Podcast Summary: "In The Spirit, Part 2 | Joel Siegel | Georgetown, TX | Thursday AM | Miracle Crusade 2021"

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Speaker: Joel Siegel
Date: December 5, 2021
Event: Miracle Crusade 2021
Host: Dufresne Ministries

Overview

This episode, delivered by Joel Siegel at the Miracle Crusade 2021, focuses on living and ministering "in the Spirit" — cultivating reverence and honor for the move of the Holy Spirit, learning to flow corporately in the miraculous, and the practicalities of entering and living in the spiritual realm as individuals and as a church. Joel draws on personal experiences, biblical narratives, and ministry history (notably the legacy and teachings of Brother Kenneth E. Hagin) to illustrate how the Church can progress further in God's plan by deepening its hunger and participation in supernatural flows.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Principle of Spiritual Progression:

• Main Idea: "As far as you'll go is as far as you'll go" – our progress in God’s plan and the miraculous is not determined by God's willingness but by our own hunger and participation.
  • "There are places to go in the things of God. There's progression in the plan of God. And so much of it is not up to the Lord… it's up to his church." (00:08)
• Spiritual stagnation occurs when the church limits God, much like Israel did (Psalm 78).

2. Legacy of the Move of the Spirit:

• Brother Hagin’s Mandate: After decades of teaching faith, Brother Hagin was led to focus on the move and flow of the Holy Spirit, warning that if this was not preserved and taught by example, it would be lost to future generations.
  • "There’s a move of the Spirit that will be lost to this generation… unless you teach them… by precept… but also by example." (00:38)
• Congregational Flow: Progress in the miraculous requires corporate unity in flowing together with God — individual desires for more are insufficient without collective honor and hunger.

3. Honor and Reverence: The Keys to More

• The miraculous is tied to honor and reverence for God (and others, including spouses).
  • "Assigning the proper value or weight to a person or a thing... If you ever get to where they lose value… you'll stop receiving from each other." (31:17)
• Loss of reverence and honor leads to familiarity, stalling spiritual progress.
• The restoration of honor is prophesied to multiply the miraculous.

4. Corporate Participation and Yielding:

• Yielding to God's flow involves not simply spectating but participating. Miracles are not separate acts of God but require human cooperation.
  • "We don't come to these meetings to see a miracle. We come… to be a miracle, to learn to cooperate with his power." (15:27)
• Entertaining or funny services are still sacred if the Holy Spirit is moving; irreverence comes from disengagement, not laughter or joy.
  • "It's okay that it's funny, but that doesn't mean it's light. If it's God, it's worthy of honor." (24:00)

5. Journeying Deeper In the Spirit:

• Joel recounts tangible experiences of the anointing, including being "stuck" in a chair post-service, likening it to entering a place "in the Spirit" where physical senses are suspended.
  • "I was stuck in my chair… because when I stopped ministering, the power stopped flowing through me and just started to settle in me… I was embalmed with the anointing." (24:00)
• Encourages the congregation to move past personal embarrassment and self-consciousness to freely participate in the Spirit.
  • "If you're concerned about what people are thinking, you're not concerned about what God's doing." (36:00)

6. "In the Spirit" Biblically and Practically:

• Biblical Reference: Revelation 1:10; 4:1 — John "in the Spirit" hears and sees things outside the natural realm.
  • "How essential for our day and for the plan of God is this place called 'in the Spirit.'" (46:00)
• There is a spiritual realm (limitless, without impossibility), and being born again connects us to it.
  • "If you're born again, you've been connected to the Spirit realm… You are a spiritual man. You are a God man." (49:20)
• Entering "in the Spirit" comes by engaging in spiritual activities: worship, prayer, meditating on the Word, and especially cooperating with God's flow.

7. True Spirituality vs. Carnality:

• Differentiates between natural, carnal, and spiritual Christians.
  • "A natural man… is not born again... The carnal man is no different than the natural man except they're born again, but living like the natural man." (51:00)
• Developing spiritual sensitivity requires regular exposure to the spirit-filled environment and engaging in spiritual exercises.

8. The Role of Prayer: "Praying in/by the Spirit"

• Explains Ephesians 6:18 — “praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit”—as relying on, being prompted, led, and directed by the Holy Spirit in all prayer, not merely praying in tongues.
  • "It means by means of the Spirit, with reliance on the Spirit, within the boundaries of the Spirit… That's what makes prayer effective… following the Spirit." (58:00)
• True Spirit-led prayer is about real-time cooperation, not rigid formulas or “babbling”— "Put it in gear."

9. Practical Application:

• Spiritual growth is a process: development in flowing with the Spirit happens over time by participating in services, sensing, and eventually flowing ahead by discernment.
  • "The more I participated… after about three or four years, I'm beginning to sense it when it happens… another year… I'm sensing it before it happens… knowing what [the minister] was going to do before he does it." (64:00)
• All believers are called deeper, beyond being "Goldilocks Christians" (picking and choosing what they like of God's flow) or "cafeteria Christians."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Limiting God:
  "So much of whether his plan is accomplished or not is not up to him. It's up to his church… [they] limited, limited, limited the Holy One of Israel." (00:16)

• On Honoring the Move of God:
  "If it's God, it's heavy. If it's God, it's worthy of honor… it's worthy of our participation."
  (18:00)

• On Personal Embarrassment:
  "If you're concerned about what people are thinking, you're not concerned about what God's doing… The greatest revelation any Christian can get is that nobody's paying attention to you."
  (36:00)

• On Corporate Flow:
  "When an entire congregation will yield as one, God's power can flow in measures so strong that we hadn't even been there yet and haven't even seen it yet."
  (27:50)

• On Authentic Spiritual Experience:
  "We don't make things happen. We don't force things to happen. We flow with God."
  (42:00)

• On the “Cafeteria Christian” Mentality:
  "We don't need Goldilocks Christians… Well, I don't like it like that. Yes, we want revival… Not that way, not that way… If it's God… I've decided ahead of time that I like it."
  (44:40)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:08 – Theme: "As far as you'll go is as far as you'll go."
• 02:00 – Brother Hagin’s legacy & need for Spirit meetings
• 15:27 – Participating in the move of God; describing Acts 2-5 miraculous flow
• 24:00 – Honoring the “funny” or “entertaining” moves of the Spirit
• 31:17 – Illustrating “honor” with personal relationships
• 36:00 – Overcoming self-consciousness in worship
• 46:00 – Exploring “in the Spirit” from Revelation; spiritual and natural realms
• 51:00 – Natural, carnal, and spiritual Christians
• 58:00 – Ephesians 6:18: Praying "by the Spirit," practical meaning and application
• 64:00 – Spiritual growth through participation, discernment development
• 66:00–74:00 – Corporate Spirit-led prayer: declarations for provision, expansion, and the miraculous
• 79:55 – "Prayer that will birth the plan"—prophecy and declarations over Miracle Crusade
• 81:56–85:33 – Closing worship and thanks

Corporate Prayer & Prophetic Flow Highlights

• (66:00–76:00): Extended Spirit-led prayers for land, property, expansion, angelic activity, supernatural provision, miraculous healings, the enlargement of voices, and fulfillment of God's plan.
• (76:10–80:00): Specific prophetic declarations for the miraculous, financial provision, and the utterance required for leaders and ministers.
• (81:09–81:56): Prayer for the outpouring of God’s rain (revival) over the city, tying the move to the imminent return of Jesus.

Conclusion

Joel Siegel passionately urges the body of Christ to abandon passivity, self-consciousness, and selective engagement with the things of God. Instead, he calls for restored honor and full, joyful participation in every flow the Spirit brings — whether miraculous, profound, or simply joyful and “funny.” Spiritual breakthroughs, effective prayer, and revival hinge on learning to follow, not just observe, the leading and outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

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