavy at 39 and not having pushed out a kid yet.

[Grace]

That's not what it is.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't know.

[Grace]

That's not what it is. I am going to be the oldest person to never have a kid in my family, though.

[Heather McMahon]

You think already. Well, you're only. You're not.

[Grace]

I'm already there. I'm 27. My mom, my. Everyone in my family's Had.

[Heather McMahon]

Had kids by now, by 27.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, that's insane.

[Grace]

Yeah. It's just crazy. I know. It's really nuts.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, your face. You, like, got oil.

[Grace]

It's really crazy.

[Heather McMahon]

And I'm turning 40 next year, and I'm like, well, I guess I got to do it. You got to do it?

[Grace]

Did you. But you want to.

[Heather McMahon]

I do. I think I. I really want to be a mom. But it's also been kind of crazy because you have to be selfish right now in your career. And I was a late or bloomer, like mid. Early 30s and now. And I've just been cranking it out the last couple years.

[Grace]

I mean, you absolutely. 100% crushing career first. Like, that's the way to do it.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Like build yourself and then build a thing.

[Heather McMahon]

And then build a thing.

[Grace]

Build one of those things. Build one of those things to raise and love forever.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, Forever. And just bring it now.

[Grace]

Yeah. I'm not ready.

[Heather McMahon]

No. And you should take your time. But I'm also like, okay, I know I gotta do another round of IVF this summer to get more embryos, no matter what that is. And I'm just like, God, I know it's so bad, but I'm just think, like, with the cyst, and I'm just thinking I don't. I don't have the energy.

[Grace]

I'm so.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm tired, Grace. Well, couldn't.

[Grace]

Yeah, no, I get that. But here's the thing.

[Heather McMahon]

Here it comes.

[Grace]

God bless you. Thank you. So they. You could. What about this?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Hit me.

[Grace]

You. You kind of ruin your big trip. Uhhuh. Because you're going to. You're going to have a Euro summer. That's what you do.

[Heather McMahon]

That's what I do.

[Grace]

That's what you do.

[Heather McMahon]

That's what I do.

[Grace]

I. I look up to that. That's amazing. A Euro summer. And you smoke when you go there.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah, that. That's where I. That's where I smoke.

[Grace]

Yeah. I like the skinny ones.

[Heather McMahon]

I like the skinny. The capris, that's. That's where I thrive. But then that's probably what will happen. I'll end up on my Euro summer, and here I've had, like, dusty eggs, and then I just get ripped on aperol spritzes and have like, 10 capris. And then I naturally conceive.

[Grace]

Well, and then also, you could do the IVF while you're there, maybe.

[Heather McMahon]

You cannot. No, you cannot.

[Grace]

You can't do that. Well, do they have free health care, though? Huh? Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. I think they do bring the.

[Grace]

Bring the whatever you need in like a tube and like, bring it on the floor.

[Heather McMahon]

I would love to just. But how do I get the baby in the tube afterwards?

[Grace]

Turkey based.

[Heather McMahon]

Turkey.

[Grace]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

So there's a lot of decisions to be made, Grace. And you ride. You ride the ride and do your thing right now because you're on the right trajectory and just experiment with your art and your comedy and just let it ride because just know that, like, whatever you're doing now and if it feels good, you're doing the right thing.

[Grace]

Oh, that's like, that's huge to hear. That's cuz. Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

You know, I love watching your clips. Your crowd works fantastic. You're so funny. Just like, keep going.

[Grace]

I said the cliff thing is hard because I don't want to. You know this. The whole. You don't want to post material and then I don't like any of the clips that I have and it's like, I don't know. I just don't know where the parts that I do like are. But I hate watching myself. So it's like a whole run around.

[Heather McMahon]

So I fully get you. And also, I'm a theater kid, so, like, my shows are a performance.

[Grace]

Oh, my God. I'm.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm not. I'm not necessarily the best clippable comedian because I have long stories that have a full arc through the show, which plenty of people do.

[Grace]

Why you should support live comedy, you

[Heather McMahon]

should go to live comedy. And it is a little. In this clippable day and age, it's a little annoying. And I started in Instagram, like, that was my thing, but I did sketches and characters and then I would do Instagram stories and write my punchlines through there. So it is a little tough in this clippable world, like, to keep up. It's exhausting.

[Grace]

I know. It really is. And then they don't reward you. I'm having a whole thing right now. It's like, it's fudgeing.

[Heather McMahon]

I have like. Like, I got a DM from a very famous person. The other day was like, I can't see your shit anymore. You need to call someone because I can't see you. I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. Thanks for the heads up. They're like, your stuff is invisible.

[Grace]

Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know what the fuck I do about that.

[Heather McMahon]

But what is going on right now with your TW tour? Where are you at? Like, what. What timeline?

[Grace]

So we are wrapping up for What? All the dates that we currently have books for right now.

[Heather McMahon]

Okay, great.

[Grace]

That stresses me the out. So I want to get some more on there as fast as possible. I'm just, like, somewhere in between right now.

[Heather McMahon]

But here's the thing, Itchy. That's okay. Because listen, everybody across the board, it doesn't matter. Like, I've sold out Radio City, and then I've had.

[Grace]

Which is so sick, by the way.

[Heather McMahon]

But I've had gigs that, like, you know, in random cities where I'm like, I'm selling at 50%. It's across the board. People are living wild times. You go and you work out your material and it's okay. Like, I've always also played Burlington, Vermont, where I'm like, this isn't my demographic. This isn't my audience. But if Bernie Sanders in the audience. Oh, let me tell you. Let me tell you what. Oh, I had a great time in Vermont. I was like, thank you to the seven people that showed up. But I'm having a blast. I have had one.

[Grace]

Must have been a throuple. It was a thruffle.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't know what's going on, but maybe it's because I got a fancy watch and I've been wearing a lot of crop jackets. This is not my usual look. I am, like, a very glammy girly, so I don't. I don't feel comfortable.

[Grace]

You got a little chrome, though.

[Heather McMahon]

I got a chrome on the. The Nike. I have had. I don't know if I'm stepping into, like, a lesbian energy. I have had so many gals slide my DMs recently that are just like, if your husband chokes, call. And I was talking to a couple gals last night. I was talking to Fortune and another girl, Rachel, and I was like, okay, if I was in the lesbian world, like, you know, what would. What would my. What's my vibe? And they were like, you're a femme top.

[Grace]

Femme top.

[Heather McMahon]

Femme top. Okay, so I learned about a femtop.

[Grace]

So a femme top is someone that's going down.

[Heather McMahon]

Do a femme top. I believe. Can we do a quick Google? I believe a femtop is the one who's on. Yeah, yeah. Pornhub. Femtop.

[Grace]

I just want to get a visual. I'm a visual learner.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

You're saying a person who presents as feminine and androgynous looks like a bottom or submissive, but plays as a dominant sexual top role. Oh, so, yeah, it does do the eating out. Okay. That was the concern. Okay. Wow.

[Heather McMahon]

So I'm a little bit lazy. I might.

[Grace]

You've got the munch vibe.

[Heather McMahon]

I got the munch. Tried, apparently.

[Grace]

Does the work.

[Heather McMahon]

Does the work.

[Grace]

All right.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, God, that's exhausting. I don't want to do the work.

[Grace]

I did. I. I'm. I'm like, I'm so halfway in on. On getting there at one. At one point, I think, like, every time I. After I have a show, lesbians, like, when are you going to do it?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I'm like, I don't know. I'm one of these days. I'm sure.

[Heather McMahon]

Here's the thing. I think if you had a. Like, it just takes that one relationship with a woman where you're like, oh, my God. I have somebody who, like, respects me, listens to me and actually supports me. Like, thinks things outside of themselves. You're like, I get it.

[Grace]

Like, I got it.

[Heather McMahon]

But then if I also had to deal with a crying woman and I'm a girl' I would be like, crazy. Crazy.

[Grace]

I'm just like, oh, my God. You're just like, me. This is crazy.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, we can't.

[Grace]

I just did a big dumb or something. A big dumb guy. I'm going to try my big dumb guy. I. I keep saying I've never had a boyfriend, but I. My. My big thing is I think my first boyfriend's going to hit me because, you know, I got to speed things up. I got to go through the trauma. I feel like I've lacked so many years, you know, and so I think the first guy's gonna hit me, then I'm gonna go gay for a second, and then we're gonna find the right guy on the third.

[Heather McMahon]

Okay, well, I think we should start learning some self defense. Cause I just feel like I put

[Grace]

up a fight, dude. I'm going to instigate it. He's going to throw it. I'm going to knock him.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't see you getting hit. I see you dating a guy who's like, you're going to be with the short king. Just hear me out. Because I know you're attracted to Tal, but you're going to get a short king. He's going to worship the ground you walk on, and he's going to literally. I mean, he won't even have to, like, lay down to, like, eat you out. He's just standing there, and you're not going to know what to do with it. You're going to push him away. You're going have a little Keebler elf as a boyfriend. He's going be a dream and a doll, and everybody around you is going to be obsessed with him. And then you're going to hate it because it's not a challenge for you. And you're going to push him away. You're going to never speak to him for, like, you're going to break his heart. It's going to be a whole thing. You dump him, won't talk to him for five years, then you'll go for a lesbian for a while. Then she's the one who's going to hit you.

[Grace]

Yeah, she's going to hit me.

[Heather McMahon]

She's going to. The girl's going to hit you.

[Grace]

I did.

[Heather McMahon]

Because you already fight with your sister. And then that's going to be the domestic violence. And then you go back to the short king, and you're like, I should have just gone with the man who worshiped the ground I walked on.

[Grace]

I really think you nailed it. Written in the stars.

[Heather McMahon]

Because, honestly, I, you know, I. I'll like. You should do readings. I should do readings.

[Grace]

Yeah. I pictured that whole scenario like, I saw him.

[Heather McMahon]

You saw him?

[Grace]

I saw him. I saw her. I saw the punch coming into my eye.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. And I've got to say something a little crazy because I know you're very Irish, and I hope the family isn't too racist. I feel like he might be Latino.

[Grace]

Yeah. No, I've been thinking that these days. I actually said that out loud.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Remember, I said that. And you go, what the fuck? I go, I don't know. I just feel it.

[Heather McMahon]

I think you need, like, a more petite Guatemalan man who's gonna be fucking hot like a jockey.

[Grace]

You watch too much horse racing,

[Heather McMahon]

Grace. How fucking funny would it be if the love of your life was a jockey?

[Grace]

And I could swing him around, you

[Heather McMahon]

could swing him around, and then the next thing, you. You're playing the role of the. You know, the woman who just. The first Kentucky Derby winner.

[Grace]

I'm so proud of him.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. And then you play her in the biopic. Oh, my God. And that's it. Whoever the guy plays, whoever plays the jockey for that horse, that's who your husband is.

[Grace]

That's so good.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

[Grace]

Oh, that's going to be great. I can't wait.

[Heather McMahon]

I can't wait. I'm so excited for you.

[Grace]

You do have to worry about the family, though.

[Heather McMahon]

You do have to worry about the family. Listen, everybody has to worry about their families at some point. If you don't have an aunt or an uncle who you are deathly afraid to bring anybody else around. But everybody gets it, every ethnicity. It's not just. Just like raise his wife. Everybody's got shit. And as skeletons in their closet where you're like, if you bring Uncle Danny around like they're calling the cops, just.

[Grace]

I got a fair warn you. Uncle Danny's coming. There's something.

[Heather McMahon]

He's a little.

[Grace]

He's got a loose screw until. But we just let him talk because he doesn't see people much.

[Heather McMahon]

We don't know how they still allow him to vote, but he actively votes.

[Grace]

He works for the government.

[Heather McMahon]

He's actually an IRS agent. Yeah.

[Grace]

I don't know. He's different. Yeah, no, everybody's got that family member.

[Heather McMahon]

Everybody's got that family and you know, the boomers, we. I give. I have a lot of jokes. My new hour about the boomers, but I'm like, we're doing the best we can with them, but they have to meet us halfway. Like, this is crazy.

[Grace]

Did you invest in retirement homes? That's what people are saying you should do.

[Heather McMahon]

I have heard that.

[Grace]

There's a lot coming.

[Heather McMahon]

There's a lot coming. You know what I'm trying to invest in is get like a plumbing company, H vac, you know, I don't know

[Grace]

about what your algorithm personally going to.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I think so.

[Grace]

You're going to learn the ropes, the pipes.

[Heather McMahon]

Can I be honest with you?

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I think I would be great at something like that.

[Grace]

Yeah. My dad could fucking help you out.

[Heather McMahon]

Is he a plumber?

[Grace]

Yeah, he was retired.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. They make great money.

[Grace]

Yeah, they did.

[Heather McMahon]

Is there a union for plumbers? Probably in Boston.

[Grace]

I think there. I think there was. My dad was in. He actually ended up pivoting to a high voltage electrician. Turn the lights on in the city. He got zapped. No longer has a job. But no, I mean mentally.

[Heather McMahon]

I bring it up every episode. Everybody's parents got zapped by.

[Grace]

He was in a union. Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Local 369.

[Heather McMahon]

No, let me tell you what. Playing the show in Boston, there is nothing better than walking into the theater and it's all the Ayatsi guys and they're all like 75. They're like, you're back again.

[Grace]

I like this brush. He should do Vegas.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like. I was doing Vegas. I was doing a show in Red Bank, New Jersey. And these guys are like, you are hilarious. Have you ever thought about doing like a sitcom? And I'm like, yes, what a fucking wonderful idea, Paul. Yeah, yeah, Mikey. I'VE thought about doing sitcoms. You know, I tell you what, I just found out who you are, but I good time.

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[Grace]

You are the cruise master queen.

[Heather McMahon]

I am the cruise master queen.

[Grace]

My favorite fun fact about you ever of all time is that you ran out of white wine.

[Heather McMahon]

We ran out of white wine. Like, Norwegian cruise line has never had that happen in the history of sailing. And we ran out of white wine.

[Grace]

That is like my favorite fucking thing ever because I'm picking how fucking wasted these awesome ladies are.

[Heather McMahon]

You know what's interesting? We'd never had incidents of, like, people really being unhinged. It was just like a slow burn. It was like everybody was like, I'm getting away from my families. This is a treat for myself. It was a really functional. They were all functional alcoholics.

[Grace]

Yeah, no, yeah, that's what it is. They can take two bottles a time, so you gotta factor in they're on vacation. That's four.

[Heather McMahon]

That's four exactly. You know, and there's something about when you get out in that open air and you don't really see land and you just feel that cool breeze, you know, Aruba, Jamaica. Come on, baby. You know I want to take it.

[Grace]

You're running it back, right? I'm running it back.

[Heather McMahon]

We're doing another one. We're still figuring out all the activations and the people we're gonna have on the ship, but it's gonna be really fun. We're doing another one? Hell yeah. It's not a great time to try and sell a cruise because of all the things that are happening with the cruising. But we had a year away. We're a year away.

[Grace]

No, like flesh eating disease going on. I know everything.

[Heather McMahon]

But I grew up cruising, so I was a cruising kid. We went on ed every cruise. Yeah. What were your growing up vacations like?

[Grace]

I hate to say it with a nasty face, but it was Disney like every three years until my dad got back down.

[Heather McMahon]

That's okay. And don't be ashamed of that. I give a lot of Disney adults in my life a lot of shit because I was never a Disney kid in the sense where when I would come home from school, I'm like the 80 year old woman from Boston. I want to watch Ricki Lake, Sally Jesse Raphael, Rosie o'. Donnell. I want the tea. So I didn't grow up thinking it's a small world after all. I'm like, it's a small world, but guess what?

[Grace]

But what's gonna be next?

[Heather McMahon]

But what's happening in the bunker underground? So you GRE as a Disney fan,

[Grace]

you're an intellectual and I was a la LA kid.

[Heather McMahon]

But you have street smarts, so I'm surprised that you were a Disney kid.

[Grace]

So very quickly I learned this is not for me. And so it kind of broke my mother's heart. So the last trip we took, she was like, yeah, next time it's just gonna be me and the youngest.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Cause this is fucked up. You guys are fucking ruining this for me.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Cause that's a special place.

[Heather McMahon]

Now, would your dad go on the trip?

[Grace]

He would. And it used to be a blast. But the last one, he sulked around. Yeah, he sulked around a little bit. Solo before. Oh yeah, they went. Parents went by themselves before, which I think is gross.

[Heather McMahon]

That's odd. If you're doing sex in. In the. In the parks, it's. That's odd.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Do you think your parents still do sex?

[Grace]

No, they've only had sex four times.

[Heather McMahon]

There's four girls, but for real?

[Grace]

I think so. I don't know.

[Heather McMahon]

Are they affectionate?

[Grace]

They never slept in the same bed.

[Heather McMahon]

Really?

[Grace]

Ever. Never worn wedding rings, nothing. Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

So more of a domestic partnership?

[Grace]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But that's gay. You say that about my dad. That's gay. Wow. No, but they do. They vacation well together. That's what they say.

[Heather McMahon]

So they're buddies?

[Grace]

They're buddies.

[Heather McMahon]

And that's okay as long as you grow up in a healthy Environment, like. Yeah. It's not for everybody.

[Grace]

They remember it different than we do.

[Heather McMahon]

Listen, we're never we all. That is one thing that I'm learning. Like, you can do as much therapy as you want. You can try and tell your parents how they you up. But at the end of the day, I'm like, I have to let things go.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

They really. It's like.

[Grace]

It's like, what are we going to do?

[Heather McMahon]

What are we going to do?

[Grace]

It's. It happened. Let's just figure to out how, you know?

[Heather McMahon]

I think I saw something sappy on Instagram. I was like, you know, your mom was once a little girl, too.

[Grace]

I kind of like that one. Fucked me up.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm like. And I think about my mom, like, running around the streets of Boston, poor, just being like, I need a coat for winter. And I'm just like, that's why she's such a crazy bitch now.

[Grace]

Yeah. That's why she really loves the finer things. What a fun flip in her life.

[Heather McMahon]

I know, right?

[Grace]

She raised you right.

[Heather McMahon]

She raised me right.

[Grace]

She wanted a redo. You know what's funny?

[Heather McMahon]

I was meeting a comic that I haven't met ever before yesterday, and she was like, I'm so excited to meet you. I just wanted to see if you were as fancy as I thought you'd be in person.

[Grace]

Person.

[Heather McMahon]

And she goes, and you are. And I'm like, me? She's like, yes. I said, I know. I get really dolled up on stage and I'm like. But I. I'm not. I like. Nice. But I'm a high, low gal. I've been an accentista from the jump.

[Grace]

Yeah. It's all about balance.

[Heather McMahon]

It's all about balance.

[Grace]

You lose that balance you have, you are. You're an asshole. You're a loser.

[Heather McMahon]

Did I buy a nice house? Yes. Am I gonna try and furnish it the cheapest way possible? You bet your ass.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

That's what, you know.

[Grace]

Perfect.

[Heather McMahon]

Everything's from Home Goods. Do not sit on the couch. It can't hold you up.

[Grace]

We almost lost our house because my parents tried to furnish it with one credit card and they couldn't pay it. Really? Yeah. It was tough.

[Heather McMahon]

What was it, like a Pottery Barn credit card?

[Grace]

I have no idea.

[Heather McMahon]

I think so.

[Grace]

I think they went like balls to the wall. Cause it was like. It was their first nice house, and it called a shack. Oh, they were doing well. It was good.

[Heather McMahon]

It was good. And then it went south, and they

[Grace]

were like, we gotta buy outdoor furniture. And then we're gonna be on the streets. It's like, fucking. What are we doing here?

[Heather McMahon]

Listen, my dad was successful later on when I got to like middle school and high school.

[Grace]

Oh, that's fun.

[Heather McMahon]

But the early days, like, he was scrappy, he was an entrepreneur. Like we didn't have a lot, but like he built it up. But we were always like super comfortable. And then my dad did very well, so I feel I grew up very privileged. But man, I'll tell you what, I'll never forget being at the grocery store and I was like, mom, can we get Oreos? And my mom was like, we don't have a coupon for that. Put them back. And then the day that, and she went home and she was like, kyle, you gotta make more money. This kid's eating me out of house and home with the fucking Oreos. And I was a fudgy kid. Like, I was a really chubby kid. And I'll never forget, forget like I, I, that was the day my, my dad said he like lit a fire under his ass. He's like, I gotta give this kid Oreos.

[Grace]

Oh my God, that's awesome.

[Heather McMahon]

But, but bro, cookies. But remembering the financial hardships where you could hear overhear the conversations of your parents being like, we may lose the house.

[Grace]

Hyper aware. Yeah. And like they, they didn't, I think, like my mom was like, would tell me stuff and like, I didn't understand it, but I, I knew I was like, I had her. I'm like, I don't know what we're gonna do, but I got you on this. I could, I could be, I could be your wall. You need to talk too.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, and I always thought my parents were getting a divorce. Even if we would be driving steakhouse and if my dad even like so much as slightly raises voice, I'm like in the background of the Pisces. I'm the empath. I'm throwing myself against the window, being like, they're getting divorced. I'm like, just do it already. Yeah. They're like, we're arguing over what we're getting for dinner. Like, like, what are you talking about?

[Grace]

I still have. And what a privilege it was to have one. But I still, I have like a, like a trigger, like a feeling when I hear a garage door go up.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Grace]

I'm like, ah, fuck. Dad's home.

[Heather McMahon]

Dad's home.

[Grace]

Dance home. Things are different.

[Heather McMahon]

You get drink?

[Grace]

No, luckily. Yeah, no, we got lucky on that one. He didn't, he didn't drink. He just went on so he used to drink the way I do, which is like, bender up kind of. We'll drink 30, maybe 40 beers a night and damn. Yeah, I can put him down. So I can put him down.

[Heather McMahon]

But it doesn't do anything for me.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't. I. So I want. Hold on. You.

[Grace]

No, I'm with. I'm with you, cuz, like, I'll drink a bunch of beer and I kind of. I could keep a pretty steady buzz if I'm drinking cocktails. I. I don't know which way I'm going.

[Heather McMahon]

So nothing really changes my demeanor.

[Grace]

Wow.

[Heather McMahon]

I. I just get a little sleepy.

[Grace]

Hell yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Like, I. So I'm. I'm at this place and it's not a maturity place, but like my dad, I have the same genetic makeup as my father. Like, my dad quit drinking because he was like, it would take six vodka sodas for him to even feel anything. And he's like. And at that point, I'm just swollen and bloated the next day, and I'm kind of there. Like, I can have six fucking margaritas. I don't. I barely get a buzz. And then I get the buzz and I'm not even drinking that much. And then the next day I'm like, I want to put, shove, put my head under a city bus. I'm like, what is the point anymore?

[Grace]

And then once you finally play catch up with everybody, they're like, we're going home. Like, well, I just got there.

[Heather McMahon]

I just got there.

[Grace]

I just got there, dude.

[Heather McMahon]

But you. So you. You binge and, like, you'd have 30 or 40 beers.

[Grace]

Yeah, that's. And that's how my dad drinks. And, like, it was becoming, like, kind of a problem, so he decided he's only going to drink on special occasions, which he's done since we were kids, which is huge. But when he goes, he's gone for like three days. Like fourth of July.

[Heather McMahon]

He's out by himself.

[Grace]

Yeah. Wow. That's just, you know, it's just the way it is.

[Heather McMahon]

It's just the way it is.

[Grace]

Things will never be the same.

[Heather McMahon]

My mom had Covid. We all had Covid together. We were all sick as dogs. And my mom was still making sure she got that red wine every night. Yeah, she can have one glass and that's her thing, but she will have a red wine every single day at 4pm you better give her the red wine. Yeah, but I think I've seen her drunk, like, once in my life.

[Grace]

No, really? Oh. So she's just like, A one and done kind of guy.

[Heather McMahon]

She's a one and done. And I think I'm all or nothing a little bit too, like. But I've been drinking, and I'm like, I had two margaritas last night, and I just kind of had a headache all day today. And I'm like, what was this for? I don't even know anymore.

[Grace]

I know. Well, here's. Here's my thing. I was going to try to go till June. Didn't want to make it a big deal. Didn't want to tell anybody, because every time I tell someone, I'm like, oh, it looks like a relapse. But I went, like, 16 or 17 days. And then yesterday I drank because I didn't want to let anyone down.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I'm such a blast. You know, they always hear that I like to drink, and I like to have a fun time.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And this is the only time I'm going to see these people. So why not drink?

[Heather McMahon]

Why not drink? So what is your drink of choice?

[Grace]

Bud Light.

[Heather McMahon]

I love a Bud Light.

[Grace]

Bud Light.

[Heather McMahon]

See, I'm a Michelob Ultra girl.

[Grace]

I'll switch between the two in the same night, which is weird.

[Heather McMahon]

Same. I'm just like, I love. And I love a beer. I love a cider. I love it all. I love a dirty Martini. There's nothing that I don't like. What's really heartbreaking for me right now is I. If I didn't do comedy, I would probably in the wine, be in the wine business somehow. I like the cultivation of it.

[Grace]

I like the. Why not both?

[Heather McMahon]

Well, I mean, just, you know, you got, like, to own a vineyard or run. You got to, like, be in it.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I got to learn, like, agriculture and farming.

[Grace]

But put your mom and your husband on it.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Honestly, Truly. And I was so. I'm a huge wine nerd, and I love studying it. And if I have, like, one glass of red wine these days, knocks me on my ass the next day. Oh, I think I might be allergic.

[Grace]

Oh.

[Heather McMahon]

And I can drink white wine, but red wine, like, fucks me up. So I'm researching, watching right now, what to do. You know, it doesn't pair well when you go to Italy and you can't have red wine.

[Grace]

That's the first thing I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of you going to Italy.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm having a rough time right now.

[Grace]

I love it.

[Heather McMahon]

All right, so you grew up going to Disney World.

[Grace]

Yes.

[Heather McMahon]

And then.

[Grace]

I don't want that to be my story.

[Heather McMahon]

No, no, no.

[Grace]

That's okay.

[Heather McMahon]

We got dark. It went from Disney World to Dad's drinking to. We maxed out the credit cards. We almost lost the whole. That's how truly it is.

[Grace]

Boston.

[Heather McMahon]

Where are you now that you're making some coin and you're doing your thing? And I saw that you took your family to Hawaii, which I thought was the sweetest thing ever.

[Grace]

Just me ma. Yeah, that's all. That's all I could do for now. I felt so bad. I'm like. I'm like showing my sister. I'm like, dude, this is where we're going to be staying. It's going to be crazy. She's like, yeah, all right, cool. But where do you.

[Heather McMahon]

Where what is on your bucket list of places that you want to go when you have time off the road?

[Grace]

I am taking my parents to Dublin.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, amazing.

[Grace]

I mean, sorry. Ireland in general. We're actually skipping Dublin, but I'm going to Ireland for a week for their birthday as a Christian Christmas present. My dad didn't get to go to Hawaii because I didn't even think they're in. And. And then I was like, this year it'd be really up if I took my mom somewhere else again.

[Heather McMahon]

So the three of us. When are you going? I might meet you there.

[Grace]

Oh, really?

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. I haven't done Ireland yet. I've done Scotland, but I haven't done Ireland.

[Grace]

Oh, dude, it's gonna be awesome.

[Heather McMahon]

I found some really cool.

[Grace]

I'll send you a hotel. It's really cool. Please do. Yeah, dude, it's so.

[Heather McMahon]

By the Sherborne. Sherborne or what?

[Grace]

Yes.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, the Sherborne.

[Grace]

Yeah, it's like. It's a. It's like in a.

[Heather McMahon]

Like a castle or something, but I think so.

[Grace]

Yeah. Okay. And then there's another one in the woods. It's really cool. But, yeah, going June 20th week.

[Heather McMahon]

Amazing.

[Grace]

Yeah. Super stoked about that. Great. And so that's kind of all I spend my money on. Yeah, it's just like, experiences.

[Heather McMahon]

That's what we're all doing now. Food. Yeah, food. Experiences with the food.

[Grace]

Dude. Yeah. I'm like, I'm picking up Govee while I'm here.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, you should.

[Grace]

I am.

[Heather McMahon]

I mean, I'm on the GLP1s and it's. It's a slow burn, but I lost a lot of weight originally on it after. Because that's the thing. After the ovarian cysts and I did ivf, they were. I was like a guinea pig for the GLP1.

[Advertisement Voice]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And it Changed my life. Like, when you come off IVF drugs, I want you to imagine, like, basically when you've done so many rounds of ivf, you're injecting yourself, you're growing the eggs, they retrieve them. But I had to do three retrievals to get one embryo.

[Grace]

I'm so sorry that I thought you could just fucking poke yourself while you're in Italy. I'm sorry.

[Heather McMahon]

So, also, Grace, when you're in Italy, can I be honest with you? They should figure out how to just poke yourself, but it's a whole other thing. So I came off of it, and I was so inflamed, so I got on the drugs, it took. It was a slow burn. After, like eight, nine months, I lost about £30 and I was feeling so good.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

And then I got a little lazy and I got off of them, like, I don't need to be on it. And then I gained the weight way back and more. And so now I'm trying to figure it the out, but I will say it just. You feel better? I don't know. We might find out something scary in, like, the next 20 years. But I'm like, for the youth that I need now. I just want to feel like I'm comfortable in my skin.

[Grace]

Dude, I don't want to live forever.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, I don't think we are going to. We got about five good years left.

[Grace]

Yeah. Dude, come on. Why can't I just be skinny for the. I've been saying my whole life, if there was a magic little, you know, piece of candy I could take to be skinny, I would take it well. Now I get, why am I not doing it?

[Heather McMahon]

Well, they're also saying, too, that the GLP1s are good for, like, people with Alzheimer's. So there's other medical research behind it. It's so great for inflammation. That's what's really going to kill women. I don't live on a soapbox, which

[Grace]

I don't think I have a good one.

[Heather McMahon]

Say that again.

[Grace]

The liver, it's supposed to be good for your liver.

[Heather McMahon]

And that's the wild thing, too, when you're on the GLP1, your desire for drinking, it's like, squashed.

[Grace]

And that is. That's going to be two birds, one stone for me. And that's like, those are my two big issues. I'm a big fatty and I can't stop drinking.

[Heather McMahon]

My girl. My girl.

[Grace]

That is like, this. This is.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm right there with you, and I get it. And it. It's wild. How it turns off that like sin that part of your.

[Grace]

Oh, once I heard that that was my, that was my kicker. I heard that those two factors. But like that was the big kicker for me. It was. It'll shut up that little guy who's so stabbing in your head. Stabbing. Cuz it's always like, well, you have leftovers, you have to eat those. They got to go bad.

[Heather McMahon]

And it is weird. They really say it turns off the food noise, but you just think differently. And I. Any of these like thin who are like they Dr. Drag Sandra you. If you never grew up a fat kid, you cannot speak. I don't want to hear about it. Shut your mouth. We're out here Ozemik till we die. Just trying to do the bare minimum. I'm not thin. I'm just trying to make self. Make it feel like I feel alive.

[Grace]

Yeah, yeah. And, and those little skinny are the ones that are calling themselves fat. And, and as, as a fat lady, I don't. I really use the word. Yeah, I, I, I, I.

[Heather McMahon]

You rarely use the word.

[Grace]

I rarely use the word.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I usually say I'm like, you know, I'm a little bigger. I'm like a little, you know, I got curved.

[Heather McMahon]

I love when they're like curvy. I'm like, I don't know. My body's pretty boxy.

[Grace]

I got childbearing. His, but no child. What's going on?

[Heather McMahon]

Well, that's a fucked up thing. When you do ivf, you get so bloated and you look five months pregnant, but then they've taken out like tiny little eggs and you're like, why do I look pregnant? And then you have to lose all that and then you have like the postpartum where your hair falls out. I mean I have so much hair extensions right now. It's really wild. What? The hormones.

[Grace]

I knew it was like so taxing on your. I really.

[Heather McMahon]

Well, probably just for me. I bet other thin women. I've had other friends who've done it and they look, they get like, I got 45 eggs on the first round and I'm like, I'm double zero. And like I'm a little bloated. I'm like literally like I'm, I have no eggs.

[Grace]

Like insane.

[Heather McMahon]

But do it for yourself. And honestly, offline text me and I'm going to tell you how to do it so you get the best results.

[Grace]

Oh, fuck it. Okay.

[Heather McMahon]

Because I'm back in trying to like get ready because if I do another round of IVF in the fall I want to be at my best weight so that I have the best opportunity. Yeah. It's not just about vanity. Also, like, this road, the job that you do, you now understand.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

It breaks your body. It's exhausting there. And when people, like, just pack little mango slices in your bag, there is no opportunity. You have to fight for your life to be healthy on the road. It's not easy.

[Grace]

And here's the. Here's the kicker. Everyone says, oh, don't eat the cell. You'll get salmonella, like, at every club. It's like, do not eat the. The. The healthy stuff. That's like. They don't. They don't take care of it. You're gonna get.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah. Anybody knows you only get the chicken tenders or the matzo mozzarella sticks when you're working at a club.

[Grace]

And when I first started, I was like, I'll try that. I'll try the salmon dip.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. And you're bleeding out of your ass in the middle of your show with

[Grace]

the fucking shark on the stage. Where am I?

[Heather McMahon]

Have you had a show yet where you. And of course, nobody ever wants to cancel, but, like, I. You know, being on the road for a while, I've done a show through the flu. I done. I've done a show through the stomach virus Covid. Like, all of those things where you're like, I'm fighting for my life. And you just. It turns out, turns your brain on. Because I'm a show pony.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

I will be in the wheelchair, like, speaking into this thing. Like, put the microphone right here.

[Grace]

I will.

[Heather McMahon]

That's how I perform.

[Grace]

It's really crazy that you can just turn it on like that, because there was. I just recently did Oklahoma, and I had a Thursday show, and I was like, I can't. Like, I. You're not going to be able to hear me.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. You sounded terrible.

[Grace]

Yeah, it was really bad. It was awful. And. But then the next day, I'm like, all right, show goes on. Like, I'm not going to cancel two nights in a row. And so. Because I. That was my first time ever canceling, and I. I, like, just pulled it. Pulled it off. Like, I'm like, oh, I'm back. I'm. I'm going to call it off to the side, but, you know, it's part of the act.

[Heather McMahon]

Can I tell you, though? The fans are like, cough on me in my mouth. The baby bird, they love it.

[Grace]

I. At one point, I was. I, like, was getting off stage. Like, you doing me great. I'M like, oh. I'm like, wicked sick, though. They're like, we don't give a. I was like, all right, cool, let's do it. But at your own discretion.

[Heather McMahon]

At your own discretion. What has been the one city that you've performed in where they surprised you? Or maybe you didn't think that you'd have a special connection with the audience. And then you're like, oh, shit, these are my people.

[Grace]

That's a really good one. Shit. Arizona.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Arizona was awesome.

[Heather McMahon]

Wonderful people.

[Grace]

They, like, they really rocked it out. I just didn't know. I didn't. I don't know where they lean, you know? Yeah. Like, I didn't know what they're all about. What's yours?

[Heather McMahon]

Cincinnati is like this wild town for me. When I want to really get in the zone of my material. I don't know what it is. Cincinnati. Cincinnati is like this perfect. I play the same theater. It's just the best. I love the people. Since Shout out to Cincinnati, I think

[Grace]

everyone in Ohio rocks.

[Heather McMahon]

I disagree, but I think everyone who

[Grace]

leaves Ohio is like, usually what I say, but every time I've been to Ohio, just like the nicest, kindest people.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I never see, like, the. The. The dirty hick part.

[Heather McMahon]

You haven't been to, like, parts of Iowa, you know.

[Grace]

Okay, gotcha.

[Heather McMahon]

Just wait, wait. And that's what's wild for me, I think being a Southerner, I. I know a redneck.

[Grace]

I'm sorry about the hick thing.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, it's fine. No, no. You get a hick.

[Grace]

I'm so natural.

[Heather McMahon]

But when I go up north and I see rednecks, a northern redneck scares me, shakes me in my boots in a way that I'm like, I don't know this beast. Cuz they had to go out of

[Grace]

their way to become that.

[Heather McMahon]

Exactly.

[Grace]

That was not how they were.

[Heather McMahon]

That's exactly it. And like. Like an upstate New York redneck is terrifying.

[Grace]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like something where they make a lot of horror movies about those guys. Exactly.

[Heather McMahon]

I don't. I don't know how to navigate that. That's the kind of white power I don't.

[Grace]

I don't fuck with no. Oh, no, no.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. But in Alabama, White power. I'm like, I can navigate you. I talk my way out of this hate crime.

[Grace]

Yeah. I can't. I guess I'll pander. Yeah. Like, I just. All of a sudden, everyone's my dad and I'm like, yeah, yeah. So. Okay. So speaking of judging people, we just had The Met Gala.

[Heather McMahon]

We did have the Met Gala.

[Grace]

And I. I think my. If I got lost or whatever.

[Heather McMahon]

But I would love to go to the Met Gala, but be sponsored by Old Navy, you know, I would like an All American, like a couple 4th of July T shirts with the American flag, like, sewn together, like Miss Americana. I just am dying. I'm such an Old Navy girl. I'd really love Old Navy. If you ever get a table at the Met Gala. I would love to go.

[Grace]

The Met Gala was a lot to.

[Heather McMahon]

I mean, the Met Gala was what was. Was what it was. And I just think if we were invited and we really got to. To show up and show out, it would be a whole different. It would be a whole different situation.

[Grace]

It would be a halta too. You. You could probably wear something along this lines. Sorry, I just gotta find it. Sorry. Yeah, you could probably wear something like this maybe.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah. So actually, funny story about that. That is from a play called Five Women Wearing the Same Dress. And the whole. It was my senior year. A play that I did at Ole Miss in the theater department. And so the whole idea was that you were supposed to. That was an ugly bridesmaid dress. And the girl in the photo, that's Tina, who runs my production company. So we've been best friends since then. Wait, no shit. I love. So Tina, you just met.

[Grace]

Oh, my God. No way.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, so we were in a place play together.

[Grace]

Oh, my God, that's awesome.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. Wait.

[Grace]

I love. So cute. Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, but with dresses 100. I love that.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Oh, what a fun way to end it.

[Heather McMahon]

People thought that we were at like, some antebellum party, and I was like, no, this is actually a school play.

[Grace]

No, wrong.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Grace]

I just knew. I. I took a glance at these. Usually I don't look at them beforehand.

[Heather McMahon]

What else do you have?

[Grace]

So it's a little trip down memory lane. We've got you on the Today show.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, we love that.

[Grace]

We've got a little lake is action.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, that's me when I played basketball. Fupa's still going strong there, and I'm only like seven and a half. It's never gone away.

[Grace]

She's strong.

[Heather McMahon]

She's strong.

[Grace]

We got a little. It looks like you about to.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah.

[Grace]

Sit on. Sit on it.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm gonna sit on it. So that's me at my condo in college with my glass of red wine. And that was a dress by a brand called Teabags. And I. It was. So you remember Teabags? It May have been before your time. That was the. Just every dress hung on you like a teabag. And it was so flattering if you had a tummy. And I just thought I was so hot there. Look at me. I'm showing cleavage. I'm showing tongue. She's.

[Grace]

She's a goddamn blast. She's a blast.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I'd put those on my ceiling, call it a chandelier Y. Oh, we've got a. Oh, my God. A classic airbrush Spring break.

[Heather McMahon]

Yep. So my birthday was always over spring break. And we would go party on 30A, which is like the strip in Florida, kind of near Panama City, but we did the classy side called Seaside, and I would get an airbrush T shirt and go to the bar every spring break.

[Grace]

Any of those left?

[Heather McMahon]

I got a couple from the. That's awesome.

[Grace]

Yeah, make it a. You can make it a blanket. Yeah, we got. I was trying to figure out which finger that was. It's just. It's just your normal points. I thought it was one of these.

[Heather McMahon]

No, it's just me pointing my finger in front of a step. And repeat from when. When I first got on the road back in, like, 2018.

[Grace]

So the farewell tour.

[Heather McMahon]

The farewell tour. That was the first tour. And the. The. Yeah.

[Grace]

And then we've got a little Snapchat action.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, that's my sister. Oh, wow. When I had Snapchat.

[Grace]

This is your sister?

[Heather McMahon]

That's my sister way. Isn't it crazy? I mean, listen, we're so young there, but we have this same face and the same voice, but she's like a gorgeous brunette, and I'm.

[Grace]

I'm.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm bleach blonde.

[Grace]

A gorgeous blonde.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

That's so crazy.

[Heather McMahon]

She's so pretty.

[Grace]

Are you. Are you a natty blonde?

[Heather McMahon]

No. Hell no. Look at my eyebrows. No, I'm not even close.

[Grace]

See, I don't notice these things.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah. No, not even close.

[Grace]

All righty.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, my gosh. So at Barstool, you know T. Bob a beer.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah, that's him. No, that's T. Bob.

[Grace]

Wait, no way.

[Heather McMahon]

Who's at Barstool? Chicago. Oh, my God. That was my prom date.

[Grace]

That's so funny.

[Heather McMahon]

I didn't know that.

[Grace]

That's crazy. Lore, did you know that when you found this? Oh, that's so funny.

[Heather McMahon]

His name's on one of the. His older sister is Cammy, my friend who owns show me your moomoo. And so T. Bob was my show me your moo.

[Grace]

Yeah, no, that.

[Heather McMahon]

They got it going on. They got it Going on.

[Grace]

No wonder you weren't. You look great in it, though. That's. Oh, my God. No way. I had no idea.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, wow. We were dear friends in college, and I said, t, Bob, you're the only guy in our grade that is, like, they were all short kings. He's a couple years younger than me. And I said, you're the only guy in high school right now that's over six foot. Like, come be my buddy and come to. Come. Come to prom. Tall.

[Grace]

You come with me.

[Heather McMahon]

Yeah.

[Grace]

He's the best. That's awesome. There we go.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah, that's me just being. That's. That's me in my prime in a heel and a calf tan by the

[Grace]

pool, doing my Pisces absolute rapid fire.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah. Some lady made me this crown. I still have it.

[Grace]

That.

[Heather McMahon]

Like a fan. It was a fan. That's fan art. I get a lot of cool things that fans make.

[Grace]

Oh, hell, yeah. You put it. You burn it in a fire.

[Heather McMahon]

I burn it in fire. 100%. It gave me lice.

[Grace]

Oh, headshot.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, my God, you guys. That's one of my first headshots. And actually, what do they call it? A Bombshell blonde. Yeah, Bombshell blonde. Box blonde.

[Grace]

Platinum.

[Heather McMahon]

And Cami and T. Bob's older sister Ryan took that photo, and that's back in, like, 12.

[Grace]

Oh, you really keep it in the fam.

[Heather McMahon]

I keep it in the fam. She does my headshots in 2011. That's when I first moved out to LA. Look at that. I still had, literally, light in my eyes. Yeah.

[Grace]

Yeah. Isn't it funny how you lose that?

[Heather McMahon]

You lose the light, like, now.

[Grace]

I'm like, whenever someone moves to New York and they're, like, super friendly and super nice, I'm like, you still got.

[Heather McMahon]

You still got the job.

[Grace]

Oh, my God, I'm just so happy to be.

[Heather McMahon]

I'm like. They're like, I love her old square. You're like, yeah, you still got it.

[Grace]

And. Oh, we got a repeat.

[Heather McMahon]

We got a repeat.

[Grace]

Yeah. Perfect. I have been so stoked to have this. Sit down. I'm so glad we did.

[Heather McMahon]

I am so honored. Thank you for having me.

[Grace]

And I'll see you in two years.

[Heather McMahon]

I'll see you in two years. Keep crushing it.

[Grace]

Right back at you. Thank you so much. Oh, sorry. Shout outs and all that jazz.

[Heather McMahon]

Oh, yeah, shout outs. I mean, listen, you know what? You can find me at [e-mail]. we're going on a cruise, and then we're probably gonna add tour dates for the fall at heather on tour.com and just follow me on the Instagrams and the Tiktoks and all the bullshit Heather came in man.

[Grace]

Thank you dude. Thanks for coming on.

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