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Hear From God | Nancy Dufresne | Prayer Conference 2024 | Wednesday PM
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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. We glorify you. No other name is worthy. No other name is worthy. No other name is worthy. No other name is equal. We thank you, Father, that that name belongs to us. We're in that that name is ours. And we thank you for it. We thank you for it. We thank you for it. We glorify. We magnify. We thank you, Jesus. We glorify you. We thank you, Father. You know, I. I was blessed by what Pastor Craig shared because it's pertinent to every one of us. Pertinent to every one of us. And many, many do not understand the importance of what he was talking about. And I don't. And I'm going to tag on some to what he said. And it has nothing to do with. In connection with this ministry that I'm saying it. I'm saying it because it's a truth. We all have to walk in. Many think that they're connected just because they know where they're supposed to be connected. That's not connection. I mean, you know, in 25 years of pastoring, there would be times that I would be out, and other pastors no doubt have run into this. You're out, maybe the grocery store, restaurant, somebody comes up to you, oh, this is my pastor. And I go, wow, I don't know you. But they think just because they know that you should be their pastor, they think they have a pastor and they don't have a pastor. And that's the danger. They think they have one. It would be like with a car. And I don't know about today's builds on cars, but the ones we grew up with, spark plugs, all the different things. You can't just. A car builder can't just take all the things that belong under the hood and just drop them in the hood. They have to be rightly connected. Not just present. Not just present, because you can have all the components. But if one isn't connected right, none of the other components are effective as they should be. And things may look like they're moving and will work, but you get partway down the road and then it's felt that some something's out of place. It's not enough to know where we're connected, to be connected and say, that's connection. That's not connection. And I say this for congregation members, toward their pastors. I say it for whoever God has connected you to. I'm not talking about me in this ministry. I'm talking about a truth that is so important. And that's one of the things that Jesus said to me that night in St. Petersburg, Russia, with the double port anointing visitation. He said, you will have to be rightly connected and stay connected to your divine supply or you will not fulfill all. I've had two times now that God has sent me to churches and he sent me for the reason he said, because these pastors, and on both times he said, they won't finish their course. One he said will die prematurely unless they get rightly connected. And it matters that we're sensitive to that and we don't just give a token appearance or a token phrase and say, you're, you're a voice in my life. There has to be evidence. And as he said, proximity, proximity, proximity. It's so, so important that we don't think that social media is the proximity God's referring to. Listen, thank God for social media in the sea of things you can receive when people can't be there. But what happens is people get a. They take a substitute for proper connection and think that it's just because, you know, just because you can. A great benefit today is a lot of people can work from home, right? I mean, for mamas and stuff, that they can still be with their babies and work from home and stuff. That's great. That works with a natural profession sometimes, but it didn't work in the laws of the spirit. It's not, you can't, you can't call it functioning the same. So just be sober. Be, be sober. Don't be duped by thinking I know where I'm supposed to be. I listen, I watch. That is not always equal, proper connection. Be aware. And I'm talking to congregation members regarding their pastors, I'm talking to ministers regarding whoever. God connects them too. So we, we need to be sober about it. We need to be sober because some, some things, it's. It's life and death. It's life and death and it matters. And if you're going to stay rightly connected, you can never measure convenience and you can never let money decide how close your proximity is because there is always demands on our money and your demand that that money is to serve your connection first. And that's what the prophet was saying to the, to the widow woman. He said, make your cake. Then he said, bring it to me. He didn't say, make mine. Excuse me. He said, make my cake. Bring it to me. He didn't say, make mine, then make one for. And your son, he said, make one for me, bring it to me, then go back and make for you. Why? Because you'll be so tempted to start sharing what you haven't yet presented. And when you're starving, you could take. I'll just take half of his. And bring it so you don't touch into it dog ear income and say, this is for my connection. I'm not talking about offerings, just. I'm talking about to get there. The expenses, the cost, getting there. Because your money is first and foremost for the plan of God. First and foremost. It's not first and foremost for your mortgage. First and foremost for the plan of God. Amen. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Pastor Craig, thank you. That was. That was rich. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. We'll turn around to somebody before you're seated, give them a great big God bless you tonight. Hallelujah. We're going to endeavor to kind of pick up where we were last night. Isaiah, chapter 1. In verse 18, the King James translation, God is speaking, and he says, come now and let us reason together, saith the Lord. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. So he's saying, never let your sin of the past stop you from coming, because you're clean. You're clean. Verse 19. If you be willing and obedient. If I could say this. If you'll be willing and obedient to come. If you'll be willing and obedient to come and let us reason together. If you'll be willing and obedient to do that, you'll eat the good of the land. Why? Because in the coming, you'll not just be heard, you will hear. Verse 20. But if you refuse. If you refuse what? If you refuse to come and let us reason together, you shall be devoured with a sword. And that's not God sentencing people to that. That is God letting us know without coming, something's against you. And what's against you can gain advantage if you don't come. And listen to what I know about your situation. And in reading the living Bible, the first phrase, verse 18, says, Come, let's talk this over. And we spent some time last night referring to that because God invites us to come and talk things over so you can be heard, but also so he can be heard. Amen. Because hearing him changes the outcome if you act on what you hear. Amen. If you act on what you hear, we have to learn to agree with what we hear, regardless of what we would have thought should be done. It's dangerous to hear and decide not to. Dangerous to hear and decide not to. Let me jump around here a minute. I was in one setting talking to a family years ago, my husband and I. And. Go with me. Let's go to Exodus chapter 25. Exodus chapter 25. And I want us to start in verse eight. And this is the amplified classic translation. So if you have a device, you can pull that up, you may want to do that. Exodus chapter 25 and verse 8. Moses was receiving from God instruction of how to build the tabernacle. And he said, Exodus 25, verse 8, Let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them. Talking about the Hebrews delivered out of Egypt. And you shall make it according to all that I show you. Look at this. All that I show you. All that I show you. Don't leave out something. Is what he said. Make it according to all that I show you. The pattern of the tabernacle or dwelling, and the pattern of all the furniture of it. Verse 40 of Exodus 25, Just flip down, look down, and it says, and see to it. God is still talking to him about this building of the tabernacle. And see to it that you copy exactly their pattern which was shown. Look at this. Shown you on the mountain. Shown you on the mountain. What's he talking about? Shown you in the presence of God. When you were in the presence of God and you heard and you saw, go out and replicate that. Follow that. Because when you're in the presence of God, it's easy to agree, right? When you first hear and God speaks to you about something, it's easy to agree. But then when you leave the place of revelation and now you're just carrying the revelation, you're not carrying the feeling of the revelation. You might not sense that presence. God still expects you to. You do it. Exactly. It was shown you on the mount in the presence of God, regardless of whether you sense me or not, whatever he said to you. My husband and I were talking years ago to a couple, and we had asked them about a certain someone close to them. And how are they doing? Not doing so well. Well, why? Well, you know, our son was considering marrying someone, and at one point of worshiping God just on his own, God spoke and says, don't marry that one. And they came in to the parent and said, God just said this to me. And so they went to the fiance and said, I can't do it. But see the fiance didn't hear that. You can't go. You can't be influenced by people who didn't hear what you heard on the mountain. You cannot factor in their voice, even if you love them, even if they love you. You cannot take in the voice of someone who God didn't speak to on the Mount. That's good, because when Moses came off that mount, God said, see to it that you do it exactly as it was shown you on the mount. Why? Because you're going to come down among 3 million people who have opinions and options when you hear. You cannot take counsel from those who did not hear what you heard. And if you do, you get in trouble with God because He knows what you heard. And you have to not let even your own reasonings sway you away from what you heard just because you no longer feel his presence that you felt when you first heard it. You have to hold to that moment. And when you walk away and you don't sense his presence that way, you have to hold fast. Hold fast to what he said, because your own reasonings, finances, your own circumstances can try to persuade you. And it will seem like adjusting just a little bit is no big deal. Doing something a little bit differently, it might save me more. Do it exactly as it was shown you on the Mount. It was critical that we do this. I have talked. So anyway, so that person met with their fiance, and of course the fiance wasn't on the mount with him. Didn't hear. That is what I mean. So they didn't agree, so they persuaded and they went ahead and went against what? And then it's years, years of heartache, and then you have children, and then it's compounded. Why? Because you laid down what you heard? Just because you don't feel the same thing you felt when you heard it, you don't feel that anointing. You don't. And then people are wanting God to repeat themselves, repeat Himself when they get out of that place. And he doesn't have to. You're not assured of him repeating it, because once you've heard it, he expects you to hold to it. I heard something recently. God give me, tell me to do something. And I waited a little bit because this was a new territory for me. And I wanted to. It was a sobering thing. And I didn't just want to barge right into it. And I kept waiting for him to maybe confirm it and say something later, and he didn't. But I went ahead and did it because it stayed with me. You know, when you've heard. It stays. You can dismiss it if you want. But if you'll stay sensitive to the spirit, you don't dismiss it. And God never said another thing to me. And then I acted on it. And after I did it, then he spoke to me again about that. What am I saying? If he says it once, you're not assured of twice. And if you wait for twice before you obey. What did we read in Isaiah? Devour. There's a devourer. And what happened with this young man is because he heard that. But because others who didn't hear, he gave his ear to them. They swayed him away from what he heard. It's critical that when you hear that, you hold to that regardless of what you feel. Why? Because it's the truth and no lie. It's the truth and no lie. It's the truth and no lie. And I've been surprised at times when people would say God said something to me. And then they. The next time I see them, they're doing the exact opposite. And I go, right. I'm baffled by that. That frightens me in a reverent way. So know this. When he says, come, let us reason together. He expects what he says to be regarded in that hearing. He expects us to. And he's not harsh. I'm not saying do this or else. That's not his approach. But there has to be honor for what you're hearing that you don't just dismiss it because you don't feel something anymore or because no one else heard it. I know what God said to me, and I'm holding to it. Amen. I can't tell you. After Ed's homegoing, God would say things to me about these critical projects we had to finish. He would say things to me, and he would say it once. And I would have to hold to that thing to get me to the other side. And I was so grateful because what he said was my anchor. And I just repeated what he said over and over. I would repeat it to myself.
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That I wouldn't get swayed by what I saw and what I heard from out here in circumstances. Amen. Now go with me, if you would. Let's go to Romans 10. You know the verse, Romans 10, verse 17. What am I saying when you say, when he says, come, let's talk together? There has to be an approach. When you come to him is when you say something, I will regard that. I will honor that. You're not talking optional words to me. They're critical. And I have found this. I have had God say things to me that to me weren't a big deal. But down the road it was big. If God's word, if God gets involved now, it's important if he says something to you regarding a certain situation that you didn't even think needed really his input because it's just a daily type thing. But if he says something that gives it weight and there's something connected down the road, so don't treat it lightly, even if it seems like he's speaking to you about something you would think insignificant now. Romans 10:17. So then faith cometh by what?
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Hearing and hearing by the word of God. The written word and the spoken word too. Both. Faith comes by hearing what God says about it. Until you hear what God says about it, you're not safe to move ahead. Because what God says about it is your answer to opposition. And when you go to move ahead, you're going to have opposition. And you better not move ahead until he has put an answer in your mouth to opposition. Does that make sense to you? Faith comes by hearing what God says. Until you've heard what God said to you about your situation, you're going to lack faith in dealing with that. You have to hear what he says. Faith comes when you hear. Hearing it settles it for you. Hearing what he says settles it for you. His written word is general and specific instruction for all of us. But sometimes we have to have more specifics because the word doesn't always spell out the specifics you're going to face. I was asked by recently I was asked by a minister and said, you know, you. What do you attribute to what kept you on course when your husband left? I said one thing. Hearing, hearing. That's because when I heard, I knew exactly what steps to take. It didn't matter whether they were legal steps. It didn't matter whether it was ministry steps, financial steps. The hearing is the success of it. But then you have to take, you have to follow exactly what you heard without adjustment, without alteration, and without your own input. Proverbs, chapter four. Proverbs, chapter four. While you're there, let me harp back here a moment to Romans 10:17. So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, or what God says. The word of God is what he say. What he says. It's what he says. Hearing God gives you the faith to do what he says. That's key. Hearing gives you the faith to do it. Abraham or Abram heard, I'm going to make you a father of many nations. God didn't say that to Lot. Lot could not take that and do in line with that. Could. Couldn't do it. Why? Because God didn't say that to him. That's how important hearing is. That's why you don't just adopt what God said to someone else and say, I like that pastor. You don't adopt how you run your church based on how God told another pastor to run his church. Don't do it because if God didn't say it to you, you don't have the faith for that. Well, I'm a faith person. You don't have the faith for what God didn't say. You can't barrel your way into. Years ago, Fred Price had, and I never read it. I just remember the title of hearing people talk about faith, foolishness or presumption. Because people were saying, what was faith? And it wasn't really faith. What is presumption? Presuming to move ahead when you haven't heard. You're on dangerous territory. Our safety is in hearing. Because what we hear now, we can have faith for now we can do it. And that's what when that minister asked, what do you attribute to being able to continue the way you have One thing. Hearing, hearing. I value that. I value that. Proverbs 4. 7. Proverbs 4, verse 7. Wisdom is the principal thing. Therefore get wisdom and with all thy getting, get understanding. When it says wisdom is the principal thing, get wisdom. What God says is his wisdom. So you have to hear what he says. You gotta get that. So that means hearing from God is the principal thing. You understand that? Hearing from God is the principal thing. The wisdom of God for you is the will of God for your life. What's his will for your life? That's his wisdom for you. And you better get that so you don't float and bump and run into walls and drift from here and there and move your family from one location to the next, guessing and going. Get wisdom. Get what God authored for your life. Get it. Amen. And I'll just. For time's sake, I'll just refer to these James, chapter one, verse five. If any man lacks wisdom, let him. It doesn't say, let him walk on by faith. Faith is not meant to take the place of wisdom. Because there is no faith without hearing from God. And many times people are moving ahead. I'm just going ahead in faith, and they haven't heard. That's not faith, that's presumption. If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask. And then James 4. 2. You have not because you ask. Not. Well, I asked and I asked. Asking. When we talk about it, to ask involves to hear back an answer. You can't just say, I asked and then move on. Move on. It was so cute. I was reading. I keep a. Like, in my device, I keep a list of all the cute things that my kids said growing up and my grandbabies say. And Bubby was just learning how to talk. And Bubby had the best words, the best phrases. They were all twisted and garbled. And, you know, they work your way into your family way of talking. You know, 10 years later, you're still using those words that were distorted, you know, and they were at our house and there was evidently something that he had was on the counter and he picked it up and just ate it. And Morgan said, did you ask? And he just kept eating. And she said, did you ask? And he didn't know what she's telling him. He didn't understand. And he keeps saying, she said, did you ask? And he said, ask. He didn't even know what is asking. He just said, ask. I think that's the way a lot of people ask and then walk off. You ask so you can hear. You ask, so you can hear a reply. It's not saying, I talked to the pastor about it because so many will make a decision and then come tell the pastor what they're doing. And then they go, have you talked to your pastor? Oh, yeah, I talked to him. No, you inform. It's not counseling, it's informing. But we do that with God. Ask. And then we walk off before we've heard because we think that what we planned is what he's saying. You get that when you ask. You can't go with your plan to the asking, to the asking party. Don't invite your plan. Because God will not trump what you've chosen. His honor won't let him. His honor won't let him. I take time to hear because there's so many people connected to my hearing right now. We. I don't know, we have around 40 people on staff. I don't just have 40 people on staff. I have 40. Not all, because sometimes I have husband and wife, 40 families. Yes. It's multiplied, people. It's multiplied. I'm aware what I decisions I make are ripple effect out to every one of those. And then there's partners. Hearing is not just connected to you. Husbands hearing is just not about, well, I'm the head of the house and I'm the head of the family, and we're going to do what I want. Jesus, said the husband well, he likened the bride of Christ to how you treat the bride. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep. Jesus wasn't on the earth getting his way and making everybody hop to it, hop to it, hop to it. That's not leading a family. No, it's not. It's my way and hop to it, hop to it. And you better serve me. Jesus did not come to be served. He came and served. So husbands, you have to hear because it affects your wife, it affects your children, it affects the testimony your children will carry through life about God. Because if they get thrown from one place of problem to another because we're guessing and going without hearing, they start distrusting. They get turned off to God because you've told them God said it and it was presumption. And now they're confused and they don't want anything of it. They're tired of the difficulties. And I'm not trying to make people feel bad because we've all missed it. I'm saying we can't just keep repeating what we've done wrong. Let's back up and do it right. Every single one of us can do it right. Every single one of us can do it right. And quit repeating a bad habit and calling God's involvement in on that. Hear, hear. Hear. Some think that taking time is wasting time. Taking time to hear. They think it's wasting time. It's safety. It's safety. Now, when God says something to you and you know it's God prompt obedience. But when it is a bigger decision that involves more than you, it involves maybe a congregation or your family or a traveling ministry or partnership, it has a ripple effect. It's your safety. There's wisdom in waiting to make certain. Make certain and God will not rebuke you for going at a safe pace. Amen. When God is leading me to do something, I have something in my heart. I haven't heard words necessarily. I just have a sense of something. I wait on that. I wait. I don't just jump on it the first time. I sense that because sometimes I sense it because he's wanting me to ask him so he can reveal more about what I'm sensing. So in the in taking time, more will be shown. I mean, for example, when we started the miracle Crusades, I just had a sense of that needed to happen. And I sat on that for months. Not in disobedience and not in slowness, but in honor for what this is bringing in. There's a Lot of expense with this. There's the partners giving with this. There's the staff time. There's a lot connected to it. And I don't flippantly just jump into something and call it skill. The skill is in the waiting. When it's something like this. Now, if it's just you. If it's just you, then God will expect prompt obedience. But when it's a big picture, you might want to take a different approach. Why? Because you're reverent about what all is impacted by that this. And accuracy matters to you. Accuracy matters. When God is leading me to do something, I sense that I will hold that up. Just. I'm not talking about hours of prayer. I'll just hold it up. I'll keep an ear turned toward God about that. I'm not mindless about it. I'm mindful of it. And so I'll just. Father, this is in my heart. And I just keep lifting that up. And I keep lifting that up over time. And every time I lift it up, if it's God, it seems better. Better. It seems to be more and more right. The more I lift it up, if it's not God, it gets further and further away from rightness. It doesn't feel that rightness anymore. You can't learn that. You can't have that leading of rightness. Every time you think about it, if you're going fast, right, you have to have time to play that, hold that up and let that sense of his will grow. It matters. It matters. Why? Because time's too short to miss and have to go back and clean up and have to try to recover some things. Amen. So the more you consider something that God's dealing with you about, if it's God, it seems more and more right. And I'm talking about not considering it just mentally in here, you're considering it, but even so, it will seem right in your thought life. But I'm talking about here. It's from. Because people can mentally put their affections on something and they think and they'll call it right. But some of these leadings are recognized over time. So you better give it the time to have it recognized. Being adamant is not faith. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard, oh, no, this is what. This is it. This is. And I go, oh, that's not God. You want to know why they are so adamant? They're trying to convince themselves because it's going against their spirit. And so they're having to really be Adamant to override what their spirit is trying to check them on. If you've got to be overly vocal to convince others it's not faith, because that's not confession. See, that's not confession. Well, praise the Lord. A little quieter than here, than last night. To move ahead without having God's mind. The only thing you're left with is your mind. And that's. That's to have the disadvantage that when the only thing you've got going with you on this journey is your mind, you're at the disadvantage if you don't have what God said on it. What you heard God say, who is that? Is that. But I didn't know if I was talking to Siri. You know, how. Siri, how many times have you said something to somebody and Siri answers you? It's like.
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We have to. We have to make sure that we are not leaving God's mind back here and our mind moving forward. It's scary to think that all we. But without hearing all you have is you. All you have is you. David whipped Goliath on that principle alone. He said, you are an uncircumcised Philistine. You're big, but you're standing out here alone. You got no God backing you up. You got no covenant backing you up. I might be little, but. But I'm not out here alone. I've got God of my covenant backing me up. See? And he won based on that. When we hear we're not facing any opposition alone, we're facing that opposition with what God said. And we tell that opposition what God said. It won't do you any good to know what God says and not tell the opposition what God says. You have to take opposition what God said to you. There have been so many times especially, and I refer back to the projects after Ed went home because it was daily. It was a concentrated year of hearing from God and seeing that play out. And it was a very spectacular year in that city. So forgive me. That's why I keep going back to that. Because it was prominent. It's very prominent. The hearing was so prominent. And I can't tell you the number of times I would have a sense in my heart I knew what to do. I heard it clear in here. I didn't just hear words. It was a knowing. It was the spirit that bears witness. And that's enough to move on. Amen. And so I would make a decision, make steps in line with what God was directing me to do regarding a business decision. And the devil would bombard my mind, say, that's not going to work. Right. You're going to put yourself in all kinds of trouble. And I'd say, God said, God said. God said. God said. God said, what am I doing? I'm taking opposition. What God said, if you don't hear first, you can't answer that way. That's right, that's right. That's right. You've got to hear first. Amen. Faith comes by hearing. Faith to do. Faith to do comes from hearing what he said to do. I and even that which belongs to us in our redemption package, healing, prosperity, wisdom, revelation, all these things that belong to us in our redemption package. I don't just randomly grab a verse. If I'm faced with something physical, I don't just randomly grab a verse. I want to hear what the Spirit, what verse the Spirit gives me. Because there's life in that one. When he breathes on it, it's spendable. When it's just your mind grabbing it, it's not spendable the same way. And then you just feel like you're just, you're stuck and you're spinning that wheel but going nowhere. So I'm talking about, even if I'm just believing the money comes, I always look here, what's the Spirit directing me to say on this? Even though I know prosperity scriptures, I don't want to mentally randomly grab one. I want to hear. And the hearing doesn't mean take this verse in Isaiah. No, I'm not talking the spirit of God bearing witness with you. That's what I'm talking about. Amen. Praise the Lord. Dad Hagin was slow to make decisions. Not because he was slow, but because he was skillful. I am slow in making decisions and I'm doing it. And I'm talking. I'm not talking about obeying God. I'm talking about decisions that involve more than me. When it involves more than you, you just can't be flippant about it. You're mindful somebody else is affected by this. And I'm not going to carelessly just move ahead by faith because until you heard, you got no faith to move ahead. I'm a faith person. You got no faith to move ahead on that situation until you've heard Amen. For example, when God started opening doors for different television networks that I don't have it in my heart to shop it, I had a precious minister ask me. He said, who on staff, do you have a staff member that shops this stuff for you? I go, I don't Know what you mean. And he said, well, because sometimes they. They'll assign a staff because God's told them, go on TV and they'll shop their best options. I said, no, I just let God bring it. I'm not saying it's wrong to shop it because God might have said. He might say to somebody, get on. God said, what was it like in the 70s or 80s, Brother Copeland? Get on 500 radio stations. He intended them to shop it. But for me, the way God's led, see, I can't take how God led somebody else and adopt that. How God's telling me they just come. And just because they come, I don't assume God sent it. I've had people offer me free airtime. And I don't just accept it because it's free, because you don't know what that connects you to. Because free time to the wrong connection is not free. That's gonna hurt and take you off course at some point by being wrongly connected to something that was free. And I don't just take something because it's offered. I hear, I hear. Am I perfect at it? No. But I guarantee you, what if I take more time? I'm far closer to perfect than missing it. Amen. One. One person that I prize reading after is George Mueller. Because of what he built. He would have, he said, I would sense God is dealing with me about starting an orphanage. And then he built multiple buildings. If you've seen his compounds, you know, of multiple buildings, pictures of it. And he didn't assume that just because he already had one orphanage building, that it was a no brainer to just do a second one. If you ever treat something like a no brainer, you're the one with a no brainer. Very good, very good. Because when, when we decide we can dismiss him by saying this is a no brainer, it's scary to get that pattern. And he said he would take that before the Lord. And he said, I would wait on it for weeks, months sometimes, until I had it clear in my spirit. Praise God. And that was. That's the example that people have to have, because you don't arrive at fulfillment of the plan of God without skill. And it's the skill of hearing. Amen. Psalm 127. Turn with me. Psalm 127, Verse 1. Dad Hagin had this as his keynote scripture for his ministry. We have the same one for our ministry. Psalm 127, verse 1. Except the Lord build. Except the Lord build. Except the Lord build. Except the Lord build the house. They labor in vain that build it. If he's not building it. Vain labor is all that's left to build it. And I don't want anything he didn't build because it won't be a blessing. Then. I want to. Just let me read this out of Ephesians, chapter 1 23, this amplified classic translation. The last phrase. Him who makes everything complete and who fills everything everywhere with himself. Now listen to that. Him who makes everything complete and who fills everything everywhere with himself. What's that mean? He'll build it and then he'll fill it with himself. Pastors, let God build your church and he'll fill it with himself. But if you built it, you're not sure it's going to be filled with something natural. A traveling ministry, Let God build it. A business. Let God build it. What's that mean? Hear what he says. Hear what he says and build it according to what he says to do. Now turn with me, if you would, to Proverbs, chapter 19. Proverbs, chapter 19. Listen. In the last days. Accuracy. Accuracy has always meant much. But even in the last days, it will really compound the outcome of things. Proverbs, chapter 19, verse 2. King James Translation also, that the soul should be without knowledge. It is not good. And he that hasteth with his feet sinneth. The living Bible. Just listen to how the living Bible reads. It is dangerous and sinful to rush into the unknown. You say, well, faith is moving into the unknown. No, when you have faith, you've heard something. It's not unknown. It's not unknown because you heard what God said. And what God said gives you your directive of moving forward. Verse 3, the Living Bible. Proverbs 19:3. This is the living Bible. A man may ruin his chances by his own foolishness and then blame it on the Lord. Proverbs 19:2. The Amplified Classic. Desire without knowledge is not good. And to be over hasty is to sin and miss the mark. What's he saying? To go too fast becomes a sin. In some situations. It's not skill to go too fast. People think. Boy, proficient at this. Here it says it's a sin to go too fast. It's not just inconvenient to go too fast, it's a sin. Why? Because it's expensive to miss God. It's expensive. Amen. Speedy decisions. Speedy decision making is not something to be prized. Hearing is what's to be prized. I don't mind. I don't. Stand back. You know, some people don't like decision making. That's not ever frightened Me, you know, I don't have a problem making decisions. But even more so when you hear there's no risk. There's no risk. The risk is in making a decision when you haven't heard. Now, if decisions and moves are made without clarity of what God says, you have no defense against opposition. That's going to show up because you don't have an answer, why am I doing this? Because God said. But if you don't know what God said, when the devil opposes you have, you might come up with an answer. But it doesn't work the same. When God told. When God delivered the Hebrews out of Egypt. I have a land. I've given you. I've given you this. A land flows with milk and honey. All they had to do was just keep walking and saying that. Keep walking and saying what God said. But they wouldn't say what God said. So they never arrived. And the only two that arrived, the next generation, arrived because of one thing. They kept saying what God said. But what if you don't know what God's saying? If you didn't hear, how do you arrive? How do you arrive? What he says is the arrival to things. Now, I don't want to. If I could say this, take the wind out of people by saying this, because we can all look back and say, oh, I can look back on my life and I can see steps I made, directions I took, and I didn't hear. I thought I was doing really good.
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God is able to help us out of the wrong place if we'll recognize we got there because we didn't hear. Instead of keep trying to make it work, just keep trying to make it work and then calling it faith. If you didn't hear, you don't have any grounds for faith. The grounds for faith is hearing Smith Wigglesworth tells about the time somebody was selling a home. And Smith Wigglesworth said it looked to him like a great move. And he says, I'll buy it. Back then your word was your bond. So if you said it verbally, you were bound. Yes, you were. And he went to God about it. And God said, I never told you that. And now he's bound. He's got to pay the money at a certain date. And he didn't have the money. And he didn't have the word. He had the word. He didn't. He wasn't even supposed to buy it. Right, right, right, right, right. And he says, I went to family members, I went to friends, I asked everybody for the money. And it all was, no, they didn't have it. And he said, I went to God and I said, God, I need you to help me out of this. And he said, okay, here's what to do. Now, if you don't realize that you got there because you didn't hear, you have to acknowledge I got here because I didn't hear. And it's more important now, the way to get out of this is hearing. The way to get out of where you shouldn't be is hearing. And he is so good to you and to me. He will always give us something to hear to get us out. But if you don't recognize it was lack of hearing, because, see, if you don't recognize that, you won't listen, to hear, to get out, God will allow you to do what you planned to show you it doesn't work. He'll allow you to start a church. He'll allow you to start a ministry. He'll allow you to start a business. If he didn't say it, he'll allow you to do it to show you it doesn't work without hearing. And I don't want to learn that way. And we've all probably learned a little bit that way to a measure. And if he said it, it would have worked if you'd have hold to what he said. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Even in believing for miracles, for people, loved ones, people that ask you to minister to them, believe with them. Don't just set your faith with them without hearing something. I'm thinking of someone that I know really well, and they contacted me and they had very serious situation life, a death sentence over their head physically. And they were young. And I see I got to have something when I agree. I got to have a hook. I got to be able to hook onto something.
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So I went to pray and I'm praying for them. I'm calling them out before God and God and I hear this. He calls their name and he says, set your house in order. That's all I can believe for. That's all I can believe for. I can't believe for healing. When I didn't hear. When I heard set your house in order. But you know what I did do? I said, now, God, I hear what you said. I believe what you said. I believe it. I'm not arguing with you. But that was said to. That was said to Hezekiah and he didn't set his house in order out here. He said, his house in order in here. He said, this house in order. And he turned toward the wall. Before the prophet even got off the grounds, the word of the Lord said, I'm going to add 15 years, go back and tell him. Yes, yes. And I said, so I'm going to ask you, when you say set your and called their name, set your house in order, could this house still be set in order? Yes. But I knew they weren't recognizing that this needed to be in order. And there was no hook. I couldn't hook on. I couldn't hook on. What's that mean? I don't just randomly start throwing what I call faith at something. Because you can't throw faith when you haven't heard. And you will injure your faith walk. You'll get disillusioned. Well, I thought, you know, the word's not working. No, you have to hear. Faith comes by hearing. You can't confess without hearing something. I mean, effectively confess. And people start losing confidence in their faith walk, in their faith life when they just randomly grab verses and start throwing. And then nothing happens and they go, they lose confidence. And that is so injuring to your walk with God. Here, here. I wanted to agree with that person and say, come on, I'll stand with you. But I could not offer them that till I heard something and I went to God. What do you say about this? Da, da, da. Called their name, set your house in order, and they went home to be with the Lord. But see, it didn't injure my faith because I already heard. And I can't force God to say what I want to hear. And if you think you're going to take your prayer life and force God to say what you want to hear, you will move out of the perfect will of God. You'll move into the permission will of God because he'll permit you to do anything you want. It is quieter in here tonight. It is quieter. Hallelujah. Proverbs 19, verse 21, the Amplified Classic Translation Proverbs 19:21Amplified Classic Translation Many plans are in a man's mind, but it is the Lord's purpose for him that will stand. What's that mean? The many plans won't stand, but God's purpose has the stuff to stand. But the mind, the planning. A man's mind doesn't have the stuff to stand because it's void of what God says. Amen. So, pastors, just get with God and hear what he has for your church and don't run around trying to copycat and trying to hear it from out here, because you won't have faith for anything. You Hear a man say about the steps of success he took. You won't have any faith for that. You have to hear from God. Faith comes from hearing what God says, not from hearing what a successful minister said. You have to hear from God. You have to hear from God. Don't bypass that hearing, Matthew. Then we'll close with this. Matthew 13, verse 10. Matthew 13:10. I just want you to see the reward of waiting to hear. Waiting long enough to hear. Because it removes all the struggle when you have God's words to spend. Matthew 13:10. This is the King James. And the disciples came and said to Jesus, why speakest thou unto them in parables? And he answered and said unto them, because it's given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. But to them it is not given. For whosoever hath to to him shall be given. And from him shall be taken away even. And whosoever hath not from him shall be taken away even that he hath. What's he talking about? Who has what? Who has ears to hear? When you have ears to hear, you'll receive more. When you don't have ears to hear, even what you have will be taken from you. Verse 13. Therefore speak I to them in parables. Because they, seeing, see not, and hearing, they hear not. I don't want to be the congregation member that's sitting and hearing and hear, and hear not. Hearing the preacher, hearing the pastor, hearing the sermon, and hear not. They were hearing Jesus, but Jesus said, they're hearing me, but they hear not. Their spiritual aptitude, so to speak. They're not taking it in. Isn't that something? To hear Jesus and still don't hear it. He said so. Hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecies Esaias, which saith, by hearing, ye shall hear, and shall not understand. And seeing, ye shall see and shall not perceive. Why is that? Verse 15 tells us why. For this people's heart is waxed gross and their ears are dull of hearing. And their eyes, look at this, they have closed. Our hearing is up to us, not up to God. It's up to us. It's up to us. It's up to us. If we grow dull of hearing, how do we move ahead? How do we have faith? We have to stay so sensitive, so tender. Keep your heart tender. Tender, tender. If you miss it, well, we've all missed it. But acknowledge, go to God and say, I missed it. Why? Because now you've fought, you have held dullness off of you and it's dangerous to be dull. It's dangerous to be dull. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Well, stand with me to your feet. Father, we thank you tonight. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you. I'm so grateful that we get to hear these things. Probably about, I don't know, a week or so ago, God said, this is what I want you to minister on. He's prescribed it for us that we can. We can follow him into fixing anything. And then now we can move ahead in skill. When we understand this. I prize hearing. Hearing, hearing. Father, we thank you. Tonight we glorify you. We magnify you. I magnify. Magnify you. Magnify you, Father. Thank you, Father. Thank you, Father. Worship you, Jesus. Worship you, Jesus. Just lift up your hands and lift up your voice to him. We worship you, Father. We worship you, Father. We worship you. We worship you. What do you want to do?
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Yeah, I. This is a known song, but I'm going to change one line. We usually don't sing this unless it's an altar call, but it all to Jesus I surrender all to him I freely give this is the part I want to change. I will listen I will follow in his presence daily. I surrender all I surrender all. To be my blessed Savior I surrender do that verse one more time. Home to Jesus I surrender all to my free I will this I will follow in his presence daily I surrender all. To be my blessing I surrender Just one more time.
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I surrender.
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You sing it out. I serve I. Will listen I will follow I will listen I will follow I surrender.
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I will listen.
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I will listen I will follow.
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If you're in a direction that it just seems hard, no matter what you do, it just. It's a struggle. It's a struggle. That's an invitation to hear. It's an invitation to hear. Hearing removes the struggle when you walk in line with what you hear. And don't just keep forging ahead and just. I'm just. I'm just going to keep going. Why keep going without knowing? Why keep going without knowing what he said to you, you know, Abraham. It talks about Abraham in Hebrews and the amplified classic translation said he went although he didn't know where he was to go. He didn't trouble his mind about it. Why? Because he already had what God said to him. He didn't know every. Every day in advance, but he had the word. I've given you a land, Abraham. Leave your family. And so he was following that. So even though he didn't know the details of it ahead. He still had that word that gave him the faith to just keep moving undisturbed. So if you're disturbed, go back and get the words you need to hear. So you can go undisturbed, not keep doing what you're doing, but willing to hear if you need to change course, change direction. Well, I don't back up. Faith never backs up. If you didn't hear, you're not in faith. Because faith comes by hearing. And it's always right to back up, to get in step with what God said. Jesus told dad Hagin on one occasion. He said, I would rather you move too slow than too fast. He said, because if you get out ahead of me, you can no longer see me leading. But if you fall behind, at least you can still see where I'm leading. It's like if you took your kid, a small child, to Disneyland and they get excited about everything they see, they want it all now, and they just take off running a direction. If they get out in front of you, they have no idea if you make a turn, but any. If they get behind you and they're lagging behind, they can still, oh, dad went this direction. Mom went this direction. Too slow is better than too fast. Too slow is better than too fast. But as we learn, we can just keep pace and just keep at exact pace. But while you're learning, while you're learning, don't look. Learn in the fast direction, learn in the slow direction. Does that make sense? Learn on being slow, don't learn on being too fast. And then as you become more skillful, you just keep pace. Just keep pace. And we're all learning. I said we're all learning. And don't let the devil. Don't let the accuser or the brethren accuse you, because he's always acting by not hearing. Don't take counsel from him about how you failed, because no one's failed like he's failed. No one, no being in creation has ever failed like he's failed. So the key, though, is not to just keep. Just going. To keep pressing through. If you have words, keep pressing through. If you. If you don't have words, you're going to have to get words. Amen. Hallelujah. Father, we thank you. We thank you. We thank you. We praise you. Father, we praise you. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you. Hallelujah. Pastor Debbie was. Would you hand me that mic right there, please? Pastor Noel, do you have something? You got anything? Come on up. Come up here so they can see you if you would.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I will say it. Lord, they that wait. They that wait, not in a hurry, wait. They that wait upon the Lord, they that wait upon what he will say. Hey. You will run and not be weary.
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Yeah.
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You will walk and not faint. You will always have joy. You will always have peace. And your steps will always be right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, glory. Yeah. Yeah. His wisdom will be poured out.
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Yeah.
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His wisdom will be poured out to those that wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You will not walk in darkness. Yeah. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God. Yeah. The Holy Ghost is the voice behind that hearing. Yeah. Wait for him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because. Because what you hear, what you hear from him is life. What you hear from him is light. Yeah. What you hear from. From the Holy Ghost, it brings life to you. It brings light to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. In ministry, in finances, in your body, in every area of your life, in your family day. That way. Yes. Yes. Life. Life. The life of God. The life of God will flow in every area of your life. Yeah. When what you hear, what you hear, what you hear, what you hear from God is life. It's life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not just natural life. It's eternal life. It's eternal life. It's eternal life. Knowing the Father, knowing the Word, knowing the Lord Jesus Christ is eternal life. Oh, yes. Yes. You will walk and enjoy your life. You will walk and enjoy the life that God already have prepared for you. You before the world was. Yeah. It's already been prepared. It's prepared by God. It's prepared by the Father to those that love him. Now, here, here, here, here, here, here. Because he's speaking the Word to us. This is time. This is time. This is the very hour. This is the very moment. Oh. Oh, yeah. Because of the finish. Because of the finish of the time.
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Ah.
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Quote unquote. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. It's not too late. It's not too late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Forget the past. Oh, forget the past mistake. Forget the wrong decisions. But it's still time. There's still time. All you need is to hear. All you need is to hear. All you need is wait on the Holy Ghost. Yeah. Yeah. Because he knows the mind of the Father and he will reveal them unto you.
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Can I tell you, this hearing unravels complicated situations. When you. You think it's so involved. There's so many layers and so many problems. One hearing, one thing unravels everything. Yeah, right. Father, we thank you. We thank you. Let's just lift up. Let's just lift up the things of our life that we say. I may need to look at that. Father, we lift up your plan. Your plan. That we know. Your plan, your plan. Your plan. On the bus. Great strides ahead. Great strides ahead. Now, let. Let me say this to you. Waiting on the Lord involves several things. Number one, worship. Number two is word. Number three, praying. And I mean primarily in the spirit. Don't spend all your time praying in the spirit. Leave out the word. You'll get off. And what you hear won't be God always, because you can get out beyond your ability, beyond your knowledge of the word and get duped. And some have done that. They've prayed so much in tongues and they've left out the word and they get duped and they become unsound and they start hearing things and calling it God, and it confuses them because what they're calling God is troubling their life. Amen. When waiting on the Lord involves spending time worshiping in the word, praying in other tongues, I don't want to assume that we're all in here. Are you in here tonight you're born again, but you're not filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. You need the divine help of God.
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Talk.
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Divine utterance, cooperating. Is anybody in here? Raise your hand real high. If you say, I'm born again, but I am not filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I don't know that there's anybody here, but I want. I don't want to assume or presume because you need this divine help. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, good. Employ it. Employ it. Amen. Father. We thank you. We thank you. You say, Pastor Nancy, how long do I have to wait? It depends on how loud your life is. It may take some real time for some people's mind to calm down, quiet down, so that they can hear and get their bodies out of that flow of just push, push, push, push, push, push. And calling that faith, it may take. It's going to be different for everybody based on their ability to shut down what's loud so that they can hear. Amen. And there's a skill involved in that. We praise you, Father. Cindy. Ms. Cindy, you got something? Well, I don't know. It might be something to say, not necessarily something to sing, just whatever.
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Thank you, Jesus.
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Let's just lift up our hands, Father.
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We see.
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And out of your inner being will flow rivers of living water. Rivers, rivers.
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And there'll be a divine supernatural flow of the Holy Ghost that will lead.
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And guide you into all truth.
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Some things that you know and some things you don't know but the spirit there will be a flow so step into that flow and step into the guide and step in and follow Imbre.
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Beh.
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Because the flow is so divine Divine Irabasca divine impreveso sida divine impregisto sara and so anonymous. Out of your inner being.
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And there'll be a flow Hallelujah.
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Oh, thank you, Lord.
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Thank you, Lord.
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There is a flow of the mighty Holy Ghost There is a prayer that we lift unto the Lord A prayer of faith A prayer, a divine flow oh, the flow of the mighty Holy Ghost. There is time to stand in his precious presence that flow divine flows O in him we reverence so we lift our hearts we yield our lives unto the Lord A divine flow of the presence of the Lord the prayer presence of the Lord so we worship so we listen so we meditate his word so we worship and we listen and we do the things we've heard so we enter in tonight oh, not just stand and say well, that is very nice but we begin to worship begin to magnify magnify Begin to worship the Lord oh, we begin to worship begin to magnify begin to lift up and praise the Lord yes, we do. We worship oh, we worship oh, we worship. And then we flow with the mighty Holy Ghost and then we sing praises to our king and then we're led by his spirit we are led Divine flow of the mighty Holy Ghost oh, thank you, Jesus.
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Come on. A divine flow.
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Oh, Lord, we worship, we worship, we worship Come on. We lift our voice we worship Praise God. We worship, we worship we worship we worship, we worship, we worship oh, I.
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Just heard the Holy Ghost say so.
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Sweet, you don't have to worry that you're gonna miss me when you begin to speak when you set your eyes on me when you begin to worship and begin to get in my presence and in my presence there's a divine flow in my presence you will know in my presence you'll step in and see and in my presence as you seek me, you will. Ah ha ha ha ha. I see, I see, I see. This isn't difficult for me. I just step in and see. Oh, hallelujah to my king. Hallelujah to the one who knows everything. Hallelujah for the divine flow. Hallelujah. Oh, we lift our voice we lift our voice we lift our voice we lift our voice we lift our voice oh, we lift our voice to you, oh, Lord Hallelujah. In your presence I know. Oh, let's lift our hands and just thank him.
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Hallelujah. When your heart heart is so sincere and hungry to please God, if you're not careful, the enemy would like to take that and make you fearful of missing him. He'll play on your sincerity and use it against you in the sense of people become afraid of missing him. Don't worry. You don't worry your way into the plan. You hear your way. You just hear your way. So that's one of the things that you may have to recognize is the fear of missing God, the fear of doing it wrong. And you have to have the skill to recognize that's not going to push me, not going to drive me and color it to where now there's a sense of dread over my life. Amen. Father, we thank you, we thank you, we thank you. Praise the Lord. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, become a partner, or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries.