Podcast Summary: "In The Spirit, Part 2 | Joel Siegel | Miracle Crusade 2023, Paducah, KY"

Date: May 30, 2023
Host: Dufresne Ministries
Speaker: Joel Siegel (with contributions from Nancy Dufresne)
Event: Morning service, Miracle Crusade 2023, Paducah, KY

Overview

This episode continues the teaching on the theme "In The Spirit," exploring what it means to function and live from the spiritual realm as opposed to being limited by the natural realm. Joel Siegel teaches on accessing spiritual realities, living in continual communion with God, the process and place of being "in the Spirit," and the practicalities of participating in the flow of God's power—individually and corporately—for miracles and Christian effectiveness. The episode also highlights the importance of every believer learning to live, pray, and minister by the Spirit, especially in this era of the Church.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. God's Goodness and Expectation of Miracles

• Joel Siegel opens by emphasizing the importance of fully believing and declaring God's total goodness, counteracting the world’s skepticism (00:08-03:10).

  • “He is good enough to take care of both legs, both arms, both your eyes, your ears, all of it.” (02:40, B)

• Miracles are simply the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural.

  • “All a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm.” (05:26, B)

2. Nature and Access Points to the Spiritual Realm

• The spiritual realm is wholeness—no sickness, lack, or deformity (04:45-05:12).

• The Word and spiritual activity (prayer, worship, meditation) are “portals” to that realm (06:49-08:20).

  • Jesus’ words “They are Spirit, they are life” (John 6:63) are referenced (07:30).

• Renewing the mind through the Word realigns the believer to spiritual reality, not just the natural (08:40-09:20).

3. Spiritual Skillfulness vs. Natural Skillfulness

• Practical example with finances:

  • People in the natural can learn laws (like compound interest) and develop skill, but “God’s given you something that doesn’t fail—the laws of the Kingdom" (11:45-13:45).

• Most Christians don’t know or access the higher laws of God’s Kingdom, missing out on healing, prosperity, divine leading (14:28).

4. Being 'In The Spirit': The Place and The Process

• Biblical example: John on Patmos ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day" – Revelation 1:10-12)

  • It’s possible to become more conscious of the spiritual (God) realm than the natural, by degrees (16:40-18:00).

• This isn’t about seeking spectacular experiences, but about yielding to the Spirit so that spiritual truths become reality (19:00-20:17).

• Living in this state means ongoing communion with God, praise, meditation, prayer, tongues—keeping the “tank full” (21:10-25:10).

  • “It’s easier to stay there than to have to get there from zero again.” (23:22, B)

5. Process (Pathway) to ‘In The Spirit’

• Ephesians 6:18: “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit” (30:20)

  • The phrase “in the Spirit” includes not just being in the state, but being led by, relying on, depending on, and prompted by the Spirit (“by the Spirit”) (31:48-34:55).

• Practical illustration: Not every time of prayer leads to tongues—sometimes it’s thanksgiving, sometimes prophecy. The key is following the Spirit’s promptings in each moment (39:16-42:05).

• “You’re following the Spirit in prayer... and anything you do by the Spirit will get you in the Spirit.” (38:30, B)

6. Participation and Corporate Flow

• Everyone must participate in the activity prompted by the Spirit, not just their personal preferences (48:47-51:43).

  • “You don’t get to choose. ...You don’t get to be a ‘cafeteria Christian’.” (49:38, B)
  • Spiritual activities (lifting hands, corporate prayer, tongues, rejoicing) help move from the natural to the spiritual.

• Corporate prayer and expression create a stronger flow; when everyone enters in, “prizes” (breakthroughs, miracles) are distributed to all (53:36-54:48).

• “If you don’t get into it, you won’t get into it.” (52:06, B)

7. Application: This Era Requires Everyone’s Participation

• The present era of the Church requires the body—not just ministers—to participate in the flow of the Spirit for the fullness of God’s power (71:07-72:37).
  • “This era requires the whole body participating. All of us that know need to flow… It’s vital that we learn to live full and flow together.” (71:58, A)
  • “The degree of power required to wrap up this revival… needs to be conducted through the body.” (72:37, B)

8. Personal Story – From Concept to Reality

• Nancy Dufresne shares: As a child in cold Buffalo, the idea of a warm Christmas was conceptual until she experienced it herself—so too must spiritual truths become “real” through experience (45:32-48:12).
  • “What we read in the Word... the Spirit will bring us to a place where these concepts we've heard become real. …I can be led, I can see things by the Spirit.” (47:24-48:10, A)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You might think... we caught up on this, but we’ll just deal with that other debt. He’s good enough. He could take care of things in one day. He's that good.” (02:35-03:05, B)
• “All a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm.” (05:26, B)
• “The words I speak to you, they are spirit, they are life.” (07:34, quoting John 6:63, B)
• “Most Christians... probably better than 95%... do not know they can live a completely different life [by the Spirit].” (14:28, B)
• “It’s easier to stay there than to have to get there from zero again.” (23:22, B)
• “If you don’t get into it, you won’t get into it.” (52:06, B)
• “This era requires our—the whole body—participation. ...It’s vital that we learn to live full and flow together.” (71:28, A)
• “The degree of power…needs to be conducted through the body. That means God needs you.” (73:12, B)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• God’s Total Goodness & Miracles Defined: 00:08–06:20
• Natural vs. Spiritual Skillfulness: 10:30–14:30
• Being ‘In the Spirit’—Explanation & Examples: 16:40–20:35
• Living Full—Personal Ministry Experience: 21:10–29:55
• Process: Praying “By the Spirit”: 30:20–38:13
• Following Spiritual Promptings (Story & Teaching): 39:16–44:20
• Personal Story: Spiritual Truth Becomes Reality: 45:32–48:12
• Don’t Be a ‘Cafeteria Christian’: 49:38–51:43
• Corporate Participation & The Miracle Flow: 52:52–55:30
• Why This Era Demands the Body’s Participation: 71:07–73:14

Conclusion

This episode is a dynamic and practical exploration of what it means to “live in the Spirit.” Joel Siegel makes a clear distinction between the state (“in the Spirit”) and the process (“by the Spirit”), showing that every Christian can and must regularly position themselves for spiritual realities to manifest. The necessity of both individual and corporate participation in spiritual activities is emphasized for both personal and collective breakthrough. Through scriptural teaching, personal stories, and practical guidelines, listeners are encouraged to live filled, follow the Spirit's promptings, and step fully into God's supernatural provision and flow.

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