Nancy Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2026 | Monday AM

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Episode: Nancy Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2026 | Monday AM
Date: January 20, 2026
Host/Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne, with contributions from David and Morgan
Theme: Daring to Take More Ground—Raising Faith, Thought, and Action for Abundant Living

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Episode Overview

In this inspiring episode, Pastor Nancy Dufresne leads a Monday morning session at the Holy Ghost Meetings 2026, focusing on encouraging believers to elevate their thinking, daring to "take more ground," and break out of limiting beliefs concerning God's abundance and purpose. Drawing from key scriptures, personal experiences, and interaction with the congregation, Nancy passionately calls listeners to align with God's thoughts, daring faith, and divine plans—not just for spiritual matters, but for every arena of life.

The conversational, faith-charged tone is filled with memorable analogies, direct challenges, and practical wisdom. David and Morgan offer supportive remarks, stories, and updates, contributing to a dynamic session filled with laughter, teaching, and worship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Living in God’s Completeness and Unlimited Promise

• Scripture Focus: Ephesians 3:20, Isaiah 48:17
  • "Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us…” (Eph 3:20 KJV)
• Main Point: Everything in Christ is already complete and belongs to believers; it requires us to align our asking and thinking with God’s higher thoughts.
  • “If we can think of it or ask it, we’re already below what he wants to do.” (Nancy, 03:12)
  • “His thoughts are higher… you’re invited up, above that.” (Nancy, 03:00-03:28)
• Insight: Don’t limit God to your current thought processes—He dares us to think bigger and live beyond circumstance.

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2. Daring Faith: Taking More, Not Waiting for It

• "It’s a Dare":
  • God dares believers to step out, take risks in faith, and pursue more than they're comfortable with.
  • “He’s daring us. So the daring didn’t stop when you grew up… as much as we dare.” (Nancy, 07:30-07:37)
  • Application to 2026: Dufresne Ministries sets sight on taking “more ground”—as much as their faith will dare to claim.
    • “You’re not going to float into more. You’re going to take more... you have to violate your thinking.” (Nancy, 08:00-08:31)

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3. Beyond the Spiritual: Abundance in Every Arena

• God’s Plan and Ownership:
  • It’s not just about having enough spiritually. God wants His people to live in visible abundance in every aspect—homes, churches, cities.
  • “God wants his people successful in every arena... every place that the sole of your foot shall tread.” (Nancy, 09:25-10:25)
  • Story of American settlements prioritizing the church on the highest ground.
• Large Thinking Supports God’s Work:
  • “Practice thinking large in your own life so that when the pastor says, There’s land for $10 million, let’s do it!” (Nancy, 12:34-12:57)

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4. Obedience, Increase, and the Role of Mindset

• Obedience Leads to More:
  • Serving and following God increases capacity and responsibility, not diminishes it.
  • “The reward of obedience is more—not less responsibility.” (Nancy, 13:46-14:49)
• Yoking to The Doer:
  • Faith means relying on God’s action and strength, not one’s own striving.
  • “I’m just yoked up to the doer, and I do based on what he shows me.” (Nancy, 14:49)

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5. Money, Mindset, and Movement

• Money is a Tool, Not a Master:
  • Don’t allow money or its absence to determine decisions—follow the plan, not the resources.
    • “Every time you look at money, it’ll rob you of faith... Money is just a circumstance.” (Nancy, 26:33-27:59)
• Faith-Based Movement:
  • Miracles and increase follow action, not passivity. Step out even if the means aren’t visible.
  • “Just make movement. Just go look at buildings… God will meet your movement of faith, not sitting back.” (Nancy, 59:16-60:18)

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6. Faith, Loans, and God’s Leading in Ownership

• On Debt and Ownership:
  • God’s best is debt-free living, but taking loans can be a God-ordained step in certain circumstances, especially in community or faith progression.
    • “Don’t turn ‘paid for’ into a bondage.” (Nancy, 53:30-54:07)
    • “God turns us into owners.” (Nancy, 58:22)
  • The critical thing is listening to the Spirit for your season—not copying others’ methods or breakthroughs.
• Practical Wisdom for Churches/Pastors:
  • Sometimes movement forward means building equity or getting a loan, if the faith and resources of the congregation aren’t yet at that level.
  • “If God tells me to get a loan, I’m getting a loan. Why? Because I’m not led by paid for, I’m led by the Spirit.” (Nancy, 53:19-53:58)

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7. Favor Over Finances

• Story: Acquiring “Amy’s Castle” by divine favor, not money.
  • “There are some things money will never get you, but favor will get it. One day of favor gets more than 400 years of labor.” (Nancy, 30:13-30:22)
• Point: Don’t haggle over God’s provision; trust His supply for both you and those involved.

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8. Faith That Takes—Not Just Waits

• Active Faith:
  • Referencing Sister Newsom and Mark 11:24, Nancy urges taking faith—believers must lay hold and “take” by faith, not sit passively.
    • “The word is not ‘receive,’ it’s ‘take’... God’s waiting for them to take it.” (Nancy, 63:33-66:24)
• Advance is for All, Not Just the Pastor:
  • The faith-mindset must permeate the congregation for corporate victories.

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9. Practical Encouragements and Faith Stories

• Testimony: Nancy’s faith confession after her husband’s passing—declaring, “The Lord is my helper,” and learning that speaking God’s word opens the door for His help (Nancy, 37:58).
• Kenneth Hagin Peach Tree Story:
  • Emphasizes movement before strength appears, “God will teach you to profit. You’re going to have to make a movement.” (Nancy, 45:15-48:52)

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10. Music, Growth, and Ministry Updates

• Worship Project Release:
  • Celebration of the completion of a new worship album, with signed posters available for preorders.
  • “The Holy Ghost helped us to give and put into your hands exactly what you hear in service.” (Morgan, 73:42)
• Ministry Reach:
  • Jesus the Healer broadcast now reaches 2.2 billion households worldwide (Nancy, 69:23-69:32).
• Partnership Call:
  • Emphasis on the consistent support and faithfulness of partners over large, sporadic gifts (Morgan, 69:58-70:35).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Thinking Higher:
  • “If we can think of it, if we can ask it, we know there’s always more above it, higher…” (Nancy, 04:16)
• On Daring Faith:
  • “God says, I dare you. I dare you. I dare you.” (Nancy, 07:19-07:29)
• On Obedience:
  • “The reward of obedience is more. The reward is not, ‘now you get to take time off.’” (Nancy, 13:46)
• On Favor:
  • “400 years of work never got for God’s people what one day of favor got them.” (Nancy, 30:14-30:22)
• On Ownership:
  • “God turns you into owners. God wants you to have more.” (Nancy, 58:22 & 59:19)
• On Borrowing and Faith:
  • “Paid for is not a bondage. If you turn it into a bondage, you’ll be paying another man’s mortgage—and that’s bad business.” (Nancy, 54:56)
• On Corporate Advancement:
  • “When God said to Moses, I’ll make of you a great nation, he declined the offer because he loved his sheep.” (Nancy, 50:48)
• On Faith Activation:
  • “What you confess activates your covenant—brag on God and watch him fulfill His covenant in your life.” (Nancy, 45:15-45:59)
• On Mindset:
  • “The mindset is far more critical than any money you’ll ever deal with… your mindset must be based on God and His plan.” (Nancy, 32:00-32:57)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:31 – Opening scripture: Ephesians 3:20
• 07:15 – “God dares us”—meaning of daring faith
• 09:25 – God’s abundance beyond spiritual matters
• 13:46 – Obedience and increase; not stepping back
• 26:33 – Being plan-minded, not money-minded
• 30:13 – Story of favor vs. money: Amy’s Castle
• 45:15 – Kenneth Hagin’s “peach tree” faith story
• 53:19 – On loans & leading of the Spirit
• 58:22 – Transitioning from renter to owner
• 62:31 – Encouragement to think bigger for 2026
• 66:24 – “Faith that takes”—not just receiving, but active laying hold
• 69:23 – Update on ministry broadcast reach
• 73:42 – Worship project story and teamwork
• 83:33 – Nancy’s dream of songs “already authored in heaven”

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the tone is energized, personable, and full of both practical and spiritual challenge. Nancy speaks directly, blending personal stories, humor (“Kick your faith in the pants!” “Do you have your faith pants on?”), and deep encouragement to stretch faith and thinking. The session weaves biblical teaching with memorable illustrations and congregation engagement, all directed at getting listeners to move, act, and think at God’s level.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode is a clarion call to believers to elevate their faith by thinking bigger, daring to “take more ground,” and refusing to let comfort, money, or tradition limit them. Pastor Nancy Dufresne uses scripture, stories, and interactive encouragement to challenge old mindsets, advocating for purposeful advancement in faith, abundance, and responsibility—personally and as a body. The session closes with joyous worship and a practical offering for a newly completed worship album, reinforcing the message of increase and faithful movement in every area of life.

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Transcript

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Everything that is in him is ours, and everything that is outside of him is not ours. Amen. That's simple. Hallelujah. Even as he is, so are we in this world, not waiting for the sweet by and by, but this is the sweet. Amen. Hallelujah. Father, we thank you. We thank you, we thank you. I'm in the Father, and he's in me. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. David, that was good today. Thank you. It's the Holy Ghost. You need to get in the shower more, brother. Hallelujah. Turn around to three or four people. Give them a great big God bless you this morning, and you can be seated. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. My mama. Hallelujah. The Lord is good, and everything of his plan is complete. And we are speaking of that completeness. Amen. And speaking of the completeness, that's what comes into manifestation, is the completeness of it. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Aren't you glad you don't have to figure it out? Because he's already completed it. So, yeah. Hallelujah. Turn with me, if you would, this morning. Ephesians, chapter three. Ephesians, chapter three in verse 20. And I'm going to start with the King James, then we'll go to the Amplified Classic. Am I loud out there? I feel loud. You can bring me back in the house, if you would. Thank you. Hallelujah. I don't want anybody sitting in pain while I'm being heard.

[David]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Ephesians, chapter three. Is that comfortable? Is that better? Yes. Ephesians, chapter three, verse 20. Now unto him. How many of you know the devil's always trying to get you to turn unto you. But now, unto him that is able to do, how many know God's a doer.

[David]

Yes.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. Yeah, He's a doer. Now, unto him that is able to do, and I love adjective after adjective to describe his doing exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that worketh in us, or to the measure that that power is working. And know this, even though he's able to do, it still involves our asking and our thinking. That's right.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

So our asking needs to be addressed and our thinking needs to be addressed. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. His ways are higher than our ways. And he's not doing that to show you how much below we are in his thinking. He's Saying you're invited up, you're invited up. So anything you can think of, you're invited up above that. So it says above all that we ask or think. Know this, that if we can ask it, right? And if we can think it, we're already below what he wants to do. Wow, Glory. We're already below it. Amen. So don't settle at what you can ask or think. Don't just get set there, but say, father, this is my starting place now. All right, all right. Now I'm going to let you jerk me up higher. You know? You know. Have you ever had God say something? You go, I would have never thought that. And he goes, yeah, I know. That's why you don't want to set your thoughts as the limit. Because really, our thoughts are his limit in that respect. But we have to be willing to say, this is what I'm thinking right now, but what are you thinking? Amen. And so whatever we can ask or think, if we can think of it, if we can ask it, we know that there's always more above it, more above it, higher. And know this. Because his thoughts are higher than our thoughts. If you can think of it, he's not using it because his thinking's higher. Amen. Praise the Lord. And God wants to do exceeding abundantly above everything you have ever asked him.

[David]

For.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Or everything you could think to ask him for. Right? The Amplified classic says now to him who by, in consequence of the action of his power that is at work within us, his power is at work with. His power is at work within us. You need to say that his power is at work.

[David]

Work.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It's at work in me right now. It's at work. He never stops working. Why? Because he's not broke, you know, it's only broke things that quit working. I'm not talking financially broke. I'm talking about inoperational.

[David]

Right? Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

So according to his power that is at work within us, is able to carry out his purpose. So we're gonna need to have his thoughts and his asking, because it's his.

[David]

Purpose.

[Nancy Dufresne]

To carry out his purpose and to do. I like this super abundantly. Far over and above all that, we dare ask or think infinitely beyond our highest prayers, infinitely beyond our highest desires. Infinitely. Meaning there's no limit. No limit, no limit. Beyond our highest thoughts, infinitely beyond our highest hopes, infinitely beyond our highest dreams. What's that mean, we?

[David]

Low.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Human thinking is low. Human thinking is low. And he invites us up now. Dare go there. Because he said dare. It's a dare. You ever had a friend say, I dare you to touch that? I dare you to take. I dare you to that in your mouth.

[David]

Come on. Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Y Y. I dare you. Go ring that doorbell.

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I dare you. Go ask her out. I dare you. God says, I dare you. I dare you. I dare you. I dare you.

[David]

He.

[Nancy Dufresne]

You dare. He's daring us. So the daring didn't stop when you grew up.

[David]

All right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Come on. That's right. Amen. God said for us, for 2026, for our ministry, it's taking more ground. How much? As much as we dare. As much as we dare. And there have been some things that have opened up before us, and we would have never thought that direction because he thought, amen. And we'll share more of it as it comes because we've taken it. Why we're taking more ground. Now. Notice this. You're not going to float into more. You're going to take more. You're not going to float into more. You're not going to get into more just because he planned it. You're going to have to dare to step into what he planned. And it's going to. Have you noticed this? Every time you obey God, you have to violate your thinking.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

You have to violate your flesh.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah. You have to. And the thing is, is that once you start doing it, it becomes easier to do it. And in fact, you realize if you're not uncomfortable in the flesh or in the reasonings. Yeah. Then you're cheating your life. Yeah. And so if you only want to live within comfort, then all you're going to do is wait for things to float to you. And they won't. And they won't. Not because God's withholding, but because the devil hinders. He seeks to hinder. And it takes us daring. We're not daring to get God to do something. We're daring to reach past every opposition that says, no, you're not going this way. Oh, yeah. You just dared me. I'm coming.

[David]

Amen. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Right?

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah. So know this. God wants his people successful in every arena. Do not just limit it to spiritual things. He wants every arena to smack of his abundance. Amen. And you're not going to offend God with having a lot. Because when he said in Joshua 1:3, Every place, every place that the sole of your foot shall tread. So. Every place, every place he offers you. Every place he offers you. Yeah. And he has us here in California. So every place, every place within our. Within. Where he has us, is available to us. And now he has us down in Texas. So we going after more stuff down there. Why? Because every place, if our feet are treading where he's directing, then nothing is off limits of that place. When God sends a pastor to a city, he intends you to have it all. Jesus told dad Hagin in a vision, he said the church building ought to be the nicest building in the city. Now that mentality used to be in place in America because anytime there were settlements, it was automatic. The highest piece of ground was handed to the church. They didn't have to buy it. It was autom. Automatically belonged to the work of God. Automatically. They didn't have to get people together and fundraise when a place was settled. This is set apart the highest place. That's why they would. You would see churches on higher hills and then that's why they would have steeples on them. Because now you can see us. And they used to have. You can go back to the historical areas of our country and you can see beautiful, beautiful buildings. Because that was the mindset. It was an honor. It was an honor with what we're dealing with. But then the devil started coming in and diminishing the honor. Amen. And anyway, we're not looking for a bargain when we're dealing with God. Amen. It ought to be what Jesus said it ought to be. So if the church ought to be the nicest building in town, shouldn't your house be the nicest at least on the block? I mean, that just stands to good thinking, right? You say, well, I'm okay with this. Well, that's fine. You know, God wants you where your joy is full. But if he offers you more, there you go.

[David]

Yes.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And I would say this. Even if your joy is full in a certain location, at least practice getting the best for the help of pastor, of helping your pastor's vision.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because if you're trying to cheat down your own life, will you bring that mindset to the vision of the pastor?

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

You see, you got to. Your life is the practice realm for the body of Christ. So practice exceeding, practice thinking large in your own life. So that when the pastor says, there's a piece of land over here, $10 million, let's do it, Pastor. Because you're already in the mindset of why not?

[David]

Why not?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Instead of why? Exactly. Because God's already abundantly above exceeding everything and daring us to come into his thinking. Amen. Hallelujah. So Isaiah, chapter 48 and verse 17 Isaiah, chapter 48. In verse 17, just know this. There's no such thing as not advancing if you're moving with God. Everything with God is more. Can I tell you? The reward of obedience is more. The reward of obedience is not. Now you get to take time off, Right?

[David]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because when the master was going on a trip and he called his servant, he gave to one servant ten talents. He gave to another servant, five talents. He gave to the one, another servant, one talent came back and reckoned with him the one who didn't do anything with the one. He said, give that to the one who was faithful with the 10. So what is the reward of obedience is he gives you more to obey him in. You understand that? So don't step back. Some people want to downsize or downscale or they want less responsibility. That's not the mindset of faith. I'm not looking for less responsibility. Why? Because in faith, I understand the pressure of. It's on him. He's the doer. I just get to ride and watch what he does. I'm just yoked up to the doer, and I do based on what he shows me to do. But I wouldn't even know what to do if I wasn't yoked up to the doer.

[David]

That's right. That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because he is able to do. He is able to do exceeding abundantly. Now, if he's able to do exceeding abundantly, why do you think he. Why would he lower himself to just rely on your doing?

[David]

Come on.

[Nancy Dufresne]

No, our doing is to. Is to be a reflection of what he's already doing. That's right. That's right. He initiates and authors the doing, and we just replicate.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. And if we're going with him, we're always going more, more, more, more. And can I say this? I was thinking of this on the way in today. Our base giving should every, all the time be increasing. You know what I mean by base giving? When I go to a service, there's a base amount. I just won't pull out a dollar.

[David]

I just want.

[Nancy Dufresne]

That would be an insult to what God has put in me. So there's a base amount. And do you know the Holy Ghost set that base amount for me? He said, I want you giving at least this. Why I go, oh, every time? Or just special meeting. And it was every time. Why? Because that base level should be rising. You know, when I bring in Brother Copeland or brother Jesse or like Dr. Winston is coming in, I don't want to give Them what I gave them last year. I'm saying I'm where I was. I'm not trying to oppress them. I am putting a demand that I am not staying stuck at a level. And sometimes you can get stuck. And we need to evaluate. It's not about getting money out of people. It's getting unstuck.

[David]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Come on.

[David]

Amen. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because you can think, well, that's enough for what level? Right. It might have been enough for last year's level. But don't assume that God wants you doing exactly what you've always done, or you'll stay exactly where you are. We're taking more. And that taking needs to show up in what I'm giving, what I'm sowing, what I'm saying, what I'm believing for, what I'm participating in. Amen. Hallelujah. So Isaiah, chapter 48, verse 17, the King James translation says, I am the Lord thy God. Look at this. Which teacheth thee to profit? Hallelujah. How do we profit? The next phrase tells us, which leadeth thee by the way that thou should go. We follow his leading. That's how we profit. That we should go. Not the way that's convenient to go, not the way that's easiest on our flesh to go, but the way we should go. You train up a child in the way they should go, not the way they want to go, the way they should go. And God's doing the same with us. He's leading us in the way we should go. But notice this. He said, he teacheth thee to profit. So don't be stuck on what your family taught you, because he'll teach you further. Thank God for how your family taught you. But there's further. Don't just say, this is the way I've always done it. This is the way I've always thought. This is the way I've always operated. But is that the way he's teaching you? Because when he teaches you, there's increase. What do they say when scientists, you know, they look out into outer space and they say more galaxies keep showing up. Why? Because God knows nothing about stopping. His words don't have an ending point. Why? That means they quit producing. There's nothing of God that quits in production. It's constantly producing. Amen. So he teacheth thee to profit. I was a pastor friend of mine. We've been texting back and forth. He's in another. He's been in another country. I don't know if he is there or now, but he Heard me preaching a little bit on this, and he sent me this. And I said, I'm gonna preach it and I'm going to let people know that you were involved, but I'm not saying your name. And then next month, it's completely off the bat. Your name is nowhere near. And he said, in the Hebrew, the word prophet. Remember, it says, the Lord thy God teacheth thee to profit. The Hebrew meaning is climb, ascend, excelling, gaining ground, rising above circumstances. He teaches you to live above circumstances. Hallelujah. Because it's circumstances that try to stop you from moving forward. So he teaches you how to live unaffected by those circumstances. So you keep moving forward because it's circumstances that stop people in their progress. So Paul said, one translation. I have learned how to live independent of circumstances. But if circumstances are our talk, our focus, where our attention is, then they become our director. They direct us on how far we can go. They're leading us. So God says, I will teach you how to live beyond circumstances. Jesus operated and lived beyond circumstances. He had circumstances that arose, but they weren't his.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. Praise the Lord. So God, what's this mean when he says, I'll teach you to profit? He wants us to raise our levels, improve our quality of life, and help us take more. Help us take higher ground. What about this taking higher assignments? If we won't take higher ground, how can we have further assignments? Amen. I was listening to Brother Jesse the other day again. I've heard him say it before, but when he said this, he was talking about. He said, God, why do you keep dealing with me about building buildings? Jesus is coming. Save me that trouble.

[David]

Right?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. And God said, because you're not building everything for this era, this age. And then he said, God said to him, you're only going away for dinner, then you're coming back.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Seven days. I'll be gone a week. A week. Seven.

[David]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He said, you're just leaving for dinner, then you're coming back for all you foodies, a seven year sinner. Wow. Pastor Joel over here, he gave me so much revelation. He said, jesus, what is a foodie? I'm the bread alive. And what else did he say? He's multiplying loaves and fishes. We never saw him just multiply money. It was loaves and fish. It was foodies. He's a foodie. And when he, after he was, you know, resurrected, they came. The disciples came. And he was cooking. Yes, he was. I said, ladies, Mary, man, it's cooking. If he wants to be like Jesus, if he can't cook, he's not quite like Jesus. You need to keep going. What else, Pastor Joel?

[Morgan]

Is there anything else that he's a living water.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He's a living water brother. He's a beverage of everything, refreshing you.

[Morgan]

Even when we represent him in communion.

[Nancy Dufresne]

In communion? Yeah. He used food to represent. I would be okay if he used cats and dogs, you know, get another dog. And that's a sign that you know that. Yeah, yeah, but he used food. He's a foodie. And did I leave out anything? And then at the end when he.

[Morgan]

Gets us, we have the big dinner.

[Nancy Dufresne]

We have the big dinner. He's taking us home not to do work, but to go eat.

[David]

Hey, there you go. There you go.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. So Brother Jesse said, okay, then I'll keep building. You know, that's why, because we're so. What we know of this age minded. But he's got us doing things that is going, we're going. You take your faith with you to dinner and when you come back you can say, look.

[David]

What?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Look what? Look what's already waiting. And then he said, Brother Jesse said, God told him, call your lawyer. And he said, ask him what? He said, just call the lawyer. He said, I don't know what I'm asking him. He said, call the lawyer. And then when he got his lawyer on the phone, it came to him what to ask him. And he said, whenever someone is missing, how long is it before legally anyone can take over their properties? And he said, seven years. Seven years. That you cannot be declared legally dead if you're missing till seven years. So that your property is still in your name for seven years. So get it now. Get it now. Because after dinner everybody gonna be ready to go get stuff. And you say, no, I already got my stuff. Get back off my stuff.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because people say it doesn't really matter. It matters for more than today. It matters for more than what we're, what age we're in. It matters for where we're going with eternity. Amen. And if we're not taking it now, we're not going to have the proof. The fruit. There you go. People just say, well, I just, you know, I just don't want any responsibility. But this is not about here and now. We've never just lived for the now.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

God is always leading us based on the fullness of his plan, not just one aspect of his plan. Amen. So what's that mean? Kick your faith in the pants and let's get going.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

There's never a settling down time because I'm getting older, I'm retired. Retired people die.

[David]

That's it.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes, they do. And they die quickly. Amen. If you want to change professions, that's fine. But don't retire because God doesn't make anything to quit working. Everything God creates works. And if you're not working, you're out of the plan of God. Well, I'm living by faith.

[David]

Then you got.

[Nancy Dufresne]

You're out working. Cause faith people work. You've heard my son say, if you don't, if you don't have a job, if you don't work, I doubt God talks to you. That's pretty scriptural. Because God's not. God's not steering something parked. That's right. That's right.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Well, praise the Lord. What's that mean? Producing. Producing. Producing. Herein is my Father glorified that you are bear much fruit. The measure of fruit matters much fruit. Amen. So he teaches us. He teaches us to profit. He teaches us to take more. He teaches us to advance. He teaches us to believe for more, ask for more, think more. Because it's not just for this time.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. Praise the Lord. I've found this out. The more you think about money, the harder it comes. Oh yeah. The less you think about money, the easier it comes. If you will be plan minded. The plan's already funded and the funds will meet you if you'll be moving with the plan instead of moving with your resources. Amen. But so many people are governed. Everything, everything is calculated. Calculated. And you just know this. The plan is so peaceful. There's no troubling in the plan. There's no troubling in the plan. Just be plan minded. This is what God said. This is what God said. This is what God said. This is what God said. So the money has to come. And I tell you, the more you look at money, it'll take faith out of you. Look at the plan. Look at what God said. Hold to what God said. Said. Because money is nothing but a circumstance. And we're not led by circumstances. We're to live independent of circumstances. And it's nothing but a circumstance. Amen. And that's why that first generation of Hebrews did not enter in. Why? Because they were governed by circumstance. That they chose to look at that God authorized them to live above. That's right. He didn't talk to them about giants. They talked about. They talked about giants.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He talked to them about the land that was theirs and what it would produce. And instead of talking about giants that were too big to conquer, they should have said, giants build bigger houses. Let's go get them. They have bigger beds, they have bigger resources. Everything is giant. Let's get what. And that's exactly what Caleb said. Give me my mountain. And that was where the giants were. And he didn't ask for city. He said, cities.

[David]

Cities.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Old covenant. Not as good as ours. The man is asking for himself. Cities. Cities. I'll pay whatever I gotta pay to get what I'm going after. Because money is nothing but a tool to serve the plan.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. Don't dumb down the plan based on money. Money is to serve the plan.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. And he'll teach you to think in those terms, if you will. He offers you that thing. Don't be money minded. Be plan minded. I don't care how much something costs. If that's the plan, I'll pay it. I don't care. Whenever I sent word to the owners of Amy's castle, it was not for sale. But a lady that I had come in contact with that was in, you know, went to the church that owned it, and she was part of the leadership. I said, would you please let the pastor know I would like to buy the castle. So three months later, he called me and he said I had never met him before and very precious man, kind, sweet man. And he said, he called and I said, pastor, I said, I know that Amy's castle is not for sale, but I'm interested in buying it. And he said, you're right, it's not for sale. But he says, I know of your ministry. So he said, because it's you, I will sell it to you. Well, what is that favor? Yes, it is favor. Because there were people, Hollywood people and all kinds of others who have tried to buy it and they wouldn't sell it because there are some things money will never get you, but favor will get it. And I love what Dr. Win said. 400 years of work never got for God's people what one day of favor got them.

[David]

Amen. That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

They handed him all the gold and the silver in one day. Favor got them what they couldn't get in 400 years of labor.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And so that's exactly what I saw happening, is that he'll teach you how to profit, and it's based on God getting involved. His favor moves and you'll profit. His favor moves. You'll increase. Amen. And so anyway, listen to our conversation. I'm not bragging on me, but I'm talking about a mindset you have to carry. He said to me, he said, nancy, I have no idea how much the property is worth. I knew they had put in two and a half million into it. And he said, I have no idea how much it's worth. And he said, nancy, what do you think it's worth? I said, pastor, I said, I don't know. And I said, really? God told me, that's my house. So whatever you ask, I will pay. Because God said it's my house. And if he said it's my house, then the money is not the issue. It's what God said is the issue. God said, that's my house. So whatever you ask, I will pay. Why? This is a brother. I'm not trying to jab a brother. I'm not trying to get a. I'm not trying to get a good deal off of a brother because the plan is enough to bless me and my brother. Now, I'm not gullible and I'm not a fool, but he wasn't taking advantage of me, and I'm letting him know I'm not. He said, nancy, what would you like to pay? I said, pastor, whatever price you set. Why? Because I'm not looking to use you to make it easy for my faith. God's not looking to hand you an easy faith project. He's going to do what's best for your faith, not what's easiest for your faith. And it's so important that that man recognize I'm not trying to get something for myself at your expense. I don't have to get something at someone else's expense because the plan is funded. It's already funded. It's already funded. And I mean, it was a miracle price that I was offered. God told me, I'm going to do a miracle for you. And it was a miracle price. Miracle price. And what. But I firmly see it's not just about the money. It's the mindset that's more critical than the money. The mindset is far more critical than any money you'll ever deal with. It's the mindset. And so many people are so entrenched that their mindset is based on resources. Your mindset must be based on God and his plan. Amen. And I've said, I'm so grateful, really. We live in California because we're forced to deal with big numbers and people that live in the Midwest. God Bless you for being able to buy. I mean, what is it? Down in there's Pawnee right there. And his dad was going to build it.

[David]

Was.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It was the church building. Was it the church building or was it a business?

[David]

We were. Yes, ma'. Am.

[Nancy Dufresne]

That one was a building. They were renovating. They were renovating a building. So he goes to the city and he says, you know what? I need a permit or whatever from the city to build this. And he says, well, what are you building? He pulled out a napkin and drew it for him and he says, yeah, that'll be okay. It's five years here, baby. Five years to get a plan through the city, and it's not on napkins.

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I'm not offended. But there's a mindset because you're dealing with numbers and it forces you to see numbers and not choke. And I am grateful for that aspect because I am funded for where God put me to live. So it's not. And it's all relative anyway. It's all relative anyway. People make more money out here costs more. Out here, everything costs more, but we make more. It's all relative. What's it mean? Everything God tells you to do is going to call for your faith, regardless of the economy or the region you live in. Get free from money. Quit thinking about it. Every time you look at money, it will rob you of faith, because faith doesn't come from money. Don't look at what doesn't give you faith. Money doesn't put faith in you. Look at billionaires. They don't got more faith just because they got more money. No, no, no. In fact, Jesus said it's harder for people with money. Why? Because their faith shifts off of God onto what their resources are. He's not telling you you can't have resources. He's saying, know where to place your faith. Paul said, I know how to abound and I know how to be abased. He's not saying, I know how to do without. I know how to do with law. He's saying, I know I keep my faith on God. Whether there's more than enough or whether there's not enough. My faith, I know how my faith is on God. I'm unchangeable. It doesn't matter to me if something is low or something is high because my faith is fixed on him and not on the rising or the lowering of my resources. That's what he means. He's not saying you need to be a based because there are a lot of people who don't Know how to live abased.

[David]

Well, praise God.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I've been a base my whole life. I know how to live abased. No, you don't. Because if you're complaining, you still don't know. That's right.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Well, praise the lord. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Dr. Sumrall used to say this. He said when you said yes to God, you said yes to challenges. And I love what Dr. Winston said. He says, I'm a problem solver. That's what I'm here on the earth to do. I'm a problem solver. So don't complain about the problems. You're there with the wisdom of God to fix what other people don't know how to fix. And if you don't know it, if you don't realize that complainers complain their way out of God's best.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It's a bad habit. I don't have this and I don't have that. Talk about what you do have and watch what shows up. Amen. Hallelujah. God does not deal in money. He deals in faith. You better learn it. He doesn't deal in money. He deals with. So when God shows you something and it's far beyond your resources, that's because it's not far beyond the resources of faith. Hallelujah. God intends for us to have it all. What is having it all? All that came out of him, all that he planned, all that he dreamed and imagined for you. Amen. Two weeks after my husband went home to be with the Lord, I was there in the entry area of my home. And out of my mouth came these words before I even realized I was speaking them out. And I spoke. The Lord is my. I will boldly say, the Lord is my helper. That scripture just came up. I will boldly say, the Lord is my helper. I wasn't thinking it. It just came out. And then when I said it out loud, God said, do you know how I help you? I said, tell me, how do you help me? He said, the more you put my word in your mouth, the more I'm able to help you. So I measure his help by what I'm speaking. Amen. He was letting me know I don't help you because you're a widow. Right?

[David]

Right. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I help you because you're faith. That's right. It's faith that opens the door for him to help. Amen. Hallelujah. So the more we have his word in our mouth, the more help from God we have moving. The less we speak, the Word, the less he's able to help us. Amen. Listen, your life is a picture of what you're responding to. Look, right now, your life is a picture of everything you're responding to. Because really, the Word is about responding to it. Faith is about responding. Responding to God. Responding to what God said. And the Hebrews being held out of that promised land was based on their response. It wasn't based on anything with God. It was what they were responding to. Amen. To come up higher, we have to change our response, which means we change how we think. And he will teach us. I mean, because we think we're right on a certain area and we might have been right for that season, but now we're in another season. It calls for different thinking.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hallelujah. Amen.

[Morgan]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And know this. Know this, Jude. It says, earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered to the saints. Then he talked about men coming in and polluting that faith. What's he talking about? The original version, not the modified version that human reasoning comes up with and calls it faith. What God calls faith. What does God call faith? Acting on the Word.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Acting on the word. That's what God calls faith. Amen. So notice this. Earnestly contend for the faith. These are not passive words. Earnestly contend. Why? There's enemies, there's opposition to your faith. Why? Because heaven deals in the currency of faith. And the devil's going to attack your faith wallet. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Dad Hagin made this statement. It is a constant warfare to walk by faith. He's saying you're never going to arrive where something's not opposing you. It's a constant standing your ground, a constant holding fast. But do you know men who are trained for battle? They love battle. They love David's mighty men, loved the battle. What was it, that one guy by himself? They could. They had to pry the sword out of his hand after he had how many. Do you remember? How many did he slew? Slay? Somebody tell me.

[Morgan]

7 or 800.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah, it was hundreds by himself. I guarantee you he loved frothing at the mouth. He loved going after. And he got to go back talking big. Everybody go, don't mess with Bubba. Don't mess with Bubba. Don't touch his food. Don't touch his food. But I guarantee you he did not see that and go, oh, he loves God, strengthens you for more. That's divine strength. That's not human strength doing that. That's God coming on a Man doing what he's authored by God to do. I want you to know you are authored to fulfill the plan God authored. And God will empower you in that movement. The more you move, the more he moves. And if you'll move when God's moving, you'll get everything he has for you. Amen. I told our congregation when we paid off this building, we are in a momentum, a payoff. Get in that momentum. This is the wonderful thing about belonging to the right church family. You step into a flow that's beyond what you can generate by yourself. And Ed would get up so much of the time and he would tell our congregation, buy land, buy land, buy land. Do whatever you have to do. Buy land. Because he'd recognize the momentum in prophets. Not P R O f I T but P r O P H E T. They would have words of the Lord about seasons to come and God will help things change hands. Why? Because the wealth of the sinner, it's laid up. It's laid up for the just. Where's it laid up? With the sinner.

[David]

Right? Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It's laid up with them. And God will give you divine ideas of how that transfer happens. And it's not by dishonoring the man, but it's by moving with the direction of the Holy Ghost. And there's a transfer that blesses everyone. Amen. Because as I said last night or some service yesterday morning, I don't know, when it says that Satan is the God of this world, you have to put in the right word. Satan is the God of this world system, not of the goods. The cattle on a thousand hills belongs to the Lord. Amen. And as Phil Halverson used to say, God knows when to take one to the to slaughter.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. And he has given the earth to the children of men. He's given it to us. And I'm not talking about unreasonable unsoundness. I'm talking about everything the plan of God holds. Dream with God and go there and quit trying to live comfortable because there's nothing more fun than the faith ride. I tell you what, you get addicted to a faith flow because you start seeing God do things all around. And all God needs is movement. He needs you to just move, move, move, move. I've noticed this Miracles never showed up. Just reading my Bible. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly right. You have to do something. I'm not dishonoring reading. I'm saying the Bible is to put in us, showing us what God will do. But it's the movement that the strength of God, the power of God gets into. One of my absolute favorite stories of dad Hagin's is the peach tree story. Absolute one of my favorites. He's raised up off of his deathbed. He weighed at, what is it, 87 pounds, 89 pounds, high 80s, and he's over six foot tall. He was skeletal and he needed a job. It's during the Depression. He gets up off of his deathbed and there's a man who owns a peach tree company that means that they plant peach trees. They'd let them grow for two years and then they'd sell the trees to buyers. And so he had to get young boys to go out there and they had to work that tree out of the ground. They couldn't just. It's not a chopping. You had to get it up with the root system and everything. They didn't have all the equipment that we have today. It was done by hand. And those were deep rooted. And he said, you know, he got young boys to do it because it's so physical. And he gave Kenneth Hagin a job weighing in his late, you know, high 80 pounds, 87, 89 pounds, and looking like a skeleton. And brother Hagin said, you know, I did my part because he said after he offered me a full time job and I was the only one he offered a full time job to, he said he was saying it wasn't just a mercy hiring. Right, right. He said I was producing.

[David]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And so anyway, he said I had to get up at dark. And he said, you go down to the corner and he would send the truck to come pick up all the kids. They would gather at a certain lot and they would get in the back of this truck, they would go out to the farm where it was. And he said you had to be there because of the, the first light of day. You got to be on a tree because it's so hot there and humid and you'd have to work while it's cool. And so he said I would wake up in the morning and I would feel like I don't have the strength to get out of bed. He's healed now, but he's still got to believe God for the strength of every day. So he said I felt like I couldn't get out of bed. And he says it took everything within me to get dressed. And he said then I'd get down to the corner and he'd. He says I would get in the truck. And he said they would take bets among the boys, well, who's gonna fall out today? Because the heat and the humidity and the hard physical labor. There'd be one that'd pass out and he wouldn't come back. He quits that job. And so they would say, well, he said there was. I think his name was Alvin. He said he weighed 220 pounds. He's a big old guy, you know, for that being as young as he was. And he said, well, I'll tell you what. When this old 220 is left standing in the field, there won't be another man standing because this 0220 will be in the field standing alone. And brother Hagin said, alvin, God is stronger than 220 pounds. And the Lord is the strength of my life. And he would declare it, and he would claim it. And know this, what you confess activates your covenant. That's why many are wanting the covenant activated. And they've never bragged on God. Yet you brag on God and watch him fulfill his covenant in your life. God does not just take your human strength and elevate it. He gives you his strength. The Lord is the strength. He doesn't just give the strength. He is the strength. He's the strength of that assignment. He's the strength of your resources. He's the strength of your ability. He is the strength of it. And so he said, alvin, he said, because what he's saying is you're going to be laid out, too, he said, there won't be another man standing with this 020 left in the field. And he said that day Alvin fell out, and he said I was the only man left standing that started with the original group. And he said I would go to take hold of that first peach tree. And he said I did not have any strength in me. But he said as soon as I would take hold of the tree and, say, start working, one guy would get on the other side and there'd be two guys that would just work. That's all they did. They just sat and worked that thing loose. And he said, one would get on one side, I'd get on the other. And he said, every time by the first tree, it wasn't when he's getting out of bed. It wasn't when he was getting dressed. It wasn't when he's down there at the lot waiting for the ride. It wasn't when he's in the truck. It's when he started moving with the work. Moving with the work. He said, I would feel something like hot honey hit me in the top of the head. He said it would go down over my body and I would work in that strength all day long. It was divine strength. He said if it didn't come by the first tree, it always came by the second tree. Always. But he didn't just sit and wait in bed. He didn't just lay in bed and wait to feel strength. He got up and I want you to know, God will teach you to profit. He'll teach you that you're going to have to make a movement. And there are too many pastors doing without building. God's not teaching you to pay another man's mortgage for decades.

[Morgan]

Come on, now.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. You gotta make movement. You gotta follow. Believe God that he's got your own. Every place the sole of your foot will tread. He intends to turn you into owners. I'm not rebuking. I'm encouraging. With a little bit of a kick in the pants. Because I was. I was raised with a man who refused to pay another man's bills when he could be paying his own. And I want you to know there is such thing as good debt.

[Morgan]

Yes, that's right.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Don't go by just what God may tell someone. Go by what God tells you. Go by what God tells you. Go by what God tells you. It is God's best that we live debt free. But I want you to know there is a process of people's faith. And not only that, if a congregation is going to be debt free, it just can't be the pastor who thinks debt free. Congregation's got to get a hold of it. When we were building this building, God said to my husband, there is not the money or the faith in the congregation to do that. Go get a loan. Because it's not just about a man. And I've heard pastors stand up and say, bless God. I'll do it by myself. And I watched them not do it by themselves. Because God's not intending any man go in without his congregation. And it's not the pastor's heart. Because when God said to Moses, I'll make of you a great nation, he declined the offer because he loved his sheep. Amen. And he stayed out with sheep that would not go in. I'm not saying that you have to stay out. I'm saying this. God intends you all go. And sometimes it's not just about you having the right mentality. The others have to have the right mentality. But don't do without advancing while they're all growing.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Meaning this. If you have to get along. Get along. Because anytime you're building equity, that's good business. And that is this world system, whether you like it or not. Now, I'm going to say something. I don't know how popular it's going to be or how much you're going to like it. God has brought this ministry to a place where what we have is paid for. Okay? That's not so. You can be proud of yourself. That's not so. You say, look what my faith did. No, God did that. Yeah, God did. And you have to watch how we testify. We can't testify congratulating our faith because it's God's faith we're using anyway. It's not even your own. He has given us the measure of God's own faith. Amen. Praise the Lord. Hand me this. What is God? What's the measure of God's faith? Right here. This is the measure.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He's given us all of it, all of this. None of this measure has been held off limits to you. This is the measure. Anything that's in here, you have. That's the measure. Amen. And so we were able to pay off this building. God blessed us that those eight projects that Ed had started, I mean, that was a man of action. How many projects would you leave behind? That's faith. He wasn't planning on leaving, but he left and left us assignments.

[David]

Yes, ma'. Am. Yes, ma'. Am.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And it didn't hurt us. I mean, he got us addicted to a miracle flow because within a year, every one of them were completed and paid for. The only thing left was the paying off of this building. It wasn't required by the end of that year, but the one. And then of course, we were able to help of God to pay that off. But that was 1.7 million. That's all that our faith had laid hold of. But now there's other projects in front of us that are multiple millions. And you can't jump from 1.7 to 10. You understand that? It's a faith walk. It's a faith walk. But that doesn't mean you have to stay back at 1.7. You keep moving. But if God tells me to get a loan, I'm getting loan.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Why? Because I'm not. I'm not led by paid for.

[David]

Come on. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Now pay attention to that. Because some people say I won't buy it if it's not paid. If I have the money to pay for it, then you're being led by paid for. And money is telling you whether you can advance or not. I'm led by the Spirit. I'm led by the Spirit. You're led by the Spirit. And don't turn paid for into a bondage. And you can't go anywhere because you're waiting for paid for. That's revelation.

[David]

Come on. Amen. That's good. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because God said he'll turn you into a. Not just a borrower and lender. So borrowing can't be wrong, Right?

[David]

Right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

But it's a process to go from being a borrower to a lender. And you have to think right. And not everybody's gonna think right overnight. But God still wants you to have a house. So he'll use the devil's money to get you your house.

[David]

That's right. That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Don't get into bondage to any truth. Because truth is freeing, not bondage. I am not talking you down to a low, saying, don't stay where you're at, waiting for the highest to show up. It is a progression. It's a progression. First the blade, then the ear, then the full corn in the ear. Just keep moving. God is more pleased with somebody getting alone and moving ahead than somebody sitting stationary waiting for the money to drop in the mailbox.

[David]

Come on. Come on.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Hallelujah. You're right, Pastor.

[Morgan]

You're helping us.

[David]

Come on.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Paid for is not a bondage. And if you turn it into a bondage, you'll be paying another man's mortgage. And that's bad business. To rent and rent and rent. Because you're not getting in debt, but you own nothing. Bad debt. That's bad debt. And dad Hagin taught us, if you're meeting your bills, you're not in debt. That's right, God. Why would God tell my husband and I to borrow money if it was against him? No, it's not the best. But you understand, we're not in this race alone. We're bringing others. But that doesn't mean we have to bypass opportunities. Because we're waiting for paid for faith.

[David]

Yes.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Very good wisdom. You have to balance this thing. I'm led by the spirit, Spirit. I'm not led by paid for. Paid for is not a worthy lead or guide. Only the Holy Ghost is. Only the Holy Ghost is. But yet, thank God for these men of God who have challenged our faith and said, quit living in a mindset of owing.

[David]

Yeah. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Thank God. Thank God for Brother Copeland. And thank God for brother Jesse and Dr. Winston. And all these. But this and that mall. I don't know if Dr. Winston will talk about it. We got to go tour that. I flew up there just to tour it. Why? Because I want to get on something further than me to go where I need to go. That Property is almost 1 1/2 million square feet. Just that mall, I believe he paid 5.5 million, is that right? And now it's over a billion dollars. And he got a loan. And he got a loan to have now is I got over a billion dollars and somebody says, not unless I have the money to pay cash. Then you're going to let somebody else take that and just get wealthy. And you should have had it. But you were following money and not following the spirit.

[David]

That's right.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Freedom, freedom, freedom. Come on, preach. Listen. God's best is divine healing, divine health. Never have to use medicine, never have to go to the doctor, never have to have a surgery. But thank God for medicine that kept us alive. While we're believing that. While we're believing.

[David]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Nancy Dufresne]

While we're growing that it's the same thing financially. Same thing financially. Amen. And I want you to know, if I take a loan, if God told me to do that, that's who I'm in covenant with. God said to do that. I am in covenant with God in obeying if he tells me to get a loan. If we didn't have a loan, we wouldn't have this right now. We wouldn't have paid for 18 to 20 million dollar properties. Wouldn't have it. I'm not against paid for. I'm for being led. And I'm saying some are just waiting for, paid for, paid for, paid for. But they're not there yet. And their congregation isn't there yet. But God doesn't want you funding another man when you can fund the plan he authored for you.

[David]

Yes.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

God turns us into owners. The first thing he did for those slaves when he freed them out of Egypt was turn them into owners. That's what he talked to them about. There's a land I have for you. What you've been living on isn't yours. Get off of that. But take everything of it with you when you leave. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. It's a thinking issue. It's a thinking issue. Don't let how God led someone else be your lead. We can learn some things, but you have to listen to how God tells you with no guilt, no condemnation. Amen. Because I know this. In all the years of 25 years that I pastored this church, there were a lot of, we have a lot of single mommas. And if they hadn't gotten alone, they wouldn't have owned a place for their.

[David]

Children.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because they were just trying to believe God to get their children fed and everything else. We said, go get a loan, buy a home. Buy a home. Don't pay off an apartment building. That's fine for an interim period, but when it comes to the long run, when it comes to the extended time, God wants you owning it all. Every place the sole of your foot shall tread, he'll give it to you. Amen. God turns you into owners. God wants you to have more. Amen. And so many times pastors are just waiting for money to show up. Make movement, just make movement. Just go look at buildings because they will not just drop on you. You know, people will say they're dickers. Somebody's going to give me a house or somebody's going to give me a business. Somebody's going to give me a building. Don't wait for that. That's poverty mentality. Go after it. God will meet your movement of faith. Not sitting back. I'm not a charity case.

[David]

Amen. That's right. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I'm faith Case. And sometimes people get that claim because they don't want to do anything. But I tell you, there's nothing like a fun ride of faith. There is nothing like, woo, baby, you get up in the morning, woo. We gonna have to start praising and keep those circumstances.

[David]

Shut up.

[Nancy Dufresne]

It's not just roller coasters where the hands go up. It's faith rides. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Taking more ground. Taking more ground. I'm trying to talk you into it. God's trying to talk us all into it. Amen. Hallelujah. But so many of us live like this. And God, what did God say? Abraham, go outside.

[David]

Look up.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Look beyond my house, my apartment, my business, my children, my car. Look up. Why? If you won't look up for your life, at least look up for the vision of your pastor. Because the pastor is affected by who will go and won't go with him. And you say, well, bless God, I got the faith. Well, God won't let you use your faith to leave his people out because Moses didn't do it. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. I'm from Oklahoma, where I'm from. From Chip Brim taught us, people say, where you from? I'd say California. He said, no, where you from from? That means before you were California, you were Oklahoma. He said that you're from, from. Some of you gonna have to say, where you from? From from, from, from, from, from. Because you know we're transiting in this generation, Right? You used to. You could just say, where am I from? But now it's from, from. And now some of you, it's, brrr. Wherever we from, we're all headed the right direction.

[David]

Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

All your help today, I'm trying to talk you in. Anything you can ask or think, it's already below. It's already below. What God will exceedingly, abundantly do for you. And I am so excited about Dr. Winston coming tonight. And I love that he talks about. God told me to go get a loan. It's all about just what God said. Just what does God say? What does God say? What does God say? And you know what? God won't permit me to do what he used to permit in previous seasons. But that's not what he's saying to you.

[David]

Yes, ma'. Am. Yes, ma'. Am. Yes, ma'. Am.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. So don't take how God has led another man say, well, I have to be at his level. No, because you're not in his season. That's right. Amen.

[David]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Nancy Dufresne]

That's how God's leading certain people. Listen, God wants us in his best. And it is a process of faith.

[David]

Yes.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I love what Brother Copeland says. Faith is a discipline. And what Sister Gloria said, with consistency lies victory. And we're learning consistency. Amen. So we can advance the way God wants. Advance. But what I'm saying, you don't have to do without until you arrive at full faith. Use the resources of this world. Paul said. He said everything is yours. He said, the world is yours. What for you to use. Not for the world to use you, but you use the world. Yeah. Because God created this world and all the good things of it. He didn't create the devil's system. But God will turn us into a success right in the middle of the devil's system. If we'll follow him, he will teach us in the way to go. So don't assume you already know the way because you heard what God said to another man. You have to know what God is saying to you. What is God saying to you? What is God saying to you? And I'm not led by anything but the spirit. I'm not led by money. I'm not led by whether there's not enough. And I'm not led by whether there's more than enough. If I say I'm going to buy that because I got more than enough money. I've run into situations where I've had opportunities offer me, and I got more than enough money. But it doesn't mean it's a plan of God. You're not led by. You're not led. Well, I got enough money to do that. I'm going to do that. You can get in a mess doing that and you lose what you got. But we're not led by whether we have it or whether we don't have it. I'm talking about within our resources. But we talk about, and we're led by the spirit. He's our lead. He's the genius that we're following. Amen. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. So in 2026, decide what are you taking that you didn't, that you weren't even thinking of taking? You have to take it. And his sister Newsom wrote in her book Faith that Takes, she has a chapter called the Life of Faith. You need to get hold of that book. If you don't have it. I don't know if we have it out there. You can get it online or whatever, but she has a chapter called the Faith that Takes. Brother Hagin fed on her materials when he was raised up off his deathbed. She brings out in Mark 11:24 that it says what things ever you desire, when you pray, believe, you receive them. She said in the Hebrew or the Greek, that word is not receive. It's take what things have you desire when you believe and when you pray, believe that you take it. Take it. So people are waiting for something to show up, and God's waiting for them to take it. We have to take. Take the things that are in the plan of God, not just float into them. You don't float into them. You take them. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, I'll be back later. After Dr. Winston, maybe we'll get more on some stuff because we're going to tell you how. We can't just say, take it, take it, take it. We're going to start talking about how to take it.

[David]

Amen. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Now, we're just trying to talk you into taking it. It's a huge deal. God couldn't talk his people into taking it. I mean, he even told him, but he couldn't get them on the page of taking. But we're on the page of taking now, Right? Right. We're kicking ourself in the pants. We're kicking ourself in our faith pants. Moving along. Moving along. We can say this. Do you have your faith pants on? Amen.

[David]

Why?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because you can take a kick in the faith pants whenever you're in faith. You don't get offended. You get encouraged.

[David]

Right?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Amen. Hallelujah. And you know what? You want to get around people who got more than you. Not so you can wish that they didn't have it. So you can say, if God will do it for them, God will do that that much more for me. Amen. Get rid of this idea. I shouldn't have it that night. So said the devil. So said the devil.

[David]

That's right. That's right. Amen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Because he ain't got it nice. He's a tormented being. He doesn't want you having it. God wants you to have everything he dreamed for you. Hallelujah. And he wanted you to have it so much, he provided already in Christ and said, now draw out as you will. Amen. Hallelujah.

[David]

Hallelujah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Morgan, is there anything else we need to say to them? I think there's some announcements. There are announcements. Did we do offering? David, you didn't do offering. I thought you were going to do offering. You were starting to sing. Do an offering. Well, you need to come up. Do offering. Come on. Don't hold that out in front of it.

[David]

Come on.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Do offerings. I want to hear what you come. What song you come with.

[David]

Up.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Up with now.

[Morgan]

Praise the Lord. A man's harvest in this life.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Is predicated by what he sows. Nothing more than nothing less. So we want to give you an opportunity to sow. You know, I. I hope, Pastor, before this meeting is over, I don't know when, but I saw a few graphs and charts and statistics, the amount, percentage wise, of the increase that has taken place in so many areas of this ministry. And when Pastor said a minute ago, you want to get around and stay around and link up, hook up, connect with people who are increasing. You don't want to hook up with somebody that's decreasing. You don't want to hook up with somebody that's saying, if you don't give, we're going under. What you're going to go under with or without me, if that's your mindset and that's your mentality. But perhaps, hopefully that you know, before the meeting's over. Guys, this minute, differing ministries, Jesus the healer is increasing literally all over the world. How many realize that we're not only on the Victory Channel, but are on daystar? What are the numbers? Can you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Can you tell us that we're at with that we're at 2.2 billion, potentially 2.2 billion households in every nation now. Every nation.

[Morgan]

2.2 billion households. And that's just on Daystar, right?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes, yes, that's just. But we duplicate, you know, in other nations, of course, with the other outlets. Yeah, yeah.

[David]

So increase.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

You know, Ed, if, you know, I know people come to a meeting like this and they want to sow an offering. But partner, you know, let me just.

[David]

Say it like this.

[Morgan]

I've been with brother Copeland for 33 years and people think, well, it's, you know, he has all these mega millionaires and people just send him, you know, million dollar checks or hundred thousand dollar checks. If you look into the ministry, it's just the partners. It's $50 a month, $100 a month. It's in that realm that has been the backbone financially of that ministry now for over 50 years. It's the faithfulness and the consistency. Not the amount, but the faith and the consistency of the partners. So if I could encourage you, those that are not. Can I do this right now?

[David]

Can.

[Morgan]

How many are partners with Dufresne Ministries or Pastor Nancy? All right. I don't know if we have any information on that. If we don't have it available right this second before the meeting's over, we'll get that to you. But we would like to invite you to become a partner to increase. Amen.

[David]

What's going.

[Morgan]

The voice is going all over the world. And if I could say so, it's going to take probably more than one jet to do it.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Oh yeah, we got plans. Cuz God's got funding.

[Morgan]

Praise the Lord.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Absolutely. And really, David? Well, I'm not going to say that because that could go. That could go out there too far and then I get too many phone calls.

[David]

But.

[Nancy Dufresne]

David, you want to talk about the project that is now you. They can pre order this. You want to talk about that?

[David]

Sure.

[Nancy Dufresne]

I don't know if we have the slide.

[Morgan]

Do we have a slide as far as the worship album?

[David]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Show that.

[David]

Okay.

[Morgan]

That is done. Everybody say done, done. It is finished. Praise the Lord. And so that will be completely available to you. I've printed. Some people still buy CDs. Sometimes people do digital downloads. But in like two weeks.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Two to four weeks.

[Morgan]

Two to four weeks on that. Okay, so here's the deal. Everybody say, signed poster, signed post. I want you to look about in the middle, leaning slightly less. Do you see Pastor Nancy Dufresne's signature?

[Nancy Dufresne]

There's a story with that well, here's the story.

[Morgan]

Not taking too long for three and a half hours. That wasn't go to Kinko's and get the stamps. You know, a stamp and get the staff to stamp. No, you know, with the signature. Pastor Nancy for three and a half hours did her signature. Now I also.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He came in and I said, david, you're signing this. He said, tomorrow. And I said, we're here right now. And Sarah, all the way from UK, she said, David, I flew 20 hours to do your job. But she stood there and he just signed and she just pulled, pulled, pulled. And I go, I didn't think of that while I was signing. I was doing it. So she pulled and he got done in 40 minutes. What took me three and a half hours. But of course, I used letters, he used lines.

[Morgan]

So Pastor Nancy's is a work of art. Mine is D E, D, E, D, E, D, E, D, E. But the truth of it is Pastor. Pastor Nancy engineered. I mean, Henry Ford has nothing on Pastor Nancy. She built an assembly line where they were just flying at mat me line. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So quite honestly, it didn't take me three and a half hours. Pastor Craig. It took me 40 minutes. But you watched part. So the project is available. And guys, the holy Ghost helped us to give and put into your hands exactly what you hear in service.

[David]

I don't know.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And to that signed poster, that's for those who pre order only. So if you pre order, you're going to get that. And Ms. Reba signed it. I mean, it's worth it just to get Ms. Reba and Destiny and all that. Grant, you played that one song for the congregation. Can we play some of that? Can we play it?

[Morgan]

You want to play more songs?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Do they know which one I'm talking about? Do you want to listen to one? Because I. I tried to listen to them on the computer. It just did an injustice. You need to on the sound system, make do it right, brother.

[Morgan]

And before.

[David]

Wait a minute. Go ahead.

[Morgan]

Before you push play on that. Listen to me when I say this.

[David]

There.

[Morgan]

I mean, you've heard us do like, surely goodness. Okay, so let our records and reboot. A producer or a marketing company would say, don't let yourself songs be more than three or four minutes long. I was like, no, that's out the window. There's about. I don't know. Surely goodness by itself is probably about 10 minutes long. With just this worship segment. Ms. Leanne and other prayers came in with the singers. And I said, just start singing just Start worshiping. And I'll fly that in around the song. And then we'll break from singing the lyric to just those sounds of worship. So there's segments. It's as close as you can possibly get to a live record. The way we sing and worship in the Crusades and in these services is really what we tried to capture. And I think.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And all of this will be available for pastors to into their own services because there's going to be the tracts and everything. We're paying extra to have all the tracts and the backgrounds and any instrument you want to put in or take out. It's all with the local church in mind, too.

[Morgan]

You can just saying it simply, you can. We built it so you can sing with it. And whatever you don't have, we can supplement that, and it'll be a great blessing to your church. So the sign poster is for those that pre order. Should we receive the offering and listen.

[Nancy Dufresne]

To music while the music is going. Receive the offering. And it's so good.

[Morgan]

And we'll. We'll play that for you while you give. Do we do offering envelopes here?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes, they're on the seats.

[Morgan]

Oh, they're on the seats at the seat pocket. So the instructions are.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Does everybody have everything you need for your giving? Okay, so in a few minutes, ushers, halfway through that song, just pass the offering.

[David]

But. But. You ready?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Go ahead and push play. This is just one of the songs on the album. You did say ready, right? Okay. Oh, dear.

[Morgan]

That's destiny.

[David]

Lord, you're holy and we lift you up and magnify your. Your name. Lord, you're holy Lord, you're holy and we lift you up and magnify your name. As I look around and I see all.

[Nancy Dufresne]

All the works your hands have made and the awesomeness of you and how your love will never fade Me words cannot express what I feel inside. I can't describe your glory divine but as it spoken of my love, this is what I'll do.

[David]

I lift my hands and say. There's not enough words that I can say to tell you how much I appreciate all the wonderful things you've given me. Your loving kindness, your tender mercy. It's my design to praise you and tell you how much I love you. Cause you're worthy of all the honor and you're worthy of all the praise. I'm so grateful you love me that.

[Nancy Dufresne]

You shown me through so much mercy.

[David]

That you suffered and died for me way back on Calvary. And that's why I'm gonna thank You Lord thank you oh Lord, I thank, I thank you. Cause you're worthy. Along our wonderful glorious Holy and righteous Victorious under our triumphant and mighty healer Shield and defense Strong tower In my best friend Omnipotent omnipresence to omn. Holy holy is your name Wonderful glorious holy arch Strong tower. The soon coming king Alpha Ome One of everything Holy Holy holy is your name. My best friend. Holy holy holy. Holy holy Holy. Ra.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And David is the arranger of that and the brainchild behind that. And Tony was there pushing it all along. So good. So good. Praise the Lord. Yeah.

[Morgan]

It's just the first of many to come.

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And we already have another one almost complete in the pocket.

[Morgan]

The second one really is on the most done. And it won't take as long for us to get the second one out as the it did the. The first one. But I meant what I said a moment ago, that the revelation of the songs should match the sermons. And there really is an assignment. I think he's like, God has put together, you know, a team.

[David]

Of people.

[Morgan]

To bring his heart. And what you saw, you said, the songs are already written in heaven. Can you say that for us one more time? You know?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yes. God said to me, when I saw in a dream, I saw a notebook this full just thick of songs. And I said, what are those? He said, those are songs for the era. And he said, you don't have to write them. They're already authored. All you do to have to do is get in the spirit and hear what's already been authored. So it's about hearing. Yeah, yeah. And learning how to take what you hear. And.

[David]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So, you know, you just stay in agreement with us. You know, we've but scratched the surface.

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I mean that. But scratch the surface on. If I can say it like this, you know, the songs and the sounds that need to be in the church of the last days, a Holy Ghost church. I don't want it stuck. I don't want it stale. It's fine for somebody else. Praise the Lord for all the churches and all the whoever, through whomever. But out of this camp and out of who's in this room right now, there's a the best is yet to come.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And Ed prophesied when we were on the property in a tent, he said, the music will go all over the world. And I thought, well, something's gonna have to change. And it has. It's changing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

He saw it. He saw it. So are they up here for a good reason?

[Morgan]

I just thought we'd Sing them out, you know?

[Nancy Dufresne]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay.

[Nancy Dufresne]

So. All right. Just sing them out. Okay.

[David]

Yeah.

[Nancy Dufresne]

That means out. No, stand with me, if you would. Don't forget, Doctor, Dr. Winston's gonna be here tonight. You don't wanna miss it. He'll be here in the morning. He'll be here tomorrow night. One o' clock worship and one o' clock prayer. So prayer is held in this room right behind this wall. And then worship will be here in the sanctuary. Right. So one o', clock. We'll see you back here. God bless you. Love you.

[David]

I thank you, my. I thank you for all you've done.

[Nancy Dufresne]

And all that you will do.

[David]

You're faithful. I'm grateful. Lord, I thank you.

[Nancy Dufresne]

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