Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Joel & Amy Siegel | Fredonia, NY | Thursday AM | Miracle Crusade 2021

August 21, 2021

Episode Overview

This episode, featuring Joel and Amy Siegel, centers on the power and necessity of prayer—particularly strategic, faith-filled prayer for the fulfillment of God's plans in the current era. Drawing on personal experiences and scripture, the Siegels exhort listeners to actively participate in "calling forth" what God has already made available to His people, emphasizing partnership with God, the role of prophetic words, supernatural manifestations, and impartation for the end-time Church.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Current Focus: Prayer and Partnership with God

[02:30–06:40]

• The Siegels share their deep connection to the Western New York region and their sense of spiritual investment there.
• The main theme is established: Prayer is essential—not optional—for God's purposes to be fulfilled in the earth.
• Joel explains, "For the plan of God to be played out, things must be prayed out." ([05:15])

Quote:
"For the plan of God to be played out, things must be prayed out."
—Joel Siegel ([05:11])

The Importance and Necessity of Prayer in the End Times

[06:41–17:30]

• Joel teaches from 1 Peter 4:7 (Amplified), emphasizing alertness and self-control for the sake of prayer during end times.
• He explains that God’s will is available but not automatically fulfilled—it must be brought to manifestation through prayer and obedience.
• Referencing Old Testament Israel, Joel warns that God’s promises can be delayed or missed when His people fail to cooperate.

Quote:
"God's wanting to do it guarantees the availability of those things, not the fulfillment of those things."
—Joel Siegel ([08:38])

Why Prophetic Words Sometimes Fail to Manifest

[09:30–12:30]

• Not all genuine prophetic words or intentions of God come to pass automatically; the Church must provide continual cooperation and intercession.
• Joel references respected prophets like Kenneth Hagin and Dr. Dufresne as examples of people who heard God but saw some words delayed because the Church did not pray or obey sufficiently.

Quote:
"If the body of Christ doesn't continue in that place...you'll abort his plan for now and he'll have to get another group of people."
—Joel Siegel ([10:58])

The Full Flow of God’s Power—How to Move Beyond “Ankle Deep”

[18:18–28:30]

• Relates to Brother Hagin’s teaching: The degree of God’s manifested power depends on believers praying and believing God for it.
• Joel uses Ezekiel 47's vision—waters rising from ankle deep to waters to swim in—as a prophetic picture for the last days. He challenges the Church not to settle for minimal spiritual manifestations.
• Ministers are likened to those who lead others out into deeper waters; it's a call to spiritual leadership.

Quote:
"Let’s not be satisfied with just the smallest flow, with just the trickle kind of flow. We want full flow. Say it with me, everybody—full flow!"
—Joel Siegel ([20:52])

Calling Forth What God Has Provided

[29:00–41:00]

• Teaching from John 14:12–14, Joel describes the biblical meaning of "ask" as "call for" or "demand as your right".
• He emphasizes that the Church’s "calling for" (prayer, declaration) is the means by which spiritual realities and prophecies are manifested in the earth.
• He references Daniel (Daniel 9) as someone who saw God’s promises in Scripture but realized prayer was necessary to transition from "should be" to "actually is".

Illustration:
Wishing for a pizza to be delivered isn’t enough—you have to actually call for it! Similarly, the Church must "call for" what God has promised.

Diversity of God’s Movements—Same Spirit, Different Ways

[41:05–48:10]

• Using 1 Corinthians 12:4–6, Joel highlights the diversity of spiritual gifts, ministries (administrations), and operations.
• Not all manifestations will look familiar—some will be "different" but must be discerned by the presence/anointing of God.
• He encourages openness to new moves of God and discourages dismissing the unfamiliar as not of God.

Quote:
"There are different ways that God moves, but there’s something the same about all of it…There’s always going to be God’s anointing attached to it."
—Joel Siegel ([44:22])

Prayer for Ministry Offices and the Fulfillment of Prophecy

[48:15–56:14]

• Believers are urged to pray for the full manifestation of ministry offices (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher) and for the gifts of the Spirit to be amplified.
• Prophetic words, personal or corporate, are to be "warred with" (1 Timothy 1:18)—that is, incorporated into prayer.
• No minister can fully supply their office in prayer alone; the body must assist.

Quote:
"These ministry offices need to be supplied through prayer…there’s nobody, ministry-wise…whose office is bigger than they can personally supply in prayer."
—Joel Siegel ([50:46])

Examples of Calling Forth and Prophetic Fulfillment

[56:15–67:00]

• Reflects on current and past prophetic utterances: waves of healing, Vatican visitation, the outpouring in Japan, Finney anointing (for conviction), and the Wigglesworth anointing (for miracles).
• Stresses the importance of collective prayer and declaration for these things to materialize.
• Encourages taking up what leaders and prophets see, declaring and decreeing them in prayer—these are not just nice words but divine invitations.
• Amy shares a vision of a heavenly room filled with living body parts (creative miracles), with angels taking and distributing them to earth—some returning unfulfilled due to lack of reception or spiritual preparation below.

Quote (vision):
"There must have been thousands of angels...They were taking the body parts that were needed and headed down. Some came back with a part still in their hand...because it wasn't received."
—Amy Siegel ([55:05])

Being a Watchman: The Responsibility of the Whole Church

[53:30–57:00]

• Amy references Isaiah 21:6—everyone is called to be a watchman, declaring what is seen or revealed by leaders.
• It’s not just for pastors; all are to "declare and decree" in agreement with God’s revealed plans.

Quote:
"We are all to be watchmen in this era…it requires power being made available so that people that need these things can receive."
—Amy Siegel ([54:01])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If today's Spirit-filled believers would start believing God for the move of His Spirit and pray...the same mighty power would be in manifestation today as it was then."
  —Joel Siegel quoting Brother Hagin ([18:42])
• "God’s put the precious fruit of the earth in Word and Spirit churches. Where is it?…Call for it!"
  —Joel Siegel ([44:20])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:09 – Opening prayer and setting the tone for the morning
• 05:11 – The vital necessity of prayer and partnership with God’s plan
• 10:50 – Why prophecies are sometimes unfulfilled
• 18:45 – Fullness of God’s power and “full flow” analogy
• 22:00 – Ezekiel 47: Deeper moves of God
• 29:24 – John 14:12–14 and “calling for” God’s promises
• 41:05 – 1 Corinthians 12: Recognizing “same Spirit, different ways”
• 48:00 – Praying for ministry offices
• 54:01 – Amy’s vision of the “body parts room” in heaven
• 57:25 – Hindrances to spiritual fulfillment (service order, lack of preparation)
• 67:18 – Prophetic prayer for voices and clarity in the era
• 70:16 – Receiving impartation and encouragement to respond

Impartation and Practical Steps

[75:00–end]

• Joel and Amy facilitate an impartation for attendees to move into a greater place in prayer, using Romans 1:11 as a scriptural basis.
• Emphasizes the “room” analogy: Sometimes we step for a time into a grace or realm carried by another as a “taste”—the responsibility is then to pursue it personally through ongoing prayer.
• Calls for persistence in stirring up what has been imparted and not just returning to old patterns.

Quote:
"When you get up in the morning, stir it back up. Something was imparted to enhance you in your prayer life."
—Joel Siegel ([89:25])

Takeaways for Listeners

• Prayer is the essential method by which God’s plans are fulfilled in the earth. You are invited and equipped to participate, not just for personal needs but for the greater works of God in this era!
• Prophetic words and scriptural promises require your agreement, voice, and active “calling for” in prayer.
• Openness to new expressions of the Spirit and discernment are necessary, as God moves in diverse but authentically anointed ways.
• Your agreement, declaration, and prayer supply are needed for your pastor, your church, and the global body of Christ to walk in God’s fullness—and for extraordinary miracles to become normal.
• Impartation in prayer is real—you can be brought into new places spiritually, but continued pursuit and response are key to walking in the fullness of what God’s offering now.

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