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Jay Schwedelson
What up? Welcome to do this not that the podcast for marketers. I'm Jay Schwedelson. Let's dig into some tips and some randomness. We are back for do this not that podcast presented by Marigold. And I cannot stand when marketing stuff, tactics, tips, whatever gets circulated and recirculated and put on important websites and influential people talk about it and the information is not true because I fall for it sometimes, and then I avoid doing certain tactics and it's very annoying. So I want to share a couple tactics that are just, I think, blatantly not true. And the reason I decided to do this episode is because I saw this study that came out just now. This study came out and it kind of blew my mind. So this is the first mythbuster, and then I have two other ones. So the first mythbuster was about posting on LinkedIn and the other ones are not about LinkedIn. So the study came out from this company called Metricool. Okay? Very well established company. And they studied over 577,000 LinkedIn posts. And what the study was all about was if you put a Link in your LinkedIn post on a company page, on a personal page, and you put a link in your post, will that cause that post to have less circulation? Because what everybody believes, what I believed, is that if you put a link to something off of LinkedIn, you know, a YouTube link, a link to some downloadable piece of content, something, right, you take them off of LinkedIn, that LinkedIn doesn't like that, and it will decrease the circulation because the algorithm doesn't like that, that your post won't go anywhere. And I fundamentally have believed this forever. And so I saw this study and they said they studied 577,000 posts across 48,000 different company and personal pages. I mean, I don't even know how they did that. That's a bananas amount of whatever. And here's what they found. They found that posts with links have higher engagement, 13% higher engagement when a post has links in it. This is like, are you kidding me? That is wild. And it also now had higher engagement and interactions, but it had 4.9% more views than posts without links. So after I saw this, I'm like, what? This is like the opposite of everything. Because what I do is sometimes I put a link in like the comments because I'm scared to put a link in the post. So when I saw this study this week, I said, all right, screw this, I want to try it out on my own page. So I went on My own page. I put up a post and I put a link in it and I expected it, the post to do garbage like go nowhere. And it did really well. It did really well. I had a YouTube link in there. I'm like, look at this. Who knew? Now, does that mean that you should put links in every post? No, it doesn't. Because I think that links in posts, now that I'm really thinking about how it all works, I don't think that the algorithm and LinkedIn are penalizing you for putting a link in your post. What I really think about is that the post itself is penalizing itself. What do I mean by that? People are on LinkedIn to be on LinkedIn, right? They're on LinkedIn to see stuff on LinkedIn. They're not really on LinkedIn to be taken off of LinkedIn. So when you put a link in your post and you're trying to get people to go off of LinkedIn, I think that the reason that we all feel like it, it hurts our performance is because in and of itself, it's taking away from what people want to be doing. So I'm now very interested to keep testing this. But it's one of those things that's out there. It's like, oh, I can never do this garbage. When you hear something you can never do, that's the thing that you want to test. So another one of those that's been circulated a lot lately is really, it's email marketing. It's this idea of you should not resend to non openers anymore. Meaning let's say you have a newsletter, you send out your newsletter like I send out my newsletter on Thursdays. Okay? And let's say I get a 40% open rate on the newsletter. And then on Sundays we send out an email to everybody who didn't open it on Thursdays, right? We send out to non openers. Now there's all these articles, all this stuff that gets circulated now saying, no, no, no, no. That's a thing of the past. If you resend to non openers, you're going to be considered spammy. It's going to hurt your email deliverability. And there's so much good correct data out there now that dispels that myth. You 100% should be sending to your non openers. Why? Before we get to the deliverability piece? Why? Because when you actually send to your non openers or overall, your net click through rates the overall amount of clicks that you get when you combine your first send to your second send go up by about 15% because you're reaching people on your list who want the thing that you're sending. They just missed the first email. It's not that they ignored the first email, they missed it. They are busy. Okay? So the critical thing when you resend a non openers is you need a different subject line. Like what we do is, you know, send out the regular newsletter, whatever it says or the promotional email and. And then the next one would be like oops, you missed it subject line. Or you scroll past this one. Something in the subject line that's very different than the first one. Okay. And I like to acknowledge the fact that the person missed the first one. This applies to newsletters, promotional emails, consumer B2B, it doesn't matter. And then send it out at a different time of the day. Stop treating non openers and openers the same way. Clearly they didn't have time for it at that moment. So you're non opener. Resend if you send your regular one out at 10am, send it out at 3pm to non openers because you want to try to cater to a different mindset. But 100% it is when people say hurts your deliverability, you get more unsubscribes. It's so not true. You get like a fraction of a percent more unsubscribes. So it only is bad actually if you use the same subject line twice. Don't do that. So that's another myth. And then the last one is this idea of repeating content. Everyone is so scared to repeat content on social media or in their emails. But especially on social media, you know, people think oh, on our company page or on our personal page, on Instagram, on LinkedIn, on Meta, whatever we posted that. We can't post that again because we're going to seem repetitive. We're going to seem like we have nothing to say. Are you kidding me? Why don't you go to Gary Vee's page? You know Gary Vaynerchuk, right? All he does is repeat his stuff and he crushes it. And it works so well. Listen, on average on social media, regardless of platform, you're only going to reach about 7 to 10% of your followers that on any given piece of content you put out there and I would argue that that's even pretty high. I think it's less so nobody's seeing it. So in my company what we do is we have a six month marker. We look at content on a rolling cycle. Anything older than six months that did well, we are reposting that every single day. And that's what we're doing. So if you think you're being repetitive, you're not. You're just being ridiculous if you're not actually posting again. All right, speaking of ridiculous, before we get into the ridiculous portion of this podcast, which is truly ridiculous, I want to let you know this podcast is exclusively presented by Emma from Marigold. Ooh, here we go. An ad read. Tune it out, you're bored, whatever. No, Emma's awesome. It's an email setting platform that you could use for your retention, your loyalty, your all your email marketing stuff. It is awesome for business, for consumer, small, medium, large. What are you doing? You need a great email platform. This is what I use. And for listeners of do this, not that. Only you can get 50% off of Emma for three months. Come on, all you gotta do is go to jelson.com emma so it's my horribly long name. JSON.com emma 50% off. Come on, check it out. All right, let's get into. Since you didn't ask. Well, this is a ridiculous topic, but everything I talk about is ridiculous. So I saw that. So the new season of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders thing came out on Netflix. Great. I'm not, I'm like just getting started. Great show, by the way. But that's not all I'm here to talk about. And it's a great show. It's follows Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders making the team or not making the team. It's great. Anyway, there was a lot of controversy last year because they talked about how much they got paid and they were only getting paid like $15 an hour. And, and they were doing all this work late at night, whatever, and it was all over the place. So now this year came out, now the new season's out. They got a 400% increase in salary. They're making $75 an hour and all these appearance fees and all this stuff. And they said for veterans, people on the team, more than one year, the cheerleading squad, they can make 100 to $150,000 a year. I'm very happy for them because I felt like they were getting screwed. But then of course, I had to go down a rabbit hole. And I said to myself, I wonder how much people make on all these ridiculous reality shows are that I watch. I want to know how much they make. So I had to do some research. And I know if you actually care about what I'm about to say, then you are in the fraction of 1% on this earth, because this is really stupid stuff. All right, so on the Bachelor, any of the Bachelor shows, which of course I watch all of them. The Bachelor, the Golden Bachelor, the Bachelorette, you name it. Do you think they get paid? Well, here's the answer. So the person who is the Bachelor or the Bachelorette, the main person, they get paid about a hundred grand. What's up? Just to be that person. But all the other people, the doofuses that you're picking from in terms of you know who, who the. The Bachelor Bachelorette's selecting From out of 30 people, they get paid nothing, zero. And they even have to buy their clothes and all this stuff. So that kind of stinks for them. Now Survivor, they do all get paid. So the contestants on Survivor make anywhere between 2,000 to $3,500 per week. But that's terrible because you're not eating and whatever. So that's not good. The Real Housewives, I know this is important. If you are a new cast member, you make anywhere from 60 to $100,000 for a season. And veteran cast members make anywhere from 3,300,000 to $1,000,000 per season. Look at the information we have here. Dance moms, thousand dollars per episode, they make 90 day fiance, they make $1,000 to $1,500 an episode. So what does this all mean? I have no idea. I really don't know what it means. And the sad part is a lot of these people, this is like what they do for the rest of their lives. They'll go ahead on the Bachelor, then they try to squeeze out money afterwards. I don't know. What it means is this is not a good career. That's what it means. Don't do that. But hey, you're here. I appreciate you. If you leave this review, then I would think you're very cool because it helps to circulate the show or leave it a comment. Even better, if you're on Spotify, leave it a comment. I'll comment back. We could hang out. We'll be BFFs and you're awesome. Thanks for being here Later. You did it. You made it to the end. Nice. But the party's not over. 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Podcast Summary: "Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson | Ep. 362"
Release Date: June 20, 2025
Presented By: Marigold
Host: Jay Schwedelson
Episode Title: Marketing Myths BUSTED! Quick WINS! 🔗 Jay’s SCOOP
In episode 362 of "Do This, NOT That!" hosted by Jay Schwedelson and presented by Marigold, Jay delves into common marketing misconceptions that hinder effective strategies. Through insightful analysis and recent studies, Jay debunks three prevalent marketing myths, offering actionable advice to enhance marketing performance. This episode is a must-listen for marketers seeking to refine their approaches and achieve better engagement and results.
Timestamp: [00:02] – [04:50]
Overview: Jay challenges the long-held belief that including external links in LinkedIn posts negatively impacts their circulation and engagement. Traditionally, marketers have avoided placing links directly in posts out of fear that LinkedIn's algorithm would deprioritize such content.
Key Points:
Study by Metricool: Analyzing over 577,000 LinkedIn posts from 48,000 company and personal pages, the study revealed that posts containing external links actually garnered 13% higher engagement and 4.9% more views compared to those without links.
Jay's Personal Experiment: Motivated by the study's findings, Jay tested this on his own LinkedIn page by including a YouTube link in a post. Contrary to his expectations, the post performed exceptionally well, validating the study's results.
Algorithm Insights: Jay posits that the LinkedIn algorithm isn't penalizing posts with links; rather, he suggests that the perceived decrease in performance is due to the nature of links diverting users away from LinkedIn's platform.
Notable Quotes:
Actionable Advice:
Timestamp: [04:51] – [09:50]
Overview: The second myth addressed is the belief that resending emails to recipients who did not open the initial message can harm deliverability and increase the likelihood of emails being marked as spam.
Key Points:
Counter Evidence: Jay highlights substantial data disproving this myth, emphasizing that resending to non-openers can significantly improve overall click-through rates by approximately 15%.
Behavioral Insights: Non-openers often miss the initial email due to being busy rather than disinterested. A second attempt can capture the attention of these individuals who are still interested in the content.
Best Practices for Resending:
Notable Quotes:
Actionable Advice:
Timestamp: [09:51] – [14:50]
Overview: The final myth debunked revolves around the fear of appearing repetitive by reposting content on social media platforms. Many marketers avoid reposting under the assumption it signals a lack of creativity or content scarcity.
Key Points:
Gary Vaynerchuk’s Success: Jay references Gary Vaynerchuk, who effectively repeats content across various platforms, demonstrating that strategic repetition can lead to substantial engagement.
Average Social Media Reach: With an average reach of only 7 to 10% per post, repeating high-performing content can maximize visibility and engagement over time.
Jay’s Company Strategy: His team follows a six-month content cycle, reposting any content that performed well within that period daily. This approach ensures consistent engagement without exhausting the audience.
Notable Quotes:
Actionable Advice:
Jay Schwedelson's episode effectively dismantles three major marketing myths that can constrain marketers' strategies. By leveraging recent studies and practical experiments, Jay provides compelling evidence and actionable strategies to enhance engagement and performance across LinkedIn, email marketing, and social media platforms. Marketers are encouraged to challenge preconceived notions, experiment with these insights, and adopt data-driven approaches to achieve superior results.
Final Takeaways:
For more actionable marketing tips and strategies, subscribe to "Do This, NOT That!" and join Jay Schwedelson on his journey to marketing mastery.