Podcast Summary

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Episode: Say & See | Nancy Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2021 | World Harvest Church | Murrieta, CA
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Date: January 13, 2021

Episode Overview

This episode, led by Pastor Nancy Dufresne, focuses on the practical outworking of biblical faith—specifically, the necessity to "say" what you believe in order to truly "see" results. Drawing from the stories of Abraham and scriptural insight, Nancy unpacks the difference between mere believing and the faith that bears fruit, emphasizing that God’s promises require our partnership—both through persistence and the spoken word. Throughout the episode, Pastor Nancy also leads listeners into healing ministry, encouraging specific and active participation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Nature of Biblical Faith (00:00–10:45)

• God’s Version of Faith vs. Counterfeits:
  Pastor Nancy opens with Jude 1:3, urging believers to "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." She contrasts the “God kind of faith” with less effective forms, warning against passive, half-hearted faith.

  “There’s a certain kind of faith He’s looking for… the faith that doesn’t quit. It’s the God kind of faith.” — Nancy Dufresne [00:55]

• Interest and Earnestness Matter:
  True faith requires active interest and persistent engagement; passivity results in ineffectiveness.

  “If we’re not sometimes in our believing and not making progress… sometimes we need to check our level of interest.” — Nancy Dufresne [04:13]

2. Contending for Faith and Fruitfulness (10:45–22:15)

• Contend Earnestly, Not Casually:
  Faith is to be actively contended for—comparing it to a soldier’s alertness in battle. Caution is given against religious routines devoid of genuine pursuit.

  “Contenders cannot be slothful or casual toward their victory.” — Nancy Dufresne [13:10]

• The Role of the Church and Body:
  Our earnest faith is not only for individual outcomes but also for the vision and fruitfulness of the collective church.

  “The church vision will not be fulfilled by living in neutral. We have to contend earnestly.” — Nancy Dufresne [17:45]

3. Abraham: The Process and Practice of Faith (22:15–01:07:45)

• Abraham’s Journey of Belief:
  Drawing from Romans 4:17-21 and Genesis 12–17, Nancy articulates Abraham’s process from hearing God’s promise, to misunderstanding, to ultimately aligning his words and actions with God’s word.

  • Abraham’s Early Struggles:
    Abraham took years to learn how to respond rightly—his initial response was “I go childless” despite God’s repeated promises.

    “He thinks wrong, and because he thinks wrong, he talks wrong... He’s still speaking against what God has said to him.” — Nancy Dufresne [44:58]

  • Delay Through Natural Plans:
    Abraham’s and Sarah’s attempts to produce an heir through their own reasoning (e.g., Hagar) delayed fulfillment.

    “Our plans always rob us. Not the devil—our own plan.” — Nancy Dufresne [50:17]

  • The Turning Point—Saying What God Says:
    Fulfillment came only once Abraham began to call himself “Abraham” (Father of Many Nations), as God instructed—highlighting that believing was powerless without speaking.

    “God is waiting on him to say it and he’s not saying it. So he assists his faith by changing his name...” — Nancy Dufresne [01:04:17]

  • Faith Is a Lifestyle:
    Speaking what God says is to be continuous, not momentary.

    “Faith is a lifestyle... And to have a lifestyle of faith calls for a lifestyle of saying.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:06:15]

4. The Principle of “Say & See” (01:07:45–01:22:00)

• Believing Isn’t Enough—You Must Speak:
  Citing Mark 11:22-23, Nancy explains that speaking is the action that enables faith to receive results.

  “Jesus didn’t say you’ll have what you believe. He said, you believe the things you say.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:10:10]

  “If Abraham hadn’t called himself what God called him, it would not have come to pass even though God said it.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:11:30]

• Personalization and Specificity:
  Faith declarations should be as personal and specific as one’s own name.

  “You can know the right things to say, but until it’s as personal to you as your name, it’ll always elude you.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:15:48]

• Year of “Say & See”:
  The prophetic encouragement for 2021: those who make saying a lifestyle will “see” longstanding promises fulfilled.

  “God began dealing with me… This is a year you’ll see if you’ll say. Things for decades that you’ve had in your heart, they can come to pass this year if you will make a lifestyle of saying.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:14:35]

5. Practical Application & Ministry (01:22:00–end)

• Homework—Take Action:
  List what to address with your faith and speak specifically, not generally.

  “If you speak specifically, you know exactly how to calculate whether something’s coming to pass or not.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:17:10]

• Saying Must Lead to Doing:
  Speaking isn’t enough; actions must line up with faith spoken.

  “Saying without doing doesn’t work.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:18:24]

• Healing Ministry:
  Nancy ministers healing, calling out specific conditions and instructing listeners to “receive” by saying “I believe I receive.”

  “How do you receive it? With words… The words ‘I believe I receive’ is performing that act.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:23:40]

• Agreement and Active Participation:
  Encouragement to act physically as a demonstration of faith (e.g., move the healed part).

  “Faith is an act. Saying is one way of acting, but there are other ways of acting.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:33:10]

• Living in the Fulfillment:
  Maintain the lifestyle of saying, even after answers come, for generational impact.

  “What they had to say to arrive at fulfillment is what you have to say to maintain and move further. You can’t go back and relax. It’s a lifestyle.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:07:03]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Interest is what gets your faith moving. Sometimes people need to renew and stir their interest level up.” — Nancy Dufresne [04:30]
• “Contenders cannot be slothful or casual toward their victory. We have to earnestly contend.” — Nancy Dufresne [13:10]
• “Your words have to give God something to fulfill.” — Nancy Dufresne [48:33]
• “Our plans delay God’s plans until we run through our plans.” — Nancy Dufresne [50:15]
• “God’s version of faith authorizes you to take and initiate, put a demand on, and put on anything He’s made yours.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:31:18]
• “Faith is not believing God can. Faith is believing He does it now. I believe in the power of God and it’s working in me now.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:35:08]
• “You’ll never have it just because you believe, you’ll have it when you believe and say it.” — Nancy Dufresne [01:12:25]

Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Opening and Jude 1:3 – Nature of Faith: 00:00–05:45
• Contending Earnestly (Illustrations and Soldier Metaphor): 10:45–15:00
• Faith and the Local Church Vision: 17:45
• Abraham’s Faith Journey and Process: 22:15–01:07:30
• Emphasis on Speaking God’s Promises: 01:07:45–01:15:48
• Prophetic Declaration for 2021 – “Say & See”: 01:14:35
• Assignment for Listeners—Be Specific: 01:17:10
• Ministry Time – Healing and Practical Action: 01:22:00–01:37:00
• Confession and Faith as a Continuous Lifestyle: 01:35:50–end

Conclusion

Pastor Nancy Dufresne delivers a compelling, scripture-rich message demonstrating that believing alone does not bring about the fulfillment of God’s promises; a lifestyle of speaking God’s word in faith—specifically, personally and persistently—is essential. Drawing on the Abraham narrative, she encourages listeners to shift out of religious routine into earnest engagement, addressing not only personal needs but also church vision and generational legacy. The episode closes with a practical ministry of healing and actionable keys for living out the “Say & See” principle in 2021 and beyond.