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Jay Schwedelson
Foreign welcome to do this not that, the podcast for marketers. You'll walk away from each episode with actionable tips you can test immediately. You'll hear from the best minds in marketing who will share tactics, quick wins and pitfalls to avoid. Also dig into life, pop culture, and the chaos that is our everyday. I'm Jay Schwedelson. Let's do this, not that. What is going on? We are back for do this not that podcast presented by Marigold. And today we're talking about the super easy tactic that is going to increase your email open rates by over 40% and your social media is going to crush it. Everything is going to crush it. And the topic is about not being vague and this idea of super specific stuff and micro segmentation. I'm going to get all into it all but the thing that we have to stop doing, we have to stop thinking that people have a clue what we are talking about. There's so many different marketing campaigns that are vague. I can give you examples. In my inbox I got this email from John Varvatos, the clothing company. I don't even know why I'm on that list. I've never bought anything from them. And the subject line said, a hue you can rely on. I don't know what that means. Okay, I got another email from Uncommon Goods and the subject line said, not to be dramatic, I got one from Adobe and the subject line said, unleash your imagination. And then I got one from Grammarly. These were all in my inbox and it said, a week without words. These are all ridiculous. They mean absolutely nothing. And what's going on is somebody thinks they're being really creative. Somebody thinks they're being really clever. There was a meeting with a bunch of people in the room talking about, oh yeah, this is so on brand. This fits into our campaign. Nobody cares about your campaign. No one knows what you're talking about. They want to know what you do, what you sell, what's in it for them, how do they get the thing. That's it. We got to be very, very specific. And enough with the nonsense. All right, so here it is. Here's the tactic that I'm talking about. In the last six months. Let's talk about email first. In the last six months in subject lines, using micro segmentation in your subject line is crushing it. It is increasing email open rates by over 4, 40%. What is micro segmentation sound like? It's when you are saying the exact audience and the exact thing that your product or service does in that subject line. So let's do some business examples first, here's some subject lines. CMOs in SaaS. This growth hack is working because that's who you're targeting. CMOs and SaaS or recruiters hiring for engineers, stop making this mistake. Or agency owners billing over $100,000. Read this before tax season. You are doing okay. This idea of micro segmentation, you are talking about the exact audience that you want to go to and you're saying it so that way when the person sees like, oh my goodness, this is exactly for me. And the good news is it gets people further down the funnel. They're the exact right audience. So on the consumer side, how would that work? It would say something like this in the subject line. Runners with knee pain. This shoe is a game changer. Or new moms, this 10 second sleep trick actually works. Or pet parents of anxious dogs. This calms in fast, right? When you say pet parents of anxious dogs, that is super specific. That is a very micro segment of your audience. But anybody that opens that up has got an anxious dog. You're a pet parent, right? If you are opening up an email that says agency owners billing over $100,000, you're like, I am billing over $100,000. I'm an agency owner. So when you open it up, you are like halfway there to converting. As opposed to John Varvato saying a hue you can rely on or uncommon good saying not to be dramatic or Grammarly, a week without words, nonsense. Be crazy, overly specific. And that's what works. We want to know what do you sell and how could it help me? Okay, that's it. Get way more specific than you have been. And this idea of micro segmentation is crushing it. But it doesn't just crush it in email. Okay, let's say it's your social media. You put that as the headline. The bold words on your social media post exactly who it's for at the most micro level. Now, in search ads, okay, the copy that you use in search ads or the copy that you use in paid social media ads, a lot of those ads that you are running are on a cost per click. And I never understand why people do this the wrong way. You're running those ads on a cost per click, so you're not paying just when they're circulating, you're paying when somebody clicks. So if you are super specific in the language, in the ads that you are running, the cost per click ads that you're running on paid social media or paid search and you're Using this idea of micro segmentation and how you're writing it, then only the people who click on that are going to be the ones interested in that exact thing. You're going to save a boatload of your ad budget by being super specific because you're going to weed out all the wrong people, all the clicks that are going to go nowhere. And it's not just relegated to your social media posts or your search ads. If you are sending out a letter format email, for example, the first sentence of your email, the very first sentence of that email should use micro segmentation. You should speak to the exact audience. You're not just saying, this is for tech professionals. No. This is for tech startup founders like you, blah, blah, blah. Or this is for female founders like you that are driving the fastest growing businesses. Or if your skin feels greasy by noon even after washing your face, we've got good news. If you're tracking macros but you're struggling to hit your protein goals, you're not alone. Micro segmentation get way deep and this is exactly who your product's for. And this is going to speed up your conversions. And it's a game changer. So an easy test. All right, before we get into the ridiculous portion of this podcast, which is, since you didn't ask, totally ridiculous. This podcast is presented by Marigold. I talked about Marigold a lot and there's reason because they're awesome. They are my email sending platform. Right. If you send out business consumer emails, they are incredible and they have the best loyalty tools. If you're trying to get loyalty going for your business, I am telling you, some of the biggest brands in the country are using them for the loyalty programs. You got to check them out@meet marigold.com. i'm a huge fan. Meet marigold.com check them out. All right, let's get into. Since you didn't ask, what is going on with me? Well, right now, every year, me and my group of college friends from back in the day, we go on our annual guys trip. We've been doing this every year. There's six of us that go and it's great. Every year I don't want to go because I feel like I don't have time and it's a pain in the butt and but every year we go and what we do is at the end of the guys trip, we, we put all the names in the hat and then we pull out a name from the hat and whoever's name gets pulled out, they are in charge for the next Year to plan everything. They pick the location, they plan what we're doing, the whole nine yards. And we did that because we used to not do that. And then what would happen was we couldn't agree on anything at all and it would take forever. So this year, my buddy's name gets picked out of the hat and he. He's like, we're going to Vegas. Which, listen, if this was 15, 20 years ago and someone said, you're going to Vegas for a guys trip, I'd be like, let's go, let's go right now. But I am a loser, okay? I am no fun. And going to Vegas sounds horrible to me. Just sounds horrible to me. And the problem is our guys trip group is like split into two factions. Three of us are like me, big losers. The other three think that they are still like in their 20s and they're gonna go in rage. And this is not. This is not a good mix. And we're all buddies from college. We're all like, you know, went same years in college, the whole thing. And we all live around the country. That doesn't matter. So anyway, so then he goes, we're going to Vegas. I'm like, oh. And then he sends out the itinerary to all of us because we're going to be going in the summer and send out the itinerary. And it is unacceptable, okay? Totally unacceptable. It is clubs. It is one of these. They have these, like, parties at these beach clubs with these big DJs, these day parties, whatever. No chance I'm going to that. There is no chance I'm doing any of this. What I want to do, okay, is I want to go to some. I want to go to a good dinner at a relatively normal time. If there's a funny comedian, fine, I'll go. I don't really like gambling, but I'll go for a little bit, Whatever. And what else will I do? A concert maybe? I don't know. But other than that, nothing. I don't. I'll play golf. I'll play God, be very hot. I'm not great at golf, but I'll play this. What he has on there is the opposite, okay? And so I send a text to everybody, go, unacceptable, not doing this, Whatever. And now we're in a war. This three on three war. And I said, listen, dude, you want to go and act like a clown and go there? If I go to a day club beach thing, I'm going to wear a swim shirt, okay? I'm going to walk around. I'm going to take a nap on a couch somewhere. I ain't playing games. I'm not doing this. Screw it. I don't care enough. Who, who are we anyway? I don't know what I'm talking about. So I'm no fun. Obviously I'm going to win this battle or I'm just going to sit in my room and I'll order room service. And by the way, if there's anything better in the world than sitting in room, ordering room service and watching crappy tv, I don't know what it is because that sounds awesome. Sign me up for three days of that. I will let you know how this goes. I'm not excited, but I don't know what's going to happen. I appreciate you being here. You rock. You know, if we're not connected on LinkedIn, drop me a LinkedIn connection. I. I share way too much garbage there and I'll fill you in on my guys trip. And I appreciate you being here. All right, later. You did it. You made it to the end. Nice. But the party's not over. Subscribe to make sure you get the latest episode each week for more actionable tips and a little chaos from today's top marketers. 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Podcast Summary: Ep.294 - SECRET to 40% Email Open Rate INCREASE! ➕I don't like Las Vegas | Jay’s SCOOP
Podcast Information:
[00:00] Jay Schwedelson kicks off the episode by highlighting the focus on a "super easy tactic" that can increase email open rates by over 40% and significantly boost social media performance. The central theme revolves around avoiding vague marketing messages and embracing specificity and micro-segmentation to connect more effectively with target audiences.
Jay discusses the common pitfall of vague marketing campaigns, emphasizing that many marketers believe their creative and brand-centric messages resonate with their audience. He illustrates this with examples of ineffective subject lines:
Jay criticizes these as "ridiculous" and "nonsense", pointing out that they fail to communicate the value or relevance to the recipient. He states, "They want to know what you do, what you sell, what's in it for them, how do they get the thing. That's it." ([04:00])
Jay introduces micro-segmentation as the key tactic for enhancing email open rates. This approach involves tailoring subject lines to address exact audiences and their specific needs. By doing so, recipients immediately recognize the relevance of the content, leading to higher engagement.
Jay provides concrete examples of effective, micro-segmented subject lines for business audiences:
He explains, "When you open it up, you are like halfway there to converting." ([10:30])
For consumer-targeted campaigns, Jay offers examples such as:
He emphasizes that specificity ensures only the most interested individuals engage, effectively filtering out irrelevant audiences.
Jay reiterates the impact of micro-segmentation on email campaigns, noting a 40% increase in open rates. He advises that the first sentence of an email should immediately address the specific audience, e.g., "This is for tech startup founders like you." ([15:00]), ensuring clarity and relevance from the outset.
On social media, Jay suggests using specific headlines or bold statements tailored to micro-segments. By clearly defining who the content is for, posts become more engaging and effective in reaching the right audience.
For search and paid social media ads, Jay highlights the importance of specific copy to optimize cost-per-click (CPC). By using micro-segmented language, advertisers can save budget by attracting only those genuinely interested, thereby reducing wasted clicks.
Jay encourages marketers to test micro-segmentation in their campaigns. He suggests crafting subject lines and ad copy that precisely define the target audience and offer compelling solutions tailored to their specific needs. By implementing these strategies, marketers can accelerate conversions and achieve more substantial results.
Jay concludes the episode by reiterating the significance of avoiding vague messaging in marketing. He underscores that specificity and micro-segmentation not only enhance engagement rates but also ensure that marketing efforts are directed towards the most relevant and interested audiences.
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