Pushin Paper w/ Josh Kesselman, Owner of RAW Papers

Summary

DOPE AS USUAL Podcast - Episode Summary: Pushin Paper with Josh Kesselman, Owner of RAW Papers

Introduction In this engaging episode of the "DOPE AS USUAL" podcast, host Dope as Jos welcomes back Josh Kesselman, the innovative owner of RAW Papers. Known for his dedication to producing high-quality rolling papers, Josh shares his personal journey, challenges in the cannabis industry, and his relentless pursuit of excellence. The conversation is rich with insights, personal anecdotes, and valuable lessons for entrepreneurs and cannabis enthusiasts alike.

Personal Struggles and Back Pain The episode opens with a candid discussion between Josh and co-host Mario Neal about their chronic back pain. Josh recounts his recent accident at the Raiders stadium, where he slipped while assisting a drunk spectator, leading to severe back issues. This incident exacerbated his existing minor back problems, resulting in significant pain that affected his daily activities.

Notable Quote:

Josh Kesselman [01:12]: "Such is life, man. I've run to friends who have much more pain than me. So to me, I'm like, oh, there's nothing compared."

Stem Cell Treatment and Recovery Josh delves into his journey towards healing, discussing his experiences with stem cell injections in Los Angeles. He explains how these treatments have significantly reduced his pain, allowing him to live without the restrictive back belt he had worn for over a year.

Notable Quote:

Josh Kesselman [07:02]: "I've learned so many workarounds and different ways to do stuff. Right now, I have an inflatable cushion behind my back."

Coping Mechanisms and Positive Outlook Both hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining a positive outlook despite physical pain. Josh shares an inspiring encounter with a wheelchair-bound individual who, despite his disabilities, exuded happiness and resilience. This meeting reinforced Josh's determination to find ways to continue living life to the fullest.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [02:50]: "Find a workaround, Josh. Find a way around it. And now I'm doing much better."

Challenges in the Rolling Paper Industry The conversation transitions to the cannabis industry, where Josh discusses the hurdles of innovating rolling papers. He highlights the issue of counterfeit RAW papers flooding the market, making it difficult for genuine products to stand out. Josh emphasizes the need for authenticity and continuous improvement to stay ahead in the competitive landscape.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [64:56]: "I'm out of this family. I'm done. Dude, I'm not building."

Innovating Rolling Papers Josh passionately explains his commitment to perfecting rolling papers. From developing ethereal cones to experimenting with different filtration methods, he showcases his dedication to enhancing the smoking experience. He also touches upon the importance of pairing the right paper with specific cannabis strains to optimize flavor and potency.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [118:05]: "Every struggle you go through makes you stronger. We're here to help each other."

Philanthropy and Community Support Highlighting his philanthropic efforts, Josh talks about the Last Prisoner Project, an initiative aimed at changing outdated cannabis laws and freeing individuals unjustly incarcerated for minor offenses. He shares how the proceeds from a significant lawsuit victory were reinvested into supporting this cause, demonstrating his commitment to giving back to the community.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [108:56]: "People are not getting out of jail for this crazy stuff. Nobody should be jailed for our damn beautiful freaking plant."

Building Products and Collaborations Josh discusses his collaborations with other industry leaders and his vision for future products. From gravity bongs to innovative rolling machines, he outlines his plans to revolutionize the rolling paper market. He also expresses his desire to mentor others passionate about the industry, fostering a community of like-minded individuals dedicated to quality and innovation.

Notable Quote:

Josh Kesselman [186:54]: "I really love the way you put that. You know what else I was going to say there was not one, like, crazy, terrible dick joke or nothing in this episode. It was five hours of knowledge and fun."

Reflections on Success and Personal Growth Throughout the episode, both Josh and Dope as Jos reflect on their personal growth and the true meaning of success. They stress the importance of passion, continuous learning, and supporting one another to achieve collective greatness. Josh shares his excitement about moving forward with his projects and the joy he finds in creating and sharing knowledge.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [252:58]: "We're all getting higher together and it's true."

Conclusion and Giveaway As the episode wraps up, Josh and Dope as Jos engage in a lighthearted exchange, celebrating their long and insightful conversation. They also announce a giveaway, offering listeners a chance to win signed RAW products, further strengthening their bond with the community.

Notable Quote:

Dope as Jos [274:23]: "Teach your friend that doesn't know. Teach him how to roll a joint. Please."

Final Thoughts This episode of "DOPE AS USUAL" is a testament to resilience, innovation, and community spirit. Josh Kesselman's dedication to enhancing the cannabis experience through quality rolling papers, combined with his personal journey overcoming physical pain, provides listeners with both inspiration and practical insights. The heartfelt discussions and shared experiences make this episode a valuable resource for anyone passionate about the cannabis industry and personal growth.

Key Takeaways:

• Overcoming personal challenges requires resilience and finding effective coping mechanisms.
• Authenticity and continuous innovation are crucial in a competitive market.
• Giving back to the community can drive meaningful change and foster a supportive environment.
• Building strong, passionate communities enhances collective success and well-being.

Relevant Links:

• RAW Papers: Instagram - Raw Life247
• Last Prisoner Project: Website
• DOPE AS USUAL Podcast: Spotify

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Note: The timestamps mentioned correspond to the points within the provided transcript and are used to highlight significant moments and quotes from the conversation.

Transcript

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, you can. Perfect. Perfect. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Dope As Usual podcast. My name is Dope as Jos. My co host, Mario Neal.

[Marty]

What's up, guys?

[Josh Kesselman]

What's up, guys? We're back. It's round two. We're getting straight into. We've been talking for about 30 minutes, so let's get started. If we miss anything else, guys, this is round two. Josh Kesselman, owner of Raw Papers, thank you for being here.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm happy to be here, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's been about two years.

[Dope as Jos]

I think three.

[Josh Kesselman]

When's the last time Josh was here? It was in this room. It was a while ago, so it had to be season two.

[Marty]

Yeah, season two.

[Josh Kesselman]

So it's been two years.

[Marty]

About two and a half million views.

[Josh Kesselman]

Let's go. All right. Thank you for being here. Thanks for coming back. Josh and I have been talking about how bad our backs are.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

For about 25 minutes. I forgot you have the same struggles I do. Yeah. That sucks.

[Dope as Jos]

It does, man.

[Marty]

How long has that been going on?

[Dope as Jos]

For more than a year. Year and a half, I guess.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, this is recent.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

What'd you do? What happened?

[Dope as Jos]

I don't know. I don't really know. It could be from. I had a hit and run, motorcycle crash.

[Josh Kesselman]

The whole story behind this, definitely.

[Dope as Jos]

It was after that I had a friend. I tried to put him on my shoulders. It might have been the final straw. And then suddenly I just started feeling literally a pain in my butt. That's where it started.

[Josh Kesselman]

The top in the middle top. Yeah, but it holds your whole back in. Like, it's like a bar now.

[Dope as Jos]

No. First it started just to paint, then it kept going.

[Josh Kesselman]

It kept going to your knee.

[Dope as Jos]

It kept going. Yeah, yeah. All the way down. Kept growing and growing and growing till finally I was like, oh, oh. Ah. Such is life, man. I've run to friends who, like, have much more pain than me. So to me, I'm like, oh, there's nothing compared.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why I said, like, sometimes trying to complain when I hear April stories, I'm like, you know what could be worse? Cut through it. But I slipped my desk picking up OG's drunk ass from the Raiders stadium two weeks ago. That's why I have the shocker on my back. No lie. That's what. I was so drunk.

[Marty]

It was your person you carried.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I was like, you carry somebody.

[Dope as Jos]

So did.

[Josh Kesselman]

I was a giant Mexican. Um, yeah, he. We went to the Raiders stadium about three weeks ago, and it's. I slipped it. It's Been bad since. But, you know, I have a horrible back.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I thought yours has been years and years.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I've had. I've had minor issues. Nothing too crazy.

[Josh Kesselman]

And that's amazing.

[Dope as Jos]

And suddenly it was like, oh, isn't.

[Josh Kesselman]

It such a depressing moment knowing, like, oh, my sock. I'm not getting it on. There's no way I can get that sock on.

[Dope as Jos]

I wouldn't call depressing moment. The only thing I didn't like was, like, when the pain starts to set in and I can't get rid of it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And like, the day's going on and, like, I want to go do, man. I got. I live on a ranch with a horse and a donkey. I want to ride the horse. I want to enjoy all that. And then you can't. And that's the part where you're like, the things you can't do. But I just do my best to get myself out of it. I've learned so many workarounds and so many things, different ways to do stuff. Like, right now, as we're sitting here, I got an inflatable cushion behind my back. I was sitting on some weird thing here. Just learn. I didn't want to stop traveling. I was like, oh, no. Oh, no, I don't want to stop traveling. I don't want to stop my life. You know? So you just keep finding ways. Workarounds. Find. Find the workaround, Josh. Find a way around it. And now I'm doing much better.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think if I could just carry a hammock at all times and just lay in that. So I wish, like, I need to be weightless, but not laying, and then my back's fine.

[Marty]

Did they feel like, what's wrong with it? So that you can work towards a treatment or. Not quite.

[Dope as Jos]

They're not even actually sure. They thought it was one thing and it wasn't that, and they think it's something else, but it's something in that area. I've done so many MRIs and all that kind of stuff. And. So you have bulging disc issues.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

They're just surprised at the level. They don't understand. Why is it hurting here? Okay. Well, you never know with these things. Oh, yeah, it's all right, man. Listen, it's nothing.

[Josh Kesselman]

So, like, I'm trying. I get it. And I know you're so optimistic.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm not just optimistic. Back.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

A few years ago, when I was going through it more than this and there were other things going on, I went to an event in Phoenix, Arizona, and it was A total great smoking event. It was so much fun. Wrapped around a pool at night and I'm thinking about my own pain and my own problems. Or I'm in here thinking about that stuff and a really cool dude rolls up to me in a wheelchair. He had been shot up. He's not going to walk again, most likely the rest of his life. And we're hanging out, smoking and that kind of stuff. And he's. He was positive, he was happy, he was enjoying life. I'm looking at him, I'm thinking myself like, you are my inspiration, dude. Like, no, I'm good. I'm good, bro. I'm fine. This is nothing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, those moments are fun.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And it's not like, oh, someone else is worse than me. Good. No, it's more of like, what am I stressing about? I can still walk, but there are.

[Dope as Jos]

Times hanging out with me can't walk at all.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I, I get it. But I get why people start pharmaceuticals and start to. There's times where the pain is so bad, like, how is this possible? I can't get out of it. It's like someone's lighting a lighter to you. Like, please just stop doing it. But you can't get away from it. So you're just like, so this is hell. Constant, constant pain. This sucks. So when I do, I. I have a friend, guru, he has one leg and one arm left, I think.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And this man does iron mans.

[Dope as Jos]

There you go.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's constantly doing every charity thing you can think. He does the. On the surfboard, swimming iron. And that makes me feel like, okay, I can't walk, but neither can he sometimes. And that fool's doing pull ups and benching with an one arm. So stuff like that. I get it. It does make me reevaluate life. But it does. It still does suck. But you get through it. There's some days you smile.

[Dope as Jos]

It's part of the human condition. It's part of being human. Pain is part of us. For as long as we have been humans, we have suffered and we have felt this. We have all been through this stuff. Our ancestors, all that shit. It's just part of our lives. I try to look at it like that, from a grander perspective. And it's like, yeah, well, you know that song, I don't know if you've heard the song. My shit's fucked up. And it's like he's literally singing.

[Josh Kesselman]

No.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, my shit's fucked up. Yeah. It's just the way it is, you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Know, this is what gets me, I'll be. I'll think back when I was 11. I never thought I'd be one of those guys. Like, you have a bad back. You know what I'm talking about? Like, that guy's got a bad. You always think of, like, no, it's an old man with a bag. Oh, you're not even an old man. And then I meet people at my doctor that are younger than me. It's like, dude, no. Then you start thinking of, like, that's okay. At least you're fixing it. But I know what. I know what. How much it hurt for you to come into this room. Like, if it hurts that bad, you came into this doctor to pull your spine.

[Dope as Jos]

All right, it's okay, dude. No, no, no, no, no. It's one of the cool thing about it is the journey. The. The journey. You're sharing your journey with the. With the audience. I'm sharing mine. There are people that are watching this, that even if they don't need this information now, they will. Trust me. You will. I wish you wouldn't, man, but you will. So as we go through it, as we find our path towards getting better, whatever, better. As better as we better can be, the more that we share that with each other, the more that we share that with our audience, the more that we help others. So, you know, I'm here in Los Angeles to get stem cell injections in my back tomorrow to help me where I can try to get through this. And I already did IV drips of these stem cells, and it got me 50% better, man. That's huge. I can take my belt off. This freaking belt I was wearing to help my back for first time in, like, about a year. I can take that damn belt off. I was sleeping in the belt a lot of nights and shit, man. Yeah, the belt's off. I haven't worn belt now in, like, weeks. Weeks. This is, like, you know, I mean, it's like, gives you that re. Appreciation for freaking.

[Josh Kesselman]

Small appreciation for stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm sitting in a restaurant eating dinner, and I'm not sitting. I'm not My belt on. I'm actually sitting in a restaurant. First. I couldn't sit in a restaurant. I'd have to go to the bar area and I'd stand at the restaurant. Yeah, something to do. Standing at the bar at the restaurant. Okay, cool. The whole time. Hey, that's still. That's still a great life. It's still awesome.

[Josh Kesselman]

Deal with it.

[Dope as Jos]

I can sit there now and have, like, sit there and eat a Meal with a friend. And I'm like, oh my God, this is amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Different, huh? Like these, these, these. Because I have to lean on my counter to hang out with everybody because I cannot stand and I can't sit. So all my weights on my elbows all day.

[Dope as Jos]

When that stops. Because you're going to get through this. When that stops.

[Josh Kesselman]

Stopped yesterday.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Now I feel so stoked. I woke up this morning, got out of bed, put my feet down, went, let's go.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I didn't go. So that was a great start. Like when I go to the bathroom in the morning, I'm like, can look down. I'm hyped. You know your back so bad you can't because it'll pull your back. Peeing without looking is the worst. The whole time like that. God, I hope I'm not pissed on the ground, dude, cuz I can't see.

[Marty]

Trust piss.

[Josh Kesselman]

Trust piss. So you feel me? You get it? Yeah. There, there are things you just appreciate you're more stoked in. In what? Two weeks ago, Josh, I had it in my notes to talk about how good my back was. Three months straight, no pain.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, with og. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

But in three months I'll be talking about, remember like three months ago when it was bad. So eventually it'll. I get it, I get it.

[Dope as Jos]

My hope is that this, this journey that I'm on is going to help you with your journey.

[Josh Kesselman]

The stem cell seems like something I might need to actually do because it worked.

[Dope as Jos]

Like I've done so much. Didn't work. You gotta be careful, by the way. There's a lot of stem cell scammers out there. As I've learned the hard ways to be careful of that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Everybody's cheaper here. Like, no, no, no, no. It's like a cheap bbl. No, thank you.

[Dope as Jos]

No.

[Marty]

Are stem cells supp the pain or like, what does it do?

[Dope as Jos]

It does. I, I. Yeah. Hold on one second.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, do it, do it. Here we go. This is fun.

[Dope as Jos]

All right, Marty, you ready? Everything I'm about to say is based on my own personal experiences and opinion. In some cases on legend, like from 100 years ago where I, I wasn't actually there. I might get some things wrong. And such is life. If I say something is the best, that means it is the best or perfect for me. It doesn't necessarily mean it's the best or perfect for you. We are all individuals. We all have more synapses in our brain than there are stars in the galaxy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, that's the end of your paragraph.

[Dope as Jos]

I modified it. Right.

[Josh Kesselman]

My lawyer said I can't say everything anymore without saying I think this. But so it's true though.

[Dope as Jos]

Experience. My opinion, what someone said to me once is that stem cells repair things that were not, that were not repairable.

[Josh Kesselman]

Go fix your ladders. It goes, fixes a little chains and.

[Dope as Jos]

The swelling goes down and it goes towards source of inflammation, which by the way, I'm not allowed to smoke at the moment, which is really bad.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, please explain that. Why can't you smoke?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, I can't smoke because the stem cell docs told me no smoking because the stem cells go towards sources of inflammation. And if I piss off my lungs, especially the way that I smoke, they looked at one of my videos.

[Josh Kesselman]

They're like, yeah, no, they're just gonna fix your lungs over and over, going.

[Dope as Jos]

To, it's going to go right to your lungs. Stop it. Like, okay, so no smoking until probably like early December, something like that. I can, I'm using edibles. I just, I, I, I don't like edibles. They're fine. I don't love edibles.

[Marty]

How long have you been on just edibles?

[Dope as Jos]

A couple weeks now? Three weeks, four weeks. Oh my God. But I'm not, I'm not happy about it.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're not with your homie.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, So I kept increasing the, the edibles until a couple nights ago. Just a couple nights ago, I crossed the 100 mark because I'm not getting that feeling that you get from combustion, you know, I'm just not getting so across the 100 line. It took like five or probably six 25s, thinking, okay, now really, it's gonna be fun. It wasn't fun. I woke up in the middle of the night, zooted, having to pee, slam my head into the freaking door. Then it's bleeding. I can't stop it.

[Josh Kesselman]

But you have to pee and you're bleeding.

[Dope as Jos]

You're already down to face.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm so mad.

[Dope as Jos]

So I had to stuff in the house. That's really for my horse called like Vetigel. It stops bleeding on stuff immediately.

[Josh Kesselman]

You put some liquid rubber on it.

[Dope as Jos]

I read about it. It's like that. I read about it. It's really supposed to be for humans. The military uses it for like soldiers. And, and I had it, I have it for the horse. And I was like, this thing's bleeding and it's 3am And I don't want to go to the hospital. So I just grabbed some stuff on there, stop bleeding immediately banished it up, did my best to go back to sleep. And I was like, let's just turn.

[Josh Kesselman]

To the Rogan podcast. You just suggest horse dewormer.

[Dope as Jos]

By the way, throw some horse gel on your personal. Don't do it. Don't do it. I just happened to have it there, and I was desperate, and the blood was running.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know it's desperate when you're like, yo, it's for animals. I'll take it.

[Dope as Jos]

I'll take it. I'll try it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Also, I'm tired.

[Dope as Jos]

I really want to go to sleep.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, that's. That's. See, times like that, where you have to laugh when you're bleeding. Like, I still have to piss. Dude.

[Marty]

I've done that exact same thing. But you know how you put the little hook on the back of the door for your towel? I went into the back, pitch black. It almost, like, took my eyeball out. I was like, yo, this could happen.

[Dope as Jos]

So easy, so fast, so bad.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's. Oh, you remember what happened last week on unrestricted? We found out that life is odd.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes.

[Josh Kesselman]

I will just explain it fast. We just saw this thing. I'm like, this is the saddest video I've seen. This man's luck is so bad, he just does a little fender bender.

[Marty]

He's just driving down the street. Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Driving. Yeah.

[Marty]

He passes the car next to him, spins out. Spins out on some dust, goes over the median in a street.

[Josh Kesselman]

Not on freeway, like, on the street outside.

[Marty]

Residential street.

[Josh Kesselman]

Big.

[Marty]

Then he accidentally slams the gas on. I don't know. He had a reaction. He slams the gas on, which at the perfect angle, sends. Sends him at an angle at the car behind him.

[Josh Kesselman]

But he's going 20 miles, 10. Not even fast.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

But the momentum when he hits the car, flips his car, throws him out of the car, lands on electricity wires, and just.

[Dope as Jos]

What the. What, Wait, it sounds like a final destination.

[Josh Kesselman]

Exactly. But I watched it. That's why I said, this is what final destination is.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

How sad was just driving.

[Marty]

God wants.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm go up there in 10 seconds. Like, no, the little things in life, things change so fast. Be safe is what we're saying. Don't hit your head while pissing.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm always looking for that final destination. When I'm on the highway. I see the. I see the log truck. I go, no, no. I know what happens next. No, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

Flatbed truck chains.

[Dope as Jos]

I see him. Yep. Flatbed. Nope, nope, nope.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm trying to get it right here. Oh, no, no.

[Dope as Jos]

I'll.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll just wait. No, there's so many times. Water bottle put in the back seat, get stuck under my brake, and we're gonna die.

[Dope as Jos]

You know about the laptops. There was a woman who hit her brakes too hard. A smallest accident, and the laptop came from the back came up. That was the end of her.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So now I'm like, laptop down over there. You're not hitting me. It's like, literally looking for. Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yo, a laptop would tear you up.

[Dope as Jos]

That's it. Yeah.

[Marty]

Decapitate you by technology.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's AI coming for you, dude. That's Skynet if I've ever heard it. Yo, how do we get onto this topic? Oh, you. You had to pee and then you said your. Your disclaimer. That's right. Okay. So back. Be positive your body's working.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Good.

[Marty]

You like the edibles? What about dabs? Or you don't like the edibles?

[Dope as Jos]

I can't do nothing in the lungs. I'm allowed nothing in the lungs besides there, so. Believe me, it makes sense, though.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's just that I miss it more than I wish I did. Okay. I. I really, truly miss it, like, most waking moments because I'm not as inventive as I once was, and I think I'm a little bit grumpier, you know, so. Yeah.

[Marty]

How much flour do you usually go through on a daily?

[Dope as Jos]

A larger quantity. More than.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, that was the best. A larger quantity.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm gonna start saying like that.

[Dope as Jos]

I try to be vague on stuff, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know, a larger quantity is great. Give me a small quantity.

[Dope as Jos]

I have a routine, and I use it as a reward system for myself. So, like, if I finish a good video, then I'm really excited. Like, the hard video. I'm going to do the video. And then when I'm done, like, done. I'm really done. And everyone look. I'm looking at it, and it's really done. It's done. That's my reward. Now, did you know that parents rank financial literacy as the number one most difficult life skill to teach?

[Josh Kesselman]

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[Dope as Jos]

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[Josh Kesselman]

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[Dope as Jos]

You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

It's like I'm rewarding myself every four seconds. Like, yo, I'm breathing still. Celebrate. Celebration.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, you know what I mean. Like for you, it'd be like, when you get pricked with that needle, your word is big ass, fat ass joint.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't smoke that. Walking into the doctor.

[Dope as Jos]

No. I'm so nervous after, after, after. Is that what you're excited to get it out? That's the whole thing. I'm done.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what? I will say this. The times I am excited when I'm super busy, we're doing stuff all day and go, oh, let me load this bong up. So I do understand that, like, delayed gratification. Yes. I don't have that in my life ever since I turned 18. And go, just drive. Are you hungry? Go. You want to smoke weed? Smoke it now in your own home.

[Dope as Jos]

I like, I have my own way.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't have that. I need to learn that. I haven't. I haven't delayed gratification was. Oh, the school year's over, thank God.

[Dope as Jos]

If I've got real to do during. There's no wake and bakes on days. I think real stuff to do because I find myself kind of dumb for the rest of the day, you know? And like, so it's like. And so I'm like, so excited. If it's like a Saturday I got to do and he's going to go to the farmer's market and stuff, I'm like, it's Saturday. Yeah, you wake up.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, see, that's fun. That makes you appreciate. Because sometimes all I feel like my dopamine is like, bro, we're tapped out. You know, I mean, I'm like giant showing cool. All right. I go to the farmer's market. No, you get to go to the farmer's market. You don't have to work today and you get to go hang out. Yeah, I've started appreciating things that when I was 17, I wouldn't be able to do, like going to the farmers market. Highs in your own car. Like, that's a fun time.

[Dope as Jos]

Isn't it, though? So when you're. When you were 17, did you. Do you have any idea it would end up like this?

[Josh Kesselman]

No. No. So you appreciate winning a shirt at the football game when you're 16? Like, what? Sick. But now you get a shirt. Like, oh, you want this shirt? Because you've like. I feel like you're not. I don't appreciate this any. I need to stop.

[Dope as Jos]

So what level of non appreciation are we at?

[Josh Kesselman]

I appreciate everything because it's awesome. But I'm talking about. I Don't get super hyped anymore. Like, I don't get excited about. Because I'm like, all right, let's make sure we do it right. Like, we did the improv. I wasn't happy after. I was just like, yes, I guess I was happy. I was stoked that I did exactly what I wanted to do. But it's not like, let's celebrate. I don't have that in me.

[Dope as Jos]

You don't get excited over. Like, for me, it'll be like, something dumb. Like, I'll be excited about the dumbest thing and, like, something that comes through.

[Josh Kesselman]

But I feel like only things that make me super psyched are things that make nine year old me.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, yeah, that's usually what it is.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think I just don't have it in my life. Like, I work and I smoke and then I go to sleep kind of thing. And we come here. I do emails and I don't go, like, I don't. I need to find time to do stuff. Like, we tried to make a schedule yesterday. Like, I don't have a schedule.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, I. Okay. And you're gonna. And you're gonna tell me yours because I know you have this. So for me, an example is like, you're saying nine year old. Yeah. For me, it's like, this isn't really nine, but, you know, I mean, it's. It's younger, Younger, younger. You be so excited about. For me, it's stoner toys. Right. So when I make a lighter with a windscreen on, it that goes up, turns into a poker. Then I'm like, oh, my God. It's cool that it comes in.

[Josh Kesselman]

Blows.

[Dope as Jos]

Everybody's mind comes in. I'm just like, oh, my God. It's the coolest thing in the world. I'm so excited by it. And I'm giggling all day about it and showing in a video and jumping, oh, my God. And yeah, this is like younger Josh. So excited of sharing the same stuff with his friends you would have done when you were in your sesh circle for sure.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I'm sorry. I get excited. I don't get overly like, yo, let's pop a champagne bottle. Holy. You know those times, like, we just graduated high school. Let's go. I don't have that because I'm like, yo, it's such a. Like the Forbes thing. It came out like, this is incredible. I gotta get back to work. I got to do today. We're filming two videos today, so I don't. I feel like I don't wait look at this stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

Maybach rolling off the back of the truck.

[Josh Kesselman]

That made me hyped. That made me stoked. That was cool. But then I'm like, material. Why am I so excited?

[Dope as Jos]

Because you never thought in a zillion years you're driving a.

[Josh Kesselman]

And that's why I got stoked. But then there's times like, dude, we have. It's so. It's such a weird level of. Of balance. Like I'm. You know when I get stoked. You know, when I get genuinely stoked, when I see one of our shirts in the wild, I lose my.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, there we go.

[Josh Kesselman]

Cuz I made it. And like, thank you for my brand new habit. Not just in my room there. I'll take it back. I get stoked every Zoomies.

[Dope as Jos]

Come on, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Every single time I see this shirt. Oh, my God. I get. I do get excited, but I'm not like popping champ. I was like, I wish I had. I see some people losing their. It's like celebration. I need to celebrate more because I don't at all.

[Dope as Jos]

Really. Okay. So for me, I see raw in the wild, right? We're going down the road in New York and I start seeing raw signs.

[Josh Kesselman]

Crazy.

[Dope as Jos]

I start seeing it. There's a. I can tell you where I feel the feeling. It's right here on the back of the head. It's like this. It's like. It's disbelief. Right. Partisan. I was just like, oh, my God.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what I get. Not in the head. But I just feel like I saw somebody at the session. The idea of my shirt. Yeah, you bought it. You spent your money and you chose to wear it today. Holy. That makes me excited. I do. I will say that every single time I get excited about that.

[Dope as Jos]

There you go.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I do. I do. But I think it's just like we do so much stuff and I'm like, when. When Podcast of the week. Me and you should have met up. High five. Went out and like. Yeah, but we said sick. And I got on a plane.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And it was over.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I feel like it's just like big milestones. Milestones. Like, I don't high five. I don't get stuck. Yeah. That's all we. Like.

[Dope as Jos]

There's some rule about this. We're supposed to celebrate the milestones. Like we're exactly.

[Josh Kesselman]

I feel like I would like to do that. I don't have it in me. I think so. I never like, we did parties as a kid. I never did parties.

[Marty]

One of the guests. One of the Athletes was like, I'm just putting up points. And then we'll. We'll look back at the score later. I'm just scoring right now.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's how I kind of. That's how I feel too. But I feel like sometimes we should stop. We don't. We don't stop and, like, get hyped about stuff. I wish I did.

[Dope as Jos]

It occurs to you once in a while. I'll tell you. One time it happened to me, okay, so back when I had my shops in the 90s, one time I slept in my store in Tallahassee, Florida, because I couldn't get a hotel that night. And I couldn't sleep that well because noisy and creaky. And I hadn't been in that. Had never slept in that particular store before. I just started walking around the store, and we're talking like 800 square foot store. It's not like some big thing, you know, doing loops. Yeah. Just walking around, just looking at it. Lights are off, and I'm just kind of catching the, like the night light that goes through the windows and looking at the. This shelves of bongs and pipes and all this stuff. And I'm just imagining myself as, like, young Josh, like, where this would be unbelievable. And walk around and I keep repeating myself. This is real. This is really your shop. Dude, look at this. Look at. This is really yours. Oh, my God. Dude, look, look, look, look. I just had that feeling like I brought myself back to that place of wonderment. There it is. For when I was, like, way too small. And I would go into the. To the head shops and I'd collect rolling papers. I'd be buying packs.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, you told me about that. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And there'd be the dude behind the counter with the long hair. I'd be looking at the store like, oh, my God. They used to have like the. The racks of the porno magazines and all the weird. You know, I'm just, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I just brought myself back to that place. And then I get that feeling of the smile gets so big from skateboarding around my warehouse in Phoenix.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

I just. Look, I just skateboard around there. I'm looking around. I just keep repeating myself over and over again. This is real, dude. Yeah, this is real. I know you want to glaze over it and pretend like, just keep going forward, keep scoring points, but no, Josh, this. This is real. This is really your. Oh, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

That happens internally.

[Dope as Jos]

Internally skateboarding through this warehouse stoned out of your mind. This is amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

I. I agree with you on that internally, I'm like, ah. But I feel like there's not like a time have we ever gone anywhere like, dude, we did it. Let's go get a drink or something. Or let's go smoke a joint somewhere. We've that before.

[Dope as Jos]

You get the feeling every.

[Josh Kesselman]

Every time I go to the warehouse and I'm packing and I look at St. Go.

[Marty]

We celebrate after every guest episode, we get stoked for gas.

[Josh Kesselman]

We do that every time. But the celebration is like this literal.

[Marty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Ad reads, you gotta drive. You got two hours for traffic. Hit. Like, I feel like we're just. We need to start doing it more for sure.

[Dope as Jos]

What they say, stop and smell the roses.

[Josh Kesselman]

We don't. Dude.

[Dope as Jos]

I guess in this case, stop us, smell the flowers. You know, we just stop and roll.

[Josh Kesselman]

A joint and leave.

[Dope as Jos]

We can't do that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I need to start doing them when I find it. I'm never by myself. When I'm by myself, I start to ponder more.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

When I smoke a joint alone is the weirdest because I'm never alone. So I go smoke a joint. I walked out here. I did the Will Smith, the Fresh Prince. Like, all right, this is our. Huh?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. I. I love it, dude. I love it so much that I will say I can't. I can never get over. But, like, I feel like, look at all hyped about things. Like, I want to get hyped about too.

[Marty]

Right?

[Josh Kesselman]

I feel like there's so much to do that I'm like, I. I don't have time to be hyped. Let's go.

[Marty]

Are you good at, like, time management?

[Dope as Jos]

No. No.

[Marty]

He's such a. You're like a business icon. I'm wondering, like, your daily routine, when you're growing raw versus now, is it.

[Dope as Jos]

Just go. Just go. Just keep going, man. Just keep going. It was. There was no time management. I. That was late for the podcast. I'm terrible at time management, but it's. It's. I still though, I don't want to get off this topic because of one thing, which is if you're not taking the time to stop and smell the roses and you're not taking the time to stop smoking roses, that means they're not taking the time to stop and smell the roses. Life is so short, dude. You're gonna bat your eyes, you're gonna be older than me, and that's gonna be fine. That means you're really old. So it's like when we have these moments when you are lucky enough to be sitting in a Room talking with each other. Fucking bunch of cool stoner shit around here having fun like this. We have to celebrate the fact that we're not accountants. Right? We're not working in fast food. We're not working in retail. We're not having somebody yelling us. A manager who's about to yell at me at the end of my shift because I didn't do something even though I thought I did great. They didn't notice it or they're mad at me for some bullshit. They're going to come yell at the end of my shift. I've been through that enough. We're not. We don't have to go through that. Yeah. You know, that is amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

I do say that. I will say that.

[Dope as Jos]

I do appreciate that as free can be. And that is beautiful. So that is what I think we should celebrate is our. Is this freedom that we have earned.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think that's why I always smoke constantly. Because I always say, why do you people always say, why do you smoke so much? I'm like, well, how many times? I was 15, I couldn't smoke at all. Watching how high. Like, damn, they're smoking that bowl. That was so fun. Then you go and steal the weed. Like, look how much weed's in there. It's like, that's much weeds in my bat in my room. I would have never thought I'd have even this much. That weird. Now I was like, dude, there's too much. We want some weed. So I get that. Like, I do remember those times. So I do. I guess I do celebrate every time. I'm like, I don't have anything to do. Actually, I do have something to do, but I'll just rip this first and then I'll go do it. Like, every time I do something, I take a gigantic dab and then do it because I'm like, why not my house?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so I'm going to tell you something. I don't want to point. Never supposed to point off. You know where we supposed to use whole hands?

[Josh Kesselman]

What?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, we're never supposed to point.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm not a robot.

[Dope as Jos]

No, we're supposed to do that because that's.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's like presidential.

[Dope as Jos]

There was this dude I met, he was like some lecturer and his big goofy. And he was saying this is rude or something. Yeah, that's like negative.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's like start going like, who did it?

[Dope as Jos]

Him. That's like pointing fingers like that. Okay. Where his whole hand is like him. It also shows. Look, I have no weapons. Look him. Tails were gang banging, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Show me your palm.

[Dope as Jos]

That's what it's like, dude. He's always. They're telling me, always do that. Okay, so I'm always. I'm trying, I guess I know that sometimes you're right. I'm trying to be. There we go. Never. I'm doing it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yep.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. So you. Let me tell you how you inspire me. More often than you realize.

[Josh Kesselman]

Go.

[Dope as Jos]

When you get attacked on social, when they delete your accounts, over and over, more than anyone else in this industry that I know of, you have had your deleted. You. You hit 1 million.

[Josh Kesselman]

Bam.

[Dope as Jos]

Gone. You hit another 5,000. Bam. Gone. Every time I talk to you about it, you're upset for one fraction of one moment. One moment. And then it's, dude, every time it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Every my answer, it. I'll just do it again.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm not as good as you on that stuff. You were my inspirational. I literally, when I get attacked and they take down my accounts and it happens, I literally think I'm like, be like Thomas. Be like Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

Be like that one.

[Dope as Jos]

Be like Thomas. Be like Thomas. Take it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Well, it's funny. Every time I say, like, I'm not grateful for this, like, remember, Josh, like, be grateful for your feet and your shins and your leg, I think of that. So I, I, I do think of that. And that was when I lived at the push Tree's house. It was 2014. You told me that 10 years ago. I remember it. I always think of that when I'm like, oh, I'm hurt, but I could.

[Dope as Jos]

Be watching myself too. Dude, I can still wiggle my toes.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's right. As you told me, my feet, I wake up. Like, you're right. But, yeah, I get it. But the reason why I, like, mad.

[Dope as Jos]

That beautiful attitude you have, that beautiful ability. It's an ability, really, Because I don't quite have it. I'm learning it from you that to get hit, to get Rochambeau for real. Double Rochambeau. You know what I mean? And then it's just like, bucket. And you keep going forward. You just. You have another count set up. Breathe that. The stress comes out of your head, out. And you keep marching forward. You don't need that social media thing. You don't need this. You are still fricking Thomas. People still love you. You're an icon, and none of that has changed. And watching you do that, I just wonder if maybe you're brushing off a little bit of the joy too. Because if you're doing it for the. Huh. Maybe you're doing it for the good part, too.

[Josh Kesselman]

That was rude. It was more rude. You're right. Holy sh. All right, all right. What it is, is this. I tell Marty all the time I don't like to celebrate. I think it's what it is, too. I don't like to celebrate things or think how things are too cool. Because then what if one day I wake up and go, I'm awesome. I don't really gotta do that right now. I don't want to get, like, too. I don't have that in me. But what. It's like. It's like a. When. You know, when guys are super home, fall week, they're like, no, dude, I can't be around guys. But he's a man. He's a regular guy. He's your cousin. What's the big. Because I've had people say that about my cousin. Like, you think he's gonna, like, date you? Are you afraid that you're gonna date him, too? It's like, no. If that's the way you are, that's the way you are.

[Dope as Jos]

Don't.

[Josh Kesselman]

Why you have to be weird about somebody's preferences. So with me, it's more like. I've never done that, but I have a fear of, like, what if I turn into one of those jerks?

[Marty]

A fear of being complacent.

[Josh Kesselman]

A fear of being. No, of being like, damn, you're. Yeah, that guy's. That guy is tight. You ever see, like, a rapper? Like, yeah, for the. And then now they stop taking pictures with fans.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

[Josh Kesselman]

But that's not gonna happen. But I'm saying, like, what if it's a possibility and I'd rather not be happy?

[Dope as Jos]

Thomas, you turn into that, I swear to God, I'll call you on it. I'll call you on it right away.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is the thing. Like, it happens over grad. I've seen it happen gradually to people. And I'm like, yeah, I know. You started getting. And now you're just not as cool. You're not even as nice as you were.

[Dope as Jos]

I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I don't want that to happen to me. And I don't see it happening. But everything is possible. And I. I know myself.

[Dope as Jos]

Not going to happen.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know. I know that. But it's like that 1%.

[Dope as Jos]

There's a detachment that happens when you get like that. Your ego gets so big that you kind of detach from humans.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thing is, like, I have a problem with not having that ego, bro. Like, I need it sometimes. I don't have the. There's so many times I'm standing there for an hour, and they go, oh, you're the guy here. I'm like, yeah, I didn't want to bug you guys, you know, I didn't want to be like, yo, I'm the guy here. I do it everywhere. And I. Like, I need to have it, but I don't have it. But sometimes if I get it, I feel like, what if it's not good for me?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so what I do when I'm in that situation where you're the guy here, that situation. I know exactly what you're talking about. And you don't want to be the head.

[Josh Kesselman]

Do you know, at my own thing, like, I would never do that.

[Dope as Jos]

So we don't do that. Instead, I just smile because I know. I recognize how funny the situation actually is. So I smile. I kind of laugh inside. I'm like, this is funny. This is gonna be funny. So then I try to get to the guy nicely and tell him, wait, wait, wait. I know this is funny. And then I tell him it's me. I tell him who I am and why I'm here. I'm like, you're supposed to just bring me in, man. It's me. It's me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yes.

[Dope as Jos]

I say, and then you have a wrist. Oh, dude, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, but it's. I've never. You know, who I am. Oh, my God. No. Ew.

[Josh Kesselman]

Ew.

[Dope as Jos]

Ew. Ew.

[Josh Kesselman]

Ew is the right word.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no. There's a way to do it where it's just you. You laugh at the situation. You make it humorous to make the dude laugh. Make him smile. He'll. He'll be like. You approach them gently, and they'll be, like, thankful. They're like, oh, sorry. I'm always sorry, Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't mean to, but you know what I mean? It's almost like the.

[Marty]

Like, we're inclined to just be out of the way. And, like, we're just. We're good over here.

[Josh Kesselman]

Don't worry. I know we're first, but we'll go seventh. It's okay.

[Marty]

Yeah, I'm.

[Josh Kesselman]

Everybody like, no, this is mine. This is the way it's supposed to. Like, I don't have it.

[Marty]

Yeah, that's the best. TED Talk is the best example.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Because we sat there for four hours at TED Talk, and they're like, oh, you're supposed to go on like, yeah, everybody's cutting us. But, like, are they supposed to cut? Are they Supposed to be first. Did you change the schedule? We're over here, bro. All right. No, we're not gonna.

[Marty]

They realized most audience was there to see us, so we're not gonna be.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, you know who we are.

[Marty]

If we went on.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's crazy.

[Dope as Jos]

They would. Everyone would leave. Yeah.

[Marty]

So they put.

[Josh Kesselman]

So we just let it ask. But if we were a little divas, we would like, no, we're going on now. He wants to wait for four hours. No, we're not going to be here. But we just sat there and went, okay, I guess. But I need to get out of that and, like, be more assertive. That's one thing.

[Dope as Jos]

Not assertive. No, no, no. It's not being assertive. It's being. Being incredibly polite. Assertive. It's a bad word.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I'm saying, like, to tell TED Talk, no, we can't see you for four hours, guys. We're supposed to go on right now.

[Dope as Jos]

I know. We need to go on soon.

[Josh Kesselman]

That would be more assertive. Like, yo, no. But I don't like, no. And now his job's harder, and now he's got to go back to his boss. I'm like, well, he doesn't want to do it.

[Dope as Jos]

Tell him nicely. Hey, please, can we get on with the next little bit? I. I gotta go. Yeah, I gotta pee.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know, but I get it. So that's the thing. Like, I don't. Like, I'll meet fans in the store, and they're so excited. They're FaceTiming their friends. I'm like, this is amazing. I'm so happy I can do this. And I get back in the car and go, I can't believe this is real. Light a joint in this car and drive off. That makes me stoked.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

When I see other people go, I'm like, this is awesome, dude. I like every store, dude. Everywhere we go, there's a fan. At least one. Yeah.

[Marty]

When it happens in front of my kids, it's the.

[Dope as Jos]

That's the greatest, right? My daughter hates it now. She used to film it used to be the greatest thing. Now she's annoyed at me. Really? Because I get so excited.

[Josh Kesselman]

You talk to him for five minutes. She's like, yeah, where's your day going? Thank you. I just get genuinely. I don't talk to people without. Are you very personable? Do you go out and talk to people?

[Dope as Jos]

I love talking.

[Marty]

Oh, man.

[Dope as Jos]

I love it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Marty and I are bad at it, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

I get so high off them, I get myself in trouble because I'll literally I walk into a smoke shop or something to say hi to the dude. I'm in there for an hour. Customers, him, his boss, everyone's coming over. I'm having the greatest time. I'm talking to everybody. This is great. I love these people. They're stoners like me. These dudes that would have been in my sesh circle, you know, like this.

[Josh Kesselman]

Exactly why we talk to fans constantly. It's like, you like my stuff, we're probably going to be friends, right? We just start talking about random.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so here's the thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

So fun.

[Dope as Jos]

If you were a musician or an actor. I'm not pointing. Doing good. Doing good, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Start doing this.

[Dope as Jos]

If I can't do that, I can't start doing this. Marty can't do it. If you were a musician and that person knew your music and they came to you and started talking to you, okay, They're a fan of your music. They're not actually a, they're not really your people. They're not like, you don't have that much in common other than you guys have a similar taste of music.

[Josh Kesselman]

I see. We go with this.

[Dope as Jos]

But if they like your, if they know who you are, they know the I am. Dude, they're stoner, bro. They're one of us. There's someone who can hang out with. There's someone like, oh, we're stuck in an airport together for a couple hours. Cool. Let's go do something stupid. Come on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't we steal some toilet pair from the bathroom?

[Josh Kesselman]

Josh is 17 years old. Let's go do a prank. I got two hour layover. I'm always afraid that they're gonna like, get on the ground. How much weed in your bathroom. Like, I'm just gonna sit here and eat this burrito that was made wrong. But I don't want to speak up, so I'm just gonna. Oh, man, I'll get there one day. I, I, I'm trying my best to, like, this was my parking spot first. I'm gonna take it. I don't know who I was with, but I looped the parking lot three times because I was getting in and somebody was trying to get him. Like, go ahead and have it, dude. I was 15 minutes late to my hair. Kind of went, what am I doing myself, man? I gotta just take this part. See, there's times like that where it's like, no, stand up for what it's yours. It's like. But they're probably worried. It's okay. They can take it I do that with everything else.

[Dope as Jos]

You know, when someone cuts you off on the road, you're driving along bad. Cut.

[Josh Kesselman]

Driving is different parking. It's like, you know what you're parking. What if you have a bad leg? You know, you can park in the front. When it comes to driving, I will imaginary just shoot you to death while I drive. Like, I hate you so much as I drive. I'm the different person when I'm driving because it's. You're risking my life. Don't risk my life because you want this turn.

[Dope as Jos]

I gotta tell you what I do to try to calm myself down. This is something one of my friends taught me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Throw lighters at him.

[Dope as Jos]

No, it's okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

I do.

[Dope as Jos]

It's the turtle head trick.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like that one. That's fun.

[Dope as Jos]

They cut me off and I have to tell myself that dude is turtle heading right now. He's got.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's got poo so bad.

[Dope as Jos]

He's coming off. He's got to get home right now. Dude, it's coming out. It's coming out.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's got to get home. Oh, my God.

[Dope as Jos]

Let him go, bro. Let him go.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's my thing about parking. Like, they probably. They probably got. You know, it's okay. I'll find another spot. But when driving. That's funny.

[Marty]

I didn't know.

[Josh Kesselman]

They gotta take a.

[Dope as Jos]

Calm down. Laughing. And the guys cut me off and I'm like, first you're angry, and then I'm just laughing. I make up some story, some ridiculous dude. It's running down his leg right now. I like, he's got diarrhea, dude. I just couldn't make myself laugh. And then. Then the anger's gone.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll try. I've been getting better lately. I have been losing my mind lately because it's like, why lose your mind? You're not going to yell at him. Not going to hit this guy. Go back.

[Dope as Jos]

Is going to shoot at me if.

[Josh Kesselman]

I do something that's different. It's so hot over there that everybody's just mad. Yeah. So everybody's got a gun. Like, I'll shoot you before I fight and sweat. Yeah. I get Arizona, but LA too. But I never. I don't get mad like that anymore. I try to calm myself down and most people see the car and go, I don't want to touch that car and get my insurance. Like, thank you. Thank you. I have a little force feel when I drive. I'm like, we both don't want the insurance hit. Dude, just calm down. But there are Some. Some people that do not give a dude.

[Dope as Jos]

I know, but make up a funny story. You can do better than a turtle head.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's funny that you say that, because my solution was paintball gun. I was gonna start.

[Dope as Jos]

No, we can't do that because they're gonna shoot back real bullets.

[Josh Kesselman]

It depends if I'm on the way out. Could you imagine you. You drive not great, and you know that. And someone tags your whole window with green paintballs. You go, I gotta drive better, man. This is getting bad.

[Dope as Jos]

The cool thing is I'll really like the story when it hits. World star Thomas got in trouble for.

[Josh Kesselman]

Green spray painting somebody. They rolled the window down and shot him in the face. Assault. That's why I don't do it, Mike. What are they odds?

[Dope as Jos]

He was a priest, you know, he.

[Josh Kesselman]

Should know better that God's watching. Did not drive like that. That's what I feel. I wouldn't do that. I don't know how we got in this topic, guys. Oh, yeah, I'll let steal my parking spot. Jesus Christ. I need to, I need to step it up. But all right, I'll be politely assertive. I'll try that. It's hard, man. And that's why I like talking to them like, yo, yes, what you do? I'm gonna try that. Okay. Because it's hard, dude. I don't. For me, I think it's like growing up and my mom was always so mean that I'm like, anything I do might cause a crazy reaction. Let me just lay under the line and just live my life. I think that's what it is because I like when people, like, someone cuts me in line, I'm like, do you.

[Dope as Jos]

Fear having reactions like her?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I fear, yes. I, I. That's why I tell you I like meeting people, because if they're mean to me, I'm lose my mind. Because now I'm not a child. Like, I can't freak out my mom. But if, like, yo, if you do, I might punch you in your mouth. And I don't want to do that. I'm not even mean. Yeah, but you know, there's a times you're like, oh, you spit on me. I have to. I have to assault you. I have to, or I'm gonna die inside. There's times like that, but that's why I don't talk to people. I'm always afraid of. Like, if you are mean to me for no reason, I'm gonna lose my mind. That's what it is. Like, I'm always Afraid someone's gonna be rude. I'm like, go take the spot, bro. Gotcha. That's that. I think that's the. That's what it is. Because every time I think of him, I'm like, like a little kid. Like, ah, it's all good, man. Let's go for it. Don't freak out on me. That's what it is. Okay. Because now, like, I can freak out back as a kid. You can't.

[Dope as Jos]

No.

[Josh Kesselman]

So now that I'm older, I'm like, fool, you're. I'll choke you out. That's how I feel now. It's like, I'm not even mean. Why do I have so much aggression? Because it's possible now. It's like, you can't just spit on me. I can beat you, you know. What's up, guys? Taking another moment to talk about one of our sponsors. And this is one of your favorite sponsors. Just from the, from the comments and the feedback. One of your favorite sponsors. And this is the Nova by Cipher. This actually right Here is the Nova 2. It could be a pipe, it could be a water bottle, it could be anything you want it to be with a water attachment. This is the most concealable way to smoke. You could put hash. You put weed in this thing. It's kind of shocking. Updates, locks in place. Completely awesome. Other things about the Nova 2 that you might not know. Single handed smoking. You can literally do this with one hand. Pack it up, put it together, put it on, hold it all one hand. No visible flame. That's another thing. The flame is inside. It's not even really a flame. It's called an arc lighter. It's self extinguishing, meaning it will go out. If you do not keep inhaling, this thing will stop, meaning your cherry will go out. Conserve it or you keep ripping it and it'll keep smoking. This is 100% a windproof pipe. It doesn't matter where you are. You can rip this and keep going on Instagram. It's Nova by Cipher. Go ahead and check them out. I'm calling it in the next two years. This will be universal when it comes to smoking out of a pipe. You can make this into a water pipe in seconds. Check out their website for more information. Thank you guys so much. We appreciate you. Back to the episode.

[Marty]

I like the little inner conversation. Making yourself laugh at it though, that's smart.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I just say that there's probably sad. That's one thing. I go, they're probably mad. Just let them have. They're having a bad day. That's. That's. That's how I do it. When, like, someone's car's wrecked, I'm like, I'd be pissed, too, dude. I remember having a whole bumper smash. Like, God, it's just a different.

[Dope as Jos]

And also, you don't know how it ends because it could have been a situation where you. You took that parking spot that was the one where your car was going to get smashed. You're going to come out, drag down the whole side, your mirrors hanging down.

[Josh Kesselman]

I would say it's for a reason. No worries. I'll park in the back. And I ran into a friend I haven't seen forever because it was that extra five minutes. Wow.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I always think, like, Malcolm in the Middle. Like, when Mahal ties a shoe and doesn't get in a car accident, I'm like, yeah, Everything happens for a reason.

[Dope as Jos]

We're back to Final Destination. We didn't even know it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Everything is. Devon saw our Final Destination. Everything. Soap in the ground, in the bathroom. I'm walking around it. I know what's gonna happen. Water's gonna turn. I'm a drown in the floor. No, everything that could happen will happen.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I'm good. Dude, let's get into actual topics real quick. This is the intro. Hey, welcome to the show.

[Dope as Jos]

Welcome to the show. Every fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

Steal my parking spot. Okay. Oh, where's that? Do you hear the. The little clicker? You make it red in here. Watch this. Story time.

[Dope as Jos]

Are you ready?

[Josh Kesselman]

I have a story I'm gonna ask you. You know, I do story times, and somebody suggested, why don't you ask your guests? I go, I like that sometimes. Yeah, we'll get into something, and then a story pops out. It's never, hey, here's a topic. Do you have a story on this? So I'm gonna start it with you.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. It's gonna be great.

[Josh Kesselman]

Most fun. No, sorry.

[Dope as Jos]

Keep going.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, that was great, dude. I was gonna. Oh, God. If I would ask the first question, that would have been insane that you just. No, I was like, how do you like working? Enough. Oh, God. Everything is my own opinion. And I'm gonna start. We should start using that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, sorry.

[Marty]

It's a good disclaimer for the top of the show.

[Josh Kesselman]

We got a lost. We got all lost in translation here. Okay, story time. Have you ever smoked weed with Snoop Dogg? Yes. What is your most fun? Or when you're 90 and someone brings up Snoop Dogg, like, Snoop Dogg passed away today at 100 years old. That's crazy. Like, you know what? One time we. Boom. That's the story I want.

[Marty]

Was it a joint with Snoop Dogg?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it was a paper natural. I spoke to him like, four times or maybe five. I don't know. But he hit a point with him.

[Josh Kesselman]

Did you hit a blunt with.

[Dope as Jos]

Nope.

[Josh Kesselman]

You are strong.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. You should pass to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I would hit it once. Be like, you know what? I can't say just once for no.

[Dope as Jos]

He had a lot of respect. The fact that I was like, nah.

[Josh Kesselman]

For Snoop Dogg, I think I might just go, you know, it's just for you. Once.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Marty]

He started off, he came in with papers, right?

[Dope as Jos]

He.

[Josh Kesselman]

He.

[Dope as Jos]

He's a few times now he's launched his own papers. What?

[Marty]

Yeah, but, like, I remember early in his rap career, I thought he was a joint guy, but then he became.

[Dope as Jos]

He started off with papers. He did, from what I remember. Yeah. And it was. Remember, he had an album cover with. He was a pack on a pack of rolling papers. I think it was him. And then. But he then went to blunts. He stayed with blunts. He went blunt wraps. Then it was a natural leaf. But, yeah, he's had his own line of blunts. Had his own line of papers. He had all that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Cones. Because. Didn't. Never.

[Josh Kesselman]

Doesn't take. It didn't take off.

[Dope as Jos]

No.

[Josh Kesselman]

You got to promote that better.

[Dope as Jos]

He tried. I think it's like, you know what.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think it is? It's celebrity endorsements for things that are your every day don't work. You don't. You're not chugging Pepsi every five seconds. And that's why Brad Pitt works, because it's brand awareness for something that you ingest every single day. I trust this. I trust a smoker with no followers over a celebrity. And that's just a fact.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And that's why a lot of weed brands, celebrity weed brands fail.

[Dope as Jos]

Most of them do most.

[Josh Kesselman]

98 Shavo crushing.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's real.

[Dope as Jos]

Wait, he's actually smoking? He's out there picking the strains. He didn't just put his name on someone else's stuff.

[Josh Kesselman]

He actually really loves weed. Like, it's shocking. Like, 1993, I think I was in Belgium and I smoke my. Yo, you're just like us, man.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're just like us. If you're a rock star.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's so crazy when you talk to me like, I forgot you're a rock star for like 80, 000 people at a time. That's crazy. Like you. The first one of. The first times I talked to Josh on the phone with Christy put me on the phone with you.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah. She was great.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. You're like. You told me a story. Like, I have a friend named Billy. Yeah. And he said this and that. You told me a whole story about your friend. And then we brought it up again about something. And I'm also. Who's your friend? He goes. He's music. I'm like, Billy Corrigan or the Smashing Pumpkins.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, your friend Billy. Sorry, I forgot your first name basis. So things like that. Like, I forgot you're a rock star. Cool. It's just wild, like, growing up going, I listen to these people. They're actually cool. That's the best part. Like, no, this is my friend. Cool. No, it's like, the Fool's awesome.

[Marty]

It's the coolest part of the show.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the coolest part. They're cool as.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why you're famous, man, because you're awesome.

[Dope as Jos]

There.

[Josh Kesselman]

There. Is that you. I mean, you don't have to say names, but I'm sure you met some dick celebrities. You're like, this is you.

[Dope as Jos]

I definitely have met some people that I didn't like.

[Josh Kesselman]

That sucks.

[Dope as Jos]

It's a real bummer. A real bummer. I've got some people that wouldn't break character. That was really annoying. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Of their. Of their what? Yeah, but, like, were you at a.

[Dope as Jos]

More than once where you had a thing? Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

For acting?

[Dope as Jos]

No, they were like. They kept calling me son the whole time. And it was someone who was my age and I was. And they were. They were acting a certain way. I'm not really not gonna say who it was, but they kept. They kept saying that to me. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, son or talking like that. I'm like, oh, in his character. In his character. Yeah. And he wouldn't get out of it. I'm like, really? That's how you talk to your mom? I talk to your friends on Saturday night? No, no, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

If it was not Ali G, then it's not right. No, it was Ali G, but it's okay, son.

[Dope as Jos]

That's a character. That'd be funny.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's funny as. But other than that time it happened.

[Dope as Jos]

With this one particular person, I was like, okay. The second time I met them and they did it again, I was like.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right, I'm sorry. I'm trying to hide this Joint from you?

[Dope as Jos]

Why? It's white.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's tempting.

[Dope as Jos]

No, it's element smoking.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, no, it's element.

[Dope as Jos]

You know how much I miss smoking. It's okay. Just torture me, dude. It's okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sorry, I just don't know the taste of this through my teeth. No, sorry. Don't do a review. Sorry.

[Marty]

By the top of the year, you said you're going to be back with.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. No, no. January or December.

[Dope as Jos]

December. Yeah. Two.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Tomorrow I'll find out the date.

[Marty]

Is there going to be a special flower waiting? Is there like a special strain that you love?

[Josh Kesselman]

This is a celebration.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, this is a celebration.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is. See things like this. I would be looking forward to the day I get stuff like that.

[Dope as Jos]

It'll probably be something like maybe from the Sisters of the Valley. Like a. Oh, they're from.

[Josh Kesselman]

They're from Mariposa. By me. Yeah, right. By me. Said. Yeah, the two nuns that grow. Right.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, the group of them. Yeah, that was just two. No, the group D. They got a.

[Josh Kesselman]

Whole gang over there. That's cool. Do they. Do they use like the gospel to help the plants grow? Do like. You know how people play?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, they. They pray to the plants.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, there you go.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, that's cool. And they're true. Like they. I. I really like true believers.

[Josh Kesselman]

This get you high?

[Dope as Jos]

And I also believe that in my ideal world, every plant gets a chance to see the sun, even if it's just for a little bit, because the plant wants to see the sun. It was designed to see the sun. It was born to see the sun. It doesn't have to see it all the time, but I really like it when I'm a little. It makes me feel a little closer to nature, a little closer to the.

[Josh Kesselman]

Way that instead of just growing inside.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. With artificial light, you and I created.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thought about that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Most plants don't see the sun kind.

[Dope as Jos]

Of like free range anything. It's just like. Yeah, let's give it a chance. Let's it let it connect.

[Josh Kesselman]

You gotta be real high to go into that one. I would think of that. Like, you know what? They never see this.

[Dope as Jos]

They never see the sun. I'm like, that's up.

[Marty]

They're not really organic.

[Dope as Jos]

Right.

[Josh Kesselman]

Whoa. I never thought about outside.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. I want them to see the sun, even if it's only part. Even depths. Give me something. But just give it. Give it a little bit of free time.

[Josh Kesselman]

I never thought about that. I always thought, what's the most fire I could possibly get? I don't care if it was tortured. That's how I feel. Like, I'm. I don't eat animals. I'm like, oh, this plant. You. You punched it. Is it fire? I'll take it. You yelled at it.

[Dope as Jos]

The OG is talking. This whole thing about being natural. Jack Heron, all these guys. The whole thing about natural, natural, natural, natural, natural. You know what I mean? They would yell at me. It. It's something I long to connect with, a place I really want to return. Like, in my ideal world, I'm growing it myself off my own food scraps and all that kind of stuff. Have you ever see the Worms? Yes, but I can't talk about that. Oh, yes. In places where it was federally legal. Canada. But, yeah, we don't talk about that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because, you know, that's lame. Yeah. Talk about growing. I mean, we're not. We don't have to.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm just saying. But yeah, here. I can't, you know, because what a trip, dude. The feds do not like Josh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Well, also, your tobacco firearm, that fd. Was it called F Food?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I got the Food and Drug Administration.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Because tobacco farms. Because of this TTB Tobacco Taxation Bureau. A bunch of three letter freaking anchorings that all sit there with a picture of me throwing darts at it. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, no, send them some papers, man. That's what they want. Maybe you cut them off in traffic once. They're like, that's definitely. They're like. Actually, it was Dave Navaro.

[Dope as Jos]

We mixed it up with Josh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yo, the first time I went to. I don't remember. I think it was New Year's Eve, like, seven years ago. Somebody brought you up like, they're like, yeah, his shoes. I'm like, he dressed like Dave Navaro.

[Dope as Jos]

Right?

[Josh Kesselman]

You're like a rock star. I opened a Instagram, and you're with Dave Navarro.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it blew my.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think I've texted right after.

[Dope as Jos]

So I literally took a picture with him. And I was like, dave, everyone keeps saying we look like we don't look alike, bro. And we took a picture together.

[Josh Kesselman]

You don't look anything alike. Not at all. It's just. It's just like.

[Marty]

Oh, it's an aesthetic.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, that's what it is, aesthetic. You know, Dave, it's cold. Like.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, me. What I remind him of drugs. That's the last thing he really ever said to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is he sober or something? He's super sober because he used to be a walking heroin.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, no, no, he's super sober. And. And we were hanging out. We Used to have some fun. And then suddenly one day I did something. It wasn't even anything major that it pissed him off. And he was just like, you remind me of drugs. I can't be around you. I can't be around you. And we never were friends again.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what, though? If that's what he needs to stay sober, then maybe that's what the it is. Because I think that's insane. Yeah, but I have friends that remind me of drugs, too. I'm not going to snort them. You're a rock star. You think you're not around drugs. You're at Hollywood parties.

[Dope as Jos]

I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

Probably drugs on your food.

[Dope as Jos]

By the way, when I say I did something, I didn't have nothing to do with drugs. We were just hanging out, Just me being me. A walking joint, making jokes and laughing and doing my usual stupid. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, that's a bummer. I could bring it up for that. Jesus Christ.

[Dope as Jos]

Wasn't like I did anything. I know, but. Yeah, it's okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. Well, you don't look like him. I know you guys just. But it is cool to be like, well, you think I look like a rock star. Thanks.

[Marty]

Yeah, I'll take that as a compliment.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. But you know why, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

What?

[Dope as Jos]

Why do I look like this? I told you before we did that. I think it was like, whatever, three years.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because you like rock stars.

[Dope as Jos]

Because this is a hilarious growing up. I. Dude, I'm old as. Remember that? Dude, I had those 80s rock stars in front of my face. All 70s rock stars even. And you're just like, wow.

[Josh Kesselman]

They're still the coolest people on the planet, though.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Rock stars are different than any actor or rapper.

[Dope as Jos]

Freedom, dude. They represent freedom. And they had. They were having fun. So much fun. And of course I wanted to be like them. So when you grow it up, you're modeling yourself. People don't even realize they're doing it growing up. You're modeling yourself after you see.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, for sure. I smoke swishers because the jackass smokes swishers.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, Fucking there it is.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I found papers, but that's why I smoke swishers. I love the jacka.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. So many people told me they smoke raw because we smoke freaking raw. It's the way we are as humans, man. We model ourselves. So I model myself after some badass fun having rock stars. And they were good people too, man. They were always giving back and all that kind of shit. And like, you just model yourself. I've been realizing it's in your subconscious. This you know for sure. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

100 is why people. Most people smoke because James Dean thought it would look cool or somebody made it look sick. Like it just happened. It's the way of the world. It is. Every 56 year old man has a favorite guy when they were growing. Like guys wanted to be like Mickey man. Or I just wanted to be everyone. I don't care how hard or cool or rich or poor you are. Yeah, everyone's got it. And that's just the earth carried away with it.

[Dope as Jos]

Then it became me. It got even weirder.

[Josh Kesselman]

He dressed like a rock star that didn't freak out. Like Johnny Depp was like, yo, I need more accessories today.

[Dope as Jos]

I need more scarves.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. For real. I need to weigh myself down to the ground. But you know, there's. There's a. There's a limit. And I think you're fine. All right.

[Dope as Jos]

Thanks.

[Josh Kesselman]

I will say. I didn't want to say, but now that I know he's being a jerk. Dana Barrel dress is too crazy. He dresses like a Coachella woman. So it's okay. I didn't expect that topic. Snoop Dogg.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

You did hit to hit the blunt.

[Dope as Jos]

I did.

[Josh Kesselman]

We went way off. So what happened? He smoked a gigantic joint. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

He spoke for my supernaturals with me and he was. And we smoked like we smoked because of whiz. We hung out many times and he's always been nice, always been respectful. I only have positive things to say about him. Overall, completely 10,000% so. What a nice dude. For real. And he really, really loves cannabis, which is amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I've heard stories. Yeah. I've heard stories in almost like. See, like Snoop Dogg's not like, you know who I am. He's not that. But there's almost. It comes with him because you're like, do you know who that is?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, for sure.

[Josh Kesselman]

So like he can be like, dog, I'm not waiting here for four hours for this interview. I'm going on now. And you're like, he wasn't being a dick. He's a Snoop Dogg. He's gotta go.

[Marty]

He's got a level of keeping it going.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. See?

[Josh Kesselman]

So like, for sure, there's maybe that's.

[Dope as Jos]

His hardcore business businessman. Which is the only thing that I wish he wasn't such a hardcore businessman. He's a hardcore businessman.

[Josh Kesselman]

Really?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Much more than me. For real.

[Marty]

He's got the best agent in the world. He's in like so much. Like he's everywhere for the past 30.

[Dope as Jos]

The minute anything. When he, when he knows who I am, he's immediately trying to push me into his team, onto his team to do something. I'm just trying to hang out. Smoke.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh. Business wise. Got you.

[Dope as Jos]

He's just, he's much more. He's just, he's. He's smart. Smart.

[Josh Kesselman]

We said the other day he's the top three most recognizable faces in the world. Right.

[Marty]

I was just thinking the most famous rapper in the world.

[Dope as Jos]

For sure.

[Josh Kesselman]

For sure.

[Dope as Jos]

I couldn't think.

[Josh Kesselman]

We try to think about besides Michael Jackson, who's the other most famous recognizable face on planet Earth? Besides like maybe a Kim Kardashian. Because over countries people recognize that. I can't think of another Drake. Okay, maybe Drake. You're right. That's a great.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Damn.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right.

[Dope as Jos]

And if we're going female, you know who it is who does it?

[Josh Kesselman]

Taylor Swift. You have to say.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm not saying. You said it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't say.

[Dope as Jos]

I didn't say. Please do not come after.

[Josh Kesselman]

I actually said that the other day when we brought it up to my friend.

[Dope as Jos]

I shall not say that name.

[Josh Kesselman]

But she looks like the Midwest and I think she would get mixed up in a group of people looking similar. You put Drake in a bunch of dudes with rappers and changed my. Is that Drake? Mike, that girl looks just like Taylor Swift. Because so many people are emulating her look.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't know. I think she looks completely different. And I see nothing wrong with the way that she looks. She is amazing. I think she is great.

[Josh Kesselman]

The beams off your head. Don't worry.

[Dope as Jos]

I will say about Taylor Swift.

[Marty]

These are my own thoughts.

[Dope as Jos]

These are my own thoughts. I have not said and I've only said good things about Taylor Swift.

[Josh Kesselman]

True. This camera is also acts as a gun. So you have to say nice.

[Dope as Jos]

It wasn't me. It wasn't me with him.

[Josh Kesselman]

I heard that they, they, they go wild if you say anything. I don't. I don't know about it.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't.

[Josh Kesselman]

Did you know. What was it eight months ago? I said Taylor Swift is super famous. Right? I asked it because I didn't know. I have no idea. I might as well be 80 in a retirement home. I know nothing about except the people in the house. What you do. I know about that? I don't know anything. I just found out the Sabrina Carpenter girl is a singer. When you said that your girl is going to concert, I didn't know who that was. I need to learn. I don't know the world. I still think Brad Pitt's the most famous actor. Probably not.

[Dope as Jos]

Probably not. Shaman or one of these guys. You have to go some other way. I'm not going there. Not going there. I'm not going there.

[Josh Kesselman]

Charlamagne.

[Dope as Jos]

Not saying I'm not.

[Josh Kesselman]

Nope, nope, nope.

[Dope as Jos]

Not picking anybody.

[Josh Kesselman]

Charlemagne. The God's not.

[Dope as Jos]

He's cool. He's cool. As you said. Charlemagne. Nope, I didn't.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I'm lost. Okay, whoever it was.

[Dope as Jos]

Timothy something. Not saying.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, the Willy Wonka kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a fan of Willy Wonka, the new movie.

[Dope as Jos]

No, it wasn't.

[Josh Kesselman]

Not great.

[Dope as Jos]

Should not have been that.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, thanks. Call it something else.

[Dope as Jos]

So much better. It's.

[Josh Kesselman]

Call something else.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, did you watch. Did you watch the New Crow?

[Dope as Jos]

No, I did not watch New Crow after that Joker movie. We're not. We're not.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't see it yet.

[Dope as Jos]

Don't. That. Don't. Just don't. Just don't.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll just leave it at number one and number two. Never came out. Yeah, I'll just leave it like that.

[Dope as Jos]

Stop.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'd never seen it.

[Dope as Jos]

Not bad.

[Josh Kesselman]

Did you watch Somber?

[Marty]

Did you watch the Penguin yet?

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't. I didn't.

[Dope as Jos]

That's probably great. I didn't watch.

[Josh Kesselman]

Everyone's telling me it's amazing. They're like, it's Tony Soprano, but you know a penguin. You see memes of Tony Soprano with. With a. With a scar. I'm like, so is it this good, dude? I don't know. But yeah, the New Crow. Call it something else. Great movie. Call it something else. Had nothing to do with the movie. That's all. Damn. All right. Snoop Dogg's cool businessman, next story. What is your most fun you've ever had with Wiz? These are questions that people are dying to know.

[Dope as Jos]

Wow. I mean, again, we're probably going 2014 or something like that, right? Yeah, probably about 2014 is your most fun with whiz. Yeah. Because in. In the come up, maybe in 2012. It was in the come up era when it was first coming up. That was fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was 2012-2015 was black and yellow era, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. After black and yellow.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, it's like two years after.

[Dope as Jos]

Before black Hollywood. Right around the time of black Hollywood. It was. That was the come up time. And that was just. It was. He was just so much fun. Like you'd be out. I'd be in a venue with him, like at a concert or something, and he'd be like. He act all serious. You know what tomorrow is you know what? Tomorrow, you know do tomorrow at 10am Right? I'm like what? What?

[Josh Kesselman]

Shopping.

[Dope as Jos]

And then everyone has to come and everyone's going shopping with him and it's just fun like that. Just like dude, the dude was fun and he kept, he would keep the energy going all night long. He was like litter than lit like non stop. He was so much fun and genuine and sweet. Like just. It was great times with him in the beginning. Then. Then he got married and everything changed. Such. His life. Such as life.

[Josh Kesselman]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

[Marty]

How did you link up with him?

[Dope as Jos]

Through Currency.

[Marty]

Oh no.

[Dope as Jos]

So Currency was also a freaking blast. Currency is again. Okay. I remember Currency once said something to me again. Now we're 2010 or something like that on one of the Jet Life tours. I'm in the back of the bus with him hanging out and we're smoking out and he's telling me how he wants to open up a store in Louisiana. And he's telling me I'm going to open up the Jet store. It's going to be amazing. And I'm telling you when I open that store, crime in New Orleans is going to go down. And I say to myself, you're right because he's going to, he's just going to uplift everyone. He's going to teach them smoking is the way. And he's laughing, joking about no one ever, no one ever smoked a joint and said let's go into a fight. No, the joint said let's go rob somebody.

[Josh Kesselman]

Never.

[Dope as Jos]

Never happened. Man, I'm gonna get the whole town stone and crime's going down. And I was like, you're right. But he was just such a great person, you know, like genuine in the heart. So hanging out with him. He's on Intro to Me to Wiz and then fell in with that with all those guys and most of them were just awesome. Just such good people.

[Josh Kesselman]

Fun times really. It's really weird to think back that that's not now.

[Dope as Jos]

Well it's with the sad. The only thing I missed the come up period of all that because I could sit with Wiz and talk to them or Currency, any of them and talk to them about the intricacies of a rolling paper for an hour while we're smoking. And they're actually into it. Like they're really into it. And I could go on, I could tell all my stories, teach them where this came from, where that came from. You know the first person to do, first person ever do a gum line was, you know, the first One to ever make a booklet was. And tell them the whole story of each little detail of it. And they loved it, and I was loving it because they were really caring, you know?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Now it's more like, I meet these celebrities and they're more like, that's the raw guy. I wonder if. I wonder how much money I can get from him, you know, instead of, like, that's what they're thinking, like, oh, he could probably sponsor my video or my. My tour or something like that. Instead of, let's get stone and hang the out. Yeah, that's the wrong guy, dude. Let's get that smoke, bro. That's what I love. And that's what. With Wiz, it was all like that. Because he was all like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

That is missing in the weed industry. Yeah. Everybody's like, so how much are we getting paid? So that it's true.

[Dope as Jos]

So I miss when it was more genuine and sweet and we were literally. We had a sesh circle, you know?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, that's. That's why.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what it is? It's. It used to be niche. These.

[Dope as Jos]

These.

[Josh Kesselman]

These, you know, people coming out, smoking, hanging out, actually hanging out. And then it got big. What's getting that again is the smaller thing. I just went to the sovereignty. The bong sovereignty session. There was one phone out, maybe. Yeah. And everyone just smoking, talking, smoking, talking little circles. I mean, there was like 20, man.

[Dope as Jos]

That's like.

[Josh Kesselman]

I. I just went to go try to get a. Get a. Because you know how hard it is to get these bongs. Oh, my. I had to get an auction. I had to get a place to get an auction to go. I'll give you money. And they go, all right, we'll take your money.

[Dope as Jos]

I didn't know it was like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it was bad. It was. I got up and a fan was like, I'm not gonna buy it. Well, my ticket go, bro. I'm not gonna take your ticket. I was like, I'm not buying anything. Are you sure?

[Dope as Jos]

I will take your time.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll take your tickets. Are you gonna buy something? Like, yeah. And I walked up and I'm there for, like, five minutes looking at, like, these are amazing. And realize everyone's waiting on me because I'm the only per one person. It's an auction. You walk around, you pick. You walk around, you pick. You buy it there.

[Dope as Jos]

You still smoke bongs, huh? Oh, I don't do water filtration much. Much.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what it is for me? It's like, did you play sports when You're a kid at all.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's like playing football and someone goes up for the ball. You grab it and you're going head up and you see each other and you go, all right, it's time to get tackled. And then right when you tackle them, you're looking down on them like this. That's me hitting bongs. I rip it and let the smoke out like that. I don't know what it is. It's like, I do get excited.

[Dope as Jos]

My favorite bongs are gravity bongs because they're hilarious.

[Josh Kesselman]

I can't hit the gravity bongs.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes, you can.

[Josh Kesselman]

They're taste crazy. They're awful. There's so much like 1982.

[Dope as Jos]

There's so much fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

Just like grass and. And like hot plastic so far my.

[Dope as Jos]

Mouth that I could see or feel the smoke come back out through my nose. Dude, one time, Wiz and I were doing the giant bottle thing, you know, wizard. We were dying, man. I thought was coming out my ears.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll say that. It is fun.

[Dope as Jos]

It is fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like doing that. Make you go, what? Let's try it. I like that because my top, you know, my tolerance is non existent. I don't have one. I guess, like, it's just. It's higher than I am. Yeah. I don't know how to explain it.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, then be careful because then you're gonna end up like me. Where? Okay, start off. Oh, 20 milligram edibles. Okay. It's like I took nothing. 40. Okay, cool. 80. Okay, cool. 100. Okay, cool.

[Josh Kesselman]

Josh.

[Dope as Jos]

Next thing you know, you're walking to a wall.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thousands of milligrams Josh.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

My tolerance is beastly. That makes sense. Like, the only things that get me are hash rods and edibles. I took like a 700 milligram the other day.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I went like this. I was like, this is what people feel. Oh, my God. No, no. And I just kind of like. I was like, is my heart good? And I thought, the edibles. This is human. This is like Happy Gilmore. Happy Gilmore's human after all.

[Dope as Jos]

Give me your favorite edible story.

[Josh Kesselman]

Favorite. Or like, my favorite to tell is fun because it's so ridiculous.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

I lived in Merced and I would drive to LA every weekend to do events, you know, that I couldn't eat because I couldn't stop because it was like 18 minutes in between the starting and me getting there in my gps. I'm like, there's no stopping but gas and go gassing. And that was it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I got there, didn't Eat. I get there. My friend's doing medicated sliders, you know, with hash. But they're doing bho, melting it down, putting in the sauce.

[Dope as Jos]

This is a while ago.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yes, 20, 15, 14. But my friend next to him is doing mushroom tinctures, putting them on the bread, and they're eating burgers that way. So they have to like, taste the shrooms. Like, that's scary. So it's me and Rosie running the booth. Obviously we don't have an employee. We never have. We're running the booth and I start eating the sliders. Not the, not the mushroom. I start eating sliders. Then I start eating magooch edibles by Maguchos Crispy, the brownies. And then one used to have the chicken wings and the lemonades and all that stuff. So before I stopped eating meat, I was eating everything. And I was like, well, this is all medicated. And I was doing the Math. I'm like over 4,000mg. I was like, oh, this is not good. I'm like, no, I'm fine. And my friend Ether was sitting there when I got there and he was like that, looking at me. I'm like, yeah. He's like, do not eat. I'm like, fool, you are lightweight. Calm down. And I'm eating because. Don't do it. Don't do it. I'm like, full. Come on. And I ate like six of them, like an idiot.

[Dope as Jos]

So an hour later, you had driven to this event. So you're.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, no, I'm not worried about after because it's like an eight hour event. Like, who cares? But I'm running the booth and then all my. And then my noise just shuts off. My sound, all my hearing just goes off and I hear.

[Dope as Jos]

The white came.

[Josh Kesselman]

What is that? Yeah, I'm taking pictures of people selling shirts and I'm sitting down when there's nobody there. Like, I got a break. I'm looking across the booth, across the walkway to the next booth. And my vision, just this.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I bought the white. The white comes in.

[Josh Kesselman]

I can see closer as if I'm zooming on Snapchat. It's like I'm like, oh, God, no. What's happening? And 20 minutes late, 20 seconds later, I'm sitting there like, don't tell Rosie. She's cool. She ate just as much as I did. She's having a horrible time too. And then I just get locked jaw. Have you ever had that? Yeah, I got. I got it off a dirty CBD pills once the Hell off dirty CBD pills once. And I got locked off so bad that I felt like my jaw was gonna pop and my teeth felt like they were hurting. I don't know what that feeling was. And then my hearing went off and I'm like this. Oh, God, I'm tripping. I'm like, calm down, calm down. Stand up. I'm kind of dizzy. I trip over the. You know, our booth and another booth right there. It's just a table separating it. Somebody left their big duffel bag of weed the people next door, they shouldn't had in our booth. I tripped over it. Tripped over it. And I kind of like landed on a lady sitting on a chair. Like, not bad, but enough where she's like, oh, like, I'm so sorry. I tripped over. She's like, don't worry, it's our bag. I'm so sorry. Time's going on.

[Dope as Jos]

Josh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Josh. This is a nine hour event. Damn near. I have to go to the bathroom so bad, but I'm like, I'm not sitting on these toilets. They're so disgusting. But I'm also like contemplating, like, yeah, if I get a meme tomorrow. Nope. Was yellow straight his pants at the booth because he didn't want to use the bat, like, on edibles. I was so wrecked. Like, what?

[Dope as Jos]

No background world star.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I go like three times, and all three times they're packed. I'm like, no, I can't do it. Go back. Go. I can't do it. Come back and it's covered in piss all over the grounds. I'm not gonna. What am I gonna do? So I go back. I'm taking. I don't remember taking pictures of people. I got them in the dm. I didn't remember taking pictures. Yeah. Blacked out. Gone about an hour later. Josh. I'm standing there just doing the booth, and I get way dizzy. I'm like, what the. Take a step. I trip over something else. Remind me a box. I don't know what had happened.

[Dope as Jos]

Down.

[Josh Kesselman]

Landed on the same lady. And she moved. She moved her chair because you fell at her. I fell on her again. And she was out side of the booth, not even in my booth anymore, but right behind it, but not in my space.

[Dope as Jos]

Question for you. Was she kind of hot?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, it wasn't even that. Oh, it was.

[Dope as Jos]

At least then. Well, at least she's not like. Hopefully she wasn't thinking you were doing it on purpose is what we're worried about.

[Josh Kesselman]

I couldn't even imagine not even thinking. Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, sorry, bro. Uhhuh. She probably thought you did.

[Josh Kesselman]

I never considered at all, cuz it was. Yeah. I'll tell you.

[Dope as Jos]

Probably has a story of the time that you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, she does. She does. She. Every time I pop up, she goes, that guy. Oh, it's not over.

[Dope as Jos]

It's not over.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, great. I go back to the bathroom, cuz I'm like, it's over. I'm going to shave my pants. There's no way I'm. Is it? I get there and then I'm like, ah, Ah, my stomach. I get in the bathroom, there's piss everywhere. And then I see. Remember when hoverboards were like the one wheels the hoverboard, when they were real popular, Just the things people stood on. That's when these first came out. This is what time it. Whatever time that is.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, that's a while ago.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I just hear a guy laughing, going back and forth in the stall, and I hear piss. And he's just laughing. So he's on the hoverboard trying to balance, pissing.

[Dope as Jos]

So he's pissing everywhere?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes. But he's laughing his ass off and for some reason made me die laughing. Like imagining a guy. Yeah, like that's funny.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

He backs out of the stall. Boo. Smacks into the walk. He's on the one wheel, zipping his pants up. Oh, what's up, Toba's, y'all? I'm like, oh, what's up, man? I like your stuff, Mike. That was funny. And then I rolled my pants up and didn't get piss all over me. Finally got to go to the bathroom. I don't know why I didn't think about. I just rolled him into. Well, like, I can't take them off. There's piss on my shoes. We want to hover. I'm not skinny. It's not gonna work anyway. Wrapping up the day, Josh. Bad, bad day. Blackout. Damn. You threw up multiple times. Yeah, just. Just bad. Not good. Packing up my stuff. Dizzy is like so dizzy. Packing it all up. Putting stuff away. Putting stuff away. I move and I trip again. And this is the. This is the thing. It wasn't a trip. It was more of a flop. Like, oh, I'm done. I've never passed out before like that. I didn't pass out, but I got so lightheaded that I went, you don't pass out. I've never passed out before. Like, I've never been knocked out or passed out, so I don't know what it feels like. So when I'M like, what? What? I start moving and falling into the boxes. Smash all over the lady again.

[Dope as Jos]

The third lady.

[Josh Kesselman]

She'S not even sitting at this point. She's, like, standing, like, moving stuff. Like, not standing, but I crouched over, landed full hold on John. Full body weight this time. So wrecked that I push myself up off of her own body. Not, like, put my hands on the ground. I just go, oh. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm on her back, pushing myself up, and she lost it on me.

[Dope as Jos]

I was. Probably shouldn't just hashtag you. Me too, right then and there.

[Josh Kesselman]

Lost it on me. Rightfully so. I mean, every name you could think. Screaming at the top of her lungs, calling me everything. And I'm sitting there just apologizing, apologizing, apologizing. As I'm like, I'm so. I'm. What can I do? I. Fuck. I'm so sorry. Like, this is insane. Three times, and I was like, I gotta be honest. The first time's not my fault. She's like, I know. Like, the second time, not my fault either. This one, I passed out. I apologized, and she's like, three times, and it kind of looks like I'm targeting her.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't know whose booth it is next to me. I walked to the car, packing my stuff up.

[Dope as Jos]

Husband comes up.

[Josh Kesselman]

This dude comes up to me.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's like, yo, what's up? You know when sometimes you, like, you recognize a face, but you're not positive the name? So you want to go, how you been, man? But you want to go, nice to meet you. I was like, how you been? He goes, bro, I just gotta work. Everybody's running my booth. I'm sorry, man. Like, I didn't see you today. I'm like, in my head, like, I don't remember you too well. Where did we meet? But in his head, he's like, oh, we met once. So obviously you remember me. Like, probably met you a year ago. I don't remember. I'm so sorry. I'm good with faces, So I didn't recognize his face.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Don't remember his name. So I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna get. Get the stuff for you. Come right back. I'm like, all right. And he's running back, and he's with somebody.

[Dope as Jos]

That's her.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's like, oh, it's just my wife. And as she's walking up. No way. And she's walking up, I have a box in my hand. I'm looking at Her. I see him and I kind of like, there's no way. He's. This is my wife. She's running the boob. Now. I know you didn't get to introduce you guys, but, you know, this is up. And he said her name, like. And she took it like a champ and went, nice to meet you. And said nothing. Said, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Like, oh, my God, no. And I put it away, and he's like, here's the stuff I want to give him. Like, oh, God, thank you for the stuff. Oh, God, can I pay for it? I put it away and they started walking away. And as they walked away, I'm getting in the car and I can see her start to talk to him. When they get back to, like, the edge and, like, that's over. That guy hates me.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because she's gonna say, that guy assaulted me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Get in the car, quick. Todd, lock the doors. Run.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sorry. That's my favorite edible.

[Dope as Jos]

Quick question for you. By any chance, is your blood pressure kind of elevated?

[Josh Kesselman]

I have no idea why? You think that's why I passed out? No, no.

[Dope as Jos]

I think that's why you don't pass out. My experience. My experience. And I'm probably wrong.

[Josh Kesselman]

Low blood pressure. You pass. I gotcha. Can't.

[Dope as Jos]

I've got. I have low blood pressure. Just. I'm vegan.

[Josh Kesselman]

Are you cold?

[Dope as Jos]

Years. Yeah, I'm cold half the time. All that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm cold and tired.

[Dope as Jos]

When you're vegan, you know, your blood pressure doesn't typically, as far as I know, go up much, so I've got great blood pressure. Like, I'm the poster child for that, but it's kind of on the low side. So if I. If I consume too much and I'm dehydrated, I'm past the look, really. To the point where it's happened so many times in my life that suddenly I'm prepared for. I know when it's coming. I can feel the walls. I call it the white. Talking about earlier, I see the white coming in, I'm like, okay. I wonder if I can beat it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Invading your land.

[Dope as Jos]

I've learned tricks from people on how to work with it. I've learned, like, you take your hands like this and you pull as hard as you can, get your blood pressure up and raise your blood pressure. Try that first. I got steps. The worst step is if it's still coming, you know you're going to go down. Josh, don't. With yourself.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sit down.

[Dope as Jos]

You know, don't Even sit down. Got to get your head, body down, get your legs the up. It sends the blood down to your head and you can recover. I've been doing appearances. I was doing one in Manchester. In Manchester, uk, Having a blast with Nathan from. Oh, God, Manchester Seeds. What a good dude. If you ever make it there, you've got next year. He's such a good guy. He would love it if you came through next year. So you got Tom. So I'm there doing an appearance, having a blast. Dude, throw me a space shuttle. All right. It looks like a space shuttle.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it actually looked like it, yeah. Oh, I thought you just saying the space shuttle.

[Dope as Jos]

No, this thing is a.

[Josh Kesselman]

So it actually did look like a spaceship.

[Dope as Jos]

It was awesome.

[Josh Kesselman]

In the uk.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, in the uk, they went all in. All pure. They went all in. Right. We got. Drew is sharing there. You know famous Drew? Yeah, he's there. We're all smoking this thing. I'm hitting. I'm getting the pictures of me having blast with this thing. Ah, all this smoke. I go back inside, go back to my appearance. Here it comes, Josh. Here it comes. Like, no, no, go away, go away. Try to do my stuff. I'm like, am I gonna fight this off? He's like, it's gonna keep. It's coming a little more. I'm not gonna beat this one. Nathan. I gotta take a 15 minute break. Nathan comes and finds me 15 minutes later in his back room, my legs up, drinking coffee or tea with like salt pouring in my mouth, eating some nuts with black pepper. Salt. Blood pressure. Yeah. He sees me like, but that stuff's all around me now because I'm laying there like, ah. So you got like salt and black.

[Josh Kesselman]

Kind of a cool picture.

[Dope as Jos]

And all the. Around me, he. He walks in, he's like. I hear him say, oh, well, all righty then. And he walks back.

[Josh Kesselman]

UK I can ever hear.

[Dope as Jos]

He just walked in, Josh. Oh, all right then. Okay. I was like, what the.

[Josh Kesselman]

Did I look like D on my.

[Dope as Jos]

Back, my legs up with salt and all this weirdo. I was like trying to snort black pepper and get myself waking up. I can't imagine I look like, like. So it came to enough. Got out there, went back out there and had a blast.

[Josh Kesselman]

So.

[Dope as Jos]

So I've learned to just adjust to it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I will tell you this, okay. I've got. There's a. Where I'm at appearances or I'm doing like, you know, I do for 18 hours sometimes straight. I'll get nine times out of ten in the day. Josh, there's a point where I feel like the, like I'm going throw up. I'mma pass out. I would throw up from here. And like I had acids in my throat. Like I'm a puke. And then I get like this. It's sometimes when I'm doing videos for like more than four hours. Like if I'm sitting there doing videos where I'm smoking a half an ounce and I haven't got up, I haven't drank water because I'm just doing this. It's usually when I'm like this, I feel like, oh, dry. Yeah, that's when you're, you're getting all the time. So I do get that. So I don't know if it's a blood pressure.

[Dope as Jos]

It is if you're dehydrated. That's what's one of the things.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't know if my shit's too high because I'm on the verge of passing out some. Like 20 days a month. A mother, Virginia. Oh my God. I'm so. Because I don't really drink water in my videos, I forget. I'll just be sitting there.

[Dope as Jos]

The low blood pressure, it's whiting you. For me, it's whiting like the white.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've never had that. I've never had a high blood pressure.

[Dope as Jos]

Is more like out. It's a different kind of thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yeah. You know what I was trying to say? Mid pressure, just chilling right away.

[Dope as Jos]

Some. Some of the funny ass people have taught me some funny. Even MGK taught me pass out tricks. Like I've learned so many different things from different people over the years.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is it? That's so crazy. I've never met anybody like, oh, I'm a pass out.

[Dope as Jos]

I have a routine, I have techniques. Right.

[Marty]

I've never even heard.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know I do though, because I'm like, oh, if I'm gonna throw up during. If I like feel so sick I can't continue, I'll just tough it. It's happened on the show how many times where I'm like that? No, I'm good. It'll go away.

[Dope as Jos]

The nausea one. You know what? The nausea one, right? So the nausea one comes from Slash, I think it was who taught it to mgk who taught it to me. It was.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sometimes I'll just spit. Oh, you smell them takes nausea away.

[Dope as Jos]

Boom.

[Josh Kesselman]

Dude, I just saw that. I just saw that. It's like going to doctor's office. You smell alcohol. Like it has to be.

[Dope as Jos]

That kind of alcohol can't be from a drink and it's got.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes. It has to be rubbing alcohol.

[Dope as Jos]

But the cool thing is all of this. Okay. Your experience, my experience, all the little tidbits I picked up along the way, all that information, I try to share it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

With our community so they don't got to go through the trouble of learning it the hard way. I passed out in front of some club in New York City and a. A very strong person named Olga picked me up and put me into my freaking car and got me out of there. So there's been so many experiences like that. Yeah. Passing on New York City sidewalk is not fun. I knew it was coming. I was like, I'm gonna make it. My Uber. I'm gonna make it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm gonna make it dirty on the ground.

[Dope as Jos]

I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know your hair.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is always down, so I know it's on the ground. Damn it.

[Dope as Jos]

Sidewalk.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I dropped a brand new hash hole in New York last time I was there. And I just looked at it like I, like. Like my child just got taken. Yeah, well, I can't save you. You live with new people. Like, you have a foster life. It's over.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like someone else is going to use you. I am not putting my. I love. If I wasn't doing this show, I would move to New York tomorrow. I love it so much.

[Dope as Jos]

I love New York, too. I've still got a spot there in New York City. I was going to do a campaign for them, for Adams. It didn't happen. Don't flick. It'll make your. It might make a dog sit sick. Because people were flicking their joints and they're smoking those.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I never do that.

[Dope as Jos]

Right. Smoking their roaches. And it was. It wasn't like the kind of stuff you and I smoke. It's the flavored stuff. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

All the spray pack stuff. Not just.

[Dope as Jos]

No, not just spray pack. We're talking. I. I don't want to say any brands, but where there's a lot of flavor.

[Josh Kesselman]

Added flavor on the weed.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

They put chops.

[Dope as Jos]

Strawberry. Yeah. They're literally flavoring you. You see this stuff all the time, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, but I thought that was the spray you could. Oh, like terp drops.

[Dope as Jos]

Not just terp. It's actual. It's flavoring. It's flavoring, dude. Like, it isn't. There's terpenes. Okay. There's terpenes where you're adding terps. That's one thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's one thing. Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm actually sorry, guys. Terpenes are amazing. They're amazing. So I love terpenes. If you want to add it, that's your choice. I love. I'm completely supportive of that. But then there's some brands out there where they will take a joint, they add actual, like, lemon flavoring. Not lemonine, lemon flavoring, strawberry flavoring. You know what I mean? Same that was done in the tobacco industry in the 90s, right? The same kind of to make a. To make a strawberry cigarette. Now you're making a strawberry joint, and then they take the end of the joint and they put a sticker over the tip, which I'm completely against, because in my experience, not that I would know anything about this, you're heating that up. You're heating up that sticker. You put a sticker in your mouth. Sticker probably made from a lot of petroleum. Ink is like my worst enemy when it comes to making cones for people. They don't understand. Like, I'm trying to use the least bit of ink on the tip they could possibly imagine. Because even though I'm trying to use the purest inks I could possibly find, I don't want to use any of it because the. As little as possible, because the ink is always not okay. Ink is typically made with things that are or can be made. I don't. The right term to use is. Might be made with heavy metals. So I don't like inks. My goal is always to reduce things. Reducing these stickers are gonna likely probably, who knows, be full of things like heavy metals that you don't want to be putting in your mouth and heating up.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're talking about putting it, like, right here.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, that's cool. It's the whole tip. The whole tip. What? Yeah, I'm not kidding.

[Josh Kesselman]

I would not put my lips on that.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't want to put my lips on it.

[Josh Kesselman]

No.

[Dope as Jos]

People do this. And the whole tip. You are putting your mouth. Because it looks cool, dude. It looks cool.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, that's it.

[Dope as Jos]

That's it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I haven't seen these yet. Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah. This has been out for years. You just haven't hit with it. So I'll send you one. I. Listen, I love smoking. I love these people that are making them. I just wish they would understand what they were doing. They don't know what they're doing. They don't realize putting a sticker in your mouth is not okay, in my humble opinion and experience. Listen, I love human beings. Like, I think you know that about me, right? Like, I'm A big proponent of contributing to humanity and helping people and loving humans. And one of those things I try to teach people is, hey, you probably don't know this, but it's. I, I think, think with all the experience that I've gained in life that it's really not okay to suck on a hot sticker.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, say it like that at. That will stop. Everybody suck on that hot sticker. Sounds insane.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm trying to tell you that's literally what you. Oh, I got a camera right there. Guys, I love you. Please just. I might be I'm wrong. Maybe, for all I know it's good for you, but just. I will not suck on a hot sticker. And I'm asking you to maybe consider that you might not want to suck on a hot sticker.

[Josh Kesselman]

All these hot sticker suckers.

[Dope as Jos]

So now you flick your hot sticker joint dog and a dog eats it because it smells. It tastes like. It smells like strawberry to the dog. The dog gets sick. Dog is up in hospital. WPIX and all these freaking channels pick it up and go against our industry saying that we're freaking making dogs sick.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

That we're the problem. We need to re. We gotta change those cannabis laws. We need new anti cannabis laws because these people are making.

[Josh Kesselman]

That makes sense, actually.

[Dope as Jos]

And I'm sitting there like, no, no, Cindy Adams from Daily News. I'm literally telling her she's a heavy anti weed person. And she's bitching at me about. And bitching got me strong about her friend's dog that got sick over this. And I'm like, cindy, I will work on this. I promise. Our smokers, our people, they don't mean to do this. They don't know they're making dogs sick or they wouldn't flick. I promise you, Cindy, I will. I will work on. I broke my promise. I did a couple videos, but I didn't do the real campaign I wanted.

[Josh Kesselman]

But then again, it goes for saying flavored cigarettes. There's more flavored cigarettes in our joints for some reason.

[Dope as Jos]

They're not. That's not the issue of getting the dog sick. It's our freaking joints that are getting these dogs. Maybe the dog knows nicotine naturally. Stay away, stay away, stay away. Nicotine is a. I think it's a. I think it's a neurotoxin. It's definitely a poison. It's a pesticide. You know, it's not good for us. The plant never talked about tobacco, by the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

We have. But you said you love tobacco.

[Dope as Jos]

I do.

[Josh Kesselman]

List Certain aspects.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, now you have to understand what nicotine actually is. We have to look at that because we're consuming nicotine. So many people are there vaping all this stuff now. What is nicotine actually, from my limited understanding, look how I have to talk, by the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's lame, annoying, you know, I, I.

[Dope as Jos]

Wish I missed the freedom I had before I got, before I became successful. If you become successful, by the way, you're going to lose freedom. This is life. Because there's going to be some people out there, if you're successful, they look at you as you are taking away from them and then therefore they're going to do everything they can to try to take you out. This is the way. They're not bad people, they're good people. It's just that humanity is such, and our business structure and all, whatever the shit we do is such that some people believe with a very limited mindset that if you're successful, that means you're taking away from them and therefore they're going to do what they can to take you out. And so if I say one wrong, one wrong word here, there's some person out there who's going to try to take me out from that. So nicotine in Josh's limited understanding, I'm sorry, Altria, if I get this wrong, okay, it's a pesticide that a plant and not just tobacco, eggplants and a bunch of other nutshade, nightshade type plants developed it also. They developed this to kill bugs that were trying to eat it, right? Darwinism develops this bug comes. You used to eat the whole plant dead. Well, one of them happened to have this weird change that developed this little thing here called nicotine. Bug comes to eat it, bug dies, plant lives. Oh, now that plant propagates. Now we got a whole bunch of freaking nicotine producing plants, right? Kills animals come to eat it, deers, all this kind of stuff. They get sick, maybe they die, maybe they get cancer. Great. Plant wants that. So if you are smoking nicotine, the tobacco plant, if it was able to talk to you would say, I am trying my best to kill you.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's crazy to say out loud.

[Dope as Jos]

If the plant could talk to you, that plant because it wants to kill you, dude, it wants to, it wants you to die so that you'll stop smoking it. Because it wants to live it. Its method of living is by killing the bugs, killing the animals, killing you. That's how tobacco thrives and survives on our planet. It doesn't want you to consume it There are amazing seed bearing plants that all of us love that really want you to consume it. They release terpenes to attract animals to it so that you will eat it. It wants you to eat it. It wants that seed to go down to your belly. It wants to go out with your poop onto the ground so it can sprout and form a new plant. It is symbiotic with us. It's begging you to eat it. Its whole existence is based on us and other animals and things like that eating it. Those are great plants. That's where we got to consume, man. But when it comes to tobacco, it's looking at you and saying, don't do it, bro. I'm a kill you, dude. No, don't with me.

[Josh Kesselman]

And if you can only put that on everything, I would be more happy. See, that makes me happy. Makes me feel like, oh, this drink says, I'm gonna make you a little sick, but you're gonna be thirsty too. Like, I'm not gonna drink you. If it just said like that. They live, obey, reproduce, they live.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Kesselman]

If you just give me that, I'm down.

[Dope as Jos]

I was just watching Roddy, Roddy Piper on Freaking Always Sunny and missing him so much.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was $5 he was screaming at the guy for. God. That's a good episode. You know what he called you when you left? I don't know why he called you that. And was it at the end? He's like, you boys. I really, like. I really want to tell you, dude. Oh, Josh, I love that you watch On Sunday. Roddy Piper. They live. It's just. It's factual. It's as real as the Matrix is.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And both of those movies are damn near documentaries.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And it scares.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I always go, I wonder how.

[Dope as Jos]

Much of your audience actually has seen they Live.

[Josh Kesselman]

I talk about it a lot.

[Dope as Jos]

Do you? Good.

[Josh Kesselman]

So we've suggested like three times now.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's important.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's an important movie. It's scary. It's because it's so real.

[Dope as Jos]

It's so real.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, man. This is what I gotta deal with. I'm just gonna do this. I'm dumb. I'm dumb. I'll just live my life. And I'm just doing the robot over, like, that's me going through life. Like, just leave me the alone. If you don't look at the bulls, the bulls won't attack. You know why? Because there's 800 bulls and there's only one of me. I can only take out like three and then they're gonna be like, remember that guy yesterday? I don't. We killed him. Like, hell. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's gone then.

[Josh Kesselman]

Let me just robot my ass through life. Please don't go.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. I don't go there. Where I try to. I try to take an approach of Marcus Aurelius. I mean, it's more. Who's that famous Roman emperor who wrote this great book called Meditations. And the cool thing about the book, he didn't write the book for people. It was. It was notes to himself. It was like you wrote notes to yourself, and then you died. And then someone found the notes and published the.

[Josh Kesselman]

Out of your private.

[Dope as Jos]

And you were a Roman emperor, you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Know what I mean?

[Dope as Jos]

And you wrote some really cool notes to yourself where it reflects forever.

[Josh Kesselman]

Well, had wraps in there, and, yeah, they'll be gone.

[Dope as Jos]

So one of the notes he wrote to himself that always resonates with me is, you have. You do not have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to have an opinion on everything.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, God, I love that so much. It's so true.

[Dope as Jos]

So relax.

[Josh Kesselman]

How many times. I don't give a. I keep walking like, oh, I don't care enough to. To care.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't have to care about this. I do not have to have an opinion of this. I love that I'm not gonna have an opinion.

[Josh Kesselman]

I feel like it's like in a clean room, and every time you have an opinion on it, you put one more thing in your room, and by the time you know it, you can't even walk around. Like, yeah, because you're so opinionated, and.

[Dope as Jos]

We'Re fighting with people. You only.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're only interested in three things. You got 700 opinions, 697 you don't even care about.

[Dope as Jos]

There are some things we must have an opinion on.

[Josh Kesselman]

Of course I'm saying. But those three.

[Dope as Jos]

Those are three of them. We're like, okay, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

But there are many things where we can sit there and say, you know what? This is bigger than me. I don't really understand it. Where the. If I have an opinion, I'm probably wrong half the time. Right? I'm probably wrong. So I'm gonna just sit there and.

[Josh Kesselman]

Say, no, dad, don't care.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Marty]

I know enough to know that I don't know about this.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm not educated enough to have an opinion. I say that a lot. Like, I don't know enough to care or have an opinion. That would matter. I'd just be guessing, you know, if you don't have.

[Dope as Jos]

That's.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the thing. I love that so much. If you. Not everything. You don't have to have opinion on everything is. The Internet is just dying because of it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Everyone's just happening.

[Dope as Jos]

Look on X, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, you want to talk about. Oh, my Elon Musk. It's called Twitter. I like Twitter better. I don't like saying X. It sounds like porno.

[Dope as Jos]

I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. You've been on X. I've taken many.

[Dope as Jos]

I do prefer the name Twitter. I really do.

[Josh Kesselman]

Twitter just sounds funny. Yeah, it sounds fun.

[Dope as Jos]

Great. And we all know Twitter. Twitter, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

Give me the bird.

[Dope as Jos]

Harsh black cross like this. Dude, come on, calm down.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a little much. Elon Musk might be one of the most fun like right now if you could pick. He probably one of the people on the earth of like, no cameras. I want to have a conversation with this guy. One of the few people like, I need to talk to you because I want to know what talk like in to an.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I. I have spoken with him. You don't want to speak with him?

[Josh Kesselman]

Why? No, he seems like overly intelligent to where it's like, can I ask you simple things and I want to know your opinion on it and why your brain broke it down. Like, I don't think there's another human on Earth. I'm like, how can you speak and also be so smart and then also be robotic?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, robotic would be a good way to put it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because he's so smart. He's like, personality doesn't compute with this. I need to. I believe a Mark Zuckerberg type of thing.

[Dope as Jos]

I believe in my personal humble opinion, that he severely lacks empathy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. A human.

[Dope as Jos]

And because he lacks. He frightens me. And I don't like him being in a position of power only because in my personal experience, he lacks empathy. And that is scary to have a human being in charge of many other human beings and making. Helping make decisions that impact humans.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

And I. You're talking to dude who loves humans. And now we have someone who's might be making a lot of decisions about them, who lacks enough empathy. So I wish he had more empathy.

[Josh Kesselman]

And maybe his children growing up will cause that because he's. He's just. Maybe it will.

[Dope as Jos]

Maybe I. I can if. You know, I would. I hope if there's such a thing. Hey, universe, come together. Strike him down with empathy. Give it to him. And then therefore, he would be a great. He'd be much. I would be like much more like.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Try to put this. Really.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I have a question though. Because he's the position of power you're talking about. Elon Musk is born somewhere else. Aren't you? Is that allowed? I have no idea. I'm not against her for it.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't become a president.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it's only the president. Because at first I'm like, hey man, you're a football player. This is a baseball team. You got to be a baseball player to be here. Like, what the is going on? My. One of my cousins can't even get a job.

[Dope as Jos]

I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

He's not even from here. So when I saw my. Hey man, I've seen idiocracy. It's getting close. Yeah, it's getting close.

[Dope as Jos]

But then when people lack empathy, they make decisions that are based on a lack of empathy. You can imagine where that leads, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. To. To Terminator 1.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes, it leads to Terminator 1. It also leads to places that I can. For my. For me. I have to bring it back to this, you see here, to rolling papers. Because that's where I've studied history. Right. I haven't studied history in terms of other much. It's really in terms of rolling papers and I studied the history of rolling papers deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply. Probably more than any other humanity in the world. Right. Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I could. I could probably say that there's not people that make it that are experts. Yeah. There might be a couple hundred year olds out there that wish.

[Dope as Jos]

I wish they were. They'd be my friends. A lot. The people that I knew that knew more than me have passed away like. But maybe, maybe there's someone out there that I don't. Haven't met. It's entirely possible. It's just. What I've seen in history is decisions that were made based on a lack of empathy really hurt human beings. Such as. There were certain people out there that lacked empathy. One of the things they did was they decided that people with. That had. Were experiencing mental problems. I don't know what the right term is nowadays. Yeah, sorry. But they were having severe problems. They would be in an institution. And one of the first things this person did was go in there and. And kill them all because they were drained on society and anyone else who had a physical handicap. They were too much of a drain in society. They were removed from society in order to make society more productive. When you are removing empathy from a society, this is the kind of thing you can expect to Occur and I'm not. I'm really against that, dude. Like, I'm really like, you know those three things that we have to stand up for and have an opinion on. This will be one of the things where I can be like, no, no, you're gonna have to get through me first. You're not killing these people. I will help them.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't think that's even.

[Dope as Jos]

It's where.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a debate.

[Dope as Jos]

It's where it goes though. You know, this is the. It's a road. You start here and you start talking about how all the problems are them and them and them and them and them and them and them and they're. They're not productive. They're not productive. This is a bad. They're draining society. All this stuff we need to cut back funding. It starts there. It ends with cutting out the people. It just goes on down that road. You.

[Josh Kesselman]

Even if you're any road, that would be the road.

[Dope as Jos]

Even if you're not gonna go in there machine gun them down, you're gonna cut out their funding so that you're essentially machine gunning them down. You. We have to help each other. I get that we're all humans. I don't like people like to think our egos like to make us think that we're greater than each other in some way. But we're not. We're not. We're not. I wish we were, man. I wish one of us had like superpowers like in those TV shows and.

[Josh Kesselman]

One of you out there gots it. I wish give us unrestricted.

[Dope as Jos]

We're all gonna end up in that same damn dirt in the end. The same dirt one way or another. Sure. Maybe you'll be in space. You won't end up in dirt. You'll just be a one way or another. You know what I mean? We end up in the same damn dirt.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So if we're all going to have in the same dirt, maybe we got to help each other out a little bit. Be nicer to each other, take care of each other a little bit more. You know, when I moved to Canada, one cool thing I saw was they had a working social safety net. So if you really fell down, like you got. Went completely broke, you were homeless, all these kind of things, experiencing homelessness. You had resources, and because you knew that you could only fall down so far that there was a floor, you didn't get as desperate and you weren't as likely to stab me with a knife to get my wallet. You just weren't that way, it leads to a better society. In my. In what I've seen when people are not okay. If I don't. I'm starving. I'm not going to die. So therefore, I'm going to kill you to get your money so that I can eat. Put people in a position like that. It isn't the person's. You're creating a terrible situation.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And I saw in Canada how it worked, where people were not as violent at all. At all. And they weren't. Weren't as likely to get. Come after me in a bad way. And that was. I saw. And it moved there. I was like, holy shit. This is actually better. This is where tax money should go. This is working. That part of it works. Yeah, it's all up there too. I know. I get it's terrible, but that part of it worked and I really liked it, man. Because you felt more. You could walk down the street without having that kind of thing. No one's gunning you down. It's so unlikely. No one's robbing you. It's so unlike. It happens, of course, but I feel.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like people don't talk about Canada a lot because I think Canada's like, don't talk about us. It's dope here. Don't bring no more here. Yeah, I felt really vibe for sure. I feel like, like, oh, we actually have two speeding tickets. You can't come go back.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah, they're like that. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like Canada. And they're so nice that everybody's like, all right, I'll go home. I feel like who else in history has a better reputation than Canada? Oh, you mean. They're real nice. Oh, thank you. Sorry. I'll be. Canada.

[Marty]

Have they ever gone to war?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah, during the. During the big wars. Yeah.

[Marty]

Okay. But you never hear about them getting into, though.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, it's one and two.

[Josh Kesselman]

They were smoking weed and playing hockey, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. World War I and 2, they didn't. They were. There were no major conflicts since then that I'm. That I can. That I've heard of, you know.

[Marty]

Have you still been going overseas and doing the Wells?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Yes and no. What happened was if you, you know, if that awful thing that occurred two years ago about where we ended up fortunately receiving a large chunk of change. Right. The jury awarded us, like, over a million bucks, and the judge increased it to about one point, almost about 1.5 with interest. And then we took all the net proceeds that we got from that and we put it into one bank account and Then we divvied up and because of the way we had gotten that money was someone had really done said some really awful things about, I like to say me and my friends, meaning like smokers in general, maybe like whiz. All these kind of people were not spoken of very kindly and done done a disservice. I decided to use that money to kind of give right back to the society that built us up. And it was, here's how I look at it, the people that stood up for us the most, the people that stood by us when we were attacked and all that went down, our, our community. I wanted to thank them because it wasn't really my victory, it was our victory. So I took all that money and I tried to give it back in ways that really helped our local community. Meaning like our community here of smokers and stuff. I tried to earmark it, like 200 grand went to the last prisoner project.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's one question I had about that, actually. Can you please explain a little? I know we're, you're telling us, but for everyone out there, I, I've, I've seen the outcomes.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've seen people get down like the celebration.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

What is this about? How does this work?

[Dope as Jos]

It works like this. All right, so which is why they need so much money. You got teams of lawyers and lobbyists that are going to go, they'll go to the president, they go to various government offices, senators, congressmen, everyone like that. And they're pushing them, saying, this person was locked up for 30 years for a crime that's no longer a crime. It's no longer a crime. Dude, can we let him go? He's already served eight years for something that's no longer a crime. These are his kids growing up. This is his family. Would you please let him out? Come on, sign this. Let him out. It's time. It was 30 years. It was non violent cannabis offense. Let him out. This dude here, it was his third strike for smoke in a joint. Come on, man. Life in prison. Can we let him out, please? This is not fair. This is not right. So they'll do letter writing campaigns. It's a matter of putting pressure on government officers to sit there and say either give them a new trial or would you please sign this to let him free? Come on. You could do it. You have the pat. You have the ability. Whether it's the president or if it's a state charge, depending on who it is you're pushing on governors a given.

[Josh Kesselman]

If it's no longer a Crime. Everybody gets to get out.

[Dope as Jos]

Wouldn't you think?

[Josh Kesselman]

Right?

[Dope as Jos]

No, I still have a felony on my record from the 90s because I sold a bong to the daughter of the United States Customs Service special agent in charge. Or my store did, anyway, in Tallahassee, Florida. And they came in with their freaking helmets on, the boots, the guns. Next thing I know, like, I'm. Like, I'm on the floor with a machine gun to my head. From what I remember, it sucked. And because it was a federal felony, it's still on my record to this day. They picked on me about it during this whole thing I went through. And they. Everyone. They still do on this awful guy. Oh, my God, he's a felon. Did you know Josh Kesselman is a felon? Did you know?

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't know. You're a felon.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I'm a felon. Dude, I sold a bong.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's crazy.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I know. And you can't get it off your record because it's federal. There's no expungement process. You see?

[Josh Kesselman]

Right.

[Dope as Jos]

But this is. These aren't. Yes. You people.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay?

[Dope as Jos]

One of the things we like to do as humans is we like to. What's it called? You put somebody up. Cartelize someone. Like, you guys see me now with all this. I'm doing great. You weren't there in 96 when the feds were in my door. That sucked. And it stays with you. That sucked.

[Josh Kesselman]

I had no idea.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was sucked. So some. I've been personally negatively impacted by these antiquated cannabis laws, and it's time for them to change. I understand what these people are going through, you know, I really do. And I want to help them. They're part of. They're us. Yeah. We're doing right now. You're smoking that joint. He's in jail for doing the same thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Well, I think I always say, thank God I'm in California.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I always say that's the best thing ever happened.

[Dope as Jos]

Even though you're in California. Hey, do you know what? You sold something to the daughter of some local United States customer service. And he's pissed. He's not blaming his daughter. Guess who he's blaming, Dude, Guess who he's blaming? You. Here he comes, man. Hear that knock on the door out there? Hear them bang? Oh, they pushed the door open. They slammed it opened. One of those rams. Oh, dude, here they come. With the helmets and the boots and the guns. And you're like. But you can't. It's Legal here? No, it's not legal federally. So they're still doing their thing. They are still angry about it. Some of them have, like when what I went through at the end, many of them actually reached out to me over the years to apologize. And I would say to them like the, I won't say their names even. But I would say to them each time, because it happened more than once. It's not me to forgive you. You're the one who did the thing. You have to forgive yourself. I hold no ill will towards you, but you have to forgive yourself. I'm not, I can't forgive you. And they'd be like, oh, yeah, thanks. So from where I come from, from my personal background, I want to see all of our people free. I want them out of jail. Nobody should be jailed for a, for our damn beautiful freaking plant. Nobody. So of course I'm going to give the money to try to help.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know there's a list of how many people are in prison right now.

[Dope as Jos]

There's so many.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's thousands, right?

[Dope as Jos]

There's thousands, there's thousands. So Last Prisoner Project is trying to not only change the laws, but free these individual. You find the worst cases of people that got life in prison for a joint. And then you try to free them and sometimes you're very successful. They've done a great job. They really have. They've done tremendous work. So I've worked with them. I've worked with several other organizations, some great ones too. I, I, I'm really trying to spread it out among our community to undo some wrongs that I have personally seen and experienced and felt. I've done a lot of work, as you know, in Ethiopia and other places like that where we've done some direct life savings. I then just shifted my focus for a moment to try to give right back to the people that made me. Yeah. People that are suffering for me and for you and for the people that are watching this right now. If we, if you look at it like that, to understand that they are in jail for you, that could be you there. Just like anything else we were looking at then you feel a little differently and you're like, okay, that's my guy. I got to get that person free. I, I gotta help. So we gave him a lot of it away that we finally. We've done so many beautiful things with that money. We really have. And the last donation, as you know.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

We did just about Halloween and we did it for you in your honor.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. No, so awesome. The videos I Watched both the videos are great.

[Dope as Jos]

Did you?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Marty]

And Merced, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no, no. Our guys Merced lagged.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh. So we had them. This was the final donation. The last of the lawsuit victory money certificate. Which is beautiful.

[Josh Kesselman]

It says the name.

[Marty]

Wow, that's awesome.

[Dope as Jos]

We gave the last 38.523 sick to help start living behavioral health centers. They sick. Specifically earmarked for people that have experienced. Have been negatively impacted by cannabis laws. That's the right way to say it. But these are people that have been.

[Josh Kesselman]

She said she bought two vans.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Because she's helping people that have been.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. In and out, back and forth. Can you put that down or. Right here. I want to. Oracle, please take this. I just want to get ashes on it. Or ashes might be cool. Just put it over there.

[Dope as Jos]

From my understanding, she's. She's helping women that have been also suffered abuse. And we, you and I, have seen some women suffer some terrible abuse, sometimes even on video, that broke our hearts. And so once you see something like that, it sits with you. So when something sits with me, it sits in the back of your brain. It's. You have to undo it. You have to get it out. You gotta. I gotta get rid of it, or else I sit there, next thing I'm crying.

[Josh Kesselman]

You don't want that money, right?

[Dope as Jos]

That's not my mother.

[Josh Kesselman]

Hell, no.

[Dope as Jos]

That's what I call blood money. That's money that.

[Josh Kesselman]

You can't use any of that.

[Dope as Jos]

Nope. You gotta buy a car.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're gonna die.

[Dope as Jos]

You're dying. That car. That car is going to hurt you. You have to do something good with the money. That's what the universe said to you, Josh. You take it and you do something to go with it because you give it back. You use it for yourself.

[Josh Kesselman]

You are fucked. I believe in karma so hard.

[Dope as Jos]

You've broken the contract with the universe, Josh. You will suffer.

[Josh Kesselman]

But it is cool, like money. I need it, but I can't take it.

[Dope as Jos]

No, it's not my.

[Josh Kesselman]

And the universe is going to be like, you know what? I'm going to get you back. Don't worry about it.

[Dope as Jos]

I like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Got you. I'll get you later. Oh, it's the best feeling.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm like, even if it doesn't. Even if it doesn't. No.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what the universe is saying. You're just like, I can't do it.

[Dope as Jos]

You can't. You can't.

[Josh Kesselman]

You can't.

[Dope as Jos]

Nope, nope.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's. There is a thing called, like, living with yourself. How do I Do it after this. Cool.

[Dope as Jos]

I got a Bugatti.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, no part of that sucks.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, you're gonna die in that Bugatti. God is going to be your downfall. One way or another. That money is yours. That was not my money. I didn't win that money off that money. You guys won that freaking money. It wasn't me. We have to use that to undo some of the harm that's been put upon us by so many sources out there. We got to stand up. And I did not do a good enough job up to that point of standing up, I believe for our local community. Now I finally awoke in the beast, whatever the it is. And now, yeah, I'm standing up for these. And it's like you, you know, now you're with him, you're with me. It's time. I gotta stand with them. No, I can't let you do this anymore. I can't. It's one of the three things now. You know what I mean? There's no.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's just so odd that you guys have to ask. Should there be like, yo, this guy in for non violent weed? It's not even.

[Dope as Jos]

What the you in here for? I sold a pound. Get the out of here, dude. Go, go, go, go, go.

[Josh Kesselman]

It depends on the judge too, because I've seen some horrible things happen. I've seen some miracles. My friend just got a miracle thrown at him good. From a great judge over some weed. And like he was going to prison. Thrown out.

[Dope as Jos]

I had a formal federal judge working as a mediator on some other case. And that means where you're hired privately as meter. And he and the other guy tried to do their thing. They sat there and said what a bad guy Josh is. Did you know he has a. He sold a bong. He is a felon. He's a felon. What a bad guy.

[Josh Kesselman]

They know what the fuck sells.

[Dope as Jos]

We did the whole thing. He sells rolling paper. He's a bad guy. What a. He don't know what those things are used for. They're used for a class one, blah, blah drug.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh my God, he's such a bad. Oh, you could say it like that, right?

[Dope as Jos]

That's what they do to me. This is what they do.

[Josh Kesselman]

Products used for people. And the people posting someone might be underage.

[Dope as Jos]

You know what the federal judge. You know what the fed judge did?

[Josh Kesselman]

Throw it out.

[Dope as Jos]

No, he came back to us and he said. He told us what they had said essentially. And he said, you know, I use cannabis almost every day.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

He had fallen down and from what I remember. And of course, memory is not the greatest thing. He had an escalator jammed as he was going on it, and he fell down an escalator, hurt himself to the point where he could no longer function. Took disability from being a federal judge because he couldn't function. And the only thing that got him off the pain meds was cannabis. I don't care if it was CBD or thc, whatever it was, one way or other, that dude told me he's using cannabis pretty much every day of his life. I remember the story, and if I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. And when he told me that, I was like, oh, God damn it, like. And he said to me, you know what I said? If I could undo the sentence I had done to all those people for cannabis, I would, but I can't. All I can do is write letters on their behalf. I remember him saying that to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I was like, damn, but that's another one on the team.

[Dope as Jos]

He's another one of the teams that. One team, another team. But it's not like that. I want. I couldn't have done it back then and realized.

[Josh Kesselman]

Couldn't even think of it. It's all. Every. Everything is a movie. And the second. The first part. They always hate you.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, you're right.

[Josh Kesselman]

And the third part. Sorry for being such a dick back, Bobby, but you really are the heart and soul of this team. Yeah, water boy. I'm telling you, that's how it works.

[Dope as Jos]

You're right.

[Josh Kesselman]

But that. That's just. That's life, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so back to one thing we were talking about before. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm weaving.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, so.

[Dope as Jos]

Marcus Aurelius in his had said, and I believe he's right, that we are all here to serve each other. Right? That's our actual purpose as humans. Right? It isn't procreate, sure, blah, blah, blah. But we're really here kind of here to serve each other. My particular method of serving humans is by trying to make them the greatest rolling papers and smoking stuff that I possibly can. Ideally, the greatest that ever existed in the history of humanity. Okay? That's me. That's what I'm trying to do. Your method of serving them, do you see? You're serving them just by talking to them, by sharing, by uplifting them, by making them feel connection, by you opening your soul to them, Yola. And you, Marty, as you guys do this, as you look at your audience, and talk to them and really share with them. Because you don't just share with them a little bit. You share with them more than I do. Honestly.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah. There's probably almost nothing I haven't talked about. Damn near. I mean, there's probably some stuff I probably haven't talked about.

[Dope as Jos]

By sharing that with people, especially in today's society where we have a lot of difficulty connecting with each other, you are serving them. This is your chosen path of serving humanity, and you're doing an amazing job of it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I always like to say it's like just teaching. How many people come up, you tell me how to roll a joy. I bet you taught 50 other people, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. So you always think, who invented the Alphabet and who did this? Like, I don't know. But you know who the taught it? That guy. His name's on the book. Like, yeah, I'll just be the guy. I didn't invent smoking weed, but I can show you how to do stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And not judge the out of you while you do it, because that's the bad. Because I remember being like, you can't even do it right. You remember me? Show me how to do it.

[Dope as Jos]

Rolling a joint was a magic trick. I knew it. A few people did. If I want to teach someone, people are like, what?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I remember the blunt was. I had a couple to do it. Because if you roll it, you get to smoke it. That's the ghetto ass thing.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. If you really do, they're always going to call you up, bro. You're always gonna.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're always gonna be able to smoke.

[Dope as Jos]

You go says, for free, bro. Don't teach them how to roll. And I said, they're like, what the Kind of. When we get. We start getting big on social media. One of the first things I started doing was, all right, I'm gonna start teaching the world how to roll. Because the more people that rope joints, more people are gonna enjoy it easier. It's a beautiful way of serving humanity. Man, this is great. I started developing new techniques. I started thinking of my grandmother, who I still love. I know she's passed away. I'm trying not to cry. It was like, okay, If I can develop techniques that I could teach to my grandma that I know that I could teach it to the world, not my crazy role in technique. I get it. I understand my stuff's a little too weird or complex, you know, Might take a while to teach that. But I can start off with new ways. And we try to come up with cool shit that other people had probably invented before me. Like the tip tuck. Right? Tuck it in there. You roll up tip, you tuck the paper in, you continue to roll the tip and it caused the whole thing to roll over.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yeah, yeah. Like. Like it's the boat method is what I've heard.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, the boat's something else. The boats where you roll the front and. And you roll the back.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it's different.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, the tip tuck. It's like one of the standard things. I started teaching it like again when social.

[Josh Kesselman]

How do I remember this tip tuck?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it's super popular. It blew up. It's like when you don't know how to roll. Well, it's like the easiest way to roll. Like. Holy. The self tucking roll. I teach it that in different ways but like different styles of.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yes. We sorry. You tuck under the tip and it goes. And you just do this. This right? Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's like. It's like a one handed roll all day. Like oh look, we have a one handed roll. Like a cool lamp. It's started teaching everyone how to roll all those different tricks techniques, teaching them the pen tricks. We start off by rolling with the pen to train the brain. Then you roll a little bit off the pen. Then you roll a little less with the pen and you pretend the next thing you know the pen's the size of your tip and you're basically rolling a joint. I've taught so many.

[Marty]

I just watched that video.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. You know, because I want the whole world to know how to roll a joint. Because then they're all rolling with us. They're all getting higher together. Literally.

[Josh Kesselman]

Some people just don't smoke because they can't roll.

[Dope as Jos]

I know. So that was the greatest thing about cones, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yeah. Well, the first he ever bought was ever saw was a cone. Yes. Smoking Jays Merced. Top left shelf. What the. A cone.

[Dope as Jos]

By the way, I used to actually handle that account myself back in like a long. I would call that be the one selling them.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's epic as hell. Yeah. Smoking Jays Mercedes. First time I ever saw the first bong shop I ever stepped foot in and I went, oh yeah, here's my id.

[Marty]

How do the cones and the papers compare to like overall? Do the people prefer the cones or do people still like the papers more?

[Dope as Jos]

Overall? People still like papers more worldwide? I would say like so cones are. Are just tremendous. And I'll tell you why. And it's the same reason why for in general, in general, I believe cones are the best Way to smoke either. Doesn't matter if you're rolling yourself or stuffing it. The cool thing about a pre rolled cone. Let's open one up here.

[Josh Kesselman]

And you said these are different.

[Dope as Jos]

These are different. I know they say that they're raw black cones but they're actually not. They're actually raw ethereal cone prototypes. I like, I brought various prototypes. I'll go through this. Like the cool thing about a cone is we can now very easily pack it tighter down by the tip. Tight, tight, tight. And progressively less tight towards the top.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And by doing that the bottom kind of acts like a little bit of a filter. You're going to get less scoobies but it also gives you a tighter draw. You can adjust it just by packing that bit there so it holds it up there. And then from what I've learned. And again some of this is. I have to. I don't know any way to say this. Don't hold me to this. I'm probably wrong. Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Or it's preference.

[Dope as Jos]

It's the Venturi effect which is just like you know when you flush a toilet and watch the water go. That's what I've seen. Maybe I'm wrong happening in the smoke. So it's picking up more actives and delivering it to you. Rather than a straight where it goes. I did a video years ago to show people, even on Tick tock with birdseed. I made a freaking funnel with a small opening and I made a straight tube and I put the same out of bird seed in each. I opened the bottom of one. It goes open the bottle of the funnel one and it goes slowly. If you look at the top, you're watching it go. So as your smoke's doing that because it's. There's a name for this. I don't know what it was but as your smoke's going through there like that, it's having more time to kind of pass through.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And then you also have the. I believe it's called the Bernoulli effect which is again the thing of when you take something wider and bring it down to a smaller point, it compacts it. It can changes the way the smoke performs. So you can get like. I think, I think I get better high off a cone than off any strange joint that ever, ever. And I smoke so much. Dude. Straight just isn't it, isn't it for tobacco?

[Josh Kesselman]

Sure.

[Dope as Jos]

Because you're not trying to do all this with tobacco. I get. Dude, you're back.

[Josh Kesselman]

It all comes down to preference also.

[Dope as Jos]

Preference, of course.

[Josh Kesselman]

But if that's what your experience you've noticed.

[Dope as Jos]

Crazy. I'm testing for the.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I know you are. I know that.

[Dope as Jos]

But my chief science officer told me verbally, I'm not going to go there. It doesn't matter.

[Josh Kesselman]

Not going to bring exact opposite experience.

[Dope as Jos]

I figure, are you grab. You going gram for gram?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no. Say, say, say a pack that. Yeah, I'll rip it down as hard as I can and go. Did I get high yet? Did I smoke? I think it's the tip. I don't have a big enough opening and I think I need more. I think my brain's like, not enough airflow. Not enough airflow. You're not getting high. I might be wrecked, but I think my brain's going, oh, you're not getting enough airflow.

[Dope as Jos]

You are. You are decreasing airflow. But that's just a matter of adjusting for the right cone for you.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why there's fatter.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I make like, gosh, you know how many freaking cones I know rockets.

[Josh Kesselman]

The five stage rocket.

[Dope as Jos]

And I'm trying each time. And because my brain just said of what you just said, I just launched a cone a month ago called the level cone, which was originally called the 1 degree cone because it's a very slight cone. Very slight big ass opening at the end. One beautiful spiral tip to make it where you can get 1 degree degrees.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's not actually how I roll. I don't roll cones. I roll a 11 degree. I like that. Just not straight. But not.

[Dope as Jos]

I learned that from clove cigarettes in Indonesia because they all these different kind of closed cigarettes and they roll cones. But they realized the type of cone they were rolling for their tobacco cigarettes was basically a 1 degree cone. I was looking at this. I'm really enjoying it.

[Josh Kesselman]

So what degree are these?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, this is. Oh, okay. When I say one degree, it's a. I have to be careful. Again, we're on camera. When I say one degree, it is actually just a style. It is not actually just one degree.

[Josh Kesselman]

Got you.

[Dope as Jos]

It may be plus or minus. Get it? Get you don't sue me over this. You got it? Guys, it's just so. It's not. We change the name for one degree because someone's gonna sue me and say it's 1.8. You liar. You're a liar. You're a liar, mister. You're a liar.

[Josh Kesselman]

Right? Sucks. Right?

[Dope as Jos]

Right. So I changed the name to the level cone.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Because it's almost level.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And also brings you to another level.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what I mean, I got.

[Dope as Jos]

You put a nice really tight spiral tip on. I wish I had one with me so I could show you to stop Scoobs. Because as it gets more opening, I got to change the tip style. Stop and block those damn goddamn scoops. Some when people make a. They sell these like, straighter things, like a straight pre rolled, empty, whatever you want to call it on a tube. And they put this tip in there. It's got a giant opening. And I'm looking this thing like, okay, dude, you are going to be like. You're at the biggest green smile I ever saw. You're going to pull more scoobs through that than Scooby Doo. Like, forget it. You got. You got to make your tip for what? You know, think about. Someone's got to smoke this one day.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I gotta go fully.

[Dope as Jos]

Right? Look at your tip.

[Josh Kesselman]

Have to, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Somebody actually did that one, right. I can see it from here. It has the right. A tip is a screen, right? That's really what it is. So you have to screen properly. If you open it up too much shit's going to pass through. I'm going to get all this stuff on the air. That's what we call the green smile. And you get all the green stuff, your teeth. And if I. I can change it, I can adjust, I can do anything, that kind of stuff to try to make it where I have enough of a screen so that you don't get a green smile and you don't have to experience Scooby Snacks and do the. It's all a matter of, like, there's a science to it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't think there's enough time on earth for another one of this. I don't think there's enough time for someone to care as much as you do from an early age because, you know, the baseball player. I've been pitching since I was six. Everything I do is baseball. I went to the factory and show how they put them together.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Just. I know the leather goes through. There's not a lot of those.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

And with rolling papers.

[Dope as Jos]

Let's talk about this for a second. You're actually bringing me to a place where I really should go. I'm sorry. Here we go. Disappointing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Hey, I feel offended, Josh. I'm offended now.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, well, passion, right? I think a lot of it is passion. When I. What I noticed was when I would. We had the golden ticket about, you know, a year and a half ago. It was awesome. We brought people to Spain.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Yeah. He asked me to go. I'M afraid of planes. Next year I'm going to try to do it to Europe.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay?

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why I say I'm gonna go to Europe next year.

[Dope as Jos]

All right? So at one point, we're at my friend's olive oil farm, and he makes what I believe is the best olive oil on earth. In fact, me, every year, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

He won first, second, third place, all this stuff in the world, olive oil competitions. He makes a. And he loves his olive tree.

[Josh Kesselman]

Don't cook olive oil if it's high.

[Dope as Jos]

Right?

[Josh Kesselman]

High quality, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Put it on top. Leave it alone. You gotta enjoy it the way it is. And we're there, and suddenly the wind picks up and the pollen comes off the trees a little bit because it's spring. And he smells them in the air like terpenes. And he starts dancing. Oh, my God. Do you smell this, everybody? He is so excited. He's dancing. And next thing you know, in our own way, we're all dancing with him through the trees. The passion that this man feels for olive oil and olives is incredible. And it rubs off on everyone around him. This type of feeling, this type of. Where you love it so freaking much. You freaking have it in your soul. I can literally, when I die, I was telling my friend I want to be wrapped in raw rolling paper and put into the earth without a fucking coffin. And I want to be able to plant seeds on top of me so that I grow Kesselman Kush. And people fucking smoke that shit, man. I want people to have that kind of passion and feeling for whatever it is that they do. If they're making freaking French fries, I want them to be studying the art of French fries, going back to the history of French fries, knowing who invented the French fry, and seeing all the. All the technology and things that have come along the way so you can use all of that, build on top of it and make me and all of us the best French fry that has ever been made in the history of French fry.

[Marty]

A link in the chain like yours.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes, exactly.

[Dope as Jos]

And you never stop going. You never, ever, ever, ever, ever freaking stop. So, like, ethereal papers. I was telling you about this before. These are prototype ethereal papers that I might or may not drop in 2026. It's a different type of paper that I've never done before. It was a matter of changing. Actually, I don't. I shouldn't tell you everything. How I changed it on video. I'll tell you afterwards. But you'll notice it's a little bit more Translucent. Put it up against something so you can see. Like, if you put it up against something with print on it, you can see that. You can read right through it.

[Marty]

I saw that you said in the comments that these took 31 years to develop, essentially.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. So. Because the idea for Raw. So that's when the idea for Raw came out. Then essentially it's 31 years, really, until you make Raw ethereal and. But, okay, so that's the thing. You make your product, whatever it is that you guys are doing, you make it. You make the best you possibly can. And then you take that and learn from that to make one even better. The next time, you keep going, you keep doing better. This is the way this gets us all freaking high as, dude. The same thing people do with cannabis, they make the best cannabis they possibly can. The next thing you know, they use that to make one even better. And then someone, hopefully will take that knowledge and make one even better and better and better and better. If people are just going out there, going to growers and saying, hey, can you put my name on that? Hey, put my name on that. Not innovating, that's not gonna get us up there, man. That's not going to change because people should be able to develop a cannabis strain for your back. I believe.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll be celebrating all day.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm saying there's someone watching this right now that maybe, maybe can develop a strain. Lumbar targets those receptors.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, my God.

[Dope as Jos]

And relaxes them enough that they. That it can heal itself.

[Josh Kesselman]

And Oshawa just comes with the grower, just smacks you in the back, like, hit this. You're fine. Oh, you know, I gotta be honest. I'd let them over hit me with a bat if they was like, it's gonna fix it, like, smack the out of me. I take that. But I won't take the needle for the stem cell. All right, I need to put things into perspective here. I'll. I'll do the stem cell.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. For the needle, for the stem cell. They can always knock you out if.

[Josh Kesselman]

You want with the bat.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no can do that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think it's in an alley and you wake up with no shoes.

[Dope as Jos]

Cricket's gonna come and take it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Rickety cricket. There we go. So sorry. Back to what you're saying. Your friend, it's like, yo, the winds hit me. Like in Pocahontas, he saw the winds. Like, yo, let's dance.

[Dope as Jos]

I've never.

[Josh Kesselman]

I get. I'm saying, like, to care about anything that much is insane. No, in A great way.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like I wish I earlier. I don't celebrate this man hit the smells was like, no, it's time to make olive oil.

[Dope as Jos]

He was so excited.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's like in Happy Gilmore, fresh cut grass, birds chirping. It's like when he's like, you really love this golf stuff. Oh, I love it. Yeah, exactly. I need to stop referencing the same.

[Dope as Jos]

Burning passion in your soul and you direct it at something beautiful like that rather than we have the ability as humans, naturally we might direct it at something we hate because that's. I think it's a very similar feeling.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, it's the same dopamine comes back like, oh, I'm kidding. Whether that's good or bad.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

But that's why I say some people like engagements engagement. Like no, no, negative engagement is the worst. I hate watching it. It's the. It's horrible, but it's there.

[Dope as Jos]

Look what they did. Like I please like that so much.

[Josh Kesselman]

My bandwagon.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, join. No, no, no, no, no, they're not. They look. That's what we did, dude. Because that they is you, bro. That they is us. That they is me. If they did that, then we did that because we're all freaking humans. We're all freaks up. But that's a different story. Trying to go down that path too much. It's just one of those. One of those three things. Yeah, probably more than three.

[Marty]

Has there been a product that you really wanted to make that it didn't work out and we weren't able to.

[Josh Kesselman]

Make it or it was impossible?

[Dope as Jos]

The Master Blaster.

[Josh Kesselman]

Which was that.

[Dope as Jos]

Hahaha. The Master Blaster involved some household items. I was trying to make the most retention ridiculous spoken chapters ever existed.

[Josh Kesselman]

A radio, a stereo. Was it a stereo?

[Dope as Jos]

No, it was a toaster oven and a vacuum cleaner and something else. And I was trying to create this amazing oven.

[Marty]

Appliances.

[Dope as Jos]

It was gonna be epic.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was gonna be sucking that dirt to your food.

[Dope as Jos]

It was back when we still used to have. We had the real high times cannabis cups. And I was trying to develop something that was going to literally light up the crowd.

[Josh Kesselman]

But I don't understand. You want a vacuum cleaner and a toaster oven for. What's it going to do?

[Dope as Jos]

Well, you got to heat up something. Then you got to remove the smoke from this thing and send it out into the crowd. And I got to grind it first beforehand. All in one fell swoop. You insert grind light, out comes the smoke. And a lot of smoke.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like a leaf blower. Except it's no, I'm saying the way that works, you add it in, it shoots out. Except. No, you added in except because it's. It's the bowl itself.

[Dope as Jos]

Based on a toaster oven.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, it's baking.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I dissected a toaster oven. It was more than one.

[Josh Kesselman]

You dissected it?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I had to take it apart to get to the coils.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and Marty can't hang a light. Okay. You're on some other. Did you put anything together at your own warehouse?

[Dope as Jos]

What do you mean? Like this kind of stuff?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, like, at the warehouse. I'm saying you could put. Take a toaster oven apart. Did you. Did you stock your own shell? Like, did you put your shelves together? You feel like maybe you're a handyman, man, Are you a handyman?

[Dope as Jos]

We didn't know the guy. Poppy, the one I did those videos. Al Borland, my. My grandfather, he had certain rules about being a. I don't have to use proper terms nowadays about being manly, masculine. If you're going to be this way, you must. There are certain things you have to know how to do.

[Marty]

One of the military, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah. You must know how he would take on weekends. It was let. I'm gonna teach you how to. To caulk the thing today. Teach how to put on tiles. I'm going to teach you how to fix. Change a battery. Teach you how to change a tire.

[Josh Kesselman]

Now essentials.

[Dope as Jos]

Now we're. Then you work your way up. My sixth or seventh grade project was. My dad did that once. My dad was cool sometimes. Really what it was. We're going to build a V8 engine for your science project. So I learned how to build a V8 engine. He bought two kits of it because he knew I was going to it up. So he'd take parts off one and use it to finish it. And I built a V8 engine. It worked.

[Josh Kesselman]

I would straight walk to the orphanage. Like, bro, I'm out of this family. I'm done. Dude, I'm not building.

[Dope as Jos]

It was cool.

[Josh Kesselman]

My brain doesn't work that way. My whole family's diesel mechanics. They can all do what you just said. Yeah, I mean, try to teach me. Since I was three years old. Yeah, I've been under the truck with the light. Get me out of there.

[Dope as Jos]

Pointed the light in the wrong place, Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I'm always pointing the right place. I'm so bored to stare like, this is what you. You want. Just put it on the ground and point it up. I'll be back.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. The Cool thing about picking up that knowledge from Poppy and being that way was the night before I flew here to California, which I guess was two nights ago. 11:00 at night, I can't. I can't go to sleep because I suddenly realized I had an idea for how to make gums curl less. I had this experiment I've been wanting to do for a long time. I knew I was about to get on a plane the next day, so I only had one chance to do it. So I got up and I'm sitting there, literally. Josh in his underwear in his kitchen with household items in order to make gum lines not curl as much. And after about an hour of experimentation, my tricking worked, which I can't tell you anything about because of course, Slugworth is watching this, but it worked. And now I have new knowledge on how to reduce curling of gum lines in a natural way that will, I think, revolutionize raw papers in the future. This is. But this is the way. This is the way everyone should be with their craft. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, of course. But. Sorry, before we get on to that, I use Slugworth as a reference off all. All the time. Like, careful. Slugworth is out there. But Slugworth turned out to be a.

[Dope as Jos]

Good guy in the end. He was. Yeah, he was a good guy.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I always use him as a bad reference.

[Dope as Jos]

He was.

[Josh Kesselman]

In all actuality, yeah, he's the good guy.

[Dope as Jos]

He's a proverb. But here's the thing. We all have a slug worth inside of us. Every single one. If people think I'm talking about a person, say Slugworth.

[Josh Kesselman]

Slugworth is the creepy guy that tried to buy the Everlasting Gobstopper from everyone. From Charlie and everyone in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Not Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. Not the one we're talking about earlier. The Jean Wilder one.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, the original one.

[Josh Kesselman]

Original.

[Dope as Jos]

And in the end, he turned out he was actually a plant. Testing people.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, testing like a. Like a fallen angel. For real. It's some wild. It's a wild movie. If you think about all of it, like, it's beautiful. Perfect story.

[Dope as Jos]

Perfect story.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's perfect. It doesn't. There's nothing bad about the whole movie.

[Dope as Jos]

Except people always like, oh, he ate all the kids. They killed the kids.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I didn't. They all.

[Dope as Jos]

They're fine. People like to say he brought them all there and murdered. That's not what happened. So that was even close.

[Josh Kesselman]

They all did it themselves. Busy lifting drink. One day will be real and that's how you're gonna get public transportation. You drink a thing with a guy with a marker and you. You float in a tube all the way to work. Can't wait.

[Dope as Jos]

But we all have a slug worth inside of us. As you sit here right now, you see that T shirt you're wearing? I bet I can buy it on temu.

[Josh Kesselman]

It is on Timu.

[Dope as Jos]

There you go. Because some dude, some dude with a slug worth inside of him saw your shirt and said, I will copy this. That's how I will make. I will make that green stuff and then I will use that to buy a Lamborghini. Some bullshit like thing playing in his head rather than looking at your shirt and being inspired and saying, that's cool. I can make something even cooler. Nope, it shouldn't be.

[Josh Kesselman]

They're all faceless too though. That's the thing. All these places that steep, like I know you have, there's fake raws out there. You know that Isn't that crazy that people would make. Just make your own paper. No, if you're gonna make this much effort, just change the name and market it right.

[Dope as Jos]

And then people buy it and then are yelling at me, my paper didn't stick. You suck, Josh. I'm like, it wasn't real fake.

[Josh Kesselman]

It wasn't real. I got a pack of raw fake raws once cuz he posted how to spot fake gras. And I saw like what the issue.

[Marty]

Is that a big thing you deal with?

[Dope as Jos]

It's a big issue for me personally because it breaks my heart. People are not getting the experience I want them to have. They're not smoking a paper. I want them to smoke. They're not smoking anything I want them to smoke. It's not the thing I'm trying to do. It's the opposite.

[Josh Kesselman]

And they think of you and go.

[Dope as Jos]

This guy brand is what they call it a brand. We used to brand like. Like cattle. Right Branch? That is my freaking brand right there, man. And that's. And someone taking my brand, putting it on something that is not giving people the experience I want it to give them. They're putting on cones that aren't even sealed in order to make them cheaper. They don't even roll them. They.

[Josh Kesselman]

They.

[Dope as Jos]

They glued at the tip and wrap it around in a spiral. Not even glued. Using some kind of like modified. I think those things make the ice cream scoop cones, you know when those round things like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yes.

[Dope as Jos]

I think they're using a modified one of those. So it just kind of wraps the paper in a circle like in A twirl.

[Josh Kesselman]

Look how much stuff you have to do to copy it.

[Dope as Jos]

I know. Why not just put your own freaking brand on it? I know. Put your name on it. But they don't. But Slugworth, and we are all Slugworth. I have a Slugworth in me. You have a Slugworth in you. We must fight against this tendency that we have as humans. Slugworth sits there and says, oh, yes, cool idea, Thomas. I like that shirt. I will now make it and I will sell it for less than you can. Hahaha. Look, $5 delivered.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's how much it is on Timu.

[Dope as Jos]

Really? $5 delivered? Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've sent Amazon 4. Cease and desist.

[Dope as Jos]

They don't care.

[Josh Kesselman]

They won't stop.

[Dope as Jos]

It will stop.

[Josh Kesselman]

So if you get big enough, you don't have to get sued.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I just can't sue them because they're Amazon. They won't even respond. My lawyer's like, so they're not talking to me.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, they won't.

[Josh Kesselman]

What should I do here? Lawyer.

[Dope as Jos]

Nope. It's. It's. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, they got scared. Timu got scared and stopped.

[Marty]

Well, Timu actually reached out to us for.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, Marty got on too.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, that's how you got him.

[Josh Kesselman]

Marty got on him too hard.

[Dope as Jos]

Get that off your.

[Marty]

They took it down. At least for a while.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it'll come back.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yeah, I think he's back. Honestly, I got a DM the other day. I'm like, that's probably old.

[Dope as Jos]

So that is Slugworth. That is the Slugworth that we all have in us. And it's. Instead of doing the other thing, the other way is you see your shirt, you get inspired by it. It makes you laugh and you think, oh my God, that's so cool. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to make one that's going to make something that's different yet also funny. And then we end up with kind.

[Josh Kesselman]

Of like second you walked in with your track jacket, I'm like, fuck, I love those jackets. Damn. Red and black, man. I must go think of some weeds. Weed. I swear to God, when you walk like sick jacket. I need to make jackets, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Next thing you know, I got badass push trees thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

But it doesn't look quite like the same thing, right? It's just like, I need to make jackets, Right. Seeing a cool jacket made me think that's inspiration. Yeah, I'm not gonna look at it. Beautiful logos all over the arm. All right. Why would I do that?

[Dope as Jos]

You can put logos over the arm. That'd be the same. That would be.

[Josh Kesselman]

But you know what I'm saying, like, it doesn't make sense. Like, right now I have the first time I've ever printed on both arms coming out. But it's not like that. But seeing that goes, ah, man, maybe I should have went all over the sleeves. It's kind of sick because I only do one print. One print. I don't want to do too much. But looking at this, like, it's sick.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Then you go off on the next one.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, on the next one. Like, maybe I'll do it all over the back.

[Dope as Jos]

But that's us getting inspired from each other. This is the way it's supposed to be, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's awesome.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. So if someone's seeing your or my and you're watching this stuff and you're like, wow, that's cool. As you should take it and find a way to elevate it or change it at least to make it different and yours.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Or yours. Just make it your own.

[Dope as Jos]

Make it your own.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. I. I told last night, I'm like, I love the thing in the weed community I love the most is people that really take their time on, like, glass videos. Like, you know, it's. You're just setting up a camera in front of your bong or your dab, and you're ripping it, but it's perfect. You took 10 minutes to set that light. I know you did. It looks so nice. I don't know what it is. I.

[Dope as Jos]

My favorite thing to watch. You can see the mushroom.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thank you. The backlight we talked about last night. I guess I backlight my pieces.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

It just looks so good. And that's one thing in my life. I'm like, oh, look at all this art. And one thing makes me go, I need to go. I want to go smoke a bowl now. This is fun. See? All right. I do get excited throughout the. Like, you know what? This is awesome. I get excited about content. I'll tell you that. When I'm done with a video, I see and go, now I'm happy. All right. So I do get stoked.

[Dope as Jos]

When you got that bong earlier, you were talking about, you got the ticket and you got to pick the bong, and you got the bong, and you looked at the bong. Was there a moment when you relaxed into it and thought, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, of course. The second song. Wow. This is so fucking cool. I love this piece. This is awesome. Let's go. Hit it. You know, I get excited, but. But like, right after my. All right, cool. I got, like, 10 emails I gotta do. We're gonna drive back, right? It always goes back to that. And I know it's just a bong, and then it goes like it's material. Why are you so excited? It's not. That's.

[Dope as Jos]

That bong is not material. That bong is art. It is art.

[Josh Kesselman]

It is art. It's just fun. So I get. I think I get. I get. You know what it is. I'm just happy about the things I've always been happy about. That's all it is. I get stoked about, like, oh, I'm done. Oh, we did a good job. All the smoke.

[Dope as Jos]

We.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm 14.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, let's talk about bongs for a moment.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Have you studied any of the stuff that hit the bongs or anything, Josh?

[Josh Kesselman]

I studied the Outsiders in the sixth grade.

[Dope as Jos]

The Outsiders.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the last thing I ever studied in my life.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, now, some of this is probably wrong, and some of. Again, it's gonna be folklore.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, because you talk about water filtration. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not good for your lungs.

[Dope as Jos]

It's not just. Okay, there's. At the ice. There's the ice thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't do the ice no more because of it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, the ice thing supposedly gets. Get. If you get shards in your lungs that supposedly. Supposedly is really bad for you. Right. Can give you bronchitis, that kind of stuff. Maybe. Who knows? Probably wrong. Water filtration on its own, though. And I don't know if this is, like, I haven't seen a more recent study. This was a while ago that I saw the study. It talked about again. This is from memory. I keep saying this over and over again. Some dude's gonna. It was filtering out more good stuff than it was bad stuff. Therefore, to get the same milligrams of THC or whatever you're trying to get smoke more through the bong, you end up getting more bad stuff compared to if you just smoked it straight through a handpipe or through a joint. So, okay, you're essentially, yes, the hits are more gentle on you, but you end up having to consume more. And therefore, you're actually getting more bad stuff when you smoke a bong than if you smoke through a handpipe or a joint.

[Josh Kesselman]

I need to see it because it's like. Like it's going through water.

[Dope as Jos]

It is going through water.

[Josh Kesselman]

So what is the.

[Dope as Jos]

What water soluble?

[Josh Kesselman]

Huh?

[Dope as Jos]

It's. It's. It's. Water is only picking up the things Water is things that are valuable.

[Josh Kesselman]

I got you. So like terpenes.

[Dope as Jos]

Things like it's picking up whatever's water soluble, but it's not going to pick up things that are not water soluble like tar. It'll pick up some of it, but not. It's going to filter out more of the stuff that attaches to water. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I'm basically getting the bad bag of hash down the level going, you know, I'm gonna take the top layer because it's supposedly.

[Dope as Jos]

Supposedly. I'd love to have someone do more studies on this than me. I really would. I'd like to see something modern. I haven't seen something in. In forever. And then the other thing I saw was that moose lab study.

[Josh Kesselman]

Moose labs with the charcoal.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. I don't believe in charcoal filters, by the way. I. No, they, they, we use charcoal filters in our grows. Mess up with the taste to reduce the smell, to reduce terpenes. That's what we use charcoal filters for. Right. So we're sending our terps through charcoal filters to get rid of the terps. Terps. And now I'm going to put a charcoal filter to get rid of my chirps before it goes into me. That does not sound like logic. So we did a dry hit test. We've done this a bunch of times where we took some charcoal filters. We rolled up some joints. We took straight. We gutted the same thing and put. And rolled up some joints and had everybody dry hit it. And when everyone. All my guys are dry hitting. A lot of this was on video. And again, a lot of this is from memory and I'm probably wrong.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, well, it means do it at home.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Just do a dry hit test. Roll one joint with a charcoal filter. Roll one joint without a charcoal.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's going to have a lot more restriction. Got to pass this find.

[Dope as Jos]

Do something to restrict it enough where you can just hit it. Do a dry hit. Taste your beautiful freaking weed. Taste your permanent marker. Like, holy, that tastes great. Now hit the one with the charcoal filter and it's going to taste like air. Or more like air. So because it's filtering out, filtering out the good that I really, really want. I want my flavors. I didn't buy my flavors to have them go into that damn tip. I bought the flavors have them going to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

What are the pluses for charcoal filters then? People are people.

[Dope as Jos]

If you were smoking tobacco.

[Josh Kesselman]

Got you. So not for joints.

[Dope as Jos]

The theory is, and it's no longer done that I've seen they Used to market. It's just a big tobacco thing. Big tobacco used to market charcoal filters. I saw the ads and again, I'm probably wrong, so don't sue me. It's.

[Josh Kesselman]

That sucks. Yes. Oh, my God. That's.

[Dope as Jos]

I remember seeing ads. Charcoal filters that are showing the little black beads built into things so that it would reduce your. Reduce the tar and that kind of stuff that would go into you and even talk about how it reduce nicotine. But the whole reason you're smoking is to get the nicotine. So it's stupid. But yes, supposedly it's going to reduce some of the bad stuff in you when it comes to tobacco. But even then, that stuff's all gone now because it turned out the truth of it was the same thing as light cigarettes, which is if I'm going to. If you're going to filter out the thing you're trying to get right. So if I take a. There's a type of rolling paper I could make that has a bunch more. They're called. They're basically little micro holes. Is the best way to describe it. Like an air paper where it has a high caress to unit. A caressa unit is measured like this. All right. When we were wearing masks during COVID Oh, perfect. We had one that was hard to breathe through. That would be a very low caressa, meaning not much air passes through it. One that's easy to breathe through that is a high cresta. And our paper is essentially like that. So you take your paper and you can design your paper and modify your paper to make it where you decide how much essentially. Essentially how much air you want to pass through that paper. And if you are a jerk, Thomas, I propose. I believe if you are a jerk, you are going to let a lot of air pass through there. Because then when I go to hit it, that cherry is going to light up red. I'm going to get this lighter hit. Wow, this is lighter. It doesn't make me cough much because I'm pulling a whole load of air through the paper into me. I'm getting a diluted hit. It's continuing to burn. There's a science that continues to burn. It's called smoldering. It goes off. You are. I'm wasting my weed. I'm wasting that shit. I'm getting these hits. Wow, it tastes nice. What? This paper tastes nice and light and airy. Oh, boy. I am getting ripped off. I'm stealing from myself. I'm pulling air through the paper. But if I was a mega, heartless jerk of A company. I might do this to you. Because by doing this to you, in order for you to get the same amount of THC so Thomas can get high, you're gonna have to buy more weed because you're not getting as much due to this thing being diluted. You get it? I'm diluting your hits, so you have to buy more weed. That's the best way I can describe it in a nutshell. You can't. You can't see it. The micro holes are so small, you wouldn't see it unless it's ridiculous. You ever had a joint, we had a tear in it, and you're hitting it and it's like the cherries lighting up. You're not getting smoke. Of course, that is essentially the whole paper. The these papers with a very high caressta that Josh Kesselman personally dislikes very much. And I've seen people put these things out and not tell people exactly everything that I'm sharing with you. And they're also happened to be in the cannabis space. And in my mind, I'm thinking they're doing it on purpose in order to get people to buy more weed. And it pisses me off because I'm like, no, we're here to serve people, not rip people off.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't.

[Dope as Jos]

We're here to help them. We're here to do right things. But of course, maybe people want a weak diluted hit, and if they do, then use one of those papers. I just personally don't. And I don't think my friends do. I don't think many of my fans do either. But I also don't think they have enough knowledge about paper.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll say nobody's aware of this because what you just said, I would have never noticed.

[Dope as Jos]

Who's gonna know this besides Josh?

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm just doing this now.

[Dope as Jos]

Just imagine if you were a company making that kind of stuff. How much would you hate Josh Kesselman? Josh just went on a podcast, I mean, talked about, I think, a magic trick you were doing.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'd hate you if I already hated you. Like, say right now, if somebody came out was like, yo, shirts. Or like, say I'm making weed shirts for this much because they cost me this much. I mean, I know how much they make. Like, who cares? I already know how much to make the cost. And like anybody else is make is just taxing you. $3. I wouldn't be like, hey, I hate you. But I go, hey, man, about me.

[Dope as Jos]

For you're going a different direction. I'm looking at it like this. And perhaps this is me being negative. And again, I'm probably wrong. I look at it as instead. Hey, Marty, did you know Thomas actually designs his shirt? So they only last five washes, then they disintegrate on purpose. You have to buy another shirt.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh yeah, that's. Fuck.

[Dope as Jos]

You know that. You didn't know that, did you? I know. And I just went on a podcast on national TV and told everyone that. And now Thomas is going to hate me for life rather than Thomas hating himself for doing that to people. Of course Thomas didn't do any of this. But rather than Thomas hating himself, Thomas is going to hate the person that ratted him out.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And that's been my personal experience on things where they hate me for teaching people about things that, that are just teaching things people about. You know, I'm just teaching. I'm just showing you. But they didn't know that and now they do. You.

[Josh Kesselman]

I gotta be honest, dude, you wouldn't. The only people that actually give a though are people that are not swaying the sales. If you just told me, say it was the other way and somebody won. A podcast came on was like, did you know Josh's. I, I would you call. Hi.

[Dope as Jos]

Hi. Caresseda. Hi.

[Josh Kesselman]

Correct. Like Josh's papers are high. Caress. Did you know that they burned faster? Like really? I like, like raws. I don't give a. I think people like what they like in this industry. I think from what my experience, what.

[Dope as Jos]

I've seen, I think they don't have knowledge I want to share. I want to teach them everything.

[Josh Kesselman]

Even, even if I had the knowledge, like, does it burn faster? I didn't notice.

[Dope as Jos]

It isn't just a matter of burning faster. They call it, it is called a fast burning paper, by the way. But it, but it isn't a matter of burning faster. It's a matter of you not getting your actives as much.

[Josh Kesselman]

All of that.

[Dope as Jos]

That's what I'm worried about anyway.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is it noticeable? Can you, can you tell the difference?

[Dope as Jos]

I can, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right. A really good friend that doesn't smoke as much as you that you know personally for years would they tell like, Josh, did you notice this shit's hitting a little different? Because I could tell you right now, close my eyes. This is not the paper that I smoke usually. I could tell, I could feel the draft.

[Dope as Jos]

It's going to feel lighter to you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I can feel the. Yeah, it feels lighter.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Because you're blend, you're blending air in with your smoke and you're diluting it. So it's going to feel lighter to you. Like if you're coughaholic, then maybe you want that. But no, because you're burning off anyway. Just take less of a hit.

[Josh Kesselman]

What about this? What about the people that are smoking those papers that smoke a raw and go, oh, that's just a little harsher or thicker.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, that could happen.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because then they're like, well, I'm used to the air hit.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, right.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like I'm used to hitting a. A rig that has a little bit of give in the nail. Or I'm used to hitting a badass wheel one.

[Dope as Jos]

They're ripping themselves off. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

But thing is, like, they might never know. But this knowledge will help them. But they might not ever know. Or maybe, maybe some people just like weaker hits, you know, Some people like, oh, don't give me the good. Give me that. Give me that one.

[Dope as Jos]

Just roll a smaller joint, bro.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know, exactly. But some people go in the store, like, give me the stuff with the low thc. I don't want that. That heavy stuff. I'm like, what the are you doing here? Really? You have your hair like older, older men. Like, oh, this is not like it used to be.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, wait, wait. I've seen this only in the guise of I want a more balanced cannabis. One that is lower in THC and higher in cbd. I have experienced that many times with friends.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't know about that.

[Dope as Jos]

I've seen that a lot because it gives a different kind of high. And that's more of the OG high.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I have smoked high CBD weed. I smoke clementine.

[Dope as Jos]

You did.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like straight.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

You did, you did, you did.

[Dope as Jos]

You just don't remember it. You don't remember it. Dude, trust me.

[Josh Kesselman]

I already didn't know when these guys.

[Dope as Jos]

Are talking about the old from 2010. That's what they're talking about.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, so it had higher cbd. What does that. What does that do to you?

[Dope as Jos]

And it's okay. The best way I can describe it from personal experience.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, Personal space. All we want to do.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm probably wrong.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Is picture this. Let's go with a badass on no names, badass strain, naturally 28. Something really good like that. No, really throw 28. Let's look at that high as a peaked mountain. Let's call it Everest. All right, there you go. Short, highest. You're done. Now let's get an older one. Like pre Bubba Kush something. A really nice one. You know, something that's got more of a balanced strain where it actually has a significant percentage. Not even too crazy. Let's say 4% CBD. Not too crazy. Something to take the edge off.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Blends in with your THC. And your THC was much lower. It's probably 8. Let's take that high. Let's look at that. More like a beautiful mountain where you're not going up as high.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're getting high for a while.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, look at that. And then you kind of come down.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh. So the CB's makes it stretch.

[Dope as Jos]

It mellows it. It. I don't want to call it mitigate, elongate. Elongates it, lowers it down and brings it out. At least it does that for Josh. And that's why Josh tries to find things depending on what he wants at that moment. Josh is going to smoke different things.

[Josh Kesselman]

You are the one person I met that does think about these things.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Oh, do I got. I've got an age on purpose for when I've got jet lag. I got aged to get the CBN product, the CBN up because we learned. Thanks. Thank you, Riley. Thank you, Riley. You're amazing. Cannabis cam. We've learned that CBN goes up as. Over time it increases at something like basically about a percent.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it's aging.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes, aging. So getting the CBN up as my old weed. So if I come in and I'm tired as fuck and I just want to sleep or I wake back up three in the morning. Just came back from a month in Spain, dude. I'm trying to get back. Trying to get back on time. I wake up, oh, I don't want to be up. Well, I'm not going to smoke something that's going. I'm going to smoke something with a lot of CBN in it in order to get me CBN back to sleep. And the way I do that is by aging. There's so much. That's what I'm talking about when I earlier when I was saying that someone could make it strain for Thomas is back.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

I believe we are on the precipice of some dude, probably a scientist, making a strain for Thomas's back.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're a human being, like, in the sense of like, I know what I need to eat because my body. You know how sometimes animals, like, he's eating grass. I'm a sick. Yeah, this is him. It's like, oh, I feel the whiteness coming. Snort some pepper. And then he's like, no, no, I need to go to sleep. I need to get this weed ate. I'll be awake in the middle of night, like, I need to go to sleep. I don't care what it is. It might be something. Cocaine, marijuana. Oh, perfect. And I'm ripping. You might have to bleep that, but you know what I'm saying? Like, I know a strain. Like, oh, this is Jack. I want to go to sleep. Probably not the best to smoke. I'll rip 15 bowls of it. Like, oh, why can't I sleep? It's weed. I don't think of things. Like, I wake up and take gmo, giant dab and go, I got so much to do. Why am I so tired?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, you know what? I don't want to ask this question. I want to be the guy. I don't want to be the guy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Do it.

[Dope as Jos]

Did you meditate?

[Josh Kesselman]

You already asked me. I mean, you already. You told me to start.

[Dope as Jos]

I know. No, no, but do you.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know what it is? Remember, I think three years ago, you asked me. I tried it, like, four days in a row, and I went, this. It won't work.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay?

[Josh Kesselman]

My brain won't stop.

[Dope as Jos]

Fine, you want.

[Josh Kesselman]

I try.

[Dope as Jos]

You really want to do this?

[Josh Kesselman]

Go. What do I have to do?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, two things. Easy way is, how does Josh meditate?

[Josh Kesselman]

You told me.

[Dope as Jos]

I've got a couple different ways. One way at the moment is, dude, if I get stoned, I go out there to my horse and donkey. I got. I live on a little ranch with a rescue horse and a donkey father with the horse and donkey. That is meditation. You are in the moment with them. You're not thinking about the neck. Oh, my God, I got to do this podcast. Oh, my God, I've got this. Oh, my God, I got this. Did I put up my post? No, dude, you're there with your horse and your donkey. There's nothing else you can be. You're touching them. They are present. You are present. Right? You're. That. That's. That is cleaning my house. That's the definition.

[Josh Kesselman]

The only time I don't think about anything.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so cleaning your house is meditation, by the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

That sucks. I just gotta get my house dirty. Just clear my mind and just throw in so I can pick it up.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. There's a way to do it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Getting my haircut. I can't look at my phone, and I don't really talk, so I have to just think. Those are the only times in my life where I'm not like, all right, I have to check this. All right, all right. What are we doing? I have to Film this. What are we doing? So I can't find the silence yet. I close my eyes. Right now. I have a sauna. I sit in my sauna completely by myself. And why am I watching three episodes of a show right now in my head? Like, it won't stop?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, here's what we're gonna do. We do something someone taught me. I'm gonna try to teach you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Do it.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, here's what we're gonna do.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right?

[Dope as Jos]

For one moment, relax right now. Okay, Put your hands down by your side. There's a reason why.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right.

[Dope as Jos]

To put it by your legs. Because you have to put your hands on your legs. This is something that was taught to me. The body is always present.

[Josh Kesselman]

Start levitating.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I wish. In a way, you are. The body is always present. Okay, so now you just put your. Like, make sure you. Enough where you realize you're touching your body enough just so you. Can I. Yeah, I get the jokes. There's a thousand jokes. But touch yourself on anything.

[Josh Kesselman]

This can be chopped up, so it's gonna be great.

[Dope as Jos]

All right, so just by touching your, like, on. On the edges of your leg, just remind yourself that you're actually here and this is your body because the body's present. Now for one moment, you close your eyes. Okay, now we relax for one moment. Moment for. Try to relax the muscles on your head. Okay, now we just kind of allow for just one moment as you close your eyes.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

You're gonna start to feel this little feeling come up either from. From the back of your head go down, or from the base of your spine. It's gonna go up. It's just the way we are, man. Okay, and then we're opening yourself up. Now go like this. Okay. And touch here.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, like that.

[Dope as Jos]

Because you're just trying to bring yourself up and open yourself up. And then you sort of. You'll start to feel this very slight feeling. It's very slight at first.

[Josh Kesselman]

I can do this. It's just. Is your. Is your mind clear when you're talking? When you're doing this at home? Like, are you thinking?

[Dope as Jos]

No. No, I am. Until that moment, I can snap into meditation like that. Boom. I'm meditating. Boom. I'm out.

[Josh Kesselman]

Ready? Close my eyes. Six things are happening. Nope, I can't turn it off, though.

[Dope as Jos]

You can't? You can't? If I turn it off, too?

[Josh Kesselman]

Dude, I got four radio stations gone.

[Dope as Jos]

No, that's okay. It's all okay. The silence really comes from just this one moment when you're connecting with the energy. The. I ain't no spiritual guru, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Right?

[Dope as Jos]

The silent. It comes from. We just connect with this energy. Listen, there's all this going on right now as we sit here right now. How many radio waves are going on from our cell phones to towers?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

We can't see any of it, right? None of it. What can we see? Not one bit of it. However, we know it's there because there. There's also other energetic things happening that we can't see, but are there? They just have. This is my reality. There is an energy that kind of connects all of us. And as you sit there, if you tap into for just one moment, Just one freaking moment, Thomas, in that one moment, you are in meditation. That one moment, it feels like a chill that runs up your spine to the back of your head. And this isn't a Josh thing. This is something that's been taught to me by other people. And suddenly you feel it. And once you feel it, you got it. You tap back into it. I was taught to tap back into it in a crazy way, which I'll teach you some other time off camera. And once you got it, you got it. At any moment when it's too rough. There you are. I can do it right here. For that one moment, as I was showing it to you, I felt it. I felt the energy go up. I feel my chest go out. I feel just like that. I can send it over to you. It's like a ball you play with, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's different. I thought meditation, like, you have to be clear minded.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

I can't sit there in the silence. I can't.

[Dope as Jos]

No, you can't do that. I can't do that.

[Josh Kesselman]

What you just said. I'm doing Ubers. I go, oh, yeah. No one's gonna with me. He's not gonna talk. And they'll be like this tone. I hear that.

[Dope as Jos]

That's part of.

[Josh Kesselman]

I hear that when I close my eyes when no one's with me.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, hell yeah. It kind of sounds like a truck coming from forest fire away.

[Marty]

Is there one. Is there one skewed that stands out as like, the og like, this is everybody's favorite. I know it's always gonna.

[Dope as Jos]

We're all one and a quarter. Classic. That was the first one.

[Josh Kesselman]

Really? The one and a quarter.

[Dope as Jos]

That's that. That is that. Okay, let me tell this last story then I'm gonna take a quick piss break. I gotta pee so bad, bro.

[Josh Kesselman]

In the corner. You just be right in the corner.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I will. You're gonna get on video, though.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a camera.

[Dope as Jos]

It's on the camera. So world star again.

[Josh Kesselman]

Here we go. Marty loves you saying world star. I always talk to Marty like, Marty, world star is not around anymore.

[Marty]

My new source.

[Dope as Jos]

All right, so when rolling papers first came around, when they first were made, it was giant sheets. Not like. It wasn't a booklet like this. The booklet was again, this is, according to legend, was invented by a monk in Yativa, Spain. And his.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's monks in Spain?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, he was a Dominican monk in Spain.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's a Dominic. This should be the. The title. The Dominican monk story.

[Dope as Jos]

Just because they're a Dominican. I don't know if that means they're actually from the Dominion Republic or is the Dominican order also.

[Josh Kesselman]

I am uneducated and ignorant. So when I think monk, I think of, you know, anger management. When he fights the monk.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think of monks that could possibly fly.

[Dope as Jos]

The monks used to be like the head of science and things like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

What? Yeah, I thought they just all were like one with the earth. Yo. See how undisturbed I am. This is sad.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Supposedly coffee was invented by. By some kind of slowest, most, most.

[Josh Kesselman]

Calm guys ever invented coffee.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

The story I was told when I was in Ethiopia and who knows if this is true or not, was a goat herder was noticing when his goats ate certain berries, they started jumping around a lot. So he brought the berries to the local priest or monk to figure out what is happening because they were the. They were the science scientists at the time. And they determined that it was like they started brewing it and realized it was getting people that. And that's where coffee comes from. That's what I've been told. God only knows if it's true. So I got me. So it's so sucks that I can't just speak freely, you know, But I do the best I can.

[Josh Kesselman]

According to legend.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

As you guys are saying, according to.

[Dope as Jos]

According to legend, so.

[Josh Kesselman]

Also kind of cool.

[Dope as Jos]

According to legend, the rolling paper booklet was a Dominican bunk named Monk named Father Villanueva Estingo in Yativa. And he developed a booklet. So his parishioners who were using this old style that I'm about to tell you would have an easier way to carry their papers around. What the old style was before the booklet. Thank you. Was a giant sheet that would be fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, folded into a rectangle and tied with a string and that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I can see that is why.

[Dope as Jos]

We have the string around the package. This is to signify our connection to the history of rolling papers.

[Josh Kesselman]

An Easter egg on every pack.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Nobody knows what I'm doing here. I'm like, oh, because what's the history? When I studied, I learned all this stuff. I was like, oh, my God, this is so cool.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the string that they tied it with.

[Dope as Jos]

So now you have the. This fold line, this rectangle booklet.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't have a desire for anything in the world like this. I think I need to find one.

[Marty]

Because that amount of passion.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, really, to me, this isn't a big deal. This is just. This is life.

[Josh Kesselman]

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[Marty]

Were you, like, going to the library researching this as, like, a adolescent or when did you start studying papers?

[Dope as Jos]

Well, okay, so my dad did a magic trick with this paper when I was a kid, told you other story for I'll try to stay on focus. So that brought me into, like, a love of rolling papers at a very early age. And so at the beginning, I was just a collector, just booklets. I love the art of booklets, and I loved all the cool colors and all this stuff, what they signified. So in the beginning it was like that. Then once I started smoking, then I started finding different kinds of papers and realizing that they all burned different, differently and trying wondering why this one burned in a certain way. Why this one particular paper I was smoking this old. I don't mention any brands. It's gonna get me in trouble. Yeah, this older brand was burning white as like a powder?

[Josh Kesselman]

Damn near, yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, like why is this one making my. My mind. Why is it making my weed burn so white? I learned later on it was full of calcium carbonate, which turns it white, which is basically what I call chalk because I've seen it called chalk.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, that's right.

[Dope as Jos]

Chocolate. Check. Real chalk is calcium carbonate. So like the good chalk is calcium carbonate we used to use as kids. So if you add calcium carbonate to a paper, when you burn down the paper, it basically leaves behind one way or another, essentially the calcium carbonate to get a white ash.

[Josh Kesselman]

So people go, oh, my weed's burning.

[Dope as Jos]

Good white, my weeds burning. And it's actually you're leaving. It's chalk or it's calcium carbonate. So I, when I, when I learned things like that, I was like, I'm never putting that in my. And I don't want to smoke that anymore. I prefer not to. So I was, was learning lesson along the way. As I started learning about all that kind of stuff, then I started trying to find history books on it. It wasn't. I couldn't really study it, like deeply study it until later on. Because if you're 16 years old trying to learn about the history of rolling papers in the 90s, where are you going to go? Actually 80s 80s, where you can go to the library once in a while I find some book or some cool stuff in the early high time stuff I'd read everything article I could possibly find on it, pieces like that, but they weren't necessarily as informative as I would like. It wasn't until college that I actually had the ability to pull up research documents and find papers that actually explained to me a little about what why this is that way and why that one's that way. And then it just continued down that journey. A lot of it I learned through like storytelling, which is why I have to worry that make it clear that some of the stuff's folklore. Some of these incredible collectors I became friends with in the 90s have passed away and they would share with me amazing stories. Kevin told me so much. We would be on the phone sometimes for like, like maybe four or Five hours of him just telling me stories of rolling papers and like this guy or that guy or something he had smoked with or this kind of stuff. And you pick up knowledge from people like him. I tried to keep his collection alive after he passed away. He was probably the greatest rolling paper collector that ever lived. I think he was awesome in terms of his collection.

[Josh Kesselman]

You just talk about around the world, picking up papers everywhere.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, he was European, so he was able to get stuff that I didn't have access to. So we started trading.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's so many damn rolling papers. It's like coffee over here. You know how many people go to different coffees, like, oh, I like this, like this without this. Oh my God. Or you know, what should I say? It's like candies over here. There's 150,000 different brands of candy over there. You could throw a ball and hit a different rolling paper pack. I'm telling you, there's so, so many.

[Marty]

Why is it like that? Why is the manufacturing like.

[Dope as Jos]

It's because they didn't have the legality issues that we had.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh.

[Dope as Jos]

And we also, they also didn't have the, the type of influence from large tobacco corporations that tend to dominate. Up until, I think up until me, that really dominated the field. Huge multi billion dollar tobacco corpse. That huge distribution agreements with every convenience store. I think these agreements say things like, basically, you can only carry my brand.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. There's brands in cannabis space that do that right now.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah. So there's. When you have that kind of thing going on, they kick you out of. They kicked me out of markets. Yeah. I couldn't get, I couldn't get it to convenience stores.

[Josh Kesselman]

So when you started, you, I mean, obviously you were the small guy. What, what, what roadblocks did you encounter?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh my God. Okay, first of all, after getting over the feds, literally.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Once you're in the rolling paper, once.

[Dope as Jos]

You'Re into the rolling.

[Josh Kesselman]

What are the. Because you were the small guy.

[Dope as Jos]

I was really small and because of that no one would take me seriously. And I was young and people just wouldn't take me seriously. I had all these big ideas like raw or juicy Js or elements and these kind of things. And they've been doing things a certain way for a very long time, like hundred years of years kind of time. And now you have this dude coming in who wants to do things differently and you're going to tell him, no, kid, you have no idea what the you're doing. We've been making these papers like this for. We've been adding chalk to rolling papers for hundreds of years. Or 100. We're not gonna stop. What do you mean you don't want that in there?

[Josh Kesselman]

Ah.

[Dope as Jos]

What do you mean you don't want it bleached? What are you talking. Let's give me a brown paper bag, Josh. So the obstacles were. I didn't have what I call cred, you know?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

The way you make a rolling paper is it's just like the shirt you're wearing. The thread or the fabric comes from a knitting mill. Then that goes to a T shirt factory who might dye it, color it, who knows? And they're going to cut and sew it into a beautiful T shirt. They might modify the fabric as well, depending on how they got it and all that kind of stuff. Fabric and rolling paper are almost the same. So you have to go to a paper mill. And back in the old days, from my studies of all this stuff, mills would change from being a fabric mill to being a paper mill and back and back, depending on what the demand was. Not.

[Josh Kesselman]

Not interchangeable. It's that much of a not easy decision.

[Dope as Jos]

But you could spend some money and change them out because both of them were using a similar process, the thing called the baton. Bam, bam. Hammering down on special plant fibers or recycled rags, smashing them up, returning. It's very similar.

[Josh Kesselman]

Recycled rags?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

For what? For shirts.

[Dope as Jos]

Old paper, not rolling paper, was often made with recycled rags, meaning your old clothing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Really?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. I could still. I know how to do it. I could take all your old clothing. I could match as long as it isn't the new stuff with plastic in. As long as it's cotton. Things like that. Especially if it's hemp and cotton. I could take that. I can mash it up. I could turn into paper.

[Josh Kesselman]

I could smoke this, essentially.

[Dope as Jos]

You wouldn't want to, but I could smoke this shirt.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, you could.

[Dope as Jos]

Man. The original import documents. Because I had to use this in order to get out of trouble once, as I often get into trouble for rolling paper. The federal definition going back to, like, I don't know, 1850, something like that. Talks about how what rolling paper is and how it's made from hemp or linen rag. Because they were trying to ban my hemp rolling papers once a long time ago. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. You knew they were made out of hemp. The guideline says they're made out of hemp. Do you. The whole turret, the tax part, lists them as being made out of hemp. And when they saw it, they're like, oh, you know. Then I managed to get my shipments cleared again. This is all from memory. And I'm probably wrong.

[Josh Kesselman]

So I'm gonna start saying that. Yeah, everything I do. I don't know, man. Probably wrong.

[Dope as Jos]

All from memory get you right out of everything. Memory is like, you know. Oh, God. What's that song? Memories like fingerprints slowly racing. I should never sing again. All right.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sorry. I'm trying to catch the song.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I'll play for you at the end. It's that one. Was it Old Woman in a Small Town? So it's one of those freaking.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't know. I know what you're saying. I just can't think. Sorry. I'm over here spacing the song. Continue.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Old rags.

[Dope as Jos]

Old rags. So first thing you want to do when you're making rolling papers is you got to find mills that are going to actually give you the time of day. And these mills are old, big. I tried most of them. Wouldn't want to even talk to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

To say, because you're too small.

[Dope as Jos]

Right? Because I'm just. I was working with Jose Emilio, who had his beautiful factory in Spain. But to get RAW made, to get that unbleached paper made, that had never been done before. That I had seen for rolling paper, Right. I had never seen anything like that. I really believe that. No one had ever made a paper like RAW before. Raw. To convince the mills to make the base sheet for it was difficult, Very difficult. My first few times I tried it, no one would even talk to me about it. I didn't have that much money. I didn't have cred. But when I made other successful papers, not as successful as raw, but it's like, I guess the overall lesson is when you want to build a car, you don't go and build a car. First thing you got to do is make tires. You gotta learn all the steps along the way. It's a ladder. So I was able to make elements a good success. I was able to make GCJs a good success. I was able to start selling, Moving some real paper. Moving paper now. Moving paper now. People actually want to talk to me. Now. I've got a little bit of a name and a little bit of a good reputation. So now I can go back to places like a mill with Jose Emilio and try to convince them I need this base sheet. Come on, come on, come on, come on.

[Josh Kesselman]

But they're saying, dude, we don't even do that. We're not doing that for You. Yeah, that's what they're thinking, right?

[Dope as Jos]

They're like, why would you change it? The thing that was said to me, from what I remember was, no one will want to smoke a paper bag, Josh. And they would laugh at me. So. But what. This isn't really about paper, though. Whenever you want to make something new that hasn't been made before, whenever you want to disrupt an industry, you can generally expect tremendous pushback from established players.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

From the industry itself, not wanting to change. We as human beings resist change. We don't like, oh, cool, there's change, let's do it. No, we push back against that. We often like things that are the same way. You were talking earlier. Some dudes and buying some particular strain of weed, he's going to go in and keep buying that stream of weed. Some dude's buying a certain brand of paper, he's going to keep buying that brand of paper unless something finally convinces him enough to change.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

With anything that people make, you're going to hit hard. Resistance from people already doing it a certain way, from competitors that have been doing it a certain way that do not want you to change, and even from your customers who've been buying it and smoking in a certain way who don't want to change. This is what you're gonna. You're up against. It is the truth. This is what we're up against. So now how do you want to approach that? Here's your three roadblocks. What do you want to do? How you want to get around it? My way was, let's go start off really small. And this is what I often recommend to people. People. If something can work on a small scale, it could probably work on a bigger scale. So we managed to make some little successes. We managed to make those cool, juicy Jays papers and those elements papers and a few other really fun ones. And all this cool little pouch papers and papers with freaking with prints on the end and all this cool stuff. Ones that looked like a cigarette or it had called urban wraps.

[Josh Kesselman]

All that's yours?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Dude, I've made so much stuff. So much stuff. I love paper.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thought those were the hardest ever. Wait, my memory just came back. We had this conversation on the phone and I went, that's you? Yeah. The papers that look like they have a filter. So it's like a cigarette.

[Marty]

Genius.

[Josh Kesselman]

My homie had one pack in high school. Like, you are a genius. Genius. I mean, we still can't smoke cigarettes, but still it's better.

[Dope as Jos]

So I made all these cool little knickknacks and trinkets and all these cool little paper stuff and all this stuff. And that gave me enough cred where I could finally convince the powers that be to essentially make Raw. It was hard as it really was, and it still is. And then raw on its own, once that became successful, which was hard to do. Just like you, Thomas. The. There's an expression that the obstacle becomes. The way they kick you off social media, you end up with a podcast. I don't know if you would ended up with this podcast if they hadn't kicked your ass on social media the way they did, Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't know. I don't know what I'd be doing if they were maybe. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

So let's say now they just let me be. I just be comfortable with like 8 million followers, right. Taking Nike deal, not having fun. And then it dies off. And instead we have this. This is so much better.

[Dope as Jos]

So kicking you off of Instagram, they cut. They caused you to have a podcast and they actually made your voice louder.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, they pissed me off.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Go. Oh, just wait.

[Dope as Jos]

People would have only seen the entertaining side of your. You. They wouldn't have actually seen.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

It would just been like planned videos. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Smoke session would have been like my old favorites. Wasted. Remember?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah. That was fun. Those were fun times.

[Dope as Jos]

They were fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

I liked doing skits, dude. They were so much fun.

[Dope as Jos]

They were so much fun. Like, you made me laugh so hard, Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

You made me laugh so hard, man. All the trends. I used to hop on the next morning.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And do them my way.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I'm like, yeah. Turns over. The weed version always wins. I would do. I would do. That's why I would get sent like, you know that guy you, you, you, you. I saw you. He posted with you. And I'm like, Josh knows this guy. He's. He's on Tick Tock. He's got long hair. His name's Tony. I don't know his last.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Tony Savochi's like a skit dude.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

He makes the way he used to do that. I do it just like that. Man. You're really. This guy's hilarious. And then I look at his shares. I'm like, wow, A hundred thousand people share that to a friend because they're like, see, that's hilarious. Like, yes. That used to be my whole page. Just like making holy. Or a fictional character about something dumb. Yeah. And it's just fun. And when I see Him I just started following when you, when he posted with you. I'm like, no, I've seen this guy on Tick Tock.

[Dope as Jos]

He's funny, he's funny.

[Josh Kesselman]

Stuff like that. That's why I follow him. Like, this guy's fun. He's putting in effort. It's fun. Like little stuff is just so. It's so fun. But now I'm always focused on long form stuff. So it's different.

[Dope as Jos]

But it's different because you get to show more of yourself and bring it back to answering Marty's question. The obstacle becomes the way the thing that didn't. That doesn't. How hard is it? Yeah, of course there are all these obstacles. So I became successful on a small scale and use that to make it a bigger scale and a bigger scale. They kicked me out. I can't get to the convenience stores because of all these contracts where people tell me, no, we exclusive agreement with blah, blah, blah company. We can't carry your stuff.

[Josh Kesselman]

Actually, you're not in any Seven Elevens or anything, right?

[Dope as Jos]

Not that I know of. We probably are independent ones. If it's an independent store, they love me in my experience because I make them a ton of money, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

So a 711 can be owned privately, like my 711 or I'm part of the franchise corpo.

[Dope as Jos]

I ain't in corporate.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because you're franchise no matter what.

[Dope as Jos]

Right.

[Josh Kesselman]

But if you're corporate, you have to go corporate.

[Dope as Jos]

Corporate. I, I believe that. I ain't in there, man, because I'm not playing that game. They want, they want, they want you. From my experience. They want us to pay for shelf space.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, yeah. It's a big thing in Source.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, no, it's me, man. I'm going to give you a real good deal on the paper and you're going to sell the paper. You're gonna make a really good margin and you're gonna make the customers really happy. That's the way we work.

[Josh Kesselman]

So maybe it's to keep you off the shelf. They got to pay, so maybe that's why they have to pay more. Or maybe. Look at the thing is right now somebody might be thinking this about you thinking it's Josh kicking me off the shelf. And in all actualities, he's got billions or you're not even on the shelf or. But the thing is, like, it's all subjective. Like right now we're talking about people, you know, who you're thinking in your head. You probably have a factual statement like, no, they, they do kick me off the Shelf. I know that for a fact. But most people don't. And it's all speculation. Then they start thinking like, what'd you say? They carnalize people.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Well, that's when you elevate them.

[Josh Kesselman]

So when you look at them like, well, who can I look at? Who else is bigger than me?

[Dope as Jos]

It's canonized. That's the right term. I think it's canonizing. Can of them, whatever.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm not sure. But like say another rolling paper. They're not gonna look at the guy smaller than them and go, it's you. You don't have the capabilities. So those guys probably hate you because you're talking about so much stuff that's gonna hurt them. Right.

[Dope as Jos]

Right. They. They. I believe so.

[Josh Kesselman]

They probably look at you like, he's gonna wreck us. Let's get him off the shell. Is what I would think. If I'm a huge. I mean, let's put us all in positions right now. Ready? We're billionaires. We've been doing this for hundreds of years. This is my great, great, great, great grandpa's thing.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

This guy from New York is over here messing my up. Let's get him kicked off the show. I see why they would want to. And then like he just told everybody that our has chalk in it. I can't get why they're like, stop him. I get it. I understand.

[Dope as Jos]

Shut.

[Josh Kesselman]

I wouldn't do it up. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But I was. I would just sell more papers as that company or modify your papers or make it different. But then again, that is the thing where you said slugworth more of like, let me copy it or make it better or on them.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is in every industry too. But this is human.

[Dope as Jos]

This is human nature. If you're going to be successful, you're going to come across established players. They're going to do everything they can to make. Create every roadblock that they can in order to your ass up. Thomas, your clothing company comes more and more successful. You're gonna run into these dude. And the first thing, if it's anything like I have seen, I believe first they're going to come to you and try to buy you. That's part one. Right. Then when you say no because you want to stay independent, you really like what you're doing. Well, now we got to crush you. Yeah, maybe they might try to crush you through litigation. Maybe that is a typical thing that usually happens in corporate America. We hear about it all the time, don't we? If that doesn't work. What happens next? We're going to find another way. We're going to keep you off the shelf. We're going to try to pass laws to ban your product. We're do anything we can to get in your way rather than change. Taking all that energy and being like, you know, Thomas made some cool. I bet I could take all of that out. Invent Thomas. I will make a cooler shirt than that. I will make stuff. We're going to get a team of people that are the greatest inventors in the history of T shirts, and we're going to make T shirts. You know what? We're going to make even better T shirts when they're easier to get on and off. We're going to have one with adjustable sleeves. We're gonna do ones with it. We're gonna make shirts.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

For the 29th century. That's where I want them to go. Take all those millions of dollars.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think for them, it's easier to go, I'm a billionaire. I'm not wasting my time. I'm on a boat. I'm on a yacht. I can see why they think that way, but it's kind of like a. They probably didn't invent that company. They probably didn't put the work in to start it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

So why do they care? They're just getting paid. You have to think about it as movies. Board in the boards. Yeah, the board in the movies. Like, no, no, no. I'm going to lose. How much? No, we're not doing that. We're not changing our factory. Because this guy's doing better.

[Dope as Jos]

Fuck this guy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because, you know, there's a reason why certain soda companies are better than the others.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Marty]

This is how we became.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's how we. I mean, people, the weed people, the weed industry, do this to each other.

[Dope as Jos]

I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

In the weed industry, grow words.

[Dope as Jos]

Therefore, it is not about weed. It is not about paper. It's not about shirts. It's about humans and the way that our particular business structure happens to be. So whatever people are going against here, they're all going to end up. I think the overwhelming odds, they're all going to end up in the same fucking struggle. I went through a gauntlet, as you know. They are going to go through a gauntlet, every single one of them. If you get successful enough, you could damn well expect you're going to have to go through this gauntlet. Now when you. It's up to you. You could be weak and sell Early. You could do that. I hope you don't. I hope if you truly love what you do, you're going to hold on to it. You're going to go through the fight, go through the gauntlet, and come out the other side stronger. Just like you came through your own gauntlet already, Thomas. Stronger. You have another one to go through, though, just because you get. You're doing better. And the better you do, the more successful you become. There's another gauntlet waiting for you, dude. This is just the way we are.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So you. But you went through your own. I've watched you go through your gauntlet, and as you go through it, you became stronger. You became a better person. I think you became more sharing, and our world is better because you went through what you went through. Because they kicked you off Instagram, because they keep kicking your ass out because you have all these roadblocks in front of you. You became a better person. You did, Thomas.

[Josh Kesselman]

Well, I think I got to see all sides because, you know, like, you're like, well, this is. Adult people are really trying to do that. I don't feel like a child anymore. This is weird. I make that much of an impact for.

[Dope as Jos]

Really? Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Kidding me.

[Dope as Jos]

You do.

[Josh Kesselman]

Then you start thinking, like, all right, well, I'm doing something cool. And then you just, like, I'm just gonna keep doing it because I would have stopped a long time ago. Because the only reason I don't is like. Like, if I stop, someone's at whoever's doing is like, finally. That finally. I bet you I'm. I'll live. You. Why do you think I'm never gonna stop?

[Dope as Jos]

They're waiting for you to drop the next video. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that is? Honestly?

[Josh Kesselman]

You're talking about the people that are upset. Oh, yeah, I get that. So I thought you meant the people that are trying to do.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, no. Those guys.

[Josh Kesselman]

Of course they're waiting for the next.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah. They're waiting for. They are too hopeful. See something stupid. But. No, but your actual fans.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Honestly, dude, I think it's this. If I take myself out of this. Not me. And I always do. I always. That's why I. When I used to edit videos, like, Pretend it's not Me. Is do I. Like this? Is, do I want to hang out with this person? That's how I think of everything. I'd hang out with that person. Yeah, this. I would like to hang out with that guy. This. This girl's cool. I'd hang out with her, you see people and you start. You know what you do? You press follow. And that's how you, like, follow people on social media. Like this person. Yeah, they're great. That's how I judge everything. Like, I do not want to hang out with her at all. Him. Please don't bring him over. That's how I judge everything. Like, they're not nice and they don't need to be around. Like, you know what you. You know what I mean? Like, you could go further, man.

[Dope as Jos]

Go.

[Josh Kesselman]

What? What is it?

[Dope as Jos]

I. Because, Thomas, you make them happy, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah, that too. Because. Because I'd be happy to hang out with that person. Because you make me st. That's. Sorry. That's. That's what I mean. Like, the hangout means you're a good person. I would let you over. I want to be your friend. Let's have fun. Do you want to smoke weed? Do you laugh at the same.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Because if you like me probably relatable. You probably. We probably relate to each other. Like, me and Marty. Marty could watch me over that thing. He could be like, oh, yeah, we did that video with that guy.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, oh, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

He makes videos and does weed stuff. I like weed stuff. Marty's on the other side of the country. I get it. Because, like. Like, Marty. Why do you like Nos. Why do you like. Who do you like? Why do you like Betty the Butcher? Like, that shit's hard. This is hard. Oh, I know that street. This. You're relatable. You're from the same city in the same street. So you're, like, automatic.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Why do you like the Bills? It's part of your culture.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, why do you like the. But the thing is, like, football makes you stoked and happy.

[Marty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Why do you think people show up to the stadiums? I just went to the game on Sunday. The people are. Football might not be as popular on tv, but go to a stadium and watch out. Hyped.

[Dope as Jos]

Everybody is there to get that energy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm not even a Bengals fan. Like, good, good, good job.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, just. You just hyped to. I just think it's great. And seeing this communal stadium of people, like, a lot of people like, energy in that stadium. It's cool, man. I honestly believe. I know the sales would go down. I think they should wristband everybody. And then when you buy a drink, they do it. And you got four drinks in you for the day. Because alcohol is the only downfall is.

[Dope as Jos]

Why don't go get too far yeah, they go too far.

[Josh Kesselman]

Stadiums. The only thing I'm always on, like, oh, some fools are going to do something stupid. Someone's going to sock somebody.

[Dope as Jos]

I want to bring you back. I'm not going to let you get. You get off track on the. So what I think it is. I think the reason why they're waiting for you to drop the next one is because you make them happy.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the videos that. If you remember that part. No, I was already gone.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm not gone.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I was already eight conversations.

[Dope as Jos]

Like, I'm trying to tell you them. I'm trying to talk to you the way that you know what I mean? And I really believe that they want. They're waiting for their next video because you make them happy and that is the way that you serve them. That's what you serve as a human being. It's a beautiful thing. You're doing a great job. And that is essentially the same thing that a rolling paper does, man. It gets. It uplifts them. It makes them feel a certain way higher. It makes them happy. We're all trying to do the same thing. We're just doing a different way for sure. And I think you're doing a. A great job. I love that they wait for your.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thank you.

[Dope as Jos]

Thank you. I don't blame them for waiting for your because I wait for your too.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's fun, man. It's. It's. I feel like in five years YouTube's gonna be like, nah, man. The cannabis section is ran by so and so. This is the 420 part of YouTube. I feel like that's gonna happen one day. And all this stuff we always go through, I would go, me and Marty are the head of cannabis. But. But then again, I'm not. I'm like, I wouldn't probably be you youtuber at that point. We're probably doing something else. But how stoked will I be to go, hey, you guys don't have to experience any of this. I'm gonna let you go unre right now. You're a cannabis content creator. You're just talking about like, you're saying, like, with the last prisoner project, I went through some. I don't want you guys to go through some. I can help then if I get in that position. Like, oh my God, we talk about it off. Like, how cool would it be like right now if I could turn off restriction for everyone else and keep it on mine? I would do it 100.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because I'm already. I get that. And I'm gonna Keep doing it no matter what. But there's like 80 of the week. You need that. How many pages were so fun we first started? This guy does that. This guy does this. This guy does that. This guy makes art out of this. This guy makes this and goes outside. It makes the most coolest landscape weed pictures I've never seen in your life. They're all gone. They're all gone. They keep getting played, getting deleted. So like, I feel like, and I don't know, like if there's a, a button to press, I think that button would be worth it kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I get it. It's not just my content, what people see. I want to see content. I want to see cool stuff. Like I'm looking for the next YouTube. I'm waiting for the guy to take over my. I just want to watch some content, man. Anybody else in this lane to make some fun stuff, that's, that's what I'm here for. I just want to see more. And like, like, I know a lot of people like it when it's competition. Like, it's not really competition, man. I am a fan first off of content. So if I get more of it, even though they're might be taking away from my view. Oh, it's okay, bro. If you're gonna watch my. You're gonna watch my. You don't go, I like football. I can't watch baseball. No, you can watch. You could do both. So I feel like with the content thing and like, you see, you keep going, it keeps happening, it keeps working. I think it's just because if we stop, who the else is going to do this this many times? No one else gonna get deleted this many times. Be like, who cares? New email. You know how many emails I have?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I remember teaching, talking you through. You had to. I did convince you to reset your phone or get a new phone.

[Josh Kesselman]

I had to go get a new phone. Yeah. Because I had to start. I've got like 15 new iPhones.

[Dope as Jos]

I remember talking the first time through it and I was like, no, it says here you have to.

[Josh Kesselman]

IP's blocked.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, you have to go, oh God. I knew your Mac IP id. Yeah. Like, you got to get a new phone, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what I told you.

[Dope as Jos]

You're like, what? I can't get a new phone.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I remember that. I remember I'm looking at like, I can't even afford a new phone. I gotta get new phone. I don't get paid off of. Yeah, all right, I guess I'll do it.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. So what you're saying, though, is the same thing for me. Okay, so when I stopped doing this, right? Because eventually, dude, eventually you just be.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, I'm Dave Navaro, like, I'm taking over his lane. I'm a rock star for real. Because eventually you're gonna stop and go, please, can I go? Enjoy.

[Dope as Jos]

I wanna. I wanna. I wanna move to Spain. I really want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I even have a house already set for, like, I'll be back over there hopefully and close on this particular house. And it's beautiful. It isn't beautiful in terms of like, oh, my God, it's so fancy. It's very historically significant. Eventually, yeah, weird.

[Josh Kesselman]

Should have moved to another. I mean, that's awesome. If you. You've traveled how many countries, Josh?

[Dope as Jos]

A lot. Most countries, right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Most every time to talk to you on a plane, right?

[Dope as Jos]

I probably hit most countries by now. I am. I can only do this for so long. I want. When I get to a certain point, I'm. I didn't. I still want to be messing with rolling paper. So I'm gone. But I can only do so much of it for so long, and I want to enjoy more of it. And I find myself have two places where I'm ridiculously happy. One is at home on my ranch with my horse and my donk. I'm really happy there. Like, really happy. And then over in. In Spain, I'm really happy in Spain. So it's like, okay, what do you see your retirement at? For me, it's like. Like I've watched what Jose Emilio did for his retirement. Seeing he's happy, he's. He works, but not much when he wants to. And he does tinkering and all this. Cool. And I'm watching what he's doing. I'm like, that looks like a good life, you know, That's a nice life there, man. That looks like fun. So this historic little house came up for sale. It's historic as. It's cool. It's old. Still has coal in the basement. I'm not gonna use that, but it's still there.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm glad you're so positive because the.

[Dope as Jos]

The.

[Josh Kesselman]

The ghosts would just be like, let's get this scare out of him.

[Dope as Jos]

The ghost are going to love me.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know they will. They're going to be so happy. They're going to learn. I got.

[Dope as Jos]

I got new friends to hang out with, man. So it's like, great.

[Josh Kesselman]

So in Spanish, I'd be just so confused. What are people saying to me?

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, they'll speak. The hardest part is that I know the ghosts are going to speak Valencian, which is not Spanish. And it's like, oh, when people speak Valencia to me, I'm like, oh, no, you didn't, did you?

[Josh Kesselman]

Why is it so Spanish? What's Valencia?

[Dope as Jos]

That's our actual, official, supposedly local language.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's not. Oh, in Spain. Yeah. I've never heard of that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

So uneducated. It's insane.

[Dope as Jos]

There's a language, like, there's Catalan, which is spoken in Barcelona, and we have Valencian, which is spoken in. In the Valencian Autonomous region, which is where we are. So not everyone speaks it. Spanish is very, very common. But the older, new generation and some of the old stuff I find there is Valencian. And then I'm like, oh, I don't understand Valencian. I really don't. I try, but I don't understand. I can speak Spanish, but not Valencian. So. All right. You can only do this for so long. I can only do this for so long. I love tinkering with machines. I love making better and better stuff. I enjoy that part of it so much, bouncing around the world like a. I like it a lot. But I can see they're gonna come a time when the body's gonna say, josh, I'm sorry, bro. Like, I love you, man, but you've.

[Josh Kesselman]

Been sitting here for a long flight. A lot of flights.

[Dope as Jos]

A lot of flights. A lot of pressurization, depressurization, all that kind of stuff.

[Josh Kesselman]

Does that do stuff to your body?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it does. It does. It's not the right kind of pressurization. Like we're. Hyperbaric chamber is the opposite. You're going below the sea, essentially. You're getting pressure put on you, and you want that. You want that. That you'll bring a water bottle in the hyperbaric chamber with you. If you go into a hyperbaric chamber and you'll see it in the hyperbaric chamber, that and oxygen. I don't know exactly how it works. I really don't, but the oxygen comes into you, and the pressure on your body reduces inflammation, that kind of stuff. And the. The oxygen, the higher enriched oxygen, blood or something like this goes to places where it normally wouldn't reach. For me, it healed a broken toe.

[Josh Kesselman]

Circulation.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. It brings it through, gets into places. Only go. And promotes healing, supposedly. Who the knows, right? So I love hyperbaric chambers. I really dig going into whatever I can. It's really helped me a Lot on my journey towards getting better again. Airplane is the other way. Airplane, your body is going the other way. You're expanding out, not in.

[Josh Kesselman]

So is that why I feel like shield?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I always feel like this.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I blow to damn near when I'm flying.

[Dope as Jos]

Every time you're bloating, you're going out, you're going out.

[Josh Kesselman]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Essentially, of course, I'm probably, I always.

[Josh Kesselman]

Feel like on the flights, man.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, me too, me too. I, I, I hate flying. Only because magnesium helps, by the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Magnesium glycinate. Some pilots have taught me to take a shitload of that before the flight, during the flight, after the flight. That reduced that feeling a lot. A lot, a lot. Helped me out a lot. So magnesium glycinate. There's your plug. There's going to come a time when the body going to say, no, Josh. So I'd rather like, enjoy that thing. Me trying to find someone that has the level of knowledge that I have of rolling paper. Because I believe at this very moment that I understand rolling paper more than. This is just my personal belief more than any other human being alive. I truly believe that because I've met so many people, there might be someone else out there that knows it more than me. I would love to hang out with that person. I'd love to spend time with them. We would have so much fun together. You know, really, when I say understand, I don't mean just from a scientific perspective. I mean more from what is it really doing perspective. How we can kind of, hey, you know, it's actually doing this. It's actually releasing energy. It's releasing energy into your material, and your material is releasing that energy into you. So if we understand it from that level of what the paper is actually doing, well, that gives us a different way of thinking about it, that we can adjust it to improve. Improve the actual experience for the person that's smoking. Right. I don't meet other people that talk to me like this the way I'm talking to you. I wish I did.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

I would have so many more friends. I would have so many more friends. But at the moment, what I need is I need help. I need people to come work with me that have that burning passion inside of them. It doesn't have to be for paper. They just have to have the ability to have that real burning passion. So when they come in and work with me, I can teach them this stuff. And they will dance in the trees with me.

[Josh Kesselman]

The Way that, yeah, I got you.

[Dope as Jos]

And that's what I look for now. Because it's like, dude, I only got so many more years. I got to teach this to somebody. I don't want to be gone. I don't know if you know what happened. About a year and a half ago, I said I was going to be in New York, right? And I post on social media something about I'm heading to New York again. This is from memory. I say I'm going to be in New York, right? This is all that bad shit's going down. I then post a video of me on a plane, but I'm actually flying to Phoenix from Vancouver. I think I then post a video, a throwback, because I'm missing New York. A lot of me being in New York, but I don't mention that is a throwback on my story. And either that night or the night after. Sometime right about then, some dude breaks into my apartment in New York City. Wait. Alarm goes off. Dude, don't leave. Dude goes down into my bedroom level and looks like from we can see on the cameras, waits for me in my bedroom for over half an hour with the alarm going off the whole time. So I think dude was waiting with a mask on. Of course, dude was waiting for Josh to come home and respond to that alarm because Josh said he was in New York and Josh isn't coming and dude's waiting there. Eventually, dude leaves, taking a pair of my sneakers, and I think he took my backpack.

[Marty]

Creepy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So you can imagine now the place is like Fort Knox and we got something now. It's like Macaulay Culkin, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's like Home Alone.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, dude. Now someone comes in. Now it's like I feel bad for him. It's like a torture session. You know what I mean? Like, good luck, bro. You ain't getting. I mean, if you do, you know you're gonna be tarred and feathered and you're not doing it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Tartan feathers are great. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

He's not making it so they would run out of there with the stuff I have in there now because it's me. So you can imagine what it's like, what's waiting for them, right? It's like Josh's house of surprise and horrors.

[Josh Kesselman]

Bunch of fun, kinda. She wrapped in tape. It's all play lamb starts just getting boxed, trapped.

[Dope as Jos]

It's gonna. It's gonna be.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's funny.

[Dope as Jos]

That funny. We were literally inspired by Home Alone and thinking about what the thing that's gonna happen to this person if they come back. But if they could get through the security that's there now. Good luck. If you come in, you're gonna wish you hadn't. You're really gonna wish you hadn't, you know, so. But you go through like that and you go through that. What do I do after that? Well, I made a point of making sure that everyone knew that that happened. Right. Because it was really odd happened. It's so odd. Then I gotta write some documents for certain people that I care about. Lawyers and things like that. Maybe you want to do that. Maybe you want to write some things, put them in sealed envelopes and give them to them with instructions to be opened upon as you passed away. That might give them some information as to what might have actually happened.

[Josh Kesselman]

Weird.

[Dope as Jos]

Weird. And the fact that I had to go to that level, that's shitty, dude. Yeah, I'm just a dude who likes to make rolling papers and do cool like this, man. You know, this is what I. This is like my passion. Not bad. So I gotta be ready and I gotta find someone to that people that can take over some of these things. People that I can try to teach where they care so much about it that they're up at 11 o'clock at night in their underwear, experimenting with rolling papers in their kitchen because they had.

[Josh Kesselman]

An idea they're out there. Might not be for this, but they're there.

[Dope as Jos]

I've met a few for now. That's what I really look for. That's what I need in my, like, in my repertoire more than anything.

[Josh Kesselman]

Do you have a. An exit date where you're like, I'm going to Spain in 20, 30, or is there. Is there a date where, like, I think.

[Dope as Jos]

Is it really a date? I'm waiting to see what happens with.

[Josh Kesselman]

With.

[Dope as Jos]

With my daughter Coco. So sh.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm about to. Dude, would you. What?

[Dope as Jos]

She's almost 20, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

I feel so old.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I know, I know, man. Coco is almost 20. So I'm waiting to see what her passion. I know, I know, I know. She's in my mind. She's my little Coco. She's going to come in here right now and go, josh, Josh. I'm like, come here, sweetheart. I love you. I give her all my squishes, all that stuff, but she's almost 20 years old, dude. Like really almost any day now. She's 20 years old.

[Josh Kesselman]

God, I feel. Oh, remember my little brother? I always just to hide everything. That's him, really. That's Rocco, by the way. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. I Said it's my brother, but that's. That's my. Was like, oh, my brother's like seven. Because you're like, she's six. Yeah, brother's seven. Yeah, he just turned 20.

[Dope as Jos]

Remember?

[Josh Kesselman]

They were like, couple months apart.

[Dope as Jos]

First of all, we got to meet. We got to meet each other.

[Josh Kesselman]

Isn't that crazy? So I feel the same way. I'm like, Jesus Christ. To know that your daughter's almost 20 is crazy to me. Same thing. 27. Same thing, you guys. But weird.

[Dope as Jos]

I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

A full grown adult.

[Dope as Jos]

Full grown adult.

[Josh Kesselman]

So wait, she gonna go to college or do something? Is that what you're waiting on, to see where she goes to? Where you go to work?

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, she's in college. She went to the university in. In Arizona. Asu, Arizona State. She likes to come home every day because I've got the horse and donkey and she wants to go home to see the horse, Naki, every day.

[Josh Kesselman]

So you're saying you're waiting to see what she does before you make your decision or make matters in the terms of, like, what, a career.

[Dope as Jos]

Maybe she wants to take the over. Maybe she does. I don't know if I want her to, but she doesn't have the passion for it. She might. She. She is smarter than me.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what you're saying? I'm waiting to see if my daughter wants to do it before I hand it off to somebody else.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Before I try to figure out.

[Josh Kesselman]

Got you. Sorry, I thought you meant.

[Dope as Jos]

And I don't want to sell it to a third party. My. My dream is selling it to my fans. That's like the dream. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Hold on. You're telling me that one day you would sell raw and just be gone?

[Dope as Jos]

I can't. No, no, no, not like that. I can't just be gone. I mean.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I'm saying, like. And I'm gone to Spain.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. What else can I do? But it would have.

[Josh Kesselman]

That seems kind of odd almost.

[Dope as Jos]

Wait, it isn't the way you think of it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

When I say I'm in Spain, I'm still there making like.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, you're doing. I'm saying you're living your life. You're no longer. I'm going across the world and going to champs every two months and. And mj, bizcon, blah, blah. All that stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm saying might fly back for a couple shows a year.

[Josh Kesselman]

Of course, you're still. I mean, you have friends here and stuff. I get it. But I'm saying to move to Spain. Because you said, I want to wake up and, you know, go do this. And I walk around town. I know everyone's name. Yeah, that's what you told me once. I imagine it like the. Being the beginning of Beauty and the Beast when Belle's just walking around town, everybody knows her name. That's Josh. Hello. And walking around. That sounds like a cool life.

[Dope as Jos]

I get it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I do get it. It sounds like a very cool life. Dude.

[Dope as Jos]

At the ice cream shop there in town, there's a picture of the man as a boy, a little boy behind the counter. And now he's probably 70. And there he is. Looks you can see. And he'll take the pose for you. And it was his family before him, if I remember right.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's cool, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

Seeing things like that, I'm like, you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Know, don't get that here.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm really happy there. Like, I really like it. It's really cute. And, like, it's a great life, you know, It's a wonderful, wonderful life. Whatever's in the movie.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, whatever.

[Dope as Jos]

But it's a good one, man. It's a. There's lots of amazing lives to live. For me, I think there's. I'd like to be more epic. The ending to be, like, epic.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, for sure. This movie has to go awesome, right? So that's when he said, just sell it to my fan. Like, but it's a bunch of owners. Take what. Because I was confused. Like, you sell it.

[Dope as Jos]

I haven't found the method. I don't know if it exists. I've been talking about it now for a year, hoping someone's going to bring me something that actually works. All right. What I picture in my head is this is just in Josh's head.

[Josh Kesselman]

Perfect.

[Dope as Jos]

On the inside of the booklet was an individual QR code. And if you want to buy a share of raw, you got to scan that QR code so that if you're that dude on Wall street, you know, smoking the cigar, talking about money all the time, dreaming about money, living about money, worshiping money, doing everything you can to make more money. If you're that guy, well, it's gonna make it really hard for you to really invest heavily in my company, isn't it? Right.

[Josh Kesselman]

400, 000 go to the fans, the.

[Dope as Jos]

People that built it.

[Josh Kesselman]

So that's. That's. What's that? Is that a method?

[Dope as Jos]

No, that's a way to do this.

[Josh Kesselman]

And I thought, I give it to one guy's like, actually, I'm a billionaire, and I'm down And I love a weed. I'll give it to your fans. Here's some. Here's the money.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, there's something like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is the only possible way for that.

[Dope as Jos]

The fans at least owned a part of it enough so that they were connected. So that. All right, I guess I got to explain something to you. It's one little piece. I know we're getting late. We'll cut my. I'll cut myself off soon.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're good.

[Dope as Jos]

There's a mantra I live by which for business and personally, honestly, which is we all get higher together. Okay. That's what I was talking about when we were talking about cannabis. And it was the mountain for thc. Business for me is the hill. Most people look at business as, in my experience, as a mountain. I'm sorry that I have to keep doing that, guys. I'm trying to get myself.

[Josh Kesselman]

It makes sense, though. It really does.

[Dope as Jos]

As a mountain. They're on top of the mountain. You're down here. They're here. You're here. You got a store, you're here. They're here. They're making all the money. Here's them on top. Wow. I got a mansion at a yacht. My name is Elmer Frickin Fudd. That is not a cool place to be. That is not where I want to be. That is not fun. That is not cool. That is not epic. That is not legendary. That is not helping. Instead, if you build a hill, well, you can kind of bring a whole. The way you build a hill is you bring everybody with you on top of the hill. So maybe you don't make as much money as a dude on top of the mountain, but, you know, if you fall off a mountain, something goes wrong. It's a long way down. You're probably going to get hurt. As when you got a hill, you don't really fall down off a hill. As you've seen what happened to Josh Hill. Kind of keeps you up there. You might roll down a little bit, get up and walk back to the top, and you got a whole bunch of friends there with you. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

You make enough money to really. I can help.

[Dope as Jos]

I can help. Everybody's with you there on the same hill with you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

That's what I call all. We all get hired together in business, in our community. We all get hired together giving back for real. You know, we crossed 3 million bucks in actual donations to various charities. $3 million. What could I done with that? I could do some stupid with that, man. Yeah, right.

[Josh Kesselman]

No point.

[Dope as Jos]

No point. I should have given back A lot more than I've given back. Honestly, I really should have, but I real. I really like reinvesting and building. Cool. And building a factory in Spain.

[Josh Kesselman]

I mean, you have to think about things like that. If it's a bit business also, giving back at all is awesome. And then you start thinking. Most people don't even think of it, let alone. I feel bad to do more. You'll be all right, man. There's other opportunity in the end.

[Dope as Jos]

You could do the Bill Gates thing. Give it all away at the end, but I don't know.

[Josh Kesselman]

Bill Gates throw his money away.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. His. Or is it him or Warren Buffett? Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Gave that to his wife in the divorce.

[Dope as Jos]

She got a chunk. But I believe they all signed a pact, including Warren Buffett, that the majority of their wealth is given away upon their death. Death, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's awesome. Yeah, Very cool.

[Dope as Jos]

Jobs didn't sign. That would have been nice if he had done it. Elon didn't sign that. That I know of. And that would be nice if you would have signed.

[Josh Kesselman]

Whoa. What a weird thing.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. So these other guys signed Warren Buffett, and a bunch of these guys signed this thing. From what I read that they're giving back most of their wealth.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're gonna be rich as hell. If the world's gotta be like, you're gonna sign that. Right. That's a wild opportunity.

[Dope as Jos]

They did this out of their. Out of their. Out of their own particular way of caring about humans. Maybe they're. Maybe they live too high of a life while they're here now, but at least when they're gone, it goes back to the people. My thing is, we all get hired together in terms of this. And an exit is you bring in the people that. That made Raw successful, the people that are buying the packs. You let them buy the shares of the company, and then when Raw continues to be successful, they succeed with you. And literally, literally, we all get hired together. That is epic. That is legendary. That's one. When Josh is gone, 300 years from now, they're still talking about that story, and that's the way I want it to be. And then, of course, in the end, Josh is wrapped in a bunch of rolling paper and put back in the nurse. And then hopefully, he plants people plant the seed. Epic.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what. That shit's cool. We talked about it. Tree pods are badass.

[Dope as Jos]

Tree pods are bad. But I want to be rocked. A rolling game. I really want.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, it's. I want a Goosebumps blanket. The purple one. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Mushroom Seeds with me too. The mushroom blanket, too. But I want. But I want the rolling paper on the outside. It'll biodegrade. I'm sure of it.

[Josh Kesselman]

If my blanket doesn't biodegrade, don't. I don't give a. I'm gone.

[Dope as Jos]

So in the earth forever.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's all good, man.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm down there in the earth. It'll. It'll be five, so. Yeah, that's how Josh wants to go.

[Josh Kesselman]

Weird. It'd be so odd thinking of you not doing it.

[Dope as Jos]

It'd be so out of you not doing it too, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

I. I get it. But you know what I'm saying, this.

[Dope as Jos]

Boat with me, pal.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is different. This is like everyone has. Everyone has a pack of this. It's. I don't know. I'm just going back to before I did anything like, oh, wow, that guy does. Owns a company. Like, if I didn't do any of this, I saw this in the outside. Like, this. Owns a company. He made all. And then you hear the story. It's different because you don't hear this about any industry. Yeah, yeah. Coca Cola son wasn't like, you know what? My dad showed me a soda trick like nobody had. Nobody thinks like that.

[Dope as Jos]

That.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think as far as me interviewing a bunch of people watching every movie imaginable, I don't hear like this often.

[Marty]

Yeah, that's true.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a very Forrest Gump style life. I like it.

[Dope as Jos]

I guess it's like Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. He loved chocolate. But that. But it's no different than so many. I've heard this story before.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. Movie. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is.

[Dope as Jos]

Kids who love shoes have gone into shoes. It's a. It's.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes, I get that. There's like a baseball player. He said he'd be a baseball player. He was two years old. Yeah, I get it.

[Dope as Jos]

A dude was into baseball bats. I'm sure there was a kid who loved baseball bats. Now he probably makes the best baseball bat that ever been hit.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes, of course there's that. But not one that can smoke weed.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes. And I could have been an accountant. And no offense to accountants, by the way. Accountants are. I'm sure you guys love numbers and that kind of stuff. I just don't. I don't. I didn't want to be an accountant. I met some accounts out there that really love what they do. I just did not want to be an accountant. I really don't. And the accountant is the proverbial thing. It's that Thing of something that you were, that you were being routed into the cubicle job, the cubicle job that you didn't want to do, that you did because you needed to earn a living and support something, family, yourself, anything like that. But you don't like it that when I say account, it isn't actual accounts, it's something you're doing. Just when I was little and I had one of my early jobs in, I was a stock boy at a Chateau drug and pharmacy in, out in Long Island. This is back when the family moved to Long Island. And I remember I was getting paid $3 again, sorry if I'm wrong, $3.14 an hour to work as a stock boy. And I remember a big truck came up full of like Pampers and shit. Big old 18 Wheeler backed up and the other guy had not shown up for the day. And I looked at that truck and I thought, how, oh my God, I'm gonna spend the next 8 hours offloading this truck. And I thought to myself, I would gladly pay somebody else $3.14 an hour before tax to offload that goddamn truck. And I really realized I was selling hours of my life that I would never get back. And that's when I really had that realization. I don't want to ever be in a position where I feel like I'm selling hours of my life. And as I went through and I used to work at Haagen Dazs and all these different jobs, all that stuff.

[Josh Kesselman]

Stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

It wasn't until I was truly free when I was like with my store that was working like 20 hours a day when I could and these kind of things and I wasn't selling hours of my life, I was enjoying everything great. I was getting paid to do something I love doing. I'm still getting paid to do something I love doing. I would do what I'm doing right now if it was free. Dude, Josh, we're not paying anymore. Okay, I'll keep doing it. I love this though. You want me to keep doing it? Can I keep doing it though? Because I really like this. I'm really having a lot of fun. When I go to do my videos. It is so, so much fun for me. Sometimes there are a couple that I don't like doing, but most of them I've just. It's like, it's bout that energy comes at me, I start doing it. Next, you know, I'm giggling. Next thing I got my guys filming with me, laughing. Once we all start laughing and filming and the energy goes up, it's hilarious. And I leave that video when I'm done with it. I am high as a kite. I haven't smoked anything. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like, oh, my God. I get excited about, like, look. It's the new ethereal cone look. You can literally see right through it.

[Josh Kesselman]

That is cool, though, that. I know.

[Dope as Jos]

But then I get excited showing it to you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And, like, so, yes, I would do it for free if you weren't getting paid for this podcast.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I did nine years of everything for free.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's fun as hell making all those videos for free.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

We didn't get paid for how long. I know. We get monetized for ever, and you.

[Dope as Jos]

Like doing it, and that's why you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Were doing it fun the other. I did. Just because, like, if I'm gonna. I'll just film it. I was gonna do it anyway, and then I got to. Let's do a video. I mean, I'm not getting paid, but who gives a. It's. It's fun. And then I go back on those videos. Like, that was a. That day was fun. It's. I love looking back on, like, that. It's like my memory. I have a great memory, but now I can just watch my memory. Awesome. It's like watching clips from my own. Like, yeah. Pray. Like, yeah, I remember that day. I remember all that, actually. I just remember this view, though, you know? So I love making. I make videos. I'm not even monetized the. Yeah, I make videos for free. It's just fun as hell.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

The only thing I. I stopped doing, all I changed is I used to do a bunch of brand stuff all the time for free for all these people. Yeah. But I noticed when I got deleted, they wouldn't respond to anything I did anymore. And then right when I started getting my following back, they DM me, and I'm like, okay, it could have been. You just didn't see my page and you didn't see my message. Totally cool. The sixth time you did it. Oh, wow. Because every time you get deleted, but, oh, it's. It. It's over. Until they realize, like, oh, it's never stopping this.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's when I realized, like, oh, I thought you guys were my friends, man. You just wanted my damn platform. You suck. That's the only thing I changed. I'm very like this now. Now with certain brands. With brands I don't meet. I don't know. I'm like, but if I've met brands I do for free. Good. Like this guy was badass. I'll put them in my video right now. Do this all the time in Entertain. Like I said, I'm a fan first. I would do this for free. It is fun. It's always fun. That's it. If editing was never a thing, a lot of things would be so much easier to do. But we don't have to pay for it. It's free every day. But editing costs a lot of money. Filming is not free. And I wish it was. Dude. When I used to film my phone it was free. It just paid my bill every month. Now we're not. We're on all of these. It has to be though. I mean there's like a ways. How can I make it better? How can I make this paper better? Like for us. Like this episode was sick. How do you make the set nicer? How do we do this? How do you make that better? And that that's us. We're constantly doing. It's a fifth set change in a month.

[Marty]

People never notice that. We're so like excited excited about.

[Dope as Jos]

That's great. That's perfect.

[Josh Kesselman]

Dude had to even putting these cameras in the walls. Just being able to get them off the ground so you don't see them on the walls. Run the light through. How do we make it better? Hang this, hang that. It's just fun.

[Dope as Jos]

But that's what I'm looking for.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. I love that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I I.

[Dope as Jos]

We need more people like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I love that you're trying to make I'm a perfectionist mindset with what stuff I put out to people because I don't want people going this is what it's the water. You save your players. Exactly. I don't want that happening to me.

[Marty]

Are saying is you're going to do all this work to not do this.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. You're going to do all this work and effort to do it. Not good.

[Dope as Jos]

No. It has to be right.

[Josh Kesselman]

Do it shitty.

[Dope as Jos]

And I would say it has to be right to take the best flight.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. And that and you are everything you put out is an example of you. If you build a fence by who the built this fence? He did. I kind of respect him a little less.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's your work ethic. This guy. I wouldn't hire you. You know what I'm saying? Or you see like who the built this. Oh my God. Like that kid. That kid. I'm hiring him. It's a work at it shows every single edit. Who how many times you see a video who edited this video? Wow. You want to hire them immediately. Everything shows. Or if somebody rolls a joy who the world. It's with everything in life. With chefs, with movies, with cars, who built. It's everything. So when it comes to papers, I'm sure you see and go, go. I can do it better than that. And that's how you started. I can do this better. How can I make this better? How can I tweak this? But then again, you're never ending because you make your own. The fact that you tweak papers after you put them out is wild because you think it's perfect, and then you're like, I've been smoking it for a year.

[Dope as Jos]

How can I make it better? Yeah. As soon as it's released, it's always vans or vans.

[Josh Kesselman]

You have a different work ethic than me. I'm like, they're perfect as it is. I think gets done be done.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, the difference is with the papers, I mean. Yeah. One thing is the strains are always changing.

[Josh Kesselman]

You think the strains change the papers?

[Dope as Jos]

No, the strains. People. People are smoking.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm saying, do you think strains. Do you put certain strains.

[Dope as Jos]

A certain. Yeah, pair them.

[Josh Kesselman]

What?

[Dope as Jos]

I pair different strains of. Of smoking.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like how.

[Dope as Jos]

What.

[Josh Kesselman]

What would you pair? You're in a jack.

[Dope as Jos]

A jack.

[Josh Kesselman]

Super. Would you go a thin paper or something so you could taste the terps more?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, probably. I'm probably gonna go with the raw black on jack back. Yeah, it's rhymes.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why it's like OG go classic.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. OG definitely is a classic.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because why? Why?

[Dope as Jos]

Kind of designed raw classic. Like basically four OGs. And I've tweaked it over the years to make it even better for that. Very slight tweaks, but always try to tweak it. That's so crazy.

[Josh Kesselman]

You can always do difference. That's crazy. Yeah, you can tell the difference between each paper.

[Dope as Jos]

Skew. Yeah, I could also. I could tell batches there. I could tell differences if you want. From 10 years ago, I smoke it and I could tell it's from 10 years ago. I've definitely, definitely gotten better. Definitely gotten better. Every year we're getting better. Like, and. And the cool thing is I hope it never stops. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Like the fact that. Wait. Pairing papers.

[Dope as Jos]

Pair your paper to your weed.

[Josh Kesselman]

You didn't even know that.

[Dope as Jos]

I just assume that people know that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Never have I heard this in my life.

[Dope as Jos]

It's like, why, like those people, those snobs, you know, with the wine and cheese.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's the Same thing with papers and weed. You want to pair the particular paper to a certain weed.

[Josh Kesselman]

But paper doesn't taste like anything.

[Dope as Jos]

It does. It has a very slight nuanced taste. And depending on the moisture content of your weed or how sticky it is, you're going to want to roll in different papers to see how it performs best. I'm sorry for talking so.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh. So I notice my dry nugs will slide right out of a classic.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Such as life.

[Josh Kesselman]

But a. A thinner paper might catch it better.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, you can always crumble if it's really. Side note, you can crumble. You know, you come over the paper, pull back out. Out. Or you can roll a little tighter if you have to. Yeah. Dry is bane of my existence because I live in Arizona.

[Josh Kesselman]

It falls right out of my. Damn.

[Dope as Jos]

It can happen. It can happen.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. It's just the dry weed. Any. Anything I roll and it could be a blood, it's gonna fall out. So is there. What would I use for dry. Dry ass weed that I'm like, I have to smoke. It's all I have. Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Is it still a higher tea?

[Josh Kesselman]

Dry to where you're like, oh, fish food. You're like, it's kind of, you know, where it gets kind of flaky.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Dry to where you do this and it breaks up.

[Dope as Jos]

I hate when that happens.

[Josh Kesselman]

But like, say I'm in another country. I'm like, this is the only nug I got. What am I picking?

[Dope as Jos]

I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go thicker. So I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go more towards a raw classic. I'm definitely not wanting to go thin because I'm gonna need the chart to kind of get that stuff really burning.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's so you. So you want it to be thicker for. For what was the purpose of thicker with dry?

[Dope as Jos]

The thicker the paper, the more energy the paper has. If every. All everything else being equal.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

In my understanding. So the thicker the paper as we have this more energy on the outside, that's going to send more energy at your weed and kisly burn it more. So especially if my weed is wetter, I want a thicker paper. If my weed is dry as I still want to use a thicker paper. But you can go thin in theory. But I'm worried that if I go thin, it's not going to match. Right. Because the weed's going to burn too easily. I'm scared I'm going to experience a run.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

If I. If I go thin on and a.

[Josh Kesselman]

Run is caused by not being enough.

[Dope as Jos]

Numerous factors right there.

[Josh Kesselman]

Correct.

[Dope as Jos]

There's numerous factors. So many different ways. The number one thing I see for runs that I just happen to witness on people is the dude who lights underneath, not me. I see it so often where it's supposed to be. You light it and you bring it to it. That's. Yeah, that's how you smoke, right? That's. That's what I've been taught is the best way. But I see too many people. It's underneath, and they. It's a lot of blood.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a lot of blood, you know, because it's. You have to light a blood like that to get it. Like. I think it's a lot of blunt smokers.

[Dope as Jos]

Why they do that still. That's where I see the run. Cuz now you started burning on one side. Now my paper can try its best to recover. And it will try. It will really try. But there's only so much it can do.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is how I light him. Tell me if I'm wrong. I light him like this. And then I.

[Dope as Jos]

That's beautiful.

[Josh Kesselman]

Try to go in a circle, but as soon as the top starts to catch fire, Josh. I blow in and.

[Dope as Jos]

Wow, you're doing it. Yeah. You're actually feeding the ember.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, okay. Yeah. So I noticed that's when it lights like a cigar.

[Dope as Jos]

And you can watch it literally red. You can. You can see. Oh, I missed a spot there.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Blow towards that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Exactly.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

And it'll take the top right off.

[Dope as Jos]

That's like Perfect. Seal level 100.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's how I light them.

[Dope as Jos]

There's like a handful of us in the world that do that kind of. It works perfect. It does.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. That's just over time. Yeah. Over time. I was just like, I think this works best because I noticed the runs when I'm. When I'm doing this, I catch. Sometimes I'll just catch it underneath.

[Dope as Jos]

Too much power hitting causes runs like crazy.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've recently found that out because I power hit everything. I don't. I know, I know. But everybody. Because I smoke donuts like, you're ruining it. No, I'm not. Okay, Yeah, I guess I am ruining it. I've just found out less than two weeks ago.

[Dope as Jos]

Power hitting is definitely a party foul. It's supposed to be puff, puff, pause, and then pass. Then you could pass or take another puff. But it isn't. It's not. It's not puff, puff, puff. It's puff, puff, pause. Watch. Let the ember catch up. Let us do Its thing let everything kind of create balance. And then puff, puff.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm at like six puffs and then I hold my.

[Dope as Jos]

No. Okay. So you could do any experiment on some of my machines and the sucking things, you know like the smoke throwers and all that kind of stuff. You can put a joint in there and see it. It's going to go down one side. Cuz it's not meant to do that. It's meant to. To the ember. Never had a chance to do its thing. The paper never had a chance. It's just going running down one side.

[Josh Kesselman]

Makes sense.

[Dope as Jos]

If you go. You can't really smoke a joint too slow unless it goes out. You can't really do it too slow, but you can go too fast.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. With everything in life, man, I. Okay, I've been ruining my joints. I'll admit that. I wreck them. I will say that all the hash holes I'm Every time I smoke with. Not us. They're like, dude, chill out. My. But I'm trying to. I should just smoke my own.

[Dope as Jos]

So if you're just. If your weed is perfect, if it's got the right humidity level, it's a really nice cured strain. It's reasonably perfect. Then you really want to switch to thin in my experience. Oh yeah. You want to go as thin as you possibly can.

[Josh Kesselman]

I go raw blacks on everything.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Not the ethereal yet.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no, that too. But that's the box I took hold.

[Dope as Jos]

Are you going raw black wide or raw black wide?

[Josh Kesselman]

Everything's okay.

[Dope as Jos]

I've got a new somewhere around here. I don't know, probably over there. Yes. New ethereal wide. You got to try it. This is for me now on that one. That's the paper where I'm upset that it was. Now that heat's on and it's drier, the paper's curling more than I want it to. And this is causing me to really target solving the curling problem once and for all.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's not really curling on me.

[Dope as Jos]

No more than I wanted to. I'm like, okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, you want it flat?

[Dope as Jos]

Flat, yeah. The paper and the gum. So I'm really working on.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh.

[Dope as Jos]

On solving the curling more than I've. I've realistically more than I've ever worked on it before. I'm working on it now. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna beat it. I'm gonna beat it. Without adding things I don't want to add.

[Marty]

Is it because of the packaging? How's it at?

[Dope as Jos]

Like, oh, that's the fold.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

So nuances, you know, I, like, literally, I'm trying to, like, soften my folds so that when you pull out a paper fold, line here is not as folded.

[Josh Kesselman]

So it stays like this. Marty.

[Dope as Jos]

So it can stay more flat like this.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's just a creased. Eric.

[Dope as Jos]

Because it's creased nuts. As I sit there and I'm teaching people that. Oh, that your folds too sharp.

[Marty]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

They're like, what? Like, is it in the factory? Like, no, the fold too sharp. I don't think anyone has ever said to someone on a rolling paper, sorry, your folds too sharp. But for me, it is because I want to make it. I want to be able to go like that and smooth it out, have it be soft. I don't want the gum to curl too much. And lately. And yet I'm trying to keep it as natural as I can because there's. I can add thing. I can. I can totally get rid of the curl easily with. With certain chemicals that I'm trying really hard not to add because I don't want to smoke them. I smoke the shit every day.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yep.

[Dope as Jos]

So, like. Okay, so now you have an Ethereal wide there. And that's the real deal. Ethereal. Let's take a. See if you can compare this to it that we're talking about. That's a prototype of Ethereal. We call it V2, which I'm looking to do for maybe next year, but I have to do. I have to beta it and I have to give it to you and see how. What you think of it. You can feel the difference in your hands. If you feel both papers.

[Josh Kesselman]

This one feels more slick. Why?

[Dope as Jos]

I can't tell you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, okay. Got you. Gotcha, gotcha. But I'm right.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. That's all I want to know, man. Okay. I would never notice.

[Dope as Jos]

So in these packs, I'm going to give you. And these are the betas, the first half of the pack. And there's a separator sheet in there is the beta for ethereal. 20, 26v2 ethereal. So you're gonna. I'd like you to try that. When you hit the separator sheet, it switches to ethereal current. Ethereal. And you might like the. For all I know because I'm. I'm. I make it for myself. Yes. But I'm making this for. For you. You know, So I need feedback to find out if I'm going in the right direction. If I went in the wrong direction, it's entirely possible that I got it wrong. I need the Information to find out. Am I. Am I getting better here? This. Do you like it better? Does everyone like it better? Because ethereal is like the hardest one I've ever had to really work with.

[Josh Kesselman]

Like this.

[Dope as Jos]

It's hard and it's.

[Josh Kesselman]

Honestly, this is the raw classic with both of them. That's how much thinner this is.

[Dope as Jos]

It seems like it doesn't.

[Josh Kesselman]

It does, dude. Yeah. Wow. I would have never noticed that. I. I need to passionate.

[Dope as Jos]

You meet people and you. And I wish, like, when some. Can I go on one little rant?

[Josh Kesselman]

Go for it.

[Dope as Jos]

When people come up with their own brand on something, what I look for is for them to tell me why it's better. And when they don't, when they say these one. These certain words, I then know that it's bull. There's certain things that I watch people say. I know what it is. And I watched Diddy say it on his deleon tequila. And the minute he said, I was like, oh, it's this. I always wanted my own insert product name. Oh, when you can't sit there and say I wanted to. Here's how I made the paper special. I went to the source of and I did. I did this and I did that, and I changed the way the fibers are interlaid. And you know what? I watermarked it using the special technique that was developed over. And then I used a gum and I made the gum the certain way and I. I put it up here and I have this magical. And I did all this. They could tell me all that. I'm like, hell, yeah. If Diddy could tell me. Diddy, if. So, if he could have told us why his tequila was special. Tell me, Diddy. Tell me how you went down there and you. You selected the agave yourself. You found this one rare strain of agave that no one had ever made a tequila from before. And that's what makes your special. And you found it and made it this particular flavor. And that's why this is the best tequila in the world.

[Josh Kesselman]

Tell me that.

[Dope as Jos]

That story, and I'll buy it. If you tell me it's because you always wanted your own, then I'm going to say, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

No.

[Dope as Jos]

You just put your name on something that already existed. You're not elevating us. You're not getting us all higher, man. I'm looking for you to tell me why it's the best that ever existed in the history of humanity. That's how we all get higher together. And when someone tells me and they can't tell me the Story. When I can look up in the face and ask them one question, and they look at me, like, with a dumb look of, oh, I won't tell you what that question is. It has to do with papers. I can just look at these guys. When I see them with their own brands, they come up to me, hey, I made this paper. I'm like, okay. And then I ask them one question, and they always look at me, like, when they can't answer that question, always like, oh, so you put your name on something. Did my friend Danny make it? Was it made or something from. From. From China? Or is it who. Who made this? Really? Which paper is it?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I see.

[Dope as Jos]

He's a good dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

They always try to sell the same.

[Dope as Jos]

Same stuff with a different name on it. I'm like, come on, man. Tell me how it's special. Tell me how it's unique. I want to learn from you so I can make my stuff better. I'm not going to copy you, I swear. But if you. If you did something really amazing, that's going to inspire the. Out of me. Do something even more amazing. Holy, dude, Come on. Blow my mind. Blow my mind. Please, please. And inevitably, it's.

[Josh Kesselman]

I think that works with most things if you're. If there's a history with it, because, like, I'm gonna be the other side. I didn't make clothes better. Like, I didn't make T shirts and reinvent them. You know what I'm saying? I just made that. I like that I think is sick.

[Dope as Jos]

You didn't just also put your name on a black T shirt and say, it's special because it says Yola on it?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no.

[Dope as Jos]

You made cool prints.

[Josh Kesselman]

Exactly. Do that.

[Dope as Jos]

Your stuff's unique as can be.

[Josh Kesselman]

But you see, what I mean from my perspective is, like, somebody's out there. Like, so you're saying I should never do it if I can't make it better?

[Dope as Jos]

Because you did make it better.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I'm saying other people are, like, watching and say somebody's like, well, I kind of wanted to make my own tequila, but if I can't make it better, I shouldn't make. But then again, it's like.

[Dope as Jos]

What I'm saying is you don't just put your name a hundred percent.

[Josh Kesselman]

But I'm trying to say for people out there, they might be like, so I shouldn't do it? Like, no, no, you should do it. It's.

[Dope as Jos]

You just make it.

[Josh Kesselman]

You make it cooler. Or can you make it to where you think, like, now, this is why I Like, doing this.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because I think some people, like. Like, I'm not a scientist. I can't make it cooler, but I love it, then I understand. Like, you know, some people release their own ipa. It's like, you're not a scientist. You just bring your own love that. I. I get it. Like, he's making it, but he's not. Like, he made it better than the competition. That's what I meant. Like, if you can't outdo it, you shouldn't just not do it. If you're passionate for it, go for it. But if you can't, like, you're saying if you met somebody's like, well, I didn't make it better, but I love this. I've been doing this for so long. I wanted to do this, this, this, this.

[Dope as Jos]

I disagree. I think if they made it themselves, they already made it better. If that dude made an ipa, even if it tastes.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, you're talking about white labeling. Yeah. Oh, I thought you meant in general. I'm like, damn, that's almost impossible.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I'm talking about.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, my God, this makes way more sense. Yeah, sorry. You're talking about you literally. My friend Danny made this for now. I get what you mean by that. Oh, you just put your daddy makes.

[Dope as Jos]

Good, by the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

But you. I get what you mean now. I thought you meant if you can't. Can't invent it or make it and reinvent it, don't do it. I thought you meant my personal preference.

[Dope as Jos]

My personal.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, you're talking about when you're slapping. I get it now.

[Dope as Jos]

Even if it's small, make it better. Try to find some way to make it and. Or at least make it unique so that. So that somebody out there will. Maybe they will like that thing better. Change your size, change your print, change something on it more than enough where it's. It's unique.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

Apple cider tequila. You know what I mean? You make something like that, you just change the world. Maybe not in the grandest way possible, but you made something that had never, as far as I know, existed before. And you elevated us by doing that. I would love to try apple cider tequila. Wouldn't you? Sounds weird, but it might sound crazy. I'd love to try that. But if you just instead put your name on that bottle of tequila that's made by somebody else that is actually in the same tequila as five other tequilas.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Then I'm like, no, dude, no, no, no, no, no, no. Apple cider tequila, make me lemon tequila, make me tequila from some agave plant that never existed before. Make me something special that changes the marketplace.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I agree with you. That's why I didn't put the weed out, because, well, I mean, I had it ready to go. I'm like, so three other companies come here to buy weed. I'm just. I just got it.

[Dope as Jos]

Couldn't make you a specialist.

[Josh Kesselman]

What? No. Yes, that is true. It's just so everyone has access to this bit. Like. Like, I'm gonna wait on this. It was more like. It was like three years ago. It made me feel like I'm just another one of your.

[Dope as Jos]

I disagree. You should have done it.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no, I'm talking about special weed. It was special, like our strain. Yeah, but I have to start and work with them. Go. We have this, but. Oh, it's a fire strain. Yeah, but also they call it this. If they call it.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's like. Oh, then it's my. I'm not. I don't have proprietary.

[Dope as Jos]

I prefer.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't like that.

[Dope as Jos]

That it was. That it was yours.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, for sure. Like, I have friends with straight. It's just. Or it made me feel like. So if I don't have enough, I. I can get this. It's fire. But also they call it that. And they call it that. You're selling it to four other brands. So I have the same weed they have in a different jar with a different name.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why I'm like, I'm not. I don't have enough space for. You don't have enough space.

[Dope as Jos]

What if you. What if you change in other ways? So all four of you guys have the same exact cannabis. Okay, start off with that. However, you take yours and you package it in a better way. Maybe it remains fresher. You find it. You find a container. Some. You notice those guys are all doing mylars. You change it to a particular type of glass jar with a pressure release valve on top. You start adding something to keep it humidified. You do an ultraviolet protective glass on it to save it better. You've changed it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I get what you're saying, but.

[Dope as Jos]

So you didn't have to change the weed. You have to just change the way it was.

[Josh Kesselman]

It just made me feel like. It made me feel like I'm white labeling the show. No, it's just. Just with that particular facility. That's why I was working with him. Like, hey, what the. Let's just wait. I'll find. I'll. I'll do something else. I'll find somebody that could do what I want because I would like to be like yo, if I'm around I'll. If I need it, I might get one of your strains. But I don't. I want to go somewhere like we're not driving for six months because we need to grow still two times. Make sure we like this. Try this new string. You know what I'm saying? Because if I'm come out like you said. So you just put your name on it.

[Dope as Jos]

No, you did.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's how I would feel like. So you're a wee guy that just. Just white labeled some weed.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh no. You could have changed it.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the only reason I didn't do.

[Dope as Jos]

It the same way Thomas. You could have changed the container in order to make it better storage for people. You could have improved it in some ancillary.

[Josh Kesselman]

I get and I agree with you. I just felt like what you said. So tell me why it's different.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Different package. Like I smoke in the package. So with the weed. Some people get pissed. That's why I didn't do it. That's all.

[Dope as Jos]

Not different package. But you could explain I put it in this particular jar. Oh it fresher 100%. And here's what can still do it. I'll give you examples, small ways of improving things. It doesn't have to be a big improvement. I'm sorry. You don't have to recreate the wheel literally because I might not. That might not go so well for you. Talking about the. The Tesla freaking. My Tesla has that steering wheel. I don't like it. The. It's not a steering wheel. It's yolk. It's a yolk. I don't like the yolk. It's this thing. Yeah. Instead of a steering wheel.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't think I've ever paid attention.

[Dope as Jos]

Enough in a Tesla have this yoke and it's.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's.

[Dope as Jos]

I believe so it didn't work. It's okay. It's just not for me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

I really. I prefer not to try to recreate the wheel literally. But if. If you even take an existing rolling paper put it to back to this thing. You take an existing paper that already exists that has people are selling under five different brands and you change it in some smaller way to make the experience different the consumer. Not just putting a different name on it though. I mean in a way if maybe let's say you cut it to a slightly different size in a way where maybe you put more sheets in the booklet to give people a value Even those small changes is a change better than you going on there and saying, I always wanted my own. So if. If you were to ask the. We ask the question of how is it better? What's special? You could literally look the person in the face and say, well, I put more sheets in the booklet, yet it's the same price, so people get a better value. That's not. That's not the greatest change in the world, man. It's not my style. But it's still something where you have an answer.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Other than, yo, this is the greatest because I said it's the greatest. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the greatest because of. Come on, tell me how you outlay, how you worked with the fibers. Tell me something incredible.

[Josh Kesselman]

Every aspect, aspect of every business of.

[Dope as Jos]

Anything that's ever been some way to blow my mind. I know.

[Josh Kesselman]

Anything, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

Anything.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, it's a good question. Why is it better or why is it different? I think not better. Why is it different? I think is a. A better way because, like, I can't, like, why is my shirt right here? It's the same shirt. You can wear it the same way. Design's fun. Makes paper.

[Dope as Jos]

This specific questions, this is different.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, there's so many variants.

[Dope as Jos]

Some very specific questions I like to do is ask them one.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is.

[Dope as Jos]

No one's been able to answer me yet.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, yeah, you're. No one's gonna. No one. Unless you ask yourself, like, this is. This is a whole different.

[Dope as Jos]

Someday there'll be somebody and hopefully they'll turn into my friend.

[Josh Kesselman]

Someday they will. And I don't know where the it's gonna be from. We'll find out.

[Marty]

They should have you sit down with chat GPT and just like, oh, I like that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Give us.

[Dope as Jos]

It's got to be.

[Marty]

But yeah, yeah, that's kind of what this is like, getting all that knowledge out.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, so one last thing on that. Let's say you saw everyone was making pre rolls and not everyone was doing it in a way that you liked. You could even use the same material and the same paper and yet pack it and grind it in a slightly different way to improve the experience for the consumer.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

There's ways like that that I've found. And then when I try to teach it to certain people, they won't listen to me. And I'm looking at them like, you know which experience I have, right? And I'm telling you, I don't like the way you're packing that cone. I only show you why And I'll show them how it's soft at the tip, how it's over there. I'll show them how the first quarter of the joint burns. Like. Yeah, they dropped weights. I know what they're doing, and maybe this is me. I believe. God, that's a change with terminology. I believe they're using something like a knockbox. And they're dropping pencils on top, jumps, bounces your comb like this. And in order to really pack it more, they're putting, like, pencils or weights of some kind on top. So then it goes.

[Josh Kesselman]

So it impacted at the end at the top.

[Dope as Jos]

You know what I want packed down there.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Not up there, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

And then your joint flops, right?

[Dope as Jos]

And I can either I can get you a better machine that won't do that, or I can even teach you how to use this one in a different. A different way to fix that problem. I can teach you if. You know. We're fine, man. We're fine. Like, really, you don't want advice from me? Like, I. I really can teach you, dude. Like, I. I'll help you for free. We're good, man. We're good. Like, really? Because now you make me want to go into the damn joint business with your same weed and the same paper, with different machines that we created that you just won't listen to me to give people a better smoking joint. If you're going to keep doing this, this, you're gonna force me to do it, dude. So don't be a dick. But lately they've been forcing me, and I'm probably gonna end up in the damn cannabis space. Yeah. Listen to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Are you just making the machine?

[Dope as Jos]

I've got. I've got great machines. We tell everyone. We make these ones that help that fill cones. I've got a great grinder that I freaking love that grinds the same way you and I grind.

[Josh Kesselman]

How do you single pass the flour mill style of grinder?

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. It's good. It needs to be tweaked.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. I'll tell you the things, as a consumer that has no knowledge of what needs to be tweaked.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes.

[Josh Kesselman]

I find it gives me a little more fluff, and I kind of like a little fluff.

[Dope as Jos]

Good.

[Josh Kesselman]

Because I don't like it. Oranges people love.

[Dope as Jos]

I like the flower mills, but there's a. There's a. An issue that some of my friends, like, Drew, really don't like them. Some of the guys like proper doinks. They really don't like them. They talk at least what they Tell me. And I know why. I understand the problem. They show me the problem. I get the problem and I know how to solve the problem.

[Josh Kesselman]

I haven't found the problem.

[Dope as Jos]

Good.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've only used it for two weeks.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

So solidly like oh this works pretty good. It's. It shocked me that it worked.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know like this.

[Dope as Jos]

You don't remember what it reminds me of the magic flight box grinder. Did you ever see that? Do you ever have a magical flight box?

[Josh Kesselman]

No.

[Dope as Jos]

Magical fly box was that wooden vape going back in the day. Dick. Think about it. It was this wooden vape that you basically used almost like a lighter on. On.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

And it vaped. It was like early like almost combustion vape called a magic flight box if I remember with a lighter and. But the thing I remember about it the most was you had to turn your weed into a powder.

[Josh Kesselman]

So use it.

[Dope as Jos]

Right. So it had a pusher grinder which looks almost the same as a flower mill. As flower mill push down. Similar pattern or some kind of pattern on top the blade. Stainless steel blade. You push down. It was cool thing about it was it was wood and stainless steel. So it's a very simple device which is why I loved it. And. But it made powdery weed because that's what the magical flight box needed. And yeah. It's a really cool style of grinder. I call it a pusher. It doesn't just because you push. Yeah. And you're pushing slice. It isn't really grinding. I guess it's milling.

[Josh Kesselman]

Milling. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

But there's one. There's a couple little nuances that could be changed on that thing to make it where it's like perfect better because.

[Josh Kesselman]

I really like it and I. I love our grinder. I like the flower meal too. I tell do I. I just like using other And I didn't realize something I don't like.

[Dope as Jos]

But I don't want to tell you what.

[Josh Kesselman]

No. No worries. Tell me later. I kind of need to know because I haven't found what I didn't like yet. I just want to know your opinion because it matters the grind really.

[Dope as Jos]

It really does. So I. I know what the problem is. I already started making some ones that are don't have sick. Yeah. I couldn't resist.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm obsessed with that. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Of course. So you'll be in Spain tinkering with that sounds pretty much the moral story is work as hard as you can to be nice and just go live wherever you want to live. Go live Like Belle's dad and Beauty and the Beast.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, what makes you happy? Because I. I'm. I'm. I try to move towards happiness, like I told you. Now I live on this cute little ranch with a. With my rescue horse and not getting a whole bunch of quail. I call it. I call it the Paradise Ranch of rescues. It is not a formal 501C3 rescue ranch, whatever that is. It's my house.

[Josh Kesselman]

Let's call it that.

[Dope as Jos]

Because I save all these quail, and in the spring, when I find the eggs that they abandon different places because sometimes they just get chased off. And I save the eggs and I hatch them in a little hatcher, and then I decide if I can keep them or I got to bring them over to the. To an actual sanctuary, like our animal sanctuary, that can raise them with. They have the stuff to feed them and things that I don't have. And then I ask them, can I have them back when they're raised? No, we can't tag them. But I try to. We. This year, I've got so many freaking quail because I found ways to protect the quail. I'm sorry, we're clearly off topic, But I'll tell you, I found that if I hang these shiny things around the property, they will leave. No, they leave, but it keeps. The hawks were coming down, and I was arguing. Fighting with hawks all the time. Keep the hawks from eating my quail. They hate the hawks, hate the shiny stuff. And then I've got a. I've got a donkey. The donkey will attack the coyotes that come from my quail. Real. He ain't playing. Donkeys are guard animals, like, for real.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't know that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. You see donkey, like, the sorry donkey sees coyote. Beeline for coyote. Coyote knows what's up. Coyote ain't gonna make it. Pack of coyotes ain't gonna make it. Donkey gonna get rid of all of them. They've over the fence, gone like they never existed. Bobcats, same thing. Bobcat backed, all tough. Till donkey starts walking over to it. Then it knows, yeah, no, he's gonna kill me. And gone. So they. The local wildlife has learned stay away from this one particular area. So now the quail know it, too. So I got a lot of quail, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

They know.

[Dope as Jos]

It's.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's safe.

[Dope as Jos]

It's safe.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's base.

[Dope as Jos]

It's their sanctuary. It's really cute. They're so funky. They got little plumes on their heads. Okay, so the point of this is not about quail or donkey. During this kind of. The point of it is I learned what was making me happy. I had. Trying to think of how to put this in a way. I had the fancy shit. I had a Ferrari. Remember, I had a vegan Ferrari. I had a Bentley. And the stuff really wasn't making me happy. In fact, it was making me kind of unhappy. The maintenance on it, the way that people looked at me was not. It wasn't making them happy. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Isn't that odd? I love looking at it like, God, I love this car. It's so fun.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

So cool to look at. They're like. Like, damn, did I do.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The hate. I like making people happy. And so I also don't want to get arrested. So the Ferrari, I hooked too many close calls. The. That kind of stuff, I. I just realized it wasn't making me happy. So I let that fancy go. I started driving my Prius more. Eventually, I got a Tesla because of Autopilot. Oh, thank God for that, dude. Oh, you don't use it as your primary. You don't close your eyes or anything. But having that backup system for me, having it can keep me straight in the lines, dude, there's a cop behind me. He's deciding to follow me on the highway. My car is doing the speed limit directly in the center lane. You ain't writing. You're not pretending that I was weaving. You're not saying some like that. And I got it on camera. So when you say that I was doing something I wasn't doing, it's all right there, bro.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a pretty safe car, actually.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm just gonna sit here doing the speed limit until you finally go up and go pick on somebody else. That's pretty nice for that.

[Josh Kesselman]

It is cool, actually. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Sorry.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't trust. I don't trust Skynet.

[Dope as Jos]

No, of course don't trust Skynet. But, dude, he's behind you. He's right there following you home.

[Josh Kesselman]

Josh is every high paranoid person ever. He's right behind me. Get a Tesla.

[Dope as Jos]

I sit there, man. Car is an autopilot. It's doing maybe two miles an hour, the speed limit in the center lanes, and I'm going straight, and I ain't changing lanes. I ain't doing nothing until homeboy decides to go after somebody else. Go right. Go left. You're getting annoyed with me. You done with me yet? Did I bore you yet? Did I bore you? You ready to go pick on somebody else? Go. Because one thing about Josh, he don't like Cops. He really doesn't like cops. Like, some people say they don't like.

[Marty]

Cops, but, like, I actually don't like that.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't want to interact with them. I really don't want to interact with them. Like, we're on different pages of life. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. I find when I interact with them, it's always goes back to. To, are you going to be mean?

[Dope as Jos]

I know. Are you going to be that guy?

[Josh Kesselman]

That's how I feel with everybody. Everybody might be a cop to me. Like, don't be rude to me. You'll be cool.

[Dope as Jos]

But the fireman dude, I'll give you a hug.

[Josh Kesselman]

Isn't that wild?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Put out fires. You saved my life.

[Dope as Jos]

You're my friend.

[Josh Kesselman]

But also cosplay. One time, this cop saved me from some guy with a knife. Like, okay, you're a lucky one, man, because everybody doesn't have that story. And it's sad because when I was a cop, that was the coolest thing. Like, you want to be a cop? Cops and robbers. Now it's like, if you want to get canceled, that sucks.

[Dope as Jos]

You want to go fight me? You want to go arrest me for nothing? Whose life am I going to run today? Do you have, like, a checklist?

[Josh Kesselman]

Thank God for cameras.

[Dope as Jos]

Do I look like someone who pissed you off in high school? And no one?

[Josh Kesselman]

I would say no one. You don't fit description of any.

[Dope as Jos]

No. Like, I might look like somebody who pissed off in high school. And I was like, oh, here we go. This is gonna suck, isn't it?

[Josh Kesselman]

I went to school, Eddie Van Halen.

[Dope as Jos]

And I've had some very negative experiences with them. Extremely negative. And I don't want to interact with them anymore. I really don't.

[Josh Kesselman]

There's no point if you don't want to do something. No, no, no free will.

[Dope as Jos]

I don't know what the point of all that was.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's called a rant. And we all have been doing it for as long as we've been alive, whether it's in your head or talking to the teacher.

[Dope as Jos]

So, okay, here's my point. I remember it a little bit now. Happiness. I start thinking about the things that make me happy more, and I try to do more of that. Dude, I can give you. I can go on a rant again. But it was like, you know, I'm really happy with my horse. You know, that donkey's really funny, dude. He's so cute. He's got these giant ears, and it's ridiculous, but he's really makes me Happy. The little quails with their little plumes and they're so goddamn cute to make the noises. Like the cutest noise I've ever heard. They really make me happy. That Prius, that really made me happy as can be. He really did. It's just so fun. You don't get to care about it one bit. Here I'm in my Prius. This is great. You know what I mean? I pull up, no one's staring at me. No one's giving me the evil eye. I don't got to worry about parking small. It's easy. Never, almost never had to get gas. It was great. Eventually I got the plug in version. I've had like six Priuses. Eventually I got the plug in version. I almost never had to get gas. These electric cars, now I never have to get gas. It's just these. I try to do things more than make me happy. I really try to go towards it. So before I do something, before I buy something, before, it's like I try to think, is that going to make me happier or am I going to regret this later? Am I going to wish I hadn't done this?

[Josh Kesselman]

The story of everything. Am I gonna regret this? Everything I've ever done, Jumping off the bed or jumping off a couch. Like, am I gonna regret this? I'm just gonna step down. Everything I do is. That's the question. Well, like. Well, I'm not gonna be mad.

[Dope as Jos]

Am I gonna wish I had nothing?

[Josh Kesselman]

I wish I had to do this. Yeah. Every time I merge, like, I look again, I'm gonna be pissed in about 30 seconds if I don't look. So I get a story of life. Am I going to be mad if I do this? That's the question.

[Dope as Jos]

That's.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the. The title of this episode. Gonna be mad.

[Dope as Jos]

Try to focus your decisions on moving towards happiness.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like it.

[Marty]

It's kind of like the same.

[Josh Kesselman]

My back.

[Dope as Jos]

I'll be happy as that tomorrow. I'm trying to move towards happiness. You know that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I get it. Josh, real quick, before we leave, I don't think I've ever asked you, what's your three favorite movies?

[Dope as Jos]

Vanishing Point would be up on the list.

[Josh Kesselman]

Why does that sound familiar? No, no. What does that sound familiar?

[Dope as Jos]

I've asked me this before. Dude, who's in this? Oh, no one's in it that I know of. Like. Like no actor or something. A badass car movie. Like one of the greatest car movies of all time. It's.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is in the 70s.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, yeah. 70s, yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. It's my Uncle John.

[Dope as Jos]

He's diving like it's my Uncle John.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's what.

[Dope as Jos]

I loved it too. Yeah, the car guys. Wet dream. That movie's amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

I was like Vanishing Point. No, I know the name of that movie I like. Is there a brown car? No, it's white. Oh, it's. It's like a 40 minute chase at the end. Yeah, yeah. A lot. And just that scene because my uncle always puts it on.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is this what they based the back? The end of a Quentin Tarantino movie?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it was based on that.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right, all right. I knew it.

[Dope as Jos]

Great.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. Besides that. Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

I might want to watch something that's going to just make me laugh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

You know what I mean? And especially because we were just talking about the other day, you know, I mean, I might do it.

[Josh Kesselman]

What?

[Dope as Jos]

I might do Predator. I might do it. I might just do it just to laugh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Predator 1.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. Original OG Predator. Nothing else.

[Josh Kesselman]

Wait, that action movie is a comedy to you? I love it. It's so goofy. Let's just.

[Dope as Jos]

All the lines, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

Collectively can we say that Jesse Ventura is a badass in that movie. Carrying a 900 pound machine gun.

[Dope as Jos]

It bleeds. We could kill it. Dude, the way he said it all the line. Come on. That was awesome. The laughing, laughing alien creature at the.

[Josh Kesselman]

Ugly, ugly son of a. God. I like Predator 1 so much better. 2. Not for me.

[Dope as Jos]

All right.

[Josh Kesselman]

Predator 1 3.

[Dope as Jos]

What am I gonna. I don't want to watch Forrest Gump again. I love that movie.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm over it. I only watch it on Flights. I don't want to only watch On Flight. Used to be my favorite movie and now I'm done with it.

[Dope as Jos]

Now I gotta watch another movie of all time. One more.

[Josh Kesselman]

One more movie.

[Dope as Jos]

But I gotta say carefully, there's so many movies. I want to do it right. I want to do something that's gonna make me. You. I want. I want to tell you something that's going to make you laugh. You ready? You know, because it's just going to make me laugh.

[Josh Kesselman]

What movie?

[Dope as Jos]

Mean Girls.

[Josh Kesselman]

Mean Girls, a great movie I watch on the flights.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay, there we go, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

Watch almost every flight.

[Dope as Jos]

I was scared to say hell.

[Josh Kesselman]

Bullet Train, Mean Girls Force Come. I watch this. It's always on United. I watch it all the time. Mean Girl's a great movie. It's funny. It's great movie. The line Family man, when she fake get hit by a bus. It's so damn funny.

[Marty]

Atlanta.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it is.

[Dope as Jos]

What is the name of the bar from Sweden the bar from Sweden. Oh, just burns off those carbs.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, no.

[Dope as Jos]

Melt away.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, no. Ask through that wall. Ask Rosie. That's one of her favorite movies. I know this. Yeah, Coach. Coach used to give this to him. He used to put on weight like crazy. And she just started screaming. I can tell you the. Oh, is Rosie here? Get her real quick. Well, we'll come back. We'll come back.

[Dope as Jos]

We'll come back.

[Josh Kesselman]

She's gonna go.

[Dope as Jos]

Yes, she will.

[Josh Kesselman]

We watch it so much that I should know that. You ever seen Mean Girls? No. I knew it. Damn it. All right, well, anyway, dude, I love stoner movies too.

[Dope as Jos]

Dude, I love stoners.

[Josh Kesselman]

What's the best one of all time? But we. Let's just take Cheech and Chongs off and just grandfather them. Yeah. What's the name of the protein or the weight gain bar for me, girls? That she takes, that she gives her. Wait, South Africa. No, there's a bars from Sweden. You're right.

[Dope as Jos]

Bars in Sweden.

[Josh Kesselman]

That. That Regina George eats. And he gets hella fat. See, I knew it. She didn't go. I don't remember. I can't remember the name.

[Dope as Jos]

I will Google it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Right? You know the name.

[Dope as Jos]

I know the name.

[Josh Kesselman]

What is the name?

[Dope as Jos]

No. Say it. Thank you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes. Not creatine.

[Dope as Jos]

This awesome. Just burns the.

[Josh Kesselman]

You just. Yeah, the fat melts right off.

[Dope as Jos]

First you get bigger.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, that's how they work. You get really big and then you get small. I love that the episode ended with a me.

[Dope as Jos]

How high is awesome?

[Josh Kesselman]

It's a great movie. Yeah, it's a. Also like he just falls out the window like that. I just falls out the window on fire, bro. Hit the ground, man. That's the one thing I never understood. Other than that, what a movie. How they get in Harvard with test scores and no education, I have never know. But they just like your test scores. You're in Harvard. That's not the way it works. But you know, great movie. 31 year old method man got in Harvard. Like, nobody questioned these Coronas. Yo. Vice president's daughter. Date the weed guy. Never in the life is that gonna happen. But what a movie.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I also. I also really enjoy Old School.

[Josh Kesselman]

Old School. The movie's great. I watched it like two months ago. That band that sings, they're in the Hangover also. And they're in a couple other ones. God, they're so funny.

[Dope as Jos]

Can you watch Step Brothers without laughing?

[Josh Kesselman]

No. Impossible.

[Dope as Jos]

Impossible.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's one of my favorite movies ever.

[Dope as Jos]

I found the outtakes from when I.

[Josh Kesselman]

Was watching on YouTube the outtakes or extended clips, the deleted scenes alone. Funny. Dude. That's the collective Caddyshack of our generation.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, Caddyshacks. You can't rewatch it. It's not funny.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm saying, like, when people are growing up like Caddyshack, like, that's our funniest movie. Animal House. That's our. No, ours is. Is step brothers and Pineapple Express. That's this generation's.

[Dope as Jos]

Eric and I, my friend. My best friend in New York, we. We did a stepbrothers scene together where we were. We. We took two Supernaturals and we literally were lighting each other's joints. We were lighting the joints in ways. We were blowing flames at each other. We did like the whole thing. Did we just become best friends? We're talking about making funny things that we like making. We had so much fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

You like giant joints.

[Dope as Jos]

We just took so fun. They are so much with. Each one of us had our own footlong joint and we had lighters and we were blowing. See, if you blow out through it, you can get it to go.

[Josh Kesselman]

Terps slide out.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, the terps are volatile. So they're going out there and creating that like kind of flamethrower effect. Is that why I believe that to be true?

[Josh Kesselman]

Like, that's the name of this episode. I believe this was fun.

[Dope as Jos]

Done. Okay. So my experience has been, yeah, the terps are volatile. And you get a good terpy one. You can. And with the lighter and you get that.

[Josh Kesselman]

I never thought about that.

[Dope as Jos]

I've been smoking so much in so long, dude. I find so many weird to do. It's so much fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

I never blew back through my joint.

[Dope as Jos]

Really?

[Josh Kesselman]

No. I'm always very.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, don't. You gotta have it. Right?

[Josh Kesselman]

I mean, it's fire, but you know what I'm saying? Like.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, I also. These are plumbed, you know what I mean? Where I run the tube down so I can totally blow out without sending the weed floor. True, true. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. We have fun. Joint tricks. All the stuff. Lighting each other join off one another. Blowing smoke at each other. Flamethrower things. I got so many new weird I do with my friends when we get start smoking.

[Josh Kesselman]

And you have a warehouse. Yeah, A lot of space to do. Cool.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I gotta be honest, with a warehouse that big, I would have already ran GI Joe zip lines across that whole thing from one corner gradually to the other. And what you do is you put a pen cap in their hand and it sticks on and they won't let go. It's incredible.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I think it was for us. No, I think like for me. And I'm thinking like, oh my God.

[Josh Kesselman]

I have a terrible bag.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm thinking myself flying across somewhere else.

[Josh Kesselman]

Little GI Joes. But it go, bro. I could do that.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, I could do that.

[Josh Kesselman]

Little gun.

[Dope as Jos]

That's a good idea. I could do that. I could do that easily to a new headquarters.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, wow.

[Dope as Jos]

The warehouse is staying. We're moving all of our headquarters.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay, okay.

[Dope as Jos]

We got this. It's like a 30,000 square foot building we're moving all of our people into to do all of our. Cool. Yeah. And building like a funky, weird lab. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

Arizona.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, yeah, Arizona.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Near. Near the. Near the giant warehouse. But I needed more space for people and I needed experimentation spots and all that kind of stuff. So we found this big old bank headquarters that was for sale and they wouldn't sell it to me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Why?

[Dope as Jos]

Because it was owned by a federal credit union. So when they knew, they figured out who was trying to buy it from them. Oh, something hasn't necessarily changed as much as people think.

[Josh Kesselman]

We had to put Marty's name to get this place. Okay, so I get.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, they wouldn't. They wouldn't sell it to me. In the end, whatever reason they come up with, they wouldn't sell to us. But it's okay. They picked someone else to buy it to sell it. The dude bought it, turned around a month later and said, would you buy it for me for what I paid for it? And I was like, yes.

[Josh Kesselman]

Little do we know that was Josh's friend. I'm gonna give you this money for one month.

[Dope as Jos]

It really wasn't. It's just.

[Josh Kesselman]

I noticed that. So I would have did.

[Dope as Jos]

I didn't wanna. I was too. I was too upset with them for. Not for.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, so like keep your building.

[Dope as Jos]

Basically was like, no. But then when the guy universe turned around and said, you want the building, Josh? Here's your building.

[Josh Kesselman]

Perfect.

[Dope as Jos]

And I got this really cool bank building. It's dug down into the earth and it's got vaults and big vaults and cool in it. Really funky.

[Josh Kesselman]

It has. Has the same doors on it still.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, it's got the doors. Yeah. I've got the tubes. I've got the tubes to shoot the money. Imagine what I'm doing with this place.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're going to make like a. Like a. Like a mini commercial FedEx building commercial with that, like the. The ravioli can and follow the one tube through your.

[Dope as Jos]

I Can. I got a tube system. I got, like, a pneumatic. I got a pneumatic tube system.

[Josh Kesselman]

You don't need a GI Joe thing. You just send them through that.

[Dope as Jos]

Right. So we're talking because I. I got my own office with a balcony, so I can go out and smoke immediately without anybody ever saying that I'm out smoking the place. Because some. Some of my stuff. Oh, my God. Some of the stuff I've done in the warehouse. Holy. The amount of smoke in that warehouse.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah. I've only seen. Only happened to us once where I thought, how is this possible?

[Dope as Jos]

Hair dryer. Do you ever see my hair dryer stuff?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, okay.

[Dope as Jos]

The hairdryer stuff. Dude. The amount of smoke in the warehouse was. I've got vent stuff. I've got a system in the warehouse where I can. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Out it goes. But I was. I watched a billow. Like. Like if you're on a similar nimbus cloud, to exit from where we were and go. Went past where people were and out. And I was like, okay, I can't do this again. I can't do this again.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, they know where they work.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, you know where they're. Right? Before I did any of this, I told everyone what I was doing. I'm like, it's gonna be bigger than you think this time. It will be larger than you expect. That's. Are they all.

[Josh Kesselman]

This episode.

[Dope as Jos]

They were freaking, like, holy.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, we did dryer.

[Dope as Jos]

No joke.

[Josh Kesselman]

We did the leaf blower a couple times. Yeah. It's absurd. It's death. We did one on our show. We did, like, you get inside of the bong, and they leaf blower it.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah. You can't breathe Earth. It's my friend.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes. Okay. All right, cool. Yes, exactly.

[Dope as Jos]

I love Earth. Earth. I love you, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

With the. With the boxes. He came. He came to our live show. He brought up. He brought a bong and two boxes and a cake.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, cake.

[Josh Kesselman]

He makes cake. Oh, I forgot, man. Of course. You know him.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

You know the box he does with, like, the astronaut? No. That's deadly. It is. It is so bad. I've never been scared of smoke. Yeah. And when I put my head in there and I looked and I saw Marty disappear in less than a second.

[Dope as Jos]

It isn't the smoke that I'm scared of. It's when it's through experience, when it turns yellow, you're gonna be a sorry fellow.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yellow smoke around your face.

[Dope as Jos]

So many times that's happened to me. The minute I see. I can see the yellow forming thing. When I see that yellow, I know I'm in trouble.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was hot to me.

[Dope as Jos]

It's hot. I can handle that stuff. I kind of like it. Sorry, dude. I just. It's just. I like going really far.

[Josh Kesselman]

But the hot smoke. Do you inhale when you're in the box or you hold your breath? Oh, I tried to inhale and it was so hot and it hurt my chest.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it hurts. It definitely hurts.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah. You're immune to the heat then? Because that was like breathing into a.

[Dope as Jos]

Sauna, Josh, is almost pure combustion. You know what I mean? So it's like.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's me, man.

[Dope as Jos]

So the stuff I like, I like going a little further. You'll never know you went too far until you've gone too far.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's the other title of this episode. Jesus Christ.

[Dope as Jos]

So, like. Yeah, that's why Earth is my friend. We had a lot of fun. When I went into that. When I went to the tube, it was awesome.

[Josh Kesselman]

The tube. The tube is. Is different. I'm talking about that box.

[Dope as Jos]

Box is tough. I've done these boxes. I've done these things, dude. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's definitely a lot. Don't open your eyes.

[Josh Kesselman]

I had them open and I was looking. No, that's what messed me up. No, like, it. It was. It was bad.

[Dope as Jos]

Don't open your eyes.

[Josh Kesselman]

As soon.

[Dope as Jos]

As soon as I see it start to get. I just. I just gotta sit there and enjoy it. Just enjoy the ride, man. You gotta breathe. And. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. And if. And then you're gonna call.

[Josh Kesselman]

You almost have to be like this.

[Dope as Jos]

To keep the heater to take smaller hits. You're gonna run out of oxygen. It's the issue. You gotta do. You gotta. You gotta time. I talked to them beforehand. We talk about. I'm like, okay, how much.

[Josh Kesselman]

How long do I have?

[Dope as Jos]

Well, how much longer? How long can I survive driving there without oxygen?

[Josh Kesselman]

Jumping out of a plane? Like, are you ready? Are you ready? Are you prepped? You know what you're doing?

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, we talk about it, and then it's like, okay, I can let. I last about this long, then pop it off because I can't handle more than 30 seconds, probably without.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, I lasted four seconds. Remember, we put the box on our head. We're talking about. He lasted 30 seconds in the box.

[Dope as Jos]

What? Just because you're running out of oxygen. So just better. I'm just going like.

[Josh Kesselman]

We were literally less than 5.

[Marty]

We couldn't because we couldn't live.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was so you didn't.

[Dope as Jos]

You didn't think about it beforehand?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I did nothing. It was. No, no, no, no. I was doing that.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm planning it out through past experience. I'm thinking, I gotta. I gotta do baby hits. I gotta go because I take it a big hit of smoke. I'm coughing. The box is coming off.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yep. Exactly. What happened? It's just so hot. I felt it go.

[Marty]

We underestimated it completely.

[Dope as Jos]

No, don't go through your nose. It's mouth only. It's mouth only. And you gotta go.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it was bad, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

It's gonna get hot. But if you take too much, you're gonna cough. You try not to cough. You try not to get it in without coughing. There. There's tricks to all this stuff. There's new. I told you, though.

[Josh Kesselman]

Realize. I didn't realize.

[Dope as Jos]

He knows. He should have told you.

[Josh Kesselman]

I just.

[Dope as Jos]

I think maybe, you know, man, you know all the tricks about. To survive this and have fun with it.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was terrible. We gotta do this.

[Dope as Jos]

We gotta do another one.

[Josh Kesselman]

I try to rip, like, a bong, too. And that's where my problem was.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I tried to inhale as hard as I possibly could.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, it's so much fun, though.

[Josh Kesselman]

I could feel the heat in my stomach.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, it's tough. Some of. Some of these contraptions are ridiculous. They are ridiculous.

[Josh Kesselman]

Good word.

[Dope as Jos]

Started off with. We talking about gravity bong. So I'm making gravity cones. By the way, I'll drop them in any day now. Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, sticky on the top. All right, that's cool. A lot easier than having to make the bowl. Yeah, a lot.

[Dope as Jos]

Tin foil.

[Josh Kesselman]

I would have. Dude, I have so much in my house. I still would use tin foil even.

[Dope as Jos]

Though I have bongs and things.

[Josh Kesselman]

I would. Right?

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, no, no.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know. It's not good to smoke off of.

[Dope as Jos]

I got something funny. I have so many contraptions. I got. I got something coming out called the tuberator, which was really, I think, invented by Boo Johnson. I think it's booze. I think it's a booze. I mentioned more than it's mine. It's. It's based on a flute. I did a thing just for fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

Some of the joints in it.

[Dope as Jos]

This one holds seven.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It looks like steamroller. Yeah, steamroller. But this one's wood, and it looks more like a flute. And it's based on this. This funny video I did just for fun, called One Time in Bandcamp amp, where it's me with the flute. And I load a full joint and I'm hitting it. I tried to play a song for a second. It didn't work. Didn't work. But it was funny. And then we were laughing, thinking we should turn this into a device. And then with Boo Johnson, we were in New York City, and we made one of the. One of those long ones that had like 20 joints in it, different ways. And we were dying and booze. I think the one who said the name, I think Tuberator, and it just made me laugh so hard.

[Josh Kesselman]

That was pretty accurate for Boo Johnson.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, I miss you, bro. I love you. So then I decided, let's make a product. So we made this wooden tube with plugs in it so you can decide where you want to go, five, six, or seven, how far you want to go. And then the tube raider. Maybe I'll have it out in time for Christmas. I hope so.

[Josh Kesselman]

Maybe I'll have it on two weeks. Jesus Christ.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I already made it. I already prototyped. I finished prototypes. I approved it. So now I'm just pro. Maybe Christmas, maybe January.

[Josh Kesselman]

Fun.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, this is. See, this is fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I. I get this. Just makes me happy.

[Dope as Jos]

Would I want to stop doing it? Only because the body's gonna say, Josh. Josh, bro. Bro.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Can't keep flying around the world, bro.

[Josh Kesselman]

You gotta make everybody come to you. Make your new factory a fantasy factory.

[Dope as Jos]

Could I have. I already started that.

[Josh Kesselman]

All right, then.

[Dope as Jos]

Ridiculous room. And they made me a room. Like, blows your mind. It's called. It's called flavor room. We don't flavor in there. It's got a ball pit. It's got swings. It's got a house of mirrors inside of it. Like a. Of mirrors. I filmed it. I dropped it. It's always one of my videos. It's me inside the. The Juicy J's flavor room. All the old Juicy J's, new Juicy Js, all the stuff in there, and it's all colorful. We made cool lights and stuff. Sort of a place to really hang out when. When we do certain things or we want to do testing and stuff. We sometimes go up into that room and we just. Nothing. Because wouldn't you want to have a ball pit in your factory?

[Josh Kesselman]

In my house, yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So there's a ball pit in the factory.

[Josh Kesselman]

If I don't have to take my stairs anymore, I just jump down into the ball pit. I'll be so excited. Dude, dude. That's the goal. Okay? My back be good enough so I can jump 12ft into a ball pit.

[Dope as Jos]

This Was their idea. This was. No, I didn't say them. Hey, I want to place the ball and all this stuff. They made this for fun. They were just like. All they said was. They asked Betty, how far can they go? She's like, do whatever you want. Have fun. And they went, Velcro wall. And they built it as a surprise for me. So then I got there, they walked me up there, and they're like. They tell in prepping it, josh, you're gonna blow my mind. I blow you, my. Josh, you have so much fun. And they walked me up into the thing and they opened. They opened the curtain, and I was like, oh, my God. The music was on all the stuff. And I was like, oh, my. This is in Benimar. Full Spain. A town of maybe Arizona. This is in Spain. This is in a town of maybe 420 people. Tiny little town where the factory, the raw factory is. And we like having fun. So we've been making it more and more.

[Josh Kesselman]

You gotta wait for people. There's not even that many people. The rides are always open.

[Dope as Jos]

People come to visit. And we wanted to have a. Like, we also do testing. Yeah, we want to have a fun place to do our thing. And when people come, we want them. We want to give them a finance experience with us.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

So we started building it out in just beautiful, crazy ways. There's murals now in the factory. There's these beautiful sayings and stuff to inspire people to work harder and to. And to, like, be passionate about what they do. It's turned into, like, this really cool place.

[Josh Kesselman]

Cool dude. In Spain. Yeah, I move there, too. You have a ball pit. Everything is pointing toward. I look at a house. I do have a ball pit.

[Dope as Jos]

And they have a machine. If I sent you the video on.

[Josh Kesselman]

It, it makes you taller. I don't know.

[Dope as Jos]

With pedals.

[Josh Kesselman]

What's it do?

[Dope as Jos]

Seat, handlebars and a horn. Because its connection, its lineage or whatever it's legend, whatever it is, was the bicycle that. It's still called the bicycleta. The original bcleta of legend was supposedly powered by pedaling. What is a machine that takes all of this to take a big reel of paper? Oh, it's powered by people originally, supposedly because they were trying to come up with ways because there was no. This is before there was, like, running like normal electricity. It's a machine from the 1800s that we read about in some storybook somewhere. And it's. And Jose Emilio supposedly had one. He showed it to me. It was cool as. And it's Been electrified over the years and modified. Eventually we needed something that was more modern. So it's been really modernized. Where now it still has the. Now it's got a billet wheel, and now it's got all this. Now it's this cool machine. But to connect it to the past, it still has a bicycle seat.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's cool.

[Dope as Jos]

It has handlebars and a horn. It's got pedals and a chain. And it's all. It's just like. I can't imagine another factory or rolling paper booklet factory in the world that has a machine like this. But it's right there. And I post videos over from time to time, usually on my story I'll do. I got a main one queued up. I should post it. I'll do it after this. Because it's just. It shows you what we're like, you know, just. It's. You're trying to connect to the past. You're trying to pay homage. You're trying to inspire people and keep it as incredibly authentic as you can. So, like, you have these, like. I think. Yeah, it's like. For example, you'll work with, like, this old mill that's by the side of a river in France, and they'll make you your base sheet. And then the original stuff, when it comes off, it's called a mother role. It's like longer than this room.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

And it's like, oh, God. I think it's about. It's about 17 miles long, something like that. So it's this thing called a mother role. And you have to buy a mother role if you want to do it all yourself and custom and cool. Do all, you know, make your own cool badass. So you get this mother role. Now you cut up the mother role in sections and send that to Benamar full. Now you're going to go into Benimar full. Now you got to take this mother role and you got to do your thing. You got to apply your preferred special technique. Takes to make it your own the extent that you can. It's. It's so much fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

I see why some of these, like, I always wanted my own brand. Do you hear what this man? Just go through 17 miles of.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, if you want to do it right. You know what I mean?

[Josh Kesselman]

No, you're the. What I consider that's going above and beyond.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I'm not.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is what I'm talking about you as an. As a brand owner doing.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no. This is the way to always been. This is not. Josh. This is not this is the way.

[Josh Kesselman]

It'S always been particular. I'm not talking about just this in particular. I'm talking about this entire episode. Yeah, that's what I mean. You know what I'm trying to say.

[Dope as Jos]

I like to think that, like, I believe that my real competitors out there do something very similar. I would. I like to believe they do, you know, in their own way. In their own way.

[Josh Kesselman]

In America. It's not. Americans really don't know about European culture like that. They only know there's like five papers. They don't know about the other 490.

[Dope as Jos]

Well, a lot of the 490 are often the same paper in a different. Oh, it just.

[Josh Kesselman]

But you know what I'm saying, like, options. Other 400.

[Dope as Jos]

There's a lot of options. There are some great options out there. But what I try to encourage people to do is rather than just putting your name on a booklet, I'd prefer it if you had your own base sheet made, ideally at a mill, and then you bring it to a place where you modify it yourself to turn it into whatever it may be. This.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Using your own special places. Your own way of gumming, your own way of watermarking, ideally.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Your own way of pressing it and kind of customizing it, let's say, kind of making it really your own so that it performs the way you really, truly want it to. That's my ideal world.

[Josh Kesselman]

Sick.

[Dope as Jos]

Because then that guy, that dude's gonna be my friend. We have so much to talk about. We're also gonna be scared of each other, but we're also. We're square up. But we're gonna have so much fun in terms of, like, we get each other. We're both on the same page, I hope. Especially if the dude smokes or when I say dude, man or woman. I don't care.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

Just if they smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, and they do all that, well, then that's like the making of my best friend in the world, Right?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

We got a lot to talk about. You know what? Maybe we gotta find a way. Maybe we can do a collab.

[Josh Kesselman]

You're out there.

[Dope as Jos]

We'll combine the best of. You do the best of that. That I do that better than you, dude. I know I do. What if we kind of, you know, that kind of thing.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, that's. That's communal. Yeah.

[Dope as Jos]

It's all just a dream.

[Josh Kesselman]

It'll happen. Yeah, it'll happen eventually.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm. I'm trying to do something even more special that I can't Talk about much. I'll tell you about when the thing ends in. In Spain. I'm trying to do something that's never been done before to make it even better. And I don't. I. No one has one of these. These things I'm trying to do in Spain. As far as I know, there's not one of them in the country. It's gonna be amazing.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's just a slide into the ball. Sick ass slide. Oh my God.

[Marty]

A big ass cone cone slide.

[Josh Kesselman]

I wish I had an imagination like that. I'd be making. Getting so many cool props.

[Dope as Jos]

And you do have an imagination.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm talking about to make cool stuff like, you know this guy, this artist made chair looks like a piece of bread. Like that is awesome. I can't think like that. I'll buy it. I love it.

[Dope as Jos]

What do you mean you made that shirt.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm talking about like artists. You know when you see artists make.

[Dope as Jos]

That is art.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is awesome. I love it. I'm. I'm talking about some, some. I'm talking about some like that I can sit on. I'm talking about artist. You know what I'm saying?

[Marty]

Furniture.

[Josh Kesselman]

Furniture. I don't know. I follow these AI things online. These AI furniture people and they make like a blueberry. But it's a sofa. My God, I would love to have that in my house. You ever see these guys? Yeah, I have.

[Dope as Jos]

But then I also saw. I keep getting fed with because it, you know, it hears us. They add for some kind of really cool chair. Some kind of office chair. If you just sit in like this. That supposedly supports our back better.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it's called Herman Miller.

[Dope as Jos]

No, better than that supposedly.

[Josh Kesselman]

And Miller taxes 2200.

[Dope as Jos]

It's even more than that. I didn't buy one.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, the chair is.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, it has like three things on the back.

[Josh Kesselman]

I've seen the lumbar support ones and my friend has one. It works perfectly. It might be worth the money.

[Dope as Jos]

I hope so.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'll let you know. You. You let me know. I won't do that. Josh. I don't know how long we've been here.

[Dope as Jos]

That's hours and hours and hours.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know, but it doesn't feel like we have.

[Dope as Jos]

We could keep going all day, but.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know we have. How long we've been here? Mark party almost five. Stop.

[Marty]

Quick chill Sesh.

[Josh Kesselman]

Shut the up at six o'clock.

[Dope as Jos]

That's the problem though, man, because to me it's like a sesh. You know what I mean? You just keep going. Next thing you know you open your eyes and it's.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, it is 2:00am 6:00. Yeah. You're eight hours ago. Okay. I didn't realize.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I didn't even get into our notes.

[Dope as Jos]

I tend to do that.

[Josh Kesselman]

We didn't even get into our notes. It's okay. It's all right.

[Marty]

Do we want to hit our giveaway?

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, yeah. Josh, do us a favor.

[Dope as Jos]

Sure.

[Josh Kesselman]

We like to give things to the fans, and we always have people saw sign raw stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay.

[Josh Kesselman]

But we've never had you sign raw stuff.

[Dope as Jos]

Great.

[Josh Kesselman]

Can you please sign this? And we're gonna give this to somebody.

[Dope as Jos]

Sure.

[Josh Kesselman]

Before we get on out of here. Do you have a cool signature?

[Dope as Jos]

I've kind of.

[Josh Kesselman]

Is it legible?

[Dope as Jos]

No.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. I don't have a good one either.

[Dope as Jos]

You have a legible signature.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I mean, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said legible. Does it look like letters?

[Dope as Jos]

I'll show you.

[Josh Kesselman]

Okay. Mine doesn't look like letters.

[Dope as Jos]

No.

[Josh Kesselman]

I can't really tell. It's nice. Damn it.

[Dope as Jos]

No, I'm not signing it.

[Josh Kesselman]

He did more than. That's what I know. It's good.

[Marty]

Nice.

[Josh Kesselman]

That bottom is nice.

[Dope as Jos]

My signature, it's like a. It's like a flying J. People make fun of me. I'm like, dude. But it's, like, smooth.

[Josh Kesselman]

And you should see mine. It changes.

[Dope as Jos]

Then they want it even more.

[Josh Kesselman]

It changes. I'll show you my signature.

[Dope as Jos]

They're gonna want even more if you sign it.

[Josh Kesselman]

I don't have a signature. It's in print. I don't have a signature.

[Marty]

Signature is as if it was on, like, lined paper.

[Dope as Jos]

Really?

[Josh Kesselman]

Yes.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. Can you. Have you ever with it? Because, like.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, I want to take a pitmanship class.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh, no, forget about that. I just meant, like, just take your. If you. Okay, you start off with a T. So you go. You start. Do it across. Down, Thomas. And you would go. Keep it smooth in one motion. That's cool. But if you can keep it in one motion, it's. It's more beautiful and you can sign faster. And it's like. It's really more your own. It's the one motion thing that you have to figure out if you can sign your name without lifting the pen.

[Josh Kesselman]

I do, but it's different every time. You know what I do every time I go like this. It's never. It never has a T in it.

[Dope as Jos]

Telling people a two motion across. You could across and you make. So now you have your T. And then it's like, so across for your top of the end. I could totally do it.

[Josh Kesselman]

So bad.

[Dope as Jos]

I could totally do it. I could totally do it, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

Suck, dude.

[Dope as Jos]

I feel bad for anyone who's watching our podcast for. We can't believe we did this to them.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, no. You'll be all right. They've been in a. They've been in a smoke session this whole time. Believe. It's been five hours. That's insane. This is the longest episode we've ever done.

[Dope as Jos]

Oh my God.

[Josh Kesselman]

Let's go. Nice. Longest episode.

[Dope as Jos]

A problem with. You and I are friends and I have so much respect for you that I just. I don't get to talk to you as much as I'd like.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know we never see your ass ever.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah, that I. That I. And I missed your wedding. I'm so sorry about that, dude.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's okay. I had like three friends.

[Dope as Jos]

The worst part is you guys don't know this. I hit him up upset that he didn't invite me to his wedding.

[Josh Kesselman]

Three months ago I said that months ago.

[Dope as Jos]

I saw the pictures. I was like, Thomas, what did I do wrong? Why didn't you invite me to your wedding? And he realized like, I invited you. Like, show me.

[Josh Kesselman]

I was like, oh my God, Josh. I had your name there.

[Dope as Jos]

Was there and everyone else. And I'm like, that would been so much fun.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was. It was. You couldn't smoke weed. You can only dab. Cuz it was in the forest. No combustion. So you would have been over there. Edible the out.

[Dope as Jos]

I can dab. I could dab. I'm going to be. I'm going to be on the floor probably. But I'll still do it.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, I know some.

[Dope as Jos]

Who's going to carry me? Who's going to carry me?

[Josh Kesselman]

Me and throw my hip.

[Dope as Jos]

No, no, you're not allowed to carry me.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm always the only one.

[Dope as Jos]

But if I'm gonna dab, I literally have to look for someone. I do. Literally. It's gonna. I've gotta find. If I go down, it's gonna be you.

[Marty]

That's rock.

[Josh Kesselman]

No rock is gonna hold it.

[Dope as Jos]

I gotta beat you. Like, if you're dabbing with me, you're gonna see me talk to him. Be like, for real, man.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm like, help me.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm gonna go down.

[Josh Kesselman]

The white is coming.

[Dope as Jos]

I gotta prep it beforehand. I'm gonna tell you, you got a chance here. I might go down. If I do, just get ready and pick me up.

[Josh Kesselman]

The red work. Perfect. Yeah. More expert. We never. We always change it right back after the story. That was Five hours ago. Holy. Okay. When you open the door, I'm like, why is it dark? And then I saw the time. Oh, my God. Josh, thanks for being here. For the longest episode we've ever done, ever.

[Dope as Jos]

Part is, you know, we're not done. That's the first part.

[Josh Kesselman]

I know. We're gonna ramble. I get it. I know.

[Dope as Jos]

Hard, like, oh, my God, there's so much more. We didn't go through our question. It's okay. Three years from now, we'll do it again.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's okay.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm sorry. I apologize. Hope you had fun. I hope you enjoyed. I hope you learned something. Because let me tell you one last thing. The way that we live forever is not by our bodies and minds living forever. It's by the knowledge that you and I and Marty have injected into the public consciousness those ideas, those concepts, those feelings even. They live on long after we're gone. Even though they don't remember our names. Our names don't matter. The only thing that matters is the knowledge that we've shared with the human collective. That will be on long after you and I are gone. And if we rambled for five hours, Marty, which is beautiful, then imagine how much knowledge we've injected into that beautiful public, public consciousness of humanity. Now, you and I, and all three of us, Earth, in our own ways, are immortal.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like the way you put that. You know what else I was going to say there was not one, like, crazy, terrible dick joke or nothing in this episode. It was five hours of knowledge and fun. Because usually it's. It's a. It's a whole lot of some. I'll be honest, we say some stupid. Today was good. And I can't believe it's been that long.

[Dope as Jos]

I feel bad for your editors.

[Josh Kesselman]

It's Marty.

[Dope as Jos]

You could have cut me off.

[Josh Kesselman]

Damn. You know what?

[Marty]

This is what we all want.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is why I'm always able to.

[Dope as Jos]

Stick me in a chair. This is great.

[Josh Kesselman]

This is why I'm sick all the time. I haven't drank a drop of water since we've been here.

[Dope as Jos]

Really? I'm talking chug A logged, not one.

[Josh Kesselman]

That's why I'm always dabbing and feeling sick. Even when I'm talked about drinking water. I didn't drink any water. Sorry. It's okay.

[Dope as Jos]

Popping bottles.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thank you for being here.

[Dope as Jos]

Thank you for having me.

[Josh Kesselman]

Appreciate you. For everyone out there, what's the one thing they can go do to help? Help?

[Dope as Jos]

Help? Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

Raw. There's raw giving.

[Dope as Jos]

There's a bunch of stuff we're doing great. The thing you could do to help more than anything. Teach your. Teach your friend that doesn't know. Teach him how to roll a joint. Please.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like that.

[Dope as Jos]

Please. Or join us. It can be more fun. They can use cone. But if you want to. Want to build our community, even better.

[Josh Kesselman]

I used to have this.

[Dope as Jos]

Even more of us teaching people how to fish. Even though I'm vegan. Rolling machines are great.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, no. I had this and I. I gave it away because I go, I need to learn how to roll and I gave it away.

[Dope as Jos]

Yeah.

[Josh Kesselman]

I use it ever so much to get when the. When the.

[Dope as Jos]

Where the print goes off.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. Yeah. That's how much I used. There was nothing left.

[Dope as Jos]

A lot.

[Josh Kesselman]

It was damn near brown. Yeah. It was just a big splotch of white.

[Dope as Jos]

Because of people like you. I changed it. So that can't happen anymore. I'm printing on the inside. Goes through a translucent. I'm trying, man. Oh.

[Josh Kesselman]

So does it come off?

[Dope as Jos]

I gotta improve. I gotta improve. I gotta improve.

[Josh Kesselman]

I'm obsessed about this translucent on top. You know what I would have did? Don't roll so hard, man. Will come off. I would have never thought to make.

[Dope as Jos]

It translucent and print from the bottom.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah. I mean, it makes. It's like grip tape. When you put stickers under the grip tape and print up.

[Dope as Jos]

I got. I have to. I'm clear.

[Josh Kesselman]

Grip tape.

[Dope as Jos]

I'm obsessed.

[Josh Kesselman]

Thank you for being here. Thank you, Marty.

[Marty]

I really appreciate Bra. He's like, looking at, like, so happy.

[Dope as Jos]

This episode we'll be editing.

[Josh Kesselman]

No, this is great, dude.

[Marty]

People always been asking for this one. Really.

[Josh Kesselman]

Always has. So thank you. Appreciate you.

[Dope as Jos]

Get Rosie back. She was in here. I could have given her the heart.

[Josh Kesselman]

Oh, we'll get her back in right now.

[Dope as Jos]

Okay. No, we don't. After. After. No.

[Josh Kesselman]

Yeah, we're back in right now. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, man. All links will be in the description, guys. Marty, Josh, thank you for being here. Appreciate you guys. Anything else you want to say before we leave?

[Dope as Jos]

We all get higher together and it's true.

[Josh Kesselman]

I like it. It's a good little tattoo. Guys, thank you for being here. I appreciate. Damn. I just felt the water just got it. It took five hours, but it's here. Guys, thank you so much for being here. Hardy, Josh, thanks for being here, guys. This has been the dope as usual podcast. Thank you for being here. Have a dope ass day. Perfect. Perfect.

[Dope as Jos]

I.