Married To Your Miracle | Stephen Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2024 | Wednesday AM

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Married To Your Miracle"

Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Speaker: Stephen Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2024 | Wednesday AM
Date: January 10, 2024

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Main Theme Overview

This episode centers on the essential spiritual principle of becoming “married to your miracle.” Stephen Dufresne explores why many believers do not maintain their healing after receiving prayer—emphasizing that receiving a miracle requires a deep, ongoing, covenantal commitment akin to the commitment in marriage. Drawing from personal stories, scriptural examples, and ministry anecdotes, Stephen illustrates how faith, remembrance, and aggressive pursuit collaborate to make a miracle last.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Greatest Prosperity is Healing

• Opening Insight: Both Stephen and Pastor Johnny reflect on their spiritual focus shifting from preaching prosperity to preaching healing.
  • “The Lord said, the greatest prosperity that you can have is healing. … Money’s not worth much when you’re sick.” (Stephen, 00:54)
  • They discuss how hospitals are full despite medical advances, and assert that true hope is in the power of God to heal.
• Quote:
  • “We’ve seen multimillionaires laid up in hospitals … They’re not enjoying it.” – Pastor Johnny (01:33)

2. Ministry Legacy: Jesus the Healer

• The Dufresnes’ ministry foundation is to proclaim Jesus as the healer, continuing the vision seen by Stephen's father.
• The mission is affirmed: spreading the word of healing worldwide so that “healing power cannot be refuted.” (03:08)

3. Why Do Some Not Walk Away Healed?

• Stephen expresses concern over repeated prayer lines and people not sustaining their miracle.
• Revelation from God:
  • “The Lord said to me, ‘They’re not married to their miracle.’” (Pastor Johnny quoting the Lord, 04:57)
    • Not a lack of faith or effort, but a lack of covenantal attachment.

4. Faith and Healing: The Covenant Analogy

• Stephen likens receiving a miracle to entering the covenant of marriage—committing regardless of fluctuating feelings.
  • “If we say, I’m leaving my old way of being sick behind and I’m forming an attachment to healing … No matter the way I feel.” (Stephen, 10:05)
  • Even when you “don’t feel married” or your spouse is distant, the covenant remains (08:28).
• Memorable Quote:
  • “Healing is not a one night stand. Just because it didn’t work out and you didn’t feel the way you needed...Try again.” (Stephen, 26:59)

5. Scriptural Foundations:

• John 4:46-53 – The nobleman takes Jesus at his word, believes without immediate evidence, and receives his miracle.
  • “He has to take the words that were given to him and cut a covenant on that word.” (Stephen, 14:10)
  • Importance of a “point of contact” (hands laid on) and writing down the date/time of healing (16:17).
• Matthew 8:5-13 – The centurion’s faith: “speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.”
  • “He knew they’re about to cut a covenant to say, you say that word and it’s done.” (Stephen, 34:42)
• Mark 10:9 – “Let no one separate” what God has joined – applied here to your union with healing. (23:14)

6. The Power of Remembrance

• Stephen tells childhood stories to highlight how “monumental moments” stick with us—paralleling how the moment of healing should be memorialized and cherished (17:25–22:16).
• Refers to testimonies (Dad Hagin, Lester Sumrall, Oral Roberts) where holding fast to a specific moment cemented enduring healing.
  • “If he lost the vision of where he came from, he would lose his miracle.” (Stephen, 25:47)

7. Aggressively Honoring and Pursuing Healing

• Healing must not be taken for granted—“healing should be pursued aggressively because it belongs to us.” (31:19)
  • Cherish healing as a “precious gift” and make changes in lifestyle to honor it (33:17).
• Healing’s purpose is not just deliverance, but activation: “Healing puts you to work.” The man at Bethesda pool, Lazarus, the woman with the issue of blood—all had new responsibilities post-miracle. (29:10–29:56)

8. Desire and Expectation

• The desire to see miracles, signs, and wonders is essential: “If I truly desired it, I would have already seen the redwoods.” (42:19)
• Stephen encourages the congregation to desire greater miracles, mentioning Down Syndrome children, limbs growing, resurrection, and more—challenging everyone to believe bigger. (43:23–44:57)

9. Authority Over Sickness

• Sickness is identified as an evil spirit: “You have authority over sickness … treat it like a dog.” (47:25–48:11)
• Reminders to aggressively “demand” and “refuse” to relinquish healing.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Healing as Covenant:
  • “Just because you don’t feel married one day doesn’t mean your covenant is broken.” (Stephen, 08:28)
• Receiving by Faith:
  • “When hands are laid on you, whether you feel something or not, you write it down … because when you lose the connection of that moment, it’s easy to fall out of faith.” (Stephen, 16:17)
• On Honoring Healing:
  • “Healing is a precious gift that God has given you, and it has to be honored.” (Stephen, 31:19)
• On Raising Desire:
  • “If you didn’t have a desire, it’s not important to you … But as a church, we desire signs, wonders, and miracles.” (Stephen, 42:54)
• Authority Statement:
  • “Demand healing in your life. Demand it to happen. You have authority over sickness.” (Stephen, 51:55)
• On Remembrance:
  • “Make this a day that you never forget, because it was a monumental day in your life that you received your healing.” (Stephen, 49:04)
• On Aggressive Faith:
  • “Healing should be pursued aggressively because it belongs to us. But I honor that God has made that available…” (Stephen, 31:19)

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Key Timestamps

• [04:57] – The Lord’s answer on why people don’t keep their healing: "They’re not married to their miracle."
• [10:05] – "I'm leaving my old way of being sick behind, and I'm forming an attachment to healing..."
• [14:05–16:55] – Breakdown of John 4:46–53: the nobleman’s faith and the “point of contact.”
• [16:17] – "Write it down...when you lose that vigor... it's easy to fall out of faith."
• [23:14] – Mark 10:9 and the unbreakable union with healing.
• [26:59] – "Healing is not a one night stand..."
• [29:10–29:56] – Healing activates new responsibilities in life.
• [31:19] – "Healing has to be honored...pursued aggressively."
• [33:17] – Treat and care for your healing as you would cherish a precious gift.
• [42:19] – “I haven’t seen the redwoods… Because I haven’t desired them…” (analogy for spiritual desire)
• [43:23–44:57] – Desiring big miracles (Down Syndrome, limbs restored, resurrection).
• [49:04–50:45] – Prayer for listeners to receive and memorialize their healing.
• [51:55] – "Demand what happens in your life. Demand healing in your life."

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Final Encouragement & Call to Action

Stephen concludes by inviting listeners—near and far—to actively receive and memorialize their healing, citing personal testimony and instructing them to “write down” the date and circumstances of their healing as a spiritual touchstone.

“From this day forward, in Jesus’ name, you declare it. You write this day down, put it on your refrigerator: ‘I was healed on such and such date at this time in Jesus’ mighty name.’” (Stephen, 50:40)

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Summary Table

| Segment | Highlighted Scripture | Message Focus | Key Message/Quote | |----------------------------|---------------------------|---------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | Foundations of Healing | Eph 2:8, Mark 10:9, John 4:46–53 | Healing as covenant, faith’s manifestation | “They’re not married to their miracle.” | | Personal/Ministry Testimony| Testimonies: Hagin, Sumrall, Roberts| Remembrance cementing healing | “Healing puts you to work.” | | Application/Activation | Matthew 8:5–13 | Aggressive possession, honoring miracles | “Healing should be pursued aggressively.” | | Desire & Expectation | Joshua (Numbers 14), various | Expecting greater supernatural acts | “Desire signs, wonders, and miracles.” | | Impartation | N/A | Prayer—point of contact, memorializing | “Make this a day you never forget.” |

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Tone & Delivery

Stephen’s style throughout is lively, anecdotal, sincere, and often humorous, weaving in personal stories and light-hearted comparisons while urging seriousness about spiritual commitment and faith.

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For Listeners: Takeaways

• Treat your miracle like a marriage—make a covenant and refuse to let go, regardless of feelings.
• Remembrance is crucial: mark the moment you receive from God.
• Aggressively pursue, honor, and protect your healing.
• Desire and expectation “open the door” to miracles.
• Healing is not just for relief, but to empower you for fruitful living.

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“I declare you’re healed. When you go home, when you’re on the airplane and you don’t feel like you’re healed, you bring up this time and this moment that you’ve separated, you put aside. I love you guys.”
— Stephen Dufresne, [53:29]

Transcript

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message.

[Stephen]

Well, praise God. Praise God. Are y' all ready for the word this morning? Y' all ready for healing this morning? Receive your miracle this morning? Praise God. Praise God. Well, you may be seated.

[Pastor Johnny]

You may be seated.

[Stephen]

Praise God.

[Pastor Johnny]

I like flowing in the Holy Ghost. Whatever he got going, that's fine with me. I don't care.

[Stephen]

I'll do whatever.

[Pastor Johnny]

Like Pastor Johnny says, man, I'll lay.

[Stephen]

Hands on anybody for anything.

[Pastor Johnny]

I don't care.

[Stephen]

I just don't matter to me. Did y' all bring your Bibles today?

[Pastor Johnny]

Praise God. Praise God. You know, I always thought, you know, when I was young, I thought, man, I'm going to be a prosperity preacher.

[Stephen]

I thought, man, you know, I go.

[Pastor Johnny]

To these churches and stuff and, you know, you could tell they're struggling financially. And I thought, man, I don't want these people to be like that, you know? And I thought, man, I'm gonna be a prosperity preacher. And I've kind of turned into being a healing preacher now. I thought, man, I'll take that, too. And I was thinking about it and I was like, man, I really. And the Lord said, the greatest prosperity that you can have is healing. And I said, that's right. Because money's not worth much when you're sick.

[Stephen]

Is that right?

[Pastor Johnny]

We've seen multimillionaires laid up in hospitals.

[Stephen]

Got all this money, but it's going to hospital.

[Pastor Johnny]

They're not enjoying it.

[Stephen]

So we know that healing is important, man. The last many, many years, that's all.

[Pastor Johnny]

I preached about, just God, put it on top of my heart, you know. And one thing about this ministry, our vision for this ministry, and when you're connected with this ministry, part of it. We preach the word on healing. Our broadcast is Jesus the healer. My dad saw himself hanging off of a satellite with his Bible declaring that Jesus is the healer. And we've continued to do that. So when you give to this ministry and a part of that, you're making that possible. You're making that word. We know today that we can look around and see people are really sick. Y' all been to urgent care.

[Stephen]

I mean, they fool. They fool. They're making a brand new hospital here.

[Pastor Johnny]

Seven stories tall for people that are.

[Stephen]

Sick with all the modern medicines.

[Pastor Johnny]

It really doesn't seem to help. It doesn't really seem to help at all. So what hope do they have? They have the word of God, and it's Our job to proclaim the word of God. We see many times, we see Christians and Muslims, and they'll come and try to dictate who's better, what their word is. And they go back and forth and bicker and fight. But one thing they can never refuse is healing power. They can't fight with that.

[Stephen]

So when you put that in front.

[Pastor Johnny]

Of them, what are you going to argue? You can't. And that's what Jesus did, and it.

[Stephen]

Showed us to do.

[Pastor Johnny]

And he says it will be proven with signs, wonders, and miracles. And so that's why we don't argue with that stuff and get involved and try to say this is better or that's better, but we just show you the proof in the plate. How about that? How about. Well, recently, you know, I've been meditating on people getting healed along with myself. You know, I thought, lord, you have to show me some things about healing more. I need to know some things about healing. I want to know more about it. Because people come up in these healing lines and they're not getting healed, and then they come back again in the same healing line. I'm not putting that down, but I'm saying, how come they're not walking away with what they're after? And I was out working, just like I always am. I'm either in a shower or working, and God's talking to me, and I'm. But. And I'm meditating on these things. And I said, lord, you gotta show me what is it that we're doing wrong, you know, because I'm a firm believer. When hands are laid on you, whether you felt nothing or not, you're healed. And I know people, they get kind of confused when something else is called in their body, and they, well, I'll go up there for that. And I don't have a problem with that. But there's been churches I've gone to for the last over 10 years, and.

[Stephen]

The same people in the same healing room. I'm not against it, but they're there. Is it true? I think we've all done it. I'm not against it. But why are we back up there? What's going on?

[Pastor Johnny]

Obviously, we didn't receive.

[Stephen]

Y' all got your pen or something.

[Pastor Johnny]

To write something down? This is what the Lord said to me. He said, I'm not going to say a long sentence, just short. He said, they're not married to their miracle. That's all he said to me. And I said, okay, let me think about that for a minute.

[Stephen]

Now we Know, marriage is something that.

[Pastor Johnny]

We come to in a covenant. And that covenant is something that we come together. And it shall not be broken under any hardship.

[Stephen]

You know, for better, worse, richer or poorer, you know, health, sickness, whatever.

[Pastor Johnny]

Is that true?

[Stephen]

Now, many times, women, y' all love a good wedding, right? Women love a good wedding. Some of you women still got your wedding dresses. What you gonna do with it? It's just because it was a precious time to you that may not ever be done again. I mean, you may do it again, you know, may use that dress, may not. But men, we go to the rental shop and get our tuxes from Joseph A. Banks. It ain't about that. It's about after the wedding. But women, it's about before the wedding. Ms. Jeanine, I'm sure maybe you still have your wedding dress. You still got it.

[Pastor Johnny]

You still.

[Stephen]

You don't even remember what you wore. Probably. You probably had something. Oh, actually, you a suit guy.

[Pastor Johnny]

You probably do have.

[Stephen]

Man, I don't even got mine. I gave mine away.

[Pastor Johnny]

I don't care about none of that.

[Stephen]

But I know my wife, she still has it.

[Pastor Johnny]

Because it was a moment in time that was a monumental moment. It was precious. And we keep that as a keepsake based on that covenant.

[Stephen]

How many of y' all had children? I mean, we all remember maybe when your child was born. Men mostly remember when you was making the child. Women remember when you give him birth. Amen. Oh, y', all, you can't say that in church.

[Pastor Johnny]

Yeah, you can.

[Stephen]

You can talk about the birds and bees in church. There's no better place than to learn.

[Pastor Johnny]

Birds and the bees.

[Stephen]

And so we know that there is.

[Pastor Johnny]

A covenant cut at that moment, and.

[Stephen]

That moment becomes unforgettable. But after, let's say. Let's imagine. I'm not saying no one is, but.

[Pastor Johnny]

If you've been married 30 times, I'm.

[Stephen]

Not saying you have. But it starts to lose its vision. And you don't remember who you married, where. Well, you know, I think I married so and so here. And it starts to lose. And we see people after they get married, they're not satisfied because that aroma, that excitement has now dwindled and life has now settled in. Is that true? And that's what happens.

[Pastor Johnny]

They like the initial, but it's not carried through when the rubber meets the road.

[Stephen]

Is that true, brother?

[Pastor Johnny]

I.

[Stephen]

And that's what he. That's what the Lord was saying to me. He said, because when their hands. The Bible says, when hands are laid.

[Pastor Johnny]

On you, they shall be healed. Therefore, that's it. Okay, so we have that.

[Stephen]

But what do you feel like when you feel sick? What do you feel?

[Pastor Johnny]

Is the covenant broken because you felt like that?

[Stephen]

How many times have you been married and you felt like being unmarried that day because your spouse was driving you crazy? I speak for myself. There has been times I thought I would not be hurt if I dropped.

[Pastor Johnny]

Her off on the side of the road today.

[Stephen]

It would not hurt my feelings. It would not hurt my feelings at all. And I'm sure she thought I could put a little bit of poison in his food and it'd be all right. I am not the only person in here that thinks that would not hurt my feelings.

[Pastor Johnny]

If you just raptured somewhere.

[Stephen]

Besides here. I mean, we've gotten some heated debates, but my covenant still remains. I know Pastor Debbie said she jumped.

[Pastor Johnny]

Off the back of Pastor Johnny.

[Stephen]

I mean, that didn't feel like marriage then. Boy, she's gonna wreck his clock, man. But that covenant still remains, whether you felt like it or not. Brother Ike is here. I guess his wife is in another.

[Pastor Johnny]

Country on the other side of the world. And your covenant is still connected.

[Stephen]

Even though you can't see her, you can't feel her.

[Pastor Johnny]

It still remains. It still remains.

[Stephen]

And so one of the meanings of.

[Pastor Johnny]

Of marriages, leaving and cleaving, referring to leaving your old family unite to form and attach to your new partner to form a new family.

[Stephen]

Now, if we say I'm leaving my old way of being sick behind and I'm forming an attachment to healing, and I'm cleaving to that. No. No matter the way I feel. And we know most women remember the date. I say date and time they were married.

[Pastor Johnny]

My wife knows it.

[Stephen]

I don't know the exact date. I forget I have to check my deal. But I know it was like around 11:30 in the afternoon. I remember where it was. It was at High Springs Impact Church.

[Pastor Johnny]

They wrangled snakes there. They play with snakes there, you know? You know how they play with snakes? No, I'm just playing.

[Stephen]

Pastor Anderson.

[Pastor Johnny]

They. That's what they do. They tempt the Lord with some snakes. Morgan.

[Stephen]

The reason I said Morgan said their.

[Pastor Johnny]

Church was rumored to play with snakes, you know, and they. So anyways.

[Stephen]

But there was a time I remember I got married. I remember the location.

[Pastor Johnny]

I remember the suit I was wearing. If I asked you, what did you eat a year ago on February 23.

[Stephen]

You ain't gonna remember that because it.

[Pastor Johnny]

Didn'T have any value to it.

[Stephen]

But we have monumental times in our.

[Pastor Johnny]

Life that we have to bring to remembrance.

[Stephen]

And there's times that I don't want.

[Pastor Johnny]

To think about my wife or she made me mad. But that doesn't sever my covenant. Amen.

[Stephen]

So one thing we know is when.

[Pastor Johnny]

We come up in a healing line.

[Stephen]

There has to be a connection that we're about to make, that if we leave and still feel the same thing, it doesn't matter, because I'm cutting a covenant with Jesus. And he said that I was healed. Therefore I am. Whether I feel healed or not, I receive my healing now. I receive it now no matter what I feel like. Because most of the times, if I.

[Pastor Johnny]

Don'T feel healed, then I'm probably not healed. Is that true? And I went up in the healing line, but I'm still not better. So I'm gonna try again.

[Stephen]

And we see that in marriage today.

[Pastor Johnny]

When they don't feel that excitement and that aroma and that romance, then I need to retry. Yeah, you're not for me. And that's what people are doing with healing. They're not coveting the touching of hand to say, I'm healed. That was it. You have got your Bible. Are y' all being helped today? My daughter came in the back and she said, are you gonna preach funny today? I said, I can do that. I can preach funny today. I could do that for you, honey. Let's go to John 4:46. John4. 46. And we know here this is. We all know that this story. So j. So Jesus came again to Galilee where he had made water. Let's go down to verse 47. And when he heard that Jesus had come out of Judah into Galilee, he went to him and employed him to come down and heal his son. For he was at the point of death. And Jesus said, unless your people see. Now, let's go down to 49. The nobleman said, sir, come down before my child dies. Jesus said to him, go your way. Your son lives.

[Stephen]

So the man, what did he do? What did he do?

[Pastor Johnny]

It's not a trick question.

[Stephen]

What did he do? He believed. He believed the words that Jesus spoke. Did he fall out under the power of God? How about warm honey come over his head? His son's dying at home. But he has to take the words that were given to him and cut a covenant on that word and say, I believe those words which he said. And he said. So he came with one intention. The intention is, if I can get.

[Pastor Johnny]

Jesus to come, then my child will be whole.

[Stephen]

What happened?

[Pastor Johnny]

Jesus said, I'm not coming. So he's Got to instantly switch his faith line and say, but Jesus said, then I'll speak the word. I can do that.

[Stephen]

So instead of you thinking, well, if I don't get healed when I'm up.

[Pastor Johnny]

There, then I must have not got healed. That's not true.

[Stephen]

And then. So the man believed the words that he spoke. And what did he do?

[Pastor Johnny]

He went his way. Now this man's walking, we all drive cars, but this man's walking with the uncertainty that his child is living.

[Stephen]

He doesn't know if he's dead or.

[Pastor Johnny]

Not, but he has to live off of while he's walking back.

[Stephen]

He probably has a backpack, sandals on. And maybe, last time I checked, this.

[Pastor Johnny]

Is about a 20 mile walk here.

[Stephen]

Well, if you walk in that, that.

[Pastor Johnny]

Takes a little bit of time. What thoughts you think are through his head after he's left, the prophet of God, he's away from Jesus now that.

[Stephen]

Anointing has left him.

[Pastor Johnny]

He's all on the road by himself.

[Stephen]

He ain't feeling nothing.

[Pastor Johnny]

Y' all just bombarding thoughts on his mind. And he says, no, I believe because he said, go my way. Your son lives, he never got a confirmation. Just faith, just faith. And he went his way, unknowing brother and sister. I'm telling you, when hands are laid on you, whether you feel something or not, at that moment, that date, that time, you write it down.

[Stephen]

Because when you lose that vigor and you lose the connection of that moment, you no longer. It's easy for you to fall out of faith. And when you fall out of faith, your miracle slips away. Because there's no connection to a point.

[Pastor Johnny]

And place and time.

[Stephen]

That's why Jesus said lay hands on them.

[Pastor Johnny]

Because it's a point of contact. It's a point of contact and people.

[Stephen]

That are watching today, you can write it down. Even though we're not there, you can.

[Pastor Johnny]

Lay hands on yourself and receive healing.

[Stephen]

Healing is coming to you right now.

[Pastor Johnny]

Because you're hearing faith this morning.

[Stephen]

Amen.

[Pastor Johnny]

Are y' all being helped?

[Stephen]

So we know there has to be a connection.

[Pastor Johnny]

I was thinking about this last night. I was laying in bed and laughing and boy, I was. You know, when growing up, my mom. Ah, shoot.

[Stephen]

People enjoy it, Nanny.

[Pastor Johnny]

People enjoy it. The first child is always an experiment child.

[Stephen]

Any first children in here, you know, I mean, your mom and dad tried everything out on you. And the rest of the children was raised by their friends, you know, that's just how it is. And I was thinking about this last night. Cause I was thinking about monumental times in my Life. What is some of the turning points in my life. And my mom, she had an idea.

[Pastor Johnny]

To read how to Train a Child the Amish way.

[Stephen]

The Amish way. I don't know what that is, but I knew I was in trouble. I knew things were about to get real bad for me. Usually, you know, when my mom was upset, I mean, she's escalated. And that was the normal tone I got, which is fine.

[Pastor Johnny]

I tell with my kids that way.

[Stephen]

But she was reading this book, and I'm playing in my room, and she.

[Pastor Johnny]

Called me, stephen, come here.

[Stephen]

And so I come up and I.

[Pastor Johnny]

See she's got this book in her lap.

[Stephen]

I remember it's black with gold letter. I mean, I don't remember. I don't forget that book, bro. This book is from the devil. This book is bad deal. How to Raise a Child to Amish way. And I thought, what's going on in here? Why is she not screaming at me? What's going on, man? Something weird going on. And I go, yeah, I know. I'm not that. That's why it was weird. I wasn't getting screamed at. I was like, boy, this is real weird. And she. She put that book down, you know.

[Pastor Johnny]

And really refined, you know. She said, stephen.

[Stephen]

The way you've been.

[Pastor Johnny]

Acting is not acceptable. So.

[Stephen]

You'Re gonna get dealt with. And those friends you've been hanging out with at church, you're done. I thought, what? And I'm starting to cry by now. Why aren't you screaming at me? Why aren't you screaming at me? Because she'd been reading that book. Ain't got to lift my voice.

[Pastor Johnny]

I can talk normal, you know.

[Stephen]

And then she said, ann, go upstairs.

[Pastor Johnny]

And I'm going to deal with you.

[Stephen]

I thought, oh, my God, what's going on? What is going on here? Why is this happening to me, Boy?

[Pastor Johnny]

She.

[Stephen]

Oh, my God, why do I remember this? I mean, it's a monumental moment in my life. And she. I mean, she went upstairs and cleaned my clock, man, I thought, what's going on here? Why is she so nice right now? But mean, I thought, this is the wildest thing I've ever seen. And I made a vow.

[Pastor Johnny]

I'm gonna burn that book.

[Stephen]

It is far better for that book to depart than it stay. Boy, it's far better. It is worth that book to disappear.

[Pastor Johnny]

Cause I can't live with this. This is wild, man. You never know what you're gonna get.

[Stephen]

I remember. I mean, I was probably 10 years old and.

[Pastor Johnny]

Huh? Yeah, it's fine.

[Stephen]

It's all right. And I remember we used to have.

[Pastor Johnny]

At the other church, we had a men or aisle. And man, I remember. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. You know, just go to the bathroom.

[Stephen]

I'm walking out, and she goes, where you going in the middle of service?

[Pastor Johnny]

I.

[Stephen]

10 years, I'm mortified. You're doing it every time. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. Is she. I mean, and I get bathroom. I'm just proud of her. Oh, my gosh. She just embarrassed me so bad. I hate this place. I don't like being here. I don't like this church. Tired of this church. No, no. And it's funny because you remember those monumental moments. I was just thinking about those things. And then my brother, he can ride a scooter out of the sanctuary eating Twizzlers and hit the door on the way out. And it ain't no problem. It's all good thinking. What's going on here? I got the Amish, I got chewed out. I can't go to the bathroom. It ain't worth it. Then my brother comes on. He's like, la, la, la, la, la. Right out the door. It's just, you know, I mean, that's just how it is when you raised in a church, man. Raised in a church. I mean, I went through all the programs. I mean, cleaning programs, everything.

[Pastor Johnny]

Boy, I was in it. But, you know, I turned out all right. It's just been a blessing.

[Stephen]

So I thought, man, it's wild. It's wild.

[Pastor Johnny]

It's good times, good times.

[Stephen]

Anyways, I'm gonna get back to my sermon.

[Pastor Johnny]

I told my daughter, I said, I can make it funny for you. So there you go, Bear.

[Stephen]

You better be blessed.

[Pastor Johnny]

I don't do that Amish stuff on you, kid.

[Stephen]

Good morning, Bear. Get in my bedroom. I'm gonna clean your clock. Y' all remember that Amish book? Some of it from the 90s. Come on now, let me hear you. You remember that Amish book? Boy, that book is from the devil.

[Pastor Johnny]

Man, that's some witchcraft in that thing. That ain't no fun.

[Stephen]

Amen, all.

[Pastor Johnny]

I'll get y' all back now.

[Stephen]

So you have to be married to.

[Pastor Johnny]

Your miracle and mark 10, 9. You don't have to go there.

[Stephen]

But it says, therefore that God has.

[Pastor Johnny]

Joined together, let no one separate. He's talking about marriage here. Don't let anybody separate it. Don't let anything come between this union.

[Stephen]

And this union of healing cannot be separated. But because the devil wants nothing More.

[Pastor Johnny]

Than to strip you of your miracle.

[Stephen]

Being. Being healed is a miracle. It is something that the body cannot.

[Pastor Johnny]

Produce itself and cannot be gotten in this world.

[Stephen]

So what did Jesus do?

[Pastor Johnny]

He said, I have healed you and I have taken sickness away from you. Jesus was. The Bible said he was moved with compassion. He was moved with so much compassion, he tried to lay hands on everybody. And someone pointed this out. I never thought of it. I bet there was times when there was just so many people. He just had to get away, just had to leave people unhealed because he couldn't get them all healed. He just got to go. You know, there's always people, they said, just people taunting him all the time. But he was moved with compassion. And I know that God has put that on this ministry, that we have a compassion for people that are going through that. It's a miserable thing to go through. There's been people. Let's take dad Hagin for example. Dad Hagin has a testimony that we all know, right, we all know that this man was born premature. And the short of it is this man was on a bed. And he said that he would grab those head posts, but at that moment, he was becoming married to his miracle because that was that place of contact where the rest of his life, he said those Simpsons tried to come back, but he had remembrance of where he came from. But if he lost the vision of where he came from, he would lose his miracle. But he remembered when he grabbed those posts and was rubbing the varnish off and when he tried to get up and would fall on the floor because he was so weak. But he declared something that didn't exist into existence. A young man.

[Stephen]

And what he did is that moment in time was forever frozen in his spirit because it was a point of connection that he made that that moment was now a place of redemption in his life for anything that came up against him. He referred back to that time that he told him, thou art healed. Is that true? What about Lester Sumrall? Lester Sumrall was dying of, I believe it was tuberculosis. He was laying on a bed and.

[Pastor Johnny]

The Lord showed him the Bible on one side and what on the other? A coffin on the other. And it was forever ingrained in his vision about what God had done for him. And it transformed his life. And everybody, many people around the world were touched by because of a moment in time that he didn't let go of. Many times we're not married to the miracle that God has provided. And the time that we got hands laid on us. We dismiss it as non valuable to try again because we didn't get the result we wanted.

[Stephen]

When I got married, we had more problems than you could throw at. I mean, we bickered like dogs and cats. But that didn't dismiss my covenant I made with my wife. Just because it looks like it's not going to work out and feel like it's not going to work out, it doesn't matter what it looks like. It matters about where back did you make the connection? I'm not dating my wife. I can't just break up with her. Healing is not a one night stand. Just because it didn't work out and you didn't feel the way you needed.

[Pastor Johnny]

To feel.

[Stephen]

Try again. And what you do, you develop this mental feeling when it was never about that that man had to leave Jesus with no feeling but an expectation that he is healed. So I'm telling you, whether it be cancer, whether it be brain problems, stomach problems, back problems, you are healed. Tonight there will be healing that is.

[Pastor Johnny]

Given out, hands laid on. That's what he said to do.

[Stephen]

I encourage everybody in here that you.

[Pastor Johnny]

Write down and put to remembrance. That was my time that I was healed. That's it.

[Stephen]

So anytime you feel that way, you.

[Pastor Johnny]

Just say, no, I was healed back.

[Stephen]

At that point, back at that time on that day and I was wearing these clothes because you have to have something to ground to. And if you don't have anything to ground to, then you can't proclaim your miracle. Amen.

[Pastor Johnny]

Are y' all being blessed today?

[Stephen]

We know that Oral Roberts had the same problem.

[Pastor Johnny]

I think he was tuberculosis.

[Stephen]

Two almost killed him.

[Pastor Johnny]

But he had a moment of remembrance that changed the world forever. Changed the outcome of people's lives around the world changed because he never lost that moment that God healed him. One thing I want to see people do is walk away with their miracle. One thing the Lord told, told me this or he showed me this, excuse me. One thing that healing does is it puts you to work. You say, what do you mean by that? Let's take the man at the pool of Bethesda. He had been crippled, what, 30 something years. Jesus heals him the next day. What do you think he's got to do? He's got to go get a job. Think about that Lazarus, he's dead.

[Stephen]

He comes out of the grave that night. I'm sure they're all having a good time. And the girls go, hey, guess what?

[Pastor Johnny]

Tomorrow you gonna go back to work.

[Stephen]

We don't ever talk about that after healing, do we? Healing puts you to work. Amen. The woman with the issue of blood, she can go back into the workforce. Some people don't want to work, so therefore they disqualify themselves for healing. You can go to Proverbs, you can go all through that boy. He says, get to work. Put your hand at something. Healing puts you to work.

[Pastor Johnny]

You can write that down if you want. If not, forget.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It.

[Stephen]

Don't matter to me. So it's important that we honor that location. And sometimes we can just come up.

[Pastor Johnny]

And act like it's another healing line. And I've been guilty of it myself, but I realized something's wrong here, something's not correct.

[Stephen]

So we have to put such a.

[Pastor Johnny]

Value on that place. There was a time that we were back here and Brother Hagin laid his hands on me. I didn't feel anything, but I remember that time. It was so precious to me. When I was a child, Lester Sumrall laid his hands on me. That's precious to me. I don't really remember it too much. I remember seeing pictures, but I realize that's an honor to have it and I value that place, you know, and so it's important that we have that. Are y' all being helped today? Are y' all being blessed? Let's go to Matthew 8. 5. Almost done. Matthew 8. 5. I'm going to say this healing. Write this down. If you take notes. Healing has to be honored. Healing is a precious gift that God has given you, and it has to be honored. Amen. If someone gave me a precious gift, I place it in a very secure location. I cherish it. It's precious to me. And healing can become something we believe is owed to us. You know, not being mean, but it can become. I'm a Christian, I'm a tither, you know, but it's a precious thing. Now you. Now, one thing about pursuing healing is I believe you pursue it aggressively. Healing should be pursued aggressively because it belongs to us. But I honor that God has made that available for me, that I can walk for the rest of my life in complete health. But I chase it aggressively. I don't pigeon toe around it because he gave it to me. I cherish it. But I possess it hardly. So anytime you come after healing, many times we believe. I know y' all probably been there too, but maybe you don't deserve to be healed. We've all maybe felt a little bit of that. We can tell other people about it and we believe they should have it, but we dismiss ourselves. I've been guilty of it myself. I thought, man, maybe I don't, you know? And I think these thoughts, and I thought, no, that ain't right. But I'm not aggressive to myself as I am with you, and that ain't right. And I thought, I need to be aggressive with myself because I'm not gonna put up with that. Amen. So healing has to be honored. What about treating your body right, not.

[Stephen]

Doing the things you've been doing? When you take something precious, you put.

[Pastor Johnny]

It in a secure location. Healing is in your body, and it should be cared for.

[Stephen]

And you care for it by taking care of your body, whether eating right, exercising. It says that your body is a temple. And so when God has given me.

[Pastor Johnny]

Something, I honor it. If someone gives me something, I value that. Brother Jesse, he bought me a cuckoo clock. That's so cool. I mean, think about that. Brother Jesse bought me a cuckoo clock. And we put it in the front of our home where I can see it every day. Because I thought. Because I value that. Because that man bought that for me. He didn't got to do that. But it's valuable to me, and I'm grateful for every time I see it that that man would do that for me. But healing has to be treated the same way. I received that healing, and I accept it in my life, and I honor it. It's a blessing to be healed. Are y' all there? Okay. And now, when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, pleading with him, saying, lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented. And Jesus said, I will come and heal him.

[Stephen]

Now think about this.

[Pastor Johnny]

This is reverse of the last man we talked about. Think about that. The other man, he said, I ain't coming.

[Stephen]

But his.

[Pastor Johnny]

He said, I'm coming.

[Stephen]

And the man says, don't come. The centurion answered and said, lord, I.

[Pastor Johnny]

Am not worthy that you shall come under my word. But what? Speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. He knew they're about to cut a covenant to say, you say that word and it's done. It's done. And that's where. When you become before a preacher and me and my wife were holding hands and we set our vows, we cut that thing that we can no longer be separated under any circumstance besides death. No matter if I feel like being married to her or not, whether she takes me off or makes me mad, it still belongs. Whether I feel like it or not, it belongs to me. She belongs to me. That's the covenant we cut. And healing belongs to every one of you. And you have to make a place in your life to prepare yourself to say, tonight, I'm talking about today. Tonight, when hands are laid on me, I will be healed. Maybe you won't feel any physical feeling of it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you feel like. Because we now, because he said, lay hands on the sick and what they shall, did he say, maybe they shall be healed.

[Stephen]

But it takes you and me that.

[Pastor Johnny]

Are receiving to say, this night is the night it was done. They bank ulcers. Amen.

[Stephen]

And this man said to him, he.

[Pastor Johnny]

Said, you shall come under my roof and speak the word only, and my servant shall be heard. For also I am a man under authority.

[Stephen]

This man knew a location.

[Pastor Johnny]

He understood the value of a place and time. When things were told, having soldiers under.

[Stephen]

Me, I say to this one, go. And he goes. And to another comes. And he comes. And my servant doeth this.

[Pastor Johnny]

And he does it.

[Stephen]

And Jesus heard it, and he marveled and said, those who follow assuredly.

[Pastor Johnny]

I say unto you, I have not found such great faith. No, not in Israel. Verse 13. And Jesus said to the centurion, go your way. And as you have believed, be it done unto you.

[Stephen]

Now we know this man was written in the word of God for all.

[Pastor Johnny]

Time because he made a covenant with. With what was about to happen.

[Stephen]

And he didn't let it slip for.

[Pastor Johnny]

Him, but he honored that place and he cut it. And therefore his servant was healed and written in this book for all time. So it is important that we receive that same thing for us.

[Stephen]

Are y' all being helped today? We know that there was a place.

[Pastor Johnny]

We know that it takes aggression and healing to get it. You can't step around healing. You have to receive it. Joshua, they were going to a new land, and they said, man, that place is filled with giants. But, man, it's flowing with milk and honey. And he said, let us go possess it at once. At when? At once. Because it takes an aggression to get into that flow. It takes some aggression to not give up on the miracle in the moment that you set your line to. In that moment. He said, let us go possess it at once. That moment he would never forget, because he was now saying something that would change the face of their people forever.

[Stephen]

And so it's important. And we know the fig tree became.

[Pastor Johnny]

A place where it was a monumental location. He cursed it. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. They didn't feel no anointing. But they came back a couple days later, and that thing was shriveled up, but they never forgot that tree because there was a place in time. You know, I remember when my children were born. I mean, I do. I remember being in that hospital gown. I remember because it was a monumental moment in my life. I remember the day my dad passed away, how crazy that was. I remember it because it was a monumental day in my life. And what I'm telling you, that God told me, you have to make that healing with that moment. It touches that. That's a monumental day for you. It's a monumental moment that you can go back to. When you're in the middle of the night and that thing's trying to get back on you, you say, no, I.

[Stephen]

Was healed on January 10, on 2024.

[Pastor Johnny]

At X time of the day, because I received it. Then you have to treat it like that.

[Stephen]

And if you dismiss that, then you lose it because you don't feel that way. You don't feel healed. There's times I don't feel healed at all. I feel like the devil. The more I prayed, the worse I got. But that's not what the word of God tells me. It says, you are healed. You are healed. And sometimes it takes some pacing around, walking around to get up. You know, there's times when you need to get out of bed and declare some things and declare things and say, I'm not staying in this place. I'm getting up. Man, if I was in a wheelchair.

[Pastor Johnny]

I'm getting out of this thing. Make yourself uncomfortable.

[Stephen]

Sickness requires comfort.

[Pastor Johnny]

Sickness requires compliancy. You ever take the skin off the back of your heel wearing new shoes or something, boy? Blister up.

[Stephen]

All of a sudden, you learn how.

[Pastor Johnny]

To not agitate that real quick.

[Stephen]

Y' all cut yourself.

[Pastor Johnny]

All of a sudden, you learn how to put your socks on with your pinkies. You know, I mean, you're like, hey. But you instantly start transforming to sickness, to that deal. So you have to bring something back to remembrance when it tries to get back on. And in the midst of that, in the middle of the night, whatever it may be, we're all is sitting here. We're doing pretty good, y' all here. But there's people that may be watching, and there's people that are coming to this ministry that there's going to be beds rolled in. And they got to have that moment in time where we know that Brother Copeland and Brother Richard tell about Oral Roberts would get up on them beds with people full of cancer. And he said he jumped on top of a person, a lady. And that lady spit out a cancerous tumor on the floor. He said it looked like a jellyfish. That was a place that Brother Copeland remembered, and it transformed his life because he saw that, and it put something in him to be the man that he is today. And all of us can never lose those places.

[Stephen]

And you say, well, I've never seen the things that I want to see.

[Pastor Johnny]

I haven't seen the things I want to see either. I was raised in a church. We talked about miracles. We talked about this stuff. We. But I haven't seen the things I've wanted to see. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Stephen]

That means we keep knocking on the door. There's a door of miracles that we need to knock on that we have to desire these things, to say, we believe it. We desire it. I want to see it. I want to see it. We can all say, let's take the redwoods.

[Pastor Johnny]

Some of y' all seen the redwoods? I've not seen it. You know why? Because I haven't desired it that much. If I did, I would already saw them. Because people have lost the vigor. They've lost the vision of signs, wonders, and miracles. That's why they're not seeing it. But it's the people. There's people.

[Stephen]

I mean, my kids, when they want.

[Pastor Johnny]

To go to Disney, my God, man, they do anything to get there, they hitch a ride.

[Stephen]

If they got to get there, they.

[Pastor Johnny]

Gonna get to see what they want to see. These kids love that thing, and they go all the time.

[Stephen]

But if they didn't have a desire.

[Pastor Johnny]

I ain't gonna take em.

[Stephen]

It's not important to them. And as this church. I know, for this church, we desire.

[Pastor Johnny]

Signs, wonders, and miracles.

[Stephen]

How about arms growing out, legs growing out? Okay, next one. How about people coming back from the dead that need to come back from the dead? Some of them don't need to come back. Amen. Some of them don't need to come back. But some of them I believe the.

[Pastor Johnny]

Lord put this in my heart. Let's do this. Kids with down syndrome. I believe it. Well, they say they're missing something. That's all right. God can fix that. We receive that.

[Stephen]

I desire those things. I desire to see those things.

[Pastor Johnny]

Where? Where?

[Stephen]

You know how all their faces kind.

[Pastor Johnny]

Of look the same? And that face just transformed.

[Stephen]

Jesus was praying over a man, and.

[Pastor Johnny]

One hand was completely crippled like this. He couldn't move it. And he says it was withered. Think about that. A hand you've never used in your life. It looked probably like A skeleton. And this hand is going to be crazy big because that's the only one you get to use.

[Stephen]

I'm sure his arm, boy, he pull.

[Pastor Johnny]

Pull, pull, pull some iron, because that's.

[Stephen]

All he ever used.

[Pastor Johnny]

He just used this eye and all that. And he says that Jesus. And the hand was just like the other one. Not just straight, but it filled. It turned into something that it wasn't.

[Stephen]

And so when I see in my.

[Pastor Johnny]

Spirit, these young, these people with down syndrome, their faces instantly start to transform. I believe it. I believe.

[Stephen]

Why not? Why not believe it? What do we got to lose? Well, I don't want to be held accountable. Then forget it for you, forget it. I don't really care. Because I don't want to get to.

[Pastor Johnny]

The end of my life and say, you know what? I wish I would have believed it. I wish I would have stepped on that door frame and knocked on the door and beat that door for miracles, signs and wonders for this church. I believe it.

[Stephen]

Brothers and sisters, have y' all been helped today?

[Pastor Johnny]

I believe that God is doing great things. I believe that everything that Jesus saw and did that we'll see it.

[Stephen]

My dad said.

[Pastor Johnny]

He was telling God, you know, because it looked like, you know, things or people say in the Rapture. And he'll say, if this is the big bang, I'm going to the head office when I get to heaven. Because this ain't what you told us it was going to look like. And I agree with that, because we have right now, we see it, whether it's Palestine, Jews, women being, whatever, there's such a confusion. But nobody can argue with miracles. They can't argue with it. I don't know what Allah's doing, but I know what my God's doing. I don't know what he be doing.

[Stephen]

But I know they can't fight with that. They say, boy, these people are coming.

[Pastor Johnny]

Out telling you it transforms the world. Signs, wonders and miracles transform the world.

[Stephen]

The word of God transforms the world.

[Pastor Johnny]

It says that this is life, life, life. I declare life in my body. I refuse. I tell, man, I've had stuff going at certain times that will go on in my body, and I believe God and nothing changes. But I still stand strong and say, you know what? I refuse. I refuse to stand by what I see and what I feel. Because there's times, man, like I said.

[Stephen]

You could be married and don't feel.

[Pastor Johnny]

Married, but it doesn't disconnect it. Because I always look back and say, I married my wife 17 years ago, and that's important to me. I value that thing. Have y' all been helped Today? We know that Jesus was in a boat, and he's in this boat. And the storm comes up, and he's going around, and the disciples are screaming and hollering, and they said, don't you. You know we're going to die if you don't do something. He says, calm down. Everything's going to be all right. And he gets up and demands. He demands that it be changed. Demands it. And he says, I'm leaving you this power that you demand these things. He says, you cast out demons. Cancer is an evil spirit. Down syndrome, evil spirit. You say, well, that's not. I don't know what the microscope looks like. I don't know that. But I know what Jesus said.

[Stephen]

And there was a boy that said.

[Pastor Johnny]

That he would throw himself into the fire, have seizures, throw himself into the water, about drowned himself. And the dad was so torn out, he don't know what to do. And Jesus said, do you believe? He said, I believe, but you got to have my unbelief because this kid is right here throwing a convulsion on the floor. And he said, if you can believe. And he cast that devil out of him. Sickness is an evil spirit. You have to treat it like that. You have to talk to it like a dog. It tries to get inside of you, and you have to treat it like a dog. And he says. And then they said, boy, you just killed that kid. He said, I ain't kill that kid. He's alive. And then he came back to life. Dad Hagen. I mean, Lester Smith Wigglesworth pulled a man out of a coffin, put him.

[Stephen]

On his back and went down the road. Think about this.

[Pastor Johnny]

He had a time and place where he made a connection with something that he never forgot, what God endowed him with, whether he looked like it or not. And, you know, he had hearing problems. He had hearing problems. But he said, I never let that get in my way. I believe. And the man had some of the most mighty miracles that the world has ever seen. Have y' all been helped today? Go ahead and stand up. Tony, if you would come. You know, put me on camera, too. Anybody that is watching, maybe, obviously you're not here. If you are, you're probably out in the lobby. You can come back inside.

[Stephen]

But if.

[Pastor Johnny]

If you're not here today, obviously you're not. And you say, brother Stephen, will you agree with me that healing flows to my body? I want to pray with you. Let's. Let's make This a day that you never forget, that you never forget this day, because it was a monumental day in your life that you received your healing. Whether you felt something or not, you go back to that time and bring it before the Lord and declare, I was healed then. So I want you to lay your hands on your neck or your face, whatever it is, and I'm going to pray for you. Father, in the name of Jesus, I reach out and touch them through the airwaves, through the camera, and I call.

[Stephen]

You healed in the name of Jesus. Your head is healed, your face is healed. Your ears are healed, your brain is healed. Your sinuses are healed. Your neck is healed. Your back is healed. Your arms are healed. Your thighs are healed. Your stomach is healed, your legs, your knees, your arthritis, cancer's gone, whatever it is, headaches, migraines, I curse it in the name of Jesus to leave your body now in Jesus name, and you are healed. From this day forward, in Jesus name, you declare it. You write this day down, put it on your refrigerator. I was healed on such and such.

[Pastor Johnny]

Date at this time in Jesus mighty.

[Stephen]

Name, I receive it, I declare it.

[Pastor Johnny]

And I'm healed in Jesus name. Hallelujah. You know, Brother Ike was here maybe two or three years ago, and I was dealing with something, and he called something out as he was ministering, and he prayed for me. And I didn't feel nothing. I still hurtin', but I bring that before the Lord. And I said, well, Brother Ike prayed for me. That's when I received my healing. And that was years ago. And some of that tried to flare up again. But I remember that place. And I said, when Brother Ike, I remember what he was wearing. I remember where I was. I remember how he touched my face. And I don't forget that place because that's when I received. So I encourage you tonight, whether it be Pastor Nancy, different ministers, that you come prepared to say, that's it for me. I don't have to go back up in the line because I was healed. You don't see what happens. Demand what happens.

[Stephen]

Demand what happens in your life. Demand healing in your life. Demand it to happen. You have authority over sickness. You have authority over the sink. Have y' all been blessed today? Hasn't the sound team done a good job?

[Pastor Johnny]

How about.

[Stephen]

How about the volunteers? Are they gonna do? I mean, praise God for the volunteers. These people, I mean, they here till 12 o' clock at night, y' all putting toilet paper, cleaning toilets for y' all to enjoy. They doing everything, man. It's just Amazing what they do. And our staff. Can. Can we grab our staff, man, they just something else that the. These staff.

[Pastor Johnny]

I tell you what, they're the best in the world.

[Stephen]

There's no corporate ladder here.

[Pastor Johnny]

They don't care about none of that. They want to see people healed, born.

[Stephen]

Again, get the word out.

[Pastor Johnny]

That's what they care about. I mean.

[Stephen]

And how about the ministers? Y' all been blessed by the food. Have y' all been blessed by that? Praise God. I'm sure y'. All. Y' all have developed some good relationships with each other. It made a place for y' all to come and fellowship and get to.

[Pastor Johnny]

Know each other and make lifelong connections. That's precious, isn't it? We like to do that for y' all because it's just such a precious thing. And all the ministers this week have just been. Been just amazing. And what an honor to preach to y' all this morning and preach the word of God. You're healed. You're healed. I declare you're healed. Declare it in your own life.

[Stephen]

When you go home, when you're on the airplane and you don't feel like.

[Pastor Johnny]

You'Re healed, you bring up this time and this moment that you've separated, you put aside. I love you guys. Thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

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