Once We Were ALL Spacemen with Nathan Fillion & Alan Tudyk

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dropping Names ...and other things

Episode: "Once We Were ALL Spacemen"

Hosts: Brent Spiner & Jonathan Frakes
Guests: Nathan Fillion & Alan Tudyk
Date: February 26, 2026

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Overview

This episode of "Dropping Names ...and other things" brings together two legendary Star Trek: TNG stars, Brent Spiner and Jonathan Frakes, with sci-fi fan favorites Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk. The conversation is a lively, affectionate, and hilarious celebration of decades in Hollywood, the deep connections forged on and off set, “spaceman” solidarity across iconic franchises, and how these actors have shaped – and been shaped by – their devoted fan communities. The episode is rich with untold stories, mutual admiration, backstage mishaps, and plenty of playful ribbing.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. "Spacemen" Bond Across Generations and Franchises

• The group immediately riffs on their collective time as “spacemen,” noting the odd kinship that connects actors across sci-fi franchises.

  • Nathan Fillion: “The fact that we're all hanging out here, I'm having a… a prolonged moment, and it means a lot to me.” (02:30)
  • Playful teasing about ages and costumes: “We're a lot older than you.” (Brent, 02:49)

• Costume discomfort is a recurring theme.

  • Brent Spiner: “I hated my spacesuit.” (03:16)
  • Nathan Fillion: “Everybody hates the spacesuit... You never had to wear a spacesuit.” (03:18)

2. Origin Stories and Crossing Paths

• Tales of chance encounters and first impressions, often long before working together on set.
  • Alan recalls waiting tables for Nathan and his girlfriend, only realizing the professional connection years later on Firefly. (18:40–19:37)
  • Nathan tells a story about running into Jonathan Frakes after getting his first “spaceship” (Firefly), a full-circle moment of sci-fi succession.
    • Nathan Fillion: "You don't know me. But not for nothing, I just got my own spaceship."
      Frakes: "Mazel tov." (21:10–21:41)

3. Fan Encounters and the Power of The Moment

• Conventions are discussed as meaningful meeting grounds for fans and actors:
  • Brent Spiner: “If you actually looked up and you had a little moment... sometimes you can see if they're in pain or in trouble...there have been...people who are really in a very, very precarious position when they come to your table.” (37:33–38:29)
  • Alan Tudyk: “It's the moment that's important. And that's what I hope I'm able to give them.” (38:29–38:53)
  • Stories about signatures, eBay, and verifying autographs in person with a grin.

4. Career Serendipity, Auditions, and Missed Chances

• The “bat again” mentality: even with fame, the audition grind never fully stops.
  • Unknown: “There hasn't been... a moment where... now you got the ticket to ride... it's always like, we're gonna let you bat again.” (41:05–41:28)
  • Alan on losing and regaining roles, sometimes after being told he was “too charming” for a racist character in “42.” (42:27–45:16)

5. Name-Dropping and Showbiz Camaraderie

• True to the show’s title, the actors trade stories about working with (and sometimes just being awestruck by) legends like Helen Mirren, Sandra Bullock, Jim Brolin, Barbra Streisand, Tom Hanks, Ted Danson, and William Shatner.
  • Alan Tudyk on Barbra Streisand: “She was with J[im Brolin]... I would have been on the part—well, opportunity missed...” (31:17–31:21)
  • Brent Spiner on conventions and cameos: “You find a cameo that works, a shtick, and you just have a shtick. And they feel like it's the first time they've heard it.” (36:46–36:52)

6. Directing and Creative Control

• The shift from acting to producing, writing, and directing:
  • Brent notes directing “V,” grace under pressure with actors like Morena Baccarin during “alien birth” green screen scenes. (40:03–40:16)
  • Alan Tudyk describes the demands and anxieties of directing his own show “Con Man” (40:38–40:54)
  • Nathan Fillion: “It’s not something I’m cut out for. But you do a lovely...” (40:21)

7. Showbiz Anecdotes and Inside Jokes

• Stories range from being fired as waiters to tales of being mixed up with other actors:
  • Alan gets mistaken for Jason Bateman (33:19), and Nathan describes the bittersweet oddity of being someone’s “wrong Ryan” in “Saving Private Ryan” (34:04–34:56).
• Extended bit on the infamous “ding” bell for every name dropped; friendly debate over whether it adds or detracts.
  • Nathan Fillion: “For those of you who don’t love the bell, learn to love it. Open your hearts. You’ll miss it when it’s gone.” (25:17–25:32)

8. Legacy, Influence, and Mutual Admiration

• Alan and Nathan reflect on the ways Brent and Jonathan shaped their aspirations:
  • Alan Tudyk: “Your show was the show that we were just in... there was an aura around all of you.” (12:23–12:52)
  • Nathan Fillion: “I have been entertained by you guys for so many years. You have no idea what a big deal you both are to me…” (59:57–60:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Aging in Sci-Fi:
  Brent: “We're a lot older than you.”
  Nathan: “There's that, too.”
  (02:49–02:50)
• On Con Moments:
  Brent: “It's the moment when you look up and you look at them and they're so thrilled that they've waited in line because the whole line's real.” (38:07–38:29)
• Heroic (and Hilarious) Story Time:
  Alan on Nathan intervening during a potentially dangerous encounter on a street in Dallas:
  “Nathan steps in front of this guy, takes the hand that's got the bottle in it, and says to him, 'Don't do this. Walk away. Walk away now.'” (08:35)
• On Shakespeare and Stage Fright:
  Nathan: “I, that's. I, I fear Shakespeare.” (49:06–49:11) Brent: “I do too.” (49:10)
• On Fan Service, Video Shoutouts, and Cameos:
  Nathan: “I invented that bit that day when you asked me [for a video for Alan’s mother-in-law], and I've done that bit now whenever somebody asks me.” (36:04–36:36)
• On Hollywood Near Misses:
  Alan: “He was a failed actor.” (20:35–20:36) – describing the manager who fired him from waiting tables.
• On the "Once We Were Spacemen" Podcast:
  Alan: “How about the knockoff of the original series theme song at the opening of your show?” (57:09) Nathan: “Do I like it?” (57:23) – playfully.

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Highlights by Timestamp

• [02:30] — Nathan Fillion’s “prolonged moment” of joy hanging out with Star Trek legends.
• [03:16–03:18] — Costume gripes: “I hated my spacesuit.”
• [08:35] — Alan’s story of Nathan’s "action hero" real-life moment.
• [21:10–21:41] — Nathan’s first meeting with Jonathan Frakes as new spaceship captain.
• [31:17–31:21] — Alan’s missed Barbra Streisand opportunity.
• [34:04–34:56] — Nathan’s “wrong Ryan” story from Saving Private Ryan, meeting Ted Danson.
• [36:04–36:36] — Nathan outlines his signature convention video routine.
• [38:07–38:53] — Brent and Alan on authentic moments at conventions.
• [40:38–40:54] — The demands of directing “Con Man.”
• [49:06–49:11] — Both Nathan and Brent admitting they “fear” Shakespeare compared to pros like Stewart and McKellen.
• [57:09–57:39] — Discussion of their podcast’s “knockoff” Star Trek theme song.

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Conclusion

This episode is a delightful, meandering journey through sci-fi history, showbiz struggles, convention culture, and the friendships that sustain careers and create community. Fans are treated to the rare pleasure of hearing their favorites relax, reminisce, and trade mutual admiration — with plenty of meta-Hollywood humor and genuine insight into the actor’s life. The recurring theme: it’s all about the moments—on set, at the table, with each other, and with their fans.

“You have no idea what a big deal you both are to me.” – Nathan Fillion (59:57–60:03)

“It's the moment that's important. And that's what I hope I'm able to give them.” – Alan Tudyk (38:29–38:53)

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Transcript

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[Brent Spiner]

87.

[Nathan Fillion]

Is that all?

[Brent Spiner]

87.

[Nathan Fillion]

We started and wow.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I mean, we had four episodes.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, exactly. Confession time. I'm having a moment right now. The fact that me and my buddy that. I can't believe I'm hanging out with this guy. When I met this guy, I thought

[Brent Spiner]

that's what happens with a movie star on our show.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Like my waiter.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

The fact that we're all hanging out here, I'm having a. A prolonged moment, and it means a lot to me.

[Brent Spiner]

That also seemed, when we were talking about that this was kind of the ideal foursome because of the. Your relationship's very similar. Our relationship. Your careers are not dissimilar. We have a shadow of a hair

[Nathan Fillion]

of what you guys have experienced.

[Brent Spiner]

We're a lot older than you.

[Nathan Fillion]

There's that, too.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, well, you are.

[Brent Spiner]

You can tell by.

[Nathan Fillion]

But what you guys mean to people, what you meant to we. When I was in college.

[Brent Spiner]

Wait a minute. Was your favorite character, too.

[Alan Tudyk]

Of course.

[Nathan Fillion]

You had everything going for you.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You had no challenges

[Brent Spiner]

except the space suit.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm tall, I'm handsome, and I'm good at everything.

[Brent Spiner]

I hated my spacesuit.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm number one.

[Nathan Fillion]

Everybody hates the spacesuit. I hated my spacesuit. You never had to wear a spacesuit.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I had a. I didn't like one of them. I had a high water. I had not.

[Nathan Fillion]

You got to wear, like, the onesie.

[Brent Spiner]

They ever had the stirrups where they pull you down there up here? That was.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And you guys had shiny shoes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, we had. We had boots.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

We had boots.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Okay.

[Alan Tudyk]

That had straps underneath.

[Nathan Fillion]

Did they have traction, the boots? Did they have any grips? Did you just slide around those curtains?

[Alan Tudyk]

They had rubber soles on.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, they had traction.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Course.

[Brent Spiner]

We had rugs on our ship. Do you have rugs on your ship? That was so weird. All the halls were carpeted.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

The bridge was carpeted. We.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

We had sharp metal grates. Yes, you could.

[Brent Spiner]

That's what the Klingons all had. Oh, you must have been on a Klingon.

[Nathan Fillion]

That was exactly right. We had those weird.

[Alan Tudyk]

Those weird.

[Brent Spiner]

Where the light comes through and it looks cool when the light shred. Red light.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Underneath the dropping names and other things. Where the whiskey flows and the laughing sings Pull up a single Join the game of bread and Johnny.

[Nathan Fillion]

I think you have to put that in front of your. I don't want to. I don't want to micromanage this thing.

[Brent Spiner]

Talk about stealing. Yeah, we wanted the name once.

[Nathan Fillion]

We were really.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, we wanted it when I read it. I said to Brent, we were in the process of developing this, if you will. I said, the name is gone. That would have been perfect for us. I mean, it's genius.

[Alan Tudyk]

Do you guys license that name by any chance? Oh, my God.

[Nathan Fillion]

Here's a story. So we came up with the name. We were so happy. We finally came up with a name, and we thought it fit, we thought. We were very, very happy we didn't buy the website. Oh, shit.

[Brent Spiner]

Does somebody have it?

[Nathan Fillion]

So some fella out there, his name is Doug, grabbed it, got in touch with us and said I could sell it to you. Here it is. Please take it.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, really?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, he could have very easily been the Doug that says, cough up some cash. He was not that Doug.

[Alan Tudyk]

How unusual he was.

[Brent Spiner]

He. I.

[Nathan Fillion]

You know, what we sent him was a complete scent of Funko Pop. Firefly. Figures.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

So if a guy named Doug comes to you and wants you to sign it, just throw him a bow.

[Brent Spiner]

You guys have fun.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I got a bunch of those.

[Brent Spiner]

Second edition.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

So you have two of each of you?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, there was the first one.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Now we've got the new one and

[Nathan Fillion]

yeah, with the complete cast, you know.

[Brent Spiner]

How many of you got.

[Alan Tudyk]

I have two.

[Brent Spiner]

But how many boxes do you have?

[Alan Tudyk]

How many what?

[Brent Spiner]

How many boxes do you have boxes of available?

[Alan Tudyk]

I think I bought a thousand of them.

[Nathan Fillion]

What?

[Alan Tudyk]

I think I bought a thousand of them.

[Brent Spiner]

He's gonna sell them at the Cross at his table.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, I mean, you know, because the people come over with them and they've just bought them from someone at some point, you know. Ridiculous.

[Brent Spiner]

Prince eliminating the middleman with the Funko Pop.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly.

[Brent Spiner]

Alan Tudyk and Nathan Fillion are with

[Nathan Fillion]

us today, ladies and gentlemen.

[Alan Tudyk]

There they are.

[Brent Spiner]

Thank God you're here. Hey, everyone. What's the worst? Spaceman?

[Alan Tudyk]

You know, I have one of those things where, you know, how they verify your signature. Yeah, there's a. Usually a booth at the conventions where you can take that you sign something for someone and they take it over and verify your signature. So we've, we've started to verify our own signature. I mean, the person is standing in front of us and they will get a verification that it was me who actually signed.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes, I've had this experience, yes.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Really?

[Alan Tudyk]

You want to say, well, you know, your lying eyes or you have to have this because you can't possibly know.

[Brent Spiner]

Can I take a picture while you're signing?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Because it's going to go on ebay. And I didn't know that that's what they were saying when they said, would you make it out to ebay? Yeah, I didn't put it together.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly. Before we start grilling you, I have a Nathan Fillion story, please. Okay, so, Nathan, and this is the first time we met, and I've reminded you of this once before, but maybe you'll remember it clearer than I do. But surely you will. Let's watch. As a matter of fact, so far, so good. We were at a convention. You were there in Dallas. You came to dinner with most of the Star Trek cast, and you came to dinner with us. And afterwards we decided, well, it's nice out, let's walk.

[Brent Spiner]

Just walk back to the hotel.

[Alan Tudyk]

To the hotel.

[Brent Spiner]

Salt Lake City.

[Alan Tudyk]

I think it was Dallas, actually.

[Nathan Fillion]

I was trying to remember what city it was, so I'm glad you.

[Alan Tudyk]

I believe it was Dallas. So we're walking back and it was. It was a bit of a distance. It wasn't just around the corner. We thought, we'll go for a nice walk. And we're walking, and suddenly this guy appears out of the darkness. And I think he had a bottle in his hand. May have been a weapon, but. But a bottle can be a weapon too, right? Yeah. And he's like, you know, I want to kill you guys. And really, like, aggressive. And I was hanging back, sort of. Nathan was sort of hanging back, and you guys were sort of already kind of in front of us when this guy showed up. And I, of course, said, please don't hurt me. Something like that. Mr. Crazy Person, please, you know? And Nathan steps in front of this guy, takes the hand that's got the bottle in it, and says to him, don't do this. Walk away. Walk away now.

[Brent Spiner]

And it's like a movie.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, it was amazing. It was like the Rookie or something.

[Brent Spiner]

Did you really do this?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, I. I remember someone coming up and just being very, very up in the face. Up in the face. And I remember kind of taking his energy, just kind of redirecting him, saying, this is the way you want to be, walking out this way and just kind of directing him away from our

[Alan Tudyk]

crowd, but he continued to stay there and threaten. And you were like, you don't want to do this. You want to leave right now. And about that moment, two police cars with the lights going, pulled up, jumped out, grabbed the guy, grabbed Nathan. No,

[Brent Spiner]

you saw that one coming.

[Alan Tudyk]

Grabbed the guy. And Nathan is going, see, I told you. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so rare.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm right. I love the story.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. It was heroic. It really was.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And do you have cops always watching you, whatever city you're in, ready to just step in?

[Nathan Fillion]

And they're always like a block or two away, just watching real close.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

We got to be. We got to take care.

[Brent Spiner]

We got to take care of our own now.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That's so cool.

[Alan Tudyk]

They were actually background.

[Brent Spiner]

I have an Alan Tudyk story.

[Alan Tudyk]

Okay.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, you know how when you're scrolling through and you're watching tv and you're with your partner, whoever you watch TV with. I watch with my wonderful wife, Jeannie Francis. Ding.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

And we're out of. You know, Diplomat is over.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Great.

[Brent Spiner]

She said, what about that show? And she sort of whispers, what about the Resident Alien show that I love so much? I said, sure. And I said, well, we've seen. She said, I don't care what episode it is. So we turn on season three, episode six, or we turn on season two, episode 10, and she settles in. And then you'll do something all fucking unhinged and take on either pre robot or post transition.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right, right.

[Brent Spiner]

Vocally, physically. And she looks at me, said, he surprises me every time I watch this show.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Wow. Wow.

[Brent Spiner]

And she's been acting a long time.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Brent Spiner]

And this is dead serious. You are her. Go to.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

What?

[Brent Spiner]

I swear I was waiting to tell you on camera.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Wow, wow, wow, wow. That's very nice.

[Brent Spiner]

It's true. And Also, Robbie, Duncan McNeil is like a brother to us.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And I've seen he gets a bell.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, does he ever.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah. He was our producer director. Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

But the choices, of course. You're famous for being a robot.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I am.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, we both are.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

About time.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. If we're in a room together, it creates a vacuum generally. But fortunately, not today. But, yeah, we are the sort of face of AI.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I actually had a lookalike, too. Came to me to say, hey, would you want to do the voice for our in home robot? And I said, absolutely not. Dude, are you kidding me?

[Alan Tudyk]

You wouldn't consider passing my number along? Yeah, you never know.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I gotta say. My guess is they're gonna steal it.

[Nathan Fillion]

You would go from being a household name to being the voice of a household.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I don't think I want to do that at all.

[Alan Tudyk]

At all.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

At all.

[Brent Spiner]

You don't need that money.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That is.

[Brent Spiner]

That's dirty money.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah. I don't want to be involved with those people.

[Brent Spiner]

I'm so impressed by you. What about you again?

[Alan Tudyk]

If you could pass my number along. I'm not saying I'm gonna do it. I just. I want to be able to say no to.

[Brent Spiner]

Sure you do.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I don't know. I think you must have been the first. You are the OG for me because I was out of college. Out of my first college.

[Brent Spiner]

Juilliard.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

No, Little college in Texas.

[Alan Tudyk]

Ron Morris Junior College. I know that.

[Brent Spiner]

We've done our fucking research.

[Alan Tudyk]

Listen, man, I know all about you. Wow.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Wow. Wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

I am.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Well, I was hanging out with Some. I had friends from there who I met there, and we were living in Dallas right after that for a couple of years before then I went to Juilliard, and your show was the show that we were just in. And, well, I think we would just. Again, we. We would take your characters and then create on top of them. Like. Like, we. There was an aura around all of you because.

[Brent Spiner]

Was Data your favorite character even then?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes, he was.

[Brent Spiner]

He was my.

[Alan Tudyk]

You know, I think of Alan as a son.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It's because of all the breastfeeding.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly. Let me ask you about Lon Morris Junior College. Let me just say.

[Brent Spiner]

Is that Plano or El Paso?

[Alan Tudyk]

It's Tyler, Texas, actually, isn't it?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I mean, Lon Morris is. Is. Yeah, it's right near Tyler, Texas.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. They're famous for their Tyler roses. I'm from Texas. I'm. I'm from Houston.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, wow.

[Brent Spiner]

We can get Houston.

[Alan Tudyk]

But I had a lot of friends who went to Lon Morris before you.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes. When it was still good. Probably.

[Alan Tudyk]

It was good at the time. They had. They're wonderful actors.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah. Oh, good.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. My first girlfriend went to Lawn Morris, and she grew up to be on St. Elsewhere. Oh, and Cindy Pickett.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Marco Martindale came.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right.

[Brent Spiner]

She's coming on the show.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, really? Yeah. We love Margot.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

She came and spoke to our class when I was there. And then I ended up doing a movie, 28 Days, with Sandra Bullock.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, yeah, we love Sandra Bullock.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. Did you call her Sandy?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Sandy, yeah. Also, Viggo Mortensen was in that movie. Marianne Jean Baptiste.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Nominated for an Oscar. Wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

28 days later. 28.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Just 28 days.

[Alan Tudyk]

28 days.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

About rehab.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yes, yes. I remember.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

No zombies. I was. Yeah. Oh, and Loudon Wainwright.

[Alan Tudyk]

The Third. The third. Wow.

[Brent Spiner]

One of my heroes.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, good. Right. I sat next to this. He's a. He's a folk singer. And I sat next to him in the van on the way to work. And he was just. He was called Guitar Guy. He was mute. Was his role. And he would play songs sometimes.

[Brent Spiner]

He was on MASH occasionally.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Really? Like the original mash. Yes. Holy smokes.

[Brent Spiner]

He's famous for Dead skunk in the middle of the road. But he's.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That was his first Rufus Wayne Wright son.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

He was married to One of the McGarrigle sisters.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

First of all. There we go.

[Nathan Fillion]

What's the record for Dings in a. In a.

[Alan Tudyk]

We're going for. We. We figured that out at the end of the scene. We're going to tabulate them All. And the winner gets another pack of gum.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, good. All right.

[Brent Spiner]

The comments have been mixed on the.

[Alan Tudyk]

On the ding the bell.

[Brent Spiner]

I'm very strongly in favor of. Of course. Because I've got the string right.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, well, yeah, a lot of people don't like the bell. A lot of people do.

[Brent Spiner]

You know, you had some famous people with you on Dropping Names, Trumbo. Yes. Were you in there a long time to get some of these guys on camera here on the bell? Helen Mirren.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Helen Mirren was there?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Is she with you?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I worked with her one day.

[Brent Spiner]

All right.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

One night. She was in the. She was somebody who's. I had so little to say to her, except just go. Because I think. Yeah, I like you. She was.

[Brent Spiner]

Still love her, though.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Have you seen her in 1920? Is it 23 this year? 1923 with Harrison Ford.

[Alan Tudyk]

But you know what. What's the series she did with Tom Hardy this year? And.

[Brent Spiner]

And, oh, she's a mob boss.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah. Mobland.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Mobland.

[Alan Tudyk]

Great show. Yeah, thank you, Steve.

[Brent Spiner]

Was Bryan Cranston in there?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Bryan Cranston was in there.

[Brent Spiner]

He's got a nice career.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Absolutely. Yeah. He's. He does very well. He was very nice.

[Alan Tudyk]

You've rubbed some good shoulders.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I have. I. Yeah. And that was one of my jobs, though, was rubbing shoulders. I was.

[Brent Spiner]

I just didn't.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Tried to get on Helen Mirren. And that's when.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, that's when hr.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, that's where I was. The restraint.

[Alan Tudyk]

Nathan, I want to ask you about Edmonton a little bit. Aren't you from Edmonton?

[Nathan Fillion]

I am. I'm from Edmonton.

[Brent Spiner]

Pride of Edmonton. He's got a building named after him or a street or a children's center or youth hostel.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's a bench. Yeah, it's a bench.

[Brent Spiner]

Lavar has a park named after him in Sacramento.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's a bench. They're calling it the Nathan Fillion Civilian Pavilion. It's a bench on White Avenue and it's painted vermilion.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, come on.

[Brent Spiner]

How many times have you told that joke?

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow. It's real. Really?

[Nathan Fillion]

It is a real thing. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Have you ever been to Lingnan? What did you call it? Chinese restaurant.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, no.

[Alan Tudyk]

Lingnan in Edmonton. No. Oh, it's an amazing place. They have a TV show, the restaurant does, and I stumbled into it accidentally. I wanted some Chinese food and I walked in and it's one of those places that's like lanterns everywhere. It's like. And chop suey instead of fancy stuff, and. But they have a TV station, a show they actually won an Emmy of some sort. And it's like Pawn Stars in a way, in that it's a family, and it's all about the family who run the restaurant, make the food, and then they do a show.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's been a while since I've lived in Edmonton, but this might have been before my time.

[Alan Tudyk]

Put this on your list, Ling Nan. It's still there.

[Nathan Fillion]

Done.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, we were there and it was snowing and it was awful, and I. And I asked, can we. Can you call an Uber for us or something? And they said, well, we'll take you home. And they brought the car around and took us back to the hotel.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's service.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. So think about it.

[Brent Spiner]

It's so Canadian, isn't it?

[Nathan Fillion]

Very Canadian. I know that's very Canadian.

[Brent Spiner]

Speaking of your Canadian roots, do you know his brother Jeff? He's really the better Fillian, my brother.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That's what Jeff always says.

[Brent Spiner]

Well, he said it. And then it turns out when you spend a couple of years evenings with him, he's right.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Nathan's great.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

I mean, nothing against you.

[Nathan Fillion]

No, thank you.

[Brent Spiner]

You'll know the same thing.

[Nathan Fillion]

Listen, I. I get it. You get well liked.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

It's a great human being.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Just by your parents.

[Nathan Fillion]

I. I don't prefer. Yeah, he's clearly the favorite. But I will have him come visit. We'll go do some event or something, and he'll be like, my. My plus one. I'll take him to something and I'll lose him entirely and think, oh, my God, where's my brother? Do I have to? Oh, he's surrounded by 10 people over there. He's got more friends than I do at this event. I don't know what he.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't know.

[Nathan Fillion]

Doesn't live here.

[Brent Spiner]

Should we talk about Firefly for a while?

[Alan Tudyk]

Why not?

[Nathan Fillion]

Can I tell you a Firefly story?

[Brent Spiner]

Please.

[Alan Tudyk]

And that's. Did you guys meet on Firefly?

[Nathan Fillion]

No.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, right. No.

[Alan Tudyk]

No one. Yes, one.

[Brent Spiner]

No.

[Nathan Fillion]

I used to attend a Fantastic. Not so fantastic. But it was. It was. It was a little divey restaurant for. For burritos called Harry's Burritos. And when Alan and I met on Firefly, we realized that he was my waiter at Harry's Burritos.

[Alan Tudyk]

Where is Harry's?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It's no longer.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, it was on Broadway.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It was on Columbus.

[Nathan Fillion]

Columbus.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Between 70th and. No, 71st and 72nd.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It was quick. Kind of crappy Mexican food. Mainly there for margaritas. It was a big tournament. Burn them kind of Situation. You want to get those tables in and get them out. And Nathan was a nice guy who would come in with my girlfriend. I had deemed her my girlfriend and it turned out that she was. I allowed her to sleep with Nathan. And we didn't.

[Nathan Fillion]

She was otherwise encumbered. Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

But that's how I knew of him. Was the prettiest girl in the world's boyfriend.

[Brent Spiner]

Was this Juilliard days?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes. And after. After I was doing it my third year on was how I made extra money. And then once I left school, it was. It was my last. No, it was almost my last paying job. I got fired from Juilliard from.

[Brent Spiner]

From the Harry job.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

Do you remember why?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, because I was working too much in acting and I. And I didn't get my.

[Brent Spiner]

Couldn't get your hours covered.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I couldn't get my shifts covered.

[Nathan Fillion]

And you had a promising career.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I know.

[Brent Spiner]

I went.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I was so angry. I went around the guy Ron, who got me fired, who fired me, went over his head to the manager and said, you need to hire me back. This guy's insane. Make me your swing. Let me just come in and work and I'll pick up all the other people who need ships covered. And he said, you're right, Alan. You're good for that. And then Ron went above his head to the owner.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And got me re. Refired.

[Nathan Fillion]

He really didn't like.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

He was a son of a. And then when I went, huh, he

[Nathan Fillion]

was a failed actor.

[Alan Tudyk]

He was.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, right there.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

How'd you know?

[Nathan Fillion]

Because that's what.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That's always that he was almost on Starsky and Hutch.

[Alan Tudyk]

Almost was as Starsky or Hutch?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Wow. I can't even imagine it. He was now.

[Nathan Fillion]

But here's my Firefly story.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sorry.

[Nathan Fillion]

Still in New York.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

This is. What year do we do that? 2002. 2000.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

2004 we shot the pilot. Okay, so 2002 we shot the pilot.

[Nathan Fillion]

2003 we did the early aughts were in New York. It's the. It's the Fox up fronts. They do a little dog and pony show. They bring some of. Hey, here's all the. To the media buyers. Here's all our.

[Alan Tudyk]

Our fall liners.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Remember those things?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. And after we had. We're all high because, you know, nothing but possibilities in front of you.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Bless all the weed.

[Nathan Fillion]

And they took us to a lovely restaurant and we're what to. To celebrate in this nice little celebratory dinner and in the vestibule by the hostess Stand. This giant man comes walking out, and I stopped him and I said, you don't know me. But not for nothing, I just got my own spaceship. And he said, mazel tov. And that man was Jonathan Frakes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

What? Really?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Ding.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I mean, really.

[Brent Spiner]

That was the guy played Riker.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's him.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, that was him. Wow. Had you. You just come from Harry's, hadn't you?

[Nathan Fillion]

Harry's burritos.

[Alan Tudyk]

Really?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

He just. He just happened to be in that.

[Brent Spiner]

So we.

[Nathan Fillion]

And his lovely wife, Jeannie Francis. Ding.

[Alan Tudyk]

Please.

[Nathan Fillion]

Was. They were walking out. I recognized her from my. My soap days.

[Brent Spiner]

Weren't you on One Life?

[Nathan Fillion]

No, I was. I was on One Life to Live.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. You were a Buchanan, right? I was.

[Nathan Fillion]

I was the Buchanan.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I mean, wait a minute.

[Nathan Fillion]

I was the best Joey ever.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, the best Joey. But what about the.

[Alan Tudyk]

The Asa.

[Brent Spiner]

Asa Buchanan.

[Alan Tudyk]

Asa Buchanan.

[Nathan Fillion]

He was my grandfather. He was a. He was a neat man.

[Brent Spiner]

Salt of the earth on that show,

[Alan Tudyk]

who had been a western star.

[Nathan Fillion]

He and John Wayne used to work together.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly.

[Nathan Fillion]

Used to tell me stories. Thank you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Please. He had series. Yeah, western series. Yes. Like 60s and. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'll never forget when I kind of first got on the show and I was going to get a bagel at the little commissary. We had a little area for coffee and bagels.

[Brent Spiner]

They got nothing like that now in this.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, right. They won't do that.

[Brent Spiner]

There's no crafty.

[Nathan Fillion]

Phil Kerry was there getting his coffee, and I said, good morning. How you doing? He goes, yeah, I'm good. How are you? He was always kind of a, you know, had the kind of a cranky Persona. And I said, I'm living in New York City. I'm on a soap opera. It's my first job ever. I'm loving life. Life is incredible. I'm doing great. He go, yeah, that's what the last Joey said.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, man.

[Nathan Fillion]

And I cracked. I cracked up. I couldn't. It was so good. And he goes, yeah, you're all right, kid.

[Brent Spiner]

And.

[Nathan Fillion]

And that was my first interaction with Phil Carey. And he took great care of me over the years.

[Brent Spiner]

He was a.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

He was.

[Nathan Fillion]

He had a gruff Persona, but he was a kind man. He was a kind man.

[Brent Spiner]

Hardest acting job in the business.

[Alan Tudyk]

Did you ever do one? I did One Life a couple of times.

[Nathan Fillion]

I did.

[Alan Tudyk]

What years? Well, I don't want to go there, but it was before color.

[Nathan Fillion]

Gotcha.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, no, I was there with Judith Light.

[Nathan Fillion]

Okay.

[Alan Tudyk]

She was playing a. A. Well, somewhat of a. Of a call girl. Or something like that to make some extra dough. I can't remember exactly, but I was one of the guys usually.

[Nathan Fillion]

Why you dogirl thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

I. I was this nerd, real stretch and. And I was paying for her services. We had this lovely scene, went great. But that was Christian Slater's mother, Mary Jo Slater, too.

[Brent Spiner]

She was casting today.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. So then they brought me back a year later to play the same character. And my scene with her was, I want to give you the money back. I mean, I want to pay you because you're so nice. No, she wanted to give me the money back because I had been such a nice guy and. And she dropped a tear. It says every time, every take, every time they did it. Camera side tear. Yeah. It was a phenomenal piece of work. I wish I could do that. It's always on the other side. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

A lot of incredible work being done in daytime. It's a hard shake.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

I will never speak poorly about daytime.

[Brent Spiner]

It's the hardest job for an actor in the business.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's incredibly difficult.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And you've done them as well.

[Brent Spiner]

I was on the Doctors for years.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

A few.

[Brent Spiner]

Couple of years, yeah. I played a very troubled Vietnam vet, child beater.

[Alan Tudyk]

The time I did One Life. One of those two times. Kathy Bates was one of the other guest stars. Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

The actor who plays Q, John, he

[Alan Tudyk]

was Days of Our Lives.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Lives.

[Alan Tudyk]

I knew from that. Oh, he was brilliant on Days.

[Nathan Fillion]

We need a longer string.

[Alan Tudyk]

Arlene Sorkin, they changed.

[Brent Spiner]

Is that the problem?

[Nathan Fillion]

You just need a longer string that you can just hold that.

[Alan Tudyk]

You people, I.

[Brent Spiner]

What do you think of the bell so far? I'm love.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm a fan.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I'm a fan, too. I don't know how audio, how sound

[Brent Spiner]

is loving it, but the peanut gallery

[Nathan Fillion]

out there, I just think for those of you who don't love the bell, learn to love it. Open your hearts.

[Alan Tudyk]

You'll miss it when it's gone.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alan Tudyk]

And it will be gone.

[Brent Spiner]

Have you ever heard my story about being a waiter in New York?

[Nathan Fillion]

Let's go.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh.

[Brent Spiner]

It was on Amsterdam in 76th street at a French restaurant. I was working lunches. I mistakenly opened a bottle of

[Hayden]

Howdy Howdy ho. And welcome to Fantasy Fan.

[Alan Tudyk]

Fellas.

[Hayden]

I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Brent Spiner]

Hei Hei.

[Stephen]

So each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

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[Brent Spiner]

Beaujolais on a woman who had a white linen suit on and it landed in her lap and it was a scene. It was a horrible, horrible scene. And I was embarrassed and the owner was embarrassed and we'll dry clean your clothes and all. And a couple of days later, I was on the stoop after my shift and I said to the. To the owner of the place, I said, you know, I gotta work nights here because I'm an actor and I gotta go out and pound the pavements. And he said, you're not good enough

[Alan Tudyk]

to work nights here at this restaurant.

[Brent Spiner]

You're done. And you were done. I was done.

[Alan Tudyk]

I thought for a second he was commenting on your acting.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're not good enough to be an actor.

[Brent Spiner]

Surely you're not good enough to be an actor. Then I went off and moved furniture for a living with the unfortunately named Furniture Furniture Moving Company in New York City. The Walk Up King and his trustworthy stepbrothers.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh wow.

[Brent Spiner]

1974 or five. Five bucks an hour. Six bucks if you drove the truck. Horrible job. He was a taxi driver in New York.

[Alan Tudyk]

I drove it to cabin.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Really?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Not for a long time. I do have a couple of stories, but I'm not going to bore you with them. But I did drive a cab. Well, I'll tell you what, I does

[Brent Spiner]

have one that comes to mind.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, one of the weird things about driving a cab in New York, at least it was then. Not so much anymore because really, Uber owns New York now for the most part. But all these poor guys who bought Medallions for their cars. Oh, my God. Spent a quarter of a million or more for a medallion, and they're worth, like, a dime now. But you had to go to get your hack license. You had to go to Long Island City in Queens to get and see a doctor who had to examine you. And literally, he says, take your pants down. I was.

[Brent Spiner]

I said, sounds like Judith Light.

[Alan Tudyk]

I swear, he did have a tear once. I did it. So I did. I did. He kind of looked. He went, okay, you got your license. I went, wow, that was easy.

[Brent Spiner]

You were circumcised.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

He said, the doctor will be here in a minute.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, exactly.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I've been in a lot of cabs, and I feel like the cab drivers, like, overall health is not the thing I think of. It's like their defining factor, like, you know.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Mine was my. My downside was that I didn't know where anything was.

[Brent Spiner]

So I was invited to. To Nathan's birthday party, which used to be at your house, by the way, which is where I met Jeff.

[Nathan Fillion]

Started at the restaurant, then it went to the house.

[Alan Tudyk]

It was just a lot of work

[Nathan Fillion]

at the house, so we started renting

[Brent Spiner]

places, went back to the restaurant. Restaurant. It looks like a. A old Spanish ministry place in.

[Nathan Fillion]

On Santa Monica, Like a balcony in the interior.

[Brent Spiner]

And I'm schmoozing with Nathan at the entrance, and in comes the guy who plays his father in the show, Jim Brolin.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh.

[Brent Spiner]

With a mysterious looking woman who is his actual wife. Oh, Streisand came to your birthday party. And we were at the door, able to have a quick schmooze with Barbara.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, my God.

[Brent Spiner]

Which was spectacular.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I did not know this. You've not told me this.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, my God. I have a story to tell you. She's so wonderful. She's so cool. She's so interesting. So neat. Her husband came to play my father, so. And. And my God, he was so charming.

[Alan Tudyk]

We almost dropped the Barbra Streisand part of the show. Right.

[Nathan Fillion]

She's, well, so interesting and lovely and kind and normal and an incredible storyteller.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

What's Up, Doc? Is one of my favorite movies of all time. Have you seen this movie yet?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Love.

[Alan Tudyk]

What's up, dog?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

She's. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I mean, has there ever been a greater singer than Barbra Streisand?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

She sings.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Bar.

[Sarah]

Is that.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's a talented lady.

[Alan Tudyk]

I did a movie with Jim Brolin. It's a great film. It's a classic. It's called Master of Disguise.

[Brent Spiner]

I am the master of disguise.

[Alan Tudyk]

People cherish this film.

[Nathan Fillion]

Is that with Dana Carvey?

[Alan Tudyk]

Dana Carvey.

[Nathan Fillion]

Thank you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. I am a villain in that.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, nice.

[Alan Tudyk]

Jim Brolin's in it. And one night they were going to have dinner. It was dark already, and they set up the tent for dinner. And I was walking, and a golf cart passed me. Jim Brolin's on the back of it, and he says, come with us. Come with us. And I went, now I'm going to walk. And I got. By the time I got there, they were gone. And. And they said, oh, you Ms. Barbara Streisand? She was with J. And I went. I would have been on the part with,

[Brent Spiner]

well, opportunity.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

But you got those steps in, which is really good.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's true. That's true. 10,000 that day.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, I bet.

[Alan Tudyk]

Alan, 310 to Yuma. You did this. Yes. So you got stories to tell. Which one of them was easier to get along with, Russell Crowe or Christian Bale?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, Christian Bale.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Was really easy to get along with.

[Brent Spiner]

Are you being serious?

[Alan Tudyk]

Two heavyweights.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I love that movie, by the way. It's a great movie.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I thought it was fantastic.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't remember you in it, but I do.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I was. I was. I was in the Brent Spiner role playing Doc.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right. Doc.

[Brent Spiner]

I always try to find out who you played in dodgeball.

[Alan Tudyk]

I turned that down, actually.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It's like everybody was very macho on horses, right? Be like, come on, let's go.

[Nathan Fillion]

Let's go do this.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And I go, this is Cherokee country. I think we should not take the shortcut. What are you nuts?

[Alan Tudyk]

That was the Thomas Mitchell part.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That was me.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And I get. I get killed. And one cool thing was, is we were always outside. It was western. It was in the wintertime in New Mexico. It was always very cold. The days only had so much light in them. So we kept being like, that'll be in reshoots. That'll be in reshoots. And then that reshoots list kept getting long. But the one thing that got pushed to reshoots was my death. And it happened in Hollywood. We were up in Bronson Canyon, near where the old Adam West Batman. Adam west gets. Definitely gets a boom, a bang, a ding. And where I died, I could see the Hollywood sign.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's great. Yeah. That's how you know it's the old West.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah. Richard Baylor, me going, you did it, Doc. Did you see me hit him with that shovel? Did I get him? Did I get him? He's like, you got him. Doc, we got away, thanks to you.

[Nathan Fillion]

I met Ben Foster once, and I'll never forget what he said to me. He said, I just. I think you're so good. You're such a wonderful actor. I just loved you. Interested development.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You weren't interested development, Nathan, that I

[Nathan Fillion]

get mistaken for Jason B. I wish.

[Brent Spiner]

I wish Bateman's podcast would catch on.

[Nathan Fillion]

Poor kid. Those poor guys with that poor podcast. I wish him the best.

[Brent Spiner]

I mean, the forums are a perfect example of what the world really needs, is more podcasts.

[Alan Tudyk]

But those guys are really the goat on smart list.

[Nathan Fillion]

They.

[Alan Tudyk]

They really are good.

[Brent Spiner]

But they're doing exactly what we're doing

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

right now with a little more.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, they have better guests, let's say that.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

A little more swagger.

[Nathan Fillion]

Wait a minute.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sorry. Now, does this.

[Brent Spiner]

Is this transferable that we get on your show now? Is that how this works?

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, yes, this is.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, that's part of the deal.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's legally binding. That's the vig. You have to come.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You, please. Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

And what about Saving Private Ryan?

[Nathan Fillion]

My first movie ever.

[Brent Spiner]

I know.

[Alan Tudyk]

I.

[Brent Spiner]

It's on my list.

[Nathan Fillion]

My first movie ever.

[Brent Spiner]

Years directed that movie.

[Nathan Fillion]

Mr. Steven Spielberg. Years later, I'm at an event in Monaco.

[Brent Spiner]

Of course you are.

[Nathan Fillion]

Television event in Monaco. And I'm being interviewed. And there's a little translation because we're interviewing in French. And there's a little translation coming into your ear.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Cool.

[Nathan Fillion]

And I hear them say, and next up, we'll have Mr. Ted Danson. I went, ted Danson's here. First of all, Cheers fan. My entire life, that show. I was raised on that show. That was like our family together time.

[Brent Spiner]

Ted Danson, formerly on the Doctors as well. Go ahead.

[Nathan Fillion]

And I worked with him on Saving Private Ryan. And I said, I have to go. I ran up to him to say, you're not going to remember me, but. But you were very kind to me. When we were in London, it was my first time on a movie ever. I was in Saving Private Ryan. And he looked at me with a confused look. I said, I was the wrong Ryan.

[Alan Tudyk]

He said, that was you,

[Nathan Fillion]

Nathan. My wife makes me watch Castle every week. We can't record it. We have to watch it on the night with the commercial. She won't let us miss it. That's our home night when we're home. I've seen you so many times. I had no idea that. That one.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Mary Steenbergen.

[Alan Tudyk]

Mary Steenbergen. While you were doing Castle, we happened to have dinner another time and you were doing Castle at the Time.

[Brent Spiner]

And this one's Salt Lake City.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. No, this was in Dallas. Maybe the first one was Salt Lake City. Well, anyway, my wife's mother was not well, and she was an enormous fan of Castle, and so I did the thing of a. Nathan, I wonder if you could make a little video or say hi to my wife because it means she loved you so much. And Castle was just her favorite show. And without a beat, Nathan grabs my phone, says, come with me. We go outside. It was like this brilliant thing he did for her, and it made her so happy, she never forgot it.

[Nathan Fillion]

I invented that bit that day when you asked me, and I've done that bit now whenever somebody asks me, can you do a little video for me? I go, what's the bit where I have Brent start the video? I just say. You just start saying hi. And then I interrupt it as, hi, I'm Nathan Fillion. You may know me from such shows as Nice. And then I wrap it up after a nice little message, and I'll say, now I'll give it back to Brent to say goodbye. And as Brent starts to say goodbye, I interrupted again. Yeah, say, I thought the goodbye would be better coming from me

[Brent Spiner]

in a moment.

[Nathan Fillion]

I invented that when it works.

[Brent Spiner]

Do you do cameos?

[Nathan Fillion]

I haven't done those yet.

[Brent Spiner]

Do you do cameos?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I did them for. Yeah, for a. A charity thing.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah. So you find a cameo that works a shtick, and you just have a shtick.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

And they feel like it's the first time they've heard it. Obviously, like any good joke, and you've given the pleasure, as you do, to people.

[Nathan Fillion]

Here's a question for you. You two do the conventions.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, do we?

[Nathan Fillion]

When these people line up and they just have a moment with you, just trying to give them a connection for the bit, there's only so many connections you can have. Do you recycle those connections? Do you say, oh, to, like, every fifth person, you start over, say, no,

[Alan Tudyk]

I like to say something original to each person, something personal, something that will make. No, I don't have the intellect. You know, I don't know. They don't really want to talk to me.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, that's. I think the value that we all have at the conventions is that when you look them in the eye and you make that contact with them, that's what they didn't come for the autograph. They got that from it. But if you actually looked up and you had a little moment and you can see sometimes what your show meant to them, or you can Sometimes see if they're in pain or in trouble. And there have been, I'm sure you've all experienced people who are really in a very, very precarious position when they come to your table.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And then you.

[Brent Spiner]

Some people who. They're sort of working through their list or there because their kid wants you, you know, and you can. I find that I can sort of judge now the amount of time and psychic energy that you want. And sometimes you're just tired. But in general, it's the moment when you look up and you look at them and they're so thrilled that they've waited in line because the whole line's real. I mean, the thing about it is

[Alan Tudyk]

it really is a population. The moment. If you could give them a moment. That's everything. It's the picture, the signature. How many times have people walked away and left the picture? Because that's really. It's the moment that's important. And that's what I hope I'm able to give them a moment. I know that there are people who think I've given them a bad moment, but that's never my intention.

[Nathan Fillion]

That dinner that you were talking about in Dallas, we were in a steakhouse in a private room off to the side. Our waitress came in, laid eyes on this guy and clearly had a moment, took his drink order and then left. And the rest of us are going, I guess we don't get a drink. She comes back in, lays eyes on this guy, has another moment and leaves again. I'm going, this is gonna be a long night. I think Marina finally said something. She said, yes, honey, we're all here. We're all on Star Trek and we're all old and we need a drink.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sounds like Marina.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, that's very Marina.

[Nathan Fillion]

Michael Dorn was there.

[Alan Tudyk]

You were there with the girlfriend du jour?

[Nathan Fillion]

I think I was there with my best friend and manager, Michelle Chapman.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, is that right?

[Nathan Fillion]

She's often mistaken for my girlfriend because

[Alan Tudyk]

she's gorgeous and wonderful.

[Nathan Fillion]

You introduced her as your girlfriend for clout.

[Alan Tudyk]

Were you there?

[Brent Spiner]

You weren't there.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I was not, no.

[Brent Spiner]

Did we see Jewel at a lot of the cons?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes, I wish.

[Brent Spiner]

Mirena Baccarine's career is going better.

[Nathan Fillion]

My God, Everything she touches, she's having a fantastic.

[Alan Tudyk]

She really is.

[Nathan Fillion]

God bless her.

[Brent Spiner]

I ball with her on V. Did you do V as well?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I did.

[Brent Spiner]

She birthed on V alien babies.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, she did?

[Brent Spiner]

She said, thank God. I trust you, Frank, because this is. You directed? Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, how cool.

[Brent Spiner]

It was all green Screened. And she was pretending to give birth in front of green screen over a pipe under her. It was horrifying experience.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're a great director.

[Brent Spiner]

Do you direct at all?

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't.

[Brent Spiner]

He should.

[Alan Tudyk]

It's a gift.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's not something I'm cut out for. But you do a lovely.

[Brent Spiner]

You choose not to do you direct?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I directed some.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah. You did Resident Alien.

[Alan Tudyk]

Did you?

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah. How'd that go?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It was very difficult.

[Nathan Fillion]

No, he did an entire series. He did Con Man.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Brent Spiner]

I thought Con man was a co pro.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You guys co. Produced.

[Nathan Fillion]

Co produced it. But I didn't direct any of that. I was working.

[Brent Spiner]

Did you script that?

[Alan Tudyk]

Huh?

[Nathan Fillion]

He wrote everything. He directed everything.

[Brent Spiner]

And it was about the cons.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, yeah. And then season two I got. There were extra. Other writers, which are fantastic.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm so jealous. I've been jealous of everything you've done.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm going. The same line goes through my head, why wasn't that me?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I bet you're the same. Like this. This morning I was auditioning for something and it's like that always like there. It's not a. There's not. There hasn't been in my career anyway, a moment where there's a lot of just like. And now you got the ticket to ride. It's always like, we're gonna let you bat again. Yeah, we're gonna let you bat again. And it's like you just try to get a piece of the ball.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Any little piece of it.

[Alan Tudyk]

I mentioned coming back on the show of. I read about actors who are circling apart.

[Brent Spiner]

Circling apart.

[Alan Tudyk]

I've never circled apart. I'd love to circle apart, but no, it's like you gotta get in the batterish box and swing again. Yes.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And that.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Hopefully get a piece of it.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Like you say, they're always weird.

[Alan Tudyk]

Ex.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

They're always weird. They're always odd. 1442.

[Brent Spiner]

The.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

With Chadwick Boseman.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Oliver Shellum.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Brian Helgeland, who wrote and directed that. Also Harrison Ford's in that.

[Alan Tudyk]

Was he Branch Ricky?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes, he was.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

And you played a character that I didn't know from the.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

Ben.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Ben Chapman.

[Brent Spiner]

Ben Chapman.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

A terrible man. Terrible racist. In a movie of Racist. He was the worst racist.

[Nathan Fillion]

You would go out and apologize to the background before you did your scene

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

because there were people in the stands. I'm like, everybody, you're going to hear me say things. Please know that this is all part of the script and I'm not my apologies beforehand.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, you were offensive.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

It was awful. It was. It was a hard role. But, Brian, I did a Knight's tale with him, and he came, said, I want you to come in for this role. I'd love for you to play this role, but you have to audition. And the reason I want you to play is because you're funny. And he's a horrible person, But I feel like a lot of these racists, they do it out of humor. They think they're funny. And I want you to be kind of a charming, charming, racist person. And so I was like, okay, I auditioned.

[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy, ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan.

[Alan Tudyk]

Fellas.

[Hayden]

I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Nathan Fillion]

Hei.

[Stephen]

Hei. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

News flash. I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find Fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And I got done. And day went by. Two days went by. No word. I'm like, oh, there's something's up. I get a call from Brian. He's like, can you come back in? I'm so sorry to ask you to come back in. Just make him a little meaner. Less charming.

[Nathan Fillion]

Charming.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Make him meaner and a little bit more of a villain. And so I went back in and

[Nathan Fillion]

I did a version of the Race is too likable.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, this is the problem with. With me.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Can't help yourself.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You know, and what a. What an actor. Predicament an eyebrow pencil and make freckles So I look real cute across my nose and that. So I took that off for the second audition and I got a call from Brian. He's like, it's not going to happen, man. I'm so sorry. The producers are. They want somebody who looks like they're evil from the minute you step on screen.

[Brent Spiner]

You do? Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You. Thank you.

[Brent Spiner]

I.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Well, thank you. And he said, I can't fight this fight or else I'm going to use all my fighting up right now. So I was like, okay, fine. I went out to New York. I was doing a little clown play with Orlando Pabotoy, who's one of the most brilliant clowns on the planet. And I got a call from him and he said, guess what? The guy that the producers picked up chose something else. He was circling another role and he chose that one and dropped out. And he's like, so now I get what I want circled back to your story. So, like, that's when I think about roles that I don't get and stuff. It's like, maybe it'll come back. You never know what happens? Something.

[Alan Tudyk]

Did you know there's a musical version of the Jackie Robinson story now? Yeah, I can't remember. It's called something like the Jackie Robinson story, but maybe it's 42. I can't remember what the name of it is, but it starred.

[Brent Spiner]

42 is already taken, though.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, but this is before 42.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

David.

[Brent Spiner]

No, I was thinking of 40 seconds in living color.

[Alan Tudyk]

David. Three names.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Foster Wallace.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Huh? No, no, no, no.

[Brent Spiner]

David Pierce.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, wrong David. Wrong Three name. David.

[Nathan Fillion]

David Ogden.

[Alan Tudyk]

Styles. David Allen Greer.

[Brent Spiner]

David Allen Greer, yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

He played Jackie Robinson and what's his name?

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, my God. See this?

[Alan Tudyk]

No, I know, I know. I had it just a second ago.

[Brent Spiner]

Does this happen?

[Alan Tudyk]

Darren McGavin played Branch. Ricky.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, and it didn't last long, but it was good.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

What they needed was Ben Chapman in

[Brent Spiner]

there, a really likable racist.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Bench said the worst things right in front of writers who were in the stands on those days going, he just said this and this and this and this and this and this.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Sir Patrick. He's there on this book.

[Alan Tudyk]

I.

[Brent Spiner]

We read it.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You read the whole thing?

[Brent Spiner]

Brett and I both read the whole thing.

[Nathan Fillion]

I read the book in his voice.

[Alan Tudyk]

I do, but we. Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

I haven't seen him in ages. Go ahead.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, I didn't. Never mind.

[Brent Spiner]

Please, please.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, Johnny, no, not today.

[Brent Spiner]

Have you met Nathan before?

[Alan Tudyk]

I've met Nathan, yes. I had dinner with you in Dallas, I believe now that was my Ian McKellen. I get them mixed up sometimes when

[Brent Spiner]

Ian McKellen and Sir Ben are together. Sir Patrick are together.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. It's when he says, I'd like you to be my friend, Ian McKellen. Thank you, Patrick.

[Brent Spiner]

The old jokes are the best.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, he. He was doing MC Macbeth on Broadway.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And I came in from Australia and I had to see it. I only have one night to see it. And I got a ticket that last just that night. And so it was front row, very front row center. And because it was from Australia, I was jet lagged.

[Brent Spiner]

You fell asleep.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Fell asleep. And I woke up to Sir Patrick Stewart staring at me.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, no, no.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Doing his lines right to me.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, I know that feeling.

[Nathan Fillion]

I remember you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Did you go backstage afterwards?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I didn't make it. I left at intermission. I'm like, I need to leave. I want to get myself gone from here.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, in case you haven't read it, it's very good. It's a, it's well written. He wrote every word himself. And it's, it's quite a good book.

[Brent Spiner]

I, I thought he was talking about Macbeth.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, he wrote Macbeth as well. You know what, speaking of Macbeth, how

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

was he, by the way? That was great.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, he was excellent. Excellent.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Did you ever see it?

[Alan Tudyk]

Sandwich while he did the speech.

[Brent Spiner]

God, he was great.

[Alan Tudyk]

You remember that? And not speaking of Macbeth, but speaking of Shakespeare. You've done a Shakespeare film?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes, I did.

[Alan Tudyk]

I did.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's my one crack at Shakespeare.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Dogberry.

[Nathan Fillion]

I was dogberry.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's a great part.

[Nathan Fillion]

I, that's. I, I fear Shakespeare.

[Brent Spiner]

I do too.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's hard, I fear.

[Brent Spiner]

Especially when you work for years with

[Nathan Fillion]

Patrick and then you see people do it. Well, that's what I got to contend with.

[Brent Spiner]

Did you see Syrian on Colbert? Stand up and get that.

[Alan Tudyk]

Fantastic, Breathtaking. Did a great speech. Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

A prescient speech.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

How does he have that? I guess he learned it a long time ago and it's just there.

[Brent Spiner]

It's like bad show lyrics that I have in my head, right?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Like David Alan Greer that I have in my head.

[Nathan Fillion]

I saw a live improvised comedy Shakespeare thing in London. Just these young fellas doing live improvised.

[Alan Tudyk]

Patrick's worked with them and he came

[Nathan Fillion]

in that night, we have a special guest and Patrick Stewart walks on stage.

[Alan Tudyk]

He's great with that.

[Nathan Fillion]

He nailed it.

[Alan Tudyk]

What? Very funny.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's. Oh my God.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Faking Shakespeare and was it funny?

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm looking around going, everybody, you see this, right? Everybody sees this. Yeah, it Was incredible. What?

[Alan Tudyk]

What a show. I did a production. Well, not a production of. What's the play that you did? Oh, it's Much Ado about nothing. Much Ado? Yeah, Much Ado. I did a reading. The LA Shakespeare Festival out here run by a guy named Den. Ben Donenberg. Brilliant, wonderful guy. Very smart. Yes. Knows his Shakespeare.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

You don't have to brush up your Shakespeare when you meet with him.

[Alan Tudyk]

You do. He puts together a staged reading of a play once a year. I don't know if he still does it, but he did it for years. Yeah. And the last one, I did three of them. The last one I did was Much Ado. Tom Hanks played Dogberry. Yeah, it's going to be ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Well, let's just do one big ding.

[Nathan Fillion]

We can add him in post.

[Brent Spiner]

Brent hates the bell. You could tell from that read right there.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, I like the bell.

[Brent Spiner]

Go ahead.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, well, no, I don't like. But it was Tom Hanks, Helen Hunt, Ewan McGregor, Julia Roberts, Keanu Reeves, wow. Dana Carvey, Martin Sheen, moi. And it was amazing. It was amazing. But Ewan McGregor as Benedict was fantastic.

[Nathan Fillion]

Really.

[Brent Spiner]

Oh, he can be so good.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, I did one of those did you Readings and it was one that I got like the night before my manager called and she's like, remember, you have that reading tomorrow. What am I doing? I agreed to what? She's like, tom Hanks produces it. I'm like, that's why I said yes. I know I was busy and I showed up. But Tom was there. Yeah, and Cedric the Entertainer and Billy Crystal and spells or what?

[Alan Tudyk]

I mean, really, Was William Shatner there? William Shatner has done. Remember this story, Falstaff.

[Nathan Fillion]

Right.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, that was Falstaff.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

He. Well, we did Midsummer Night's Dream.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And he. He played Theseus, the. The King. And Martin Short was Puck and Martin Short, my God, he was just so funny. There's like, go get me that flower that grows on the other side of the world. That. That little speech about to get the flower that puts in the eyes of the lovers which turns them against, you know, screws everything up. He says, I will go. I will go. I will. So fast.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'll.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I will round the world three times before this, that and the other thing. Watch how I go. And he just stands there just looking around. And Shatner's like, puck, fuck. Oh, God. Right. I'm so right. I should traffic that direction probably. What time of day? You're right. Yeah, I'm gonna go that way. It was Just. He was off scripts, unhinged, cutting through the audience, doing whatever the hell he wanted. He came with a bunch of costumes he brought from home. One was a body leotard that had a penis drawn on it. It was nude. Oh, my God, it was so much fun. And Eddie Redmayne was in it. It was.

[Alan Tudyk]

He puts together crazy good cast. I think I told this story already, too, but I did one of them. I can't remember which play it was, but there was a character called of the shepherd and Tiny part, the shepherd. And Patrick had done all the Shakespeares at one point, and at some point in time, he's done every Shakespeare play. And I went back to work after doing it, and I said, patrick, have you ever done this play? And, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did the shepherd ever steal the show? Danny went, no. I said, well, I just did a. A reading of it. And every time the shepherd opened his mouth, the audience fell apart. And Tommy Smothers played the shepherd. Oh, wow. And he played him as Tommy Smothers, and it was hilarious.

[Brent Spiner]

And then on the other side of the coin, we'd be remiss not to mention the James Gunn era, that.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah, you're the next Superman.

[Brent Spiner]

What about the hair?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, that's the greatest haircut since Mo Howard. I mean, it's the same haircut. You were just hilarious in that movie.

[Nathan Fillion]

Thank you.

[Alan Tudyk]

I talk about stealing a movie. I thought you stole the movie. I appreciate you in that movie.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

A lot of people say it was the robot, but I. I heard that.

[Brent Spiner]

Yeah, I haven't.

[Alan Tudyk]

You were in that as well.

[Nathan Fillion]

I always feel I'm fortunate in being able to play roles that people like or that people like to hate. And I think this is a character. Guy Gardner is easy to judge, like, oh, my God, this guy's such an.

[Alan Tudyk]

He's such a.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's so stupid.

[Alan Tudyk]

This.

[Nathan Fillion]

People enjoy sitting in judgment. Yeah. So I always felt it's hard to make people laugh, but it's easy to allow people to laugh at you, which I always thought was easier.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, that was wonderful. But are you doing it again? Is that the story, or is it several green lanterns?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Superman that's going to film.

[Nathan Fillion]

I heard there's another one now. I haven't gotten the phone call yet,

[Alan Tudyk]

but I'm circling James Gunn.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm circling this. James Gunn has put me in every movie he's made.

[Brent Spiner]

I know.

[Alan Tudyk]

Isn't that great?

[Nathan Fillion]

Since the first movie he made.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow, Wonderful.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That.

[Nathan Fillion]

Which was slither. Which.

[Alan Tudyk]

You're right.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Great.

[Alan Tudyk]

Alan, you've been in Every Disney movie. Yes. Right.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Well, just. Yeah. Since Wreck It Ralph, I did King Candy. And who is the villain who turns out he sings Nice. It was an Edwin.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Edwin.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

You can't fool me. They said, do Edwin. And I said, okay, yes, absolutely.

[Nathan Fillion]

And you did another one in the next record, Ralph Breaks the Internet.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

A different character there. You were in Frozen. You were in Zootopia. You were in Big six and Big Hero six. Yeah. You're the bad guy. Moana.

[Alan Tudyk]

Every Disney film. Is there something we don't know?

[Nathan Fillion]

That he's the new John Ratzer?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I guess, you know, it just. It was like. Because I did. It's because I did the King Candy and. And it did really well. The movie did really well. And right after that, they were making Frozen, which was on a shelf. They're like, we got this movie. It's been sitting on the shelf for a while. And we weren't going to do it. And then we were going to do it. We're going to just do it. And they had me read, come and record for a role that they ended up cutting. And then they said, would you want to do this old guy? What do you have for him? And it was the Duke of Weselton, who's sort of the red herring character, who's a fool. A fool who has. He's come for the princesses and his. His toupee falls down. And they're like, you know. And that obviously went really well, the movie. I don't even know who said it, but I didn't stop him. They said, you're our good luck charm. As if that was the continuity of those two films, was just my voice. And I'm like, yep, yep, that's true. I've heard that's true. And so they put me in Big Hero 6, and then all of them since. And sometimes I'm just a little animal going,

[Brent Spiner]

what a gift.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Brent Spiner]

Now, is there something that you guys need to plug.

[Alan Tudyk]

Promote? Anything you guys want to talk about that we don't.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Once we were spacemen.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah. What is that? That's our piece.

[Brent Spiner]

How about the knockoff of the original series theme song at the opening of your show?

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yes.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes. Fabulous, isn't it?

[Brent Spiner]

Just enough.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes. That's our. Our buddy Carlos Sosa.

[Nathan Fillion]

You like that?

[Brent Spiner]

Do I like it?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

A great singer out of Austin. Sosa's out in Austin. He's a friend of mine from back when I had 28 days with Sandra Bullock. He came and played at a party and he and I, like, met up at this party and was like, you. He's a sax player.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

And we've been friends ever since.

[Nathan Fillion]

Nice man.

[Alan Tudyk]

Very nice.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Really good guy.

[Alan Tudyk]

Can I make a suggestion about the podcast?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yes, please.

[Alan Tudyk]

A bell. Have you thought about a bell?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

We use all kinds of.

[Nathan Fillion]

That was something. That was Alan's dream. Was. Our editors are very good about when he says, you know, we need to see. We need a little sound. Bowl some wind chimes.

[Brent Spiner]

Do it.

[Nathan Fillion]

Thank you very much.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

And.

[Nathan Fillion]

And as he says, it ends up in the mix and it sounds like it's.

[Brent Spiner]

Well, Rosenbaum suggested this to me, and I stole it from his.

[Alan Tudyk]

Don't think. We're not going to hear wind chimes.

[Nathan Fillion]

When you say good.

[Brent Spiner]

And you'll see your names dropping. You'll see these credits. And I like that. Our producer produces some really cool for us. Thank you, Eric.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I've always wanted to be a dj, I think. And this is part. This is.

[Hayden]

This.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

There's a. There's a little DJ part of this.

[Alan Tudyk]

Our.

[Nathan Fillion]

Our. Our podcast seems a little indie. I mean, it's just the two of

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

us, and we don't have all this fancy crew here. I'm wearing makeup. I'm wearing prosthetic makeup to fill in the holes. So many holes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, no. We were on a. We appeared on a show on the same day. I don't know that we had any line. We didn't have lines together. To Catch a Predator.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

I saw this episode. It was.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right.

[Nathan Fillion]

I told you that in confidence.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. No, we were on the Arrested Felicia Day's Show Guild. Oh, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

But I wasn't there the same day as you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, but we didn't work together.

[Nathan Fillion]

Exactly, Exactly.

[Alan Tudyk]

But I saw you.

[Nathan Fillion]

But it's on my resume.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Yeah, me too.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

With Nathan.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes.

[Brent Spiner]

I love Felicia Day.

[Nathan Fillion]

The incomparable Brent Spiner.

[Brent Spiner]

We love Felicia Day.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

She was a guest on our podcast as well. Yes. She's fabulous. She's really quite entertaining and energetic.

[Brent Spiner]

Should we go? Should you recommend. Recommend her as a guest?

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Oh, my God.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Yeah, she's. Yes, she's.

[Brent Spiner]

She's a gift. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Do it for a day where you don't want to do much work, because she'll just give her something and she'll

[Alan Tudyk]

go, that's what we want. Yeah. Yeah. Great. She'll drop you guys.

[Nathan Fillion]

You guys, this is. I can't. I can't tell you how happy I am for you. I can't tell you how happy I am for me. The fact that I mean.

[Brent Spiner]

Well, I knew this was going to be a good pairing. I. I didn't think you'd say yes. I thought you'd be too busy because you were shooting. I didn't really know you well enough to hock you about it.

[Nathan Fillion]

I will cancel a show for you, but not.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

Not your own show. You'll cancel like somebody else?

[Alan Tudyk]

Some Allen show. Okay.

[Unknown Male Speaker (possibly a host or guest)]

That's why we're not on the air anymore.

[Nathan Fillion]

But just the idea that I. I have been entertained by you guys for so many years. You have no idea what a big deal you both are to me.

[Brent Spiner]

That.

[Nathan Fillion]

The fact that I get to meet you guys and leave messages for your mother in law and that we get to hang out and have dinner. You came. And we're even directing Castle. And you were wonderful. At one time, I insisted if they push my call, they force my call. Instead of saying action, Jonathan had to say engage.

[Alan Tudyk]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't engage.

[Nathan Fillion]

And he did it. He did it.

[Alan Tudyk]

You guys are the best. Thank you so much. That was a blast. Really.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Brent Spiner]

I think we hit a new number.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

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[Hayden]

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[Stephen]

And I'm Steven, your bookish Internet goofball. But you can call me the smash daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

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[Nathan Fillion]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

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[Stephen]

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