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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message.
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Well, they have a saying, you know, the last but shall be first. Oh, I wasn't going that way. But, man, the last but not the least last shall be first. I like that one, too. Were y' all blessed by Dr. Bill last night? Wasn't that a blessing? I love that man. He's a tremendous man. He makes the words so easy, you know, he just. He talks and it's so funny, you know, it's just such a blessing. So.
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Well, do you have your Bibles this morning?
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All right, Are your tablets or whatever, whatever you got this morning? You know, the Lord talks to me like hired help.
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Maybe he's trying to tell me something, you know, but he talks to me.
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In a way that is a labor induced understanding.
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And I enjoy it so much because.
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I believe that's where a lot of people live.
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And so I don't like when word.
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Is complicated or really you have to diagnose it through a strainer to understand what the heck is going on.
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You know, you need a.
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A computer program to understand what the pastor's preaching.
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So I'm very simple.
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I believe I am. But today the Lord's been dealing with me on something.
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And this morning I want.
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You can write this down if you can spell it.
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I'm not saying you can't spell.
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I'm saying I can't spell. I was homeschooled, so.
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Yeah. She there somewhere? Yeah, I'm going there. I'm going there. And it started, you know, my mom.
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Was homeschooling me first and that failed.
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So. All right, get a mic. Let's get it straightened out.
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Let's straighten it out right now.
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Okay.
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You know, when they choose not to.
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Learn.
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It's their choice.
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It was a teacher malfunction.
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But I'm not going to talk about schooling today because I'm already old enough.
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I should know how to read and write. So we'll be all right. Yeah.
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But today I want to minister on.
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What the Lord has talked to me about.
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And he talked to me about the.
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Bag of provisions, the bag of provision, and that's what I'm going to minister on this morning.
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And it's so funny the way the.
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Lord talks to me because it wasn't something that I came up with. I was thinking about this and I was thinking about how healing comes and finances and things like that.
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And if you have your Bible, I.
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Would like for you to go to John 6 for me, if you would. John 6. And here we're talking about feeding the 5,000. That's a lot of people. We serve the minister's food after service. And there is platters of food for these people.
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And it ain't 5,000 people. No. And there's platters of food everywhere. I mean, they bringing it in by.
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The truck.
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But there's 5,000 people here.
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A lot of people to feed. Okay, I'm gonna read a little bit, and then I'm gonna do something which is. And women, just calm down before I say it. I'm just telling you. Just.
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I'm pre warning you. I'm pre warning you.
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I'm pre warned. Look, she's already worked out.
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I could hear you go, wow. See? She was already offended. All right, so it says here in verse six.
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I'm going to go down to verse four.
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Now, the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near.
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And Jesus lifted up his eyes and seeing what a great multitude coming towards him, and said to Philip, where shall we buy bread that they may eat?
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But this he said to test them, for he himself knew what he was going to do. Philip answered him and said, 200 denarii.
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Worth of bread is not sufficient for them. Then that would have been correct, that.
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Every one of them may have a little.
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One of his disciples said to him, there is a lad here who has five barley loaves and two small fish. But then doubt set in.
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But what are they amongst so many? Now, the question I have, it says that there was children and women. Women love to eat.
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I told you.
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I warned you. Is it true, though? Women like snacks? Okay, there you go. Okay, I'm pulling some of you back. I know when my wife goes on a road trip. We got beef sticks, we got chips, insta coffee, gummy packs. There's 5,000 people here and not a single woman had any food. Is it true now that we kind of diagnosed this, Are you leaving the house to go on somewhere and not bring a snack? You go, women have snacks. Men walk out of the house with their pockets, a chapstick, a phone and a pocket knife. Women got a whole purse full of stuff and 5,000 people. Just a little boy with two crackers and two Mentos. Them women was hoarding that food. That's what I believe. They was hiding it under their robes. I do have food because women eat it all. My wife will get a hold of it. My wife loves food. I mean, she loves food. I mean, she lives for it. Me, I'm like Give me a bag of cereal. I can eat that with no milk. I'll just put it in a cup and eat it. My wife's like, I need some gourmet food.
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I've been. I've been, you know, I need to get some stuff.
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But we go on a road trip, she's got food. So I don't know what happened to the women here. They weren't providing. Anyways, that was my question about this.
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I'm going to move on.
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I'm running out of time.
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So.
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We know here, what are they among so many? And Jesus made the people sit down. Now, there was much grass in the place, so.
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So the men sat in the number, about 5,000.
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And Jesus took the loaves. And what did he do?
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He give thanks. And they distributed them to the disciples, and the disciples to those sitting down. Likewise the fish. And how much of it? As much as they wanted. So I was thinking about this, about my own life. I thought, how was this manifesting?
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It was multiplying somewhere.
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Isn't that true?
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It was coming to pass somewhere. So I don't know how they were distributing, if they were carrying it or in bags.
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But I had in my heart that it was that they would be transferring it in bags to each location throughout a section.
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Okay. So in that, I said, lord, how did that do that? He said, through seepage. Seepage makes sense to me. I understand that seepage is something. If ground is saturated with water and I dig a hole, that water will come into that section, that opening, and fill it up, and it seeps into that location. And as I shovel the water out, what happens? More comes in. And I can shovel that out as fast as I can, and I may get it to the bottom a little bit and see gravel. But what's going to happen in just.
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A small time, it's going to fill back up.
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That's called seepage. Now, there are certain seepages that aren't good. A baby's diaper is not something you want seeping. We don't want seepage coming through the ceiling. But there is some good seepage. And anybody that has a whale, you want some seepage in the ground. And your husband knows about this, that there is water down in the ground, in the dirt. And when that whale is put in, it creates a void where that water comes to because there's nothing there.
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And it will fill it up.
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So today I brought one of my wife's bags. But this bag would indicate that if we threw some crackers in this bag, as I Go to reach in, it will seep more out of it.
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I don't have nothing in the bag, so don't think there's stuff in here.
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You guys are like, what you got in that bag? I don't have nothing in the bag, but if I take this bag, I have to be ready that I may pull some out. And it may have been all that was in there, but the next time I put my hand in there, there's going to be a little more every time. So as I put in and I take out my provision, I use it and see if it happens again, I can pull out more. And sometimes I may hit the bottom and look and say, hey, there's nothing there, but it's just a short time before some more will be in there. Seepage in a faith stance has to happen. If you believe it'll be there, it'll be there. Nobody likes to hit the bottom of the bag, but you have to believe that out of the fabrics of this bag, seepage is happening. And today I'm talking about healing and finances. So what had to happen in this instance, Jesus puts a little. And as they pull it out, it just keeps coming out and they go over to the next place and another handful, they reach in, another handful, reach in the bag, another handful. Because seepage is happening in the bag. Some. A lot of us have a bank account. Let's look at it as a bag. Right now, that bank account is a bag of provision.
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Okay?
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And as we reach into the account to take money out, we have to believe that it is refilling itself. It ain't my job to fill it. So when I dig a hole in the ground and I go eat lunch, I know when I come back, there's going to be water in it and I'm going to have to shovel it out again to make room for more. And so every time you use replenishes.
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Okay.
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Am I preaching? All right. Provision is the action of providing or supplying something of use. Now, biblically, healing is a provision. You don't have to pray to get healed. You're already healed. You have to reach in the bag and pull healing out and drop it on top of you and believe that you're healed. Well, I don't feel healed. Well, me neither, sometimes, but it doesn't mean that it's not true. You can go to bed after using all the provision for the day, and when you wake up, there's going to be some more. That's what the bag of provision does. By faith, I know this will be filled.
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All right.
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So we know that biblically, there is a scriptural promise of seepage.
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Into our lives if we believe it.
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Okay, Your provision is supplied with your believer subscription plan. Once you get born again, you are given a subscription plan that guarantees you a product, and that product is provision. Matthew 6.
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25.
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So this.
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I'm still back at the 5,000, but we're going to keep going and we'll kind of keep that as our main bookmark.
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Therefore, I say unto you, do not worry about your life, what you shall, what provision, what you shall drink, what provision, nor about your body or what you should put on. Provision is life, not more than what food and the body of clothes. For we look at the birds, neither do they sow, neither into barns. So we know that birds live every day out of provision, out of seepage into their lives, that every day there's going to be some more grain to eat. There's going to be a little bit more. They don't have to gather it, they're not hoarding it, because every day there's.
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Going to be something in there and.
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It'S going to be enough. That's one thing we like security. I love security. That'd be great. If I had $10 million in the bank, that'd be great. But we have to know that the bag is for provision, and we can reach in every day and withdraw a little bit more. And if you hit the bottom, guess what? It won't be long if you believe that there's going to be some more.
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In there.
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Because it is scripturally impossible for there not to be nothing. So then he says, therefore, 31, do not worry saying, what shall we eat? Nor what shall we drink? Or what shall we wear for all these things do the world seek for your heavenly Father? What does he know? That you have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of.
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God and his righteousness. And what all these what things?
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So we know that we have provision. And provision is a continuous flow of seepage into our lives. It's always flowing into our lives. Will you say, well, it's topped off, Remove a little bit. What's it going to do?
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It's going to fill back up. It's going to fill back up.
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Am I helping you this morning?
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We know.
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Your exceeding faith is to be used for expansion, not for maintenance. Because if you always are using your faith to maintain, you never have faith for expansion. Expansion is part of the exceeding faith, and the maintenance is part of the provision. So you believe God for a new home. Well, we know when you believe God for a home, we know that you need yard care, the electric bill, and all those things you say, well, God wants us to exceed in faith, but how do we meet the next levels of expansion? And he says, because I've been guilty of it, too, where I'm scrounging around.
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In the maintenance department, trying to take care of what God's given me.
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But I'm thinking how in the world.
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My dad had a house, it was.
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A big house, and I did the landscape. And by the time I got done doing the landscape, I had to start back over. And I think, I ain't never gonna get done with this place. And sometimes that's how our faith is. We looping in circles, maintaining what we have. How am I ever gonna do anything else in life when all I'm doing is landscaping? So what it needs is some provision to take care of itself. Okay? Because I don't have time to believe for all this and deal with it. I got to go forward. So everything that I believe for will come with its own provision. I don't have to pray about it because I'm exceeding in faith. So the maintenance increase and the cost increase will go up with it, but it's covered under the provision. So every time. So when the Savelles gave us an airplane, that provision came with the aircraft. It came with its own bag. So when we reach in for maintenance, we pull it out, throw it in there. When we do upholstery, we pull it out, put it in there. When we reach in there, it came with its bag because it's exceeding in faith. We're moving forward. But if I get bound up $30,000 for maintenance this month, well, my God, what are you going to do about it? You got to have it. So if you got to have it, then what is it? It's a provision. It's provision that has to have it. This building has to have certain things done to it to maintain it. So as we progress in faith ministers, you get a bigger building. It requires more power consumption, more electricity, more cleaning. It takes more money. And that's part of the exceeding in faith going forward.
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So I'm going to read this again. If you're taking notes, your exceeding faith is to be used for expansion, not for maintenance. Okay, now we know. Let's go to first Debbie Simon. 17. You're going.
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Where's that?
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First Kings. First kings, 17. Now we know here about Elisha and the widow. I feel like this is just Pastor Debbie every time I Think of this lady. I just see Pastor Debbie's face. She gonna get her family provided for.
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What are you saying? I don't know what you say. You're an old woman. Is that what you said? Now I'm gonna go down. Now, we know the story here that the prophet comes and says, you need to give me a little meal and.
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A little oil out of your life.
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And she says, this is all I got.
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Okay?
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But she has a barrel.
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Okay, she's got a barrel. Okay. Verse 14. For thus says the Lord of Israel, the bin of flour shall not be.
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Used up, nor shall the jar of oil run dry until the day of the Lord sends rain on the earth. And she went away and did according to the words of Elisha. And she said he and her household as many days.
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The bin of flour was what?
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Not used up nor. How do you have that seepage? Every time you take a scoop out, it's like sand. You ever dug a hole in sand and as you do it, it just slowly falls back in? That's called seepage. You take a little oil out, okay, you put it up. The next morning, it's just seeped back in there. You didn't have to do nothing because she believed that that was a provision that has to be. She don't got to work for, just seeped into her life when she did what God told her. So what she needs to believe is that seepage is flowing continuously in her life. And it says that it never ran out. It never ran out. So every time she put that cup.
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Down in there, it just fall back in there through seepage. So you. What I'm talking about is you need some seepage in your life.
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The way you need to look at your provision. When you go in to take some.
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Out, it's just going to fill back up. It's just going to fill back up.
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And I'm hoping. I'm making it simple. Through seepage. You get what I'm telling you. I'm not trying not to make it complicated. If you have a basement, I don't. But people around the world, the soil in a basement can have moisture in it. And if you don't have some type of pump below that basement level, that basement will fill up with water because of seepage. So what it has to be done, continuously pumped out. And for the life of that home, that has to be continuously pumped out because of seepage. And the homeowner can guarantee that there's.
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Going to be some water in there all the time.
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So it's My responsibility to remove that excess. So anytime you get some money, it's yours to use. You don't have to hoard it. Because by the time you get done, if you believe in faith seepage, there'll be some more. Amen. So we know I'm not going to go there. But the children of Israel, God provided them manna from heaven. And it says when it first started happening.
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Now, I may be wrong on top of this, but look, I'm like a blue collar man, all right? So just roll with me.
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I'm not Rick Renner here, you know, so just take what you got. But basically what I'm gathering is as these people where they saw that food was falling out from heaven and it said it would arise with the dew of the morning. It faded into existence every morning and they would go out and gather it, and some of them tried to hoard it. And when they hoarded it, it disappeared and became rancid. And the people. And it said, if I read this right, it didn't matter if they ate a lot or a little. They were always filled to the same level.
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I could have read that wrong, but.
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That'S how I heard it. So the manna we know happened every day. They were guaranteed a meal every day because it just appeared and they used it as needed. And the next day what happened, it was there again. And the next day, for 40 years, this went on and they had enough. And at night they got quail. So we know that God is a God of seepage, that he will always. And they were allowed to take what they needed for the day. So just so you know, it doesn't matter whether you believe you got a lot or a little. If you believe in biblical seepage, you're always going to have enough. And sometimes you may think you need it when you do, but you may not. So when you go in that bag.
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You may be like, well, ain't nothing in there. I guess I'll wait a couple more minutes because seepage is happening in my life.
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It's not always easy, but I'm telling.
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You, this is the Lord.
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This is the word that he gave me.
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Amen. So write this down if you can fast enough. Scripturally, it's impossible for healing or supply not to come to pass. I remember Pastor Ike prayed for me. I was going through something physically, and Pastor Ike was here on a Tuesday and he called out something related to my condition that I was dealing with. And I remember he prayed for me in the natural. I didn't feel no anointing I didn't feel nothing. But one thing I've learned is it don't matter what I feel or what I don't feel. And so I took that word and I applied it in my life. When Brother Ike prayed for me, I was healed. And I continue to have physical problems, but I still believe the word that.
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He told me and other people were calling out as time went on, that same symptom and I never went back.
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Up in the line because I connected.
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With him when he prayed for me.
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That was my connection.
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That provision was given back then. I'm grabbing onto that provision given and over time it continuously would fluctuate and.
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It got to the point where it's pretty much non existent because I believe that I was healed at that time.
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That's called provision. Because healing is part of what humans need. We need the power of God, of healing in our lives. So therefore, it's a provision that we can walk in, we can take healing over ourselves. That healing, I guess you could think of it this way. Healing is seeping into my body all the time. Now if we take medicine, we take a hard capsule or a liquid form, we ingest it and what does it do? It seeps through our body and it's not always an instant result. And it goes through the whole thing.
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And makes you feel better sometimes, whatever you need.
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So we know that seepage is a real thing. And well, the healing power of God is the same way is we take that anointing, apply it, and believe that.
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It'S seeping through our whole body all the time.
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No matter what you feel, I don't. It don't matter what you feel. I don't feel like it's seeping or not.
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I don't know if that ibuprofen is seeping through my body. I can't see it. But I believe it because I took it. I believe it's going.
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So it's important that we never dismiss healing out of provision.
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Amen. Are y' all being helped? So let's go to mark 9:23. Mark 9:23. And I just want to read this part. We know that Jesus is ministering to a young boy here that has seizures. And it says here, I'm just going to read this part. And Jesus said to him, if you can believe, how much are possible to him that believeth? So it says, if you can, if you can, how many things are possible? All things are possible. We know that in some types of soil that when a well is dug, I can't see down there, but I know it's down there. And if I turn the pump on, I'm going to get some water out of it.
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And if that is. So basically, let me tell you this.
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We drilled a well once and it produced one and a half gallons per minute. Well, one and a half gallons per minute. That pump will extract 22 gallons per minute. So that means that what it does is it fills the cavity up and that pump is faster than the flow. So what it does, it will cavitate that cavity. It sucks all the water out. And once that cavity fills back up, it comes back on and it continuously flows. So what we did is we put a six gallon retaining tank. Well, we can think that of this bag.
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So as I continuously pull that fluid.
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Out of that retaining tank, it goes and pulls it back out to refill.
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And if it hits the bottom, it.
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Waits a little bit and then it fills that cavity back up and then keeps flowing.
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So when I'm sleeping, it's working.
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It'S.
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Catching up with what I've done. So as I'm hanging out, I know that things were filling because it's seeping through the rocks, it's seeping through the soil, and it's coming into my life. And I don't have to do anything. I just have to harvest it. I just have to reach down and.
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Turn the pump on. And here it comes. Here comes the flow.
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Am I making it simple enough for y' all to understand?
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So let's go to Philippians 4:19. I'm almost done. I know that. Pastor Johnny. What? I'm just going to run through it quick. But he drilled a well, or there was a well there and it was dry. He hit it with the anointing and that thing started producing. Cross.
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Cross strings.
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Yeah, when there was nothing. And I think the Lord told him where to drill. And now you have a consistent flow of water for your property, and it produces for all your trees, all your stuff. It brings life. But that provision, he knew what to do. And they don't have to work for it. They just have to sit there and harvest it. That's all they got to do.
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And it says here, and my God shall what? How much?
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How much according to what glory? I like that. Brother Jesse said, I'm going to talk to him more about this if I say this right. He said, don't tell God what you need. Tell him what you want. And then he says, it's a waste of. Of spiritual energy to believe it for your provision. So what that does is basically.
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When.
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You have an aircraft, some of you, I'm just going to make it simple. The amount of money to run these things is quite a lot, which we knew it's not. It wasn't a surprise. I knew what we were getting, you know, but I know that it's necessary for our ministry and it's necessary for our faith.
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And I knew.
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When I talked to Brother Keith, he said, I talked to him just a couple days ago and he said basically when he got into that realm, I'm talking, it's a whole different financial palette. It really is.
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And what it does.
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He said, when I got into that realm, it transformed my ministry because everything else looks so little because I had to look so far up here. When you look back, you go, that ain't bad.
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That's possible, that's doable. So I know for me, every time I see that plane, it came with a bag. And every time I withdraw something out.
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Of that bag, it's going to replenish. It has to.
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It's biblically impossible for it not to. That was a gift that was given because we believe God. It wasn't something we did stupidly and did it. It was God. We had stood on the word of, you know, we stood and stood and.
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Stood and finally reached that place. And the provision is always going to be there. So I'm preaching to myself right now. Amen. Are y' all being helped? I'm almost done.
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Faith must be practiced. The more you work it, the better you get at it. So we know anything in life must be practiced. I'm not perfect. One thing I don't like, I don't like to fail.
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Nobody likes to fail.
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But I'm going to a place that I've never been before. So therefore, I'm willing to be wrong.
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I'm willing to be corrected. I'm willing to adjust, to become what I need to do. I need to be believing for miracles. I need to put my faith on that exceeding part.
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Because if I'm occupied with the maintenance.
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And all these little riff raff things, I can't get into that.
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So I got to just let the Lord take care of it. I ain't gonna mess with it.
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It's your job to mess with it.
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So when I'm believing for everything, whether it's cancer being healed, if someone needs an arm, a foot, toenails, I don't know, new teeth, whatever you need, that's what I'm going to. But if I'm so occupied with scrounging in the dirt looking for Pennies and dollars. I don't got time to build my faith for that. So what I got to do is believe that this is seeping that supply. And when the staff come and reach in the accounts for their thing, they just pulling it out and it replenishes. They pull it out. It's replenishing. They pull it out. I gotta go. I gotta go to the next place y'.
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All. It's there.
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Don't worry about it. It'll be there. The money will be there. It'll be there. We need some new lights. Pull it out of the bag. Pull it out of the bag. It'll be there. I'm just about. So when I go on to the next things that I'm believing. All the maintenance, I'm just using the plane as a reference, but all the maintenance is covered. I don't care about the cost. It is what it is. I can't change it. It's a department of perfection, and I have to walk in the perfection of it. I'm not gonna skimp on that. Pay whatever it takes. It is what it is.
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Brother Jesse, we were walking and he said, I use that plane like I would a car. I never think about it. He says, I get it and fly it. And I thought, I need to get to that level. Not that I'm thinking bad about it, but I'm like, hey, just work it. Just run it and it'll supply itself. Because if God gave it to you.
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It came with a bag of provision, didn't it? Wear a hanky.
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I need a hanky, sir.
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Come on.
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Whoa. Hey.
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I brought my bigger hanky. And that. That bag of provision will be there every time that Kenny steps into it, Josh pulls out of it. Whatever it is, it's there. The provision is there. It is seeping into my life. So when. When. When sickness is trying to get on your body. Tony, where you at? I told you I was going to get you.
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So.
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So when sickness tries to get on your body, you can say, I thank you.
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That.
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That. That healing is seeping into my body. It's seeping into my body right now, and I receive it and I don't conform to it. I'm getting up, I'm moving, I'm shaking. It's not going to get me down because it's part of my believer subscription plan. And I just walk in the plane. It's covered. Have y' all been helped today? Are you praying for people tonight, Nanny?
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Okay, I'm not going to pray.
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No, no, no.
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They like you better.
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So tonight, if you need healing in your body, you can say this afternoon, when hands are laid on me, the seepage power of God is going into my body and I will receive it and I'll walk in it and I will plan my life as though I was never sick. Don't plan for sickness. So sickness tries to adjust your thinking that you won't get any more healing because sickness is glaring in your face. But I want you to know that when you don't plan for sickness, plan one. One day, I'm not going to take that wheelchair. I'm going to walk out to the mailbox without a crutch. You have to. You have to bypass it if you want to walk in it. Hey, yeah. And you say, I believe what Brother Stephen said, that healing is seeping into every part of my body. It's a provision that belongs to me and I walk in it and receive it into my life. So therefore, I'm healed from the top of my head to the soles of my feet. And all the money that I need will be in a bag when I need it. So when I pull it out, there's a little more. Hey. And a little more and a little more and a little more and a lot more. So I can go do exceedingly great things. The bags just. It just seeping all the time. Praise God. I believe I'm done. I've had a great time this morning. Y' all have been blessed. You've heard the word, now walk in it. Walk in it. Take that account, your bank account. It may have negative in it, but declare seepage is happening. It's seeping in back into your life.
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In this vibrant and practical sermon, Stephen Dufresne shares a teaching entitled "The Bag of Provision," delivered during the Dufresne Ministries’ Holy Ghost Meetings 2025. Stephen uses humor, relatable anecdotes, and vivid analogies to convey the biblical principle that God’s provision—spiritually, physically, and financially—operates as a continuous, faith-activated flow, like “seepage” into the bags of our lives. The episode is grounded in scriptural stories, especially the feeding of the 5,000 and the provision for Elijah and the widow, encouraging listeners to trust in the inexhaustible and ever-replenishing nature of God’s supply.
[John 6:1-13 discussed around 03:08-08:10]
[08:26 and throughout]
Memorable Quote:
“Nobody likes to hit the bottom of the bag, but you have to believe that out of the fabrics of this bag, seepage is happening.” (11:07)
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[16:50-20:04]
[20:22-23:17]
[24:33-26:30]
[26:38-35:59]
[36:14-end]
This episode delivers a humorous yet profound perspective on living out radical faith in God’s ceaseless provision. Stephen Dufresne’s “bag of provision” and “seepage” analogies make a compelling, memorable case for trusting that God’s supply never runs dry—it just keeps coming, as long as we keep receiving by faith.