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Moving Deeper In The Spirit | Nancy Dufresne | Sunday PM | Holy Ghost Meetings 2022
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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Hallelujah. My, my, my. The last three services, four services, actually, with Brother Copeland here, they were top shelf, top shelf. Hallelujah. And I'm so glad to say I got to be here. Amen. And I believe those are services we'll look back on and we'll say, wow, we were there. It was interesting because in looking to what my part in this is and what direction God would have me to take, he pointed me back to some things. And I'm glad to revisit them because it helps clarify where we're going. Often dad Hagin would say that others would ask him. Ministers would ask him, what is God doing in this time? And he said, God is building strong local churches that flow with the Word and the Spirit. He would warn us, and he would say, many wouldn't recognize the Holy Ghost if he came down the street wearing a red hat. And others would say, well, having what they would call moves of the spirit repels certain people from attending. Or, you know, visitors would come. I would have, in years past, a particular person that they brought a lot of people to visit. They would call me on Saturday night and say, pastor Nancy, I'm bringing a visitor tomorrow. That was code for behave yourself. So I would thank. I would say, thank you. Now, I know, And I want you to know the Holy Spirit is laboring to bring in the great harvest through the church. He loves the harvest more than you, So don't accuse him ever of hurting the harvest if he gets his way in a service. Amen. He's been working a lot longer to bring the church to the place where the Father's harvest could be reaped, his seed sown, harvested. Amen. It's not about being afraid of a Holy Ghost service or the Spirit. It's us becoming skillful and recognizing his moves. Because I guarantee you, that's what draws. My husband was invited for a year and a half by Billy Frazier, who was a co worker with him on his construction job. And he would invite my husband to church every Sunday. And Ed would tell him, no colorful language, very rainbow language, all colors of the spectrum, and then call them names. Because Billy Frazier would say, I love you. No, that don't work. No, don't be doing that. But when you're raised in a home, void of it, you take things twisted, you see. And so after a year and a half of Billy Frazier dogging him to go with him, to church. Ed said, if I go with you once, will you leave me alone? He said, you got a deal. And so the pastor knew that Billy Frazier was bringing a Catholic boy, because that was a good catch in that full gospel church to have a Catholic boy come. And so the pastor was preaching. Ed said he sounded like an auctioneer. I'm not going to try to do it the way Ed would do it, because Ed would try to do it and then start coughing. He'd try to put out a bunch of air and suck it in and then end up choking. So I'm not going to try that and demonstrate that. But you've heard an all. You have all heard an auctioneer. And. And so he was preaching and talking about salvation. And then right in the middle of the service, a Filipino woman stood up and started speaking in tongues. And Ed said, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up. He had never heard of the Holy Spirit, never seen a demonstration of a gift of the Spirit.
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But when the Holy Spirit gets his way, hungry hearts respond. And Ed said, billy Frazier's head dropped. The pastor's head dropped because they let this Catholic boy off the hook. Now, you know, they thought he jumped the hook when that Filipino woman stood up and spoke in tongues. And then her husband jumped up right beside and started prophesying and said, today is the day of salvation, and went on with the message. And he said, by the time they were done, I was ready to run to that altar because the Holy Spirit is a performer. And if we will be skillful in recognizing what he wants to do and cooperating with him, I tell you what, you talk about drawing all men unto Jesus. Amen. And so the pastor kept preaching. And Ed said, I was waiting for him to be quiet so I could do what those people said, those speaking in tongues and interpreting, because they gave him what he came for. By the Spirit. By the Spirit. And so it's not about putting the Holy Ghost in the back room so we don't offend people. It's about becoming skillful at recognizing how he moves and going there with him. There was a man that. I never saw his ministry. In fact, I was only in a couple of his services, and I never saw a demonstration that was described by so many others. But there would be all kinds of things, very unusual, unique things that would happen in his services. And it was almost. People would do unusual things.
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And he went back because mom and dad Goodwin were his pastor. And he went back to Mom Goodwin. Dad Goodwin had already gone home to be with the Lord. And he had been their associate for years. And he started telling her some of the things that were happening in his services, that people would get frozen in a position that no man could hold for as long as they held it. And they would stand there, sometimes for hours in an unusual position. That a person, you know, maybe an athlete could do certain things, but someone you know that skill, you'd have to be, like, world class to do the things that they did. And he went back and he said to Mom Goodwin, he said, what about this? And she said, oh, son, you're just seeing the colorful sight of God. God is not boring. And if we will move with him and his spirit. I tell you what, you talk about a fun ride. And I so appreciated her wording that she said, you're seeing the colorful side of God. And I know this, that children. Dad Hagin used to say this. I heard him say this once. And he said, you people need to learn to be a kid with a kid. In other words, don't make them boring like you. Learn to have fun with people. Don't be so religious that fun's off your radar. And if there's one thing that parents do with their children, they have fun with them. They poke a little bit at them and taunt them a little bit. If we'll follow the Holy Ghost, the Father will be able to bring us into a flow of fun as we run our race. Amen. The joy of belonging to him, the joy of running our race with him, does not turn you sad and sorrowful and just full of sacrifices. Listen, there is such a thing as sacrificial. A sacrificial way to live. But let me tell you what the sacrifice is. It's like if you needed a car and the car you wanted was, let's say, a $50,000 car. And for some reason, something happens, and the car dealer says, yeah, it's $50,000, but I'll let you have it for $5,000. Well, $5,000 is money, but look at what you're getting for such a little price. So don't overemphasize what you're giving up. Because all that he has made ours and bringing us into the sacrifices are a joy because it brings us into the harvest of the fullness of Christ that belongs to us. And I love something I heard Pastor Jay say, where's Pastor J? He said, God planned it, Jesus purchased it, but the Holy Ghost leads us into it. And if we don't learn to follow his leading, we never Experience as we ought on this earth, all that God planned and Jesus purchased because it's incomplete without following the leading of the Spirit into it. So when people would ask dad Hagin, what is God doing? He's raising up strong local churches that move with the Word and the Spirit. The solution is not suppress the flow of the Spirit. The solution is learn the flow of the Spirit. To learn it, you have to get around those who know it. You can't get this from a book. And when you're around it, you need to jump in on it. Because observing does not turn you into a learner. Amen. You go, oh, my goodness, what's she gonna do? Don't worry about it. You're gonna be all right. But he said, God is raising up strong local churches that flow with the move of the Spirit. And Dad Hagin would also say this to us. He said, the great moves of God are not going to happen in your big conventions and auditoriums. They're going to happen in the local churches. Amen. And God can't have a move without you. He can plan a move, desire a move, but we all have to get in on it. It's not just about the pastor becoming skillful or the first two rows becoming skillful. It's about all of us hungering and thirsting after desiring these things, coveting these things in our midst. Amen. Because in the place where the Spirit gets his way, people get their help. And ultimately, if people aren't getting helped, why are they coming? Amen. And the Holy Spirit is the great helper. Amen. So God is raising up strong local churches that flow with the move with the Word and the Spirit. And it's for all of us to get in and learn it. Amen. In October of 1999, we were at a church in central California and my husband had preached. And we were getting ready after the service to go up to the hospitality room, and it was on another floor. And they had an elevator in that building. So we're standing by the elevator, and as we're waiting for the elevator, Ed says, I don't know if I can go that far. I just heard him say that out of his mouth. I don't know if I can go that far. And he hit the floor and he ended up going to heaven. And several things happened. But one of the things that God talked to him about was word and Spirit churches. And he told my husband, he said, I'm raising up Word and Spirit churches. What is that flowing with the Word and the Spirit? It's called a New Testament church. It's called the Day of Pentecost, Word and Spirit. And he said, I'm raising up Word and Spirit churches to put my harvest in, because if I put them in a flesh church is what he called them, a flesh church. He said, I'll lose my harvest. And Pastor Cody was over there. In Galatians 6, verse 7 says, if you sow to the flesh, you reap. You're going to reap, but you're going to reap corruption. If you sow to the Spirit, you reap life everlasting. And so Jesus said, churches that sow to the flesh, all they do is they cater to the emotions, the feelings. They hold them in a babyhood stage of spiritual development. The Word says that they'll reap, but it'll be corruption. What happens, it implodes. Because if they don't get out of that babyhood stage now, that place of flesh, they're going to get dominated by the flesh and all kinds of sin they yield to and all kinds of things. And people confused about what's the standard in today's society. Well, the Word's never been adjusted by Heaven based on a government legislation. Sin confuses people. But I'm not confused. You're not confused. Amen. And we don't adjust our churches and our message for confused people just because you're confused. I'm not and very clear on the message that's been entrusted to us. Amen. And God needs a place for his harvest to be put. Amen. In these Word and Spirit churches, miracles can happen. And miracles. And it was Raymond T. Richie, who I believe was one of the first, who said, miracles are the dinner bell drawing the lost. Amen. My husband made this statement. Before a new wave comes, there's a time when there is a lull and it's very quiet in between when there's been a wave and another is coming and things look quiet. But he said many ministers during that lull get nervous during that quiet time and start hooking onto anything moving instead of waiting and hooking up to what God is doing. Amen. Charles s. Price in 1925 said this of one thing we are sure, very, very sure there will be a full restoration of the apostolic gifts and the full power of Pentecost before the coming of the Lord. Now, this is what dad Hagin's prophesied. My husband's prophesied. The Fivefold Office is operating at full potential power. The nine gifts of the Spirit operating at full potential power that we won't just float into that. We have to become skillful so that level can function. And I'm not just talking to ministers, but congregations bringing their faith and hooking on. I don't know. Pastor Anderson, do we have more of his book out there? I know we've offered it before. If you haven't gotten hold of Pastor Anderson's, Edwin Anderson's book on the local church, you need to get hold of that. You can contact us or him and get hold of that because he talks about the role of the whole body in this. And so Charles S. Price said of one thing. We are very, very sure there will be a full restoration of the apostolic gifts and the full power of Pentecost before the coming of the Lord. The faithful few who are true to God, to those that place their all upon the altar of full consecration, God will pour out in fullest measure the power that was given to the disciples on the day that the church was born. That's the day of Pentecost. We believe that there will be miracles of healing, supernatural manifestations of God's mighty power that will break even the most calloused hearts. There is another outpouring, this time a cloud burst of latter rain that we are convinced beyond measure. God has wonderful things in store for his people. Amen. I don't want it to go to the next generation just because we weren't interested enough to become skillful for the flow. Amen. In 2008, I was. Ed and I were in Fredonia, New York, and we had gone back quite early after the service to the hotel room. We got back early and I was grateful to get in the room a little early to get some rest that night. And at one o' clock I'm still laying there. One o' clock in the morning, boy, I died and I couldn't fall asleep. And so I took some time praying. And I became God's secretary that night and just wrote what he said. And I want to share with you because God brought up this to me. And then either tonight, tomorrow night, whenever there's something of this we want to emphasize, but he said to me that night, he said, not every congregation will cooperate with the deeper things of the spirit. Notice the phrase the deeper things of the spirit. There is such a thing as the household of faith. We are of the household of faith. But in the household of faith, there's rooms, just like in your household, there's rooms. And if we're not careful, we'll just be glad to be in the household of faith. Well, we should be glad to be in the household of faith. But the entry is always an introduction to the rest of the house. There's more. And if you're not careful, even pastors can just leave congregation members in the entry at the beginning stages of things, and they never move on into further places of what the house of faith, the household of faith contains. And some are just content to get in the door and just stay there. Nominal Christians, you know, and thank God they're born again. But there's so much. There's a household, a household of faith, not just an entry of faith. There's not just the entry hall, the foyer, so to speak. There's a household. And every room contains its own furnishings. And there's all kinds of the furnishings of heaven, furnishings of the spirit in each room. And you're free to browse through the entire household. You don't just have to stay in babyhood stage at the beginning of things, resting on somebody else's faith to carry you through. But you can take the word and feed and grow up so that you can go upstairs. You know, when children are little, we're blocking off stairways. We put gates. Why? Because they're gonna get hurt. They don't know how to navigate. And we confine them to rooms so that we can keep our eye on them. I don't ever want to be a pastor that confines people just so I can keep them close enough that I can just keep my eye on them. Right. And you don't want to be a congregation member that is contained under the umbrella of your pastor's faith. But never having your own. There's a household of faith for you to move in and enjoy and recline on all the furnishings of all the provision that's in that household of faith. And if we're not careful, we'll just be content to walk in and may even see a great view, may even see a view into other rooms, but just still stand where we're at and just admire and enjoy what's available or watch someone else enjoy the room. But God offers us that as household of faith, we become participants of what's in that household. Amen. Meaning this. Miracles. Miracle power is just not confined to ministers. You shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Come into that. The fullness of that room that's in that household of faith. Amen. So God said to me that night, not every congregation will cooperate with the deeper things of the spirit. What is that? Further rooms. There's further rooms in the things in the Place in God, in the flow of the anointing. Amen. So not every congregation will cooperate with the deeper things of the Spirit. If they won't, that's the pastor's job, to help them say, hook on and go. But those who hunger and thirst for it shall be filled. He's talking about congregations being filled, not just individuals, but the individuals are filled and the whole congregation is filled. And then he said this to me. That's why churches, and he was referring to Word and Spirit churches, haven't grown to the size the pastors would like for. My plan is that they be congregations that will flow with the deeper things of God. And it's difficult to move a larger number of people into a deeper flow. Now, don't misunderstand me or what he's saying. He is not sentencing Word and Spirit churches to smallness, but he's saying, when you're at a smaller number, that's the time to start teaching them to hook in and step in and move. Because when you're at those younger years of development in a local church and growth, it's easier to get everyone on board. I mean, even dad Hagin would say whenever there was another place in the prophet's office, he would need to go. He would tell his crusade coordinator, book me at small churches. Why? Because he recognized it's easier for me to get a smaller congregation to go with me where I need to go and where God's trying to take me than it is to get a convention full of people, convention center full of people to go. Because there's so many different systems of belief going on. And so it's easier to get them in united movement. So I'm saying this. Pastors don't diminish the value of no matter how many are there, don't diminish that and say, well, I wanted more. Well, take the ones you have and bring them into a skill, into a recognition of the deeper things of God. And, and I learned this in pastoring, is that if you will teach the ones who are there when others come who have not heard all the instruction, they will just step into the momentum of the ones who know. When others in the congregation know how to respond and a visitor sits next to someone who's responding, all of a sudden they feel comfortable responding because they're in the proximity of someone who knows how to respond. And it's not, yes, the instruction continually goes on, but it's almost the skill of those present who you have trained. They link arms with the new ones and help Them move along quick. So don't be disheartened if a congregation is not growing to. And I'm talking to pastors to the size and congregations don't look around and say, why isn't our church growing? You just think about going deeper with God. You think about going further into that household of faith instead of saying, well, this church over there, you know they're breaking out. But what with, come on, that's it. That's it. Because you can be breaking out in pride and carnality and all kinds of things that satisfy the emotions in the flesh, but they're never gonna arrive them at the place where God is endeavoring to take them. Listen, dad, Hagin tried and he would say this. I'm endeavoring. God is endeavoring to get us into a further place of the Spirit. And really, he went home to heaven without us getting there. But we've still got to get there. What is this place? It's the place of full flow, full measure, full measure of miracle power, full measure of healing power, full measure of the nine manifestations of the Spirit, of the fivefold offices. Full measure. And you know what? It's just not okay for us to sit back and just be half interested. If we want full measure, we can't give half heartedness. Amen. And this is such a cherished time for ministers and pastors that when your congregation may be smaller in number, that's the time you can go quickly into some things. Amen. So he said that's why churches, word and spirit churches haven't grown to the size pastors would like for my plan is it congregations to have congregations that will flow with the deeper things of God. He's wanting some people to arrive before he starts multiplying some things. He's wanting a congregation to arrive at some places in skill and with him and then he'll start multiplying some things. You know this. Well, I don't know this because I only have one child per generation. My children were nine years apart. Steven is nine years older than Grant. So I don't know this the way that other some of you may know it. Jennifer knows this. The Tuleows know this. The Tuleows, what, they got 49 children now? But what happens when you have a lot of children? The older ones start picking up, just adding the new. When you add a lot of older ones, it's no big deal to add the new ones because the older ones take care of the new ones. And in the church family, that's God's intent The ones who have gained skill and been the longest with their pastor. You take them. You take new ones that come under wing, and you say, this is how you pray and this is how you praise, and this is how you give. And there are demonstrations all in that congregation to the new ones. And then it doesn't matter how many new ones you have, because the older ones are jumping in and bringing their part, because they're not just trusting the skin to the pulpit. The skill is in the pew. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost every day, meaning not just Sunday, meaning every one of us can have experiences with God. Maybe not spectacular, but still supernatural. You don't have. Don't get addicted to spectacular. Thank God when that happens. But it's more supernatural things that come from him that we're interested in, not things that grab the attention of others so people can admire us. Praise the Lord, because he said, my plan is that they be congregations that will flow with the deeper things of God. And it's difficult to move a larger number of people into a deeper flow. So the size you're at right now, get them going. Amen. He said this. So I have brought those who want to move further into the things of God into these churches. There's more people, more children in your grade school, your junior highs, and your high schools than in your universities. Why? Because there's another demand put on those in the university. You know, when you're in grade school and junior high and high school, I mean, the teacher's saying, get your homework done. Did you get it done? And in the university, they don't care whether you paid attention to the homework assignment or not. They'll let you flunk. They don't care. Now, they're not there to babysit you. But we don't want to live where somebody has to prod us along, that we are growing up in Him. And we're saying, you know what? I'm not okay with what I struggled with last year will not be an issue this year. I put the word in my mouth. I give the word its place so that I step past and move past this thing that I used to struggle with. No more. But a lot of people are just content to sit in the class of the young. But God's wanting us to go further with him into some things. Because I tell you what, you can pray and pray and desire miracles, but if you're not willing to go into the deeper things of God and move with him, then we become a hindrance to that desire. So he said, so Be concerned. Well, let me say that. Let me read this again. So I have brought those who want to move further into the things of God into these churches. What is that? Those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, they shall be filled. There's a precious woman of God, that precious ministry. And she said, I'd rather preach to 50 hungry people than 5,000 satisfied ones any day. But if you're not careful when you look around to society and to the way people value the value they put on things, it's all about numbers. Don't misunderstand me. We're after the harvest, but some are just after bigness. And they're calling it a love for the harvest when it's really a motive for bigness. If we'll move with the Spirit, he'll move us into fullness. We won't have to have a twisted motive of having our own grow big. So he said this to me, so don't be concerned about numbers. And he was wanting me to teach and preach this to the ministers associated with my husband and with fof. So don't be so concerned about numbers. Rather be more interested in moving the congregation into a deeper place in God. It can't be done overnight, but the progress has been great and there's more ahead for you.
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When dad Hagin was here in 2003, he referred to dad Goodwin. Dad Goodwin was a pastor in Texas. And him and dad Hagin had much close fellowship through the years. And dad Hagin referred to that. He said their church was the closest to a New Testament church as I'd ever seen or been in in all my ministry. So we were talking about that in the back room and I said, dad, from the accounts that I read dad Goodwin's church, I think it may be held 200, 250, maybe somebody one of you ministers may know more accurately, but somewhere around in there. But they packed it out every service and they would have to put chairs in the aisles to accommodate all the people that had come. But he never moved into a bigger building. He never built onto the church building they had. So I asked dad Hagin in the back. I said because the Goodwins church was full to the brim with people, they couldn't get any more in. Why didn't he build build a bigger church or why didn't he move to or why didn't he go to bigger one? And he said, because he said God never told him to. And he says, number one, God never told him to. Number two, he was landlocked so he couldn't develop where he was at any further. So I had had that conversation with dad five years before. Then God said this to me five years later. He said, that's the reason, dad. Well, let me back up and read again. Be more interested in moving the congregation into a deeper place in God rather than numbers. In other words, you can have numbers. Don't be occupied with getting numbers. Be occupied with where God is wanting to take the numbers you have. And then God said to me that night, that's the reason dad Goodwin was never instructed to build a bigger building. I was more interested in the deeper places of the Spirit that I had for that congregation to go. He said, they could accomplish more by being in a deeper place of the Spirit than they could by being in a larger building. Now get that. They could accomplish more by being in a deeper place of the Spirit than than they could by being in a larger building. They would have grown larger in numbers if they would have moved to a larger building, but they would have diminished in spiritual impact. Why? Because picking up numbers does not mean picking up people who will move with you. And there are other places that they're going to stay in a certain flow, and they're okay at a certain flow. But if you want to go further with God when he offers us all the household of faith, not just the front room of the household of faith, if you want to go further, then you have to have people that will go with you. Amen. And they have to be taught. They have to be taught. You have to be taught to be hungry. You have to be taught to desire things. Amen. So I want to read that again. They could accomplish more by being in a deeper place of the Spirit than they could by being in a larger building. They would have grown larger in numbers in a larger building, but they would have diminished in spiritual impact. Then he said, this growth of numbers is not always enlargement. Depth is enlargement. Why? The roots of a tree, the deeper it goes, the deeper it goes, then the largeness is safe. We had in one of our homes, we had some large cottonwood trees. And they are notorious shallow rooted. They're wide rooted, but they're shallow rooted. And we had a good rain and a good soaking rain for us. And we came out and a massive tree. Massive. Had all this height and all this width. We came out and it was just pushed over like a toothpick because there was no depth to it. And this is what happens when people want growth over depth. Anything can topple them. Anything can topple that church, topple that life, topple that home, topple that business. Because when they're just wanting all that's seen and not all that supports. So he said, depth is enlargement. Some have promoted numerical growth and sacrificed spiritual growth. Those who measure numbers as success have no vision to see the depth of the Spirit. Man doesn't see as God sees. Men who measure success as numbers are bound to the natural realm and they will never move into the depth of the move of the spirit. Why? Because they're so occupied with what others view as success, what others call success. Instead of. What is God dealing with you about? Instead of trying to appear to be something in the community. I tell you what, if you ever follow the Holy Ghost in obeying what he has for you, I guarantee you that's the way to bless the community. You'll have something to offer the community. Then instead of something that. Instead the community admiring you, you begin offering them something. Praise the Lord. Man doesn't see as God sees. Men who measure success as numbers are bound to the natural realm and will never move into the depths of the spirit. Keep your focus on the spirit realm and don't be distracted by the natural of number counting. Then the natural realm won't trip you up. How many run? Pastors will run and see how many are showing up. They'll look in the window or look around. How many showed up? Service. What you gonna do? What you gonna do? You can go out in the street and go gather more right before the service because you don't like the numbers that didn't show up. What you gonna do? You just flipped into the natural right before you step in the pulpit. Praise the Lord. And they harass themselves and they start accusing their office. Well, maybe I shouldn't be pastoring anymore. Why are you gonna doubt a call just cause someone didn't show up? Why are you going to question where God put you? Just because others don't recognize the place they should be? Just because you're not where you should be doesn't mean I'm leaving where I should be. It's like just because the neighbor can't pay their mortgage this month doesn't mean I can't. But so many, if we're not careful, they associate the value of depth and the worth of their office and their calling by who did or did not show up. Measuring the natural. We're spirit people. We're spirit people. You heard Brother Copeland. We are a spirit. We have a soul. We live in a body. But we are not a soul. We are a spirit and we keep our focus there. Amen. What's Colossians? Colossians 3, verse 2. That amplifies. Set your mind on things above and keep it set. What's it say? Get it off the natural. Keep it on the things of value. So he said, keep your focus on the spirit realm and don't be distracted by the natural of number counting. Then the natural realm won't trip you up. The natural realm. And he was referring to number counting or anything of that natural realm has tripped up so many of those I have anointed. They are so absorbed with measuring success by the natural realm that they have missed the steps that would have led them further into the things of the Spirit. You can't look at this realm and God's realm at the same time and go further with him when you're distracted by the natural. The spirit realm of God is the place where all answers originate from. Those who have been tripped up by this natural realm have never made strides into the realm where their answers lie. Those sheep who need answers for their lives. And where is that from? It's from the spirit realm, from God's flow. Those sheep who need answers for their lives from the spirit realm. They need answers for their health and other needs will never receive it in a church that's been tripped up by number counting. Why? Because they're more concerned about numbers than about the needs of the people and becoming skillful at meeting their needs. So he said, so just be occupied with moving deeper into the things of my spirit and leave the natural behind. Don't stay back with those who are in the realm of failure. What's the realm of failure? The natural realm. There's no failure in God's realm. There's no failure in the flow of the spirit. And the flow of the flesh is all the failure you'll ever want. Don't stay back with those who are in the realm of failure. What's that mean? Don't imitate others who are. Don't use as an example those who aren't moving further with God. Don't stay back with those who are in the realm of failure, which is the natural realm. Rather, you keep moving forward into the realm of answers, which is my realm, the spirit realm. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. It anchors people from going, what should I do? Pastor Craig said it this morning. Don't go to another ministry and say, that worked for them. Well, if it worked for them because it came from God, it didn't come from a plan, a man. It came from God. But you cannot adopt another man's plan and put God's name on it. You say, well, you're talking about churches, I'm talking about lives for your life. You can't just mimic how somebody did it and expect God to owe you success because you imitated something that succeeded for someone else. You got to find out from God what is his directive for your life, for your business, for your home, for your marriage, for your family. Yes, there are similarities. The similarities of the foundation of the word. But how that's played out is directed by the leading of the Spirit many times, times. Amen. So I say to you, don't just look around to the natural and start measuring out here to decide the value of what you're doing for God. Because I guarantee you, most of those, most of us in the church family, we serve in capacities that are not visible. But that doesn't mean that God doesn't expect you to be there or God doesn't expect you to value that place. Amen. Well, I just, you know, I just wanted to, you know, help in something more apparent. Listen, just being a help. What did David say? I'd rather be what? A doorkeeper in the house of the Lord than to dwell in the tents of the wicked? Than to have a front row seat with sin, have a front row seat with carnality, enjoying all of that. He says, I'd rather be a doorkeeper, somebody nobody ever looks at. But I'm where. I'm in the vicinity where God is blessing and moving. Amen. Some have thought certain positions are beneath them, but notice this. The Holy Spirit is called the helper. And it's not beneath the Godhead to be called a helper. It's not beneath us to be a helper to the children's department, to the usher's department, to any. It's not beneath us. It is an honor to be. To be able to put our hand to anything that flows from God and anything that God values and is interested in and authors for us. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Well, I'm not going to go further than that because I'd have to go a whole nother sermon and I've got you a few more services and so we can get it that way.
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So this is.
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These are some things that God said to us. What? To keep us on course. Keep us on course. That means this. Don't jump ship just because your church doesn't look to be growing. You be where God told you to be. And I don't care what Grows up around you. If God didn't put you there, it won't feed you. Well, they're preaching the word. I didn't say they weren't preaching the word. I'm talking about, where did God put you? In my housing addition that I live in. I could drive down the road and there's a kitchen in every house, But I'm not authorized to go and sit at the table just because there's a kitchen where they're serving dinner every night. I can't just walk in and say, well, you got a kitchen and you got a table. Why don't you feed me? Because that's not where I belong. You go to where you belong and you eat at mama's table, and you eat at daddy's table, and you don't be found at a table that you shouldn't be in just because you forced your way in because it looked like it was a fun or party there. Well, at this church, you don't have to serve. You mean they don't get to do what God wants them to do? I'm not looking to get dismissed from helping. Praise the Lord. So my husband went to church with Billy Frazier, got saved, was in a home of mental illness, alcoholism, and his mind, he said, was getting as squirrely as his relatives. And he got born again because the flow of the spirit. Someone valued the flow of the spirit. The flow of the spirit embarrassed the pastor that day, but it met the needs of the hungry that day. I tell you what value being where the Spirit is valued and honored and given his way. Praise the Lord. So my husband came back to church that night and he said to the pastor, he said, I've been serving the devil for 25 years. And he says, now that I'm born again, what can I do for God? He didn't just say, how can you help me get out of my messes? He said, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do? Remember on the road to Damascus when Jesus spoke to Paul and he, you know what Paul's question? What would you have me do? No wonder God could take that man because he understood, no, take him in another direction. Because he understood there's something for me to do. It's not just something for me to draw off of somebody, but something for me to do. And the pastor said, we don't have anyone to clean the toilets. They said, I can clean the toilets. But how many would have thought that beneath them them. If Jesus didn't think it beneath him as the godhead to Take his sin upon your sin upon him. It's not beneath us to do anything. Anything that's connected to his family. It's an honor. It's an honor. It's an honor. It's an honor.
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Honor.
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Amen. And the world will teach you you're not a success till you have your own. Well, that's not scriptural. It's not scriptural. Yeah. If you can't be faithful with what belongs to another man, who will give you your own, you can get your own and it not be worth having. But when God lets me do something of his own. So my husband served cleaning toilets a long time because he didn't have much of an education. But he was smart enough to know this is not beneath me. Some people aren't smart enough to know that serving anything that God is. That's connected to God's family. It's an honor. It's an honor. He did that faithfully. And then one day he got promoted to door greeter. And I guarantee you, when Ed showed the way, he greeted people, I guarantee you they got greeted. And then he got promoted to deacon, and then he got promoted to pastor. Not of that church, but God moved him into the pastorate. Why? Because he was willing to developed and to go deeper. Not go more visible, go deeper. Amen. Tend to your spiritual life. When your pastor says, let's step into what God wants tonight, you say, let's go pastor. Instead of, I'm tired. Every single one of us have to step past our flesh to obey God. Every single one of us. Every single, one, single one of you. Anything God tells you to do is always in violation of your flesh. Because God's not working through your flesh. He's not leading you through your flesh. He's telling you, step past your flesh, get into his flow. Amen. Stand with me to your feet tonight. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Father, it's an honor to belong to you. What a family. What a family. What a father. What a savior. We're so thankful we belong to you. We did not come into this life and get born again just so we could have less. We're hungry for more. We're hungry for more. We're hungry for more. So we go with you into the deeper things that you offer us, being students of the Word. As Brother Copeland talked about, taking correction is going deeper. Taking the discipline, being a disciple, taking the instruction is going deeper. So we thank you, Holy Spirit. What a precious guide you are. We honor your movement. We honor you bringing to pass and bringing us into all Jesus purchased. Thank you so much and Holy Spirit, you are always welcome to have your way. And we thank you how patient you are in leading us as we're learning. But we'll keep learning. And even if we miss it, we'll keep learning. But we thank you. We thank you. Hallelujah. A few days ago, I was praying out some things and it was for these services. And God said to me, new hearts. I'm not talking about emotional, I'm not talking about. I'm talking about a physical heart, heart, heart issues. He said, there's new hearts for people. And then he said, there's new parts for hearts. Some need a whole new heart, some just need repaired parts. New parts, you go, well, that doesn't make sense. Well, how can God do that? Take out my heart and give me a new heart? He did that for Mom Hagin. She had an incurable heart condition. For a year she just focused and filled up on the healing word. And one night she saw an angel walk in. Right when they were sitting watching tv, not even in church, just watching tv, an angel walked in carrying something. She didn't know what it was. Then she saw him reach into her chest deposit that and he pulled out the old heart and left it on the table by her. She didn't see it in the natural, but in the spirit. She saw it. Why heaven doesn't need something doesn't work. The broken down stuff's for the earth. Amen. So there's new body parts. Amen. So if you have a heart condition, we'll minister to you. Because heaven has something more and we want it. Amen. Hallelujah. So if that's you and you have a heart condition, come up here and we'll minister to you. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.
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The Lord.
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And how many of you know there are even angels that will cooperate with this flow? Are angels healers? No, but they cooperate with healing power. They cooperate in the pool of Bethesda, that angel came down and stirred the water. And whoever got in it, the first one, there was a deposit of healing power, enough for one. The angel didn't heal. But the angel cooperated by depositing that healing power so that those in need could access it. Amen. So some of you may feel something even moving. That's all right. Don't be concerned. Some of you might not feel anything. Some all right too. It's not about what we feel or don't feel. Congregation, reach your hands out toward these. Father, we thank you. It is your complete pleasure. Jesus, what a wonderful healer you are. And you spoke to me days ago that there's new hearts. So we receive them tonight. We thank you. Thank you for that. We don't try to figure it out, we just believe it. We receive it. You heard it this morning, Pastor Craig. Agree, agree. Agree that there's new hearts. Agree that there's new parts. Amen. And you take it. You don't have to figure it out. You just take it. Hallelujah, congregation, you're releasing your faith with us. Thank you, Father. That heart to be whole in Jesus name. We thank you for that heart to be whole in Jesus name. We thank you, Father, for that heart to be. To be whole in Jesus name. We thank you, Father, that when this cloth is laid upon that one in need, if there's a presence of an evil spirit, the anointing will drive it out. They'll be made whole in Jesus name. We thank you for it, Father. I always so appreciate how you bring clothes for people. I appreciate that. That you're sitting here receiving for yourself, but you're also thinking of somebody else. Thank you for that, Father. I thank you. I thank you, Father. We thank you.
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We thank you for wholeness in Jesus name. We thank you. There it goes. Love wholeness in Jesus name. We thank you for wholeness in Jesus name. We thank you for wholeness in Jesus name. We thank you for that. We thank you for wholeness, Father, in Jesus name. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Let's thank him. Let's thank him. Jesus thank you for new hearts. Thank you for new parts. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. For wholeness in Jesus name. In Jesus name. We thank you, Father. Thank you.
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Lord.
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Lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. I just want to thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. I just want to thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. Thank you, lord. I just want to thank you, lord. Hallelujah. Praise the lord. Praise the lord. Romans chapter one, verse 11 says, Paul writing says, for I long to see you that I may impart. That I may impart. That I may impart. Something that's going to help you. Something that's going to get you to the end. The word impartations come through the word sitting under the word impartations can come though through the laying on of hands. Hebrews 6 talks about the ministry of the laying on of hands. Not everyone has that ministry. Everyone can lay hands on the sick. I'm talking about believers but this is another doctrine of the church, the ministry of the laying on of hands for impartation. And there's a holy tribe of Canadians here, aren't there? Wave your hand if you're from Pastor Craig's church. Look at them all. Look at them all. I want to lay hands on you. Come up here. I want to lay hands on you. Hallelujah. I haven't been able to get there, but I was prompted in my heart to bless you. You say, well, what is it that. That I'll be blessed with? Well, what is it that you need? Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. We thank you, father. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. You just put your feet right up next to that step, if you would. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Look at all these that came all the way from Canada. Praise the Lord. Thank you for that, Pastor Craig. That's good teaching, brother. Hungry. Hungry. Those that hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled. So, Father, we thank you for the filling. We thank you for the impartation. We thank you for it. Be blessed in Jesus name. Be blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus name. We thank you for it, father. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed for the next thing God has for them. Blessed for the next thing. Blessed to run with their pastor. Blessed. Run with their pastor. Blessed to bring a wealth of supply. Graced to bring that supply. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Father. Hallelujah. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for another dimension being added to you, love. Another dimension of giftings being added because your pastor needs them and God needs them. And if your pastor needs them, God needs them. We thank you. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus name. Blessed in Jesus name. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Father, I thank you for revelations in oracles of God afresh. Give me your hands, Pastor. I thank you.
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Mmm.
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That will speak into not just the community, the region, but the nation. A voice, A voice. Someone cannot take a voice to themself. God has to give it. And God assigns it. He gives it. Be a good steward of that voice, but don't let others use the voice. It's for God's use. Others will come and they'll say, you need to say this, pastor. You need to deal with this. You need to address this. You need to tell them this. No, my voice is not at your disposal. It's at his disposal. You don't tell me you don't put the words in this voice. God, this voice he gives me, this influence he gives me is so he can tell me what he once said, not so you can use it for your own benefit. So don't let others share that voice. It's not given to them. It's given to you to steward how that voice is used. And it's for his benefit. Same thing for you, Pastor. Pastor J. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for that voice. We thank you for it. We thank you for it. God's raising up. He's raising up those to be voices in this era. Amen. Praise the Lord. Morgan, if you'll hand me that microphone. Praise the Lord. Pastor Noel, come up here. Pastor Noel, come up here. Just obey God.
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Yeah. In my heart is the book of Acts, chapter 1313. Where the. There's certain. Certain prophets.
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Yeah.
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And teachers. And they ministered unto the Lord. The Holy Ghost said there's some. There are certain, certain prophets in this room. Ah, yeah. Sometimes we just do teaching, but there's prophets. The see more. So the seer. The seer. The seer has to see and speak what they're seeing. Amen. The seer. Yeah. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Lord. Yeah. Pastor J. Pastor J, please come up. Speak what you see. The seer has to get in front. Now. It's not just a voice of teaching, but the voice of a prophet. A seer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speak what you see. That's a real seer. Yeah, Yeah. A skillful one. Yeah. Directions for the body.
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Thank you, jesus. I see unity coming to congregations that are.
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Have.
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That has leadership of the Spirit in front of them, speaking the word of God coming into a unity. It forms a spiritual house. Not just the individual being a house, but the body united as one built up a spiritual house for God's glory in manifest way, in a corporate wave moving over the congregation not just once, but when they come together, moving by the spirit. Moving by the spirit. This service flowing in this direction with these things and these manifestations. And in this next service, flowing in another way for the needs of the people to be met. And so a corporate house for it is written. The cleansing and washing of the water of the Word goes before the glory that his house might be filled with his glory. So the move of the Spirit in the generation past has emphasized the Word. And this is a move of the glory because of the Word in the past and a continued preaching and teaching of the Word now. But now a greater demonstration of the glory in the house of unity. Oh, my, my. My, my, my, my, my, my, my. And things order. My, my, my. I see that. I see it. I see it. Things set in order, as it were. Rooms in the spirit that have been vacated.
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Yes.
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Places. Rooms that have been vacated. Yes. Occupied by the previous generation. But this time. But now it's. It's gathering dust. Machinery and equipment that's there was once occupied, used, and now it's gone dormant. And not being occupied, but leaders of the Spirit, through speaking the word of God and bringing lives into order by the Spirit, bringing people into their place by the Spirit will form. This room will begin to be occupied and the dust will be cleared and the room will begin to function. This piece of equipment functioning as one move and manifestation of the Spirit through this one. And this piece of equipment beginning to function again as this one moves and operates in the things that God gives them to operate with in that room with their pastor. And as they all come together. And each piece of equipment begins to operate in this room and then begins to take be. The father's heart will be satisfied and the glory will be manifested in that room. And when you come together as a congregation, it'll be as if you enter into that room and each person moves in and begins to take their place. And then the glory of God. Each piece of equipment functioning properly will begin to. All in one accord, all in one accord will begin to cause the heart of the Father to be glad. And the glory, the glory, the glory, the glory, the glory will bring it all into full function. God's plan will be done.
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Well, so called king. Aha. Yeah. AKA Amen. Yes, yes. The prophets. The seer. The seer. Yeah, of course. So they're gonna get into the front. The front, yeah. They will speak.
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Who?
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. They will speak over the nation. Ah, the glory shall be cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. King Jehoshaphat. Yes, Lord. Ah, to cause the sea. The seer. Ah, the people got together through the instruction of the seer. And the enemy. The enemy. The enemy. The enemy was defeated. The enemy. The seer. The prophet. Oh, mike. My loki. Yes, lord. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yes, lord. I will. Lord yaka teach. It's my honor to say that. Yes, lord. Yes, lord. Yes, Lord. Hallelujah. Pastor.
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Pastor.
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Pastor. This year, in fact, I believe in this meeting, the prophet's anointing on you will be greater than before. You will see things that you've never seen before. You will speak. That's okay. Yeah. The prophet has to speak. The prophet has to speak. Yeah. Your prophet's anointing on you will be greater than before. Oh, oh, my.
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Oh, oh.
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A greater room on that prophet's anointing. A great greater room. See that Lord Elijah got into a new room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To ordain to. Oh my. Oh, the leader. Oh, yes, Lord. Oh, yes, Lord. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Got into a new room. Got into a new room. Speak. And ordained a leader of a nation. Yeah, yeah. Oh. A leader of the army. Oh, oh, oh. And those. Those that will enter in. Into that prophet's anointing into the air you will speak to their life. You will speak just like Elijah's anointing. Ah, yeah. And the rain will flow. And the latter rain will flow. The latter rain, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and many men, many men will follow. Many women will follow. Ordained, ordained, ordained. Ordaining. Ordaining men and women of God into their place, into their place of ministry. Or that the kisha there will be many, many men and women of God. Will be coming and they will be ordained. Yes, Lord, as that. That's anointing. Seeing in the things of the Spirit with regards to the nation, with regards to the president that's coming, coming, coming to you, Pastor. Coming to your ministry. And things will change. Things will change in nations. Things will change in the body of Christ, in the life of many ministers. Hallelujah. Thank you.
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Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. We worship you, Father. We give you glory and honor. We give you glory and honor. We thank you. We thank you for raising up precious ministers gifts to the earth. We thank you, Father. We thank you for it, Father. You know, because we want to make these services as classrooms of the Spirit for you too. So you say, how do you know what to call out or what to minister? Well, regarding the hearts, remember I was praying and I prayed out. So I write that down and I don't let that slip. And then see if you don't care to remember it and then you get it just seems right. Yeah. Do it now in this service or do it less. You just follow inside of you don't just sit and figure out, well, mentally, where would be a good place to do that? I don't do that. I just. When you're in the flow, you check. Yeah, this seems to fit. And then one thing leads to another thing. Following the Spirit, and I've said it for years this way, following the Spirit is like pulling the magician's handkerchief. You pull the corner and a whole other length of it comes out. And the more you pull the more comes. So if you'll start with the one thing, there's something tied to it, connected to it, that'll lead you to the next thing. And so this is where it doesn't work with the natural minded. People want to know exactly what to do in a service. You don't have to know there, you don't have to know where you're not at yet. You're not. You don't need all four instructions from the Lord, just. You just need the next one. So if you'll act on the next thing that comes up in your heart, not something you figure out, but it just is an impression in here. Just it's not necessary that you hear words, but you just, it's impressed. I'm impressed to minister to this one or I'm impressed to minister to that one. And you just follow that. Amen. And sometimes I'll sense a tangibility of the anointing, sometimes I don't. I'm not led by what I that sense of feeling something I'm led by here, the inward witness. And that's why it's so important as ministers, we become skillful in following the inward witness in our daily life because that's what we're going to follow when we hit the pulpit too. In minister, ministering of the spirit, you just follow that inward witness. Amen. So we speak to those who are watching by livestream with heart conditions. Those who need a new heart, those who need new parts in their heart in Jesus name. Right now there's power present and available right where you're at, Satan. You can take your hands off their bodies, you take your hands off their lives, you take your hand of torment off their minds in Jesus name. Be free. In Jesus name. And I speak, Father. We receive new hearts, we receive new parts for hearts. And pain is leaving right now. There's somebody watching. And I mean you go, oh, all the pain left. It almost took your breath away because you realized all that pain left. Ha ha ha. Yeah. That's how much he loves you. Hallelujah. Those of you who are watching, you say, I can sense something's moving. I can sense a difference. Pain has left. Text us, let us know. Get on Instagram, get on Facebook, let us know. Because we keep track of the all of that. Amen. It matters that we acknowledge what God is doing. It matters that we honor it enough to testify to it. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. For the Lord is good and his mercy endures forever. For the Lord is good and his Mercy endures. There's so much. There's so much. I don't want any ground lost that previous generations walked on. But they're still not just walking where they walk, but going further. There's further places. Amen. So we say as believers, as ministers, we'll go. We'll go with the Holy Ghost into those further places. Not to be odd, you know, I'm not talking about this to try to sound like I'm deep. I'm just saying there's more in God for us to flow in and move in. But let's go together. Amen. It's not just observing, observing what goes on. It's us coming hungry and saying, I'll respond to whatever he has me to do and to. I'll respond in all flows of the service. Amen. Y' all are such a. I tell you, in these meetings, I mean, you notice Brother Copeland was not wanting to shut it down. He wanted to stay. Why? Because you're so willing to go. But I'm saying when you go back home with your own congregations, Amen. Let's all do our part to go further. Amen. Amen. Amen. We're spirit people. Word and spirit. Word and spirit. Hallelujah. Father, we thank you. We glorify you. We glorify you. We glorify you. We magnify you. Father, thank you for the services today. Thank you for the services so far. Help answers the dealings of God that are so precious to us. The correction, the direction, the protection, the perfection. We thank you for it. We thank you, Father. Father, we agree with your will for our life. We agree with your movement in our life. We agree with the instruction, the correction. We agree with it. I so appreciate what Pastor Craig preached this morning on that. Dad Hagin made a statement. He said, if there's any area in your life that you're struggling, it's because you've not yet agreed with God on it. You say, well, I'm struggling about healing. Well, I agree with him on healing. You say, I'm struggling. Prosperity, then agree with him on prosperity. Agree with him. Or, you know, I, I, I, I just, I, I just, I'm struggling about making that step regarding ministry. Will agree with him, because I tell you, that's your wealthy place. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Well, you don't want to miss in the morning, 10:00am Tom, tomorrow night, 7:00pm and all the way through Thursday, 10:00am 7:00pm Amen. Hallelujah. Well, turn to somebody before you're dismissed and say, I'm going to keep going further in that household of faith and you can be dismissed. God bless you. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, become a partner or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries.