Podcast Summary: “Consider Not, Part Two” | Nancy Dufresne | Jesus the Healer Broadcast

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Host/Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Date: March 23, 2022
Length: ~27 min

Episode Overview

In this episode, Pastor Nancy Dufresne continues to unpack the biblical principle of “consider not,” based on Romans 4:17-21 and the example of Abraham’s faith. She teaches about focusing wholly on God’s Word rather than circumstances, feelings, or the reports and experiences of others. The message is highly practical, aimed at strengthening listeners’ ability to stand on God’s promises—especially regarding healing, provision, and victory—by refusing to allow negative thoughts or circumstances to dominate their attention.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Understanding “Consider Not” – Abraham’s Example

• Nancy revisits Romans 4:17-21, highlighting how God told Abraham he was made the father of many nations, despite his and Sarah’s old age.
  • “He considered not his own body now dead…he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God” (Romans 4, paraphrased) [00:09]
• The “job of faith” is not to make God’s Word come to pass but to simply believe it:
  • “It’s not the job of faith to make it come to pass. It’s the job of faith to believe what God says. And God will make it come to pass.” [01:10]

2. Choosing Where to Focus Your Attention

• Abraham deliberately chose to not consider the facts of his own or Sarah’s physical limitations.
• If you want strong faith, you must not base your expectations on other people’s outcomes or circumstances.
  • “Don’t look at someone else’s failure in life and dismiss yourself from victory.” [03:05]
• The importance of refusing to entertain thoughts that draw attention away from what God says.

3. Dealing with Negative Thoughts

• Negative or doubtful thoughts come to everyone; the key is not to entertain them.
  • “As one minister said, you can’t stop the birds from flying around your head, but you can stop them from building a nest in your hair.” [04:24]
• The practical tool: answer every thought with what God has said.
  • “When wrong thoughts come, don’t just put up with them… Answer them.” [05:09]

4. Quoting Kenneth E. Hagin on “Consider Not”

• Pastor Nancy shares Brother Hagin’s insights regarding not considering physical symptoms:
  • “These words, consider not, are blessed words. They are an unfailing refuge from the fiery darts of the enemy, a heavenly atmosphere where no germ or disease can survive for the fraction of a second.” [06:16]
  • “Refuse to take [physical symptoms] into your calculations… As long as you consider them, they will persist.” [07:09]

5. Practical Application: Staying at God’s Table

• Drawing from Psalm 23:5, Nancy explains God has set a table in the presence of our enemies—not in heaven, but here on earth.
  • “Our job is to stay at what [God] prepared. Stay at the table. Quit being occupied with the enemies around the table.” [13:43]
  • Encourage to keep your mind, thoughts, and speech on the Word, or else “you leave the table.” [15:14]
• Illustration: Even if the devil is present, “give him something good to watch—your victory.”

6. Testimony: The Reality of God’s Word over Natural Circumstances

• A woman is diagnosed with a lump in her breast. When she sees it on the doctor’s screen, her heart sinks, but the Holy Spirit asks her:
  • “Is what you see greater than what I say?” [17:49]
• Upon affirming that God’s Word is greater, a miraculous change occurs: the lump disappears from the screen. Moral:
  • “Never believe anything more than you believe what he said… Don’t believe your body more than what he said… Don’t believe the threats…more than you believe what he says.” [19:09]
  • Faith is unchanged even after a negative report. “You believed you were healed before that lump showed up. Keep believing that.” [22:02]

7. Looking Unto Jesus: Considering the Right Thing

• Referencing Hebrews 12:2, the instruction is to “consider Jesus” and what He accomplished:
  • “If we’re going to consider Jesus, that means we’re going to consider the Word, because him and the Word are one… For the joy that was set before him, he endured the cross.” [23:31]
• The power to endure comes from looking past the test to the victory and reward God has prepared.

8. Understanding the Enemy’s Strategy

• The devil sends tests when he sees God preparing increase or promotion for you:
  • “When you are tested, you need to ask yourself, what is God getting ready to bring me into? There’s some promotion, there’s some kind of increase coming…” [25:23]
• Our job is to step over the test and keep going, as per Jesus’ words in Luke 10:19.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s the job of faith to believe what God says. And God will make it come to pass.” [01:10]
• “Don’t look at someone else’s failure in life and dismiss yourself from victory.” [03:05]
• “You can’t stop the birds from flying around your head, but you can stop them from building a nest in your hair.” [04:24]
• “These words, consider not, are blessed words. They are an unfailing refuge from the fiery darts of the enemy, a heavenly atmosphere where no germ or disease can survive…” [06:16]
• “Is what you see greater than what I say?” (The Spirit to the woman at the doctor.) [17:49]
• “Never believe anything more than you believe what he said. Don’t believe your body more than what he said.” [19:09]
• “Victory is for you to be totally unaffected by [the enemy], even though he’s present.” [10:46]
• “Stay at the table. Quit being occupied with the enemies around the table.” [13:43]
• “You believed you were healed before that lump showed up. Keep believing that.” [22:02]
• “Consider him (Jesus) that endured… lest you be wearied and faint in your minds.” [23:31]
• “When you are tested, you need to ask yourself, what is God getting ready to bring me into?” [25:23]

Key Timestamps

• 00:09 – Nancy introduces Abraham’s example: believe what God says, not what you see
• 04:24 – On dealing with negative thoughts (bird metaphor)
• 06:12 – Brother Hagin’s teaching on “consider not”
• 13:43 – Staying at God’s table; focus vs. distraction
• 17:49 – Testimony: The Spirit asks, “Is what you see greater than what I say?”
• 23:31 – Looking unto Jesus; focus through tests (Hebrews 12:2)
• 25:23 – The real reason for the enemy’s tests and the call to “step over” opposition

Final Affirmations & Closing

Pastor Nancy closes by inviting listeners to affirm aloud their faith and their commitment to God’s Word above all circumstances:

• “I don’t believe anything more than I believe what God says. I hold to what God says, no matter what I see or feel.” [27:08]

She prays for healing, deliverance, and victory over fear, concluding with an encouragement to "stay at the table"—keep your focus on God’s Word regardless of circumstances.

Summary Takeaway

This episode is a strong, encouraging call to relentless faith: to “consider not” the circumstances and never allow them to speak louder than God’s Word. It’s a practical guide for facing challenges with unshakeable focus, using Abraham, Brother Hagin, a powerful testimony, and the ultimate example of Jesus as guides for navigating adversity and accessing God’s victory.