Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Moving Deeper In The Spirit | Nancy Dufresne | Sunday PM | Holy Ghost Meetings 2022

Host: Dufresne Ministries
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Date: January 11, 2022

Overview of the Episode

In this Holy Ghost Meeting, Pastor Nancy Dufresne dives into the theme of “Moving Deeper in the Spirit.” She challenges congregations and leaders to become skillful in flowing with the Holy Spirit rather than prioritizing numbers and visible growth. Through storytelling, prophetic exhortation, and direct spiritual instruction, Nancy unpacks the importance of strong local churches “flowing with the Word and the Spirit,” spiritual maturity, the dangers of focusing on outward metrics, and responding to the deeper things of God.

The episode is characterized by a passionate, practical, and sometimes humorous tone, incorporating personal anecdotes, references to spiritual mentors, prophetic words, and a demonstration of healing ministry.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Importance of Flowing with the Spirit

• Skill in the Spirit:
  Nancy emphasizes the difference between “having a move of the Spirit” and learning to be skillful with it, drawing from the wisdom of "Dad" Hagin (Kenneth E. Hagin).

  ”It's not about being afraid of a Holy Ghost service or the Spirit. It's us becoming skillful and recognizing his moves.” (02:15)

• Local Church as the Focus:
  God is raising up strong local churches that "move with the Word and the Spirit" — not just big conventions.

  “The great moves of God are not going to happen in your big conventions and auditoriums. They're going to happen in the local churches.” (15:00)

2. Testimony: Ed Dufresne’s Encounter

• Story of Salvation:
  Nancy shares how her husband Ed, a “Catholic boy,” was invited to church and witnessed a powerful move of the Spirit through tongues and prophecy, which led him to salvation.

  “But when the Holy Spirit gets his way, hungry hearts respond.” (05:51)

• Draw of the Spirit:
  She underscores that demonstrations of the Spirit, not restraint, draw people to Jesus.

3. Experiencing ‘the Colorful Side of God’

• Nancy relates experiences of supernatural demonstrations — people being frozen in positions during services — and how these are simply “the colorful side of God.”

  ”God is not boring. And if we will move with him and his spirit, I tell you what, you talk about a fun ride.” (08:30)

• Joy in Sacrifice:
  Sacrifice in following God is not loss, but an exchange — giving up little for an abundance.

  ”Don’t overemphasize what you’re giving up.” (09:20)

4. The Necessity for Depth, Not Just Numbers

• Vision for Word & Spirit Churches:
  Jesus: “I’m raising up Word and Spirit churches to put my harvest in, because if I put them in a flesh church… I’ll lose my harvest.” (18:00)
• Warning Against Shallow Growth:
  Churches that focus only on emotional engagement (“the flesh”) keep people in spiritual infancy.
  • Emphasis: Churches must mature others into “the fullness of Christ.”
• Miracles as the ‘Dinner Bell’ for the Lost:

  ”Miracles are the dinner bell drawing the lost.” (26:30)

5. Becoming Skillful and Moving to Deeper Things

• Spiritual ‘Household’:
  Not all rooms are the entryway; believers are invited to move into "deeper rooms"—depths of faith, anointing, miracle power.

  “There’s a household of faith for you to move in and enjoy and recline on all the furnishings of all the provision that’s in that household of faith.” (31:00)

• On Congregations Staying Small:
  God often keeps Word and Spirit churches small to cultivate depth and unity before expanding.

  "It’s difficult to move a larger number of people into a deeper flow." (33:19)

• Analogy: Like universities, not everyone is willing to go deeper; many are content to remain “in grade school.”

6. Spiritual Leadership and Growing Together

• “Older children” help the “new” — in church life, spiritually mature members are responsible for drawing new members into the flow of the Spirit.

  "The skill is in the pew, not just from the pulpit." (41:00)

• Warning Against Measuring by Numbers:
  Depth—not visible size—is true spiritual enlargement.

  ”Growth of numbers is not always enlargement. Depth is enlargement.” (39:49)

• Analogy of Shallow-Rooted Trees:
  Shallow growth leaves churches vulnerable.

7. Prophetic Exhortations and Directions

• Nancy shares words given to her by the Lord:
  • Don’t be concerned about numbers—be occupied with moving deeper with the Spirit.
  • Many miss God’s movement being distracted by natural metrics (e.g., attendance).
  • True success is measured by spiritual depth and obedience, not external validation.

  "Man doesn't see as God sees. Men who measure success as numbers are bound to the natural realm." (42:32)

8. Valuing Every Place of Service

• No role is beneath a believer, echoing Ed Dufresne’s willingness to clean toilets when saved.

  “If it’s not beneath the Holy Spirit to be called the Helper, it’s not beneath us to help.” (54:00)

• Serving faithfully, even in unseen ways, positions people for greater spiritual influence.

9. Ministering Healing and Demonstrating the Gifts

• Prophetic word about God giving “new hearts” and “new parts for hearts” in the congregation (57:00).
• Nancy ministers to those with heart conditions, referencing stories of supernatural healing.
• The role of angels in healing (61:03).

  "It's not about what we feel or don't feel." (63:20)

10. Impartation, Unity & The Prophetic Office

• Hands are laid on Canadian ministers—prayer for impartation and blessing (64:51).
• Exhortation for pastors to steward their “voice,” not letting others use it for their own agendas (70:35).
• Pastor Noel prophesies: The necessity for “seers” (prophetic voices) to come to the forefront—unity and a “corporate house” being built in the Spirit (74:17–76:09).
• A prophetic word about restored rooms or mantles in the Spirit, vacated by previous generations, now to be occupied by the current one.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the draw and power of the Spirit:
  “But when the Holy Spirit gets his way, hungry hearts respond.” – Nancy Dufresne (05:51)

• On the “colorful side of God”:
  “You're just seeing the colorful side of God. God is not boring. And if we will move with him and his spirit, I tell you what, you talk about a fun ride.” – Nancy Dufresne quoting Mom Goodwin (08:28)

• On the priority for local churches:
  “God can't have a move without you. He can plan a move, desire a move, but we all have to get in on it.” – Nancy Dufresne (16:30)

• On not measuring by numbers:
  “Growth of numbers is not always enlargement. Depth is enlargement.” – Nancy Dufresne (39:49)

• On unity and the corporate house:
  “I see unity coming to congregations… leadership of the Spirit in front… forming a spiritual house, not just the individual being a house, but the body united as one built up a spiritual house for God’s glory in manifest way, in a corporate wave moving over the congregation…” – Pastor J (74:17)

• On serving in any role:
  “If it's not beneath the Holy Spirit to be called the Helper, it's not beneath us to be a helper to the children's department, to the usher's department, to any. It's not beneath us. It is an honor…” – Nancy Dufresne (54:00)

• On following the inward witness:
  "Following the Spirit is like pulling the magician’s handkerchief. You pull the corner and a whole other length of it comes out. The more you pull, the more comes." (83:24)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Ed Dufresne’s salvation testimony: 03:00 – 08:00
• The “Colorful Side of God” and joy in the Spirit: 08:00 – 12:00
• God raising up Word and Spirit churches: 15:00 – 21:00
• Deeper rooms and “the household of faith”: 30:00 – 36:00
• On church size/number vs. spiritual depth: 39:00 – 43:00
• Practical service and humility: 54:00 – 56:00
• Word of knowledge & healing ministry (new hearts): 57:00 – 64:00
• Corporate impartation and prophetic ministry: 64:00 – 76:00
• Teaching on following the Spirit/inward witness: 83:24 – 86:00

Conclusion and Takeaways

• The Spirit of God is longing for churches and believers who desire to move beyond basics and into greater depths with Him.
• Spiritual success is measured by growth in faith, unity, and the move of the Spirit—not by numerical size or outward appearance.
• Miracles, gifts, and demonstrations of the Spirit are not to be hidden but embraced and stewarded skillfully in church life.
• Every believer, regardless of public visibility, holds value in God’s family.
• Prophetic exhortation calls for the restoration of spiritual mantles and unity among believers, positioning this generation to surpass the spiritual achievements of those before.
• Practical encouragement for both ministers and congregations: Seek depth, honor the Spirit’s movements, and respond with faith and hunger.

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