God Is A Revealer | Amy Siegel | Collinsville, Oklahoma | JTH Crusades 2024 | Tuesday AM

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: God Is A Revealer
Speaker: Amy Siegel (with Nancy Dufresne, Charles Kemp Brown, others)
Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma | JTH Crusades 2024 | Tuesday AM
Date: October 9, 2024

This episode centers on the theme that God is a revealer of mysteries, particularly through the work of the Holy Spirit. The discussion weaves together teaching, scriptural study, real-life illustrations, and practical guidelines for entering into “God’s realm” by praying in the Spirit (specifically, in other tongues). Amy Siegel and supporting ministers encourage believers to go beyond intellectual knowledge and habitual practice, emphasizing intimacy, obedience, and the stewardship of divine revelations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Living in God's Realm (00:00–07:00)

• Nancy Dufresne welcomes everyone, setting the tone for active participation in God's supernatural realm—not as passive observers, but as engaged partners.
• Emphasizes the privilege and responsibility of carrying God and His light into everyday situations.
• Warns against spiritual complacency and routine:

  “We've got to watch that. We have come today to participate with Him.” — Nancy Dufresne (02:50)

2. God as the Revealer—Scripture Foundation (07:00–15:00)

• Scripture Reading: John 16:12-14, 1 Corinthians 14:2.
• Amy Siegel highlights that the Holy Spirit’s role is to reveal what the Father has given to Jesus, and Jesus desires the Spirit’s revelations to reach every believer—not just pastors or prophets.
• The necessity of experience, not just knowledge:

  “Knowing how to pray is not being in the Spirit.” — Amy Siegel (10:50)

• Praying in tongues (speaking in the Spirit) is how we utter God’s mysteries, going beyond mere head knowledge.

3. Daniel's Example & the Protocol for Revelation (15:00–23:00)

• Amy retells Daniel 2 (using the ESV), illustrating how Daniel sought God for the revelation of Nebuchadnezzar’s mysterious dream.
• Key principle: God not only reveals secrets, but proper response (gratitude and worship) increases what He reveals.
• Old Testament: Only special individuals (like Daniel) could access revelation.
• New Testament: Every believer, by the Spirit, now has access.

“There is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries.” — Daniel (quoted at 18:50)

4. The Process & Power of Praying in the Spirit (23:00–30:00)

• Praying in tongues transports believers “into His realm.”
• When spirit-led, what is mysterious to us is not mysterious to God.
• Power is released through doing (praying in other tongues), not theoretical understanding.
• Illustrative analogy: Her husband’s “e-bike” with “power-assist”—the assist only activates when you start pedaling. Likewise, God’s power assists once you pray:

  “The power's there in the bike, but until you start pedaling, there's no assistance given.” — Amy Siegel (29:35)

5. Secrets, Intimacy, and Stewardship (30:00–43:00)

• Not every revelation is for public sharing; many things are meant to remain intimate between God and the believer unless He directs otherwise.
• Guard what God reveals for deeper intimacy and further use.
• Guidelines:
  • Don't be quick to share every spiritual insight.
  • Ask: “Father, is this for me, or to share—or to simply keep praying out?” (40:55)
• Misuse can hinder further revelation.
• The handling of spiritual secrets is “like tithing”—God watches what you do with what He gives.

6. Three Practical ‘Warning Signs’ for Praying in the Spirit (44:00–53:00)

• 1. Keep Secrets: Be a “keeper of secrets.” Handle with maturity.
• 2. You Know in Part: God often reveals in parts, not the whole picture. Don’t let your mind take over to “solve” things—be content with your portion.

  “He gives in part… Don’t let your mind get involved with it. Don’t try to figure out who did it.” — Amy Siegel (47:16)

• 3. God Decides Timing and Method: Don’t try to “force” a revelation. Ask what (and who) God wants you to pray for.
• Sometimes, the Spirit prompts us to pray for others or distant needs, trusting our own issues are covered when we obey.

7. Training for Champions (with Charles Kemp Brown) (67:20–76:03)

• Charles Kemp Brown adds:
  • The difference between “gathering” and “assembling”—to assemble is to fit together for purpose (like a functional fireplace), not just be a pile of stones.
  • The Holy Spirit wants believers assembled so God’s fire (Spirit) has purpose and impact.
  • Champions (spiritually and in sport) are built by repetition and right response, not singular moments of knowledge.
  • Changing vocabulary: “I do know” (by the Spirit), instead of “I don’t know.”

  “Champions talk differently. They change their vocabulary… He’ll reveal it to you—at the right time, at the right place.” — Charles Kemp Brown (70:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “God is real. He's here right now, and he's wanting to reveal to us today. But if we come thinking, 'I've heard that verse before,’… we will miss what he is trying to reveal.”
  — Amy Siegel (04:50)

• “Knowing how to pray is not being in the Spirit. You actually have to do what the Word says… In order to pray out mysteries, one must actually yield their tongue and speak out in other tongues.”
  — Amy Siegel (10:52)

• “The mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision of the night...When God speaks to you, answer… Respond correctly.”
  — Amy Siegel (16:40)

• “When we get to this place where he starts to reveal these things, know that they're between him and me... He’s the revealer. If He wants to use my mouth to help someone, He’ll help me know that.”
  — Amy Siegel (42:30)

• “Don’t stop and analyze. Don’t stop and think. Less thinking, more praying, more speaking.”
  — Amy Siegel’s Husband (54:53)

• “The power’s there in the bike, but until you start pedaling, there’s no assistance given. Until we start yielding in prayer… there's going to be no assist, no mysteries are going to be revealed.”
  — Amy Siegel (29:35)

• “Applications are open for God… for those who want to work with Him in prayer… Now He needs people He can trust.”
  — Amy Siegel’s Husband (53:27)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–05:00 | Opening encouragement (Nancy Dufresne): posture, participation.
• 07:00–12:30 | John 16 & 1 Corinthians 14; importance of praying in the Spirit.
• 15:00–22:30 | Daniel 2: God reveals mysteries; posture of response.
• 23:00–32:00 | Praying in tongues: accessing God's realm; electric bike analogy.
• 30:00–43:00 | Stewardship of revelation; the importance of spiritual discretion.
• 44:00–53:00 | Three ‘warnings/signs’ for Spirit-led prayer.
• 53:09–67:00 | Group prayer session—yielding to the Spirit; practical encouragement.
• 67:20–76:03 | Charles Kemp Brown shares on assembling, champion training, practical vocabulary.

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Takeaways for Application

• God desires intimate partnership with all believers, not just ministers, through the revelation of His mysteries by the Holy Spirit.
• The act of praying in the Spirit is participatory and requires regular, active engagement.
• Believers must be trustworthy stewards of what God shows, maintaining discretion and humility.
• Revelation will often come in parts—don’t strive to assemble the whole or allow natural reasoning to override the Spirit.
• God determines the timing and content of revelation; our role is obedience and sensitivity.
• Progress in the “supernatural” is the result of continual practice, right response, and assembling (not just gathering) as believers.

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Summary Tone:
Encouraging, practical, instructional—infused with warmth, humility, and a focus on intimacy with God and maturity in the Spirit.

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Transcript

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Well, if you would be seated, but stay here. If you would stay here with us in his presence, in his place. You know, there's realms in God. He's supernatural. He's not natural. And he's invited us as his people to participate. In his realm in his place. And together we're being trained to go there, to stay there, to live with him throughout our natural day, throughout working, whatever your job is, wherever you are, throughout your day, you can still bring him and be participating in his realm in the most natural things of your day. He's allowing us to carry him to the world. What an honor. What a privilege to be his light, To bring him to those that need him. Glory to God. He's good. He's good. He's good. Praise the Lord. Well, welcome this morning. Miracles in the morning. Miracles in the morning. Glory to God. It's a privilege and an honor to be here today. My husband and I, we don't take these things lightly, that we get to participate in what God is doing on the earth. And, you know, this isn't just another meeting. We have to watch out sometimes. Those of us who might go from place to place or those of us who live in a region where there's a lot going on. You know, there's a lot of meetings. There's a lot of. There's a lot happening. And we're thankful for everything that God is doing on the earth, but we don't ever want to come with a mentality of, well, let's just go see what's going on there. Let's see what that minister has to say. Let's see what this is going to. You know what? If God's going to move over there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We've got to watch that. We have come today to participate with Him. That's so good. That means all of us, right? It's not just, let's see who's going to show up in the pulpit and see if they have anything I haven't heard before, because I'll just let you know today I'm probably going to be saying things that you've heard over and over and over again, and I hope you have. But today we want to make sure that we are here hearing like we've never heard it before. Why? Because God participates with us when these things are real to us. Real. Real. God is real. He's real. Time. Glory to God. He's here right now, and he's wanting reveal to us today. But if we come thinking, I've heard that verse before, I've heard this message.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Before.

[Nancy Dufresne]

We will miss what he is trying to reveal. Praise the Lord. So my husband began yesterday ministering about the precious Holy Spirit. Praise God. And if we could, let's just read those verses that he was reading yesterday. Praise God. Let's see. You were In John, bright 6. 16. John 16. Glory. He's so good, y'.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

All.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He's so good. He's so good. So good. In case you don't know, I'm married to this guy who was up here yesterday. He's saying, that's all that matters. Because, you know, some of you are like, who is this girl up here? I don't know. Praise the Lord. I'm here on purpose. All right, John, chapter 16. Glory to God. Verse 12. It says, Jesus speaking. He said, I have yet many things to say unto you. But you talking to his disciples cannot bear them. Now, howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you. He will guide you into all truth. For he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak. And he will show you things to come. Why don't you say, he will show me things to come? Yes. Glory to God. He shall glorify me, for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall take of mine and shall show it unto you. Got a little theme going on here, right? The Spirit of God wants to reveal. He wants to reveal what the Father has given to Jesus. And Jesus wants the Spirit to reveal it to you. To you. You in the back row. You. Not just the pastor, thank God. He reveals stuff to our pastors. Praise God. But not just to pastors, not just to the prophets of God. To you. To me. Glory to God. So let's turn to First Corinthians, chapter 14. The Spirit was dealing with me on the plane coming here on Sunday, and I was. I was writing some things down. And then my husband got up to minister yesterday, and I was like, that was my message. And I always delight when we're right in step. Because when I was talking to the Spirit about this, and I said, lord. Ah, well, let's read First Corinthians 14, Verse 2. For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but unto God. For no man understands him howbeit in the Spirit, he Speaks mysteries. Mysteries in the Spirit. When we are speaking in an unknown tongue, we are speaking out God's mysteries. And so I said to the Spirit of God and to the Lord, I said, lord, you know where we're going to minister? They know this verse. They know how to pray in the Spirit. And he said this. He said, knowing how to pray. Is not being in the Spirit. Come on. You know, you actually have to do what the word says to do to actually pray out mysteries. You actually have to pray. Big revelation here, guys. Big revelation. In order to pray out mysteries, one must actually yield their tongue and speak out in other tongues. In other words, we have to make time. We actually have to do this. We can't just say, well, I know how to do that. I learned that in Bible school. When was that for us? That Bible school was a long time ago. What have you been doing since? Praise the Lord. Listen, whatever I say, I mean, we got our. We got our corrections. We got our coaching last night. We got coached up. So I'll be. What I say is going to be sweet. It was sweet last night. I mean, I was excited. Praise God. Glory to God. He that speaks in an unknown tongue.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Speaks not to men, but unto God. Step number one, don't just go to men. Don't just go to mama. Don't just go to other church members. Don't just go to pastor. Go to God. Go to God. When problems come up, he's the revealer. He's the one that helps us pray out mysteries. We go to God speaking an unknown tongue. Glory to God. So that last phrase in the amplified says, in the Holy Spirit, he utters secret truths and hidden things not obvious to the understanding. Not obvious. Not obvious to the understanding. Joel was talking yesterday about the fact that so many of us, myself included, go to the mind first. And we go through the file cabinets of the mind trying to find our answer. And when it's not there, we think, well, we'll try again later tonight and see if it's there when God has shown us where we can find every answer that we need. Now, if we could, this morning, let's look in Daniel Chapter two, I'm actually going to read out of the ESV because it just reads a little bit easier. So you can just listen if you want. But in Daniel chapter two, we know this story. I hope that. You know, Daniel, of course, was under several different regimes, kings, leaders. And in this case, he was under a leader, a ruler named Nebuchadnezzar.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And Nebuchadnezzar had. Had a dream. You've ever had a weird dream, you wake up and you go to, you know, go to tell somebody, boy, I had the strangest dream. And they say, well, what was it? And you think, I can't even. It was so strange. But you can't even really remember. You just wake up going, oh, what was that? Well, that's the kind of dream Nebuchadnezzar had. But it disturbed him. There was something in that dream, and he wanted to know what was this dream trying convey? And so he gathered together all of his wise guys, his astrologers, his wise men, his enchanters, whatever he had in his kingdom, he gathers them all together. And he said, I had a bad dream. I need you to tell me what it. You know, what it's about. And they said, sure, no problem. Tell us the dream. That's the thing. That's the thing, guys. I don't exactly know what the dream was, but I know I need to know what it means. And they said, no, it doesn't work that way, King. Sorry, sorry. You got to give us something to work with so that we can interpret. I mean, this is a very logical, you know, request. And Nebuchadnezzar, he gets mad. He's like, no, no, I don't know what the dream is. That's why I brought you here. I need to know what it was, and I need to know what it means. And he gets so mad, he's like, all right, if y' all can't figure it out, you're dead. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Off with the head. Praise the Lord. So Daniel hears about this, and he convinces the leaders there, the military guys, he's like, listen, can you just hold the king off? Give me 24 hours. Give me 24 hours. And this is, Daniel seeks God. He seeks God. And in Daniel, chapter two, verse 19, he says, then the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision of the night. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. Daniel answered, listen, when God speaks to you, answer, answer. If you want more mysteries to be revealed, learn how to respond correctly. Ha. Even if he just gives you a piece of the puzzle. Father. Ah, thank you for that. Yesterday, when we were praying, a mystery was revealed for me. There was things I was wanting to know how to better do, how to better pray out. And he showed those things to me. Well, we give him glory for that. We take into account every little thing that he has ever shown us, and we give him glory for it. And so Daniel, the mystery was this Is amazing.

[Nancy's Husband]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

God showed Daniel someone else's dream. And the interpretation, the mystery, was revealed to Daniel. And so Daniel blessed the God of heaven and he answered, blessed be the name of God forever and ever. To whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and season, seasons. He removes kings and sets up kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and hidden things. He knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells in him. To you, O God of my fathers, I give praise for you have given me wisdom and might and have now made known to me what we've asked of you. For you've made known to us the king's matter. Glory to God. Hallelujah. So Daniel goes before the king and he tells him the dream, and he tells him the interpretation. And in verse 27, it says, Daniel answered the king and said, no wise man, no enchanter, no magician or astrologer can show to the king the mystery that the king has asked. But there is a God. But there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. And he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. There is a God in heaven. Glory to God. He reveals mysteries. Now, back in the Old Testament, it took somebody like Daniel, who stood in a particular ministry office to receive these mysteries from God, to see, see and understand that which God was trying to reveal to his man. But today in the New Testament, glory to God. In the church age, the Spirit of God dwells in you. He dwells in me. And he is still today the revealer of secrets. Glory to God. Say this. Say he reveals to me that which I need to know. Hallelujah. Glory to God. He reveals. He's a revealer. He's a revealer. That means any situation, any problem. It's not just knowing he's a revealer. It's going to the place where he reveals. That place is in the Spirit.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And we get there by speaking in other tongues. Praise God. Praise God. Hallelujah. Oh, speaking mysteries. Glory to God. How be it in this? In the Spirit. In the Spirit. He speaks out mysteries. He utters secret truths and hidden things not obvious to the understanding. Not obvious to the understanding. The message of First Corinthians 14:2, that last part, it says, you are sharing intimacies just between you and him. Sharing intimacies. The passion says he is speaking intimate mysteries in the Spirit. When you are praying in other tongues, you are speaking out intimate mysteries in the spirit. Intimate mysteries. Glory to God. These things are mysteries to us, but not to Him. And when we take time to pray in other tongues, it allows us to enter into a realm. His realm, his place. Glory to God. Where it's all of a sudden it's not just other tongues coming out of our mouth, but something's connected to that. And we're starting to speak and decree things in a mystery to our natural understanding, but we're saying things, and we're calling for things from his realm to come into this realm. And we are making an effect on the earth from his place. I don't know if this is making any sense to you, but this is. Huh. It's a divine privilege that he's offered to every believer. Yes, but so few, so few access these things. Not because. Not because of any amount of. How do we say? Not just because they're a new believer or not just because they haven't been in the things of God for very long. No, many, many, many know about these things. And I can add myself into this. There's been seasons in my life where I've been active in the spirit realm. Active meaning every day I'm aware of his realm as much as I'm aware of this natural realm. There's been other seasons of my life. Just tell off on me so I don't have to talk about you. There's been other seasons of my life where I have allowed myself to get more busy with the natural. Than I was with the spirit. There were times. There was a season for, gosh, 11, almost 12 years we lived in Buffalo, New York. We pioneered a church up there, praise God. It was a wonderful time. But life was busy. Things were busy. We were raising up a work. I was working a secular job. I was raising little ones, you know, as well, there was a lot going on and just doing the work of the ministry and doing everything else. I let myself get more aligned with the natural. And there was a gal, I'll never forget this. There was a gal that started coming to our church at that time, and she had just recently gotten born again. And she was. She was precious. She was just a sponge when you would minister. She was soaking in the word and she was learning how to pray in the spirit. And one day after a Sunday service, she came up to me and I mean, she was her. She was glowing, right? And she was like, you know, when, when pastor preached. My husband was the pastor at the time, and he said, when pastor preached, he was saying this. And. And this week when I was praying before I got here, God had shown me this and this. And that's what pastor preached on. And. And she was just like, boom, boom, boom. And I. And. And while she's saying this, I'm rejoicing. But on the inside, I'm thinking, I'm not there. I'm the pastor's wife, but I'm not where she is right now. Being keen in the spirit, being accurate in those things, being more aware of his realm than of this natural one. And I had to take some inventory that day, get before God and say, father, forgive me for allowing natural to take precedence over supernatural. And sometimes we've got to take those heart checks, right? Why? Because there's mysteries to be prayed out. There are things in his realm that we are to cooperate with, to bring into manifestation in the natural realm. Our family members, the people that we're around every day, we can make an effect in their lives. Our co workers, we can bring God to them, but only as we take time to participate with him in his realm. Now, we say these things because so many of us know some of these scriptures. And yet it's the doing of these scriptures that creates power, that helps us bring out the mysteries that need to be brought out. My husband last week, he's been believing for years for a. He likes to mountain bike. And for years he's wanted a new mountain bike, something. Something better, something different. And in that time, while we were just waiting for the right time to do that for him, they have now come out with something called an E bike. Right? We live in Colorado. It's not flat in Colorado. And when we're talking about mountain biking, it's actually mountains a lot of times, and just taking your bike out there and trying to go up, it's not always pleasant. And yes, it's supposed to be exercise, but, you know, sometimes my husband would come home and goes, I'm pretty sure my heart came out of my body at some point and I had to stop and let it get back in. And so they've come out with this new thing, these eating. I say new. That's been around for quite some time now. But he kept saying, I want to get an E bike. What is that? It's an electric power. It gives you power, it assists you. And I kept telling him because in my mind, an E bike, I was thinking, like, I don't know, like a moped or something where you just push the button and you go. And I'm like, that's cheating. That's cheating. The whole idea of going out for a bike ride is to get exercise. And if you have an electric bike, I mean, you're just, okay, time to go up the hill. And now I'd like that kind of bike. I really don't. Yeah, that's why we have motorcycles. Just to go. But no, he. We were able last week. The point is, last week we were able to purchase that for him, get that for him. And what I didn't realize was you can get different models and versions of this. But what he got, it's called a power assist. Am I saying that right? Sure. He said it has different, you know, different speeds or amounts of power it will help assist you with. But until you pedal, There's no power assisting you when he starts. And he said, you have to start pedaling and you have to get to a certain rpm. Thank you. You have to pedal enough to where the bike realizes, oh, we're going now. Let's assist. Glory to God. And he came home and told me that. I said, now that will preach. Bless the Lord. You understand everything. Everything's a sermon illustration. Power assist. The power's there in the bike, but until you start pedaling, there's no assistance given. Until we start yielding in our prayer life, speaking in other tongues. Glory to God. There's going to be no assist, no mysteries are going to be revealed. No power is going to be made available. Nothing is going to be done or brought into this natural realm without us initiating the process. Glory to God. What does that mean? Sorry, guys. There's going to be a bit of effort involved. It's no longer God. Just do something. He did. He gave us the helper. He gave us the one who reveals mysteries. Glory to God. Hallelujah. So he wants to reveal these things to us. And my husband said this right before we went to prayer yesterday. He said, if we'll have constant communion with the Creator, we can have constant communities. Communication with the Creator. If we'll have constant communion. What does that mean? Every part of my day, I'm fellowshipping with him. I'm. I'm interacting with him. I'm praising him. I'm looking on the inside for what he's leading and guiding me to do. If we will develop that type of relationship with him, him constant communion with the Creator of the universe, then the Creator of all things will communicate to us. Communicate to us. Glory to God. We are to pray in tongues to enter into his realm. But if we could, this morning, I'd like to put a few disclaimers on this process, few warning signs, guidelines, because. Because many of Us know how to pray in tongues. Many of us know how to pray, and that's wonderful. But we've got to guard ourselves sometimes. Hmm. Because when he starts to reveal things to us. Well, again, I'll just talk about me. I started giving myself more and more to the things of God, to prayer. And he started showing me things, you know, that's pretty exciting. And so I was so excited that when I got together with my prayer group the next time, I was like, God showed me this, and God showed me this. And God showed me this. And God showed me this. And God showed me this. And God showed me this, and God showed me this. And we're going to pray about this because God showed me this. Well, it was true. The Lord was revealing things to me. But, you know, the more I started talking about that, all of a sudden God wasn't showing me so many. And then I started realizing, wait a minute. Secrets, Secrets, secrets. That's a word. Have you ever told somebody something? And by the time you got to church the next Sunday, everybody knew? He needs us to help bring his will to pass on the earth. We don't do it, but we cooperate with him when we speak in other tongues, when we pray things out in the spirit, we're cooperating with him and he will show us some things. This does not mean we are authorized to get up and reveal it to everyone we know. Just going to help us a little bit today. I'm not saying you're not supposed to say some things. I'm saying check with him first. Because, listen, I was just. Guess what? Guess what God showed. And, you know, I was just excited. I was excited. And we all get excited that God is using us and revealing things to us. But if we really want to get intimate, listen, there's things my husband and I talk about together that we don't share with anyone else. They're intimate. If you want to have an intimate relationship with him, him, you're going to guard that which he reveals. And only at his prompting will we share those things with others. And when we get to that place where. Father, is that. Is that for the pulpit? Is that for me to tell that person? Or am I just supposed to hold that here in your presence and continue to pray that thing out? Am I supposed to just hold that person up to you? Is that one of my assignments? God gives assignments to us. Those assignments are for the spirit, not for the natural. Sometimes he'll have a step into the natural. There's times where God will put someone on my heart And I know, text that person, check on them, but I typically don't start with, I've been praying in the spirit for you. I prayed 10 hours yesterday. I don't normally pray 10 hours. I'm just, you know, I've been praying and God showed me this and this and this and this. And, you know. Are you okay? No. Most of the time I'll just be like, thinking about you. Love you. How's it going? Why? Because he's. Listen, listen. He wants to take out. He wants to take us out of the picture. And if we're not careful, you know, listen, we've all met people that say, well, God told me this, and God said this, and the Spirit said that, you know, and you can all. You can tell when they're saying it. They're just trying to sound spiritual. That's nobody here in this room. You know, sky took.

[Nancy's Husband]

They.

[Nancy Dufresne]

They might do it in Skytook. Catoosa. Catoosa for sure. But not here in Collinsville. That's not us. But. But we still want to be guarded in our. Even in our excitement that God would show us some things. We want to make sure that we can be a keeper of those secrets.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Why? Because we want him to use us more. We want to participate more. We want to be in the intimate circle. You ever want to be in that circle and, you know, in that, I want to be with those people. Listen, with him, hey, glory to God. You can be in the in crowd. Hey, glory to God. I was never really good with being in the in crowd, but with him, Praise God. Hallelujah. We're in. We're in. We're in. We're in Him. He's in us. Glory to God. So just when we get to this place where he starts to reveal these things, know that they're between him and me, his spirit and my spirit. And I'm a keeper of those things. It's not my job to reveal it to somebody else. He's the revealer now. If he wants to use my mouth to help someone, he'll help me know that. Does that make sense? Praise the Lord. Glory to God. So how we handle his things matters. Listen, when we get born again, one of the first things we learn when we come to church is we're supposed to. Every part of our life is supposed to be given to God. You know, we teach people. You're supposed to tithe. Why? Because we want to honor God with what comes into us. So we're going to take portion of it, 10% and we're going to give it to God. What are we doing? How we handle the things in our life matters. God gets a part of every portion of our. How we handle his realm, his secrets. It matters. It matters if we want to be used. Now if you don't want to be used, you do you. The second thing I want to remind us about. First thing is we are going to be a keeper of those secrets. The second thing I want to remind us of is this we know part. First Corinthians tells us he reveals mysteries, but it's not always going to come like Daniel got it, where you get the whole dream and the whole interpretation. Most of the time when I'm praying in other tongues, if there's a person on my heart, I just know it's for them. And I might get a sense, you hear me? Not words, a sense of what is happening in their life. There might be a demonic presence, there might be some oppression, there might be a family matter. Whatever it is, I get a general direction. That's enough. But most of us, myself included, have a mind. Most of us and our minds love to get involved. Listen, when I was growing up, I loved. I love mysteries. I still like mysteries, murder mysteries and things like that. Why? Because you spend the whole book or movie trying to figure out who done it right and your mind is grabbing all the little clues and trying to put them together. And it's been years since I've read a mystery, but you know, there was authors like Agatha Christie. No matter how many clues you gather, you are not guessing who did it. Why? Because when the insurance inspector or the investigator comes up and reveals it, he adds details that they never told you about the whole book. Well, if I got those details, I would have known who did it. He speaks in part. He gives us parts of the mystery.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Why?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because he's the one that knows all. And we're never going to get up there and say, I know all of it, I know the whole story. No, he gives in part. So we take the part he's given us and we don't let our mind get involved with it. Don't try to figure out who did it. Don't try to solve the mystery on your own with your mind. There's times when you're praying in other tongues and an English word will come out. I know this is basic and you all know how to pray, but we need to. First of all, there's another generation coming up and we need you. We need you young ones, we need everyone to participate in these Things. If a word, an English word or your native tongue. If something comes out, don't let your mind take it. Stay in the spirit. You can repeat that English word. Listen, remember, plans, purposes, pursuits. Brother Hagin, Right. He was praying out. He woke up in the middle of the night, he started to pray in the Spirit, and he was praying out, plans, plans, plans, purposes. And he finally stopped and said, father, there's something else to that. He had two English words, so there's something else. What is it? And then pursuits, pursuits what? When English starts coming out, we can stop. And you can almost sense on the inside there's more to that. And you can stop in First Corinthians. We didn't get there in 14. But it says, pray that he may interpret. This does not mean you're going to interpret every single word you speak out. In other times, that which needs to be revealed. Father, it seems to me, what does. What is that? You can ask him these things. What is that? And it doesn't mean you're going to get all. Everything in English or you're going to be speaking out the interpretation to everything you're saying, but you might just get that sense. Ah, that's what it is. Glory to God. Glory to God. So we know in part. We receive these things in part. And I might get a couple parts, and Pastor Dave might get a couple parts, and you know, you might get a couple parts. Does that mean we all have to get together and talk about it? No. We're all in different parts of the country. But if we'll all take our place and each bring the part that is our part and lift that up, the whole thing can come together. Praise God. And we want to get to this. We want to get to this. Hallelujah. The third thing. And then we will get to prayer here. The third thing is this. He reveals when and how he wants to. He reveals when and how he wants to. I don't make him reveal things. Glory to God. I don't force him to show me things I don't get. I'm bless God. I'm going to get in the spirit realm and I'm going to stay there until he shows me the answer. No, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go into the spirit realm and I'm going to ask him what he would like to reveal today. Who are we praying for today? I know I have my list of things I want to know about. But, Father, today, what's on your heart? Where are we going today? What do you need prayed out today? Listen, there's times when I come and I want him to reveal something about how I'm going to pay that bill next week. And he wants me to pray for China. If you will follow him and pray out his things, the bill will be taken care of. And you don't even ever have to touch it in your thought life. You don't have to figure it out. Glory to God. He reveals what he needs you to know now, what he needs done now. And most of the time, it's for someone else. Praise the Lord. And that's by design. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Hallelujah.

[Nancy's Husband]

Wow. We've been to Spirit School, haven't we? Amen. One thing you said that I just before we pray, I want to reiterate is that applications are open for God is accepting applications for those who want to work with him in this area of prayer.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes.

[Nancy's Husband]

Because in the last days, there's so much that needs to be prayed out.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes.

[Nancy's Husband]

And you've trusted him. Now he needs people he can trust.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Right? Right.

[Nancy's Husband]

Can he trust you? And I'll tell you if it's an exciting place, you get to go places, see things and do things, if you'll be one that works with him. So we're going to pray today. Yes. Amen. That was great stuff.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hallelujah.

[Nancy's Husband]

That was great stuff.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Revealer. Revealer.

[Nancy's Husband]

Yeah. Now you don't have to. You don't have to clap. It's just my wife. Praise the Lord. But let's. But it was good. Let's pray. Listen, we're just going to pray towards God's plan and let him take us where he wants to take us. Amen. Is that all right? As we said yesterday, because there might be some that are here today that weren't here yesterday. If you're here, you've never prayed, in other words, tongues before. That's, of course, not the only way to pray.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Right.

[Nancy's Husband]

But it is a way that every Christian can and should pray. And so really, we invite you because it belongs to you. And while we're in this atmosphere, it's just real easy, you know, without even having a call for people to come up. You can just say, father, thank you for filling me, and I will speak in tongues now and just start to do it. You have God's permission. You have my permission.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Mission.

[Nancy's Husband]

I'm telling you, be real bold. Just start speaking and he will give you utterance.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And don't stop, don't.

[Nancy's Husband]

Don't stop. And analyze. Don't stop.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Right.

[Nancy's Husband]

Think did you hear what I said? Don't stop and think. Less thinking, more praying, more speaking. Praise the Lord. Come on. Father. Thank you today for who you are.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank you, Jesus.

[Nancy's Husband]

Thank you for your great plan for the earth, for the hour that we're in. For that which is. For that which is shortly coming to pass. Glory to God. Things that are. That are ahead. Things that we're in. Thank you, father, for the parts of your plan that need to be prayed out today. And so we yield ourselves to the spirit of God in prayer now. And friends, you can lift your voice up with us. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. For the frame for the. For the frame. For the frame. For the framing of the rataste. The framing of the ratilski. For the framing of the ratilla. Tell them to. Tell them to see. Tell them to brackle. Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. What's up.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Kataki.

[Nancy's Husband]

Manicles.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Oh, yes, yes. Divine direction. Divine direction. Oh, no, they won't miss that turn. Don't miss that turn. Don't miss that.

[Nancy's Husband]

No, no, no, no.

[Nancy Dufresne]

But they'll see. They'll know. Oh, they'll see. They'll know. They'll see which way to go. Day.

[Nancy's Husband]

That's what's important. That's what's necessary. That's what needs to be removed.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Removed.

[Nancy's Husband]

In some cases, removed. Thank you, father. Thank you, father. Thank you, master.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Nancy's Husband]

Thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Nancy's Husband]

Thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Thanks.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Praise.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Praise.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Glory. Okay.

[Nancy's Husband]

Thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank you.

[Nancy's Husband]

Thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Stand up and praise.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Thank you.

[Nancy's Husband]

My unction kind of left. Did you have anybody?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Have.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

Sir. Okay.

[Nancy's Husband]

All right.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

And I don't want to take anything. I just want to add to. The Lord showed me years ago. I didn't know really what it meant. I thought it was about assembling.

[Nancy Dufresne]

In.

[Charles Kemp Brown]

The church, but years ago, and I'm preaching, I'm traveling, and I'm, you know, my calling. Training champions. And he said, tell the church to stop gathering. Okay. And then he said, tell them to assemble. So I look up the definitions. Gather to assemble. Assemble to gather. It was a secret and a mystery. I wanted to reveal it yet. But now I know more of the meaning because of what I heard today. And so I continue to pray. And I got one of my places because of Jerry Savelle was the Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary. Now, if you don't know about him, you need to get that in your study material. He was asked by our forefathers to. To. We wanted our own dictionary, and we had the, you know, the. The One from England. And so they said, the only one we want to write it is Noah Webster, because he's such a man of God and he was so educated, so knowledgeable. So they asked him, and he said, of course I'll do it, but only on one condition, if I can base it off the Bible. And so he wrote the dictionary I believe that God wanted us to have. And he puts all these verses in it, if you haven't looked at it. And so I look in there, and it's 1828, right? And he says to gather. And he says, you know, talking about gathering stones, he says, when you gather, your result is a pile of stones, but when you assemble, your result is a fireplace. When you gather them, they're a pile. And the Lord said to me, I don't need another pile. And there's even big piles, but when they join together. And he was talking about, in the spirit forsake, not the assembly. Amen. And we are to assemble together. Amen. That's what we were doing. That's what they're leading us to do, is to gather or to assemble together. And so was a fireplace important in 1828? Hello, McFly. It was what, heat cooking. I mean, Bonanza. They had a huge one, and they were the biggest family in that area. But who is described as the fire? So the whole. There's places that assemble together so that the fire. The Holy Spirit. Amen. That's what it was. That's what it is. Praise God. And of course, it is to go to church, but, man, it's more than that. It's more than that. And then I just want to say one more thing. And I'm so thankful for all of what they brought Mama. One time I was. She was in my vehicle for some reason, I don't know, and I pulled out. We were living in Branson. And she goes, chip, are you going to sell your house? And I said, yeah, I'm selling because the Lord, you know, told me to. She said, well, are you going to sell it by realtor or are you going to sell it by owner? I said, I don't know. And she looked at me and she goes, charles Kemp Brown. I like what now when you get the full name, you know, Oklahoma, you know, I know I'm in trouble. What do you mean? She goes, are you born again? I said, mom, you were there when I got born again. It was right over in that building right over there. I was 10 years old. She said, then the Holy Spirit lives inside of you, and he is the spirit of truth. And he knows all. And when you say you don't know, you. You grieve the one who does know. So there's a simple little training matter of champions. Champions talk differently. They change their vocabulary. They don't say if we win, they say, when we win. And so he'll reveal it to you, but in, you know, in the right time, in the right place. But I do know. Glory to God. Because he's in me who does know. So I quit saying I don't know. Amen. He knows. He'll reveal it to me. Amen. At the right time, at the right place. Glory to God. And I thank God for. Are y' all okay with this? Because, man, I don't want to do this just because. But when the Lord called me to train, he said, I've called. I said, in my office, he said, now's the time. And I said, lord, how can I preach? All I know how to do is coach. I was the only one in our family. And I said, how can I preach? All I know how to do is coach. And he said, did I not help you train? Everybody say train. Did I not help you train champions in baseball for all those years? And I gave him all the glory. And I said, yeah, Lord. And he said, and I gave you all the glory. He said, then I will help you train. Say train champions for me, because I'm coming back for a champion church. Now, that's where you should have got excited right there. And champions, they assemble together. You can have a team that's just loaded with talent, but if they don't assemble together, they're not going to win it. They're not going to win it. They're going to hit their ceiling, and they're not going to go as far as they could. As far as they could go. Amen. Glory to God. So we're getting training. And you know what training is? It's repetition. That's why brother Hagin called it Rhema Bible Training Center. And did brother Hagin repeat it? Did he. Hello. Again. Again, again. And that's how champions are made. Again. Stimulus, response. Until it becomes a hat. Until it's just you react. Until you react. The hardest thing to do in sports is to train a baseball player to hit a ball that's coming from 60ft, 6 inches at 100 miles an hour. You have no time to think. Thinking is not involved. You don't want thinking. So we have ways of training and training and training and repetition until that muscle responds, stimuli responds, and they just react. And that's what Brother Hagin did. He preached love until. Until we got it. And then we would just react in love and react in faith. Amen. Glory to God. Hey, was that not awesome today? Glory. Thank you, man. I love training. I love training. And entertaining's okay. It's the cherry on top. But training is what we're after. That's what we need.

[Nancy Dufresne]

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