In The Spirit, Part 2 | Joel Siegel | Paducah, KY | Thursday AM | Miracle Crusade 2023

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "In The Spirit, Part 2 | Joel Siegel | Miracle Crusade 2023, Paducah, KY"

Date: May 30, 2023
Host: Dufresne Ministries
Speaker: Joel Siegel (with contributions from Nancy Dufresne)
Event: Morning service, Miracle Crusade 2023, Paducah, KY

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Overview

This episode continues the teaching on the theme "In The Spirit," exploring what it means to function and live from the spiritual realm as opposed to being limited by the natural realm. Joel Siegel teaches on accessing spiritual realities, living in continual communion with God, the process and place of being "in the Spirit," and the practicalities of participating in the flow of God's power—individually and corporately—for miracles and Christian effectiveness. The episode also highlights the importance of every believer learning to live, pray, and minister by the Spirit, especially in this era of the Church.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. God's Goodness and Expectation of Miracles

• Joel Siegel opens by emphasizing the importance of fully believing and declaring God's total goodness, counteracting the world’s skepticism (00:08-03:10).

  • “He is good enough to take care of both legs, both arms, both your eyes, your ears, all of it.” (02:40, B)

• Miracles are simply the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural.

  • “All a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm.” (05:26, B)

2. Nature and Access Points to the Spiritual Realm

• The spiritual realm is wholeness—no sickness, lack, or deformity (04:45-05:12).

• The Word and spiritual activity (prayer, worship, meditation) are “portals” to that realm (06:49-08:20).

  • Jesus’ words “They are Spirit, they are life” (John 6:63) are referenced (07:30).

• Renewing the mind through the Word realigns the believer to spiritual reality, not just the natural (08:40-09:20).

3. Spiritual Skillfulness vs. Natural Skillfulness

• Practical example with finances:

  • People in the natural can learn laws (like compound interest) and develop skill, but “God’s given you something that doesn’t fail—the laws of the Kingdom" (11:45-13:45).

• Most Christians don’t know or access the higher laws of God’s Kingdom, missing out on healing, prosperity, divine leading (14:28).

4. Being 'In The Spirit': The Place and The Process

• Biblical example: John on Patmos ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day" – Revelation 1:10-12)

  • It’s possible to become more conscious of the spiritual (God) realm than the natural, by degrees (16:40-18:00).

• This isn’t about seeking spectacular experiences, but about yielding to the Spirit so that spiritual truths become reality (19:00-20:17).

• Living in this state means ongoing communion with God, praise, meditation, prayer, tongues—keeping the “tank full” (21:10-25:10).

  • “It’s easier to stay there than to have to get there from zero again.” (23:22, B)

5. Process (Pathway) to ‘In The Spirit’

• Ephesians 6:18: “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit” (30:20)

  • The phrase “in the Spirit” includes not just being in the state, but being led by, relying on, depending on, and prompted by the Spirit (“by the Spirit”) (31:48-34:55).

• Practical illustration: Not every time of prayer leads to tongues—sometimes it’s thanksgiving, sometimes prophecy. The key is following the Spirit’s promptings in each moment (39:16-42:05).

• “You’re following the Spirit in prayer... and anything you do by the Spirit will get you in the Spirit.” (38:30, B)

6. Participation and Corporate Flow

• Everyone must participate in the activity prompted by the Spirit, not just their personal preferences (48:47-51:43).

  • “You don’t get to choose. ...You don’t get to be a ‘cafeteria Christian’.” (49:38, B)
  • Spiritual activities (lifting hands, corporate prayer, tongues, rejoicing) help move from the natural to the spiritual.

• Corporate prayer and expression create a stronger flow; when everyone enters in, “prizes” (breakthroughs, miracles) are distributed to all (53:36-54:48).

• “If you don’t get into it, you won’t get into it.” (52:06, B)

7. Application: This Era Requires Everyone’s Participation

• The present era of the Church requires the body—not just ministers—to participate in the flow of the Spirit for the fullness of God’s power (71:07-72:37).
  • “This era requires the whole body participating. All of us that know need to flow… It’s vital that we learn to live full and flow together.” (71:58, A)
  • “The degree of power required to wrap up this revival… needs to be conducted through the body.” (72:37, B)

8. Personal Story – From Concept to Reality

• Nancy Dufresne shares: As a child in cold Buffalo, the idea of a warm Christmas was conceptual until she experienced it herself—so too must spiritual truths become “real” through experience (45:32-48:12).
  • “What we read in the Word... the Spirit will bring us to a place where these concepts we've heard become real. …I can be led, I can see things by the Spirit.” (47:24-48:10, A)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You might think... we caught up on this, but we’ll just deal with that other debt. He’s good enough. He could take care of things in one day. He's that good.” (02:35-03:05, B)
• “All a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm.” (05:26, B)
• “The words I speak to you, they are spirit, they are life.” (07:34, quoting John 6:63, B)
• “Most Christians... probably better than 95%... do not know they can live a completely different life [by the Spirit].” (14:28, B)
• “It’s easier to stay there than to have to get there from zero again.” (23:22, B)
• “If you don’t get into it, you won’t get into it.” (52:06, B)
• “This era requires our—the whole body—participation. ...It’s vital that we learn to live full and flow together.” (71:28, A)
• “The degree of power…needs to be conducted through the body. That means God needs you.” (73:12, B)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• God’s Total Goodness & Miracles Defined: 00:08–06:20
• Natural vs. Spiritual Skillfulness: 10:30–14:30
• Being ‘In the Spirit’—Explanation & Examples: 16:40–20:35
• Living Full—Personal Ministry Experience: 21:10–29:55
• Process: Praying “By the Spirit”: 30:20–38:13
• Following Spiritual Promptings (Story & Teaching): 39:16–44:20
• Personal Story: Spiritual Truth Becomes Reality: 45:32–48:12
• Don’t Be a ‘Cafeteria Christian’: 49:38–51:43
• Corporate Participation & The Miracle Flow: 52:52–55:30
• Why This Era Demands the Body’s Participation: 71:07–73:14

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Conclusion

This episode is a dynamic and practical exploration of what it means to “live in the Spirit.” Joel Siegel makes a clear distinction between the state (“in the Spirit”) and the process (“by the Spirit”), showing that every Christian can and must regularly position themselves for spiritual realities to manifest. The necessity of both individual and corporate participation in spiritual activities is emphasized for both personal and collective breakthrough. Through scriptural teaching, personal stories, and practical guidelines, listeners are encouraged to live filled, follow the Spirit's promptings, and step fully into God's supernatural provision and flow.

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Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message.

[B]

Praise the Lord. We want to welcome you today to the service. Thank you for coming to the morning edition of the defrain Ministries Miracle Crusade. We are excited to be here. Amen. These meetings don't fizzle out, you hear me? We don't fizzle out. On the last day. We go from glory to. To glory, from glory to glory. You know, you sing stuff like what we were singing. It's so simple, isn't it? I mean, Lord, we love you, you are good. But what's contained in that, in those few words, you are good, is some of the greatest revelation of a human being can ever receive. That God is good. He is good, you understand? He's able to do exceedingly, abundantly, above all you can ask or imagine, according to the power that's at work in us. That's his goodness. That's his desire. You know what he wants to do for you? Good things. He wants to do good things. You can't sing it enough. You can't say it enough. He's a good God. Because everything in this globe that's spinning around wants to tell you differently. And one of the things that the voices of this world will try to tell you is, well, he's so, so good. But he's not all that good. But he is that good. He is that good. Amen. And what are you talking about? Whatever situation you're being encouraged by your feelings or symptoms or whatever it is, whatever situation you feel like, well, we just need to deal with this. We just need to live with this. And, you know, we can. There's other things we won't put up with, but we just. We'll just put up with this, you know, I mean, I got this healed, but my leg still doesn't work. But we'll just deal with that because I can. I can function with one leg. No, you gotta understand, he's good enough to take care of both legs, both arms, both your eyes, your ears, all of it. All of it. All of it. Amen. Get your. He's good enough. You might think, well, you know, we've got caught up on this, but we'll just deal with that other debt, you know, he's good enough. He's good enough to get you. He. He could take care of things in one day. In one day. Can't. He could take care of things in one day. He's that good. He's. He's that Good. And you know when you're done saying it and you know when you're done singing it, when people are. When people are abuzz with it, when they're like, did you know? Did you know? But as long as folk are just sitting there, like, I've heard that. Give me something to stimulate my. Give me something. I don't know. You don't know that yet. And you know who I'm preaching to? You figured it out by now. I'm really preaching to me, right? As long as I'm helped. We do want it. We do want everybody helped, you know, we want everybody helped for sure, for sure. But I can't hear it enough. The more you sing it, the more you say it, the more God can manifest it. Hallelujah. These are miracle crusades. All a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm. The things that we would call miracles in the spiritual realm, they're not miracles. They're normal conditions. Right. It's only a miracle in this realm. And so the thing about this is the conditions of the spiritual realm don't usually just come to us randomly as a normal thing. Somebody needs to go to that realm. Or we could say this receive of that realm, bring it into this natural realm, and then the conditions of the spiritual realm manifest in this natural realm. See, a miracle to us is an interruption of or an overriding of natural circumstance. Yes. The doctors say this can't be fixed and it would take. So we understand that from the medical standpoint, although we're very grateful for all that can be done, there's things that they should be the first to admit. We can't do that or we don't yet know how to do that. Well, does that mean it's all said and done, you just have to deal with it? No, there's another realm. And in that other realm there is no sickness, disease, deformity, none of it. There's nothing missing. There's complete wholeness in the spiritual realm. So all we need to do. If the doctors have told you there's no hope, there's no help, well, thank them for being honest. You know, don't rebuke the. Can I help you? Don't rebuke the doctor in Jesus name. They're telling you their job is not to prophesy spiritual things to you. You know what I'm saying? Their job is to tell you from a scientific background where we're at. So don't say I rebuke that evil report. Like, what do we have here. Oh, a Christian. I should have known. But, you know, you know, thank them, thank them. But then run as fast as you can. Run to the realm where. That's not the report. Amen. Now, we know about that realm because of this word. Amen. And these words are actually words from another. Another place, another place. And they'll put you in the spirit realm. We talked about how spiritual activity moves you into the spiritual realm. You know, you can feed on the word of God, meditate on the word of God, and be transformed to another realm. This is. This is one of your portals. This is one of your portals to another world. You understand? Jesus said the words that I speak, John 6:63. The words that I speak to you, they are spirit, they are life. So you get his words in you, and you get enough of the Word in you. The word of God will begin to displace. As it gets in, your spirit, floats up and changes your thinking. Bible calls that renewing the mind, changes your thinking. And all of a sudden you find yourself reoriented, right? And you're no longer thinking just in terms of the natural. What you see, what you hear, what you feel physically. But now you're realigned, reoriented to the realities of another world. Amen. That's one of the ways you go there. But for the conditions of the spiritual realm to manifest in the natural realm, we have to be skillful at accessing the spiritual realm. Amen. This is where we're at, friends, huh? The natural realm by itself. There's people that are good at it. There's people that are good, for example, at making money. Just in the natural realm, they've learned. What have they learned? They've learned principles, they've learned laws. You've learned this. Anybody that's endeavored to. To financially increase just in the natural, you've learned that probably your job alone won't get you there. See what we're saying? Why? Because, well, your job is, in most cases, you're trading hours for dollars. Somebody's paying you dollars for your hours and your time and your skill and all that. But in most cases. Not in every case, but in most cases. Can I get a testimony, a witness here? In most cases, you're not getting enough dollars to do all that. The Bible shows that God's provided for you in terms of living and giving, right? And so there has to be something beyond it. Well, see, just in the natural, people have learned that different principles. They've learned about investing, they've learned about the law of interest. Who was it that was asked? Some of you can help me. I don't know if it was, was it Einstein or somebody like that. They said, what's the most powerful force in the universe? And they said, compound interest. Who was that? Was it, I think it was, I don't know. It doesn't matter. Google the most powerful compound interest. How many know that interest can work against you or it can work for you? Well, what is that? See, people have learned these laws and they can look at charts that I don't even understand. It's just green and red and blue graphs. To me, those lines don't maybe not mean anything, but to another person they can forecast trends, they can tell you what's about to happen, all in the natural realm. Because they develop skill in this realm and they can tell you invest in this, don't invest in that. They still get it wrong some, you know, but you can develop a degree of skill and fine, good to do that. But God's given you something that doesn't fail. And there are laws and principles in the spiritual realm, we call those law. Those are the laws of the kingdom of God, right? And while you're here in the, in the system of this world, this world's kingdom, you can operate according to a different kingdom. You can operate the laws of the kingdom of God and live a different life than those who don't know these laws. Now most Christians don't know these laws. That's why we're sharing the good news. They've been in the Bible since the Bible was written. This truth has been available since this is not anything new, you understand? But most Christians, when I say most, I'm not. How many know? 51% would be most. I'm not talking 51%. I'm talking better of 90, probably better than 95% of Christians born again people. They do not know that they can live a completely different life than those who don't even know Christ. They don't know that there are the laws of prosperity. They don't know that they can learn to access healing. Come on now. They don't know that they can walk in a degree of accuracy regarding their decision making and never really, really never get it wrong. Just learn to kind of make the right decision over and over and over. See, that's available for all of us, but you can't get there just living completely attached to the natural realm. So we've been talking about this realm of the Spirit and particularly want to focus on this phrase in the Spirit. Did you turn to the verse that I thought about but didn't tell you about. Go to Revelation chapter one, if you would, one more time. And God is helping us, is he not? Revelation, chapter one. He is a good, good God. That's exciting to me because I tell you what, we have things going on that in the natural can't happen. What's that mean? Nothing. You got to get to where that means nothing. Nothing, nothing. If we're following God, we good. We good because he's good. Revelation chapter one. We looked at it yesterday. John, physically speaking, was exiled. Remember that little tiny island? He was exiled. I still haven't looked it up. He was exiled on the isle of, of Patmos. And so physically, he was in Patmos. But he says in verse 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard, heard behind me a great voice as of a trumpet. And then verse 12. And then the voice was actually Jesus saying something. And then in verse 12, he said, and I turned to see voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks. So we said, it's possible to find yourself in a state of existence called in the spirit, short for in the spiritual realm. I mean, I added that, but that's obviously what it's talking about. It's talking about the spiritual realm. And in that place, you're able to see beyond what these physical eyes can see. And you're able to hear things not with just your physical ears, but you're able to hear from that realm. What are you doing? You're receiving input, you're receiving guidance, you're receiving direction. You're seeing what needs to be shown from that other world. And that information are words of spirit and life that will help carry you to where God wants you to go. But you can be in this place, in the Spirit, by degree. We said yesterday, right over in the fourth chapter, John says, suddenly, suddenly, suddenly I was in the Spirit. And what we're really talking about. And what was the case with John when he talks about being in the spirit, was he was in a state where he was more conscious of this God realm, more conscious of this spirit realm than he was of the natural physical realm. And you can get far over into that place to where you're completely unaware of your physical surroundings, right? You can get to where your physical, your physical senses are suspended. I mean, to, to where really almost you've left your body. Now you might. Somebody might say, well, I want to do that. You want to follow God? You want to follow God. You could Live on this earth as a Christian. Live for God all the way. Live and die. Go to heaven. And the only experience like that you have would be your trip to heaven. And that does not mean you are unspiritual. Amen. These things aren't promised. They're available. We sometimes tell the more extreme stories to help illustrate it in a memorable way. But there is a Sepakiko Rife and Chapaka and Teroto Lokotanza. There are levels and degrees that belong to all of us. All can journey as led by the Spirit into the God realm and receive God truths and, and even partake of the very properties of God himself. Amen. Glory. So you can get to where Paul was over in 2nd Corinthians 12 when he said, whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know, I was caught up to the third heaven. Again, that doesn't. We can't, we can't put faith based on Paul's testimony. There's nothing that said and everybody should believe for this. You know what I'm saying?

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We.

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We can't believe God to have such experiences, but we can. Like I just uttered, we can all experience the spirit realm and need to, need to. So there's degrees. And what we want to do is live in a place where we're not just 100% in the natural. You're not going to live in a place where you're not sure if you're in the body or out of the body, but you want to live in a degree. It's called being filled with the spirit. To where you're in constant communion. You're constantly giving expression to spiritual things, always thinking of the Word, meditating on the Word, speaking the word, praising, worshiping, giving thanks, rejoicing, speaking in other tongues. And you're holding what you're doing by. By. If that's your constant lifestyle, you're holding yourself in a place where it's easy to go, where God would take you, it's easy to receive. And then if, then if God needs to move you or deals with you, prompts you to spend time, maybe, maybe back off from the natural, spend time in prayer, spend time focusing on him. Then he can get you to this place of greater clarity. Amen. In the Spirit. And so we saw this in the Spirit. I was in the Spirit. On the Lord's Day. You see what you need to see, you hear what you need to hear. I love Dr. Dufresne's illustrations over the years, and a lot of them have stayed with Me, which is good. But he used to talk about, he said, I'm not always bumping my head. You remember him saying that? Meaning so many Christians, they walk around walking into this wall, spiritually speaking. They just walk right, boom, banging their head into this and banging. What's he talking about? Being spiritually dull. Not able to see what you need to see. Not hearing what God's endeavoring to minister to you and not making the progress you need to be making in life. Listen, how many know in ministry that can be the case there. It can be the case that you're not hearing what you need. Amen. You got to do what it takes not to earn it, but you have to do what it takes to position yourself to receive from the spiritual realm. Now, over in Ephesians, the sixth chapter, if you don't mind, to go back there, we. Okay today, listen, I'm just reviewing a little bit because if these concepts aren't familiar, you know, it takes more than one hearing. I said to you yesterday that there is another aspect of this phrase in the Spirit and we see it throughout Scripture more than the one we just talked about. This second aspect. And we're going to read this verse here. Wonderful. Hallelujah. And over in the 18th verse of Ephesians 6, this great, great verse on the subject of prayer where it says praying always with all prayer. Remember I told you that word prayer is the Greek word that really includes worship. Includes. And if it includes worship, it would include praise, it would include thanksgiving. Right. Praying always, all the time, with every variety of. This prayer is not something you do at prayer meeting only. Right. There's varieties of it that ought to be happening all day long, you might say. Really, really, really. I really mean it. I know I get to hang around my wife a lot and she's all the time giving utterance to the things of God. I don't mean in a weird way, but I mean just holding herself. She's either praying in tongues. We're driving in the car. Sometimes I joke about it. I say I have to make an appointment to talk to you when we're in the same room or in the same car. Well, it's not that she's under some kind of far out burden of prayer, but she's holding herself in a place of fullness because we found this out. It's easier to stay there than to have to get there from zero again. I'll illustrate a little bit of what I mean. And we will read Ephesians 6, but not just yet. When I left I traveled with Brother Hagin for a number of years from 1993 to 2000. And in 2000 we left and we moved to the Buffalo, New York area to pioneer Church. The Lord directed us there to do that. And I would have been happy to stay with Brother Hagin until he was done. But God had dealt with us, the timing and everything. And we talked to him and he sensed it was right as well. So we did that. We left and really for the first time, I'd been in ministry at that time for about full time for about almost 10 years, but not in. It wasn't my own ministry. It was full time serving others. And so when we went off, now there's nobody telling me what decisions to make. See what I'm saying? And we're pioneering a church. One of the first things we had to do, because we lived with my father in law to start with, but one of the first things we had to do was get a place to meet. And we got a place. And this place involved money and we did not yet have a congregation. And so I'm seeking God you can understand. I mean, I think this place was like 6,100 square foot. I mean, that's for commercial real estate. And we were renting it, you know, looking to rent it. And it seemed like God was leading us towards this. But I'm telling you, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed until I heard actually. Until I actually heard a voice that was very strong saying, get up, stop praying, do what I told you to. Just do what I told you to do. I mean, there's being cautious and then there's being like, you know, to the extreme. That's what I was doing. Because I'm thinking, you know, I don't know how to pay for this. And so we did that. And it took me days and days and days to make that decision. And then, you know, we started the church and then everything. Then once you get some people coming, you realize that, okay, your decisions don't just affect you, your decisions are going to affect other people. And so I'd pray and I'd pray and I'd pray and I'd pray. What am I doing by those spiritual activities of prayer? I'm moving myself toward that spiritual realm, closer until I could hear with clarity and I'd get my direction. Well, after doing this, by the time I'd pray, for one thing, and then get all the way out back into the natural, which was home base for me. Nobody else I know here in this church But I'm just saying that was me. Well, by the time I prayed for it, which took four or five days to make this decision, and then it didn't take me long at all to get right back in the natural. Well, then there was. It got to where now I've got other decisions stacked up. And it finally occurred to me, the lights went on and I finally realized, you know, if you just live, you might always known this, but now I see I learned it. I was maybe late to learn this. You think traveling with Brother Hagin for all these years, you think I would have learned this, But I didn't learn this then I learned it, figured I don't have time. It got to where I can't take four or five days to make every decision. And so what I realized I didn't have time for was flipping back to a place of spiritual emptiness. And I had to live in a state of spirituality. And then as we've gone now this, what 2000 was 23 years ago. As we've gone through the years, the decisions have gotten bigger and bigger, more and more. More frequent, More frequent, affecting more people. And so the level of fullness I lived in back then, that doesn't cut it now. And so over the years, we've had to up it and up it and up it and keep. Just keep going until we really just can't afford. Now, we don't use that phrase, can't afford. When. When we're looking at a new bicycle or a new motorcycle or a new car. We won't say that. We just don't like to talk. Talk that unbelief. But there are things we can't afford. We can't afford to live in the natural. And so we've learned to just keep ourselves. Not like John was on the isle of. Not to where we're not even aware of the natural realm, but to where we are aware, praise the Lord. To where we have the soundtrack of my life come on. To where we are aware of the God realm, a place of awareness. Now, did you find Ephesians 6? So I was saying that's why when I'm with my wife, she's either singing something, saying something, praising, praying in other tongues, usually under her breath. But I can tell she's engaged to someone else. She's living there, just keeping herself there. Why? Because we can't afford not to. She handles our finances. That's why she has to double keep herself there. We can't afford not to. Do you know, we're in the day where we can't afford, as the body of Christ, we can afford, afford to live just bound to the natural realm. Can't afford that. Can't afford that. It's not going to cut it over. In Ephesians, chapter 6, the 18th verse, praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit. Now, I said to you, there's two. There's these two ways that this phrase in the Spirit is used in the Bible. The one is to denote that place, the place of being in the Spirit. The other, as it's used here, is really talking about the process, the process to get you to the place. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit will get you in the Spirit. Now, here's something just that helped me so much because for years and years I had kind of struggled with some of these because I'd read this phrase in the Spirit, and I'd think, well, that, you know, you can't just pray always in that state that John was in. And. And I didn't get it. Now, I heard brother Kenneth Hagin make this statement years ago. He didn't say it all the time, but he said it more than one time. And I heard it more than one time in person as well as on recordings when he taught on this verse. He'd say, scholars tell us that this phrase in the Spirit carries or includes the idea of being led by the Spirit. Anybody heard him, that you heard him say it? Yeah. Okay. And I started to. Well, I tried to read after those scholars, and I never found anybody that I knew, you know, he was in a different generation, read after different people, but I never found anybody that said that. But yet something about it rang true to me. And so I just kind of. Just maybe casually over the years as I've studied, I've always just kind of had my antenna up for Lord, help me see where that is, because it seems like there's some truth there. And a number of years ago, he was so good and showed me just to look up that word or that phrase in the original language. You know, I'm not a Greek scholar. I read after some who are Greek experts, but I'm not, certainly. But most of the time, when I get something from the Greek, it's because the Spirit of God prompts me, look at this, study this. And I did that. And I saw that this phrase in the Spirit, the word in is the same Greek word that's translated by. Yeah, by the Spirit. For example, when it talks about over in First Corinthians, 12. No one speaking by the Spirit says, jesus is accursed. Same word, same word. And you could really read this that way. Praying always with all prayer and supplication by the Spirit by the Spirit. That helped me. And as I studied that further, what does that mean? Praying by the Spirit by means of the Spirit, with reliance on the Spirit, within the boundaries of the Spirit, by the prompting of the Spirit, by the unction of the Spirit, by the direction of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit, all of that. There it is. There it is. By the Spirit. Praying always without prayer and supplication by the Spirit, by doing things by the Spirit will help get you in the Spirit. Yes. We good? Raise your hand if we're good. If you got issues, raise your hand. All right, we'll pray for you. Praying always with all prayer and supplication by the Spirit by means of the Spirit, with reliance on the Spirit within the boundaries of the Spirit by the prompting, unction, direction by the leading of the Spirit over. In the 14th chapter of First Corinthians, you know a great chapter. We have several verses in this chapter that help us put the gift of tongues in its proper place. Help us rightly divide that you know. And this great. This great second verse, First Corinthians 14, verse 2, says, for he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God, for no man understands him how, be it in the Spirit or by the Spirit, by the Spirit, he speaks mysteries. You speak of things beyond your natural understanding. You do that by the Spirit, with the help of the Spirit, by the prompting of the Spirit, by the leading of the Spirit. When you and I say we're praying in the Spirit, it means all of that. Praying in the Spirit is not solely a reference to praying in other tongues. It includes praying in other tongues. But you pray. Anytime you pray. Listen, friends, anytime you pray, you should be praying by the Spirit every time you pray. And anything you do by the Spirit will get you in. The Spirit will position you and help move you toward this place, we call it in the Spirit, where you're more conscious of God's realm than you are this natural realm. Now, as an illustration, yesterday, as we were praying, if you were here, I started to get there and was really just right at the place where I almost got to, where I didn't know who was, whether people were in the room, whether people weren't in the room. But just following the Spirit, praying long enough there was good. What we call utterance. What's utterance? That's the prompting of the Spirit. So we were praying by the Spirit and getting in the Spirit. Remember I said, in the Spirit is by degree. But why is this important? Because all a miracle is, is the conditions of the spiritual realm manifesting in the natural realm. And to get those conditions, somebody has to go access, receive from that spiritual realm. Praise the Lord. Not trying to be technical, not trying to be complicated, but endeavoring to just help us all see some things. Amen. By the Spirit. He speaks mysteries. And if I had to just pick one thing out of that list of, you know, by means of the Spirit, within the boundaries of the Spirit, if I had to just pick one thing, and if you ask me what does it mean to pray in the Spirit, I'd say it this way. You're following the Spirit in prayer. You're following the Spirit in prayer. In tongues, yes. But also, anytime you go to prayer, you're aware of who's in you. It is possible to get in the Spirit by any of these means. The word praise, worship, rejoicing. Remember, I gave you all this list. So which one do you do? Which one do you do today, which one do you do tomorrow? You follow the Spirit. For example, would you like a for example? And my example gals here, too. So jump on up if you got to jump on up. For example, I'm thinking of a time of prayer we were in. And I did not have any prompting because my wife started leading it. There were some mothers there, my wife started leading it, and they were praying in other tongues. I couldn't pray in other tongues. I don't mean I lost that gift. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I couldn't go there. Why? I'm following. Anytime I pray, I'm following the Spirit. I'm endeavoring to do it by the Spirit. But what I could do, I had. I just had unction to give thanks. And I did. And I. And you don't always have to be, you know, like lightning fast doing these things. You can do it. You can do it slowly and purposely. You know, sometimes people just jump in and start rattling things off in other tongues. They do it so fast, that stuff's going by them and they're missing it so fast. You know, sometimes things are fast, sometimes the things are slow. How do you know you're following the Spirit in prayer? And so I just sat there and I just said, thank you, Lord. And I'm focusing on him. Where is he in me? He lives in Me. So I'm focusing on his prompting, what he's giving. And I started giving thanks. And I gave thanks over and over and over. And if. I don't know if it was maybe 200 rounds of 200 times, maybe more than 200 times of just giving thanks. Thank you, Lord. Why'd you do that? There was strong prompting to do that. And I didn't have prompting to just head off into other tongues. Eventually the others joined me, I think. But what I'm trying to say is I followed the spirit and I just gave thanks. Never uttered a word in other tongues. And I got to where I was in the spirit, started prophesying some things. We have it written down. It's not relevant to what. What we're talking about today, but started prophesying some things. I mean, speaking like. Like I'm standing here and standing next to myself, hearing what I was saying. Many ministers, you know, if you operate in that. You know what I'm talking about, how. Well, I didn't get. How did I get in the spirit? Right. All godly spiritual activity will move you in that direction. But then particularly what the Lord's prompting, just following how he's prompting, following his promptings in prayer will get you there the strongest and the quickest. Amen. It's not always his plan that every time you pray, you end up in a state of. In the spirit where you're not even conscious of the natural realm. It is always his plan that you follow him. Amen. And here's. Here's just the great thing about it. The same way I follow him in prayer, that's the same leading of the Holy Spirit. It's the same Holy Spirit that helps me when I have to make a decision. It's the same Holy Spirit that'll help me know who it's safe to date or marry. Come on, now. It's the same Holy Spirit by which we know, buy this house, don't buy that house, buy that, buy this car, don't buy. It's the same one. And we see, we make a mistake when we fail to look to his promptings in prayer. But then all of a sudden, now, crisis mode. Do we have the surgery? Do we not have the surgery? You know, now crisis mode, we're having to. Okay, what do we do? I need to hear, hearing. Anytime you follow his prompting, you're hearing. And that's actually a word. Even though it's a prompting, just a push, a prompting, what we call the witness of the Spirit, that's actually a word. Spiritually speaking, that's actually a word. And how does faith come? By hearing from God. That's right. Oh my. That's breakthrough. Amen. Amen. Amen. Selah. Yes. Yeah. Faith people all the time say, I'm believing for such and such. Based on what? Well, the Bible says this. Okay, if the Bible says something in a general sense. But do you still. But there's still specifics that the word doesn't address. You got to hear from God on that. And those prompting, a push, the witness of the Spirit. That's a word by which faith comes. You can make a life or death decision based on the prompting and peace of God on the inside of you. And you get skillful at discerning his leadings by following him in prayer. Praying, always praying, always praying, always praying with all prayer and supplication. How you do it? By the Spirit. We follow the Spirit in prayer. Now you might say, I don't even know how to start. Well, glory to God. God will put you in a corporate setting. We call it the local church. Have you heard anything? No matter what, no matter what we're preaching about, it all comes back. It all home runs back to. Yeah, God will put you in a corporate setting where you can be trained in this. And he'll see everything we do needs to be by the Spirit. By the Spirit. So let me, let me sum up, wrap up and hopefully tie us up pretty. There's these two many times when the Scriptures, when the New Testament uses this phrase in the Spirit, many times it's talking not about the place, the place where you're more conscious of God and barely conscious of the natural, but it's talking about not just the place, the process. The process. The. The what gets you. What can get you to that place. By the spirit. Doing things by the spirit. Hallelujah. Jump on up. The Lord will give you something. I mean, he's never not. I could keep going and going and going and going and going. I don't want to praise the Lord.

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I grew up in Buffalo, New York, just south of Buffalo. It's pretty up there. In the summer it's like here, it's all green. But most of the time it's winter. Most of the time it's really cold. And as a kid, I already told you, we didn't. We didn't do elaborate vacations and things like that. All my friends would go to Florida in the winter with their parents and we didn't. So I'd see things on tv. I'd see people in Hawaii. I'D see people in Florida, and it looked warm there. But because I never went there as a kid, I kind of knew it must be real. But it wasn't real to me that places could be warm in January. It was a concept, but it wasn't a reality to me. And then I married this fellow, and we wound up traveling. Our first couple years of marriage, we were traveling with a Christian music group, and I found myself. We did this Christmas tour, and I found myself at an outdoor concert in Fort Lauderdale singing about Jingle Bells while balmy breezes were blowing through my hair. And I was looking at Christmas lights on palm trees, and I thought, it's real. It can be warm in January.

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Dashing on the boat in the swampy Everglades.

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Well, what are we saying? What we read in the Word, what we hear from our pastor, what we hear in these meetings when we are led. He's cracking up it at himself. When we're learning this in prayer and led by the Spirit, he will bring us to a place where these concepts and things we've heard become real. And you can stand there and go, it can be warm. I can be led by. I can hear for myself. I can see and know things by the Spirit. I can participate with the Revealer.

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Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Glory to God. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. So don't think when you hear these things that that's just for my pastor. That's just for brother Joel. That's just for the ministry. No, no, no. He wants to reveal to all of us. He wants to be our guide. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Yeah, praise him.

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Amen. So God will put you in places like, like here where you can get some, like, experience for yourself.

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Amen.

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God's a God of experience.

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Yes, he is.

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Amen. You don't just hear the word. You ride the ride. You get to ride the ride. Amen. And you know prayer, like we said, prayer is not the only route or it's not the only avenue to get you in the Spirit. What gets. What gets you there. All godly spiritual activity. But we want to do the activity that the Spirit's prompting at the time where we run. And the Spirit of God has some great activities. Come on now. You're here at camp this week. He's got some great activities. Thing is, you don't choose. Ah, help me. Help me not ruin. I don't want to ruin. A good spin, a good service so far. You don't get to choose right. Preach it, say it. I haven't even met any cafeteria Christians. You know what I mean? You remember the old cafeterias, you go down, you say, I don't like that. Because they'd always put the carrot raisin salad. That's a. And so if you, if you have any sense about you, you leave the carrot raisin salad and you get the jello, come on. Shimmering. The green, bright, neon green lime jello shimmering. That's what. They put that in the salad section of the cafeteria. And that's not your dessert, that's in the salad section. So you pick and choose what you like. I don't want this. I want this. Well, see, Christians think that, you know, you can be a. No, you can't be a cafeteria Christian. And so you have to participate in all of the events that God's planned. Amen. And there's, there's plenty of Christians that are like, I just don't get into the whole raising the hands in church thing. Come on. But thing about it is that's a spiritual expression. That's a spiritual activity that will help move you to the spiritual realm. And Christians will say, well, I'm okay with the pastor leading in prayer, but I just don't get into all of the, you know, everybody prays out loud type thing. Well, see, if you don't get into it, you don't get into it.

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Come on.

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Come on. And I mean, forget. And then there's the. Well, I just don't do the tongues. What do you mean? This is not a opt in. This is not like I want to opt into a newsletter or I want to. You don't opt in if you said yes to Jesus. Maybe nobody told you, but I'm telling you now, if you said yes to Jesus, you opted into everything. You have no option.

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Right, Right. Right.

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See, there's a corporate version of most spiritual activities. There's individual versions that you can practice yourself, and then there's corporate versions, corporate prayer. Have you noticed as we do it, there's a different strength to it? Right. Why is that? Well, it's because everybody together, that unified movement creates a stronger flow. Let me talk what we're talking about. Unified movement moving where? With the spirit, by the spirit, in the spirit. And what happens when you go in the spirit? You take home prizes, you get prizes, you take. You come out with. Come on, come on, ladies. You come out with shopping bags, huh? You come out with shopping bags of goodies from in the Spirit. Come on, little lv, little Vinnie, come on now. You come out with goodies, but you got to Be able to go there. And you know, how many know that there's a personal version of rejoicing and praising? Right? We talk about. We talk about that. Well, the people's like, well, I just don't get into that corporate rejoicing where people. What's the word? Get full to the point of saturation and get. Get to this place where they're just. I just don't get into that. If you don't get into it, you won't get into it. So we have to love every version of the variety of God and choose that. Even if I don't like carrot raisin flow, if it's a flow of God. Now, carrot raisin salad is not a flow of God. But if it's. If it's part of the variety of God that's listed in the word, I choose to like it and I choose to participate. Meaning add my expression to that flow. If it's happening corporately, I'm going to add my part. I'm going to add my part. If it's praise and worship, we shouldn't need somebody saying, praise, praise, praise, praise. I've said it for years. I'll keep saying it. The job of the praise and worship leader is not to get you to praise. It's to get you to shut up when it's time to do something else in the service. That's their job. It should be. Okay, everybody be seated. That should be their job. Praise and worship leader, not praise extractor. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get a praise.

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It's true.

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That's why it matters that we participate. Because when there's a corporate flow and we all go, then prizes for everybody. Listen. Including those who are present that didn't know how to go but have greater needs than anybody else in the place. And this is what we're. This is what we're about. Getting the needs of the people met. It's called the miracle flow. Praise the Lord. Good to be with you. Good night. I'm done.

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Well, we're gonna pray.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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Let's do that.

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It's all you.

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Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Let's do some of this. All right? Let's follow him. Let's enter into his realm. Let's get the prizes that the people need. All right, so we're gonna start standing just to change your position. If you've been sitting for a while and then you do you. If you want to. After we get started. If you want to sit. If that's more comfortable for you. Don't go to sleep. We're all participating, right? We're all participating. We're not just listening. We're yielding.

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Yeah, yeah. Ha ha.

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Yes.

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Just.

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Demonstrate.

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Demonstrating, demonstrating.

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Pastors, teachers, evangelists, walking in the fullness, the fullness, the fullness, the fullness of their office.

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Moving, flowing.

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Decree that thing. Decree that thing.

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In the heavens of.

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We have. We have. We have the miraculous. We have.

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The miracle flow. We have the miracle flow.

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We have.

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Interrupt.

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Your voice for your voice. To the forefront. About. Fullness of the body. The fullness of the body.

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We rejoice. We rejoice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Master.

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In. In eras past, there have been great revivals. And some of those revivals were almost void of the body of Christ participation, meaning that healing revival. Brother Hagin used to say it was like healing was in the air, though even ministers that didn't flow in that were participating in that. And the body of Christ at large didn't know much and didn't flow much, but they received. That's not this era. We've been taught in the body of Christ. We've moved in the body of Christ. This era requires all of our participation. I just kept praying about the fullness of the body. We can't just let pastor do it. We can't just let the ministers do it. We can. We can't just let the prayer team take care of things. This era requires our. The whole body participating. All of us that know need to flow. We need to be able to enter into these things. It is vital that we learn to participate, to live full and flow together.

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The reason that this era requires not just the ministers, but the whole body's participation is because the degree of power that's required to wrap up this revival and get us up, the degree of power is stronger than just what a few people can generate. But that needs to be conducted through the body. That's why the participation of the body's required in this move. But that's good. That's good. That means God needs you. Hallelujah.

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