Becoming Covenant Minded - Using The Covenant With Skill | Bill Winston | Holy Ghost Meetings 2026 | Tuesday AM

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Becoming Covenant Minded – Using The Covenant With Skill

Dufresne Ministries Podcast | Holy Ghost Meetings 2026 | Tuesday AM
Host: Nancy Dufresne; Guest Speaker: Dr. Bill Winston
Date: January 20, 2026

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Main Theme:

This episode dives deep into what it means to live "covenant-minded" as believers in Christ—living from the finished work of Jesus with boldness, walking in dominion, and actively utilizing the promises and provisions of our covenant with God. Host Nancy Dufresne and Dr. Bill Winston exhort listeners to move from waiting for victory to living daily from a place of completed victory, practically applying their covenant rights and faith for real-world impact, divine provision, supernatural wisdom, and kingdom exploits.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Mindset of Already Having Victory in Christ

• Nancy Dufresne’s Opening Exhortation
  • Declares believers are not waiting for breakthrough: “I'm not waiting for a breakthrough. I'm not believing for a breakthrough. I'm through. … Victory is already ours.” [00:55]
  • Stresses identity and possession in Christ: “In Christ, I have it. That's what faith talks about, what is ours in Christ.” [03:35]
  • Teaches that manifestation doesn’t make something real—faith speaks it as real now: “It's not the manifestation that tells me I'm through.” [01:30]
  • Urges active stance: “Because I already have the lands I need, because I already have the buildings I need in Christ, I just go out and scoop it up.” [04:15]

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2. Seeds, Trees, Deeds: The Growth of Dominion

• Bill Winston’s Main Message
  • Kingdom living is about moving from seed (God’s Word and faith) to trees (belief systems/identity) to deeds (actions/dominion).
  • “Seeds, trees, and deeds. … Trees represent your belief system. They run deep because we've had those beliefs a long time. … Every plant or every tree in you that the Father didn't plant, I'm going to root it up.” [14:10]
  • Deeds are meant to demonstrate dominion: “Not just any kind of deeds. These are deeds of dominion.” [18:46]
  • Roots out old mindsets through meditation and revelation.

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3. Kingdom Authority and Our Identity

• Scripture readings: Psalms 8 ("What is man... crowned him with glory and honor"), emphasis on mankind’s God-given dominion. [17:44–21:22]
• “Jesus is making it so you can function just like him. Did he still a storm? … Then you can still [the storm].” [20:30]
• God’s supply is unlimited: “God has a supply for you that won't run out. It is very, very powerful.” [13:10]

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4. Imitating God & Walking in Righteousness

• Ephesians 5:1 – “Therefore be imitators of God, Copy Him and follow His example…” [23:23]
• Righteousness gives rise to bold, effective faith: “If you're righteous and have a revelation of what righteousness means, your faith will flow like a flood.” [26:12]
• Memorable quote: “He'll make you so you don't know yourself. … God's not done with you. You got work to do, and he's got plans for you.” [24:40]

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5. Practical Application of Faith

• Principle: Faith is released and then works; you can “put faith to work and go do something else.” [27:26]
• God orchestrates circumstances in response to His Word (e.g., the governmental census facilitating Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem). [28:28]
• Use Scripture as seed for whatever you’re believing for; meditate to move from information to manifestation.

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6. Covenant-Mindedness in Real Life

• The “uncircumcised Philistines” and Abraham stories establish covenant thinking (“He’s covenant minded—be covenant minded” [39:34]).
• “It’s no restraint for God to work by many or by few. Don’t ever think you got too few people.” [41:14]
• “I want it to be stronger, much mightier than myself. Now, God's going to get the glory.” [43:24]
• Using covenant words moved the church from slow-provision to abundance: “Boom. Had $3.5 million, just like that.” [52:25]
• Angels as ministering spirits: “We are heirs of salvation. They're ministering spirits sent forth to minister for us.” [54:42]
• “How many angels do we have? … Innumerable.” [57:06]

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7. The Blood Covenant Explained

• Covenant is an irrevocable, powerful contract: “It means to cut, it means where blood flows… The most firm agreement of anything.” [59:00]
• Modern believers need to recapture the seriousness and benefits of their blood covenant in Christ.
• “If you're a small village and you get into a fight with a tribe that's much bigger… I can call on you and you will have to answer.” [61:20]

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8. Divine Wisdom and Supernatural Solutions

• God will light your darkness/countenance (Psalm 18:28, Proverbs 20:27) [68:33, 69:26]
• Winston shares real-world testimonies—e.g., acquiring a shopping mall and a bank—by moving from vision to meditation, to obtaining God’s wisdom and manifest provision. [94:03–97:38]
• “You can take a stupid man and get a smart answer. All he’s got to do is consult the great I Am.” [69:32]
• “Our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Cor. 2:5) [71:05]

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9. Questions & Practical Leadership Tips

• On acquiring a bank: “God wants you to keep moving forward. Opportunities come when you're moving forward. … I learned that there is a system of the world that has got the church fairly tied up. … God at some point wants the church to separate.” [84:37]
• When you receive a big vision: Write it down, find the scripture-seed, meditate, and keep the process in faith. [90:20]
• Dealing with opposition: Stay on God’s word, potentially let go of negative influencers—“I'll write them a letter and say this is the last time I'm coming over your house… Abraham had to let Lot go.” [91:57]
• Manifestation process example: Walking around the shopping mall, meditating Joshua 1:3, faith for impossible things, God arranging supernatural provision. [95:17–97:38]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nancy Dufresne [01:15]:
  “I am in victory because I'm in Christ. … My wholeness is already mine. I'm not trying to break through. … He is my breakthrough. I am already through.”
• Bill Winston [18:46]:
  “Seeds, trees, and deeds of dominion. … If you don't have dominion over him, the enemy's going to have dominion over you. So you got to stop him.”
• Bill Winston [24:40]:
  “God is a miracle worker. He'll make you so you don't know yourself. … God wants you to be adventurous… God's not done with you.”
• Bill Winston [41:07]:
  (On walking in faith) “I got news for you. If you go through it, I'll open it.”
• Bill Winston [52:25]:
  “It wasn't the loudness that stopped him … when I said that to [my] congregation … Boom. Immediately all the ... money came in from everywhere.”
• Bill Winston [57:06]:
  “How many angels do we have? … Innumerable.”
• Bill Winston [61:20]:
  (On covenant) “If you're a small village and you get into a fight ... I can call on you and you will have to answer … that’s the covenant.”
• Bill Winston [69:32]:
  “So you can take a stupid man and get a smart answer. All he's got to do is consult the great I am.”
• Bill Winston [91:57]:
  “If they disagree? ... I'll write them a letter and say this is the last time I'm coming over your house. I'm telling you, you gotta let them go.”
• Bill Winston [95:17]:
  “[On faith projects] God said buy the whole mall … You want to get something that will stretch your faith. … God didn’t ask you to pay for it. He said believe for it.”

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–10:30 – Nancy Dufresne’s introduction: “Victory is already ours” faith confession and setting up for Dr. Winston’s teaching.
• 11:11 – Bill Winston’s opening prayer and “seeds, trees, and deeds” (14:10).
• 17:44–21:22 – Reading and teaching from Psalm 8 (dominion scriptures).
• 23:23 – Ephesians 5:1: Imitating God—identity & righteousness.
• 27:07–29:40 – Practical faith actions; the mechanics of putting faith to work.
• 39:34–43:24 – Covenant-mindedness stories: Jonathan, Abraham, Gideon, application to real-life challenges.
• 51:36–54:42 – Angels and supernatural assistance.
• 59:00–63:40 – The blood covenant; what it means for believers.
• 68:33–72:34 – Receiving divine wisdom for solutions; real-life testimonies.
• 84:37–97:38 – Audience Q&A: acquiring a bank, dealing with vision, staying focused amid naysayers, process for manifestation, example of acquiring a mall.

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Closing Words

This message is a bold call up for every believer to operate “from the other side,” living and acting out of their completed position in Christ, walking in covenant-minded faith for impact in every sphere of life. Through rich scripture, practical wisdom, and inspiring testimonies, Dr. Winston emphasizes:

• “God didn’t ask you to pay for it. He said believe for it.” [95:17]
• “We're not taking sides. We're taking over.” [79:19]

Be bold, be covenant-minded, and take ground!

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Transcript

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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. The word says that we have been raised and seated together with him. How many of you know he is our breakthrough? I'm not waiting for a breakthrough. I'm not believing for a breakthrough. I'm through. How many of you know we're through? I said we're through. And what we do, we hold fast and we say, victory is already ours. I'm not trying to step into it. I'm not trying to arrive at it. I am in victory because I'm in Christ. Pastors, you heard it last night. There's more for us to lay hold of. Why? Because it's laid up in Christ. And we say we have in Christ. The buildings are ours. In Christ. The land is ours in Christ. The resources are ours in Christ. The businesses are ours. In Christ. My wholeness is already mine. I'm not trying to break through. I'm not trying to break through. He is my breakthrough. I am already through. I'm already through. Amen. And it's not the manifestation that tells me I'm through. Amen. I've been raised and seated with him far above. I'm already through. I'm already through. I'm already through. Amen. Hallelujah. And I hold fast. I hold fast. I'm not trying to break through. I'm holding fast to my victory that's already mine. Amen. Amen. Hallelujah. In Christ, I have it. That's what faith talks about, what is ours in Christ. In Christ, I have those missing body parts. In Christ, I have that mobility in Christ, I already have it. I already have it. I'm not trying to get to it. I'm not trying to reach for it. I'm not not trying to arrive there. I am there. Amen. And when my words talk about that I have it in Christ, it must show up. Amen. So we're authorized not to talk about what we're trying to get, but we're authorized to say in Christ, it's mine now. It's mine now. It's mine now. I'm not trying to get it. It's mine now. Amen. Hallelujah. And because I already have the lands I need, because I already have the buildings I need in Christ, I just go out and scoop it up. I make movement and I go out and I scoop it up. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I'm Already through. He was my breakthrough. He was my breakthrough. He was my breakthrough. He was. He is my breakthrough. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I'm through. I'm through. I'm through. I'm through. Through to my manifestation. I'm through to my manifestation. I'm through to my manifestation. Therefore, I can live like I'm through. I talk like I'm already through. Amen. Because in Christ, I'm there. In Christ, I'm there. I said, in Christ, I'm there. I'm not trying to get there. I'm not waiting for my manifestation. I'm talking about in Christ. It's my now. It's my now. I'm not waiting in Christ now. Faith is. It's mine now. It's mine now. It's mine right now. Hallelujah. In Christ. In Christ. In Christ. I got it. In Christ, I've got it. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Why? Because it's not things showing up that make me rich. I'm rich in him. I'm already rich. It's not properties, it's not buildings that make me rich. It's who's in me that makes me rich. And I'm living from that place. Therefore, I can get up every day and say, I'm whole. I'm provided for. I have the house I need. I have the properties I need. I have the feeling I need. I have the resources. I'm already through. I'm already through. I'm already through. Hallelujah. You know, the woman with the issue of she was just trying to touch his garment. We're wearing the garment. We're wearing the garment. We're wearing the garment. I'm wearing the garment. Amen. The anointing of God abides in me. Hallelujah. I'm in Christ. I am robed with him. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. And that's what faith talks about. I'm not trying to reach it. I'm not trying arrive at it. I am that in Christ. I have that in Christ right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. And if people think I've got to get it, that's what's keeping them out of it. Because they're not talking about that in Christ. It's my now. It's my now. Hallelujah. Turn to somebody around you and say, in Christ, I have it now. In Christ, I have it right now. In Christ, I have it right now. Now in Christ, I Have it right now. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Christ in me. Hallelujah. Turn to your other neighbor and say, I'm already through. I'm not waiting for a breakthrough. He was my breakthrough. He is my breakthrough. I already have it. I already have it. I already have it. I already have it. I already have it. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. There is no dis. There is no distance between me and my victory. My victory is in me. My victory is in me. And this is the victory that overcomes the world by faith. I say, it's mine now. It's mine right now. So I move like it's mine. I talk like it's mine. I act like it's mine. I dance like it's mine. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. And if you thought, think. I've got to go on a faith journey to arrive, you missed the whole point. Faith put you there. I have been delivered. Listen. I've already been translated. Translated into the kingdom. Into the kingdom of his dear son. I'm not trying to travel there. I'm not trying to earn that place. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there now. I'm there now. Hallelujah. You heard Dr. Winston talking to us last night, preaching to us, helping us to think like God. Because in the mind of God, you're there. It's all yours. It's all yours now. I'm not trying to reach for it, arrive at it. I'm not trying to get through something. I'm not trying to get on the other side. Jesus is my other side. Jesus is my other side. Hallelujah. I'm on the other side. And I hope the only time you never. You have no scripture to say. I'm waiting for a breakthrough. I'm trying to get a breakthrough. The word says, hold fast to that which thou hast. You already have it. And I'm holding fast that I have it. When circumstances say I don't, I say, yes, I do. Yes, I do. I have it in him, and I demand that it manifests. It manifests. I have it now. I have it now. And if you're waiting for a breakthrough, you're holding yourself out. He was my breakthrough. He is my breakthrough. And I'm on the other side because I'm in him. He's not outside on the other side, trying to it. I'm in Him. I'm in Him. I'm in him everywhere he is, even as he is. So are we now in this world. Hallelujah. When you know that you hear the word differently. I'm not trying to arrive. I'm there. In fact, I get up in the morning. I don't try to get in his presence. I'm in it. And I start talking to him like I'm in it. And I start listening for him like I'm in it. I'm in it. I'm in it. There's never a moment I'm not in here him. So there's never a moment. I'm not in wholeness. There's never a moment I'm not in provision. Hallelujah. Well, Dr. Winston's preach is in the house, so. Doctor Winston last night, lifechanging. Lifechanging. Writing things on our spirit. Hallelujah. Aren't you so grateful that he came? Hallelujah. I preached all of that so you would hear him right. I'm not trying to take his preaching time. I'm trying to get us out of a place of. I'm trying to get this. I'm trying to get that. I'm waiting for this. Know in Christ. I have it now in Christ. And that's the place we talk from faith. Talks about what you have, who you are and what you can do, because you're already in Him. I can't be any more in him than I am am right now because none of him has been withheld. Hallelujah. I'm in wholeness. I'm in. I'm in peace. I'm in joy. Amen. I'm in victory. And I hold fast. I'm not breaking through. I'm holding fast to that which I have. I have it. And I have it in Him. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. HalleluJah. Dr. Winston, you just come and deliver everything that's in your heart. We'll go with you. How is that? Give him a great big God bless you as he comes. Glory to God.

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Well, she look like she's preached my sermon already. That's just our hands of the Lord. Father, we thank you. You give you praise for this great service. Lord, we thank you so much for just showing up. Thank you for the anointing of God that gives us utterance, Lord, teaches us what to say and what to do. Lord, as we go through the Word this morning, Lord, we pray that it'll be all of you, none of me, and that this word will come forth Unhindered, unchecked by any outside force. Signs, wonders and miracles shall follow the word preached. Thank you for it. We give you all the praise in Jesus name. Can you say Amen? Take your seats, please. Hallelujah. Well, I felt like I was at a camp meeting there. Just. My Lord, my Lord, I want to thank you again for having me to come. It's. It's always a pleasure to come to this church. This is, this is an anointing church. It really is. You don't know what you got, so you go some of them places I've gone and. But this, it really, really is. Faith is the number one topic. God told me to teach faith all over the world. And he also told me to specialize in bringing the kingdom. And so I've learned a lot about this kingdom of God, this whole idea of kingdom and what the kingdom means and how the kingdom is to be displayed. It's just a wonderful teaching. So just remember you're in the kingdom and the kingdom is in you, and that the kingdom supply, supply is all you need. God has a supply for you that won't run out. It is very, very powerful. Also, I thought about this morning as I was praying. Seeds, trees and deeds. You know, seeds, trees and deeds. Remember that seed package, if you will. And in that seed package, there's. There's seeds. And as you plant these seeds, there are some trees. I don't know whether they have some of the pictures of trees, but if you'll put one of these trees up. Look at it. One of these big California redwood trees. That tree has got roots and they're deep because it's been there a long time. And some of the trees that's in us trees represent your belief system. They run deep because we've had those beliefs long time. But Jesus said something. He said, every plant or every tree in you that the Father didn't plant, I'm going to root it up. Isn't that something so you can have a big tall tree of unbelief. Yeah. And when somebody comes and tells you that, no, that's not true, you'll argue with them. I mean, you'll take them to the mat. You'll say, no, this is. I know this is true. And it's one of the biggest lies you've ever heard. Not true. You know, I can tell it's not true. You're not getting any fruit. You're not producing anything. So, you know, I just want to tell you that you want to get some seeds first. This Bible is A seed store. And then you plant it, the seeds. And it'll grow trees. But God doesn't want you to stop there. He wants you to go forward and do some deeds because you got new trees. Are you with me? So these deeds I can do. How many things? All things. Through Christ which strengtheneth me. Paul shook off a snake. Deeds. So seeds, trees and deeds of dominion. Dominion. Give me a reader from the front. From the center section. Here.

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Here.

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Come on up. Okay. Somebody to read for me. Okay. Real quick. All right. Thank you. All right. Come on. Thank you. All right. This is interesting. Look at Psalms, Psalm chapter eight, Psalm chapter eight and verse three. We'll start at three through six. Three through six. All right. Amen. You got on tennis shoes like me. Amen. Okay. All right. Psalm chapter 8 and verse 3.

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When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars which thou hast ordained.

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Keep going.

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What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the Son of man, that thou bearest him, visitest him. For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels.

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The angels see this, not angels that fly around. This is a little lower than God. Keep going.

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And has crowned him with glory and honor.

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This man. What is man? Wow. Keep going.

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For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels and has crowned him with glory and honor. Thou maddest him to have dominion over the works.

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To have what?

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Dominion.

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Seeds, trees and deeds of dominion. Not just. Just seeds, not just any kind of deeds. These are deeds of dominion. If you don't have dominion over him, he's going to have the enemy. He's going to have dominion what over you. So you got to stop him. And to do it, you've got to dominate him. Isn't that something? I think Kenyon. Kenyon's Two Kinds of Righteousness is one of the best books I've ever read. Ew. Two kinds of righteousness. Not your own righteousness, but his righteousness. And he gives you his righteousness. And his righteousness is not something that you can get more and more of it. What you get is more and more revelation of it. But the portion that he's given you is a portion you go have. But Jesus is making it so you can function just like him. Did he steal a storm? Did Jesus still a storm? Then you can still. I saw that big fire come out here in California. Well, I tell you that the people of God were in their right mind and right consciousness and right image where they could have called for water to come out of the sea and just pour down. You know what I'm saying? I knew a man one time, he said, you better get out. Get inside quickly. Cause it's going to rain. You know, God can make a ship sail on dry land. I heard that. I can make a ship sail on dry land. Okay. Excuse me. I went over to the other side. Keep reading, Keep reading.

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All sheep and oxen, ye and the beast of the fields.

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No, no, no. What? What does verse six say?

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Thou maddest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands. Thou has put all things.

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How many things? All things. Under his feet. Boy, that's. Now, understand this. What I'm giving you is first information. Then you've got to do some meditation. Amen. Because something's going to come forward after you've done meditation called revelation. And then manifestation. Same process, everything. Every one of us comes into the kingdom with ungodly thought patterns. Every one of us can't help it because we've been in this world. God says, in this world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome. You are an overcomer. Not gonna be. You are an overcomer. So this is really, really good stuff. And I want you to understand, your image and getting the revelation of who you are is really key to you performing the right deeds to do all the things that God expects you to do. We are imitators of. He said, be ye imitators of God as dear children. Right? That's Ephesians 5 and Ephesians 5:1 in the AMPC, if you have that, sir. Ephesians 5:1. AMPC. Read that for me if you will.

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Therefore, be imitators of God, Copy him and follow his example.

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Copy who? Copy him.

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Keep going as well. Beloved children, imitate their father.

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Okay, so we should imitate who? Our Father. When you unsaved, you imitated your father. Jesus said it. Your father's the devil.

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Yes, sir.

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That's what he told some people. Cause they were acting just like. You know, nobody likes to really admit that they were once unsaved. You're coming here looking all holy and that's fine. But you are brand new. And I don't know about you, but I remember that old man that died on the road to Damascus. And he was unsaved. When I was unsaved, that man, I was really unsaved. You see the look on my face? I mean, I was really unsafe. I mean, I couldn't think of a safe thing to do, you know? I'm telling you, I Mean siphon gas out of cars. It's unsaved. That's why in my hometown, even now, somebody says, you know, Winston is a preacher. I said, what? No, I don't believe that. But God is a miracle worker. He'll make you so you don't know yourself. So it's been a good ride. And God wants you to be adventurous. A lot of people want to shut themselves in when they get older. Don't do that. That's a mistake. Yeah. You're as strong now as you were when you were 40 years ago. And you gotta. Come on. You gotta. Yeah, come on. Give me a hand clap. I'll throw a little hand clap back there. You know what? I don't do that. No, that's the worst thing you can do. God's not done with you. You got work to do, and he's got plans for you. And what we said last night. Get the picture? Get the picture. Don't get the wrong picture. Get the picture of how God sees you. It's up on his mantelpiece. He looks at it all the time and talks about you, says how great you are.

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Forth.

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That's good, isn't it? So that's kind of what you wanted to do. I want to. I wanted to say something about that. Because this righteousness is a key to you acting like you're supposed to act. It really is. Study that righteousness piece. It is a key. Faith, true enough, you've got to have it. So you got to have faith. Know what it is, what it's designed to do, and so forth. But this righteousness is the thing that makes faith work, really work. If you're righteous and knows what real you know, have a revelation of what righteousness means. Your faith will flow like a flood. It'll flow automatically. And so I just want you to do that. Just think about how in right standing you are. Look at our scripture. It's in Matthew, chapter 21 21, Matthew 21 21. Let's look at that. Because this we're talking about, imitate him. Copy him. You know. Ready, Read.

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Jesus answered and said unto them, verily I say unto you, if ye have faith and doubt not, ye shall not only do this, which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye say, shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea. It shall be done.

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It shall be done. Over in Mark 11, said, it shall obey you. Over in Luke, chapter 17, same thing. It shall obey you. Now, it won't obey you. Technically, it'll obey your faith. So you can put faith to work. Watch that. You can put it to work and then go do something else. Yeah, you. You can put faith to work and go do something else. Look. Look at Micah. Micah, chapter five, verse two. Y' all don't mind if I just go through these scriptures here, Micah 5, and verse 2, and I want to show you how he put faith to work. All right, Read.

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But thou, Bethlehem, Ephrath, Ephratah, Ephrathah.

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Yeah.

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Though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me, that is to be ruler in Israel, whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting to everlasting.

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So this child named Jesus is going to be born in Bethlehem. And that was the prophet Micah. And he said that he shall come forth and shall come forth in Bethlehem. Now look at Luke. Luke, chapter two, please. Two. Come forth in Bethlehem. Now I want you to see how faith works. Read.

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And this taxing was first made when Cenarius was governor of Syria and all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

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So Serena's put out this ordinance that everybody should be taxed. Everybody, come back to your own hometown and pay your taxes. All right? Now, it just so happened that Mary and Joseph were not in their hometown. They had to come back to Bethlehem, but she was full with child ready to be delivered so soon. So he puts Mary on the donkey, and Joseph and Mary come back to the hometown. But here's the deal. When they came back to the hometown, there was no room for them. There was no room for them. In the end, why? Hotels were all taken up. The Ritz, all that. The. Cheap hotels and the expensive hotel. I didn't want to call any name because some of y' all might be staying there. But anyway, so they were all filled up. They had no place. They had to go to a stable in a manger, all filled up. This man was invited to speak to his church. He came to the church, and they saw the man. This is down south during the time of all the racial prejudice and the church. He introduced himself. He said, reverend, so? And so I said, oh, well, see, this is quote, quote, a white church, and he's a black man. They didn't know it. So he shows up, how y' all doing? You see? And so they told him, sir, we appreciate your coming, coming, but we're not going to have revival right now. You know, some excuse to turn him around. And he got out of there and went back to the Hotel said, God, they won't let me in. Won't let me preach. God said, they won't let me in either. So. So anyway, I just told you. But look what he says. He said in Matthew 21. That's interesting. Is that what I did? He spoke through a tree and it obeyed him. Cyrus here gave out an edict that all the world should be taxed. Why? He thinks it's his idea. God spoke it. And the word of God is that powerful. It'll move a whole system. You got to learn how to use that word and have faith in that word. It's powerful. So people think that he put out system or worship? No, no. It happened because God had to get Mary and Joseph back up to Bethlehem in time for our Savior to be born. Or you can speak something over your little great, great grandchild. This is powerful stuff, the word. Study it sometime. It's light, it's creative, it's the factor. Isn't that something? Something? So that's my intro. Now let's get down to the word. So I said, I want to do something a little bit different. Daytime sessions. I'd like to talk about a little bit about us and something that's relevant to you being successful. And I talked about, well, let's say you're starting a church, or let's say you're starting a ministry. We have a school called Joseph School of Business. And that school is taking in people who belong to Christ and teaching them business principles and then putting them out to have a business and so forth. And one of the things we try to make sure is like when I was. Went to. A country just under India. But anyway, I went there.

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Dubai.

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No, I went. It was. It was. I'll think of it a minute. But anyway, I've been a lot of places here. Yeah, I've been a lot of places. And so we. The bishop was introducing me, first of all, told me that night we're going to have, you know, you speak in the morning. I said, great. What time do I speak? He said, well, you speak at seven. I said, seven, okay. What time does church start? He said, the church service starts at four. I said, wow, this ain't America. And so. But he introduced me and said, you know, Dr. Winston's here speaking. He said, now let me tell you something before he speaks, and I'll never forget this, he said, if you're going to a church now, watch this. Now, this challenges all of us. If you're going to a church and you've been at that church for Nine months. Months. And you're not at least a millionaire, then there must be something wrong with you or your pastor. I said, oh, Lord, I got to preach this. I never forget that. That was interesting. He really believed that, too. Very kind man. Very nice man. But anyway, Sri Lanka, that's where it was. Okay. But yeah, then no. I want to talk to you about two things. Using your covenant with skill and becoming covenant minded. Coming. Covenant minded. God taught me this one time, what happened was I was going to buy another piece of property. It was 3.5 million. And so, you know, I was going to let it be raised to the congregation and we're going to use it for some of the things we're doing now. And. What happened? He said, you know, make an appeal to the congregation and pass out some envelopes. And you know how we do. And so we did that building fund. So the money started coming in by drips. We're going to buy it in September. And this money was coming in so slow, by June, we probably had maybe a little over 100,000, maybe a little shorter, 200,000. I said, Whoa, I saw right then, you know, if you give things time, the devil tries to delay time. And so Leroy calls them. He calls them blocking devils. He said, some demons are designed to block you from giving, and the others are designed to block you from receiving. I said, boy, that's interesting. So anyway, so that money's coming in like that. I said, lord, this money's coming, coming in really slow. Now remember, you can speak to the Lord. You can talk to the Lord just like I'm talking to you. Now. There's a formal prayer. True enough, you can do that. But other side, you know, God. Abraham was a friend of God. You can just talk to him. God, you know, I'm not supposed to make this speech. And you know, I feel like I'm. I'm not there. Like, I mean, you can talk to him. That's what you do. So then I said, lord, what do I do here? He said, take these two verses and read them to the. To the congregation. I said, okay. So he gave me 1st Samuel, chapter 14 and verse 6, if you'll look that up. 1st Samuel 14, 6. Okay, now watch this. Okay?

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And Jonathan said to the young man that bare his armor, come and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised garrison of the Philistines.

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Okay, read that again. Read that again because that's. That's a piece of there I want you to see.

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And Jonathan said to the Young man that bare his armor, come and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised.

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Now, notice you call him what?

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Uncircumcised.

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So right there, he's Covenant. What? He's Covenant what minded? Say it, everybody. He's covenant minded. So we're under. Not under the Old Covenant anymore, but under the what New Covenant. But be Covenant what minded. All right, so he told them, and keep reading.

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It may be that the Lord will work for us, for there is no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few.

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It's interesting. God doesn't care if he saves by many or by few. You know, you remember Gideon. How many men did Gideon choose to fight the battle at first? How many you remember? Thousands. 32,000, I think it was. Okay, so he chose all these men. Now, what did God tell him? What did God say to him? God said, you got too many for me. Got too many for who? For me. This is God talking because he's with Gideon. He's with you. Well, I'm trying to do this, Lord. Well, what am I going to do? Yes, sir. He told me. I said, lord, he said. I said, now, God, if you open that door, I'll go through it. He said, I got news for you. If you go through it, I'll open it.

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Wow.

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There's some kind of abracadabra stuff. Okay. But anyway, it's kind of interesting here. He said, it's no restraint for God to work by many or by few. Don't ever think you got too few people. Look at Genesis 14, 14, 14. I want you to just read this. This is Abraham when Lot. Lot was a lot of problems. He. They rescued, got. Lot took his family, took all those folks in Sodom, money and stuff. And these, these, you know, these bullies, international bullies about four nations of them. And they took them and ran off with everything. Now look what it says here.

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And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants. Servants born in his own house. 318 in pursuit.

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300 and how many? 18. He's going against four nations. Say Covenant minded. Going against four nations. You're going against the city. You're going against whatever you're doing, whatever battle you're fighting, whatever contract you're about to write, whatever it is you're going through against someone, something, some system that's stronger than you, that's what you major in. That's what we do. I don't want to go against something that I can Myself, I can take. I can take you by myself. No, God said, that's the wrong door. Come over here. Come against this group. Fight. Fight this battle over here. This. I want it to be stronger, much mightier than myself. Now God's going to get the glory.

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Wow.

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I want to make it so God gets the glory. Isn't that wonderful? Oh, that's a person after God's own heart. Dear God, I want to make it so you get the glory. All right? So he gave me that scripture, said, read this before the congregation. I said, all right, I'd like to read a scripture here. I said, now, we've been trying to raise money for this, for this piece of property. I said, but it's been coming in in trickles. I said, I know what it is. Some of you maybe don't have the money. Some of you are waiting on the money. Others of you don't want me to have it. So I said, whatever the case may be. All right, I said, I'd like to read these two scriptures. So I did that. And then he said, read one more scripture. Scripture. Esther, chapter 4, verse 14. Now listen at this. What I had to read to them. I had to read two scriptures on the mouth of two, and then. Go ahead. Four. Four. Fourteen. Fourteen. All right.

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For if thou altogether holdest thy peace.

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A girl. Now, I've asked you to go in to see the king on behalf of the nation. But if you don't want to go, you altogether hold your peace, go ahead.

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At this time, then shall their enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews.

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Now, deliverance will arise. Not may not hope. Deliverance will arise from another place. This is God's promise to deliver you. I got a promise. Isn't that good, whatever it is? All right.

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Right.

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Till arrives from another place, keep going.

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But thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed.

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Yeah, you. You going to be in trouble. So, girl, if I was you, I'd get on in that place and say something to that man. Now, what was it? It's a king. And this king was being influenced by a man who was devilish. And he had allowed this man to get him to write a law that all the Jews should be killed. And so this is genocide, just wiping them out. So the enemy has always been after the Jews and those who try to protect them. That's the church always been after, always. So I think that was. That was Hitler's big thing, wasn't it? Okay, so what happened was he said, read these verses to the people. So. But to finish Esther's story. What did Esther do? She fasted three, four days and put on her royal. Her royal. Her best stuff. I'm going in to see the man. So she went in and he said, looked at her, said, what is it that you have? What is it that you want, Esther? And gave the scepter. She touched it. He said, I'm going to give it to you over half. Up to half of my kingdom. Now, he had a lot of wealth, but he's going to give her half of it. So when I saw that, he said, read that to them. I said, okay, and I'll read it to them. And I read it to them. And when I read it to them, I'm sure they wonder, why did he read that to us? But I was letting them know, God doesn't have to have you. He doesn't. Some people pulled that on me one time and went to the second place I. Where we were having services, and we were there. And what happened? I had been going out to Fred Price's. You know, I've been not going out. I went out there one time, but I was listening to him on tv. So I said, well, I'm gonna preach this stuff right here, you know. And God started preaching, rendering. And then it came up to me. This family came up to me afterwards, said, pastor, you know, you were doing all right before, but now you're preaching some things that, you know, we. We want you to go back to your old hoop. And, you know. Well, I looked in the cupboard, and the cupboard was bad. And so. So. So I went back there for a minute, but it didn't fit anymore. So I started teaching the word. Hey, if you believing for a Bentley and you get a rose then. And you prayed for a Bentley, then God didn't answer your prayer. I said, whoa, that's pretty good. He can't give you what you did in answer. Well, that's all right. That's another thing I see. Some of y' all need to go back to friends. All right, okay. But anyway. All right, now think about this. They left, but when they left, it's like a whole flood of people came. They were blockers. Some of y' all need to let them leave. Front door, back door, keep them both open. You don't need to open the doors of the church. Just leave them open. All right? So anyway, can I finish my story, please? So I want you to know that I read that scripture to them. Now, I went on record in heaven as sharing with them the fact that God can bring this money in some other way. And what it did, it helped me take my eyes off the people and put my faith in the covenant my God shall supply. That's covenant talk. See, the only reason you don't move forward is because you don't have enough knowledge. I remember Gloria Copeland, this lady came to me, said, you know, I believe God for this and that and that, healing and so forth. And Gloria, can you tell me my problem? She said, sure. You don't know enough. And usually that's the case. Just don't have enough knowledge. My people shall be destroyed. Look at Isaiah 5:13. I think that's where it is. Isaiah 5:13. Watch this, okay?

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Therefore, my people are gone into captivity because they have no knowledge.

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No knowledge. Revelation is what the devil fights, fighting. Revelation. Because when you got Revelation, you become a revolutionary. You become just like blind Bartimaeus. Jesus, son of David. Son of David. See his address. Covenant address, have mercy on me. People said, shh. Much more we in church, shh. And he cried, what?

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Jesus.

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And Jesus stopped. Wow. It wasn't the loudness that stopped him. Come on, now. This preacher was preaching. These preachers were standing around and. No, the deacons were standing around. This man came in church, and he was breathing hard. And they said, what's wrong? They said, you know, the devil is chasing me or whatever. Hear that? He said, I need some prayer. And one of the deacons said, let Deacon Jones pray for you. He said, no, I don't want Deacon Jones. I want Deacon Brown to pray for me now. You know why? Cause Deacon Brown's got some strong prayer. No, Deacon Brown prayed loud. Do you hear me? You don't need to pray loud. Lord have mercy. All right, man, I can't finish this, okay? But, yes, I can. So as we look at this, I said that to congregation. Boom. Immediately all the whatever was holding the money up to Kensington. Money came in from everywhere. Boom. Had 3.5 million, just like that. See, I gave angels the freedom to work. They went to work for me. Look up there. Look at Hebrews. Hebrews, chapter 1, verse 1314. Hebrews 1, 1314. I am guiding to my subject. Really? Yet Patrice has got my notes over there. She's gonna tell me what the. What I wrote down. But I have mascara. Nothing yet. Praise God. All right. Look at that.

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But to which of the angels said he at any time, sit on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them? Them who shall be heirs of salvation.

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We are heirs of salvation. They're ministering spirits, Spirit sent forth to minister for us. Look at number two, Hebrews two and verses one, two, three. All right.

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Therefore, we ought to give the.

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Therefore, whenever you see, therefore, what do you do? Find out what's there for. He's talking about the previous thought he had about angels. Keep going.

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Therefore, we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast in every transgression and disobedience, received a just recompense of reward, how shall we escape?

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How shall we what? Escape if we. What neglect so great salvation? My goodness. He has always meant for every child of his to have angels. You need him to protect you. You need him to minister to you. You need him to guide you. These are angels that came and told Joseph, get up and go down to Egypt and hide there until I get ready for you. These are angels that did this. It's powerful, isn't it? So this peace with angels, I think, is so necessary for us to complete the work that God sent us out to do. Do. And we've got to use these angels. How many do we have? Revelation, chapter 22 and verse 9. How many? No, how many angels do we have? Correct that. That's Hebrews chapter 12 and verse 22. Hebrews, chapter 12 and verse 22. How many angels we have? I'm waiting on you, sir.

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Sorry. But ye are come unto Mount Sion and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the innumerable company of angels.

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How many?

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Innumerable.

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Now don't let your lips get caught. Innumerable. Come on, say it. How many is that? You can't count them. Don't let them sit up there and let Charles Capps fold their hands and watch you get your head beat in. Use them. Use them. See, we have to go beyond the scene and to the white.

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What?

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Unseen. That's what we designed to operate unseen. Okay? So I said, that money came in. Then I gave Latasha, who was our CFO at that time. I said, hey, go downtown and. And the lawyers are set up. Meet with the lawyers and. And give them this and bring back the title deed. I said, don't come back without it. They went down there, went downtown, and she went down at 8:30 and got back around 4:35 o'. Clock. I said, what took you so long? She said, they were trying to talk me in to letting them have half the payment. And they keep the title technically with them because they had some deals working and they didn't want to lose those deals, deals and so forth. I said, what did you tell them? She said, I told him you told me to bring the title back today. And they were upset about it, but they did. Satan. Oral Roberts said this, one of the biggest fights you'll have is over real estate. That's what he said. So, all right.

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So.

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I don't know why I said that, but I'm looking now at this idea of the covenant. All right, so what is a covenant? It means to cut. It means where blood flows. We knew a covenant in the old days. It was the most firm agreement of blood covenant of anything. EW Kenyon has a book, little book when I saw it, it's online as well, the blood covenant. And he really does a good treatment of that. And so you get in there and just see what he says about a blood covenant. Now as time goes by and you know, we've got all intellectual, intellectual, we've kind of let that covenant kind of go, the revelation of that. But as soon as somebody come to me in Africa, they come and get on their knees, bless me, Pastor, bless me. Now we'll talk about that tonight, but bless me, Pastor. See, they are covenant minded and they understand that if I bless them, they are blessed. And so, so this covenant can be made in marriage. This ring on my finger symbolizes that I'm in covenant with somebody. You follow what I'm saying? And that means that that person and I have a relationship that nobody else has. You see what I'm saying? And what's hers is hers. And what's mine is hers, you know? No, I'm just kidding. But it means we share. But then that drops to the next point. And another reason for the covenant is if you're a small village and you get into a fight with a tribe that's much bigger or group nation that much bigger, then I can call on you and you will have to answer, Job, Jeremiah 33, 3, call on me and I'll answer. I'll have to answer. Why? Because the call covenant. He said, abraham, I'm gonna make a covenant with you and no longer will your name be called Abram. But I'm gonna put my last name on your first name. Abraham. God, the way they pronounced it, that was God. It was too holy to pronounce. So that means me and you, Abraham, are one. Look at John. John, chapter 1030. John, chapter 1030. Remember, Jesus came as a man, came As a man. All right.

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I and my father are.

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We're one, we're not two. We're going all the way back to Adam. I and Adam were one. Genesis 2:19. Please. 2:19. Now we can see how Adam got what he got and why we have grace today. Look at Adam. Because he needed to do something for God. So God has got him one so that he could operate through Adam just like Adam had what he had. Now this oneness says God, complete ability is at our disposal. How much power do we need? Isn't that something? Read that.

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And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them. And whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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Now wait, wait, wait. Now Adam didn't have. Have a ucla. You know what I mean? He didn't have all this. He didn't have it. Man fell to us. Ucla. He fell there. That's why some people call it dark knowledge, because it's knowledge that comes from darkness. But. But you and I have the real thing. Powerful, isn't it? Let me show you a scripture. Job. Job. Yes, Job, chapter 32. And look at chapter 32, verse 6 in the message translation please. Job 32 and verse 26:30. Job, chapter 2, verse of chapter chapter 32 and verse 6 in the message translation. Read that. Now you're going to keep reading. Okay.

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This is what Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite said. I'm a young man and you are all old, inexperienced. That's why I kept quiet.

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And women now you all old and experienced and I'm a young man. So I kept quiet. Keep going.

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And held back from joining the discussion.

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I held back. I just sat by myself and let you all discuss. Keep going.

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I kept thinking. Experience will tell the longer you live, the wiser you become. But I see I was wrong. It's God's spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, One that makes wise human insight possible.

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Possible.

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The experts have no corner on wisdom. Getting old doesn't guarantee good sense.

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You ever heard of an old fool? No. I'm just kidding. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Just cuz you're old mental guarantee good sense. Keep going.

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So I've decided to speak up. Listen. Well, I'm going to tell you exactly what I think.

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I'm going to tell you what I think. Young people can have the same wisdom or more than all. When you're receiving it directly from God. See why Paul called it all dung? Yes, sir. He said, all that learning is dumb. I've been to the finest schools and so forth. Paul said, I counted all dung for Christ. So I remember when God said, one of my. My parishioner said, you know, my boss would like to see you. I said, who's your boss? He said, one of the Fortune 500 says, you know, he's a chairman. And he said he'd like to see you. I said, how does he know me? Well, he doesn't know you. He knows that you are pastoring. My pastor. I said, okay. I went out to see him. He said, our Reverend. Now, I was, you know, down at the club, and I was talking to chairman of Newsweek magazine. We were all talking. He said, what are you doing for the black youth in Chicago? I said, well, I'm not doing anything. He said, well, you're here and got all the resources and so forth. Shouldn't you be doing something? He said, well, I thought about that, Reverend. He said, I got home and I asked my daughter, she's a lawyer. And I. And I asked her, you know, this guy asked me what I should be doing for black male youth. And she said, well, what are you doing for him? He said, then, reverend, I started feeling guilty. He said, so I'm calling you and asking you, but what could I do for them? I said, I don't know what you do now, but give me seven days. I'll come back. Back with an answer. He said, all right, well, here's my cell phone number. Boom, I was gone. Now, how did I know that I was coming back with an answer? See, how. How could I be sure of that? Look at Psalm 18:28. Some 18:28. Noah. Read.

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For thou wilt light my candle. The Lord my God will lighten my darkness.

[B]

That's a covenant promise. He will enlighten my darkness. Glory to God. Since you came to beat this, you put in the best place in the earth. He will enlighten your darkness. Look at Proverbs. Proverbs, chapter 20.

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Seven.

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2020. 2027. Watch this.

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The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord. Searching all the inward parts of the bed.

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No, no, no, no. Searching my spirit when I go to bed. And I got a question that I living in my spirit, then I can go to bed. And while I'm asleep, my spirit is on a search. My spirit is going through the stacks in the library of heaven looking for the wisdom to solve this problem. I can't lose, folks. You see why he said we are fearfully yet wonderfully made. Isn't that something? So you can take a stupid man and get a smart answer. All he's got to do is consult the great. I am. Isn't that something more I'm telling you. You see what I'm saying? But they think that's cause they went to Harvard. And nothing against those schools, but they think that's what's going. No, not going to take that and beat the devil with it. You're going to have to have the wisdom of God. Amen. What is good preaching? I don't care what you think. Look at First Corinthians chapter 2 and start reading at verse 5 if you will and just keep going. Yeah.

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That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect. Yet not the wisdom of this world. Nor of the princes of this world that come to not. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery. Even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our God. Which none of the princes of this world world knew. For they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

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If Satan had known what he was doing, that Jesus was a seed and that if you plant a seed you'll get a lot of corn. So look how many losers Jesus has came up. If Satan had known he doesn't have this wisdom, that system. He cannot teach them enough wisdom to defeat you at any time. We have the wisdom of God in a mystery. Yes sir. While you sleep, he's your spirit is going to work. And when you wake up.

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Boom.

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Hear that. Boy? That was right old time man. I. I couldn't duplicate that. That. That was the Lord right there. He's warning me I'm running out of time. He said, son, cut it short now you. But I'm here to tell you that was phenomenal, wasn't it? I might get a video of that. Look up your redemption. Draw not. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I've learned a lot. I really have. That's why the enemy looked. Something tried to cut me off because he knew I was going to tell you all of this, but he didn't. Amen. So this kind of thing, I just went back to the guy and I took a. I, you know, came from IBM and sealed. So I start giving him a presentation. Page one, you say, uh huh. Page two. Yeah, okay. Page three. Oh, that's it Reverend. That's it. He said look, I've got $40,000 in the chairman's fund right now. Can you take that? I said, well, sir, no, not yet. Let me set up the bank accounts and everything. But that was the answer. How did he know that was the answer? Look over here in Genesis. And look at Genesis and chapter 40. Enough. Genesis, chapter 40. Yes, Dennis, is 20. Chapter 41. 41, please. And look at verse. Let's start at verse 27 and just keep reading. Okay, now this is a Pharaoh. And Pharaoh's looking for an answer. And he hadn't been able to find it. But they got a guy down in jail named Joseph. And watch this. He's full of joy. Cause he can see the end from the beginning. That's what keeps you full of joy. So they call him up there. Cleaned him up and so forth. Took him before Pharaoh. Go ahead, start.

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And the seven thin and ill favored kind that came up after them are seven years. And the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine.

[B]

This is Joseph talking to him now.

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He this is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh. What God is about to do. He sheweth unto Pharaoh saying the end from the beginning.

[B]

Keep going. He's going to show you that.

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Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all of the land of Egypt. And there shall arise after them seven years of famine.

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All right, now start at verse 38. 41. 38. All right, okay.

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And Pharaoh said unto his servants, can we find such a one as this is a man on whom the spirit of God is no.

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That. That's what he wants. Can we find somebody with this? Can. Can. Can duplicate or come. Come, you know, be more wise than this man. Keep going.

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And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, for as much as God hath she thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art.

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Nobody as wise as you. He knew that was the answer. He'd never been there before. But God not only supplies the answer from Joseph, he supplies something inside of the king that knows that what the answer was. It's satisfactory. The Bible says the wisdom of God. No man can gainsay or resist. Keep going.

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Thou shalt be over my house. And according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled. Only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

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Now look at that. Joseph even got a promotion. Now this is his covenant that he's trusted that they can't kill him. Why that? The covenant got him protected. Watch this. He's going to get promoted. Why the covenant says so? Glory to God. Isn't this good? Now how Much does the covenant say you supposed to know? And look at Psalms 72 and verse 18, if you will, and we're going to start winding down. I haven't even gone through my stuff yet, am I. You feel. You feel kind of lonely over there? Okay. All right. Keep going.

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All right.

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Blessed be the Lord be the Lord God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things, who only does things.

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Watch this. That no man can match. Put it in your Bible. He only does things that leave others far behind. Daniel had how many times more wisdom than the world? 10 times. Daniel, chapter one, verse 20. Isn't this good? So this is a session that. I look at it as a leadership session. But let God speak to the leaders concerning whatever portion of this they need. They can just take it read.

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And in all matters of wisdom and understanding that the king inquired of them, he found them 10 times better.

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10 times better than the magicians, the sorcerers. I mean, these are people who knew also of the world, but not of God. Now, he's not talking about just disruptive innovation. He's not talking about the Uber. No, he's talking about something beyond that. The church supposed to be producing it. Why? Because we're going to take over. We're not taking sides. We're taking over. Isn't that good?

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That's good.

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So the covenant is that which imitates or looks like a marriage. It's something that the smaller group can rely on, a big group to come and protect them. And they can be guaranteed to that protection. And the covenant.

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Business relationship.

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Yeah, just giving you a relationship that you can't get anywhere else. The covenant. I'm in covenant with God. Who is this uncircumcised Philistine? You know it? The church. Church is different. Church ecclesia means called out ones. You're separate, you're different. Sometimes we don't want to be different. We want to blend. No, God didn't call you to blend. Sometimes the world will try to force you to blend. No, no, we don't blend. That's what tried to do. Three Hebrews. If you don't bow, you're going to burn. What did they do? They stayed right there. It wouldn't bow and they wouldn't burn. So I had something at the very last. Down there. Patrice.

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Yes, sir. Mark 1241. Mark 1241.

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Okay. The last thing that I had. Yeah, and the last thing I had. Period.

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Galatians, 3, 13.

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Okay, now look at Galatians, chapter 3, verses 13 and 14 and 29. Okay.

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Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.

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We've been redeemed from the curse. Keep going.

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Being made a curse. Curse for us, for it is written. Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ.

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Yes.

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That we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

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Through faith. Verse 29.

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And if ye be.

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If you be Christ, then.

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Abraham's seed. Ye are Abraham's seed. And heirs, according to you, are whose seed?

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Abraham's seed. Just like God was in covenant with Abraham, he's in covenant with you. My name is Bill Winston, and I approve this message in the name of Jesus.

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Amen.

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Now, let's take a moment. Somebody might have questions. I just want the daytime session, kind of give you questions. Just, you know, three or four questions. People might have and might want to know about how I've done things and so forth and so on, because we made quite a stride there in Chicago and. And I've done some things around the world and so forth and had a lot of experience, really, in that. And so you might have any questions and so forth, feel free to answer them. Got a microphone here and so forth and so forth. So floor is open if you got. Anybody have any questions, want to know. Okay, go ahead. It's an honor to be here. And could you share things that you learned through the process of the. The bank that you bought throughout that process? Oh, okay. No. Can you share the things that you learned through the process of acquiring the bank? The bank.

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Bank.

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Yes, sir. Oh, phew. You heard me now, Doc, I'm telling you. No, I was kidding, inquiring the bank. I learned quite a few things. That's why God wants you to keep moving forward. Opportunities come when you're moving forward. Jesus didn't preach, didn't pick a certain disciple. He didn't pick not one disciple who was sitting around. You've got to be moving. Opportunities won't come to you unless you're moving the. I learned that there is a system of the world that has got the church fairly tied up. And there is. Just a minute. There is. God at some point wants the church to separate. I say he wants us to separate in terms of where we even put our money and resources. This one bank, this big bank, it can take the money that's taken up from our offerings and tithes, and we take it down to a heathen bank. Bank. Put it in there. Now you can see something's wrong with that. Now they're going to take it and use it because they've got, by law, they can loan out and do things with a certain percentage of it. Now, they may be loaning it out to the man that's going to put up a liquor store right down the street from your church. Come on. They may be loaning out to the mafia. I'm just saying the church hasn't had a revelation of the separation of and sanctification of the church and the world. We are in the world, but what not of it. And Jacob was supporting Laban, see? As a matter of fact, he did it for 20 years. Genesis 31, 41. Put it up there on the board. He did it for 20 years. He supported Laban. Laban was a UBI man. This is a man who practiced sorcery. Look. Look at that. Ready, Everybody ready? Read. Wait a minute. It's been how many years? 20 years. He has taken advantage of the blessing that was on Jacob for 20 years. Jacob didn't have enough money to go to Pasadena because you know how it is. You make a check, and pretty much the check is gone. I mean, you got things to pay, so forth. They even up your taxes. Some of these taxes, man, they're ungodly. That's why when I get taxes to come down and pay taxes, taxes, I believe, for tax money, I'm gonna use my money for no tax. I believe it's gonna be tax money. And he gets it out of a fish's mouth. So fish represented, you know, in that cat setting of his trouble. But anyway, so I'm just saying, if we go through our minds and really get a revelation of what our money is doing for the world and being used by the world, then we'll have a different outlook in terms of kind of where we want to do with our money, what we want to do with it, et cetera, et cetera. Now, that's just money. I mean, it could be other things in our lives as well. But Jacob was keeping Laban getting fat. But soon he came to himself. He said, thou give me a another raise. Because that raise and my trusting in it is keeping me from trusting in the one true God who takes care of me. All right, next question. Anybody? Hey, doctor, when God gives you something big to do, a big revelation, what's the first thing that you actually do when you get that revelation? Well, say when God gives you a vision of something big to do or revelation, what's the first thing that you do when you get that revelation from God? Well, first thing I do I make sure, you know, this is from God, not pizza or anything like that. And then next thing I do is take that and write it down. Write the vision. Come on, make it plain so you can run that reads it. And so I'll write it down and start to meditate on it. And then it'll lead me to a scripture or something like that. Because I do need some seed. I can't do anything without seed. So I'm looking for a word in the Bible that is guaranteed to bring that thing to pass. Because I'm not going to bring it to pass. My faith is going to work with the word of God and bring it back. So that's what I do. And when I do that, I keep it all on God. Keep it under the covenant. I got one more. I think I done one more.

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Dr. Winston, when God gives you a vision, how do you stay on point with people around you? Sometimes that they would agree and sometimes they would disagree. How do you stay on point with what God has told you to.

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To do if they disagree? You know what I do? I'll write them a letter and say that this is the last time I'm coming over your house. I'm telling you, you've got to let them go. All right, look at First Corinthians, chapter 15 and verse. Verse 33. And the apple, amplified, please. First Corinthians 15, 33. All right, ready? Everybody ready? Read. All right, that's enough. So I consider that. That it's not the best environment for me. Abraham eventually had to let God let Lot go. You remember that he said, you take the right hand, I'll take the left. If you want the left, I'll take the right. Of course, Lot picked the piece that had all the greenery and all the opportunities in it that he thought. But if you got the blessing on your life, you can let them have the. Come on. Take the refrigerator. All right, Is there one more? And then I'll just quit. Okay. Is that one more? Did I. Did I miss it or something? All right, that's it. All right, ladies and gentlemen. I got one over here. Oh, okay. Okay.

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The four steps that you gave us. Information, meditation, revelation, manifestation. Do you have a recent example of applying those steps?

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It's an example of what? Applying those steps over time. Time over. Of applying these. Oh, a good example. Yeah. I can take that Mall. Shopping mall. Put it up there. Shopping mall. One of. This is one of the malls we have. Okay, put it up there. Now that our information, you know, by the shopping mall, that's got told me that's the first time I heard it. That's information. I can't do anything with that. Only thing I can do now with that is meditate it. But since he gave me that information, I wanted to know what to meditate. And so he pointed me to Joshua, chapter one, verse three. Every place sold your foot, you'll tread upon that have I given you. So I went over and walked on it. All right? Now, when I told my people, I said, hey, go over there and check that out. Two of my members people, right hand man and so forth. And they said, well, Pastor, we can buy that little part on the left on the east end of the mall. I said, east end. God said, buy the whole mall.

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Oh, mall.

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Oh, Pastor. Well, because you want to get something impossible. You want to get something that will stretch your faith. You know the other thing you can get without faith. And so once I started doing that, then the mall began to clear up. Watch this. The mall went from too big to too little. You can do it with faith, with meditation. It really was. See, it's highly affordable when you really see it like it is. God didn't ask you to pay for it. He said, believe for it. And so of course we paid for it. God directed me to all of that. And it's debt free now. I mean, for years it's been that way, but now, you know, somebody tells you, you know, don't borrow money, things that owe no man nothing but love it. Listen, God directed me to two people million, which I needed to buy that shopping mall. I had money, but he directed me to the rest of it. And he had me get it from a bank. And all the big banks wouldn't give me a dime. Matter of fact, they were holding back. I know why they're holding back. Because they probably have found out from their frat brother that a black man was going to buy this. Now, I'm not concerned with color at all. Somebody told me, well, they won't sell that to a black man. I said, who you talking to? And cause they didn't see the man inside. So what happened was he said, Go 2.5. Watch this. I called the man at the bank. He was the president, small black bank on the south side of Chicago. Sir. Mr. Brookman? Yeah. My name is Pastor Winston. I'm pastor of Living Word Christian center. And I'm looking at my buying a shopping mall. Reverend. I heard about something like that. He said, can you help me cite certain documents by six o' clock tonight? I said, yes, Sir. And these are certain financial documents. So I got to CFO and fill out the documents. Got them to him next morning at 11 o'.

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Clock.

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Call me Reverend. You got your money. Now wait a minute, wait a minute. How long did that take?

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A day.

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That took a day. If shorter, it took less than a day. My point to you was that was a God arranged loan. Go out and borrow some vessels. So you got watch it sometime people will put you in condemnation telling you that. But God will take you out of it first. The blade. You see what I'm saying? Seeds, trees, deeds. God bless you. I'm out. Hey, where's my man? Where's my man? Where is he? Come on up.

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Amen.

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You're $100 richer. Amen. Well, God bless you and take over. Amen.

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Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. And God said to us in 2026, taking more ground. Taking more ground. So I trust that when you leave this week, you already have in mind which direction you walking to take. Right. God's power meets movement. That's our job as we're keeping on moving. And you just got the masterful instruction about it. Hallelujah. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, become a partner, or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries.