Michael Dorn and his Untold Stories

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Michael Dorn and his Untold Stories”

Dropping Names ...and other things with Brent & Jonny
Date: July 29, 2026
Hosts: Brent Spiner & Jonathan Frakes
Guest: Michael Dorn

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Episode Overview

This episode reunites Star Trek: The Next Generation co-stars Brent Spiner and Jonathan Frakes with their longtime friend Michael Dorn. Under the guise of trading Hollywood war stories and “dropping names,” the conversation meanders through Dorn’s acting journey, life as Worf, unexpected career moments, wild behind-the-scenes tales, aviation adventures, and the unique camaraderie among the TNG cast. The tone is unscripted, affectionate, and often uproarious, blending cherished memories with sharp industry insights and plenty of gentle ribbing.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Morning Routines & Banter (00:00–05:30)

• Frakes and Spiner open with comic contrast in their routines: Jonathan’s sunrise meditations and swim vs. Brent’s omelettes and “never seeing that side of the morning.”
  • “You gotta swim before you come to work. That’s because you’re gonna feel better.” — Frakes (00:41)
• Quick pivot to stories about past dogs and the odd story of the “Jon Hamm wing” at a dog rescue.
• Casual name-dropping of Mad Men, Houston Colts, and baseball nostalgia.

On-Demand Storytelling & The “Name Drop” Gag (05:31–08:30)

• Dorn arrives and quickly matches the hosts for timing and comedic rhythm.
• They explain the titular “Dropping Names” gag (“We ring a bell when we drop a name!”), which Dorn the self-proclaimed non-podcaster approaches with dry skepticism.
• Reference to Larry Hagman practicing days of silence as a way to recharge.

Hollywood Brushes & Awe (08:31–14:40)

• Dorn’s first “starstruck” moment: sharing a Ritz cracker with Andy Griffith on set.
  • “He gets one and eats it. I get one and eat it. He eats it. I go, ‘Good cracker.’ And he goes, ‘Good cracker.’” — Dorn (09:43)
• Recalls roles in 80s soap “Capitol” with stars Richard Egan and Rory Calhoun and being cast as Lola Falana’s boyfriend.
• Stories about soap operas as a trial by fire: “I tried it and I couldn’t do it. I just don’t have that brain power that they need. They are, like, working anyway.” — Dorn (12:01)

Acting Highlights – Film & TV (14:41–24:00)

• Dorn retells his one scene in “Jagged Edge” and quotes his lines verbatim.
  • “Bottom line? Yeah. Straight, solid graph. The machine loves him. He’s telling the truth. Or he’s the kind of ice cube even the machine can’t melt.” — Dorn (15:18)
• Glenn Close and early careers: Frakes shares a dinner party story with Glenn Close pre-fame (16:32)
• Recollections about acting with Georgia Brown and Theodore Bikel as his “Worf” (step)parents, and negotiations over Russian accents in TNG that were shot down by showrunner Michael Piller (21:23).

Behind the Scenes: Trek & Beyond (24:01–29:30)

• Dorn explains how a joke with writer Maurice Hurley led to the death of Susie Plaxton’s beloved Klingon character (24:28).
  • “I just made a joke like, well, you know, kill his old lady...And then suddenly she was unemployed.” — Dorn (24:24)
• Discussion about legacy Klingon actors, and how character deaths sometimes come from offhand writer comments.
• Notable affirmation: “This is not a Star Trek podcast, but it is a Star Trek-adjacent podcast.” — Spiner (25:20)
• Dorn’s recurring role on “Castle” with Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic, and how a harrowing co-piloting incident with producer Rob Bowman cemented their bond (26:02–27:30).

Aviation Adventures & Wild Rides (29:31–36:33)

• Dorn’s extensive piloting career: flying with Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, and the Air National Guard, plus surviving emergencies—like a fuel-out in an F86 over Mojave.
  • “Whenever there’s a problem and it gets really serious, [machines] turn into women. Because you start going: Oh, sweetheart, don’t do this to me, baby...” — Dorn (35:56)
• Hilarious attempts to convince friends to fly with him, met with Spiner’s deadpan refusal.

Commercials, Guest Spots, and Regrets (36:34–43:20)

• Refers to legendary mustache days on “CHiPs” and the amusing motorcycle audition process.
• Embarrassing commercial appearances still living on YouTube, odd roles on “Webster” and “Parker Lewis Can’t Lose.”
  • “That was one show that I shouldn’t have done. Just because it really kind of... you guys didn’t want to cross-contaminate shows.” — Dorn (42:19)

Life as Worf & Internet Myths (43:21–47:22)

• The myth of Dorn’s marriage to Jennifer Joseph and the hosts’ mock-investigative persistence.
  • “If I had been married, you guys, we would have known.” — Dorn (47:00)

Pranking Each Other & Lasting Friendships (47:23–49:03)

• Brent’s prank calls to Dorn’s girlfriends over the years, always in character, always inappropriate for air: “Every time you date someone…” (48:17)

Writing, Directing, & New Films (49:04–52:58)

• Dorn’s new film: an independent sci-fi with Michelle Hurd and Marina Sirtis, developed to help him make inroads on a western screenplay.
  • “It’s a real character piece, but it just came together beautifully. Special effects and the editing and the people that worked on it were just—yeah.” — Dorn (50:26)

The “Vegan” Chapter (57:24–62:10)

• Dorn’s 20+ years as a vegan, dining adventures with the TNG crew, and navigating steakhouse con meals.
  • “Twenty years. And you feel better, right? — Spiner
    Tons. — Dorn (59:25)
• Anecdote of Dorn’s doctor linking plant-based diets to lower prostate cancer rates: “The urologist said he’s never seen a vegetarian with prostate cancer.” — Dorn (62:15)

Audience Q&A: Dream Podcast Guests (62:52–64:48)

• If Dorn hosted, his co-host would be Michelle Hurd; guest of choice, Star Trek director and 7% Solution author Nick Meyer and an X-Files producer cinephile.
  • “Probably Michelle. She’s really good and incredibly passionate.” — Dorn (63:23)
  • “Nick Meyer. Brilliant guy. Shakespearean scholar. Holmes. He wrote 7% Solution.” — Dorn (63:49)

Deep Dives into Classic Film (64:49–68:54)

• Dorn and the hosts bond over “Rio Bravo” and “Key Largo,” quoting favorite moments and praising classic performances—signaling their true cinephile instincts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I was like, this must be 38 years ago... Clouds of pot smoke is going like this. And I’m looking at you guys... You guys were out of control laughing and, you know, falling on the floor and everything.” — Dorn on the cast’s Colorado convention misadventure (05:36)
• “You remember when I had that argument with [Michael Piller]? He yelled at me. Brent and Marina were in my trailer when he yelled at me.” — Dorn (22:28)
• “You played your stepfather and stepmother: Theodore Bikel and Georgia Brown… Georgia Brown from Oliver, who famously… was the original Nancy.” – Brent (20:33)
• “We used to play tennis on Thursdays and finish our session, and he [Dorn] said, ‘I’m gonna go test drive a Trinidad [plane].’... Watching Dorn fly, I'm thinking, this is the coolest thing ever.” — Frakes (29:46)
• “Whenever there’s a problem... machines turn into women. ‘Oh, no, sweetheart, don’t do this to me, baby, please…’” (35:56)
• “I just made a joke, like, ‘Well, you know, kill his old lady. I don't know.’ [The writer] goes and actually does it.” — Dorn on Susie Plaxton’s Klingon fate (24:28)
• “Every time you date someone...” — Spiner, on his role as prank-caller to Dorn’s girlfriends (48:17)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–05:30 — Opening banter, morning routines, and “Jon Hamm” dog foundation anecdote
• 06:00–08:30 — The “dropping names” gag, Larry Hagman’s vow of silence
• 08:31–14:40 — Actors who inspired Dorn, Andy Griffith story and early TV work
• 15:00–17:00 — “Jagged Edge” scene, quoting lines, Glenn Close memories
• 21:02–24:00 — On the set of TNG, Russian accent and Michael Piller disputes
• 24:01–25:30 — Killing off Suzie Plaxton’s character, writer’s offhand choices
• 26:02–27:30 — Dorn’s aviation mishap with Castle’s Rob Bowman
• 32:58–36:33 — Dorn’s F86 jet emergency, aviation humor
• 36:34–43:20 — Commercial audition stories, CHiPs casting, motorcycle mishaps
• 47:23–49:03 — Spiner’s ongoing prank phone calls to Dorn’s girlfriends
• 49:04–52:58 — Writing and directing Dorn’s new sci-fi film
• 57:24–62:10 — Veganism, con dinners, and health insights
• 62:52–64:48 — Audience Q&A: dream guests for a Dorn-hosted show
• 64:49–68:54 — Old Hollywood cinephilia, Rio Bravo, and Key Largo quotes

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Summary Tone, Language, and Style

The episode is playful, self-effacing, and full of genuine affection. The trio’s inside jokes, rapid-fire riffs, and willingness to tease each other provide listeners with rare glimpses behind the curtain of Hollywood and the Star Trek universe. For all their comedic asides, there is consistent respect for the craft and a shared appreciation for the artists and legends who paved their way. Dorn’s untold stories reveal a rich, adventurous life far beyond his famous Klingon brow—part aviator, part actor, and always the consummate storyteller.

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For Listeners Wanting More

• For a taste of classic Hollywood, revisit the films “Rio Bravo” and “Key Largo” (66:02–67:13).
• Search YouTube for Michael Dorn’s vintage commercials for a laugh (37:18).
• Keep an eye out for news about Dorn’s upcoming sci-fi directorial debut starring Michelle Hurd and Marina Sirtis (50:06).

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Closing Note

Whether you’re a Trek completionist, a TV nostalgia buff, or just love Hollywood stories told by people who’ve truly lived them, this episode delivers high-octane charm, untold tales, and the kind of laughter only old friends can share.

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Transcript

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Oh, Brent.

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Johnny.

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Brent. Brent. Brent. This morning I got up.

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Yeah.

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I looked out the window.

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Yeah.

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The lights in the garden. It was the timing that just clicked off because the sun had come up.

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Oh, wow. What time is that?

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This is 4:47.

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Never seen it from that side.

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Really?

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No, I see it from the other side.

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Because of where you live.

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No, I see. I see 45. But right before I go to sleep,

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do you remember the Houston Colt 45s?

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Oh, for sure. I went to the first game that

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came up the other day in one of our podcasts.

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Did it?

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Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I decided I had an inner monologue with myself, and I said, you gotta swim before you come to work.

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Yeah.

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That's because you're gonna feel better.

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Yeah.

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You're gonna meditate. You're gonna look at. You know. So I procrastinated. I talked to the dog who was sleeping in a bed with us. You know, you live longer if your dog sleeps with you, by the way.

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Is that right?

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Yeah. John Ham, may he rest in peace.

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Yeah.

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Did he sleep in the bed with you?

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Well, yes.

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Okay. Is it too soon? All of a sul.

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Oh, yeah, Sorry.

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Okay.

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You know, I got to tell you a story really quick.

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I'm in the middle of a story, but you. I'm in middle of sharing something about my. Go ahead.

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All right, what do you got? You know, my dog. Our dog was named John Ham, and so wags and walks where we got him.

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Yeah.

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Called this week. It spoke to Lori and said, you

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want a new dog?

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Well, no, they have a. They have a bigger facility now that they're. They're financing. And so they went to their. Their people who've been, you know, given to them before, and we're big into, you know, saving dogs. And. And so she said, we're looking for people to donate $15,000, and if you can, we will name a wing after Jon Hamm. And I thought, how hilarious. Really? Because people will come in and see the Jon. Ha. They think it's the actor. Exactly. Yeah. Okay, go.

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Jon Hamm famously got his name because in the litter, they were all pizza toppings, and Ham wasn't working for your guys. And Laurie, your wonderful wife, named him Jon Hamm because she likes John Hamm the actor.

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Well, no, Jackson really pushed him.

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Oh, Jackson.

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Yeah.

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The brains of the opera.

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John Hamm, the actor was named after pizza toppings.

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That's what I'm saying.

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The actor.

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I believe so, yeah.

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I mean, on Mad Men, he was originally supposed to be John Pepperoni, but

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there was Already an Italian on the show.

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Exactly.

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I got you. So I got up. I got up, I talked myself out of it, and I went back to sleep. I think I peed and then went back to sleep. Next thing you know, it's 6:07.

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Yeah.

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I think, boy, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it now. So I snuck up, said get a little bit, went down, had my swim.

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How long?

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I swam 50 lengths, 25 laps, 520 yards. I try to do 100, but it was the morning and I had. I knew I was coming here.

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Yeah.

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And I'm swimming and I'm thinking and I'm swimming and I'm thinking and I'm meditating and I'm counting and I'm thinking about the day and I'm thinking how lucky I am. And, you know, all that business.

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Yeah.

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Then I go into the house. Dog comes running down, he wants food. I make my green juice.

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Yeah.

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Parsley, cucumber, lemon, ginger. In the grinder?

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Yeah.

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Grinder's over in the corner of the kitchen. Hopefully not waking Jeannie up. Then I drink my hot and cold. That together is what?

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Hot and cold. Warm. Warm.

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Warm lemon water. Then by that time, the grinder's done mixing all that together, I drink that, push the button on the coffee. Then I go to the cards. I'm going through our guests and my questions. So then I was thinking about you. I was looking forward to getting. And I. I prepacked my bag to pre. Pre. Pre pack your. Do you prepack your clothes?

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Yeah. You?

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Yeah. So my bag was packed and I'm ready to go.

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Yeah.

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I'm standing there outside my dough. I thought, what's Brent doing this morning on a jet plane? Don't know when I'll be back again.

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I hate to go. Okay. So you're wondering what I was doing at that very time of morning.

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You're probably in the car already.

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No. Well, maybe because I have to get up early exactly this morning. It was only really an hour. It only took me an hour to get here this morning. But generally, I pop out of bed, right? First thing I like to do is have an omelette of some sort before I've done anything.

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Remember Peter Evangelatis?

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Of course. I'm cracking myself up. I really do. That's so unpleasant.

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What did Peter used to say, Dorney?

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A yellow tail pizza.

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Got a beautiful pizza here.

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I got a beautiful pizza for you guys.

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The pepperoni is the size of pancakes.

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That's right.

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Dropping names and other Things where the whiskey flows and the laughing sings. Pull up a seat, join the game

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of bread and Johnny, I've smoked five halves.

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We used to. Oh, come over for Christmas, and we'd be outside.

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Yeah, I miss that. I love cigars. And Shatner, he'll still have an occasional cigar.

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Remember when we used to have a break during a lighting setup and you go outside the door and.

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Not me, you guys.

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No, but we. Well, it was like when got stoned in the parking lot in Colorado and you were the only one who didn't get stoned. We all went back into that convention, you guys. That was horrifying.

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It was like being with 11th graders. Were you there?

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No, I don't think I was there.

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Jesus, what a night.

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We all decided. Not we. You guys all decided to go outside, right? Go someplace where you're not going to be seen. And clouds of pot smoke is going like this. And I'm looking at you guys going, what are you guys doing? You know, and you went back inside and you guys were out of control laughing and, you know, falling on the floor and everything.

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I was like, this must be 38 years ago. This was right after. This is when we were. Denise was with us and Gatesy and Marina.

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And that's the.25, Will.20,25.

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No, I think it was way back in the. When we first started doing cons and we all got to know each other.

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

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You know, the premise of the show, I. I've seen.

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I've seen clips.

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Clips.

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So you get the gag.

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Totally.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to open with your.

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No, I don't know the g. What's.

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When we drop a name?

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Huh?

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The name of the bell.

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Okay. You guys ring a bell?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Do you want to do it?

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No, that's.

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I don't let him do it. He's. He's got to concentrate. Okay.

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I told him it is, but I told him we were talking. I'm not going to talk for a podcast.

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You know what? I suggested that he say that, you know, remember Larry Hagman? Larry Hagman used to have this thing where Sundays he would not speak. He had. For years he would not speak on a Sunday.

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And because he'd been talking all week.

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Because he'd been talking all week. Plus, he wanted to, like, reserve his energy and, you know, he would have so much more to offer later in the week if he didn't talk one day. And I said, dornstadt should suggest that he doesn't talk on Wednesdays. Oh, God.

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I'm sorry, but I don't talk day. Yeah, yeah, but I'll just give you a little.

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Oh, notes.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what Larry did. But we may hope for that by the end of this, you know.

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No, I. I think Dorney's going to kill it today.

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Do you?

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Yeah.

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Bread is suspect.

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Yeah.

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I found out shit about you that I've known you a long time.

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No.

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And I got a lot.

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Should I start with our big question? Yeah.

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What's up?

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Okay, so this is what we kind of like to start with, and then we go from there. But who have you. Because it's called dropping names, and that's what we like to do here. Who have you, since you haven't seen the show? Who have you ever been in a room with?

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You know, I got a gun, you know.

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Okay, all right, all right. Who have you ever worked with or been in a room with or met or just hung out with, whatever that you thought? Oh, my God, I cannot believe I'm standing next to this person. I mean, someone I've. I've admired for so long. I just can't believe it. Is there somebody like that for you?

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Not really, no.

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Good answer.

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There was, but. Because I'm. You know, Brett and I are a lot alike because we kind of grew up with the same stuff, and. But there was one guy.

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Yeah.

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That I watched practically all my life, and then when he left a particular show that he had for any. This is a very famous and a wonderful actor, Mark Harmon.

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Sorry. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Did I mention.

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No, no, I just said that because he just left the show.

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I got it.

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Yeah.

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And. And after this particular show was over, he had many parts and he played incredible stuff. Just amazing guy. And I was. Had a bit part on a TV show.

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Okay.

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And it was Andy Griffith.

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Ah, Ange. Andy Griffith.

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And it was. It was really nice because we're on a break. You know, they shot a scene and we're on a break, and you go over to the craft service table, and they just happen to have a Ritz cracker.

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Ooh.

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And I go. And he gets one and eats it. And I get one and eat it. He eats it. I go, good cracker. And he goes, good cracker.

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And it made your life, man.

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That's the only thing. I mean, I remember a lot, but that's the one that stood out. He was just. And he was. It wasn't like he. You know, who do you just.

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He was so sweet.

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He went with it.

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See, I worked with him one time, Matlock you worked. You did a Matlock.

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I did a Matlock. He did a bunch of TV movies and he did. I remember this one movie where he was like a off road biker.

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Yeah. Shatner was in that.

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He was horrible. He was, like abusive.

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And I did a TV movie with him where he was an evil judge who was sending young girls to prison for, you know, doing so. I don't know, whatever. Just if they got drunk or hung out or something, he'd send them to prison. And I was playing the prosecuting attorney and Shawnee Smith was the star of it. Sure. I had to make her cry. How'd that go? Yeah, that I made her cry. But, but Andy was. Either he was just really in character or I don't know what, but he, he, he was kind of tough and he was, you know, face of the crowd. Well, face of the crowd. He was like that a lot. Like Lonesome Rhodes was the character's name in the face of the crowd.

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You know, I, I, you know, I think a lot of those old guys.

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Yeah.

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That, that we grew up with, they get to a certain point and I think they just realize, you know, I was kind of a, you know.

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Yeah.

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Or they kind of go, you know what? This is not serious. You know, and they really kind of relax. But there was two more.

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Okay. All right.

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Oh, I did a soap opera.

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Yeah.

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Web. Nope, that was a, that was a TV show.

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Soap opera is a TV show.

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I don't know. That was an actual network show. This was a soap opera.

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I hate to say it. Also on the network.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Think of your friend Jeannie Francis.

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Who was it?

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47 years on General Hospital. ABC.

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Let me tell you something. Don't I.

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Can I tell you something?

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I'm not, I'm not. I'm. Should I tell you something?

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Can I tell you something?

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I am not downing soap opera because I tried it and I couldn't do it. I'm just not. I just don't have that brain power that they need. I mean, they are, like, working anyway.

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Couldn't agree with you more.

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But I was this one show. Capital.

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Oh, yeah, capital.

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And I was Lola Falana's boyfriend.

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Lola Falana. She was a talent.

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Really. The two actors that were on there were Richard Egan.

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Oh.

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And Rory Calhoun.

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Oh, my goodness. Richard Egan.

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And I was, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm cowboy. So I just went, excuse me. And they were just the nicest guys.

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Were they? Yeah, yeah. Rory Calhoun, the Texan. Remember that series, the Texans Cowboy series.

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I didn't Know you were on Capitol. I didn't remember. I did some research on you, too. That's where I got the web.

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Yeah, that was my. That was. It was amazing because that was the lady that. That was the producer of that show.

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Right.

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Was Faye Dunaway. Was. That's who she was portraying.

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Oh, that's.

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Oh, in network.

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In network, yes. Oh, that

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was Henry the Eighth Wife.

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Divorced, beheaded, survived, divorced.

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Lynn Boland.

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Is that right? And that's who Faye was playing.

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Yeah. And we.

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Loosely based on.

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Yeah.

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And that's where. That's where I. That. My first real gig.

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Well, did you remember what you said to Rory or Richard Egan?

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No. No. I used that once, only with Andy. I know, but I said, hey, you know, I just, you know, naturally, I said, hey, really, you know, watch you guys. And I really, you know, appreciate being here. And they were like, oh, so what do you do? You know? And they were interested.

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Wow.

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The young kids were the ones that were kind of standoffish.

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The old guard, Andy Griffith, took me to lunch. He was one of the nicest. And Don DeFore did the same thing.

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And I think Andy wasn't happy, actually, to be honest. I think Andy was in character when he was, because he, you know, face of the Crowd. And we've mentioned this, one of the greatest performances ever. I mean, he was known as, you know, Andy of Mayberry and facing the. I mean, no time for targets. But Face in the Crowd, not as a great movie, but he's unbelievable in it. It's one of the ugliest characters ever on the screen. And he goes full at it, and he's fantastic. And I think he kind of was bringing that to this role and couldn't quite get out of it while he was talking to people, because I was going, oh, Mr. Griffith, I love you. And, you know. And he didn't really want to talk, but he did tell me his whole career. I mean.

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Yeah.

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Where he started and. And all of that stuff. But anyway, Thorn, what about this Dorney?

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Did you work with Glenn Close on Jagged Edge?

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Yeah.

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You were in Jagged Edge.

[A]

Jesus, Dorney.

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Just you and Glenn were in there. Thought about Jeff Bridges, as I recall.

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I have it on my phone, if you like. It was one scene, really. I played Dan Hislin.

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Remember the character's name?

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Yep.

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Glenn gets one. Hold on.

[C]

And Glenn goes, okay. Okay, Dan, give me the bottom line. And I go, bottom line? Yeah. Straight, solid graph. I mean, the machine loves him. He's telling the truth. Or he's the kind of ice cube even the machine can't melt.

[A]

Ooh, good line.

[B]

Wow. You know, that is a particular gift of his. He is able to recall.

[A]

Well, whenever he took the piss out of Patrick, it was coming out of Excalibur.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Holy moly. Yeah.

[B]

But that was it. Is he. He. Your favorite films and I know what your favorite film is, I think.

[C]

What is it?

[B]

Rio Bravo.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah. And he can do every line of the movie. Everyone's part. Everyone. It's unbelievable.

[C]

You know, John Logan, he was.

[B]

Saw.

[C]

He saw it on an airplane.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he says, michael, I love that movie.

[B]

Well, it's a great movie.

[C]

It's a great movie. I mean, you even, you know, give a little leeway to having Ricky Nelson.

[B]

Oh, I love Ricky Nelson.

[C]

He was even. He was like, you know, kind of good.

[B]

Yeah. Well, you know what? I guarantee you, Glenn Close could not do those lines that from Jagged Edge that Dorne just did.

[C]

She was. She was wonderful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

May I tell you a little Glenn Close story?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I was in a symphonic outdoor drama.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With David Aston Reese.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

British actor from Pittsburgh and Glenn Close in Williamsburg who was called a Common Glory.

[B]

Yeah, I remember that.

[A]

Yeah. There was a one about. I turned it to Thomas Jefferson. Of course you turned it down. And Glenn and I played this American historical couple and we did like 90 performances out in the heat of Williamsburg, Virginia. And at this point, she was a student there as before she became famous, obviously. And she was named Glenn Wade. I think she was married. And she invited me to a dinner party as a replacement for someone. And I could tell that I was a replacement because at each of the table settings there was a hard boiled egg with the name of the guest on it. And at my table setting there was a hard boiled egg that clearly had been. They had either taken nail polish remover or something like that, and they tried to put either Frakes or John on the. And it was in there, this little cup holder.

[C]

What else?

[A]

But she, she's. God, she's done. She's still working.

[B]

Oh, please.

[C]

She, she. I. I saw a thing on one of the social media with Sherry Lansing. Oh. And Sherry was. Sherry was talking about. They didn't want her. They didn't want to see her for Fatal Attraction.

[A]

What a performance.

[C]

And she kept saying, please. And her agent kept saying, you got to see it. And then she said. And she went in and she came in looking like that and did the scene. And they went, okay, we're sorry, you can have it.

[A]

You know, and her in the Stoppard play, I mean, she's if you ran one of our.

[B]

Do you think she'd remember you, Lenny? Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I. I've run into her.

[C]

I. I ran into her at Patrick's lion in Winter.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Did you do the lines from Jacket Edge for her?

[C]

No, no. I said, you know, Ms. Close, we work together. And she goes, that was a long time ago.

[B]

Yeah. Did she say I went? She said, well, thank you, Dan. Nice to see you.

[A]

I've got an egg with your name on it.

[B]

I. I was. I worked with Glenn. Glenn briefly three times. Yeah. But one of my first jobs, I was an understudy. I think I've mentioned this. I was an understudy in a play in New York, and the two leads in the play were Glenn Close and Dwight Schultz, who were a couple.

[A]

Who were a couple. Exactly.

[B]

And I finally got to go on and, you know.

[A]

You ever studied Kleiner or did Dwight?

[B]

I. I understood Glenn, but. Yeah. And I got to go on finally. She was absent one day, and the rest is history. I mean, my career took off. Yeah.

[C]

And hers stalled.

[B]

Yes, exactly. No, I mean, God, Glenn's done so many amazing things, but, yeah, she worked with our buddy Patrick, you know, who.

[C]

Another side note that kind of a lesser star, but is John Anderson.

[B]

John Anderson, Yeah.

[C]

He played the couple. You know, the two. The couple on the planet. He's a guy that I just.

[B]

You were like, wow, I can't believe. Oh, yeah.

[A]

He played my father in north and South.

[B]

Is that right? Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Such a good actor. There was a. There was. I can't do the. The lines, but there was a scene where he was explaining, and it was just. I was just blown away.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you had a lot of. You had. You. You played Wharf, right? Yeah. You had a lot of interesting people that you worked with because you had Theodore Beel played your father. Is that correct?

[C]

Stepfather.

[B]

Stepfather, yeah.

[C]

And Georgia Brown.

[B]

Georgia Brown was your stepmother. You know, Georgia Brown from Oliver, who famously. She was the original Nancy in the musical Oliver in London and on Broadway.

[C]

There was a. Theodore was wonderful. And I'm going, theodore Bickell.

[A]

Did he go full Klingon? No, he was your human.

[C]

They were human. They were humans. My real parents were killed, and they were human parents.

[B]

They had raised you.

[C]

Yeah, they raised me on a farm planet. But the thing is that he. He comes in, he says, michael, you know, I've got a kind of idea. And I said, what is it? He goes, oh, well, you know, they're Russian. Oh, yeah, the big Russian accent. And he says, why don't when we beam in and you see us, you speak Russian.

[B]

Ah, good idea.

[C]

And I go, that's a fabulous idea. You know, we had to call.

[A]

I was just about to bring that up. So who'd you have to call?

[C]

Burler.

[A]

Oh, Pillar.

[B]

Michael Pillar. No.

[C]

No.

[A]

Really? And I go, not even try it, you mean.

[C]

No. And he goes, we're trying to get away from, like, foreign languages in this. I went, face.

[B]

Foreign languages. What about Klingon?

[A]

God's motto.

[C]

And then I said. I said, well, I mean, it's a really good idea. It's only like two words, like, you know, dos vedana or something like that. And he goes, well, I tell you what, if I call. Yes. If I don't call. No.

[A]

What does that mean?

[C]

He just didn't. He didn't even think about it. He just didn't want to do it and he didn't want to.

[B]

You still seem a little miffed about that. I really held on to it far too long.

[A]

Look at the body language, you know?

[C]

You know.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

I'm in a fetal, you know, I know you.

[B]

I know you. Yeah.

[C]

And you remember when I had that argument with him? Yelling. He yelled at me. And Brent and Marina were in my trailer when he yelled at me.

[A]

Pillar.

[B]

No memory of that.

[A]

Rarely raised his voice.

[B]

No, I really don't. What happened?

[C]

They wanted me to do Deep Space.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And I said, no. And he called me and said, you're the most unprofessional actor I've ever worked with.

[B]

Wow. Because you didn't want to do the part.

[C]

Yeah. And he says, and I'll remember that.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And I went, are you threatening me?

[A]

No.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And I said. He says, no. I said, yeah, it sounds like a threat.

[B]

Well, at least there's no bad blood there.

[A]

I'm glad we brought. You Brought Pillar up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you went dead Deep Space for five years, and we had nothing but jealousy. You have had jealousy.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because you were.

[A]

I would have been happy to be on the series for another five years.

[C]

I thought you guys didn't want to do it anymore. This Star Trek stuff, dude, me and

[A]

Marina and I would be still doing it at 90 or however old we are now if we had our druthers. If I had my druthers, I was going to run through some Klingons for you.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Right. Tony, Todd, Oliver. Shalom, Mary Chifo. Did you train her up the way you did, Kareem?

[C]

No. No. But. But she was. She was. It was. That was. It was too bad because they Got

[A]

busted for having no bad hair.

[C]

They. They put so much. And then so much makeup, you can't tell, you know, but she was. She's a doll and a good actor.

[A]

And of course, one of our all time favorites, Susie Plaxton. Yeah. What are the wonderful Klingons.

[C]

That was. That was. I feel bad about that.

[A]

What happened there?

[B]

You had her fired, as I recall. Yeah, yeah. No, really, what happened? You did have her fired.

[C]

No, no, it was. It was a mistake. Morris Hurley.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Came to me and he says, hey, Michael, you know, I'm trying to figure out the thing what would just piss Wharf off more than anything else. And I just made a joke like, well, you know, kill his old lady. I don't know.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And.

[B]

And then suddenly she was unemployed.

[C]

She was. She did one. She did the show, and it was a great show, but she got killed at the end.

[B]

Well, did she come back? We brought her back.

[A]

Another character.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She didn't come back as a queen.

[C]

Not a. Not. Not as another character after that.

[A]

Oh, she had been another character before she.

[C]

Yeah, she was a Vulcan.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[C]

Vulcan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's. You know what? That's not on you, Michael.

[B]

It really is.

[A]

That's not.

[C]

I mean, they didn't have to kill her, actually.

[B]

No, they didn't have to, obviously, because it wasn't real. They were writing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But let me just say this.

[C]

But she was great. She was great. And Tony Todd was excellent.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah, he was wonderful. Let's just say really quickly that clearly this is not a Star Trek show. Well, we say that all the time. This is not a Star Trek podcast, but it is a Star Trek adjacent podcast.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because we sit next to each other and now we're across from you.

[A]

Let's talk about Castle, then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Astana.

[C]

One of the best experiences I. I've ever had.

[B]

You were on Castle?

[C]

I did four.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He was Stana's shrink. Stana, who was in Librarians, and both of us adored her.

[C]

Yeah, I. I loved Nathan.

[A]

Yeah, well, that was the thing.

[B]

They.

[A]

They were both fabulous.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that, historically, was the problem with the show. The two of them didn't love each other.

[C]

But it was Rob Bowman. No, he was producing and probably directed. Yeah. And I went in there and read for a doctor and he didn't know I was coming in. And he and I have a connection also. Outside of which is I took him flying one day, one night, and we're flying to San Francisco and the airplane had a problem oh, my God.

[A]

I'm glad we got you on the show.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And we came in and landed without a nose wheel.

[A]

Seriously.

[C]

And sparks are flying.

[A]

No shit.

[C]

We were going to Santa Barbara, took off, the tail wheel didn't come up. I went, huh? This is not good. So we got Santa Barbara, flew by the tower. They said, hey, your wheel's down. And so I flew around to burn off fuel and came back into Van Nuys. Wow. And landed. And we were like, whoa. You know, we were, like, really cool and everything like that. And we drove back to my house, and there's a bar down on Cahuenga or whatever. And within about 15 minutes, we were drunk. I bet we were just smashed because we were just like. But he went again.

[B]

He went up with you again.

[C]

He says, I got to get back on the horse. But anyway, I came in, read for this doctor one scene.

[B]

You auditioned for a doctor?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What a strange show that must have been. Oh, you need to play a doctor. Oh, sorry. I thought there was a doctor casting the show. No, doctor of casting.

[A]

He was a doctor. He was a lawyer. He was a boyfriend. Remember this era? Oh, those were your parts.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

We went up for the same parts.

[C]

Banal, banal, banal, banal.

[A]

Casual dad.

[C]

Casual dad.

[A]

Nice boyfriend.

[C]

Nice boyfriend or troubled husband? Troubled boyfriend.

[A]

Troubled boyfriend.

[C]

Like a bad.

[B]

You know, never went up for any of those.

[A]

That's what all boyfriend. Especially if you're the guest star.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

And they. They all. And I went out for this. Or I played this one with. Oh, God. She was in Kill Bill Black Girl. Vivica.

[B]

Oh, Vivica.

[C]

Fox Auto Night with vivica and Patti LaBelle.

[A]

Oh, come on.

[C]

And I was.

[A]

Hangelmeier lives in Patti LaBelle's house in Philly, by the way.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

There we go.

[B]

I love Vivica.

[C]

Just. Just a creep, you know? And I got knocked out by the boyfriend.

[B]

Of course you did.

[C]

It's just. But. But this one, Castle was just fantastic because I did three or four with her, right? Because they'd go off and they do their cops and robbers and stuff like that, and then at the very end, they'd have me in this sexy room, you know, talking about feelings and stuff like that.

[A]

Right up your alley.

[C]

And she was. She was just spectacular. She. And she goes. In fact, she's. She's funny. I was. I said. One of the lines is like, you know, I can help. And I was being really sensitive.

[A]

Of course you were.

[C]

You know, I can help. And she goes, are you flirting? With me, I go, if you gotta ask, I guess I'm not doing it.

[A]

Well, yeah.

[B]

He remembers every line he's ever spoken.

[A]

Did you go ever go up in a plane with Michael? No, I was.

[C]

He would never.

[B]

And. And this story really lays in why I would never go up in a plane.

[A]

We used to play tennis. Oh, the Bowman story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had a different experience.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

We used to play tennis on Thursday, and we finished our little tennis session, and he said, I'm gonna go test drive a Trinidad.

[C]

Trinidad? Yeah.

[A]

And you want to go with me? I said, yeah, I want to go with you. That sounds great. So we went to Van Nuys, test drove an airplane, stayed out, flew to, like, Poughkeepsie or wherever you fly to go up and turn around and come back, and it was fabulous. It was me and Dorn and the owner, I guess, the salesman. Salesman take off, land, fly around, test the plane. Watching Dorn fly, I'm thinking, this is the coolest thing ever. And so it's a couple hours after Dennis and I finally get. We're done, we have lunch, whatever. I call to check on Genie. He said, where have you been? I said, oh, I went to test drive a plane with Dorney. You what? Luckily, she loves Dorney, but it was a. She was shocked. Well, I mean, no wheel problems.

[B]

I mean, Dorney, you are. And not everyone can call him that. Dorney, you are a pretty much a professional pilot. I mean, you've never been paid to fly, but you can fly just about everything, right.

[A]

He's flown with the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds.

[C]

And Thunderbirds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Saw my notes.

[C]

Air National Guard, Fresno International Guard, a B1 bomber. Flown that.

[B]

Didn't you fly as a. As a passenger on one of those flights that just, like, went so fast and then it turns upside down and then passes out?

[C]

Not the Thunderbirds. Yeah, the Blue Angels. Passed out twice.

[B]

You passed out twice, and they still invited you back the second time, Interestingly enough.

[A]

No.

[C]

You only get one ride.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But they film it, and the. The first time I'd passed out, they go down the Runway and 400, 500, and they go, boop. And you. And you got to do this. That thing.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what that thing is.

[C]

It basically keeps the blood from going to your legs. Keep it up there. Because. And. And. And I think that one they kept in the film, but the other one, they. They cut it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because they said it was just too ugly.

[B]

What do you mean?

[C]

He says, oh, your lips were going all this. And you just.

[B]

I went, oh my God, I'd give anything that would too, though.

[A]

You must even show you.

[C]

They erased it. They erased it.

[A]

Oh, that's a missed opportunity right there.

[C]

Give that to somebody. Nobody would go if they saw, you know, in my eyes are like, oh, it sounds great.

[B]

I'm picturing it.

[C]

Oh, it was just horrible.

[B]

Oh, that's great.

[C]

But, but I had a great time.

[A]

Yeah, you still do. How many planes do you have now? Do you have the German.

[C]

Just one. Just one.

[B]

How many planes? Yeah, yeah, he just has one.

[A]

The German plane, the two seater.

[C]

No, it's, it's a. Called a Piper Malibu and it's six seater, single engine, but it goes up high and stuff like.

[B]

Do people actually go with you when you go these days?

[A]

Do you fly to Vegas anymore?

[B]

Sometimes, yeah.

[C]

Sometimes.

[A]

Didn't used to fly to Vegas for the Kanye all the time.

[C]

Yeah, but I did have a, I did have a Chuck Yeager moment.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

I had an F86 Saber Jet, you know.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Took off from Van Nuys. I'll truncate this thing. I took off from Van Nuys, got over to Hatchby and was doing, you know, all my air work, right. And aerobatics and stuff like that. And then at the end of it, you always go and you do approaches and you do, you know, like approaches into, you know, this airport in, in Palmdale. And so I'm over Palmdale, not Palmdale, but over Mojave, and I get next to Edwards and the engine quits. Quits.

[A]

Holy.

[C]

Ran out of fuel.

[B]

Oh my goodness.

[C]

Yeah, but the, the gauge screwed up.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

And, and so I went, okay. And you know, I've been trained and stuff like that. So I came into Palmdale and I hate to go back to Star Trek, but I came into Palmdale and everything worked out fine. I glided, gear flaps landed, had enough energy to pull off the Runway and the trucks come out because I declared, you know, kind of rigid trucks come out and they go, what's the matter? And I go, well, you know, I had this problem. And the guy goes, well, you know, Wharf.

[A]

No kidding. From your voice?

[C]

No, they just recognized me from that. And the.

[B]

They'd seen that film Commander Blue Angels.

[A]

The what?

[B]

They'd seen that film of you.

[A]

The Blue Angels felt like this.

[B]

I went, seeing you, Michael, I've seen

[A]

that you're in our training film.

[C]

But the. And this is how Star Trek helps. Is that the commander of the base? Because you're not supposed to land there. It's a military base, they do all the secret stuff. And he comes out and he goes, you know, come in, sign a couple autographs, take a little tour of the thing. And we won't say anything to the faa.

[A]

No shit.

[C]

Just when you take off, do a couple of high speed flybys. And I go, it was great.

[B]

And were you. When you found that there was no fuel, were you concerned, you know.

[C]

No. Because they teach you how to. Because I was taught by ex military guys. And they teach you how to glide and how to. You're always looking around for someplace to land.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And if you set up, I was up at 10,000 or 15,000, and if you set up for 180 knots, you can glide for 15 miles.

[B]

And you just look around, you find a place finally.

[C]

But the funny thing is, airplanes, boats, anything like that, whenever there's a problem and it gets really serious, they turn into women. Because you start going. You see the low pressure light or something like that, and you go, oh, no, sweetheart, don't do this to me, baby, please. No, I swear to God, I swear to God I'll be good. I. I really, really. I swear I won't do this to you ever again. And they just. And they just. You know. But it. That was my Chuck Yeager moment.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Which I loved.

[A]

Well, I haven't heard that story either. No, you're amazing.

[B]

And again, another reason why I would never go up with Dorne, even though

[A]

he's on the flip side of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Emotionally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, he used to do Neutrogena commercials.

[B]

This. I know, but for shampoo. Neutrogena shampoo. Right.

[C]

Neutrogena.

[B]

TGL shampoo, tea gel, shampoo.

[C]

It works.

[B]

Did you like. Were you on camera for that? No. Oh, I. I had this beautiful.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

I had an image of you doing your hair and, you know, shampooing it.

[C]

You know, that, the thing, the terrible thing about. Well, terrible. But there are commercials that I did that are out there still.

[A]

That's how you paid the rent.

[C]

Sure. It's a 1970s Atra skincare. And I'm on the beach early in the morning in a tuxedo and I have two women with me. Black women in chiffon.

[A]

So far, so good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know if we. I think we went to a party.

[A]

That's the story on the commercial.

[C]

And we were decided to go to the beach to see the sunrise.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And. And it's still. I can. You can still get it. It's on.

[B]

We're still on, on you?

[C]

No, it's on YouTube.

[A]

Oh, our fans are looking that one up. You can hear it now. You can hear it pulling that baby up. Maybe they could also pull up you on Webster.

[C]

I, I wasn't happy about that.

[B]

On YouTube. I know. Back to this. Michael Dorn, slash Webster, go to YouTube.

[C]

And Parker Lewis. Oh, God, I, I, I'm so sorry, guys. I gotta apologize. That was. Well, you guys didn't do it and I did and I was talked into it and I, I'm so sorry.

[A]

Okay, so let those go. Let's go to chips. Where you're not. Sorry.

[C]

Where I'm not.

[A]

Where we're proud you had the greatest mustache on television. Yeah, you're the greatest mustache on television.

[C]

Oh, oh, it was me, Tom Selleck.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It was Michael Dorn and his mustache.

[A]

It was a character you could have

[B]

been in Indiana Jones but did so cruel.

[A]

Tom Selleck wasn't Indiana Jones.

[B]

He got offered it. He was supposed to do it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And they wouldn't let him out of Mac in the last season.

[C]

Now that was great. A great story about Chips. I went in to read. They said, michael, thank you. That was very good. Very good. We'll call you later.

[A]

Who you thought it was?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You're going in a different direction.

[C]

Yeah. You know. No, no, they said, oh, we're going to go with this other guy, Leon Isaac Kennedy.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Jane Kennedy's.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And Jackie Kennedy. And so two weeks later they said, oh, we want you to come in and read again for this part. I came in and read and Leon Isaac told him he could ride a motorcycle.

[B]

He couldn't. No, you're supposed to say yes.

[C]

I said yes, started it and went into a wall.

[B]

He did.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you were cast.

[C]

And then they said, okay. And the interesting thing, my first job as an extra was on chips

[B]

and

[C]

I left the extra work behind and came back.

[A]

They didn't know as a regular on trips.

[B]

I said yes. Did you? Did you? I said yes.

[A]

When they said, do you know how to ride a motorcycle? On Harper Valley pta, starring the great Barbara Eden. Have I told you this story yet?

[B]

No.

[A]

I was cast as a character named Clutch Breath and my sidekick was an actress, full breasted actress whose character name was Twin Carbs.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[A]

And lucky for me, Barbara Eden fancied me. Oh, she liked her some Clutch Breath because he came in on a motorcycle. So one weekend, Ricky Dean Anderson from who I was friends with, from Nathan and before I knew Jeannie actually. So he taught me how to ride his motorcycle.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And I was able to do enough motorcycle driving to keep the gig and it didn't run into the wall. Now, see, that's why we do this. Barbara Eden didn't get any.

[B]

You did.

[A]

The girl who played twin carbs was on Star Trek. And I wish I could pull her name. We'll pull it and find it.

[C]

I saw. I was watching something. Wings.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And you were just charming.

[C]

Oh, no, you. You were like, smarmy.

[A]

That's what I like.

[B]

Smarmy.

[C]

Yeah. The things I could do to you. That whole, you know, like. Oh, let me tell you something. I'm, you know.

[B]

You know.

[C]

And of course, you know, you didn't get the girl and you.

[B]

No, but Johnny always had a twinkle in his eye no matter what he did.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, if I'd had a twinkle in my eye, can you imagine what I could have done? I had twinkle.

[A]

Imagine if you had just one eye.

[B]

Yeah. And it twinkled.

[A]

We heard a story about Peter Fall. Peter Falk today to drop his eye and picking it back up.

[B]

Michelle Hurt's dad was in Shadows, the Cassavetes film with the Peter Falk. Yeah. So did you talk about. What was the one you mentioned? Is now the Emanuel Lewis show.

[A]

Webster.

[B]

Webster.

[A]

I tried to get off because he made a face and he crossed his arms like he didn't want to talk about.

[C]

It was. It was. It was one of those shows that I shouldn't have done just because it really kind of. And you guys were pretty. You guys are really good about that, you know, you didn't want to, like, cross contaminate shows.

[B]

I've done it.

[C]

No, no. You've never done a data.

[B]

No, no, I have done.

[A]

Oh, you did Wharf on Webster. Yeah, in makeup. Oh, that is Westboard.

[B]

Do your makeup.

[A]

Who did your makeup?

[C]

I think it was Jerry Quist.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Jerry Quest.

[A]

And Paramount had to give you to give them approval to use you, I would imagine.

[C]

I think it was a Paramount.

[B]

It was Paramount. Yeah.

[C]

So they thought, wouldn't it be funny one of those things? Wouldn't it be funny? And I did it. And I was. I was so sorry.

[B]

Did you and Emmanuel Lewis wind up hanging out after that? Nick Adele go hanging out? Yeah.

[C]

No, I couldn't fit in his house.

[B]

Ooh. Oh, dear. I get it. Oh, I get it. Very nice. Well, I want to ask you a couple things.

[A]

You.

[B]

You said you played Wharf on Next Gen.

[C]

I thought this wasn't going to be Star Trek.

[B]

It's not. But you are. You do have the, you know, the 284 episodes. Yeah, 290. Wow. You've done 290 episodes and five movies and five features of Star Trek more than any other person. Wow, that's impressive.

[C]

And still don't have a penny.

[B]

Yeah, well, poor thing, you know, you spend it all.

[A]

If only you got married a couple times and had some kids talking about marrying. Oh, this is.

[B]

We didn't know that you were married and we've known you for so long.

[C]

That is not true.

[B]

Who knew? You're married now, right?

[C]

No, that is Jennifer.

[A]

Jennifer Joseph is your wife.

[C]

That is not true.

[A]

There's a long biography.

[B]

Remember when we went to the wedding? We had the. Jennifer and Michael's wedding. I don't know. What'd you give them? Did you give them a nice gift?

[A]

I did a toaster.

[B]

Yeah. That was really nice of you. You know what? And I gave them one of those ovens. Yeah. And I.

[C]

They didn't really go on.

[A]

Okay, we'll let that one go.

[B]

But what happened? How is that.

[A]

Is that out there?

[B]

We were shocked when we read this.

[C]

They just made it up. Yeah, it's the Internet.

[B]

Do you know her, actually?

[C]

Oh, yeah, no, no, we went out for.

[A]

Oh, that happened with me, with Deborah Lee Scott. Oh, you said I had been married to her.

[C]

Yeah. No, no, no. They. They just put anything there. She and I went.

[A]

And she never denied it.

[C]

Oh, well, you know, I haven't talked to her in him since years. Shall we call her Divorce?

[B]

No, she

[C]

was. She was. She was terrific. A great singer. A really good singer. Yeah. And we went. We flew out to Colorado because she was doing those. Those chitlin circuit shows, you know, like, like Tyler Perry did, you know, where. You don't know this, but it was a whole thing where they go into different towns.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they would put on these shows and it would always be black, you know, full black cast. And it would end up being about, you know, you know, you know, not being a man and not, you know, and really, you know, you got to take care of your kids. And then it was like very religious overtones and stuff like that. And she was, she. She was the. The bad woman or the. The. The woman who was. Shouldn't have been around, you know, and it was hilarious because I'm in a theater and I was with my buddy's wife and we're in a theater, all black people, and they're going, oh, yeah. You know, and doing all this stuff and they're you know, and all of a sudden. And you shouldn't be with that woman. And here she comes down the aisle. The black women were going, mm, mm. No girl, no. There she comes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Hilarious.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

It was so funny.

[B]

But she's a blonde. She's a little blonde. Yeah.

[C]

She's not little. She's.

[B]

Oh, no. Because of the pictures. Well, you're very large. I was very large then because she looks very small. We did a deep dive and found pictures of the two of you.

[A]

We thought, wouldn't it be weird if you came on this show and you told us that you had been married and we've known each other intimately for 40 years?

[C]

You guys. If I had been married, you guys,

[A]

we would have known.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We would have been invited.

[C]

We would have gone to the wedding.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I figured.

[B]

Yeah. I thought I was just one invited, you know.

[C]

No, no, Brent, you and Johnny, you don't know this, but I like my girlfriends. Whenever I'm dating somebody, Brent will come up with something.

[B]

Oh, don't do it.

[A]

I can't.

[B]

I can't do that. I love it already.

[C]

I can't do that one.

[A]

I love it already.

[C]

But I was dating this Russian girl, and. And. And I get a call. I'm sorry, I can't. I can barely do it. And he goes, hello.

[B]

Hello, Michael.

[C]

This is Angela.

[B]

Angela. That was her name? Angela, Yes.

[A]

I love this already.

[C]

He was like, I can't do all of it.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

But he goes, yeah, well, let me tell you something. I will stick my foot so far up your ears, you won't know whether you're coming or. Or goodbye.

[B]

Every time you date someone.

[C]

Every time I date somebody.

[B]

Oh, man.

[C]

The last one. Janice.

[B]

Yeah, you don't want to go there.

[C]

Probably the funniest. But I can't do it.

[B]

No, you can't say what? I said you can't. Because you know what? It was apropos. Even though it was inappropriate.

[C]

It was apropos.

[A]

Yeah. But you don't want to do that.

[C]

Totally inappropriate.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I admit that.

[C]

But it was very funny.

[B]

Well, you know. So you have really impressively managed to write, direct, produce, and star in your own film.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's really quite an accomplishment.

[C]

Thanks.

[A]

And it's a wonderful film. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but the script is great. It's. It's. I actually called it Kubrickian. Kubrickian in its tone.

[C]

Kubrick.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Takes place in a spaceship and strange things occur.

[C]

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, tell us about this, because it's coming out soon and it stars Michelle Heard. Yeah.

[C]

Marina Sirtis.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And myself.

[A]

Good lineup.

[B]

Good lineup.

[C]

Yeah. We. It.

[B]

It.

[C]

The genesis of the whole thing was I. I wrote a western and I wanted to get it done and. And it made its little rounds and people liked it and, you know, but it was very hard in those days. They weren't doing westerns.

[B]

Right, right.

[C]

Like, come on. And so the only way that. That I thought I could, you know, make an inroad was to do something, a small film, so that the powers that be can say, okay, well, at least we know he can do that. And there's a chance, you know, they'll.

[B]

Yeah. That. Yeah.

[C]

And so. And it was. It was an easy thing because we have such a big following, you know, Huge following.

[A]

Smart to do a genre that they.

[C]

Genre. Yeah, yeah. And. And Michelle and Marina, of course, just kind of lend it to the. To the story. And it's a. You know, it's a real character piece, but it just came together beautifully. Special effects and the editing and. And the people that worked on it were just.

[A]

Yeah, but what. Are you kidding out? Is it done? Is. It. Is that.

[C]

We're doing. We're doing the. The sound.

[A]

You're going to London to do the final mix.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You shot it in London, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a very odd thing that you. You couldn't shoot it here.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You just couldn't afford it.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know.

[B]

You know, I wish we'd thought about it earlier because. Well, because by the time, you know, this. This show is edited and, you know, ready to go, it'll be sometime in 2028.

[A]

Come on, Eric, you can pick it up.

[C]

I'll be dead.

[A]

Aren't you gonna do a screening for us? Isn't there going to be a screening?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Date. Tbd. Tbd Date.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. We should be finished at the end of this month. Excuse me? End of May.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Will be finished.

[B]

So right now you're seeking distribution.

[C]

Yeah. But there's two companies that are going. Yeah, just.

[B]

We'll take it.

[C]

Yeah. We'll show it.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Yeah, it's exciting, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, it was really exciting. And the thing is, Michelle was. Was. Was fabulous. And it was.

[A]

I'll be sure to tell Marina.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And Marina was. I mean, just. I mean, they really, like, stepped.

[A]

Well, come on. But, you know, you cast, well, wonderful actresses.

[C]

Oh, yeah. And the thing is that I thought that Michelle got. Doesn't get the. The. The credit that she deserves. I just thought that she kind of. She kind of was a little lost in Picard in a way.

[A]

Well, until you showed up. I told the story earlier about when she was supposed to be drugged out in her bed and all this stuff. And I said, the makeup and hair. Can we do some. Make her hair greasy or put some more makeup on?

[C]

It was.

[A]

And you said, Frank's.

[B]

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny.

[C]

It was pathetic.

[A]

She's too pathetic.

[C]

Because Johnny comes up there and he goes, you know, I was, you know, the thing is. And I could see what he was trying to say. He was trying to say, you're too beautiful. And in those days. In those days, these. You can't.

[B]

Right.

[C]

So he was, you know, I just don't. Ed, Michelle's going, what does he want? Everybody's looking around. I'm going to just tell her she's just too fine.

[A]

It was so great.

[C]

She goes, oh, yeah. But. But I gotta say. Oh, she was just.

[A]

Rafi Brent brought up an interesting point with her, that she was the one who survived from the original cast of Picard after the first.

[C]

That had to be.

[B]

Well, she said she had survivor's guilt.

[A]

Yeah. And she had a postmortem at her house with that cast. It was. That was. Got to be complicated.

[C]

Oh, my God. And they didn't tell him or. No, they did tell him.

[A]

It was handled badly in some weird way. You know what we didn't touch on at all, which I think we should before we. Is the Ted stuff with Seth.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, did you do one of those? Two of those.

[C]

I did one. I did Ted two.

[A]

TED two. Seth has been very good to all of us.

[C]

Yeah. And he's a wonderful director.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, he doesn't waste time and he knows his stuff. And he was very the. I read the script and at the end of the day, I think I may have told you this. You know, I'm supposed to be Patrick Warburton's gay lover.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Warburton.

[C]

Husband.

[A]

Husband.

[C]

And. And one of this, the script says, you know, at one point he full on kisses him.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I went,

[B]

you didn't want to do that.

[C]

I couldn't do it.

[A]

And I would have been on him like a bum and a poor child.

[C]

And so I called Seth. I go, you know, I think it's funny. I really like it, but I just can't do that, you know? And I said, he's a handsome guy.

[A]

Don't get me wrong.

[C]

Don't get me wrong. And. But he wrote something different. It was pretty fun, but it was great.

[B]

Well, you know what my favorite thing you've ever done is? I mean, of all the work you've done, my favorite character you've ever played, and I told you this one time, you just don't remember. I said, this is the best thing you've ever done. Do you remember what it is now?

[A]

Anthony.

[B]

No, what's Anthony? Oh. Oh, in the theater. Yeah. No, I mean, he was fine. Well, I didn't see him at play. Anthony.

[A]

It was great. It was in Florida.

[B]

Yeah, he was.

[A]

I did.

[B]

Oh, you did.

[A]

I'm a real friend. I was also at the wedding, by the way.

[B]

I gave the bride away and I can't find her. Yeah. You flew to Florida for that?

[C]

No, he was there.

[B]

He was in Florida. Yeah. No, no. I am Weasel. I am Weasel. Do you remember?

[A]

No.

[B]

It's a series. An animated series he did, and he played Weasel. Fantastic. So funny. Anybody here remember I am Weasel?

[C]

No, I am Weasel.

[B]

Nobody remembers.

[A]

Is that how he talked?

[C]

And he talked like this. Yeah. Little tiny thing. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it was good.

[C]

Do you know who said the same thing? Who, in a not a great way, is Rene Auberjonois?

[B]

Oh, is that right?

[C]

Yeah. He says, you know, Michael, I didn't. I didn't think you were that good until I saw you on I Am Weasel. And I went, thank you.

[A]

That's coming from the rat tattoo guy to me.

[B]

When I told him, this is the best thing you've ever done. You went, oh, thanks. But he was really funny.

[C]

As long as you can't see me, I'm good.

[A]

You've done a bunch of voiceover gargoyles. You were on Spider man, you know, Transformers, Arrow. We.

[B]

I mean, they're doing Gargoyles again.

[A]

You know, we've heard that rumor for 10 years.

[B]

No, no. I was told this morning that's right. They were going to do Coming down

[A]

to play Puck again.

[B]

Well, I could see if I can find that.

[A]

Is it the live action or is a.

[B]

No, it's another animated series.

[C]

I got a question for you guys.

[B]

Yeah, Have.

[C]

And I. I talked to you about it. Have you ever. Have you ever. I. I haven't seen it, so I'm. I can't judge it. But have you ever seen the vitriol that's coming out for Star Trek Academy? Yeah, I mean, it's. I've never seen anything like that.

[B]

Well, you can watch the show.

[C]

I haven't seen it. So, you know, it's like. And people like it. You know, it's not a.

[A]

It's gone. The weird Sad. I've said this on record before. The saddest irony, of course, is that it's the 60th anniversary of the franchise that has brought all of us together, and it's the only time in decades that there hasn't any Star Trek in production.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which seems.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Strangely inappropriate.

[B]

It does. There was something. Oh, yeah. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. You're a vegan, is that right? How well I know.

[A]

Oh, man. In fairness to our fans, we should tell him them all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We go to a con. The best part of the con, often is the dinner on Saturday night. And when we go to dinner, invariably we go to the Capitol Grill or we go to a steakhouse. We go to, you know, so we have. Everybody can pick something from the menu.

[C]

The best barbecue in St. Louis.

[A]

The best barbecue in St. Louis. And Dora says, okay, fine, I'll go there, guys. And then, you know, they come around to the table, any special food thing. And he said, well, I'm a vegan. And nine times out of 10 they said, oh, yeah, we got you covered. And they bring him.

[B]

Same thing.

[A]

French fries or Brussels sprouts with nothing on them.

[C]

Put nothing on it.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad. Yeah, you got. But for years, you've been so accommodating. Seafood tower comes out, steaks on both sides of it.

[C]

I went to Foga de Chao with Marina.

[B]

That's all meat.

[C]

Oh. And you know, Lavar is eating and the bones are piled up. I'm going, you know, you could actually make another animal with the bones if you wanted to make a little, you know. Yeah, it was.

[B]

I went to one of those places with Shatner and Gary and Shatner and I. I don't eat meat, as you know, but I'm not a vegan. But shot or he ate everything. I mean, it was like, you have any more of those sausages? You know, it was just.

[A]

And then he ordered one of each desserts. Always.

[B]

He always.

[C]

Didn't we go to a meal in Germany or someplace, Bill? Yeah.

[A]

Yes. Frankfurt, probably at one of the Fed cons. Oh, when we were by the water.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We've had a lot of meals together.

[C]

I've been a vegan 20 years.

[B]

20 years.

[C]

20 years.

[B]

And you feel better, right?

[C]

Oh, tons.

[A]

Look at him.

[B]

Yeah, he looks great.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How's your tennis game?

[C]

Fantastic play this morning.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I've seen photos, like, of all of us, you know, in gatherings we've. We've had. Because we. We actually, for many years, we always had a Christmas.

[C]

Yeah, Christmas party.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And you look at those pictures and he's the only one that looks exactly the same. We've all, you know, changed a little bit. But Dorne, it does not. It's the same guy in every picture. And. Yeah, it's.

[C]

It's really not me.

[B]

No, I mean, some of them, you're happier than others. Remember, you were particularly happy in the one where Jennifer was with you.

[A]

I knew we were calling her back.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I felt coming back, it was like it was hanging.

[B]

We will never leave the Jennifer story, man.

[A]

Ditch pie.

[C]

Jennifer Joseph.

[B]

Jennifer Joseph. Should we call her? You know what? If we only we had a phone

[A]

on, we could have given her a call.

[C]

I actually looked. I didn't look her up, but she's doing some musical thing in Vegas, like the Jennifer Joseph Show.

[B]

Oh, really? She's got her own show.

[C]

You know, we'll be there.

[B]

We're gonna be in Vegas.

[A]

You go to August show.

[C]

Hey, you guys gonna go with me to the vegan restaurant in Vegas?

[B]

I would like to, but we just can't do it. No, no, the, the, you know, we're going to give them a shout out. The Crossroads. Right, Crossroads. But Crossroads is a vegan restaurant here in Los Angeles.

[A]

We used to go in one of Melrose. Great burger.

[B]

Yeah. And the food is actually quite wonderful. But they, they have a restaurant in Vegas now, Crossroads, and they do a Sunday brunch buffet. Oh, and for a hundred dollars or something.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or I don't know how much it costs.

[C]

You look at it, you go, oh, my God, I'm going.

[B]

Because they have everybody everything, Bacon and eggs and, you know, and it's all vegan. It's. None of it's real.

[A]

He's got a great place that we go now on Purvita.

[C]

Yeah, Pura Vita.

[B]

But did you go to Crossroads finally? The brunch. The buffet?

[C]

No, I never did.

[B]

Yeah, because he called me and he says, hey, look at this. You know, and I looked it up and he says, let's go to this buffet. And I said, but it was Sunday morning. It was Sunday. But. But also I said, yeah, but you don't eat that much. How much are you going to eat? You don't need all you can eat. That's what it was. It was all you can eat. What a waste of money. You're going to eat like one helping of eggs and a couple of strips of bacon and it's like, I'm full.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, no, but it did look good, though.

[C]

Oh, it's Fantastic. Yeah. But I was. I was. I got early. The prostate cancer. That's what it was.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We all get it. All men, right?

[C]

Yeah, all men get it.

[A]

Yeah. That's what's so.

[C]

Except vegetarians. The urologist said he's never seen a vegetarian with prostate cancer.

[B]

Isn't that interesting? Yeah, yeah. Now they tell me. Yeah.

[C]

Now, yeah.

[B]

What about pescatarians? Do they get it?

[C]

Oh, all the time.

[B]

Yeah. What are friends for? Darn. Thought I was crazy.

[C]

In fact, I think.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[C]

I don't want to, you know.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Well, do we have anything else for Dorney? Do you guys back here, you have a question for Dorney? These are our guests. We have in the. In the.

[A]

Oh, yeah, there's a new thing.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, we will see if they.

[A]

This is a brand new part of the show.

[C]

Have like a little spotlight on them. Yeah.

[B]

What's your name? I'm Ruby. Chicago.

[A]

Ruby from Chicago.

[C]

Yes. So, Michael, if Brent and Jonathan took

[B]

a week off from hosting and you

[C]

were the host for a week, who would you want to be your guest host and. Or your co host and your guest?

[A]

Oh, good question.

[B]

Nice.

[C]

Co host.

[A]

Here we go.

[C]

Probably Michelle.

[B]

Michelle heard.

[C]

Michelle heard.

[A]

She was fabulous.

[C]

Yeah, she's. She's. She's really good. She's really good and. And incredibly passionate, you know.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

And the guest there was a guy that I met, well, two guys. He directed Star Trek and wrote the Wrath of Khan. Nick Meyer.

[A]

Nick Meyer. He's still with us.

[B]

Brilliant guy.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Shakespearean scholar.

[C]

And. Oh, and he. Not only Shakespearean, but Holmes. He's a.

[B]

He wrote Sherlock holmes. He wrote 7% solution.

[A]

7%.

[C]

7 and a half, but something before that.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Before that with. With Christopher Plummer.

[B]

Oh, right, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I'm in the movie that you did.

[C]

Huh?

[A]

Was Plumber in the Star Trek that you did?

[C]

Yeah, the last one.

[B]

You've worked with both the Plumbers.

[C]

I work with both the Plumbers, yeah. Yeah. And the second guest is. There's a guy I met just recently who was the producer on X Files. And the reason I liked him a lot is that it was like, you and I, we love those old movies. Yeah. I mean, we were talking about that, you know, like, at a high intensity. And he was. He was very interesting. Both of those guys would just be.

[B]

We'll have to get those people on our show. Thanks.

[A]

Before Michael does.

[C]

And Nick was. Nick had all of these stories. Oh, I'm sure he wrote, directed that apocalyptic with Jason Robarts.

[B]

I don't know that.

[C]

The day after.

[B]

Oh, the day after, yeah.

[C]

He directed that.

[A]

Jason Robards.

[B]

Yeah. Wasn't Fred Astaire in that?

[C]

No, that's.

[B]

That's on the Beach. On the beach, yeah. Same. Same movie.

[C]

Same movie.

[B]

Basically.

[C]

So good. So good.

[A]

You guys didn't get to cinephile out too much today.

[B]

No, no, we can do that. I mean, Dorney is a huge cinephile. I know. He's watched every film. Not watch. Pardon me. Memorized every film.

[C]

Well, how did. What's his name? Dude. Sleeping. Oh, he's suffering thunderation chants mine. Just beginning to work. And he. See what he's done to himself. Well, tain't pretty.

[B]

That's. That's Rio Bravo, right? Yeah.

[C]

But Brett and I talked about. And I saw it. I had to see it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Key Largo.

[B]

Oh, Key Largo. Oh, Key Largo's so good. Edward G. Robinson is so great in that movie.

[C]

We said that when you first see him, he's disgusting.

[B]

He's in the bathtub.

[C]

He's hot and he's in a bathtub, and he's just.

[B]

No, no, no.

[C]

And funny. The guy on Turner Classic Movies. Yeah, he was. They're doing Key Largo and they had this guy. I forgot who it was. And he says, oh, you know, John Barrymore. He. Lionel was doing it, and he had. Didn't have the starring role. He had a. He says, do you think he felt bad about that? I went, are you kidding? He's had some of the best stuff on ever. You know, whenever G. Robinson is, the storm is going on and, you know, and Edward G. Is getting all weird because he can't shoot the storm. And.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And Lionel goes, hear me. He's praying out loud. And it's just.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What's her name? Claire Trevor. Won an Oscar.

[B]

Claire Trevor, supposed to be the shortest performance to ever win an Oscar, but I kind of think Beatrice Straight in network may have been a shorter part.

[C]

Well, they said it wasn't the length of the part she wanted because she sang this song.

[B]

She sang a song? Yeah.

[C]

And it was horrible. And ever G. Robinson and the guys

[B]

are going, he's cruel to her.

[C]

And he goes, okay, I've sang the song, now give me my drink.

[A]

Nah.

[C]

She goes, but you promised.

[A]

Nah.

[C]

You were terrible.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He's so ugly in the film and just fantastic.

[C]

Yeah. So anyway.

[A]

Yeah, so we'll have a screening.

[C]

If we finish, and it looks like we're going to be finished, like, right. Then I may stay and have a screening there for the cast and crew.

[A]

Right.

[B]

In London.

[C]

In London. And then I come back here and I've already talked to a guy at Warner Brothers and they have a place.

[A]

Perfect.

[C]

And I think it's going to be friends and family. It's not going to be a. Yeah, yeah. A premiere. It's going to be a screening.

[A]

So would that. That includes us then?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, when you have the screening, I only invited. I hope Jennifer will be there.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Never gonna stop.

[A]

Never.

[C]

Let me say something. Jennifer is probably turning around. She didn't know what's going on.

[B]

Let me say right now, I loved it. Michael Brent, Good.

[C]

May I say something? Yeah. I'm afraid.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because you're. You're the toughest.

[B]

Oh, no, no.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

[B]

You think? Yes. Well, then I'm telling you right now. I loved it.

[A]

I love.

[B]

So don't ask me again.

[A]

I loved it too.

[C]

Michael, you gotta say, you know, Jennifer, Joseph could have played that.

[B]

I know.