Billion Dollar Dreams w/ Berner!

Summary

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DOPE AS USUAL Podcast - "Billion Dollar Dreams w/ Berner!"

Hosts: Thomas "Dope As Yola" Araujo & Marty O’Neill
Guest: Berner
Date: March 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode marks the return of legendary cannabis entrepreneur, rapper, and Cookies founder Berner to the DOPE AS USUAL Podcast. The conversation is a high-energy, unfiltered journey through Berner’s personal milestones, business wins and struggles, family life, and industry insights. With a tone that’s equal parts real talk, Bay Area bravado, and humor, the trio covers everything from parenthood and AI, to the realities of the legal cannabis market in 2026, and what it truly means to build a billion-dollar brand.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Berner’s Explosive Growth: Family, Music, & Brand (01:12–04:47)

• Since Berner’s last appearance, he’s released five projects in two years and expanded his family—three children, with the third on the way.
  • "That's light work. I should be at 10." (01:49, Berner)
  • On being a father at 43: Balancing wanting to be present and giving enough love and attention to all his kids.
• Perspective on fatherhood, aging, and legacy: Both hosts and Berner share how family and generational change are hitting home.

2. Tech, AI, and Living Longer (04:30–07:12)

• On Neuralink and longevity:
  • “If I was old and decrepit and had a chance to reboot... I’d do it. But I’m not gonna be a test crash dummy.” (09:15, Berner)
  • “I feel like consciousness is going to be around anyways.” (04:39, Berner)
• Berner admits he never drives—prefers being driven, citing his roots and safety reasons from street days.

3. Cannabis, Crime, and Changing Times (10:20–13:18)

• The street game is over: Technology, cameras, and law enforcement have made “traditional” hustling impossible.
  • “If you’re trying to do crime in 2026... you missed the golden era we came up in.” (11:30, Berner)
• Dangers of the current drug landscape: Kids now face dangerous, contaminated drugs.
  • "Trust the source. Don't take pills or powders." (12:47, Berner)
  • Berner shares a story about being laced with PCP as a kid—lesson in never trusting random sources. (13:21–15:07)

4. The State of the Bay & California (19:07–23:16)

• On the decline of Oakland and recent exodus of sports teams; San Francisco’s slow comeback post-pandemic.
  • “California just let go of us... As long as you’re causing chaos, you’re good, but making money? You’re all bad.” (20:11, Berner)
• Discussion about California taxes and the appeal of states like Texas for entrepreneurs.
  • “Where the f*** is our tax money going? California, we get taxed the hardest.” (21:26, Berner)
  • The struggle between Bay Area loyalty and financial common sense.

5. Parenthood’s Transformative Power (24:02–26:47)

• Fatherhood shifts priorities and recalibrates risk-taking.
  • "Every single time I make a decision... Is this gonna affect my child?" (25:51, Berner)
  • “If you die without kids, you've avoided the purpose of being here, man.” (24:29, Berner)

6. Preparedness & Survivalist Mindset (28:01–29:38)

• Berner discusses prepping—water, food, weapons—for his family as a byproduct of new fatherly instincts.

7. Cannabis Industry: Risks, Raids, and Oversaturation (33:23–39:54)

• Raids and law enforcement shake-downs pre-legalization.
  • “They came in, handcuffed us, took all the cash, missed the safe, and just left... like a scene out of Training Day.” (33:23, Berner)
• The new era: “Set up for failure.” Tax structure (280E) is crushing legitimate operators.
  • “You cannot write anything, any kind of cost of business off... This was set up for failure.” (37:39, Berner)
• New, dangerous weed illnesses (CHS), but Berner questions validity, blames it on dirty dabs/hot nails from the old days.

8. The Art & Business of Cannabis Genetics (43:01–52:09)

• Current hottest strains (2026): Open debate on the “toe venoms” and industry drama.
  • “At the end of the day, the more time you spend worrying about another man, the less time you spend worrying about your brand. Game 101.” (43:55, Berner)
• Expansion regrets and the Cookies model:
  • “We expanded too quickly... Now, less is best. I want to focus on less partners, less stores, more control.” (45:13, Berner)
• Genetics, breeding, Humboldt County operations, the future of “menu drops,” and the boutique cannabis trend.

9. Entrepreneurship, Authorship & Recognition (53:04–58:11)

• Berner is now a New York Times bestselling author with his book "Become a Legend."
  • "It’s the hardest list in the world to get on as an author, and you hit it on your first book." (54:20, Berner relaying the call)
• Berner wrote the book himself on his phone Notes app, then shaped it with a publisher.
  • “Look at how ghetto this is, dawg.” (55:00, Berner, showing his phone)

10. Cookies Brand: Lawsuits, Lessons & International Domination (61:50–64:32)

• Legal battles: Lawsuits to retain control over Cookies, winning $23M in court but not being paid yet.
  • “I do have a lot more control over certain things now... All based on quality and new menu.” (63:27, Berner)
• International market excitement: Legal export to the UK, Thailand, Germany, etc.

11. Quality Over Quantity: Small Batch Success, Wraps, and Brand Diversification (67:07–70:49)

• Cookies Wraps and Loose Leaf partnership: $40 million/year from just wraps.
  • "You gotta start visiting things we're doing right." (69:54, Berner)

12. Rapper, Mogul, Living for the Present (72:03–76:13)

• Self-reflection on multi-faceted success: $1.5B in total revenue.
  • “Sometimes I have to realize, yo, we are really crushing it... Cookies is generating $1.5b in revenue to date.” (72:03, Berner)
• Importance of celebrating wins and living well: lavish Hawaii vacations, not just accumulating material goods.
  • “Material things are nothing. It's all about trips and memories.” (77:17, Berner)

13. War Stories: San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and the Golden Era (90:01–98:46)

• Selling weed in the golden days, classic Bay Area stories, and the differences now with low margins and high risk.
  • “I'm the king of oxidized weed—If I get a pack I like, I'll hold it until I get more... usually don’t.” (90:02, Berner)
• Reflections on breaking into music, clothing, and cannabis at the ground level.

14. Resilience & Hustle: Injuries, Challenges, and a Relentless Grind (101:17–104:47)

• Berner shares a story about breaking his leg but finishing a music video before going to the hospital.
  • “I was in so much pain… but the Coyotes just drove from LA. We're gonna do the video.” (104:03, Berner)

15. Finishing Strong: Brand Synergy, Merch Drops & Final Words (115:03–END)

• New Cookies x Push Trees capsule in Zoomies August 2026, ongoing menu drops, and future weed tastings in Humboldt.
• Final message: The importance of sharing wins, building a legacy, and keeping focused on quality and innovation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 01:49 | Berner | "That's light work. I should be at 10." | | 09:15 | Berner | "I'm not gonna be a test crash dummy... [Neuralink] only when old and decrepit." | | 11:30 | Berner | “If you’re trying to do crime in 2026... you missed the golden era we came up in.” | | 12:47 | Berner | "Kids. Crazy kids. Just smoke flower from a trusted source. Don't take pills or powders." | | 24:29 | Berner | "If you die without kids, you've avoided the purpose of being here, man." | | 37:39 | Berner | "You cannot write anything, any kind of cost of business off... This was set up for failure." | | 43:55 | Berner | "At the end of the day, the more time you spend worrying about another man, the less time you spend worrying about your brand. Game 101." | | 45:13 | Berner | "We expanded too quickly... Now, less is best. I want to focus on less partners, less stores, more control." | | 54:20 | Berner | "It’s the hardest list in the world to get on as an author, and you hit it on your first book." | | 63:27 | Berner | “I do have a lot more control over certain things now... All based on quality and new menu.” | | 69:54 | Berner | "You gotta start revisiting things we're doing right." | | 72:03 | Berner | "Cookies has generated $1.5 billion in revenue to date." | | 77:17 | Berner | "Material things are nothing. It's all about trips and memories." | | 90:02 | Berner | "I'm the king of oxidized weed—If I get a pack I like, I'll hold it until I get more... usually don’t." | | 104:03 | Berner | “I was in so much pain… but the Coyotes just drove from LA. We're gonna do the video.” |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• (01:12–04:47) – Berner’s updates: albums, children, life changes
• (04:30–07:12) – Tech, AI, and longevity (Neuralink, self-driving)
• (10:20–13:18) – The old street game vs. 2026
• (19:07–23:16) – The changing Bay Area, taxes, and state migration
• (24:02–26:47) – Fatherhood and life purpose
• (33:23–39:54) – Cannabis raids, CHS, and 280E tax hell
• (43:01–45:13) – Strain wars, industry drama, focusing on your own lane
• (53:04–58:11) – Berner’s authorship and New York Times Bestseller
• (61:50–64:32) – Cookies’ lawsuits, business lessons
• (67:07–70:49) – Loos Leaf/collab success, small batch focus
• (72:03–76:13) – Success, celebrating wins, and Hawaii
• (90:01–98:46) – Old-school Bay stories, lessons from the grind
• (101:17–104:47) – Berner breaks his leg, still films music video
• (115:03–End) – Brand synergy, future plans, closing reflections

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Conclusion

This episode of DOPE AS USUAL is a blueprint for ambition, adaptability, and authenticity in both life and business. Through raw, hilarious, and candid exchanges, Berner shares the specifics behind his billion-dollar dreams, hard-won wisdom from the trenches, and why he believes “less is more” for Cookies and cannabis in 2026. The episode is essential listening for hustlers, entrepreneurs, stoners, and anyone figuring out how to rise and stay true in an ever-changing world.

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Find Berner online: @berner415
Book: Become a Legend (New York Times Bestseller)
Brands: Cookies, Cookies Wraps, Push Trees
Next moves: New menus, more quality, worldwide expansion

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Perfect.

Transcript

[Burner]

Lie. If you're getting money, be happy. If you got a strain that has motion, be happy. If you got a brand that has motion, be happy. The more time you spend worrying about another man, the last time you're spend worrying about your brand. Game 101, I don't give a about anyone. I'm not worried about anyone. When I see people dope, hey, congratulation, big props. I'm congratulating people as a so called big dog. I'm like, yo, that got Motion is coming across my desk multiple times. So be like that. Perfect,

[Thomas Dopas]

Perfect,

[Burner]

Perfect,

[Thomas Dopas]

Perfect. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Dope As Usual podcast. My name is Thomas Dopas. Yolo, whatever you want to call me. This is my co host, Mario Neal.

[Mario Neal]

What's up, guys?

[Thomas Dopas]

What's up, guys? Last time we had this guest, this entire room was boxed. And I expect nothing less, guys. Welcome back for part two. Say hello to Burner. What's up, man?

[Burner]

What up, brother?

[Thomas Dopas]

Thanks for being here. The earliest episode we've ever filmed.

[Burner]

You know, that's. That's. We're always early, man. You gotta be early in life.

[Thomas Dopas]

You were actually early to get here also.

[Burner]

Of course. You know what I mean?

[Thomas Dopas]

I wasn't done rolling my joints yet, man. Okay, I just want to start off right now. Since the last time we saw you, been almost two. It's been a little over two years. You've popped out six. Out. Five. Out five projects.

[Burner]

I don't even know.

[Thomas Dopas]

Honestly, I had to look it up.

[Burner]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

Five.

[Burner]

Five.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. You had. Well, I mean, I'm not even counting like collab albums, cuz. You had what with Roy. You had another one with Chowder, right?

[Burner]

No, no, with Mondo.

[Thomas Dopas]

Mondo, you were on. Oh, you were on the COVID with Jody, right? There's a song. That's why I got confused. Yeah. You've dropped five projects in two years.

[Burner]

That's. That's light work. I. I should be at 10.

[Thomas Dopas]

You think so?

[Burner]

Yeah, I used to drop like three or four projects a year, but that was good. It's good.

[Thomas Dopas]

Jesus Christ.

[Mario Neal]

Dude, we told Mozzie, like, you know you got like 20 albums, right?

[Burner]

He's like, what the. You mean?

[Mario Neal]

I'm just going, yeah, man.

[Burner]

That's my dog right there too.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, so it seems like. And we'll get back into the albums, but besides popping out albums, you've also been popping out humans.

[Burner]

Beautiful.

[Thomas Dopas]

Three babies in two years.

[Burner]

Yeah, well, the third one's on the way. Third won't be here in July. But yeah, my son's two, and then my daughter's 10 months. And then our. Another baby will be here in, In

[Thomas Dopas]

July, and then you have your daughter's. Is she going into college right now?

[Burner]

18. She's in college. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy spread there. Like 18, then a bunch of babies.

[Mario Neal]

I'm in the same one. My daughter's going this year. She's about to be a freshman.

[Burner]

Dope. Hell yeah.

[Mario Neal]

But the greatest joy you'll get is on that football field when your son starts making.

[Burner]

Oh, yeah, my God, man, I love my little son.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, I know when time's going by too fast when I see pictures of people's kids that I know and go, that's the same kid. Oh, no.

[Burner]

Yeah, she's moving a little too fast now. Yeah, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Because like my age, I mean, we're almost the same age. I have homies. Like, that's your kid. The guy that's just pumping gas. Oh, man, he has a beard. So old now. They're finally hitting the stage.

[Burner]

Here's some grays.

[Thomas Dopas]

Easy, man. Or some of my homies. Like, wow, you went. You're going bomb. Wow, we're getting old. Oh, my God. Or see, my Grandma just has 93. I just went to his birthday party. 93. And it's. Everyone's scared of my grandpa. He's a scary ass old Mexican, man. And like, seeing him try to blow the candles, he didn't do it. It's like, damn, you used to beat our ass. You should beat everyone's ass. And now we're just whole helping you up the stair. It's. Life's weird, man.

[Burner]

That happens fast, bro. We gotta soak this up, you know?

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. So for. For your babies, are you done? Oh, that means no. If you hesitate, that's it. I mean, you're supposed to say, no, I'm done.

[Burner]

I. I want to be done. But she'll get in my ear like, you don't want another son. I'm like, ah. I just. We have three right now and we, you know, we've been, we've been going back to back for three years. I'm like, let's just chill a little bit way. Like, let's just chill a little bit. Because I feel like if you have more than three babies and it's gonna be hard to get in the proper attention, I feel like, you know, I'm saying, like, I want to be able to give them the right love, the right attention. So I'm like, I'm also kind of old. I'm about to be 43 this year in October. I'm like, I don't really want to be, like, the guy having babies. It's not gonna be there for how long? Like, unless, you know, I can get some crazy ass. Updated in 2029. Yeah, let me download a little extra 20 years. But I think I'm cool off what we have right now. But if it happens, it happens. Yeah.

[Mario Neal]

Would you be down for that? Like, let's say the second wave of, like, the neural link, like, all right, we're going to upgrade you. You'll get 25 years.

[Thomas Dopas]

Perfect.

[Burner]

I'm doing all that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, really?

[Burner]

Yeah. Oh, here's the thing. I feel like. I feel like consciousness is going to be around anyways. I feel like. I feel like we're going to be around longer than we know anyway. So if we can, like, actually do it and be, like, present people we knows live, I think that'd be cool.

[Thomas Dopas]

I just. Ready? Do you like Teslas? Do you like, like, Is it because you don't trust them?

[Burner]

I just don't drive, so I'm gonna give. Enough.

[Thomas Dopas]

You'll drive.

[Burner]

No, I don't drive.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, stop. You don't drive cars ever. Is it because someone's always driving with you, or you're like, I don't even want to drive.

[Burner]

It was a stubborn thing as a teenager. I just want to get high, bro. I don't want to think about driving hurting no one. And. And the few times I drove, I had some shady happen. So I'm like, yeah, I'm just. Probably not for me.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, you're like a New Yorker.

[Burner]

Yeah, I'm like a real New Yorker.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, man. Imagine how much you get done without

[Burner]

having to do San Francisco. And I take Cat. Back in the days, I'd take cabs everywhere. I'd sell working cabs. I pull up in taxi cabs with work in the back. Like, I just. I like to move stealth. And I felt like the city boy. Me didn't want to have a car in front of my place so people knew where I was. I didn't want to.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay.

[Burner]

Worry about crashing. I didn't want to worry about getting pulled over with weight. I'm like, yeah, I just stayed away from cars.

[Mario Neal]

Interesting.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yo, I went. That's what I think. I can get around all over the world, actually. Never have to drive.

[Burner]

Yeah. No, I don't. I like, baby Bash always recalls, like, bro, I remember you used to pull it to my shows, and you just be in A cab. I'm like, that's true. And like, even when I did the nipsey also verse back in the days or when he did the verse me, I pulled up in the cab to downtown. I just like to move solo, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh. Although, you know, now I got stingy drive me, but damn, dude, I. I got a car.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're supposed to have a driver. I don't drive. I drive my own. I feel like I can get more done in the Just doing this.

[Mario Neal]

You're the only one driving the Maybach for sure.

[Burner]

That's when I have my Maybach, I love to sit in the back. It was the best.

[Thomas Dopas]

Did you ever drive it, though? Ever?

[Burner]

Yeah, I drove a ride st his jacket.

[Thomas Dopas]

I think so. Wow, dude, I did not know that about you. You and this full Johnny Shipes. The only people I've ever met that don't drive.

[Burner]

He's trying to. He's copy me, man. He's trying to copy me.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, so you don't drive. You're doing neural link. What happens if you get neural link? It's like, yo, here's the Jeff Gordon link. Now you're a perfect race car driver. You do whatever you want. Are you doing it?

[Burner]

I mean, bro, if they update me to be, like, a savage driver and it is what it is, I guess my next life of my next 30 years will be just driving whips. But.

[Thomas Dopas]

And then. But Also, here's another 40 years. Here's this button. Like, oh, let's go.

[Burner]

I like. I like to just sit back in the back door. I can make a lot of calls and smoke a lot of weed.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's what I'm saying, dude. I mean, I don't smoke weed while I drive. I guess you would say.

[Burner]

You don't.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, not at all. I just don't like to. No, Never in my life. I don't hit bongs while I drive. I don't have a car bong. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Burner]

A car bong is nuts.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's. Have you ever completed a merge with your knee while putting your blinker on while everybody else can't drive? And I feel like a champion.

[Burner]

If someone sees you in traffic doing that, you're a legend.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah.

[Burner]

This kid's here taking bong hits while he was driving.

[Thomas Dopas]

One time, dude, I pulled up on this Beamer, and there's a. Two Armenian kids, the young kids. And these fools were hitting the biggest pookie I've ever seen in my Life. But it had an electric torch under it and they were hitting like a. Like a sandwich sized pookie. Like it was a.

[Burner]

They're smoking rock.

[Thomas Dopas]

They were smoking. Yeah. Right out the car, but in a nice like M4. I've never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen somebody be able to hold that car and keep it and also smoke.

[Burner]

I saw a fool like eating like a full plate of food. Like an actual, like, like an actual glass plate with a fork. And I was like, this was these. We're at the stop. I sitting there eating. I'm like this was having a full on meal. Like maybe like a little plastic to go container or something. I can understand. But guys had like a Thanksgiving Day plate.

[Thomas Dopas]

Not a fork. Not a fork. No, no, no, not a fork. Maybe. Maybe some cereal guys like Dennis Reynolds and Always Sunny. I might hit some cereal, but I'm not going to cut anything for sure. Okay, so you're down with neuralink. Here's a question. I have randomly as fuck AI robots, you know, Amazon jobs. They probably took like 1200 jobs from one city.

[Burner]

Right.

[Thomas Dopas]

I get it. Those robots don't complain and they just keep working forever. I understand. No mistakes, all that. Do you see AI or robots ever being able to take care of a plant the way a human does a plant? Like in the grow? Like yo.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

So these robots.

[Burner]

So let me clarify the neuralink thing. I would only do it if I was like old and decrepit and had a chance like reboot my.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, not like tomorrow.

[Burner]

Nah. If someone said yo, we'll get. I'm not gonna be a test. Test crashed on me for that. Like I'm not doing that. Rather I look good right now. I could still move around. So I'd probably do that if they could like download my consciousness at the end of time. As far as AI goes and the robot goes, could they take care of their plant? No, because I don't feel like they understand taste and smell. Like they're just not really real. So I feel like that's why I'm making babies, dog. Like we have to put more humans out here. They're trying to race our ass right now. It's kind of weird.

[Thomas Dopas]

Sky that dude real.

[Burner]

It's real, bro.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, I don't.

[Burner]

The more we watch says movies like the more like it's. It's really real, bro. It's real.

[Thomas Dopas]

You ever see who's. No thanks.

[Burner]

A wh.

[Thomas Dopas]

No thank you. Know what I like to do? I like to break a little Harder just in front of them just to see if they react. I actually think it's funny. And also, like you said, oh, I've done put work in cabs. If you sell drugs and you are not fucking taking advantage of Waymo or Uber, you're a sucker. That's all I got to say. You got the guy in the front that is a driver. Just go to sleep in the back with fucking two bricks and wake up at your destination.

[Burner]

Right. I feel like. I feel like those have too much technology, though, the Waymo. I just feel like they have too many cameras like that.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, it's in the bag.

[Burner]

Yeah, true. My old school cab with an older man driving is always better, though.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like Ubers, man, because they're down to scam. They're like, give me five bucks, I'll say dropped you off and pay me every time I'm in Vegas, man. Those fools do not care about Uber. They will turn that app off immediately. And I always get a card the second we leave the cab. So, yeah, the Waymos. I feel like that is the ultimate get around town with PAX card. No.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, who pulls over a driverless car?

[Burner]

Anytime you have a driver, it's not yours. You know, you. You're in a better position if you're driving yourself, for sure.

[Thomas Dopas]

But how do you pull over a wayo? I don't think you give a ticket to.

[Burner]

I don't think you can pull over a way.

[Thomas Dopas]

Do they respond to lights if a cop pulls them? You know what I mean? Like, I'm in the back. How can you search me?

[Burner]

Yeah, it's not even my car.

[Thomas Dopas]

Take advantage of this.

[Burner]

He's driving, not me.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, he's your whole whatever system is.

[Burner]

Alberto. Alberto. The system in place.

[Thomas Dopas]

Could you imagine, though? I don't know. I wish I. I don't wish I sold drugs, but no, that. I wish I sold drugs still just so I could do that.

[Burner]

It's got to be tough to sell drugs in 2026, though. I think about all the I did back in the days and how lucky I was that technology was not like going against me. Like, iPhones, all this, the smart TVs, the Ring cameras. You're. If you're trying to do crime in 2026. I'm sorry, y'. All, like, you guys missed the golden era that we came up in. Thank God I was part of the era, but now, you know, we thought we had it bad when I was coming up, but the amount of cameras everyone has now, the amount of device the amount of devices that can listen to people and the amount of snitches outside. It's just, it's all bad if you're selling drugs right now. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

And also like, drugs isn't even that big of a deal to people right now. Like you kids get caught, like right now. You would never get like, let yourself be caught with a sack in school when you were in school. It's over. You have to leave schools. It's over. All connects I made. All the kids I saw. We. Dude, that's over now. Are smoking in the bathroom. No one's getting in trouble anymore. It's a weird time, bro.

[Burner]

It's a lawless time to be alive.

[Thomas Dopas]

Isn't that crazy? I never thought I'd be like, these kids. Like, yo, these kids, they're vaping. Not even the vaping. It's like there's. I mean, I sold cocaine too, but like they're selling, they don't even know what it is. Fools are dying in the bathroom together. It's a weird time. I would never do drugs if I was a child right now.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Kids.

[Burner]

Crazy kids. Just smoke flour from a trusted source. Don't take pills or powders because you know what the it is anymore.

[Thomas Dopas]

Truly. Because how many times you worked out? How many times you got up early dead now because you wanted to do that? Oh, hell no. You know, I would be so mad as a parent, but you know how much money I spent on your ass.

[Burner]

Crazy pissed, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah.

[Burner]

Don't be. Don't be a test. Don't be a test for. For the people putting fentanyl into our country. You don't do that.

[Thomas Dopas]

And the weed too. You got to be careful. You can't get we from everybody, man. Sometimes.

[Burner]

That's why I said trust the source.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. You ever. You got laced before?

[Burner]

One time.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. Young.

[Burner]

Young adult. Young.

[Thomas Dopas]

Where? Why?

[Burner]

Sixth grade. Arizona.

[Thomas Dopas]

Sixth grade.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Wait, why? I feel like I've heard what happened.

[Burner]

Pcp.

[Thomas Dopas]

Me too.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

What's your experience?

[Burner]

Like my experience. I was walking home from school with my boys and there was a guy like in a green belt. It was like a nice like. Like a little area that. For flooding if it floods in Arizona. It's like a weird, like little grassy type area that kind of goes down like it's for. For flood situations.

[Thomas Dopas]

Right.

[Burner]

And the guy was smoking a big ass bong and he's like, you guys want to smoke? Like, sure. And so I'm the first guy go up there and he loads a hit and I go to Hit it. And he like pause. He kind of holds my head while I'm hitting it. So I'm like forced to take a big rip and I blow it out.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's a random man.

[Burner]

It's random. He's like, I wouldn't say he's a man. He's probably like, like 20 or 19 also.

[Thomas Dopas]

Enough to be like, oh, he's an older guy.

[Burner]

Yeah, we're sixth grade.

[Thomas Dopas]

Got you.

[Burner]

So I hit it and he starts laughing and the laugh kind of changes. I'm like, what the was that? I felt weirdness. He's like, bcp. Oh my God. So I was turned like violently ill. I'm hella white. I feel crazy. My eyes look nuts. I'm not feeling well. And I had to go home. I was on the way home. I smoked weed already at that point, so I didn't think it was going to me up that hard taking bong it. But when I got to the house, my mom was like, what the is wrong with you? I'm like, I. I think I smoked some. It was my. The guys in my bed pcp. I tried, I tried to tell her at first I had some bad Chinese food. She's like, what? Where'd you even get Chinese food?

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm like, some bad Chinese. That's why I look scared.

[Burner]

So I look sick and scared. It was some rancid Chinese food that doesn't even exist by our house. But yeah, that was the one time I got drugged. And ever since then I'm like, I'm not gonna do from people I don't trust. I don't know.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, the fact that you told your mom I think I smokes and she didn't go. It's a caring.

[Burner]

She's a good mom, dude. She wanted to make sure I was good. She's like, what?

[Thomas Dopas]

Before you're like, I don't even care if you're high. I'm gonna beat your ass and then check on you. That's my mom.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

See, what a cool way to be able to like y'. All. I can tell you and trust you. I've never had that in my life.

[Burner]

Yeah, when I got caught at school in asses, she came and got my back, pulled me out of school, threatened to go to the school board cuz they discriminating on me and like that. So she always had my back, but she was definitely on my ass about that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Damn, the pcp. Did you ever see that man again?

[Burner]

No. That could. He was like a vagrant pastor. He was like a miss School. He's like a. He's like a magical, magical figure in the middle of that green belt. He's just sitting there with a PCP bong pipe loaded up like, what the.

[Thomas Dopas]

Changed that kid's life. This kid's life.

[Burner]

We ruined this handsome kid.

[Thomas Dopas]

Just what an though, for real. Because if I'm smoking and they go, let me get these kids to hit this too, because I. I live in this ditch.

[Burner]

It was so random. It was so random, bro. He was like, well dressed. He was like. It wasn't like a bum, dude. Like, that's all that was.

[Thomas Dopas]

I was asking you to bong outside.

[Burner]

Bong outside.

[Thomas Dopas]

Early 2000s.

[Burner]

I don't even know what year is, man. It might be 90, late 90s. Who knows?

[Mario Neal]

Yeah, some pennywise just right.

[Burner]

I hope that guy right now is going through some right now. The guy's a pie.

[Thomas Dopas]

That guy's in the. In Congress for sure.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Damn. Smoke a PCP with children and then laughs and then hold your head. That guy's a menace.

[Burner]

Yeah. Why do you hold my head?

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, that guy's a menace, dude.

[Burner]

I'm surprised my boys didn't jump that full.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm glad they were there with you.

[Burner]

Yeah, I know, right?

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, my God.

[Burner]

It got dark, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

So I got a sack that. When you smoked it, did it. Did it not burn right? Did you notice that?

[Burner]

I noticed the taste right away.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's like the smell of chemical.

[Burner]

I noticed the taste. I noticed the feeling in my. In my chest. And also when I blew it out, I was like in a whole different world. It was like. Like a feather.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's a good way to describe it. My head felt like. When shrooms are starting to peak for me, my head will get real light. Like I can't feel my knees and legs. That's how I felt. Like I was floating and I couldn't hit the steps.

[Burner]

Yeah, I was done, dude. I was like a. As a goddamn noodle. But the thing is, like, I'm just glad it happened when I was younger and I knew living my whole thirst in my life. Never take anything from anyone that Unless it's your boys, you know?

[Thomas Dopas]

But even. Even then sometimes, man, I've accidentally dab. You know, when, like, hash gets old, it gets, like, white.

[Burner]

Oh, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Flaky. I dab a whole little. My homies keep his coke in a little past jar all the time because it looks like hash. Cbd. That's what you should say. Like, that's actually pretty smart. You. And I thought it was my hash Jar, you know, old. And I poured it. Nah, that was dab coke. That was cocaine.

[Burner]

Oh.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, I smoked crack before when I was a kid, but not on purpose, but I know what that tastes and smell and feels like. It is not the same as smoking cocaine, dude.

[Burner]

That's nuts. Nuts.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's like. You ever seen Evil Deads? Remember the Evil Dead movies from the 80s? It feels like. Like everything is on two and a half speed.

[Burner]

Like, I remember like a Grimmy going around back in the days. Like, when fools, like, rolled a Coke

[Thomas Dopas]

J back in that too.

[Burner]

I remember one where I smell like a. Like a fresh diaper in there. I'm like, what the hell is. What the. Is this? Like, I'm not hitting that. It's crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

It was all running.

[Burner]

Yeah. If it was shady ass coke js back in the day, it's like, I'm not hitting that. Dude. That sounds crazy. Oh, smell wild. It smelled wild in there, though.

[Thomas Dopas]

It smells like plastic burning to me.

[Burner]

It smell like some. Like a fresh diaper. That's the best way I could have like. Like a weird, like, chemical type. It's weird. I don't know.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, you can smell when fools are cooking in their house. You can walk by and by, oh, that fool does cocaine. He's cooking crack in there. You could. It says a. There's a smell. I don't know. I know we're talking about drugs and. But there's a smell to that.

[Burner]

Crazy. All right.

[Thomas Dopas]

Speaking of drugs. The bay right now, man.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

The babe right now. What the hell's happening to Oakland? To where the Raiders are like, yo, we'll dip. And the age. Like, me too. They took everything. Oakland just got bare bones that in three years.

[Mario Neal]

They lost the Ace.

[Thomas Dopas]

They lost the A's.

[Burner]

I don't know what's happening out there, but, you know, I'll say SF's starting to get cleaned up a little more.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'd like to hear that, because it's not.

[Burner]

It was bad, bro. Like, during the pandemic, like, SF was like a. It was almost like a lobby loading ground, like a movie. It was like. It was like no one cared about anything. People were able to do whatever the they wanted. There was no. There's no nothing. But now it feels like a little cleaner shout out to all the mom and pop businesses starting to come back to life out there right now. So I feel like SF starting to get cleaned up a little bit. I feel like the mayor that was in position prior to the one we have now just sitting. We give A And I feel like California's kind of let go, bro. California in general just kind of let go of us. Like, yeah, these guys let them do what they want. It's like, bro, like, we have children out here. Like, what the hell are you guys doing?

[Thomas Dopas]

Honestly, dude, it's a weird experience. It's like, it's like they want it

[Burner]

to be so they both weird to me about. It's like, God forbid you're selling some packs and making some money, then they're gonna come. It's like you could do all the heroin the street you want. You can shoot, you can rob, you do this and that. I remember at one point, there's hell looting going on, and they're telling you you're on your own. Like, our stores are getting loot.

[Thomas Dopas]

What for the stores, bro?

[Burner]

What warehouse is stores? My boy had to pull a machete out the Cookies SF warehouse. When all that was going on, they. They ransacked the Cookies Ass head warehouse, had guns. They called the cops. Like, yo, they're here, you know, robbing. Like, sorry, you're on your own. My boy came out the full machete and the fools are tripped the out. Like, fools are scared. That fool, he was on some, like, shout out to my boy Reuben. He's a savage, bro. He was not playing games. And I feel like. But if God forbid you get pulled over to 50 packages, oh, you're gonna go to jail. So it's like, if you're doing good, making some money off the. The weird times they had, you're all bad. If you're just causing chaos, you're all good. I don't get it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, like I said, I think it's because the government's like, hey, I want that land in California. Let's make it so shitty that everybody's like, I'm leaving the state this. And then come buy up their land and make it nice again. Because when I was a kid, you had to have 200 bucks to go to San Francisco. You have to have the whole day. You have to have three friends that are willing to go. It used to be a, like, I'm from Merced, like, the city. We're on the city. Oh, I don't have money. I'll eat when we get home. Like, I remember being a kid. Like, I got a dub of weed. We're going to San Francisco. We're gonna walk Hay Street. We're go to the park, and hopefully we find some cool. Like, I remember what it's like, and now it's like, I'M not going to. Are you driving? You want your car broken too? I'm not going.

[Burner]

Here's my question. You get money so you probably understand this. Where the is our tax money going? California. We get taxed the hardest. Out of any other state. You get a million dollar check, you're getting half of that, if not more than half that to the taxes. What do they. Yeah, more than that. What are they doing with my bread?

[Thomas Dopas]

I really think it's between like a good 200 dudes.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

And honestly, if I was in on that, I'd be like, hey, I don't give a. I'm not paying attention. I haven't drove in 20 years. That's how I'd be like. I haven't drove at all. I took a.

[Burner]

Have you ever thought about leaving Cali? Because the taxi.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I love Texas so much.

[Burner]

Yeah, I thought about it. I'm such a Cali boy. I'm such a barrier boy. I'm like, I try to justify myself like I'm paying more than half my revenue to live the lifestyle I grew up living. And I'm comfortable living. But I feel like I'm also like. I'm also about to be 43 years old. I have three kids or four kids now. I don't really want to. I don't really want to give half my money away to anyone. Especially in some shady ass situations like the California seems like like they just left us in certain situations and so I'm like, do we really want to keep just giving money away? I don't know. I have to think about it. But the bay is a special place, man. I don't know if I could live in Texas or like somewhere like that. Reno or something like that.

[Thomas Dopas]

I went to Austin recently. Never been. It was like San Francisco when I was a kid.

[Burner]

But see it was cool while you're there. Is it going to be cool after a month?

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't know.

[Burner]

That's what I'm saying. Like my lifestyle is different though. It's high, I'm sticky, it sounds like

[Thomas Dopas]

merced, but it's 115 out here, dude.

[Burner]

Yeah, but that humidity out there hits different.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I found out this summer when I went in the summer and I hit the sun went, I'm done, dude. I've been in 120 football hell week. This sucks. I was smoking weed and shade. Still rather be in California. That's how hot it was, man. But the taxes over there are incredible. And you know what? I saw houses that are affordable.

[Burner]

Yeah, you could live like a real boy out there. You can go ahead and drop 1.5 in house and be straight. Just. Just chilling.

[Thomas Dopas]

With land.

[Burner]

Yeah, with land. Yeah. Houses I'm looking at that I want for my family are like 7 mil out here. It's ridiculous. It's like, what the.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like those modern farm homes. That's the ones. It's like a family house, even. I don't know, Kids.

[Burner]

And you might have kids or what?

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't know. We're talking about it, dude.

[Burner]

How are you 36? Oh, you're young as. You better pop them out now. Go ahead and make them, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Dude. The last month straight, every single day, we're talking about, like, are we doing this? Are we not doing this?

[Burner]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Because I gotta be honest. I would love 60 more years of hey, what's up, babe? Want to go out of the country? Because we can.

[Mario Neal]

No responsibility whatsoever.

[Burner]

But I'm gonna say, like this. I tell Stingy this all the time. Everything changes when you see a little version of you, whether it be a boy or girl, like, when you. Your whole purpose in life changes. Everything starts to make sense and why we're created. Think about it. Why are we put here? Why do we have the capabilities to produce a version, a better version of ourselves? Why. Why did the universe give us this capabilities to create the all of us? Thank you. And so, like, why not use what we were given? I feel like there's other Mexicans, though.

[Thomas Dopas]

They can make more people look just like me.

[Burner]

If you die without kids, you've avoided the purpose of being here, Man.

[Thomas Dopas]

That doesn't help.

[Burner]

It's just facts.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, you're. You're right.

[Burner]

It's so incredible. You can. You can use what we thought was just fun back in the days to create a beautiful baby. And you. And you see a better version of yourself. I look at myself like, yo, that's me. But swag the out. It's crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

You fit into anything you want. You. That's how I feel. I wish I could wear that jacket.

[Burner]

It's like, you know, like, I feel like we're just we. And I feel like our generations have been dumbed down on purpose to, like, family and making babies. Like, yeah, let's do this. And they're like, man, that AI make babies. Y. You guys should have some babies.

[Thomas Dopas]

Last time a trapper died, now it's a AI make babies.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

I love the titles. Yeah, I. I got ready. I was. Me and my wife when we first started dating, were broken at the first house and, like, it was so hot. There was no central ac. So we moved our room into the living room because all the ACs, vents, things, the swamp coolers were in there. And we'd lay there and go, this is. I could do this. I'm 90 years old. I like, you're my best. Like, this is. This is my best, homie. We chill all day. I'm like, dude, do I want to give this up? And I think of that every night. We've been talking about concern.

[Burner]

You've had 36 years. Do your own thing. Also, here's another thing. Every single time I get in the car, every single time I make a decision whether it be business or if I'm beefing with something, I would say, will this affect my child? So it makes you think different. It's like, okay, I'm gonna get in this car. This guy looks a little dry. I'm not gonna arrive with you. I got a kid to get him to. Oh, this guy's saying some shama nausea. And do that because it could put me in a position. It won't be. I always think different because of my kids. It's a good thing.

[Thomas Dopas]

I feel you. I'm on Final destination with everything, so

[Burner]

I'm like, don't do that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Nope. I'll stay back. That's why I drive myself.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, nah, I'll dodge the logs. Driver doesn't dodge the logs. We're. That's how I feel. But damn it, that's a good argument. If you die with.

[Burner]

Ah.

[Thomas Dopas]

All right, well, a lot of my friends have kids.

[Burner]

I love.

[Thomas Dopas]

I love tail.

[Burner]

When you see a little. When you see a little, Thomas, you're gonna want live 25 more years than you thought you wanted to live 100.

[Mario Neal]

It's a fair point.

[Thomas Dopas]

You know what? I. The only thing that makes me sad, like, real sad, is goes, I can never hot box my car again.

[Burner]

You can, man. You can.

[Thomas Dopas]

You have to say, when they're always with me.

[Burner]

No, you have to have two cars, bro.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like to smoke on all of them.

[Burner]

No, out of the house. We have dad's car. We have mom's car. And the dad's car is for smoking and mom's cars for taking babies around. That's it.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're not wrong. Every one of my friends is exactly what they do.

[Burner]

Exactly.

[Thomas Dopas]

Dude, simple facts.

[Burner]

I'm. I'm even thinking about buying a minivan. Dog. I've been looking.

[Thomas Dopas]

No way.

[Burner]

We got a tribe now. We got three babies. What am I going to do?

[Thomas Dopas]

Just trap or die. I think I'm going to buy a minivan. I love the, the two year difference on this. This is great.

[Burner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

We'll think about it. All right. Ready for me? You started young. You started young as right as Exactly. If I need to go to the store right now, I can. That's what I keep thinking, like if the zombie apocalypse happened, I'm like, shut the up.

[Burner]

Stop crying.

[Thomas Dopas]

They're zombies. Sorry. I just think of all these situations, so I'm.

[Burner]

I'm ready for all that. So if some pops off, you better believe my shit's my house is ready to go. I got, I got legal weapons. I got all kind of things that can help protect it. I. I went crazy. I got like. When this started getting a little weird maybe like a few years back, I got right. So I'm like, my whole thing is like said to him, there's zombies out there. I'm like, yo, sit the back. Dad got this sick. You want to see your dad put on a crazy ass vest, grab this AR15, go to the front window behind the metal plate and just start going nuts up.

[Thomas Dopas]

You know, I've actually been waiting for this. I get jump scared, like. Yeah, I did get scared.

[Burner]

Me too. Yeah, man, you got. I've been ready for it, bro. I got, I got the. I got the house to escape to and everything, bro. With food, water. Hey, do you have food and water stocked up?

[Thomas Dopas]

I got water, but no, I got cans can stuff.

[Burner]

Yeah, I got. I'm good for a year and a half if some pops off. I got, I got dry food, I got water. I got everything you need.

[Thomas Dopas]

Chip alls off and go right back to.

[Burner]

Yeah, so my whole thing is like. And that's weird about. When you have kids, you start thinking different. Like maybe the old me would be like, I. I want a pound of weed. I want this and cash. And now I'm like, okay, I got enough water for about a year. I got enough dry food for about a year and a half. I got Similac. I got everything I need to protect the baby. So I seen what happened in other countries and that shit's just. It's insane, bro. Like, you got to be. You got to be ready to rock, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

But also, all I need is a. A pound of weed.

[Burner]

It's a gun.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'll sell this and get water and food.

[Burner]

But maybe you won't live as long because you only worried about the weed watering yourself. If you have little babies, you're gonna fight harder, dog. I mean, right Marty, that's. Come on, man.

[Thomas Dopas]

You ever see Mr. Deeds? The old man dies rich as on the mountain because he's a badass.

[Burner]

Oh, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's the kind of. That I want. Like, do you see what he did? Yeah, I don't know, guys. We'll see the second person in two

[Burner]

weeks to go, cuz it's time, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Say real thing time, is it?

[Burner]

Yes.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm brown, man. Do I have five years left?

[Burner]

Yeah, of course.

[Thomas Dopas]

All right, then.

[Burner]

Of course.

[Thomas Dopas]

I just feel like I didn't appreciate the past 10 years.

[Burner]

Hey, if I'm still here, man, you definitely got five years left, man.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm saying, do you think I got five years to have kids?

[Burner]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Thomas Dopas]

To live. Do you think I'll be alive?

[Burner]

It's getting deep right now. N. Look, I. I'm 40, about to be 43 in October. I have brand new babies, y'.

[Thomas Dopas]

All.

[Burner]

But you want to do it when you're a little younger, though, I feel like.

[Thomas Dopas]

But also, every guy you ever talk to, you go, my kid's 17. Go one more year and you're done. Why the do I want to be in that. That's in my head. Like, why even doing that?

[Burner]

You know? It's crazy. I'm sure you can relate to it. Me and my daughter got way closer now she's in college, she's 18 now. We talk way more about way cooler things. And I'm just like gaming her up to. To step into position to run one of these businesses. And just as I do, it's tight, so it's pretty cool.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, I get it. About the passing of down of things, generational wealth.

[Burner]

We had enough time to buy jewelry and smoke weed and live the fast life. Doggy, it's over.

[Thomas Dopas]

I live. I do not live. Like people think I'm at my house getting high, watching Seinfeld on the computer, stressing that I didn't get done every day. That's all I do all day. So you want to watch the Officer Seinfeld and stress out. I don't know which one. That's pretty much all day. And then I go, at least at night. I get to hang out with Rosie all night, watch Power Slap and predators get beat up all night. That's what we watch at dinner. Predators get beat up or Power Slap. I love it. But I can't watch that with kids, man. I don't want to watch Coco Melon.

[Burner]

And yeah, I don't let my guy watch Coco Melon.

[Thomas Dopas]

I've never seen it. But I know, it's huge.

[Burner]

I told him, I said, no cocoa melon. He goes, no cocoa. I'm like, no. No coco melon.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, yeah, I do get it because your son does look like you would just like mafia hair.

[Burner]

It's mafia dude. He's mafia dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

He's got some cool hair.

[Burner]

Yeah, he's mafia dude. He's. He got the light dude. But yeah, Cocomelon shading. Only your kids watch it.

[Thomas Dopas]

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[Burner]

Yeah. So I think. I think the one thing that happened was California Highway Patrol pulled up all the worst, and they had zero paperwork. And they came in the store and they put cuffs on everybody and they took all the cash. And my boy, who was in the back, so we're. They're actually painting the back office, right? There's tarps. You know, you play tarps down to protect certain things. He threw a tarp over the safe and games like a little dummy bread. And so they came, they took all the bread, then they left. They uncapped their uncle, uncuffed everybody and just dipped with the money. And we're like, what the was that? It was like a scene out of Training Day movie. Because it's like, they didn't have no paperwork, they didn't take no weed. They didn't say. They came in, handcuffed us, took all the cash, missed the safe in the back, left like, what the. Was that crazy?

[Thomas Dopas]

These jack kids are very brave to impersonate an officer and go, don't ask me for my badge over. I'm just going to cuff you and rob you. That shit's scary, dude. That just happened in one of my homies shops in Hollywood.

[Burner]

This was like, probably like 20, like 10 or so. 2008 or 10 or something like that.

[Thomas Dopas]

See, that was. That happened back then, but this happened two months ago.

[Burner]

Yeah, that's just.

[Thomas Dopas]

Whoa, dude. With a license. With a license. I don't know. So the raids, I've seen. I've seen many of my homies go through. I've seen many. And like you said earlier, people getting robbed in the bay. Do you remember maybe 20, 22, Sacramento to the bay. Every major warehouse is getting hit with, like 60 dudes plus.

[Burner]

Yeah. Yep.

[Thomas Dopas]

And no help. I don't know if you know this party, but baby, my homie baby that fool showed me, like, they. You have to defend it like the Alamo.

[Burner]

You should have seen how they're doing. I'm not gonna say what store, but one of my stores, I'm not gonna bust no one out. When that was happening, they pulled up in a caravan in one of our stores. And there's. My guys are savages. They're on the roof, military weaponed up, lights on fools like, they're, like, ready to rock. And I gotta give props to my partners for that because they're about to come hit our. And I was like, man, I remember seeing videos of them on the roof like somebody Straight sniper, dude. And it was crazy as I know one of our old facilities, we're not. We weren't there anymore, but we had a facility in Oakland. We moved out of there way before this happened. Probably like four years before this happened. But I heard that that facility ended up getting robbed by that 60 car caravan type. There was a full on shootout. Fools are bucking at each other. Some fools died. Like it was crazy. Which one you're talking about? Yeah, Edgewater.

[Thomas Dopas]

A lot of people died. Like almost 10 people died crazy. Not really in the news.

[Burner]

Crazy is no one talks about, but like we're living through some crazy, bro. Like to see my partners with military grade rifles and scopes and vests and like what the. Are we living through this for some weed? There's police everywhere.

[Thomas Dopas]

What the is going on? Yeah, do not. The videos I saw, they just came down the street. Like the warriors all walking down the middle of the street. Like 60 dudes with just guns and Matt and like little mess walking down the middle of the road.

[Burner]

You know what's crazy? I heard that the reason why that was happening is because you know when you have a cultivation license like that, it's made public in the state of

[Thomas Dopas]

California, everybody knows where to go.

[Burner]

Yeah, like thank you for the treasure hunt.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's all purpose though.

[Burner]

Yeah, for sure.

[Thomas Dopas]

This past seven years it's like, who can wait it out? Who can survive the taxes? Who can survive getting knocked off? And then if you can't, we'll buy you out and then we'll take over your company. It's a big business, dude. It has to be. Because how is this happening where you can't write off any expenses? What is it, the 85, 280, 280E. That shit's crazy. So you guys experience that with the rescheduling that stops. But that hasn't gone through yet.

[Burner]

I doubt it will go through.

[Thomas Dopas]

Ah, I think so. Before it's made fully legal.

[Burner]

I mean, I don't know why they haven't. They did. Dude said he was gonna go through and I haven't seen no one signing to. And when they. Even when they sign it in, it's probably gonna take some time to implement. So I feel like, man, they don't give a. They just take. They're raping all the weed businesses.

[Thomas Dopas]

So for everyone that doesn't know we're talking about in the cannabis industry or any other industry, labor, materials, everything is a write off light bill everything because it's part of your business. That's the way America works. But in the weed, you can't write one thing off.

[Burner]

You cannot write anything, any kind of cost of business off. No employees, no rent, no light bill.

[Mario Neal]

So you're being taxed on every dollar you make, basically.

[Thomas Dopas]

Taxed with. And then getting taxed again, basically. You can't survive.

[Burner]

This was set up for failure. Like, they don't want to see people actually succeed. They don't really want to see people strive. They're like, let them think we is legal. Let them fail. Let them forget about it.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's a really good way.

[Burner]

That's some, like, real CIA.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's exactly what they're doing too.

[Burner]

Mental warfare.

[Thomas Dopas]

And then now when people are getting that chs. You've seen that. No, you see people getting, like, sick from weird or getting high. You're like, oh, I get. I throw up. I have to get in the shower. I felt like. I feel like that is not weed. It is a CIA thing. And I think it's. That goes in the nutrients that when they made it legal, go, hey, these things are legal. These things are not. And then they own those companies, go, well, all the that's legal is.

[Burner]

Well, I ain't gonna lie.

[Thomas Dopas]

Itchy. I get lives.

[Burner]

I know a lot of people. I've never seen someone throw up or have to jump in the shower.

[Thomas Dopas]

Me neither.

[Burner]

I'm just being honest. I. I go all around the world. I smoke weed with everybody. I'm in social class. I'm in. I've never seen it happen to anyone. I've heard it's happened to people, but I feel like. Were they smoking spice or something?

[Thomas Dopas]

I used to get real nauseous.

[Burner]

Really?

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, man. I would get so sick. But that's when I was smoking straight slabs of shatter.

[Burner]

Yeah, well, that's different.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're mostly shattered. I'm smoking a lot of packs from Santa Cruz. I was getting them and I was getting. When I would take a dab, I would feel like. Like when you're hungover, like, I'm gonna throw up again. I would feel like that I would get like. Feel like I'm getting spinny, but I think it's some from dirty.

[Burner]

Yeah, it's probably dirty. You probably taking hot dabs too. It's probably hot.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yes. This is the titanium days.

[Burner]

Yeah, for sure. That's. That. That hurt a lot of people. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

But then like three years later, with the hardcore, when they used to do

[Burner]

the hardcore OG do people still smoke titanium?

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I. I mean, maybe in the, like the Midwest.

[Burner]

Maybe like Russia or something.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. Or, you know, when people are like, I don't care. Weeds, weed. I don't. Midwest. You guys know what I'm talking about. You have a cousin that does that. It's. They have the. The big torch, those guys. The guys that, like, work on cars still.

[Burner]

That was serious. Them hot nails are serious, too. I've seen a lot of people fall out from that. That's the one thing I will say. The hot dab days did take people down. But, like, weed in general? I don't think so.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. So it's definitely not the plant. It's been going on for a million years. No one's ever been like, yo, I gotta take a cold shower. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it's just. It's just the chemicals and with the rescheduling. That's really sad to hear that. It's like, I don't think it's gonna happen.

[Burner]

Like, I don't think so.

[Mario Neal]

Have you been dabbing more with kids?

[Thomas Dopas]

Nah.

[Burner]

I did. When Logo was, like, first born, I was, like, taking, like, a little puff. Go, like little rips on the balcony like that. But I like my j. I'm like, oh, man, I like this. Babysit my jazz. Go outside and just handle that and come back in real quick. Yeah.

[Mario Neal]

Yeah.

[Burner]

But yes. You know, the one thing has changed a lot, though. No smoking in the crib.

[Mario Neal]

That's his whole issue. I think that's the crux of it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Wow.

[Burner]

Now if grandma's in town and the kids are downstairs in the guest room with the grandma chilling, I'm in my room, my girl. We're watching a good show. I'm like, pop open the window in the door. I'm gonna blow one real quick and air it out. But otherwise, that's reasonable. Otherwise, not really, though. I'm not blowing it down all through the house. You can't.

[Mario Neal]

These days are over. You're finished.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay.

[Burner]

That's what you're saying.

[Thomas Dopas]

I gotta be honest. The day I moved into my apartment when I was 18 and went, I'm gonna box this place. And I did for three years straight until I moved.

[Mario Neal]

I've smoked in my house, like, twice. I felt like DMX and belly. I kicked back.

[Burner]

See, that was it, though.

[Thomas Dopas]

I feel like dmx. And remember, I talk about the. The jacket. Remember the. The blunts?

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

The day I got my apartment on Park Avenue. And when I was. When I. Right when I turned 18 to go, hey, it wouldn't been 21 yet. You could buy cigarettes at 18. And I got. I know. You know, there's a picture of the jacket right here. He's got like eight swishers in the. In a hat.

[Burner]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

I redid that picture on Instagram. I was like, yo, finally out. It was a picture I took when I was 18.

[Burner]

The jacket.

[Thomas Dopas]

What are you busting out?

[Burner]

I just want to find some tasty. I'm like a little stubborn, snobby guy. I like to smoke a bunch of different weedy these days.

[Thomas Dopas]

How. What's your technique on not taking dabs from people you look at and go, that's dog. I don't want to be rude or not even that we. How hard? Because you know what I do? I do this. I hold the smoke in my mouth. I don't.

[Burner]

I'm a lot more honest these days. I say, you know what? I'm good because I don't share with people. So that's. Oh, okay, man. I got. I go home and kiss my babies. I don't know where you been, buddy. I don't know where you been. You might have been on some last night.

[Mario Neal]

That's fair.

[Thomas Dopas]

At P. Remember I said I can't smoke cuz Rosie gets sick. Cuz she does get sick every time I go somewhere. So, I mean, I guess it's like a policy.

[Mario Neal]

You tell everybody the same.

[Burner]

Your boss, your boss. I don't share with people. Sorry. Have my own. I'll roll one for you though. That's what I say. Here, you go ahead and light that up.

[Thomas Dopas]

All right. I like that. That's cool. I start rolling around with buckets of weed. That's the literal. Yeah, literal buckets of weed. You got enough those. I mean, I might be fat or high, but those look like those old frozen lemonades.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Remember those cups?

[Burner]

Yeah. Exactly what it is. Okay.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's what I'm seeing. I like the blue.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

The transparent blue.

[Mario Neal]

What's been the most popping strains of 2026 so far?

[Burner]

I think that's open and shit's hella buzzing. I haven't tried it yet.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay.

[Burner]

I haven't tried it yet.

[Thomas Dopas]

What's going on with that?

[Burner]

I want to see it. I want to see it.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, I'm saying there's cons. I don't pay attention to anything. There's hella people butt. Butt hurt. There's people butting heads. I literally wrote it down last night. Put all the toe venoms against each other in the video cuz I only knew one person that had it.

[Burner]

And that was funny. It reminds me of some that happened back in the days about what?

[Thomas Dopas]

Wedding cakes, everything.

[Burner]

Cookies and gelato just like bro, look, you guys got to pop a strain. Embrace it. Don't like he isn't have he like just live life. Whoever got it, people know because it's going to be smoking good.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's whoever's. Thank you. Whoever smokes better wins, right? And who gives a. I feel like with the industry, I wasn't even gonna bring it up, but there's a lot of negative. I think the new for TV and life is drama and the new and then it spilled to the weed where drama sells.

[Burner]

And someone said, someone said the best thing the other day. Someone said this app should be called Argue. All people do is dogs here. I'm like pro. Like look at the other day. The weed industry has been emotional for a long time. People love to talk, people love to hate on everyone. Look, I'm gonna say it like this. We're alive. If you're getting money, be happy. If you got a strain that has motion, be happy. If you got a brand has motion, be happy. The more time you spend worrying about another man, the less time you spend worrying about your brand. Game 101. I don't give a about anyone. I'm not worried about anyone. When I see people dope, hey, congratulation, big props. I keep shouting out to open them because I see they're popping. I've never it seen, seen it. I don't know anyone that that's behind it. I've never smoked it. But I'm congratulating people as a so called big dog. I'm like, yo, that got motion is coming across my desk multiple times. So be like that. Check this out.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's not easy for people, man. That's all. It's not easy for some people.

[Burner]

That's the Ridgeline Lance Times blueberry caviar right there.

[Thomas Dopas]

This, this container, this is a sick ass container, dude. Yes.

[Mario Neal]

Last time you were here you were talking about basically going like state to state and how you had this model of setting up the shops and like, like turning them into like cookie shops. And city to city, has it still been rolling out like that?

[Burner]

Yeah, you know, I think it's 20, 26. I want to focus on less, less stores because it's hard to control. I want, I want to focus on less partners because it's hard to control. I really want to find the best of the best, rebuild this from, from the bottom all the way up, you know, Like I feel like we know what we did wrong. We know what we did right, if we expanded way too fast and we trusted way too many people with our genetics and with our brand. And I feel like, you know what? Let me go back and look at everything right now. Let's see who's really killing it. Let's see who's not. Let's go find people we didn't think about parting with before. I got so many new menus right now, bro. The new Gen X we have are insane. They need to be delivered to the world, right? So my whole thing is like right now in 2026, less is best. Where do you prove we can go the fastest? Where you prove we could be the biggest. But sometimes the biggest is not the best. But sometimes you have to plant your flag in order to make sure people know that you are first in certain markets and like that. So it's a blessing and curse the way we expanded. But now I understand what I did wrong. And I, and I talk about in my book, sometimes you have to learn the hard way, and that's going to be by failing at certain things. But there's certain things that we did right. There's certain things we did wrong. So now I'm just gonna go ahead and do that. And I feel like I'm not ashamed or I'm not embarrassed to talk about that. Like some people, like, no, we're the best, bro. Look I up in certain areas. I'm gonna go ahead and fix it. And that's the best way I could say right now in 2026, coming off the I just been through, that's what I'm about to do.

[Mario Neal]

You're an entrepreneur. It's gonna have its ebbs and flows

[Burner]

and we're gonna make it all based on new menus. I don't know if you saw I had. I want you to come to the next one. So I'm actually gonna do this tasting in about a week or so. But I had all the big dogs I had preferred come through. I had blueprint come through.

[Thomas Dopas]

I saw you posted.

[Burner]

Yeah, I had, you know, Skittles boys had, you know, everyone that. That somebody come through. Not everyone, but a good amount of somebody's in the game came through to taste the new Gen X. I'm gonna do that again with the blueberry caviar line I have right here. I was all about just letting people know we're still working and we've been breeding for three years, dude. You know, I'm saying head down, breeding a bunch of new. So I'm saying I'm about all about introducing menu the right way. This is right crazy right here.

[Thomas Dopas]

That. So that's a blueberry caviar in that, Lance?

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

What? This has like the gelato look. What is this? Do you put up the cross like exactly what the blueberry cabinet?

[Burner]

Yeah. So blueberry caviar is a. It's a ridgeline Lance. And a grape gas. And the blueberry smell just came from out of nowhere. I don't really know. I just. This is the one right here though. This shoe right here is insane. I've been holding this. I'm trying to contemplate. If you smoke right now, I should save it to show whiz. I told Wiz.

[Thomas Dopas]

I think you should save and show them.

[Burner]

All right, well, I'll find another one as well. But this one right here, this is

[Thomas Dopas]

the one you were talking about actually.

[Burner]

Right there. Ready to enter a couple cups with that one right there.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, the Bernie. Oh, I remember eating the Bernie.

[Burner]

How to cookie Bernie honey butter times sometimes blueberry caviar.

[Thomas Dopas]

This is the one I tried right at your show.

[Burner]

Yeah, but not that one though. That's a brand new cross. That shit's just icy and smells good and crazy as I was just.

[Thomas Dopas]

See, I love selling. Even if like I just. I don't know, I just look at this and go, damn. I. I can. I used to make like 60 bucks off this.

[Burner]

You know, I tested the waters recently. I just want to see like in the weekend. It's good. Prices are going down hard right now. In the Wii game. We got people selling pounds for 600 bucks. Right? And I'm like, I haven't sold weed in years because I'm like, I can't. I got a big brand and you know, I'm focused on this and that. Like, you know what? Let me, let me just test the waters real quick. Let me just see if the prices are really, really down the way they say they are. Because sound a pound for 600 bucks to just peer out. Disrespectful. Did we get him? I'm sorry. And people are oversaturated product and feel the need. Just go ahead and bust off. How cheap? I sold less than a pound. 356 grand for $20,000.

[Thomas Dopas]

What? Oh, you mean broken down.

[Burner]

Broken down.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Burner]

Four grams for 200 bucks.

[Thomas Dopas]

$50 a gram, bro.

[Burner]

Listen, I just. It was the way, the way I did it was like, look who and

[Thomas Dopas]

where and how and who.

[Burner]

So.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yep.

[Burner]

I. I just said, you guys want to be the first to ever taste blueberry Caviar.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, that's smart, right? That's smart.

[Burner]

And I did it as a meet and greet, right? And it was a mean greet with, with the 4 grams for 200 bucks and that like that you could. I couldn't even. I couldn't even. I couldn't even take more people. So my whole point is like this. If you put respect on your pack and you got something that no one's ever seen before, and it's incredible by bag appeal, taste and smell and high, and you respect your pack, you'll get some bread off it. Oh, 600 pound. Shit's lazy. I'm sorry, y'. All. Y' all being lazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, I found some cheap weed. I've seen it.

[Burner]

I don't watch.

[Thomas Dopas]

I've been buying the. I've been buying like the head. I feel like, I feel different, dude. I used to sell weed, not spend 80 on weird eighths. 100 bucks on a weird eight. You know what I mean? That, that's me. I just stopped two weeks ago. I was spending like 1500 bucks trying different eights. And that's. I feel like you said it's disrespectful the week. It's disrespectful to like 20 year old me to spend that much money on weed and not sell it and get it for free. It's just weird to me. Sorry.

[Burner]

Yeah, I feel like, I feel like people are just amazing, man. I feel like everyone's just kind of giving up on. On the Wii game. Selling for hella cheap is crazy as to me.

[Thomas Dopas]

But also on the other side, people are taxing more than ever on certain. Like certain packs are going for so high. What's the most expensive zip you've seen? Like, people say, hey, have you tried that? How much is it?

[Burner]

I just like that thousand dollar zip going around.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, but I tried that third eye. That was 1600 for a zip, bro.

[Burner]

I'll buy one, just see what it is.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's exactly what I did.

[Burner]

I'm like, let me. All right.

[Thomas Dopas]

About four different quarters, man.

[Burner]

The thing is, when you really sell weed, right, you appreciate different people's hustles. And so I would buy one, just see what they got.

[Thomas Dopas]

Completely veganic, only less than a pound of each flavor type of thing. I'm like, all right. Less than a pound of each flavor. 15 flavors, four different. Go for four different dudes in their spot. Okay. This is some real boutique. I gotta be honest. It was really good. I smoked too much weed to spend that much money.

[Burner]

It's not possible. Crazy. I'm at the, I'm at the. I want you to come up for the blueberry.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I like this one.

[Burner]

It's crazy. I want you come up for the blueberry caviar tasting. You should come too brother. Fly up to the damn sure next week. Yeah, probably like in a week or so we'll taste all these some other players but like you should really come up to Humboldt county, dude and see what we're doing up there.

[Thomas Dopas]

Funny. He's just telling we should go up there.

[Burner]

So I. We have a breeding facility up there, right? All we do is reverse things, pollinate things, hunt for things and like it's just really cool to see like I haven't really brought many people up there but it's like, it's like a baby. It's like a baby. Like. I don't know how to describe it. It's like the best incubator ever. It's like breeding projects, pheno hunts. We have greenhouse, we have indoor, we have full term, we have our nursery or tissue culture there. We have.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh damn.

[Burner]

We do everything in one spot. Like I'm really proud of it because we spent about seven years building it

[Thomas Dopas]

and the compound or this is the other spot.

[Burner]

This is not this other spot. This is where we develop our new right. So it's like it's just cool to see like and you know, get on some man.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, I'm down.

[Burner]

Come develop something for yourself man. Come smell some things. See, see what we got in the works. Come find some for yourself man. So you're going to get one of these regrows to grow some for you. Like yo, this is my go for me and give it back to me at a good price.

[Thomas Dopas]

Be awesome. I just want people. But hey, here's all the weed.

[Burner]

Roll it.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's my new like can you roll a bunch of hash holes? Cuz I roll hash holes and the hole's always like this. It's never down the middle. Dude, it pisses me off.

[Burner]

I'm going to start. I'm going put this right. I'm getting starting to nerd out here. My bad.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're fine. Awesome.

[Burner]

Want to find one to roll up? I. I've been carrying around this little box. I could I. A goddamn little treasure. Little treasure box.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, okay. So let's talk about it. Let's get into it. Since last time you've been here, you added another, I guess another category to what you do so. Because now you're New York Times best selling author.

[Burner]

This for you, buddy. I'm assigning. Yeah. New York Times bestseller is crazy as hell, bro.

[Thomas Dopas]

To Walter White. What the.

[Burner]

And, like, the thing is, like, my guy was. I was very bullish on getting out. Mike. Y' all want to be a New York Times bestseller? He's like, it's your first book. Don't be so. Don't be so set on that, because if it doesn't happen, I want you to be upset. I'm like, nah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna hit it now. I pushed really hard, bro. I went really hard with just, like, going to bookstores, Fucking. Yeah. Where's your picture? Yeah. Going to bookstores, making, like, little clips from the audiobook. I read the audiobook myself, which is very difficult. I don't really read like that, even though it's my words. It's kind of tough to read. 6 hours and 44 minutes. But I feel like, man, he called me yesterday and was like, man, look, I haven't got the list yet. You did such a great job, man. You sold X amount of books. That's huge. I don't really know if you're gonna hit the list. And so just don't be discouraged. I was like, all right. That's pretty bummed out. Started making some music. I'm in the studio, smoke, smoked, like, probably four or five J's back to back. I was loaded. Got a call. I didn't pick it up because I was kind of mad. I was like, pick it up. He text me, can you call me? I'm like, call him back. He said, you hit the list.

[Thomas Dopas]

So what?

[Burner]

He's like, you hit the list. Oh, he's like, bro, it's huge. It's the hardest list in the world to get on as Arthur. And you hit it on your first book. I. That's.

[Thomas Dopas]

And you wrote this. That's why I asked you earlier, before we started. Most people like, yo, let's do an interview, right? Let's do an interview. We'll write the book in your own words. But you wrote this, you said in your notes, over the course of years.

[Burner]

Yeah. No, in two weeks.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, in two weeks. Oh, it was. I thought you meant, like, you've been taking notes of stuff to, like, build a book. So you really just wrote in your

[Burner]

notes and then transfer it over chapter one through ten. You see right here, right? And just like, look at how ghetto this is, dog.

[Thomas Dopas]

Just like, look at this, bro.

[Burner]

Like, look at this.

[Thomas Dopas]

Ghetto is a great work. This is how I do.

[Burner]

Look at. This is the chapter six right here. 12 scrolls already in my own. And I'm still going right in my own words, right? I wrote it like this. And then what I do is I send it to the publisher and then there's a. There's a guy shout out to my boy Dave. There's my boy Dave. We get what I wrote and correct the grammar and. And correct like spelling because I don't know how to spell for. And then he'd like this. He'd be like, you know what? Okay, this is perfect. I want to know more about this. Can you give me another story about this specific. Cool. I typed that up. Santum. He's like, okay, cool. That's. We're just missing one more thing. Tell me a little more about this. Cool. Type that up. We're done. Chapter is done. Cool. Let's move on. So it was really cool. And I feel like Brock cannot wait to write another book because this one's like a little more focused like on my story. Is it, you know, come up and the business lessons I've learned. I want to go expose some now.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, okay.

[Burner]

I'm ready to write a book like that.

[Thomas Dopas]

So this is the autobiography, basically?

[Burner]

Kind of. Yeah, it's like kind of like a business. Like a business memoir, I feel like

[Thomas Dopas]

autobiography slash how to. Because it says the billion dollar blueprint to be a whale in a sea of sharks.

[Burner]

Yeah, big whale.

[Thomas Dopas]

We just had that guy, John Tafer on. The guy from bar rescue. I didn't know.

[Burner]

I think he's on the list too.

[Thomas Dopas]

I didn't know what this things is. He's done. I just thought he was on bar rescue. You no, this is he on the list. This is the type of. That he's.

[Burner]

He say he had a book coming out too, or.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, he has three books out.

[Burner]

Let me see. I think he was on the same list I'm on right now. Let me see.

[Thomas Dopas]

He has three books out, that guy. I. I didn't know, dude. I didn't realize how many facets you could really have. Just. I thought he was just a TV personality.

[Burner]

No. You know who's the number? You know who's right below my. My charting? Charlie Kirk.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, damn. Right below. Yeah, the weed. The weed. You know what say what you say about Charlie Kirk? He has good points, he has bad points. His only point that I saw that. I mean, I haven't seen everything. He had a terrible outlook on weed. Well, that's the only thing I go, I don't know. That was a bad.

[Burner]

Look, here's the thing.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, other shitty said too, but

[Burner]

I don't really know much about dude. I just know he was probably the most present name in the game right now. That guy can.

[Thomas Dopas]

Probably would have been the president, honestly.

[Burner]

And my whole thing is like, with that kind of press and whatnot, to be able to be on the New York Times best selling list like below you. I'm right here.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, let's go, baby.

[Burner]

This real, you know what I'm saying?

[Thomas Dopas]

Damn, dude.

[Burner]

You check out the chapters too. I'm going to show you how I did the book, like go before. Each chapter is an image that kind of describes the world you're about to get into. All right, so it's like I thought this out a little bit more than just like a.

[Mario Neal]

The pattern on the COVID looks sick.

[Thomas Dopas]

As I was trying my best look it.

[Burner]

So each chapter has like an image kind of describing what war against you. Kind of like Ozark.

[Thomas Dopas]

Did you come up with all the pictures?

[Burner]

My boy Jeremy Fish, he. He did all the images, but like, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, that's what I was talking about. The Hemp Center. That's the place you started, right?

[Burner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

So I would do that because other people, not because you told me to work there.

[Burner]

When you. When you're reading the book, like, you get to see what you're about to get into. So I feel like my goal was like, to have people come, have their favorite chapter sign, you know, on. On the image. Like that. That's cool.

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't know if I ever told you, did I? I think I might have, but I thought it was funny because people know, you know, I just tell stories and so people remember. I have a story from like six years ago, right, Where I talk about like the first time at the Catalyst doing. Getting in the 21 and up session when I was like 16 years old. And I posted you at your concert a couple, maybe like two months ago. Remember I saw you downtown and you gave me that Was it Bernie how to butter Cookies, right? Is that what you call it?

[Burner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

And you handed me a nug and I was like, all right, yeah, I'll roll it up. And I posted it and I had like 200 people like, damn, dude. It's like your story, but. But like 20 years later. Exactly 20. So 20 years ago, man, I was at the Catalyst and so fresh down the street. Yeah, they always do the meet and greets. Mad and Jack, they always do the meet and greets. And my sister and her roommate ran Streetlight right next door. You know, he was the manager of street Light. So I'm the little brother. But, yo, don't. Don't let him wait in line. Like, oh, yeah, Thomas. What's up, little brother? Shereen. And you know Ralph. So I always skip the lines, like, for the Jack. When Hustle just got out of prison. That show at the Catalyst, I was at the meet and greet. I was at every one of those Jay Stallings new dropped. I was at everything. I was upstairs. They let me in the 21 and up section with my homie Jeeves. And I'm sitting there, we're looking at each other like, no way they let us up here. You know what I mean? Like, you got to break the rules. I'm like, no, I got one Blunt rolled. This is gonna be sick. And it was a Jack, a concert. And I remember Jay Stalin walked by me, went, what the. You know, I'm a little kid. Like, damn, he's smaller than me. No way. I don't know. I was a little guy, too, but I was like, no way, Jace Dolan. And then Jack comes up to me, goes, hey, you want to meet Burner? Go shut the up. That's all I remember saying. Like, yeah, right. You know, stay right here. I go, there's no way this full brain Burner up here. And then you walked up. You know, what's up, man? Go shut the up. What's up? He goes, I got one nug left, man. But it's for you guys. I went, what? He's like, something called new cherry pie. And you gave me one nugget Cherry pie. It has this look. That look.

[Burner]

That's crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

We took it home. We didn't smoke it. And we're in my friend's kitchen like this. Like, do we frame it or smoke it? And we smoked it in the worst way.

[Burner]

We don't do a swisher.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm like, let's smoke this weed. Should we keep the stem? I mean, we're talking about, like, this gave us a nug.

[Burner]

Cherry pie was big back dude, too.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's. That's not before. You hadn't talked about it yet. Oh, no. You talked about it on an album. And I'm like, this is what he's talking.

[Burner]

Was I performing there? I was just chilling.

[Thomas Dopas]

You were chilling?

[Burner]

Ah, fire.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, because you can't. You came up to the top 21 and up section. You know how the Catalyst wraps?

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Around. So you went back there, and I think Andre Nicotina was there also.

[Burner]

Crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. I just remember that one time, like, dude, they let Us up there. What the. And then we got some weed and blew our minds, dude.

[Burner]

That's right. I did give you some Bernie hound and butter times cookies. That's another good one. The Bernie's been a good breeder, but yeah, the blueberry caviar Bernie is next. It's like a tasting a blueberry waffle cone.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's like that's this one right here, right?

[Burner]

That's just regular blueberry caviar.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, damn. How many crosses? Hell, I don't know.

[Burner]

Yeah, and so basically the way we do is like you find you. We do like different lines. Like basically the last line we did was the palm shake line, right? Everything was palm shake times, whatever. This one's all blueberry caviar. So you have blueberry caviar times, santrope times, pruno times Bernie, Hana butter times, like all the different kind of things, right? But the blueberry caviar is the theme, right? The next one we're gonna do is sandrope, then cookies. So it's just cool, you know what I'm saying? But that's, that's what right there, that's what we hit to everything in this box. So that's, that's the one right there. Blueberry caviar. Super good.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, so with cookies. And let's go back to that real quick. With cookies. I saw some of the news because you have partners, right? So you're saying you're kind of you. So you know what you messed up on so you know how to restart that. Are you saying that in the terms of like you don't have partners anymore?

[Burner]

I can't really talk about like that. Just like it's been a long battle for the brand to restart.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's a refresh.

[Burner]

It was, it's been a three year, three to five year fight, I feel like. And like people just try to take control of the brand and like. And during that time I had less influence than I do now. Let's just put like that. So I had to like do certain things to make certain people happy. But now I have a little more freedom to do what I want to do, if you know what I mean. So it's a long story, but it's been a crazy ass battle.

[Thomas Dopas]

Next book.

[Burner]

Big lawsuits. There's a lot of that in here, in this. But we won some and we're waiting to win some. And we won 25, we won $23 million in one of our lawsuits. And these won't pay us anything. Matter of fact, the interest is 10 and we sorry. Went into like almost like 25, 26 million dollars. So it's like people are trying to start me out right now. They know by more lawsuits and by not paying the. That the judge ordered them to pay. They're hoping I just kind of fall out, but it's not gonna happen. It's wild legal, bro. It's not. I said, I don't know how you lose a lawsuit in court and have to pay someone $23 million you just avoid paying is insane to me. I understand that.

[Thomas Dopas]

I would like to know what loophole that is because I would like to

[Burner]

know too, because do that I'd be afraid not to pay people some mile.

[Thomas Dopas]

I thought they would take all your stuff.

[Burner]

I don't know, man.

[Thomas Dopas]

Right.

[Burner]

Wild, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

All right, well, that's. That's not what I expected to hear.

[Burner]

But yeah, like, so basically I, I guess the more simple way to say is I do have a lot more control over certain things right now. And it's all based on quality and new menu. That's all I want to do. I just want to bring quality menu to the country. That's it.

[Thomas Dopas]

To the country.

[Burner]

What a thing to say to the world.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, yeah. Cuz you're in. You're in your international brand. Aren't you guys in Thailand?

[Burner]

Yeah. Shout out to my partners in Thailand growing fire. And it's really cool when you start thinking about the international weed business because you can grow weed in Thailand, sent to Canada. You can grow weed in Canada and send to uk. You can send. You can grow. We in Thailand, send to Germany, like legally. So you know the uk.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, they have shops.

[Burner]

Yeah, there's shops. There's medical shops out there now.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, man, I didn't know that.

[Burner]

Yeah. So right now I'm really excited about like just the international side of our business because that again, I didn't have much control over before, but now I'm kind of finding all the right people to. To do the right thing. So I appreciate people being patient with me. People understand, like, look, dude, in business things will change sometimes and it's changed for the best.

[Thomas Dopas]

And this is a whole quality rebrand is what you can say.

[Burner]

I like to say I just, I'm able to focus on the things I wanted to focus on since day one, which is new menus and quality weed. When you take money from people, there's agendas. We got to hit ebitda. We have to do this. We have to do it. I get it. You took money. I get it. But things played out the way they did. And now I'm in a position to really focus on what really makes sense to me, which is new menus and quality.

[Mario Neal]

How much of your day to day are you, like, hands on with the growing?

[Burner]

All day. All day?

[Thomas Dopas]

Yes. 24, 7. Yeah, but see. All right, question for you as like a normal human, how do you balance this with kids?

[Burner]

So I wake up like around like, like 5:36. But I like to wake up. I wake up early. I got up to. Around like, like 4:45.

[Thomas Dopas]

You went to bed at one man. Yeah, I get to be entire thing, but like also everyone on a different.

[Burner]

I run on a different kind of energy, though. I'm like. I just stayed up. I almost died. Full almost died. So I'm excited to be alive every day.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, so. All right.

[Burner]

But I wake up early, I go chill with the babies, and I. I hang out with them for breakfast and whatnot. Then I go to work from like, let's just call like 9am to about 3pm I come home, show the babies, play. I give them their bath, hang out with them till they go to bed. Then I'm on my phone, so I pass out. So I do it like that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay.

[Burner]

Yeah, it was tough, you know, being on tour for the two months. And then like, I wanted to travel, do biz. Like right now I'm out here, but I just give as much time as I can. My son says dad is a working man. That is a rapper. He's a working man.

[Thomas Dopas]

You say that already.

[Burner]

Oh, what? Yeah, he's just driving. He was trying to drive my girl's car right now, so he wants to take it to the car wash. Is

[Thomas Dopas]

your son two years old? Damn, you guys must be talking to his ass all day then.

[Burner]

Yeah, he talks a lot. He's smart. But he knows his dad's a working man.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's cool. All right. I like that. Oh, man, I love those little. Oh, cool. Instantly. Wow.

[Burner]

That tastes.

[Thomas Dopas]

That tastes blueberry. Ish.

[Burner]

It tastes like a blue baddie.

[Thomas Dopas]

Blueberries this year.

[Burner]

Right here is nice.

[Thomas Dopas]

And which one is that?

[Burner]

This I. My ass. I didn't take a note from what it was. It was a blueberry lance.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'll roll one for you, Marty. And I'll roll for me.

[Burner]

That was a blueberry lance. This. This right here tastes crazy. I'm actually gonna put this for a little bit and pass it along because you guys should taste this. If you guys want to share, of course.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're getting me sick. I'm fine.

[Burner]

I'm not Getting sick, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay. All right. So, yeah, that's the balance thing. This full every time somebody's like, yeah, I have kids. Like, you get up at 6, you at 5:30.

[Mario Neal]

Excited.

[Thomas Dopas]

Marty. Marty gets up at 5:30, seven days a week. Every day, bro.

[Burner]

You know, just going back to Cookies, though. Cookies is a powerful thing, dude. It's. Sometimes I kind of don't realize how big this is, you know?

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, you don't think about it because you're working.

[Burner]

I'm working. I'm also dealing with all the negative things I have to do. But, like, I just sat down with my partners at Loose Sleep yesterday.

[Thomas Dopas]

You got your partners with Loose Leap?

[Burner]

No, we have a. We have a deal on. On. They're doing all.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, you have the cookies ones?

[Burner]

Yeah, they're doing the cookie leaves. But I like to share gems when I do podcasts. Right. Like, and I feel like I should share how our business is doing together.

[Thomas Dopas]

Of course. I like the way you said it. I feel like I should share this.

[Burner]

I feel like I should share this. I was really excited to hear this. I'm like, can I. Can I talk about this tomorrow? Like, of course. I'm like, cool, bro. We're selling $40 million a year with the cookies wraps for the.

[Thomas Dopas]

Just the. The wraps, dude.

[Burner]

Just a leaf.

[Thomas Dopas]

Are you telling me right now that Loose Leafs is making over a hundred by themselves? If they're doing 40 on just yours,

[Burner]

Loose Leaf is killing it. Was it.

[Thomas Dopas]

No.

[Burner]

No. Maybe.

[Thomas Dopas]

Maybe he did.

[Burner]

Maybe he does.

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't know. He's.

[Burner]

He's definitely part. He definitely works with them very closely. But to hear it last night, out of nowhere, because I'd be so stressed out about the brand. He's like, burn. You're doing $40 million a year with our lease. I'm like, what the. I'm like, holy. Are you serious?

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, yeah, that came from in my bank account.

[Burner]

And he was like. He's like. And he's like. And I think we could probably get up to, like, 100 conservatively if we keep expanding. Like, this is insane, but you know what I said to say this. You know, his number one focus is quality.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. Nobody's ever complained about.

[Burner]

I've never heard. I've never heard a complaint about a Lucy product that we put out with them. Because it's like, look, we grow our own leaves. We. We cure them a certain way.

[Mario Neal]

It's a gravel leaf Leaf.

[Burner]

It's grab is like a brand. I don't know. It's a.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's a It's a tobacco.

[Burner]

Tobacco leaf.

[Thomas Dopas]

Tobacco leaf, yeah.

[Burner]

It's like. But you know what?

[Thomas Dopas]

You're like the slapwoods concept.

[Burner]

So these guys, they. They really put a lot of effort into the way they. They grow their leaf, the way they, they. The way they cure their leaf and they made. The way they package their leaf.

[Thomas Dopas]

They're A to Z.

[Burner]

He's like, burn. We're crushing it right now. And he's like. And I. I just want to let you know, like, this shit's big. I'm like, yeah, it's big. So I'm just juiced about. Like, when you think about cookies, we got the clothing, we have the herb side things, and we have all the other, you know, situations we do like this. And it's just. It's a blessing. Dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, dude.

[Burner]

Blessing.

[Thomas Dopas]

You have to think about it this way. Because you don't think about it and then to. People get asked about it, go, I do have an international week. What the. That's right. The most recognizable in the world. Like, you have to think about it like that because you don't. Because you're busy.

[Burner]

Well, when you, when you're the face, when you're the founder and when you. When you really care, you're very, very you. You criticize yourself a lot. You kind of start getting into all the things you're doing wrong, but let's just start revisiting things we're doing right.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah.

[Burner]

You know what I'm saying?

[Thomas Dopas]

It's hard to do.

[Burner]

It's hard to do when you really care. But, like, markets like New Mexico are crushing for us. We're probably the best store in New Mexico, the best cultivation in New Mexico. Probably one of the most oversaturated markets in the game.

[Thomas Dopas]

Mexico is. Yeah, I've never been.

[Burner]

Oh, it's amazing. You gotta go out there, shout out to my partners out there. We're crushing out there. New Jersey. We're crushing in New Jersey right now. Small batch. So the kind of things I started putting in place are working really well. In New Jersey, we started doing small batch. I had the boys from Blueprint fly out there and consult and kind of get that popping for us out to my boy Jordan that we cannot stay on the shelf, really. So it's like, if you do it right, it will work. You know what I'm saying? So going back to, you know, everything we're doing now, I'm just super excited about being able to go do those kind of things. Like, it's not about having product everywhere. Let's just do some small batch on whatever we produce. We sell out. People will be juice on it. New menus. Let's. Let's drop new menus every month. Let's get people excited about every month.

[Thomas Dopas]

Damn.

[Burner]

We have that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, so real quick. Hold on. We can't. We started off with it, but Loose leaf. Stop.

[Burner]

Real quick. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

In just the cookies wraps. Just the collab.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

You guys are doing that kind of number, right?

[Burner]

Yeah. We have another category coming soon too, because we're on fire. So

[Thomas Dopas]

it's different, huh? It's. I mean, the thing is, like, you're a normal guy, right? You're a stoner, you're weed mogul. This is what you do. But also, man, you're also a rapper.

[Mario Neal]

I kind of.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're also burner. You have to remember that. So it's kind of crazy to hear you go, you know, I don't want to think about the accomplishments. And. But at the same time, like, you're rapper, you're supposed to be. I am Muhammad Ali. That's. I think I'm the best. That's kind of like how you have to be. And how. I mean, honestly, from. The reason I bought the certain pack of Sour D from my homie John is because of drought season one fire. I remember listening to him, like, 2010. Yeah. Yeah. I was working at the pizza spot, like, I want to get that pack, actually. And I remember I was thinking, like, should I buy a half? Like it? I'll buy the pack. So, like, that. All those albums had a lot of influence on what I was doing and selling weed. And I was just going back and forth. Santa Cruz, buying CDs and selling packs.

[Burner]

And it's tough sometimes. You know this, bro. Cuz you. You do this too. Like, when you're in front of people, like, the way we are, when you're a big target, people are, you own your lane, bro. You, bro, you got something special over here. You're crushing on Spotify. You're crushing it with everything you do. So it's like when you get popping to a certain level, you kind of. You're. You lose sight of, like, what's really happening. Like, sometimes I have to realize that, yo, we are really crushing it in multiple different ways. You know, cookies has generated $1.5 billion in revenue to date. And so it's like, that's a big deal, you know? And, like. And I think that that number has probably shifted big time since the last year. I got that number right? So it's like, add this $40 million with Lucy revenue to that. Like you're doing 350 a year. Well, add that 40 then, because the brand is generating this. This income is based on what the brand generates, right? So it's like, it's like, you know, like I'd be in there beating myself up all depressed for no reason. My girl's like, hey, set the out of here.

[Thomas Dopas]

Shut the up.

[Burner]

So, you know, you know, you accomplish, right? And I, I popped my in that video yesterday because I was. When I got the call by the New York Times Bester, I said, you know what? As a business guy, you go is to be on the COVID of Forbes. As a marketing guy, your goal is to be awarded by Ad Age or Cleo Award. As an author, you want to be on the New York Times bestseller. I did all of them. I hate all those. So I have to remind myself sometimes, like, yo, you are down and out about these lawsuits and people with you and trying to take. But why are they doing that? What are they doing that for?

[Thomas Dopas]

Because they're scared.

[Burner]

Because. No, because you have something powerful.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's what say they're scared of it

[Burner]

or they, they want it. So it's like, okay, you have to think about if there's a bunch of pain while you're building your business and things like this, it's because you got some special. And that's one. That's what I'm on right now. I'm like, okay, I got something special. It's not gonna be easy.

[Thomas Dopas]

New energy.

[Burner]

They're gonna, they're gonna drag me through the mud for it, right? They're gonna, they're gonna smear my. They're gonna make my. They're gonna try and make me irrelevant. But it's gonna be tough. I have a hard time. But also, I'm down, right? I'm down. I'm down to fight.

[Thomas Dopas]

But the way you say it, like, me and Marty talked about it. Marty and I have never gone anywhere. We've only been to each other's houses. We've been here. We've been got. We went to eat a few times. We have never celebrated. We have never celebrated. One thing we talked about, like, dude, we were top 10 of Spotify.

[Burner]

That's huge, by the way.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, top 10 creators. Like, they picked that.

[Burner]

Is it sad? I celebrate with shady ass diner meals.

[Thomas Dopas]

New York Times bestseller. Let's Fred 62.

[Burner]

Fred 62. Let's go get burger and a milkshake right now. Let's do it. But yeah, you know, we all celebrate differently. But you Got to celebrate your, your wins. Because you know what? One day then wins. Not my May. May not be there.

[Thomas Dopas]

Or like damn. I never thought about. That's what I was saying earlier, like, do I want to have kids, right? I'm like the past 10, just an example. The past 10 years there been so much stuff happening. I don't remember appreciating being able to hang out with her at night.

[Burner]

You guys, do you guys go to Hawaii at all?

[Thomas Dopas]

Never been. You went, right?

[Mario Neal]

I went once and I'm about to take, I'm taking my wife for her 40th birthday. Oh, next month, April 10th.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah.

[Burner]

I'm gonna tell you where I gotta do. You guys gotta do this. Next time you guys hit a crazy ass charting position in Spotify or YouTube or whatever other accolades you guys have. Take your girls in Maui. Go to Maui. Bring a half ounce, bring a zip. Go to Maui. Smoke on the beach. Yeah. Yeah. You deserve it, bro. Yeah, yeah. Celebrated.

[Thomas Dopas]

Done.

[Burner]

As soon as my leg is better, I'm out, dude. I'm out. I'm going, I'm going straight to Maui. Wow. Oh, sh.

[Thomas Dopas]

See, hold on.

[Mario Neal]

Have you, obviously you've done that before. Have you stayed at the Four Seasons in Maui? Dino.

[Burner]

So I'm an ignorant dope dealer, old school dope dealer. And, and like, like YOLO said, I'm a rapper. I go get the big boy houses. When I go to Hawaii, I spend, I spend more than I need to spend and I come back broken, motivated. I, I get the, I get the 30 million dollar houses that oversee crazy views or right on the beach and I, I have the private chefs. I go spend a couple hundred thousand, come back, I'm humbled and I want to work hard.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh my God.

[Burner]

I've been doing that for 15 years. It's amazing.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're telling me this is what kids does.

[Burner]

Back in the days, my business manager told me, he's like, Gilbert, stop it. Gilbert, you are broke. I'm like, I am. But you know what? I had a great time. I'm motivated to go make that money back, sir. So that's what I'm gonna do. I go get the big houses. Dude, you gotta do it.

[Thomas Dopas]

I thought the Four Seasons, I rent the whole thing.

[Mario Neal]

I thought I was doing so much

[Burner]

now, you know, I like the houses though, guys, because like you could wake up and go in the backyard and smoke a big J, take a swim, you know, walk down to the beach. You're in your own world. I do it for the weed purpose. I'm a Spoiled weed guy.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, see?

[Burner]

And all the ballers go to Maui. You guys got to go to Maui.

[Mario Neal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Burner]

Is dope too. Kauai is really, really nice.

[Thomas Dopas]

Hey, man, I. I'm really excited for you. Me too. You could just go, hey, yeah, I want to go smoke a joint. Spend. I spent like I thought. Yeah, I spent. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of money.

[Burner]

Me and Ashley's second date was in Maui. I'm like, I called him like, yo, you ever been Hawaii? She's like, no. I'm like, you want to go tomorrow? She's like, wait, tomorrow? I'm like, yeah, I'm send a car to pick you up. She's like, what?

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, so baller.

[Burner]

It's like nice to like when you let you have to. We work so hard, bro. Like, material things are nothing. It's all about trips and memories. That's my opinion.

[Thomas Dopas]

I just traveled for the first time over any ocean last year.

[Burner]

Whatever.

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't like, I'm afraid of flying.

[Burner]

No, dude, don't be afraid of flying. I used to be.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm not afraid. I'm afraid of crashing and burning into my desk. 40 seconds going, are you kidding me?

[Burner]

Here's the thing.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's it.

[Burner]

I have a panic attack on planes all the time. Oh, every single time. But you know what? I'm like. I'm like, you know what, though? You got to get there. What are you going to do? Not go there?

[Thomas Dopas]

Hypentalate on every flight I've ever been on.

[Burner]

I wish I was still cool with Josh. He used to talk me through it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, for real?

[Burner]

Yeah. Josh from RAW used to send me voicemail. Was like. He like, burner, you're going to be okay. More people die from coconuts falling on the trees.

[Thomas Dopas]

Stop, dude, stop. That's exactly what that he would give you a good fact.

[Burner]

And you know what, though? For our boy watching, I still go back to some of those old members on the plane. Thank you, brother. Thank you.

[Mario Neal]

That's nice.

[Burner]

I listen.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like that.

[Burner]

And for some reason, that voice just calms me down, makes me smile.

[Thomas Dopas]

People dive in coconuts and plates. Yeah, but also a plane. A coconut. You wouldn't even know you.

[Burner]

He said, you are more chance. Yeah, more of a chance. Sleeping, going to the bathroom.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm like, people tell me that all the time. It doesn't help me.

[Burner]

But bro, I'm going to tell you, like, this scares me. I. I held a lot of my life back by not flying that dude, get on the Plane now. Right now. Might be a little sass.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, man. I just started being okay with it. You say some like that have kids. I wouldn't fly right now.

[Burner]

You don't want to get on planes having some shady.

[Thomas Dopas]

We don't. Oh, with that.

[Burner]

Oh, I'm still gonna fly though. But Maui's important. You know what I used to do back before it was all crazy on the planes? I always have a little package of pre roll jays and lighter on me. So if it goes down, I'm smoking. I swear to God, that's on my kids. I would fly like that before 9, 11, TSA.

[Thomas Dopas]

Smoking.

[Burner]

I'm smoking, bro. And I swear to God, it was like that the whole way until they started really screening my crazy ass at the airport. But I used to always have a couple free rolls and maybe I still do. And if it goes down, I'm going to smoke one, dude, for sure.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, man.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

If it goes down, like, yo, what's everyone's favorite show? Just calm everybody down. Like, that's a good episode.

[Burner]

Oh, Hawaii is a must, bro. Hawaii is a must.

[Thomas Dopas]

Well, this is the thing. I bought a house to rebuild in Hawaii. We rebuilt it. It's for sale right now. I still haven't been.

[Burner]

Where is that?

[Thomas Dopas]

It's in. I don't know. I don't know the old name. It's a. It's a weird name. It's a weird name. No house to sell.

[Burner]

Yeah,

[Thomas Dopas]

yeah, no, my homie lives there. I just. I still was addressing my phone. It's the big island, I think.

[Burner]

Oh, okay.

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't. I don't know, but I got it. My homie redid it. My homie Trent from Fresno, he redid the whole thing. It looks. It's like, when do filters real bad like those apps and you're like, oh my God, the filter came off. You should see with the filter off, that house was. That looked like you smoke crack.

[Burner]

My goals when I retire is about a house in Hawaii. But I got. I gotta do it right. So I gotta. I gotta make a lot of bread.

[Thomas Dopas]

First you talk about, okay, you got to start saying, my goal is to buy a baller. Because you can. Because you've spent. Yeah, you spent a lot of money vacationing there. You know, you could. You could have bought a house.

[Burner]

Yeah, I could have bought a house, but I feel like I just want to do it right. I want. I want one of those 30 million dollar houses, though. You can't buy that unless you're like, yes.

[Thomas Dopas]

Unless you're Way up. People don't understand that. Like you made 30 million, buy 30 million dollar house, but well, I could buy like a $5 million.

[Burner]

Yeah, you make 30 million, you pay half in taxes and you have to live your life. It's not, it's.

[Thomas Dopas]

You really got $6 million. Yeah. People don't understand that. And then people like I would make it last. Like said taxes are gone, half your money's already gone. And you know your family, you need to buy them. There's 3 million, $2 million gone. Buying eight houses for your family.

[Burner]

Money goes fast. Money goes fast.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, I, I'm glad I don't. This is the only thing I love. I don't care about anything. I don't buy besides like I bought what a car and like a few washes since I've started to make any money. And hella by all the toys and I buy.

[Burner]

I'm bad, I'm bad with that. With vacations and I like jewelry every now and then. Like I just, I buy random jewelry for no reason sometimes. Yeah, Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

I don't really see you too fucking. You know that. Really.

[Burner]

I really don't like to wear because I like to rub that shit in people's faces. But like I like to like. I just bought these two little chains yesterday, say for no reason.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, that's under the coat. Yeah, I get it now.

[Burner]

Gold is really expensive. I shouldn't even bought this right now. It's stupid. I don't even know why I did it, but I was bored in the studio. I'm like, you know what?

[Thomas Dopas]

That's the rapper I want to hear.

[Burner]

I sent someone over here to go buy one. I sent another dude, go buy it yourself.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, see that's, that's the kind of. There we go.

[Burner]

I was having videos sent to me, like, what about this? I'm like, nah, that's not it. You know, that's not it. What about this? I'm like, that's. That looks like it. That looks like it's it. I bring it through my guy, my guy had an engineer for the first time cuz my other guy wasn't in yet. He's like, do you always do that? I'm like, no, I just. If I spend in a bag on some gold today, it.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's cool.

[Burner]

Dude, that's some rapper.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's some rapper. Yeah, because I was saying earlier, like, yo, I don't really. He's like, you said, I don't really reflect, you know, the Internet can't really get to you, blah, blah, Blah. So you don't really have time to think. And we said we have an international weed company also, man. I don't know. I know you know this, dude, but like, traffic. We got drought seasons. We got so many class. Not even just. Those are just two collabs. I'm thinking of that first. Traffic is stupid. Also, you picked that joint. You're like it. This joint's a little up. I'm gonna put it on the COVID

[Burner]

and you light that up.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. I think we talked about this before, but there's so. There's so much. Dude, that Niners jersey. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. To even just be without the weed, dude.

[Burner]

It's crazy. Bribe.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's a Forrest Gump life.

[Burner]

It is.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. With a regular IQ Forrest company.

[Burner]

I sit down sometimes, like, I can't believe I did all this. I'm like, it's all blur because I've been high as the whole time I wake up. I'm like, wait a minute. I really did that. Like, are you kidding me?

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, yeah.

[Burner]

I posted a clip today on my ig. Like a. Like a clip from audiobook. It's like a little visual to go with it, but it was like how I introduced Cookies brand, got Chris Brown to do a music video with me, and convinced the person at the racetrack to give it to me for 1500 bucks instead of God knows what it would have cost. I'm like, I can't believe I did all this. Like, what made me even do all that? Like, what made me. What made me even move like that way to get these things done. Like, what made me know I should create a brand to wear in a video with Chris Brown and Wiz Khalifa and big Crate. Like, what me? What made me think that I should go create Cookies the logo and identity to be in a video like that? Like, what made me think that? Like, what made me think that? Hearing no on the phone from the guy at this. The racetrack. Like, nah, you can't rent this place. I'm like, can I come see you in person? Like, if you want to hear no to your face. I'm like, cool. I pulled up. It's like, I can't believe I did all this. I just was dreaming big bro. It's crazy. As did you have.

[Mario Neal]

What was your vision for Cookies?

[Burner]

It.

[Mario Neal]

Was it anything of what it came.

[Burner]

So you want to hear the. I don't know if I even told you guys this or if I ever told anyone this, but I was sick and tired of going to the mall not being able to buy no clothes. I was actually gonna do a documentary about how people were discriminating on bigger people. How you go into Amber Cumbrian Fitch back in the days. Or these stores are. You can get. You can't get a 2x. You can barely even get a 1x, let alone 3x. I'm like, you know what? This. I'm starting clothing line for big dudes.

[Thomas Dopas]

So started off with oversized.

[Burner]

So it's going to be called Presidential, right? That was a design clothing line called Presidential. And I was like, okay, this is my big thing. And at the time, Cookies, the wheat was popping hella hard and it was going everywhere and people were crediting us for it and it was just going nuts and it was viral. And I'm like, you know what? I should just call it Cookies. I'm like, wait a minute. If I called it Cookies for big dudes, they probably look pretty sus. I should just make it a regular clothing line that's exactly fat. It's weird how it happened because the logo was designed, right? And I printed and I was like, okay, the logo was designed. It's on a computer. My boy photo doctor had it on deck. And I was like, okay. At the same time, I had this video with Whiz, Big Crit and Chris Brown. Like, I should wear my own clothing line for this because it's probably going to be big. I didn't even know I was gonna do the video. I'm like, press me up a. And I. I wiggled MTB to come to Free Gold Watch and and SF to do a segment on my new clothing line Cookies. And I pressed the first shirts right there on camera, right? Which is the ones I wore on the video, right? And I wore this on the video. And I turned the video into a movie for 1500 bucks. And. But point being is, like, you can't make these kind of stories up. I don't even know how I did all this. I was high as.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're just doing what you thought.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, yo, you know, be cool this. And because, like, reflect is hard because

[Burner]

in that Yoko video, in order to get Chris to shoot the video, like, look, he needs somewhere to spend on his new Lamborghini. Like, he wants to drive his car kind of crazy for the video. So find somewhere. I'm like, where the do I find somewhere in LA that's gonna be safe with no security, no street being cut off? I'm like, I gotta go to a racetrack. Google to racetrack called him. Like, no, you want to do this tomorrow. Are you kidding me? Like, no. It takes months to lock in, like a real agreement like this one and two. We're not. We're not interested in. Sorry. So I was able to go to the racetrack, look at him in his eyes, and show him the views of Chris Brown, Wiz Khalifa, and big creed on YouTube compared to mine. These guys have hundreds of millions. I have 30,000, 40,000. You could change my life right now with this move. The dude was a human being and said, you know what? I'll do it for you. So I was able to have Chris Brown pull up and use his whip for the video. But not only that. When he went home, his daughter was probably the biggest Chris Brown fan ever. So he pulled out the guys that did driving for Kanye west and Jay Z's Otis video. They brought out 18 warriors that were doing donuts. They're about so many different cars. NASCAR drivers were there with crazy whips for free. The whole thing, the whole thing cost me fifteen hundred dollars, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, you really meant that.

[Burner]

The budget should have been about $200,000 at least. Because I do music videos all day. To have professional drifters there with crazy ass whips and NASCAR drivers and the. The speed track and that. That video looks like it would have cost a lot of bread. I spent 1500 on that and that and. And that's what bird. That's how people first saw the Cookies logo. And my whole thing is like I was doing this high as and I don't even remember it. I'm like, I had to list some audiobook. God damn. I shit's crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

I need to look at pictures. Go. That's right. That was that day. Or see little clips. It is Forrest Gump, dude. I love. I love that.

[Mario Neal]

What did you do next? You were like, okay, so that popped off. Then what was your next move with it?

[Burner]

Next move was like, okay, I got to get this on World star hip hop. So sent it sent to world star people. I'm like, look, dude, I got a video with Big Crit, Wiz Khalifa and Chris Brown. I want to debut up top. They said, oh, for sure. They put up top 25 million views. And from there I started popping off that start. I dropped the hoodie, Did a limited drop of hoodies and start blowing up Cookies. That's that. Damn.

[Thomas Dopas]

Just like that.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay. I didn't realize that. I just remember seeing it when you were selling the shirts you were selling the look like a real girl scout cookie.

[Burner]

That was the first one. That one. That one's the one that failed. So I talked about in my book as well. Like, I. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know how to create an identity or a logo. I was just. That first one was, like, it would do okay, but it wasn't, like, a thing that could just be redone over and over.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Burner]

Probably came with a couple lawsuits, but I figured out the brand, and that's when the took off.

[Thomas Dopas]

So that was the original. Original.

[Burner]

That was the first I did that was so fresh. It's the first cookie shirt ever. You guys have that shirt. I'm down to buy one someone.

[Thomas Dopas]

I got it.

[Burner]

All right.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, I got it. Right? That's how. That's how.

[Burner]

Well, I don't want to buy it from you.

[Thomas Dopas]

I was like, I got that shirt,

[Burner]

but if anyone out here is watching that has that wants a couple hundred bucks, man, I'll give you a thousand bucks for it and bring it through.

[Thomas Dopas]

There's. There's definitely a couple pictures of me outside my first house with that shirt on.

[Burner]

That's. That was the first ever cookie shirt. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Because I remember you guys dropped it at so Fresh, and Maddie gave me one.

[Burner]

I'm like, yeah, I got a thousand bucks that's watching out there. I got it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Someone's got it in the package. There's a. There's. There's shirt. There's nerds or shoe nerds. There's weed nerds. How was. What's the longest you ever kept some weed? Because you couldn't. There's stashes at home, and you know that.

[Burner]

I'm gonna tell you a funny story.

[Thomas Dopas]

Okay, go. The pain of, like, watching nugget disintegrate because you're saving it.

[Burner]

So I'm the king of oxidized weed in the sense of, like, if I get a pack. If I get a pack, I like, right? I'm like, I'm not gonna smoke this until I get more of it. And most times, I don't ever get more of it, or it's gonna be a while to get more of us. I'll hold weed until it's bad. Just make sure I get more of it. So it's like. And I also have a lot of weeds. Like, there'll be, like, weed that's like, I'm gonna get this back in. I'm like, I don't want to throw because in case I want to look at it. Like, I never look at it. I don't ever smoke. I never show it to anyone. But, like, this Jar. This box right here will probably be brown soon because, no, I probably won't smoke a lot of it. I'll probably hold it just to show people. Yeah. And, like, I'm excited about our work that we're doing, but, you know, it'll probably be brown by the time I get the next batch of it.

[Thomas Dopas]

I feel you. I have. I just bought a weed fridge. I'm like, oh, like a. Like a little fridge for my weed room. I feel so stupid watching some. We go. That was fire. I could. It's a turning brown. But I'll still smoke that sometimes if it's not too bad.

[Burner]

Boy, my boys in Oregon give me weed that they keep in the freezer. And that is still good.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, My friends used to do that when I was a kid.

[Burner]

Like, I get a Tupperware full of weed that's like, oh, yeah. I've been holding this for six months. I'm like, why is it so. So green and sticky? I put in the freezer. I'm scared to do it myself, but I think that. I think it works.

[Thomas Dopas]

There's so much moisture. I just feel.

[Burner]

I don't want to do it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

It makes me feel like, is this chicken bad? I don't know. Do I want to eat it? That's how I feel.

[Burner]

Like, it's fears of life is bad chicken.

[Thomas Dopas]

You understand? That's the same. Like, I got a lung infection one time off Pax. I didn't know what bud rot was back then, man. Shady, you know, I didn't know what that was. I just thought fat nugs of. Of Candyland. This super fun fire ass packs I was getting from the mountains.

[Burner]

Candyland used to be popping. Oh, it was Santa Cruz.

[Thomas Dopas]

It was popping. Pop. Yeah. Santa. I was getting it from the mountains of Santa Cruz. I was getting. Not even that. I went to buy. Went to buy a weed from this guy. I'm like, all right, cool. Thanks, man. I met him through a guy got a pound. I came back the next day. I'm like, I should have got like, four. What am I doing? So I got five. And the next day I came back. He's like, you want me in front? You go, yeah, front of me. 30 packs right then and there. I just met him. What a fruitful, fun friendship for so long, man. Like, he really so, like, oh, you're back again. Like, yeah. And then I found out this. People need to make money. I get it. I get. People need to make money. This is in the era of the.

[Burner]

You stole it, huh? You Stole it?

[Thomas Dopas]

No. You know those two 800 pack days where it's like, damn, that's the high. That's high.32. Well, you were talking about selling packs for 5K, but you know, I'm talking about. My friend introduced me to his friend. He told him behind. I didn't know he'd asked me, how much is he selling to like a year later. And I told him, he's like. He was putting five extra points on it.

[Burner]

Yeah, five. I just put a thousand dollars on every bag.

[Thomas Dopas]

I feel bad, but it was supposed to be a hundred. Yeah, because his helmet's like, oh, it's my friend.

[Burner]

He's not to come. Like, I just threw a dollar on it. You know, damn. Way through seven or eight or a thousand. That's how I used to always be. Oh, I threw a buck on it. God. Threw a buck on it.

[Thomas Dopas]

I would say I was like, I put a point on it. And it'd be a point and a half or too, like. Yeah, but you don't give a.

[Burner]

Back in the days when I was doing my thing, I was getting purples for like 28, 3200. I was selling for 4800 all day. All day. 4800 in the city, granddaddy purple, darkest. My, my, my Brazilian homie, Rest in peace to Rico. He used to give me. He used to give me GDPS for like 2800. 3200 here, big boy. Don't be slow, don't be slow. I'm like, cool. I tell you that? Yeah. 48 all day. Two G's on the pack. Sometimes 1600 in a pack.

[Thomas Dopas]

10 racks, two moves. That's a good look. What album is that? I remember you saying it. I remember you saying. I'm like. I was like, that's what I was selling. Hella pack.

[Burner]

I was. I was. I was in the golden era, selling wheat. I had good plugs. They love me. They threw me what I wanted. They gave me great prices. I was able to barter genetics to have them. It was a great time. And I feel bad for these kids selling piece for 600 because I don't even know if I sell people. I was gonna make a 600. Like, I'm like, what do people doing these days? Step your game up, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Before I stop, dude, I was barely making one or two points on a pack of a ten pack.

[Burner]

I hear people days. I hear people today selling boxes, making $25 a be like, listen, you know you can make more in and out, right?

[Thomas Dopas]

It's crazy. Bro, it's crazy.

[Burner]

My bro would never. You're risking your life for $25 in a pound.

[Thomas Dopas]

25 on a pound at a hundred you're not making. I mean for someone to go, damn, that's my rent in a day. Okay, I can see why you would do it consistently.

[Burner]

I'm not gonna knock people that need to get money and yeah, and I get people. It's a different time I would have

[Thomas Dopas]

done if I needed.

[Burner]

I'm just saying like figure out a way to boost that price up a little bit so you can make more than 20 bucks. 25 bucks is bubblegum money.

[Thomas Dopas]

But at this point I'm taking a quarter out of each pack and I'm getting my like £3 and you then that's if that's the case, dude, because that's insane.

[Burner]

You know, I want to call my new album. Not this one, I'm working on that, but the next. So I'm probably going to call it 100 sevens. I'm about to go back to sound quarters for 100 bucks and show these fools you can do it. Come meet me at this shady ass building, right? I'm a bust down quarters for 100 bucks. Personally, you get it from your boy, yo, people.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, you did. Yeah, you did it already.

[Burner]

I did it. I did it for a. I did four grands for 200 bucks. But you know what though? The people that bought it were juice because they're the first people to ever get it.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's like buying a exclusive shirt. Go, yeah, I could smoke this shirt. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, dude. Hell star shirts are 350 bucks. You can't smoke it or have a memory, you know, I mean I get the 200, but like I said, you gave me that nugget cherry vibe. Like you could buy it. All right, let's all put our money together. Like it says sandlot also comes with a meat Greek.

[Burner]

Dude. Hell yeah, for sure. It's the best. It's cool if I going up, if I can go see Snoop and get fucking 4 grams is new for 200 bucks.

[Thomas Dopas]

Come on, dude, that's a video game. I'm pulling up.

[Burner]

I'm like, what? Snoop got some brand new weed that no one's ever seen. I'm a fucking big fan of his. That's how I like to justify it. I'm like, am I playing my fans? No, because this is a great experience. You get a poster, they got poster fire ass poster. 4 grams of some brand new weed that no one's ever Seen. And trust me, this batch was insane, right? They got to take a picture and they're in the show fucking hour and a half early. You can't beat it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, and it was for the. Oh, man, now they have the weed to smoke during the show.

[Burner]

Exactly. Okay, two sec, player, bro. Like, yeah, here's.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, by the cookies.

[Burner]

Christmas party.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like this.

[Burner]

Nice.

[Thomas Dopas]

I like this a lot. Super sweet, but not in the terms of like the runts sweet. No, it's like jelly.

[Burner]

It's a unique sweet and you could blow it down all day.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, it's jellyish. Yeah, I know it's blueberry caviar, but it's.

[Burner]

It's got a jelly.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's got a jelliness to it. Yeah, I could see it. Sweet, but not in like a. Oh,

[Burner]

candy, you remind me. You brought me back with the Candyland because I used to have a trap apartment in Santa Cruz. I remember going to my apartment right across the street from Catalyst.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, right. That's the first time right there. That Mexican. That Mexican bar right next to the Catalyst.

[Burner]

No, right across the street.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, I'm saying across the street. That's the first time I ever had a legal drink. I turned 21. I went, It's 12. And I went across the street and got a job drink.

[Burner]

I remember this guy, I was trying to be hella lowkey, and this guy that was a burner. I'm like, said bruner, I got something for you, bro. Opened up his doors across the hall for me. Gave me a pound of Candy Land.

[Thomas Dopas]

A pound? God. Jesus Christ. Here's 3K, bro.

[Burner]

He's like. He's like some Candy Land. I'm like, candyland. What the hell is that? He's like some I with out here. I'm like, cool Juice out to that guy. That's every day.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, oh, what's up, dude? Thanks for that pound.

[Burner]

I don't want to talk to you, Brian. Never seen that guy again.

[Thomas Dopas]

Again.

[Burner]

He caught me in the hallway one time.

[Thomas Dopas]

Were you in the apartments right next to the bus station, like the two story ones across?

[Burner]

Yeah, the nice. The nice one. Yeah. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

How random. This whole time we're all standing in line waiting for concerts. Like, we're waiting for us right there.

[Burner]

So speaking of that, the coolest thing ever was the year I sold out the. The Catalyst three nights in a row, right?

[Thomas Dopas]

What year was that?

[Burner]

I don't remember. I had my apartment right across street, and it was a street view. So I sat there, I'm like, yo, is this Trippy. These guys are lined up right now to see us. And we're right here, right? We're smoking big. Go down, rock the show, come out, walk right across the street, hella fast, where the crowd lets out. Mmi part. I'm watching them walk out. I did it for three nights in a row because when I dropped the mic, I'm out, bro.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, that backdoor side. And you're bound to the side. Yeah. Because you could bolt right across that parking lot.

[Burner]

It was crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's going to be you. If only people knew, dude. I'd be out in the back, like, leaving the game early.

[Burner]

But my stingy go give me some Hawaiian food down the street. But I'm gonna sit here and get high and say, I love Santa Cruz, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Damn, Jack. You must have been at Jack's a lot before I stop eating me Jack's burgers right there. I that place up every time I was there. Damn, dude, you used to live right there. My sister used to work at Pacific Cookie Company right down.

[Burner]

Oh, my God, it's the best.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yes.

[Burner]

Used to work. Ice cream. What's it called? 1016 or 10 some ice cream.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's changed the name.

[Burner]

Oh, I don't know. No, there's ice cream flavor in there.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I don't know. So you used to go there at that time. So my. My sister was the girl with the big ass punker Liberty Spikes that used to be at that spot.

[Burner]

It's 10, 2010. There's a certain ice cream flavor. I'm going to have to have her FedEx me a little patch of that. Or she not there no more?

[Thomas Dopas]

No, she's not there no more.

[Burner]

That shit's good.

[Thomas Dopas]

But yeah, then my cousin used to be the manager of Street Light. Not the old white man, but the Mexican fool all tatted. So I used to stay right there all day and be at the Catalyst.

[Burner]

Yeah, I. I didn't live there. I just go there and do things.

[Thomas Dopas]

Go there and sell drugs, go there

[Burner]

and hang out, watch the show.

[Thomas Dopas]

That's so awesome, though, to be able to watch people in your own mind. I think I'm gonna use the toilet because it's my bathroom.

[Burner]

I think I have a vlog with all this I have to go find on YouTube now. I'm curious to find it, but I think I was on camera, like, yo, it's crazy. We're right here. And people knew, like, it was tight to Dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. People only knew. Yeah, see who? All right. As a kid when you were watching shows, you're in San Francisco. You're in the heart of the Bay Area music scene. Were you going to shows in high school?

[Burner]

No, I'll go like reggae in the park type.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, wow.

[Burner]

No, I didn't really.

[Thomas Dopas]

Nothing?

[Burner]

Nah, I was just. I was trapping hard in high school, dude. I was just. I was on my own little hype. I never really went to concerts like that, dude. Honestly, I kind of trip off that.

[Thomas Dopas]

Have you been to concerts that you've been an adult, that you or friends of the artist?

[Burner]

No, I don't want to deal with that.

[Thomas Dopas]

I feel you.

[Burner]

I feel you'd be a little difficult, like to get inside. I have a lot of anxiety about getting from point A to point B. Because it's like a lot, you know,

[Thomas Dopas]

it's a lot of things that could go on wrong in between.

[Burner]

Not even. It just people notice me. So it'd be like, you want to be seen. Like, hey, burn, burn, burn, burn. Like it's gonna be a little tough and like if I can pull up and like enjoy a show and pull up like how we do mafia style. Pull up black car, hop out, go in the back, watch, get out. Like I like to do like that. I. I'd probably go to like a festival. Like I probably go. Like it's like a festival, but like not where I'd be known really. I made like a reggae festival or something. I don't know. But maybe they'll know me still. Okay.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yo, the last time we saw you at your show, right? And also this dude did a tour. Half of it in the wheelchair.

[Burner]

Because you broke your damn whole thing in a wheelchair.

[Thomas Dopas]

The whole thing again. How did you break your leg?

[Burner]

You want to see a video?

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah.

[Burner]

All right.

[Thomas Dopas]

Is it gross?

[Burner]

Yeah, it's not gross, just. It's just how it happens. Shady. I just. I have it on security cameras. I'll show you.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, no, it's inside of a shop.

[Burner]

No, it's in my office.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'll stop guessing. I just want to see it.

[Burner]

I'll show you, dude. Let me just can pull it up, dude. Cuz it's better. It's better.

[Thomas Dopas]

See it, dude. Okay, so for everyone out there, he. This, this man pulled up in the wheelchair to every single show. Broken leg. And performed every single show. So when I went there, I just pulled up my damn. This one really isn't a wheelchair. Did the whole show.

[Burner]

I think my leg is still up. I'm just walking on it. Cuz I have to get over it now. But yeah, it was, it was tough. It Was cool. We kind of built like a little living room set up. So it was cool, like, to have that living room set up right there and just rock it like that. But it was. It was. Oh, man. Different. Different experience.

[Thomas Dopas]

What'd you get off this stone? I say taste wise man stone.

[Burner]

I think I found it. Oh, yeah. There we go. All right, let me put the sound.

[Thomas Dopas]

What? That's all you hear? You say what?

[Burner]

You hear that?

[Thomas Dopas]

That was your leg breaking?

[Burner]

That's my leg breaking.

[Thomas Dopas]

Go back wartime.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, it sound like a twig. That sound like wood breaking. So you just slipped on some cold.

[Burner]

It looked like what it was was my. My guy put some sandbags there made out of gel and it was raining hella much, Right. I didn't know that they were made out of jail before. There's some sandbags there. I could just step on it, like, spray the water out. So I opened the door. I was actually shooting a video with the coyotes right there, so.

[Thomas Dopas]

Broke your leg in the middle of a video?

[Burner]

First time meeting them. There was homies over there. I didn't know. Right. I opened the garage because they want. Want to get something from the car. And I seen my dad. My dad, you know, 77 years old, he has. He was trying to carry some in. He's, like, kind of shocked to see a bunch of dudes. And he's like. Looked at him like, let me help you with that. Was walking to go get his. The thing he was carrying. And I saw that little beanbag. I just stepped on it, like, just see if there's water in. Went like this. My leg went all the way up, and then this leg went back and snapped. Yeah, but the coyotes just drove from LA. They drove about, you know, six hours. They left at 4am so I'm like. I was on the ground like, you cool? I'm like, nah. I'm like, I broke my leg. Like, you think you broke. Like, bro, I broke my leg. I heard your snap. Like, what? I'm like, like, can we help you? I'm like, let me just sit here. Hey. Damn. I guess we're going home. I said, you're not gonna go home. We're gonna do the video. My bad, bro. Like, let me just, like, let me just get up. Like, I just need to get up real quick. So I gotta shot the video with them.

[Thomas Dopas]

Stop. You didn't go to the hospital right away.

[Mario Neal]

Hold on.

[Burner]

Was in so much pain. I went to the house, smoked like three Js and passed out. Then the next day, I went to the hospital.

[Thomas Dopas]

What is wrong? What is wrong with you?

[Burner]

I was like, what is wrong? It hurts so bad.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, no, no, no. You got kids to go home, man. I'm gonna use it. You got kids, man. You got a wife. She got businesses.

[Mario Neal]

You lived the whole night with a broken leg.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Did you see it broken? Could you see it visibly?

[Burner]

I felt that I didn't want to look at it. I just, I was scared.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, you never looked. Oh, you know what's crazy? That's exactly what I would do. Like, tell me if it's broken up. Yeah, that's broken, dude.

[Burner]

They were tripped out. Like, look at there. Are you still gonna shoot the video? My brom says shoot to me.

[Thomas Dopas]

You did sitting down.

[Burner]

I sat down. I even stood up. I even stood up for a scene. I was like, hello, stiff. I'm like, suck.

[Thomas Dopas]

You're down, dude. You're down. As I've been a lot, have a bad back. There's been a lot of times I'm on camera like this. Oh my God, my back is right.

[Burner]

That hurt.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I feel. Last time we were here when you. Oh, when you left, right when we closed the gate, I came in and went, oh, my disc came out. Ah, right. Remember that? Cuz we did a four hour episode or three and a half hours. And right when I got up, I went, oh, no. I tried to hold it together while you guys were here. I was like, all right, we're good, we're good. Right? When I got back in, went, oh, it's out. I just did this number, so I feel you, but I've never broke some and go.

[Burner]

That was crazy. And then like the first thing I thought about on the floor is like two where I got tour in a week. I'm like, I can't miss it. I really want to get back outside. And I've been waiting to go on a nationwide tour since COVID hit.

[Thomas Dopas]

And I'm like, that was the first one back.

[Burner]

What was the first solo when I went on the one with Snoop Whiz and Too Short. I didn't warranty I did that one. I did like some other. But I haven't done like my own.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. Nation thing.

[Burner]

Yeah. So this. It was up.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, damn.

[Mario Neal]

Have you been dabbling in any shrooms since we saw you last?

[Burner]

Yeah, yeah. Love shrooms.

[Thomas Dopas]

Are you microdosing? You taking, like, enough to hallucinate now?

[Burner]

I'm older now. I just microdose.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, but you hear that a lot from people. Like, what's the microdose like? A half gram type of thing.

[Burner]

I take one or two gummies. It's nice.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

[Burner]

I got what, Hippie up north that makes it shout out to hippie up north. They make it for me and it's always just good. And they're just like really good, mellow ones. Dave feels brighter. It was like, you're in a good mood. I'm like, I am.

[Thomas Dopas]

I just broke my leg, dog. Let's film.

[Burner]

I ate a lot of mushrooms on that tour too. A lot.

[Thomas Dopas]

I can see that. You just literally veggie now I can't

[Burner]

go anywhere, can't do anything. Everyone's like, we get to a scene.

[Thomas Dopas]

Everyone's like, oh.

[Burner]

Everyone's hopping off, going to shop. I'm like, have a great day, guys. Be back here doing nothing.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, dude. So before I forget, I know you have a studio session soon, so I'm gonna get you out of here. When I left, that's what I say. When I saw you at the last concert, dude, when I boule, Kev. All right, look it. I don't talk, I don't speak up. I need to start. I just. I'll just park eight blocks away if I could. I don't want to bug this guy.

[Burner]

Oh.

[Thomas Dopas]

So when I got there, I saw Kevin. He's like, where would you park? He. He showed up like 30 minutes after me. He's like, across the tree go. How he goes? I just asked the guy if I can pull in there. I go, are you kidding? The cyber truck, dude. When I got there, the reason it took me so long is because I was trying to find parking. I have a little story I just told about this, actually. I saw so many wild things looking for parking, bro. It was intense.

[Burner]

I got one for you. Yeah, the same night.

[Thomas Dopas]

But yeah, I ended. Oh, you do? Yeah, I. I ended up parking like maybe three blocks away. I had my stupid ass watch on, my bright ass, orange backpack, my pant new belt for the first day. And it was. Was not tight enough and it was falling. It just wouldn't work. And I'm like, okay, I got one hand. I got my. Watch out. I'm out of shape.

[Burner]

That neighbor was crazy, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

So thank you for. For confirming what I was saying. I have to do this.

[Burner]

So first thing first. Usually when I perform in la, I perform performer Hollywood. So my bad. My agent was some crazy ass.

[Thomas Dopas]

My bad.

[Burner]

Which is why it was cool. But like, I like. I like to be in Hollywood because it'd be jam packed and People feel safe going there, right? So that was kind of cutty, but when we left, I was like, I need to go to Orange county because that's where the hotel room was. That's where the next show was. I'm like, look, can. Can my homie drive me? I don't want to wait for the bus. So my homie said, yeah, I'll take you.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Burner]

So we walked to his whip. Like, look, he's like, I gotta stop and get some gas. I'm like, around here? He's like, yeah. I'm like, all right, it. So we stop and get some gas. I'm in the car, right? And usually I got some with me. I ain't got nothing with me, right? I'm like, I'm on tour. I can't. Whatever. So I'm sitting there in the car, my boy's filling up, and this dude walks by, and the dude goes behind. So we're parked right here. There's a car parked in front of us, right? The guy pulls out a knife and starts walking up on the guy in front of us. The eye turns, running, looks at him all crazy, like, gets scared, like, walk. Walks off of the fast, gets his car and drives off, like, what the. And the guy looks at me, and I look at him. I'm like, all right, this is like a semi homeless guy. But it looks kind of crazy, though. Like, he has a fat ass knife out. So I was walking with the car. My boy's like, hey, what's up, man?

[Thomas Dopas]

What's up? What's up?

[Burner]

And she was like, looks at my boys, like, looking at him. I'm like, what the. My boy just had a drawdown, dude. Mind you, I told my security, we don't need you. I'm good, just.

[Thomas Dopas]

Well, you walked off when I walked off. Yeah, you went this way to the car. And I went down that alley. I'm walking down the alley.

[Burner]

So my boy. I almost had to pop somebody in downtown or whatever part of la.

[Thomas Dopas]

I know exactly what gas station you went to.

[Burner]

Yeah, so that's near. It was shady as that area, dude, it was crazy.

[Thomas Dopas]

I saw two crackheads smoking crack, but the guy was, like, kissing the girl. Power, eager, all romantic, and I told you it was nuts, man.

[Burner]

I'm like, bro, you almost just. I'm like, bro, that was skip gas. I'm like, this is crazy. That's how pops off. Dude was like, not right in the mind, though.

[Thomas Dopas]

You know what's scary, though? For the next person he walks up on. Not that doesn't happen.

[Burner]

No. Like, it was almost like every Sam movie running scare with the Kevin B. Oh, yeah, yeah, it felt like that. The dude was just like on something. He was ready to kill somebody. He was like, what are you? I'm in the car, homie. You have a knife. Like, what are you gonna do?

[Thomas Dopas]

He's just lock the door.

[Burner]

Like, I would just press lock and like, you. You get in with that knife. My boys. My boy is ready to move on

[Thomas Dopas]

that guy, but, man, but he also smoked pcp. And that fool's just gonna punch through the window, cut his whole wrist open and not give a.

[Burner]

He got dopine strike, huh?

[Thomas Dopas]

It's a real thing. And they know all know how to fix cars. I promise, dude, my neighbor fixed my car for like maybe $8. It was crazy hot sun, dude.

[Burner]

You know, fixed cars are crazy about wrong. That's nuts.

[Thomas Dopas]

So that's your story. All right, so my story, I walk down, bro, there's a guy, a white, maybe like a 60 year old man, not super old, but he's in all vigilante black gear, tactical gear. He's got like, tubes of stuff. He's got a big bear mace on his leg. And he's doing that. He's looking around the street right when I walk out, like, he's no security. That motherfucker's vigilante on the streets. And right when I got out of that alley, the alleyway we were all smoking in, I went the opposite way right when I got out. The thing that got me, I'm like, oh, no. There was this fool sitting there with these homeless fools, but he had amiries on smoking a blunt or a joint with no filth. Like a. And I looked him, he looked at me. I had my watch and went, oh. And I kept walking like, you're not on drugs, man. You got a marriage. Walked across the street and there was a regular. Two white dudes, older dudes, one's playing acoustic guitar. I'm like, where the am? I walked, saw the vigilante. Then I saw the two dudes that I saw on the Walking with 40s, did that to me and went, oh,

[Burner]

no, we're in the did nice whip too or no.

[Thomas Dopas]

And I parked it in one of those dumbass parking lots. You know which ones I'm talking about? The ones. They have no guy to pay. You just pay a machine.

[Mario Neal]

You got all the ingredients.

[Thomas Dopas]

I got all this to go. Hey, let's, let's, let's get him for principal. Yeah, I had white shoes on. I'm holding up my pants and I'm walking with my hand kind of deep to hide my watch, but it won't fit. So I'm like, oh. And I'm just kind of like, this is it. And then I saw some crackheads. I'm like, damn, they have hell stuff for sale. But that lady with them is not for. She's. She's gonna step this. I don't know how I went without anybody seeing. Put my in. Kept walking with. Yeah, I had to.

[Burner]

Dude, you have a nice watch. That would have sucked.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, anything, Anything. I was like in an orange backpack. Like, I'm just so bright.

[Burner]

Next time. Next time, just call me. We'll have you park right in front.

[Thomas Dopas]

I didn't realize. Well, I didn't want to bug you guys. I pulled up, I was circling through 15 minutes. Like, the show's starting. I'm not gonna keep bugging these guys. I didn't want to bug. It was just about to. I knew you're gonna go on stage. I'm like. And right when I walked in, you went on stage. So I would have been bugging the. Out of everyone.

[Burner]

But anyway, that neighbor was that. That was one for the book. Somebody. Spencer. That was crazy. We just went through over there, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, it was a wild. Hey, after the show is where the real show starts, guys. Because you got to make it back to your car. Yeah, because I look around like, where did everybody park at? Yeah, I want to park where they parked. I don't know where they parked at. But anyway, everybody parked across the street with a nice valet guy or a security. I should just did that. I still want to bug him because he was busy. What an. So that's. That's. That was my story the last time I saw you.

[Burner]

Yeah, well, next time you come see me, you'll be a lot more vip, a lot more players.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'll just be more outta. Yeah, I'll just be faster. We came right from the podcast.

[Burner]

Bring a machete with you immediately.

[Thomas Dopas]

Dude, if you let me.

[Burner]

Hey, I don't know what area that was, but that area that was. It was skid row.

[Thomas Dopas]

I was like four blocks away, but it was trickling.

[Burner]

That was.

[Mario Neal]

That's just LA period. It's like.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's just downtown LA. Downtown LA is turned into.

[Burner]

I feel like RoboCop. I've been to. I've been to downtown LA. I've been to a bunch of places. I've never seen nothing like that. Like, that was like. That was a lot.

[Thomas Dopas]

There was zombies, dude.

[Burner]

There was Zombies out there, fool.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm so glad you reviewed me because when I tell stories, people. You're exaggerating. Like, if you only saw what I.

[Burner]

Yeah, it was a movie. I had a guy like this with a knife, like by a couple. I'm like, oh my God. I didn't know my.

[Thomas Dopas]

I was just rapping, man. I didn't know my boy at the

[Burner]

other I me with him.

[Thomas Dopas]

I'm like, man, we got. It's the type of bat that he wears. You know, he's got one.

[Burner]

That boy. He was ready.

[Thomas Dopas]

That was cool. The last time I saw him, he. Him and Kev had all the mushrooms. They're eating mushrooms. Like, all right. I think I like this environment, dude.

[Burner]

Yeah, he's turned up, dude.

[Thomas Dopas]

Oh, I know. You got to go soon. Cookies push trees coming in August.

[Burner]

Yeah, Zoomies picked it up too. Oh. So we'll be online drop. We'll be in Zoomies too. We have to probably go activate. Let's go do a migraine. One there spots and turn that up.

[Thomas Dopas]

Let's do it.

[Mario Neal]

Hello, items. Right, Big B. Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

I think we're doing capsule two like double digit items.

[Burner]

At least 10.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, I think there's 12, but I might be 10.

[Mario Neal]

That feels right.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's gonna be cool, man. We have a lot of cool things. And your guys artist is sick.

[Burner]

Yeah. Came out sick, dude. I think that we can like play out that a couple things too. So I'm juiced about it.

[Thomas Dopas]

Cool.

[Burner]

Come up to the compound. Come sit down. Let's get some money.

[Thomas Dopas]

Well, let me know what time next week.

[Burner]

Cool.

[Thomas Dopas]

Well, hall of flowers next week. I got to do that. But other than that, we'll be.

[Burner]

Was it is in New York or was that.

[Thomas Dopas]

It's here Ventura.

[Burner]

Okay. All right.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah. Besides that.

[Burner]

Yeah. Come up here with the weed. Have to figure it out. I want to. I want to shine on some fools. Show some.

[Thomas Dopas]

Let me know. That's. That joint was great. Yeah, let me know. Okay. So become a legend.

[Burner]

Become a legend now. Now. Audiobook recorded by me.

[Thomas Dopas]

I mean, if it was not you, I would be so disappointed. You some other fool's voice.

[Burner]

Well, a lot of people are surprised I did it, so I just thought throw it out there.

[Thomas Dopas]

Like, yo, this was a rapper. But he picked some other guy's voice.

[Burner]

Like, nah.

[Thomas Dopas]

What the.

[Burner]

Some older white man.

[Thomas Dopas]

But I think if you got a Morgan free. I'm like, okay. I get why he did it. Yeah, that'd be epic.

[Burner]

Yeah, that'd be fire, blood and blood out.

[Thomas Dopas]

Yeah, perfect. Title. Okay. So you can buy this everywhere.

[Burner]

Anywhere.

[Thomas Dopas]

New York Times bestseller. Congratulations. Also congratulations. You dropped five new albums the last time we saw you have two new children. One other way. Yeah, you started a whole new everything since we've seen you last. And more weed and good weed and I'll smoke.

[Burner]

Well, yeah, we're still rocking dog. That's all it matters. We're still in the game.

[Thomas Dopas]

Also, this is the first time I've smoked back to back joints in the morning. I would say five years.

[Burner]

It's gonna be a good day. It is gonna be a really nice meal. Right now.

[Thomas Dopas]

No, we have another guest and then I have to go to the. The Tenco dudes are doing like.

[Burner]

They invited me tonight too. I just. I told them, I know you're doing

[Thomas Dopas]

your studio thing, but. Yeah, I'm supposed to do that. I got a bunch of stuff to do today. I'm excited too.

[Burner]

Tell Stacks to save me a little baggie. I told him. I said, just send me a little pack, bro. He's like, bro. He's like, you gotta pull up, man. I'm like, yeah, I can't right now,

[Thomas Dopas]

but we'll see if I can sneak it out. Like the everlasting Gobstopper for you.

[Burner]

Yeah, I got you. I have a cheesesteak for you. A vegan cheesesteak for eating for you.

[Thomas Dopas]

There we go.

[Burner]

Yeah.

[Thomas Dopas]

Guys becoming legend. Hell albums out now.

[Burner]

Go check it out.

[Thomas Dopas]

Burner. 415 on everything, right?

[Burner]

Burning. 415 still. Thank God.

[Thomas Dopas]

Thank deal. Thank God. I hate that we have to do that.

[Burner]

Stop playing my boy. Stop playing my boy.

[Thomas Dopas]

All right, guys. Thank you so much for being here for Marty Burner and I appreciate. Have a dope ass day.

[Burner]

Perfect,

[Thomas Dopas]

Perfect,

[Burner]

Perfect.