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Partnership Is A Divine Exchange | Legacy Partner Podcast w/Stephen & Morgan Dufresne
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Hello and welcome to the defrain Ministries Legacy partner podcast. We are excited to share this update with you.
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Hey, partners, welcome to the podcast. It's been a minute since we've done a partner podcast, but we have some things we want to update you on and just share maybe some stories. We've been gone quite a bit.
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Yeah, we have.
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That's why we haven't been able to do a partner podcast. Um, I know I had a handful of people come up to me at camp meeting and say, when are you gonna do another partner podcast? And because we want to keep you very much involved in what we're doing here at defrain Ministries. And we. Since we did our last partner podcast, my goodness. We had the Florida Miracle Crusade. We had our Bible school graduation, which is a big part of defrain Ministries, with brother Jesse.
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Brother Jesse was here.
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And then we had Paducah, and then.
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We had camp meeting.
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Meeting. Yeah. With the worship.
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Oh, David had the worship weekend.
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The singing school.
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The singing school.
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He calls it the singing school. So in a. In a period of about a month and a half, we actually were able to generate and touch and reach and in part to not only healing, but just different ministries, different churches. So when we say that you're giving is gonna go a long way, we mean that you're giving is.
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Yeah.
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Gonna be deposited into many arms of the ministry. And so I just know with those, I. I guess I was kind of laughing to myself because we. We were spending a lot of time in a hotel room that we had to share together.
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Yeah. Was it a bad thing?
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Thank goodness they. They had a small kitchen, but we. We had some good memories with the kids. And. But really, on those road meetings, the Miracle Crusades, besides us having to figure out how to preach and share a hotel room, we got to meet so many of our partners. You really sought us out. But we also did a meet and greet with our partners, and those were both in Florida, but especially Paducah was really successful. Do you want to share something on those?
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Well, we got to meet a lot of you there, and it was just great. And. And I didn't get to meet all of them, but the ones that did.
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Yeah.
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But it was just so amazing because there was so. So many people that came out of their way at their expense and stayed the whole week. And it's so important. Important to be around that. What mom has.
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Yeah.
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The anointing and. And around healing and around those things, and so many people put an investment into that. It's not cheap. It's not cheap. And they really did that. And I think that is just, just really great.
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Well, I'm think I was thinking when you just said that, I was thinking of those who were with Jesus. Remember when he was trying to go aside and went up on the hill and they left town and There was no 711 to feed everybody to. Everybody get a hot dog.
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Right.
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And because they, they pressed in at their own time and their own expense, they were fed and saw a miracle in a way from the Master that no one had ever seen before. And I, I want to emphasize that to you partners that we're not, we're not commanding anything, we're not asking it really. But we're encouraging you to try to get into a live meeting because I know many of you, you want to support Jesus Healer broadcast, you want to support the crusades. But wouldn't you say that it's the receiving of that miracle that day were those who kept pressing in and left their homes and left the comforts and, and really kind of just ventured out and pressed into Jesus.
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And one thing that mom talked about, that was kind of something that she had came up to, just that then I believe it was people that had no hope. They were lost.
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Oh my goodness, yes.
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Brokenhearted. If I'm thinking correctly.
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That was a real emphasis in Paducah. It really was the healing of the mind and the heart.
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Yeah. And people that have been. That died and they had grief and just different things. And I think that was just a tremendous worthlessness.
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She really addressed that you feel like worthless in, in going forward. Like something had happened and it took away that, that self worth that you could correct contributing. And a lot of those were seniors, people who were older in life. And I would say she really was imparting hope that anointing and hope for the future and expectation for the future.
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And a lot of people got healed.
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They really did.
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I mean there was people.
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Yes.
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What was that night with Pastor Cody? And mom brought, brought him up to do feet and we were with feet growing out and things like that. And it's just amazing to see. But that's, that's, that's why we're doing.
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These, you know, and I, I want our partners, I guess they're part of that. Right. And I, but we want you to be a, like receive of that first.
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Right.
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You know, it's like you, you want your own children to be blessed first. Every parent does before anyone else's kids. I mean, I'm not saying you don't want someone else's but it's like our partners, we want them to access and. And be in the presence of God and be a part of those things in. In the flesh, not just watching online. And we feel like it's for our partners first. They're the ones that are sowing seed right into that word. And I do believe there's an impartation for you as partners that when you come to these meetings or even watching online, that there's something specific because there is that divine exchange. It's not natural. Money's natural, but the exchange of it is divine.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've just crested over 3,000 partners. And that's amazing, Morgan, because I know that. What was it, I think the beginning of last year, we were at like 25 and we just hit over 3, 000. And that's how many people. And it's growing daily.
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I was gonna say this. We don't even have the current number yet.
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We don't have the.
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We sprung it on the staff like we're coming in. We're our. Jessica's on vacation, our partnership gal.
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So they all are.
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We'll have more specific numbers next time. But it is. It is growing daily. Partnership. Yes.
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And I know for you and me, when we partner with somebody, it's because we believe in what they're doing. We believe in the mission. We believe in the anointing. And I know when I get around people that I know are for me, I know that I get something, you know, and it's not just a sermon, but it's being around the anointing. And these people we've met in France, we've met them in. Where? London. Are people from there?
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Yes, From.
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I mean, just everywhere. Russia, etc. And it's so amazing to. To have all these people that believe and we're all coming together to get this word out, you know, and that's what. And that's what we've been doing. The, The. The partnership helps send our staff, our people all the. From food to really good. The hotels for the staffing. So. So we can go to these places. Places and get that anointing close to that region. And that is amazing because that's what they're help doing. Now. We do receive expenses, you know, during that.
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Sure. Yes.
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But the partnership is what. What helps us to do that.
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Right. There's the initial cost.
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Initial cost.
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And you made a such a good point with that, with getting the staff there. And when you had said that, I. Jesus traveled with a staff. Right. And he even traveled not Only with his staff, but also those who funded and believed in what he was doing. And it. And it took everyone getting him where he was going. And we want excellence when we do these meetings, you know, there's times that mom is sent into a church or they invite her to come like she's about to go to a church in Ohio. We go into churches, and we're just there to help that pastor and assist that pastor. And of course, in the going, partnership helps. But you know what partners there is when we can take our own team.
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Right.
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And execute the vision in such a way with such excellence that God showed us to do. It's not any better. It's just different. It's able. There's an execution. Just like when he fed the 5,000. He had his staff there. He had those men to organize everything and get everybody set up and even look to them for, hey, what is the spirit of God saying? How do we feed these people to bring our staff and to have that expenses? Like, he's saying, the partnership really helps with that initial cost to get everybody. And then the offerings and the giving help cover some of that. But I would say that it is different when you can send, like, Jesus, send the staff with her. And also, you made a great point about people around the world and us connecting with our partners on the road. I'm reminded of that scripture. It says, till we all come to the unity right of the faith. I think that's what we've seen partners when we've met you, when we've connected with you, when you've told us where you're from, your testimonies, You've. We've gotten to meet your children. We've gotten to hear how far you've traveled. There's such a unity in these miracle crusades.
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Someone drove from. From North Carolina.
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Yes, North Carolina.
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So they drove from there. I think they brought their travel trailer.
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Yes.
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And, you know, it's things like that, faith and expectation.
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And they brought that in the room. That is their faith is in the room.
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Right. And so I just think that's so amazing that people are like, hey, we're coming. We're bringing our stuff. We're gonna be in this one thing, though, that I do while you're on that is one thing I did when I got back from this last set of meetings is I told our travel people, I said, I want to have a meeting, and I want to go through every. Every piece of the travel to make sure there's no waste.
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I think that meeting is what 11:30 on Wednesday.
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Yeah, it's pretty serious. Because I want to make sure. Because travel changes, whether it's cars, like hotels, and I want to make sure that we're cutting out any fluff, any junk. I'm not saying we live poverty, but I'm saying those things change the way we buy tickets, the way we. The way we rent cars. Are we doing it the most efficient or have we just. This is the way we've always done it.
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Sure.
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And so one thing, I'm going back in and I said, we're going to go back to the ground. Let's make sure that we're cutting out any junk, any garbage. Because when people give, it's important. One thing. I had somebody come up to me, a child, and hand me like a couple bucks and say, I want to put this towards your mom's plane. And I thought, you know what? That in a natural standpoint is not. It's really nothing in the scope of that department, but it's that, how do I make these $3 go as far.
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As that's so good.
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And I thought, you know, that's precious that a child would come up and do that. What is my responsibility to say, you know what? It was used correctly. It was used to its fullness.
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Yeah.
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And I know that the staff, me, you, we have that constant conviction, right, that that's a consistent flow of how we do this ministry. That because people, they go work a 9 to 5 job, they got their families, they have their bills, and they say, you know what? I wanna cut out a section of my paycheck for you guys to fulfill what God's called you to do. And I want you to know that we continue to go through everything, to continue to skim off any fat to make sure that we can put it back into what we're doing.
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No, it's so true. And I was just seeing your project, even you're having that meeting this week. Week. And so many of us will be a. A part of that meeting in the saf. He wants every. Every detail. Not just a few, you know, departments within the travel, but everything. But I was also thinking we. I don't think we told them that the building here, which is where we hold our conferences and the Bible school and ministers, we're getting new lighting it all the money just came. Supernaturally, of course, we had some set aside and. And that was. The thing is there was money saved up in accounts, being good stewards of it, not just spending it every time we get it on something. But the Money really did come supernaturally, and you really shocked the lights.
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You looked for. What we need that we did is we had a bid from a company, and I said, that bid's fine, but let's get a couple more. Let's see where the best thing is. And this is when the tariffs hit. Remember when the tariffs came on. And a lot of this stuff is made in China. China, you know, so when it comes to that, I knew we had a limited time to get that right. And so we did our art our end. Yeah, we found the best price, but the best product. We still want a good product. And we said, all right, let's get it before those tariffs hit. You know, it's things like that that we continuously do to make sure that we're. That we're doing the best that we know how well.
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And even I'm thinking of. This is so small, but this will tell you when he's talking about the $3 that we received from, you know, that child that's before God is, you know, would look like millions.
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Right.
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He sees it the same way. We see it the same way. But we got Prime Day. Not to advertise Amazon, but, you know, Prime Day is coming up here in July. And you've told the staff, we're not cheap, but get things in order that if something you've needed for your department or something you've been looking at.
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Right.
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You know, execute it efficiently enough that you can say, you know what the question is?
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Is this the time to buy it? Is the price appropriate? Hey, let's go and go ahead and get these things at that point, rather than paying wholesale or like a full.
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Price, like a retail price? Yeah, yeah. And so we're always projecting. You especially are always projecting. You're always looking ahead. You're always trying to anticipate and teaching the staff and to anticipate a need. And when is the best time to take the funds, the giving and to purchase those things that we're going to need? It's just such a diligent. You're so diligent to watch over that.
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We just have to do it. Because I realize the partners, I've seen them, and it's amazing because they're believing for their own stuff. And so that money that they put to us, we make sure that it does what it needs to do and really good. And it's not waste, because I've seen a lot of companies and a lot of stuff. There's a lot of waste.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and I don't like It, I don't, I don't, I don't like waste. We have very minimal. That's very minimal. I mean, just virtually none.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and, and then when I find it, I cut that out too.
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So I said, I just want to say if he finds the waste, we're.
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Going to cut that out too.
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And, and teaching all of us how to be good stewards of what we do have. And I think that oftentimes when you start getting a lot in and I, I want our partners to know this, as partnership increases, we don't see the increase in the, the money coming in and relax.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Well, there's more money now and then you kind of relax in your, your watchfulness over things. Oftentimes that can happen. When you have more money, you're a little bit more loose with your spending. We're not that way. We're. Again, partnership has increased. Things have increased. But he's still having the meeting with the travel department to hone in. So I want you to know that anytime we bring to you, hey, partnership is increased, this number has gone up or the giving or somebody gave us a certain amount, you know, in their partnership that was able to handle something. We're not loosening our diligence just because there's more.
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Well, we're actually, I believe we need to be as much in house for everything as possible. One of the things that we just brought home is something that we had been paying out, I think 40 something thousand dollars a year for. It's a TV thing.
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Okay. Oh, right. For the. I know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, that thing. And I said, how can we get that back? Because I like that. And so with, with our staff, brother Tony and some people, they said, look, we can do that. Let's bring it home. And that alone, we're bringing home over $40,000 a year.
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Yeah.
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And that's, that's what we're going to continue to do. That's a good chunk of money that can do a lot of different things. So it's, things like that. On, on there was the, this last trip, I potentially cut out about 13 to $14,000 in the refining of travel and things like that. But we're going to keep chipping away.
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And it didn't cut out the anointing.
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No, it didn't.
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We're not doing anything to.
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No, no, it has nothing to do with that.
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It has nothing to do with that. This is on the back end of things that really, when you give and you're at those crusades and you're giving to those meetings. You just know that on the back end things are being watched over and taken care of.
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Oh, yeah, we watch it like crazy.
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Yeah. So we're not, we're not cutting anything short for those present in these meetings and really providing like the, the singing weekend, you know that there was some people paid. Those who came for the worship training weekend, they paid. What do you call it, a. I guess if a fee registration. But that didn't cover everything.
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No, it never does.
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It was just, you know, it really. You need a commitment. You need to show that you're committed and you're serious, because we're serious. But it didn't cover everything. So partnership helped train and it wasn't just people sitting go see.
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But they're getting an anointing to take back.
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Right.
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To get the anointing in their churches. And that's what, that's what the partnership does, is it makes that available where, where, where, where they can come. Like our Bible school doesn't ever pay for it.
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Never.
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It doesn't pay for itself. I'm believing there's a day that it will. But we realize the importance of what's going on at that point. And a lot of the people that come in, they don't get paid to come in. It's. So there's things like that that the partnership does help to cover.
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It really does.
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Some of those things, some of the. Of. Of the church stuff the partners don't pay for.
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Right.
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But there's things here that do that they do help cover.
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Right. Partnership can really help supplement different. Like you said with the Bible school, I see it too, because I get to work with these students and I get to see these students and I get to hear their stories and their testimonies and just know when you give. Sometimes some of that partnership helps with some of the, you know, the instructors and different things. But we. What it does with the Bible school is it's an investment a lot of times into younger people. Sometimes we, we have those that are seniors, they're coming and they're just. Maybe some of them for the first time are hearing this word of faith. And God is changing the future for them. Even at that age, they are every. The world is opening up to them that what the word of God says is theirs and it doesn't matter their age. And your partnership is a part of the investment of so many futures that connected to this Bible school. So you just never know where your giving is going to Touch into, but just know it's being watched over and put into something that's producing in someone's life. You don't have to question that, talk.
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About their kids for a minute. I know, I know that was something that you had brought up.
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Yeah. I think what stood out to us is the people that had come to us, especially after Florida.
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Yeah.
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When I had ministered that one sermon regarding the, the, the little girl that was raised in Brother Hagin's church. And by the time she hit 16, she was 17, she was still acting like a, you know, a 4 year old. And I won't go into the whole thing. You'll have to go back and watch the service. But I know the spirit of God really in the spirit I was praying one day, showed me that, showed me to, to, to teach on it and connected it back to something that you said that God asked you to do and that is to lay hands. He said, will you lay hands on kids with autism? Will you lay hands on kid. Lay your hands on kids with down syndrome? And we know that autism, it can't always be explained. It varies in degrees. And we know down syndrome, there's that, that extra chromosome and there's that difference in look.
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Right.
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And the needs that they have. But God asked you, will you do it? And you said, I will. And you're not afraid of it. And I, that opened something up in that meeting. And we laid hands on so many prayer cloths and so many parents believing in grandparents and aunts and uncles came up. The whole front filled up. It did with people saying there's something not right with my child. And I think we're seeing that more.
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We're seeing it more and more. And it's not something that I made up myself because I, I naturally don't think about things really. And he asked me, will, will you lay hands on those people? I said, yeah, I can do that.
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Yeah.
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And it's not something that I tried to seek out. I mean, it's so random for me.
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Sure. And so we don't live with that. Our children don't necessarily have any of those.
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It's not around me.
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Right.
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That makes sense. So when he asked me to, yeah, I can do that, that's not a problem. And it's amazing how many kids, our parents had some kind of problem where their kids had these, these real deals. So. And I've been praying for, for people, I mean, just left and right. And I believe that it's an evil spirit.
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Amen.
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And I believe that they say well, they're missing something. Well, if they're missing something, then they can get it back.
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Yeah.
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Because that's the kind of God we serve. And so I know for me, and, and what, what we're doing is we're. We're believing that our, our partners that, that their kids are completely healed. Completely healed are maybe restored.
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Right. He makes all the. The message. One of the messages that week in Florida was, he makes all things new.
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Yeah.
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And that was what God had showed me for these kids. And what he's believing for is that he makes all things new. He doesn't. Like Dr. Winston said it. He said he doesn't just make new things. You don't need a new child. You don't wants to kind of get rid of. Well, you have a problem. You can't read, you can't do this, you can't do that, and they'll throw you to the side. You don't need a new child. God can make all things new for your child.
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Like you said with that girl, Brother Hagen believed that she was going to change. And it took over time.
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Right.
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And it started to change. I met a man in Florida that said he has a man in his church now that was in a TL Osborne meeting in Africa. And he was down syndrome. And he got the book Healing the Sick. Yeah. He got that book and read it cover to cover and memorized it. And over a section of time, his face completely changed. And today is completely straight, has no problems. None of those things are left. And now he's back preaching. Preaching the gospel.
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Yeah.
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And a man came up and told me that. And I thought, man, that's so amazing. So he's going to get a printout for me of that whole story. And I just think that's so amazing. And I thought, we need to see that more of.
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We will.
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And a lot of people I met, another family, they kind of just gave up on it. And I thought, don't give up.
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Yeah.
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And I told them, I said, don't, don't. Don't give up on it. Like, don't become like, this is the way life is.
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Is. Yeah.
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And I have a whole sermon about that as well. But one thing that we would like to do is pray with our, our partners because it's so important that you guys are believing for healings. You guys are believing for money, you guys are believing for new homes, you're believing for family, etc.
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Yeah.
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So, Father, in the name of Jesus, I lift up these people before you, Father, and I thank you, Jesus. That the healing power of God is flowing from the top of their head to the soles of their feet. And I say that they're healed in Jesus name. And I command their bodies to come in line with the word of God. And I command their children's lives to come in line with the word of God. And any lost children, we call them back in the name of Jesus. And from this day forward, they make a way back to you. And Father, I thank you for their money, Father, that they have more than enough, that they live on top and live in excess in Jesus name, that they're prosperous and. And anointed to give, Father. And I thank you, Jesus, for everything that you've done and everything that you're going to do. And I thank you for everything that you've allowed us to have and do. In Jesus mighty name. Amen.
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Amen. Well, partners, we're so appreciative that you would believe in this message with us.
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Because we believe the next time we come back, we'll have some guests. We want to get some different people in here.
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Testimonies.
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Yeah, we got some great stuff coming. This is kind of a quick one, but anyway, so we just didn't want.
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To go too long without connecting with you and just kind of giving you an update in case you'd miss and share our heart. So again, we are so grateful. We'll. We'll see you. I want to remind them, too. We'll be at the believers convention at the end of July and beginning of August with Pastor Nancy. So if you're a partner, we're not going to have necessarily meet and greet wine, but I don't know if mom's doing a book signing or not, but we will see. See you. So come and let us know if you're going to be there. And we also always encourage those of you that are partnering with us, if you can partner with Kenneth Copeland Ministries. It was Brother Copeland's belief in us, in your dad many years ago and your mom and, and this ministry to give her that, that time, that daily time slot because he saw something in her that God was doing and in this ministry. And so we encourage you, if you partner with us, make sure you partner and our partners with Kenneth Copeland Ministries.
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And where, where can they find.
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B
They can go to kcm.org and for us, you can go to defrainministries.org and just sign up online.
- [27:32]
A
All right.
- [27:33]
B
Yeah. God bless you all. We'll see you soon.
- [27:35]
A
We'll see you guys. We trust you enjoyed today's partner. Update to become a partner with us, visit dmpartner.org this program has been made possible by the friends and partners of dufresne Ministries.
- [27:48]
B
Sam.