Podcast Summary

Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Episode: Moving Deeper In The Spirit, Part 2
Speaker: Nancy Dufresne
Event: Holy Ghost Meetings 2022 | Monday PM
Date: January 20, 2022

Episode Overview

This episode, led by Pastor Nancy Dufresne, is a passionate, practical message for ministers and congregations about advancing deeper into the things of the Spirit. Pastor Nancy’s teaching centers on cultivating a church culture hungry for the move of God, valuing depth in the Spirit over numerical size, and the necessity of skill and boldness to experience end-time revival. She weaves together scriptural insights, prophetic instructions, and personal stories, emphasizing that miracle flows and end-time harvests are brought forth in “deeper places of the Spirit”—places accessible by prayer, unity, and spiritual hunger.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Call to Deeper Realms of the Spirit

• Full Potential in the End-Time Revival: Nancy begins by reiterating a vision that the last days will see all the spiritual offices and gifts operating at “full potential power” ([01:45]).
  • “It would be all previous revivals wrapped up in one... all five-fold offices operating at full potential... all nine manifestations of the Spirit at full potential.” — Nancy Dufresne ([01:45])
• Depth Over Numbers: She stresses spiritual depth over church size.
  • “Growth of numbers is not always enlargement. Depth is enlargement... Some have promoted numerical growth and sacrificed spiritual growth.” ([14:05])

2. Corporate Preparation, Not Individual Only

• Miracles and flows of the Spirit must be sought not just individually but corporately.
  • “It’s not just up to the preachers to access this flow. It’s all of us... Congregations, whole body, local bodies moving together.” ([04:20])
• Anecdote of Amy Simple McPherson: Her ministry relied on 150 people praying in tongues during services, which she called her "power generator." ([04:45])

3. What Hinders Deeper Corporate Flow?

• Natural Metrics: Nancy highlights the danger of fixating on numbers, offerings, and visible success, which distracts from moving in the Spirit.
  • “Those who measure numbers as success have no vision to see the depth of the spirit. Man does not see as God sees.” ([15:50])
• Encouragement for Leaders: She comforts pastors of smaller churches, saying God brings the hungry and that they shouldn't fret over attendance ([10:20]).

4. Biblical Examples of Occupying Spiritual Places

• Examples Given: Daniel, Elijah, Joshua, Elisha, the Acts church, and more—all occupied spiritual positions that shifted nations and communities ([38:00]–[45:00]).
  • “Daniel occupied that place personally. He occupied a place in God, and... that nation was ruled by his prayer life.” ([38:50])
  • Joshua’s command to the sun, which affected the entire solar system, is cited as the impact of one who occupies their “spiritual place” ([41:20]).

5. The Practice of Praying in the Spirit

• Gateway to Greater Flows: Pastor Nancy teaches that praying in tongues is how individuals and churches press into greater realms of the Spirit.
  • “The way to go further in the Spirit is speaking in tongues. The more we give ourselves to praying in the Spirit, the further we'll go...” ([02:45])
• Necessity of the Word: It's dangerous to pray in the Spirit without being anchored in the Word ([53:00]).
  • “You’re never safe just going there praying in the Spirit. You have to go there with the Word, feeding on the Word as you pray in the Spirit...” ([53:00])

6. Skill, Courage, and Motive

• Boldness Required: Stepping into deeper Spirit realms requires courage, especially amid opposition or unfamiliarity ([50:25]).
  • “It’s going to take courage that when God says, speak to that issue... occupying certain places calls for boldness.” ([50:25])
• Intentions Matter: She cautions against ambition and other motives, quoting 2 Corinthians 5:10 on being judged for both actions and motives ([01:13:30]).

7. Honor and Atmosphere for the Spirit

• Making Christ at Home: The church must prioritize the Holy Spirit’s comfort over human comfort to facilitate His move ([01:25:15]).
  • “My job is to not make people comfortable. My job is to create a place where he’s comfortable—then they can come and receive of his comfort.” ([01:27:20])

8. Young Generation and Impartation

• Pastor Nancy calls the young (ages 12-20) to the front to impart spiritual equipment and callings for their generation ([01:43:00]–[01:56:00]).
  • “Your success is not in trying to be like anybody else. You be like what’s on the inside of you...” ([01:44:20])
• Strong emphasis on legacy, divine protection, and the importance of their choices.

9. The Miracle Anointing — For Bodies and Buildings

• She prophesies and prays over ministers building new buildings, releasing the “miracle anointing” for provision ([02:13:10]).
  • “Miracles for buildings. Pastor Debbie, miracles for buildings. ...You’re building a building or you’re getting ready to build… come up here.” ([02:15:25])
  • “It’ll be easy. Not hard. That’s what your words are to be. It'll be easy.” ([02:18:25])

10. Maintaining the Right Attitude and Posture

• Emphasizes humility and diligence in learning from spiritual mentors and not presuming upon positions of proximity or favor ([02:22:00]).
  • “Assume you know nothing so that you can learn it all... Not everybody is offered certain positions to be near. Guard that, protect that, honor that...” ([02:23:05])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Revivals & Church Focus

• “It's not about gathering large numbers. It's about occupying the places of the Spirit he invites us into.” ([01:06:40])
• “Our help is in the moving of the Spirit. Our help is in where he leads... to occupy a large place in the Spirit is what we need to be interested in as pastors and as congregation members.” ([21:15], [25:00])

On Leadership & Congregational Flow

• “So don’t be so concerned about numbers... don’t let those who didn’t show up to love what you love hinder you from going into what you love.” ([11:50])
• “Congregations, whole body, local bodies moving together...” ([04:18])

Confronting Carnality & The World

• “People who live lifestyles that have been legislated as okay, but against what the word says... Everyone is welcome to come and be free, but don’t come and join and dare to join in a degree of anointing and not want to go in.” ([29:55])

On Praying in the Spirit

• “To go further in the Spirit, we have to pray in the Spirit. Miracle anointing is contained in the deeper places.” ([02:28:55])

On Motivation and Recognition

• “We will have to answer how we spend our spare time... We cannot occupy a large place when the natural occupies a large place in us or with our attention.” ([01:14:20])

Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 01:45 | Vision of last day revival and Spirit’s full operation | | 04:45 | Story of Amy Simple McPherson’s “power generator” | | 10:20 | God’s encouragement about numbers and church size | | 14:05–15:50 | Depth vs. numbers; spiritual enlargement defined | | 21:15–25:00 | Focus on the Spirit, not on building size | | 29:55 | The seriousness of joining a Spirit-filled body | | 38:00–45:00 | Biblical examples of spiritual occupation (Daniel, Joshua, Elijah, etc.) | | 50:25 | Courage, opposition, and boldness in the Spirit | | 53:00 | Praying in the Spirit must be anchored in the Word | | 01:06:40 | True reason for gathering; occupying spiritual places | | 01:13:30 | Motives judged by Christ; warning against ambition | | 01:25:15–1:27:20| Making the local church a home for Christ/Spirit | | 01:43:00–01:56:00| Impartation/prayer for teenagers and youth | | 02:13:10–2:18:25| Miracle anointing for building projects | | 02:22:00–2:23:05| Posture of humility for learning and spiritual proximity| | 02:28:55 | Statement on miracle anointing and praying in the Spirit |

Closing Notes

Pastor Nancy’s message is a clarion call to refocus the church’s priorities: to pursue the deeper things of God, cultivate both hunger and skill in the Spirit, and measure success by spiritual impact, not numbers. Her challenge and encouragement—directed to both leaders and congregations—invites all to move together into new realms, ensuring that miracle flows and revivals are birthed and sustained in unity, humility, and faith.

“Let’s go further. Let’s go further. Because God sees these things differently than we see them. Amen.” ([01:24:40])