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Nancy Dufresne
Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message.
David Dufresne
Praise the Lord. You know God is in eternity. You know what? Eternity doesn't have a clock. In eternity, everything's now. Everything is now. That's why it says faith is now. Because faith is eternity's flow. Amen. When you say, I'm going to receive it, you're off what God said. Because there's nothing about future with God. It's all now. I said, it's all now. I'm going to get it and I'm going to have it. No, no, you have to say, have it now. Have it now. Have it now. Have it now. Have it now. Have it now. Because you're talking about eternity's realm and not this realm. And the way to change this realm is talk about eternity's realm. Because eternity's realm is complete. Did you know? In the spirit realm, your healing's complete, your prosperity is complete. Your answer is complete. Everything you need is already completed in God's realm. And when you say now, it transfers that realm to this realm. And this realm will catch up. But you have. You're the one who has to speak words that catch it up. Amen. It's by your permission, the permission of your faith, you speaking words, that causes what's already completed in God's realm to come into this realm and change this realm. Why? Because this realm is temporal. What's that mean? It's up for change. It's up for change.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Hallelujah.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
I take mine now. I take it now. If you're born again, you're in Christ. I said, you're in Christ. Everything he is, everything he's provided, everything he's purchased, everything he's made your is yours now. It's yours right now.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Did you know that because you're in Christ, you're whole Now, Outside of Christ is where symptoms are. But in Christ is wholeness. There's no symptoms in Christ. They're all outside of Christ. I just completed a 60 episodes teaching on In Christ. And I took the story of brother Kenneth Copeland. I was in one of his meetings recently, and he made this one. He told this wonderful testimony that in the 70s when he was, him and Sister Gloria were still in debt, and they were just learning the truths of the Word and how faith operated. And God spoke to them, said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Now you think about $50,000 is number today. But in the 70s, over 50 years ago, that's a big number. And brother Copeland had debt he didn't have. He didn't have those resources to fulfill in himself what God just said. But the skill of his answer was this. He said, in Christ, I have it. In Christ, I have it. And he said, since I have it in Christ, I can give it in Christ. Now listen to the skill of that. In Christ, I have it it. And in Christ, I can give it meaning. This outside of Christ, he couldn't have. In his own self, in his own resources, he couldn't have. But he didn't go to his resources to decide if he could obey God. He went to in Christ. This is what we have to train ourselves to go to first. When God says something, when God speaks something, we go, in Christ. It's already done in Christ, it belongs to me. So in Christ, I add my agreement, and then what happens? All the ability of healing goes into operation to fulfill what you just agreed to. Amen. And so brother Copeland just took his change. When he would break a dollar bill throughout the day, at the end of the day, he would take his change and throw it into a shoebox under his bed. At the end of when that shoebox would just get full of change, he'd send it in to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. He didn't count it. He'd just send it in. He did that several times. And after a while, he contacted the office and called Buddy Harrison and said, buddy, how much have I given since such and such a date? And they said, you've given well over $50,000. He said, There is no way. There is no way that my change amounted to over $50,000. But he said, but when I said, I have it in Christ and I can do it in Christ, I can give it in Christ, he said, then Christ made up the difference. He just needs our movement. God just needs movement that he can multiply.
Congregation
Amen.
David Dufresne
Why wait? Why wait?
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Well, while I was sit, that healing anointing came into my hand. And I've learned this. You move when it's moving. And if you'll move, I said, if you'll move while God's moving, you'll get what God's manifesting. Amen. And no one can move for you. No one can respond for you. So if you're here tonight and you say, pastor Nancy, I love what David said. Why wait till Thursday night?
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
So I want to do this. If you're in pain Right now, if there's pain in your body, we don't want that distracting and robbing from you in these services. So come up here and we will minister to you right now.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
If you're in this section over here, raise your hand. If you say, I would like hands laid on me, pain in my body, come up here. Those of you in this section, what about this side section over here? If you say, there's pain in my body, I'd like to be ministered to over here, raise your hand. Raise it real high. Come on up if you would.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
This middle section, if you say, I would like hands laid on me for pain in my body right now, raise your hand, raise it real high so we can see how many we're looking at. Y' all come on up, too, also, if you would. Praise the Lord. Congregation, is this why we're here? We're here for God to get his way? Hallelujah. We're here for God to get his way. I love what my husband used to say. He would say, what's wrong with the demonstrated sermon? Amen. People say, well, you gotta preach first. Listen, I believe in the preaching of the Word, and we're gonna have a lot of that this week. But what's wrong with the demonstrated word? Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
No reason to wait. Why wait?
Worship Leader
Why wait?
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Can I tell you this? When you're dealing with symptoms, when you're dealing with issues and opposition, talk about in Christ. Because all opposition, all difficulties are outside of Him. Amen. We talk about what we have in him. Don't talk about what's outside of him. Talk about what you have in him. And right now, you're whole in him. Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Right now, you're pain free in Him. In him. Right Symptom free in Him. Amen. Wholeness is in Him. Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Father, we thank you. We thank you. We thank you. Hallelujah. Congregation, would you reach your hands out toward these people?
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Those of you that are up here, say this. When hands are laid on me, the healing power of God will go into my body. It'll drive out pain and symptoms, sickness and disease, and I shall be whole. I receive it now because in Christ, I'm whole. Right now, I'm no longer occupied with what's outside of him. Symptoms, pain, disease. But my attention, my focus, my words are on who I am now in Him. And in Him. I'm whole in him I'm pain free and I receive that power. Hallelujah.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Behold there it goes in your love There it goes Behold Behold in Jesus name Behold there it goes There it goes Behold there it goes in you love Behold in Jesus name.
Worship Leader
Mention his name Sickness must go. I am made whole Mention his name Sinless must go Send on his will it's our Father's will the work has been done I'm already here I'm already here I am made whole Mention his name sickness must fall Stand on his word it's our Father's will the world has been done I'm already here Already here I am made whole Mention his name Sickness must go Stand on his word it's our Father's will the work has been done. He's crown king he's crown king of peace his name sealed in blood river Bows to the champion of love Already healed I am made whole Mention his name sickness must go Stand on his word his offer will the work has been done among already here I'm already here I am made whole Mention his name S must fall Stand on his word it's our Father's will the work has been done I'm already here his crown king of kings his name sealed in blood the universe bows to the champion of love. I'm already here I am able Let shine His name sickness Stand on his way it's as honest with the work has been done. Already I am made whole and judge his name sickness must go Stand on his way. The work has been done I'm already here I'm already here I am at home Mention his name Sickness must go Stand on his way it's our.
David Dufresne
You.
Worship Leader
The work has been done I'm already. One more time. I'm already here I am at home I mention his name S must go Stand on his word it's our Father's will the work has been done I'm already here standing Stand on his word it's all father's will the work has been done I'm already here.
David Dufresne
I tell you, faith doesn't talk about this realm. Faith is talking about. About the faith realm. Which is what? The spirit realm. It's God's realm. So faith gets its attention and is not occupied with this realm. It gets its attention off of this realm. And that's. That's the skill of faith. Even though you know what's going on in this realm, you know another realm trumps it. And you talk about his realm. That's the Faith realm. And we walk by faith, we walk by that realm. And so when we get up in the mornings and there's pain or there's symptoms, we say, no, not in. Not in the faith realm. There's none. There's no symptoms, there's no hindrance in the faith realm, God's realm, the in Christ realm. Amen. And so you start talking about the faith realm, the spirit realm realm, God's realm. Because if you just think, if you just think about. That's what Pastor Greg was talking about this morning. One of the things he was talking about, what you're occupied with, is what's going to gain. Movement. The devil does everything he can to hold you mindful of this realm. Because he knows in the faith realm he's whipped, he's got no access in God's realm. And if you can, if you will, shift your attention off of this realm that you see this realm that you feel, and you will be occupied with the faith realm and talk that realm, it will begin moving and dominate this realm. It's just that easy. It's just that simple. It's not harder. We're not earning something because it's already ours in that realm. We're just shifting our attention. God said to me some time back, he said, living in my present presence doesn't come by earning, it comes by turning. He said, no one has ever turned toward me and me not met them there. What's he saying when walking in his presence doesn't come by earning meaning. You don't have to read your Bible long enough to earn him. You don't have to pray long enough to earn him. We should read our Bible, we should pray, but that doesn't earn us anymore. It all belongs to because we belong to Christ. But as we read the Bible, we find out what already belongs to us. It doesn't give us more of it. It just runs ignorance out. So we quit putting up with what we have been putting up with this week. I want you to develop the skill of noticing, talking about, and having your total focus on the faith realm. His realm.
Guest Speaker
Realm.
David Dufresne
In his realm, I'm whole. In his realm, I'm provided for. In his realm, all is victory. So I talk about that realm. I laid that realm on this realm. How do I do that? With words you say, I don't understand that. I don't either. But it works. It just works. Isn't it so much better to be occupied with the wholeness realm than the sick realm realm? Isn't it better to be occupied with the provided for realm than the lack realm. That's really what walking in the spirit is. You're just occupied with the higher realm, God's realm. And you're talking about what is yours in that realm. And so because of that, it's an unchanging realm and it is an eternal realm. And it will change the temporal realm. If you can see it, it's up for change. If you can feel it, it's up for change. Amen. We don't walk by what we see while we look. Not while we look. Not at what? At the things which are seen. What's that? This realm. But we look at the things which are not seen.
Worship Leader
Seen.
David Dufresne
I love something Lillian B. Yeoman said in her book. She said, when God says, while we look not at the things which are seen, don't look at this, this realm. If we're going to look at this realm, we just disobeyed the Word. Because the Word says, don't look at this realm. Don't look at the things which are seen. Don't look at this realm. That's why people are troubled because they're disobeying the Word. Looking at this realm. Realm. And this realm holds trouble. His realm holds complete victory. The realm you're occupied with is the realm that's going to gain movement that day. Do you know we can be occupied with God's realm one day and with this, this, this natural realm the next day. Every day you have to get up and set your vision. And Jesus said, look at this. Jesus said, I'm the door. What's that mean? Mean I'm the entrance into another world. You choose the world you want to live in. Because the world you choose to be occupied with is the world that's going to manifest in your daily life. We are children of the God realm. The spirit realm belongs to us. We are citizens of that realm. Why? Because we're created in the image of God and that's his realm. And by birthright, that's our realm. I said that's our realm. So we talk about that realm in Christ, I'm whole in that realm. I'm whole in that realm. Every need is met. Every solution lives in that realm. Every answer lives in that realm. Can I tell you what this realm can get so tangled looking? When we look on this side, complications are what we see. We see tangled up relationships and all these kind of involves things involve things. In God's realm, nothing's tangled. It's so easy. In his realm, everything is already fixed. In his realm so faith is just looking at the right realm. It's his realm. It's your realm. It's the realm that you are enabled by God to live in and invited to. Because Jesus said, I'm the door. He's the door, the entrance into that realm. Choose your world every day, Every day. And circumstances arise to try to get you to choose a different world, to try to get you to choose this realm. Just because this realm is louder and just because this realm is immediate within your touch, within your feelings, it's a temporal realm. So in his realm is everything you desire. And everything of that realm, he already made yours. You understand that? Everything of that realm, he already made yours. So talk about that realm. I said talk about that realm. Get your attention fixed on that realm. Worship him in that realm. Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Have you ever noticed, you look at you, you sink lower. You ever notice that you get more disillusioned with life, but you keep yourself focused on him and everything's lifted. Everything is lifted. We've been raised and seated with Christ in heavenly places. Why? Because he intends that that be the place that we live. From that, we're always occupied with that position. What his realm. Everything is already completed in his realm. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah. HalleluJah.
David Dufresne
Ms. Reba, you got anything else? Check your heart. I'm talking about for he healing. You got any word, word of knowledge or anything regarding healing? I don't want to pass that by. Hand me. Hand me my purse.
Guest Speaker
Hallelujah.
Worship Leader
Thank you, Jesus.
Guest Speaker
Hallelujah. Hallelujah. It's okay if I do this? There's a lady right there with blonde hair and got the black outfit on. Yeah. You. Can you come here just for a minute? The Lord pointed you out to me earlier and said he's going to do a healing right here. Right here. In Jesus name. Name. In Jesus name. In Jesus name. In Jesus name. In Jesus name. Hallelujah. Poor devil. Poor devil. Poor devil. He's defeated. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord.
Worship Leader
Hallelujah.
Guest Speaker
Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. You know, there was a season when we were believing for children. After I had three miscarriages, seven. Specialists said there's no way I could carry a child. But you saw one of them here tonight, Then. I have a son, Israel. And his wife is expecting. After many years and lots of discouraging reports, they are expecting in August. Hallelujah. I just keep hearing the word. I keep hearing expectancy. Expectancy. And I know that's a Spiritual thing. But I also hear something that's. There's someone here that says, I have felt so barren. I felt so barren. It's been like when you were talking about that drought. You were talking about me. I've been so barren. Maybe that's in a physical way. Maybe you want to have children. You know, they're having children in the 50s now. It's amazing. Of course, Sarah trumps all of them, but I just. And this is all I got.
David Dufresne
If, If.
Guest Speaker
If you say, that's me, I just feel barren, or perhaps you physically say, I want to have a child. I don't know what I'm saying. But if that's you and you know it's you, would you come down here? Just real quick. Real quick. Real quick. Wow. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Sweetie, look at me. In our ministry years ago, we had two women that one had had a partial hysterectomy. One Jewish lady had had a total hysterectomy and she got pregnant. There's nothing too difficult for our God. Nothing too. I break the words that have been spoken over. We break these words, negative words, negative reports. We break the power of those words and we release the power of God. God seeing barren. Seeing barren. Because more of the children of the barren than of the fruitful woman. I say be fruitful in every way. In Jesus name. No more disappointment. No more disappointment. But full of faith. Full of faith, full of expectancy in the name of Jesus. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I know it's been a long journey. It's been a long journey, but you don't have to wait anymore. You don't have to wait anymore. Can somebody say hallelujah?
Congregation
Hallelujah.
Guest Speaker
Hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Fruitful. Fruitful in every way. In the name of. It's her turn.
David Dufresne
It's your turn.
Guest Speaker
It's your turn. And Jesus, stretch your hands this way. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. There's a place in Oxnard, California, that they grow strawberries. I mean, big fat straw, not these little dinky ones we get back here. I mean, strawberries. And I. And I keep smelling strawberries around you. And the Lord said, I'm making you fruitful in Jesus name. In Jesus name.
David Dufresne
Hallelujah.
Guest Speaker
Well, somebody praise the Lord. Somebody praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
When Richard Roberts would come to our church. You can be seated for a moment if you'd like. When Richard stay, but keep the music going for me. Brother Tony. When Richard Roberts would come to our church, he would often quote his dad, Oral Roberts. And Oral Roberts would make this statement. He said, every day, miracles are coming to you or going past you. Why is that? Because the miracle realm is all around you. Amen. What is it that determines whether that power situation stops with you or passes you by? What you say, what you say.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
I want to read to you out of Colossians chapter two and verse six. And we'll just do a little bit, then we'll let you go for tonight. But Colossians, chapter 2, verse 6. This is the Amplified Classic translation. Colossians, chapter 2, Verse 6. As I said this this week. How about we become more and more skillful at keeping our attention on the faith realm? Amen. Why? Because he shall have whatsoever he saith. And what your attention is on, the realm your attention is on is what you're going to be saying. Can I tell you this? You don't receive what you believe. You receive what you say. Jesus said he shall have whatsoever He. He didn't say, you'll have whatever you believe. Demons believe. Yeah, but he said you'll have whatsoever you say. So when we say our attention is on that other realm, what's that mean? We're going to be talking that other realm. We're going to be saying, what's of that other realm. So when you're off, when you're. When you're off, if symptoms try to attach themselves to you in the middle of the night, you're authorized to stand up and say, in Christ, I'm already healed. In Christ, I'm already whole. Too late. Symptoms. I'm already healed. Why in that realm, my wholeness. And I call it. I call it that way in this realm right now. Right now.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Why? Because the faith realm is the now realm. Colossians, chapter 2, verse 6. Paul is writing, and he says this. As you have therefore received Christ, even Jesus the Lord, so walk. When he uses the word walk, it's talking about your manner of daily life. So walk every day, regulate your lives and conduct, and conduct yourselves in union with and conformity to Him. You're in union with him, so walk like your. You're in Him. Conform to who you are in him. Verse 7. Having the roots of your entire being firmly and deeply planted in him, fixed and founded in him. Being continually built up in him, becoming increasingly more confirmed and established in the faith, just as you were taught and abounding and overflowing in it. Look at this. With thanksgiving. So what's that mean you're thankful to? You're saying, thank you, Father, for all that's mine in him, all that's mine in Christ. I thank you. I thank you. Why? Because the work's done. All that's left is the thanks.
Nancy Dufresne
Yes.
David Dufresne
To receive it. There's no more work to be done for you in Christ. It's all already done. But now it's our job to add our thanks to who we are in Christ and what he made ours in Christ. Now go down to verse nine. For in him the whole fullness of deity, the Godhead continues to dwell in bodily form, giving complete expression of the divine nature. And you are in him made full, having come to fullness of life. How many of you know there's no symptoms in fullness of life? There's no lack in fullness of life. Yeah. And having come to fullness of life in Christ, you too are filled with the Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit and reach full spiritual stature. I'm going to read to you those verses out of the living Bible translation. This again is Colossians, chapter 2, verse 6. Now, if you don't have the living Bible, just listen to how it reads. And now, just as you trusted Christ to save, you trust him too. For each day's problems, live in vital union with Him. What's this talking about fellowship? To live in the faith realm comes from walking in a daily. Mindfulness of him, awareness of him, fellowship with Him. Now, don't use. Don't use the words relationship and fellowship interchangeably. They're not interchangeable words. But people will say they'll use the word relationship and fellowship interchangeably. It's not the same. Relationship is a legal term. Father, daughter, mother, son, wife, husband. Right. All of those are what you become legally. That's your relationship. This couple. Husband, wife, husband, wife, father, son, mother in law, daughter in law. Legal terms, that's relationship. But within those relationships are to be fellowship. And the fellowship is the interaction that goes on within the relationship. The relationship doesn't change, but the fellowship can change momentarily. People who were talking nice to one another in a moment can be talking ugly. The fellowship changed within the relationship. Yeah, but notice here he talks about in verse six. And now, just as you trusted Christ to save, you trust him too. For each day's problems, live in vital union with Him. He's talking about fellowship there. It's vital that we live in fellowship with him. That we don't have broken fellowship within our relationship. Can a marriage have a broken fellowship within their relationship? Certainly they can. You can have all kinds of strife and friction and division going on within a relationship. That doesn't change the relationship. A husband and wife can fuss and fight and have all kinds of conflict within that relationship, but they can't be in fellowship with each other and do that. Fellowship trumps and is really. It's the gold package of that relationship. And there are people that can belong to God for years and enjoy very little fellowship with Him. They can be saved for decades, but really enjoy very little fellowship with Him. But to walk with who you are in Christ, this comes from a place of fellowship. It belongs to your relationship, but it's based on your fellowship as to how much you'll enjoy it. Amen. So it says here, live in vital union with Him. Let your roots grow down in him and draw up nourishment from Him. What's that mean? Can I tell you this? The plan of God for your life is so great that you can't fulfill it apart from Him. It takes us living mindful of him, drawing on him every day. When God said to Brother Copeland, I want you to give $50,000 to Brother Hagin in Himself, he couldn't. Couldn't. So he immediately, with the renewed mind, flipped over into, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. That's what we're to do when we're faced with any opposition. In Christ I'm more than this. In Christ, I've overcome this. Amen. You immediately talk about in Christ when God gives you a plan. Pastors, when he says, that's your building. If you're going to talk about your. Your finances, you'll probably do without it. But if you'll talk about all the supplies in him, that building will come. Amen. Mamas and daddies you believe in for a house, you're going to talk about your own finances. You're probably going to be real slow at getting that thing. But if you'll talk about in Christ I have the home of my desire. Amen. Why? What's that mean? You're bringing him in on it. You're bringing him in on it.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Verse 7. Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from Him. See that you go on growing in the Lord. What's that mean? In your knowledge of who you are in him. Grow in that and become strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with joy and peace. Thanksgiving for all he has done. How do you become a partaker of all you are in Christ? With joy and thanksgiving. With joy and thanksgiving. With joy and thanksgiving. If you're sad, that's because this realm is your attention. If you're joyful, it's because his realm is your attention. The faith realm is your attention. That's why you gotta jerk your flesh into that other realm. You gotta get up, and just.
Guest Speaker
When.
David Dufresne
You feel like crying, you just get up and you just start dancing. Why? You're changing realms. And when you change realms, you change flows. You get out of the sick flow into the whole flow. You get out of the broke flow into the. Into the blessed flow. Amen. So let your lives overflow with joy and thanksgiving for all he has done. How many of you know in Christ is all he has done, all he's made you to be in Christ, that's what he's done. And then let's skip verse eight. Let's go down to verse nine. For in Christ, there is all of God in a human body, so you have everything. When you have Christ and you are filled with God, you are. You are filled with God through your union with Christ, he is the highest ruler with authority over every other power. So what? What does it matter what power's coming against you? The one you're joined to, the one you're in union with, is over every other power. When we talk about symptoms, we're talking about a lower power. When we're talking about I'm holy in Christ, we're talking about a higher power. Amen. The realm you talk about is the realm that will manifest. So we are authorized to talk about, I'm in Christ, and in Christ, there's no pain. In Christ, there's no symptoms. In Christ, there's no sickness. In Christ, there's no unpaid bills. In Christ, there is no lack of wisdom. He is my wisdom. Wisdom. And he makes known to me what I need to know. Amen. Faith talks about the faith realm. I said faith talks about the faith realm. Faith talks about the faith realm. And the faith realm is now. Now. Now. Why? Because there is no time in God's realm. It's all now. I said it's all now.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
So you can change your realm by one thing. Changing what? Your attention is on Boom. I mean, in Philippians, chapter 4, verse 11, the amplified classic, Paul is sitting in prison, and he said this. For I have learned how to be content. And then he describes the Amplified says, what content means I've learned how to be Content where I am not. I am not disturbed, disturbed, not disquieted in whatever state I am. Content doesn't mean content with something. It means content in something. I'm not troubled in it. If something's not of God, I'm not content with it. But when something's not of God, I'm content in it because I've learned how not to be troubled by it. Paul is telling us this great apostle, apostle of faith, had to learn what it meant to hold his attention on the right realm when the wrong realm offered him lots of pain. Him and Silas had just been beaten, thrown in jail, and everything else going on, right? I mean, he had had those kind of beatings and acts. He had had all kinds of beatings. He had had all kinds of imprisonments. And he says, I've learned how to be content, satisfied to the point where I'm not disquieted or disturbed, whatever state I am. What was it he learned how to exit this realm? There was a pastor that years ago, his son had an accident and he died. And the dad went in and found him dead. And the dad raised him from the dead. But when he came back, he came back with. It had caused brain damage, and it had caused him to have some handicap kind of situations. But that son, even years later, they'd be riding down the car, down the road, in the car, and the mother would turn around, say, no, you don't. You come back. Why? Because he says, I've learned how to leave this realm. I've left it before. And the son said, I've learned how to leave it. And they'd keep having to call him back because he knew how to get. He knew how to shoot. Shift to the other realm. We need to learn how to shift to the other realm in the sense of walking out our life here. Amen. How do we do that? By faith. By faith, we talk about the realm we don't see because we know what that realm holds. And we look at that realm by faith because the word describes the realm you don't see. By his stripes, you were healed. He's talking, talking about that realm. Yeah. Amen. My God shall supply all your need according to his riches and glory. By. By Christ Jesus in the Christ realm, in Christ in that realm. Those verses are talking about that realm because you can't see that realm. But the word reveals that realm so that you can, by faith, see it and draw from it and receive of it. What's that mean? For right now? You can in a moment, the Moment you turn your attention is the moment that realm is yours to draw on, to live out of. Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Well, it takes practice and it takes skill. It takes a renewed mind. The unrenewed mind is so entrenched in this realm. All it talks about is this realm. All it thinks about is this realm. All it measures is this realm. But in God's realm, you're already whole. In God's realm, you're already provided for. That home has already been. Provisions are been made for that building. Pastors, God's already made provision for that building, for that property in that realm. Now, how are you going to how are you going to experience what he's made provision for in his realm in this realm by you talking about that realm? Your words transfer that realm to this realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
This week we're going to learn some stuff, aren't we? Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
We all about the now. I said we're all about the now. We've had enough of that waiting business. We've had enough of that waiting business. I'm waiting for my healing. No, I'm whole right now. I'm whole. Why? Because I'm in Christ right now. And there's nothing but wholeness in him. Nothing but wholeness. And I'm provided for right now. Why? Because there's nothing but provision in him. And I'm in him right now. Now, this realm's got to change, and it's got to mimic that realm. It's got to reflect that realm. It's got to manifest that realm. And it's God's power that does it. It's not my words that do it. It's my words that open the door for God's power to do it. But when my words speak, his power manifests in this realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
You're talking about some realm. Every day you're talking about some realm. It might as well be the realm that wins. It might as well be the realm that holds. Your answer. Amen. We're authorized to entertain another realm. We're authorized to be occupied with another realm. The faith realm. Amen. The just shall live by faith. That's how we draw out of that faith realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
And we can always tell what realm we've been living out of by looking at us. My oldest son, Stephen, when he was growing up, he never wanted to be in the house. He always wanted to be outside. And there had to be at least a four Foot hole dug. Had to be. He would dig a hole no matter where it was. He had to dig a hole, fill it up with water and climb in, clothes and all. And when he came in the house, nobody ever had to tell me where he had been. I could tell by looking at him what place he'd been occupying. What am I saying? Your pastor can look by. Tell. Tell by looking at you what place you've been occupying. Yeah. Amen. Let's show one another another realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Father, we thank you today. We thank you for what you have for us this week, Father. We're hungry. We're expecting. We thank you, Father. Stand with me to your feet. Say this. It's so good to be whole. It's so good to be provided for. It's so good to have every need met, every desire met, every want in life met. Because I have a shepherd and I have no want unmet. Every need is met in him. Every want is met in him. And I rejoice that I'm in Christ. I'm in that realm, the faith realm, the God realm, the eternity realm, the wholeness realm, the abundance realm. And that's what I'm occupied with. That's what I'm talking about. And I say that everything of this realm reflects the realm of in Christ, the faith realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
I'm more in him than I am outside of Him. I have all in Him. I have none of him outside of Him. But I choose to be occupied with who I am in Christ.
Congregation
Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
That's why you can walk out of here and say, I'm pain free now. Even though the body may try to have pain. I'm not talking about this realm. I'm talking about the faith realm. I'm talking about the in Christ realm. In Christ, there's no stiffness in Christ, there's no. There's no weakness in Christ. There's no pain in Christ. There's no thing. Such symptoms. And I thank you, Father, that that's my realm. That's my place.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Isn't that easy to talk? Isn't that easy to say, yeah. And be occupied with that place? Because the place you talk about is the place you live.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
You want to do something, David, before we're dismissed?
Worship Leader
Walking in his realm. Walking in his realm.
Guest Speaker
Realm. Say that.
Worship Leader
Walking in his realms. Walking in his realm.
Nancy Dufresne
Live it. Come on.
Worship Leader
Living in his real. Living. Living in Israel. Living in Israel. See it Seeing in his realm. Seeing in his realm.
Guest Speaker
Living.
Worship Leader
Living in his realm. Living in his realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Aren't you glad to know you're not sentenced to this realm? He whom the Son sets free. Free from this realm. Free from this realm. Free from this realm. Now into the faith realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
I live in the faith realm, God's realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
I talk of the faith realm, God's realm.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Look at this. And I'm joyful and thankful. Isn't that what Colossians said? Joyful and thankful. So let's just rejoice and thank him. We thank you, Father. We rejoice, Father, of all that belongs to us in Christ. All that you made ours in Christ. We thank you. That all that holds for us, that's who we are now.
Congregation
That's who we are now.
David Dufresne
That belongs to us now. That's the realm we occupy now. And this realm must line up. This realm must line up with that realm, because that's the realm. That's the realm that we're citizens of.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
What is saying the book of Hebrews, that all these heroes of faith, that they considered themselves strangers and a pilgrim in this land, why this realm? We're straight. We're strangers. This. This our homeland. Amen. His realm is.
Congregation
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Well, you don't want to miss any service. Each one of them will be different, and God has something for us in every single service. And how many of you say, I'm coming hungry. I'm coming hungry. You know, dad, Hagen was with us in 2003, right before he went home to be with the Lord. And we were sitting in the back room having dinner with him, and he reached over and he patted my husband on the hand, and he said, you don't get miracles because you pray for them. You get miracles because you're hungry for them. I'm not saying prayer doesn't play a role, but I'm saying there has to be hunger. There has to be hunger. What's that mean? An expectancy of faith. An expectancy of faith. I'm just not. Okay. Okay. With the way life has been. I'm not living on autopilot. I'm pressing toward. I'm pressing.
Congregation
I'm putting.
David Dufresne
I'm putting pressure on my covenant. I'm putting pressure on who I am in Christ to partake of that. Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
So come to every service expecting we're hungry.
Worship Leader
Amen.
Congregation
Hallelujah.
David Dufresne
Well, you don't want to miss in the morning at 10am but turn to somebody before you're dismissed and say, I'm so thankful I'm in Christ and you can be dismissed. God bless you.
Nancy Dufresne
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Date: May 6, 2025
Host/Speaker: David Dufresne (primary), with contributions from Nancy Dufresne, a Guest Speaker, Worship Leader, and Congregation
Location: High Springs, FL – JTH Crusades
This vibrant episode from the Dufresne Ministries Podcast centers on the theme of "Living in the Faith Realm." David Dufresne leads the evening session, focusing on the spiritual skill of living from God's eternal, completed realm—often referred to as the "faith realm" or "in Christ" realm—rather than the reality of temporary, changeable earthly circumstances. The episode is energetic, heavily interactive, and punctuated by worship, live demonstrations of faith (healing ministry), and compelling testimonies.
This session is both deeply instructional and inspirational, filled with practical ways to make the unseen realities of faith tangible in everyday life. The Dufresnes' teachings emphasize that everything a believer needs is already present and obtainable “in Christ”—if only believers will train themselves to focus on and speak from that realm. The session combines bold teaching, personal testimonies, dynamic ministry, corporate worship, and a call to fresh expectation and spiritual hunger.
Listeners are encouraged to:
The atmosphere is charged with expectancy, urgency, and joy—a call to experience all that God has already provided, today, in the "now" of faith.