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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Turn with me, if you would. Let's go to Romans chapter 14. Romans chapter 14. I was preparing to. We set up a new television studio in Texas, and I was preparing to go film the first episodes in that studio. And I had in mind to go a particular direction in the. In the teaching. And I sat down the weekend before to write out the notes on takes me. I film Mondays through Thursday. I film five episodes each day. So from Monday to Thursday, we'll film 20 episodes. And we just. I just start talking and don't stop. That's what I feel like. My tongue just grows longer and longer through it. But it's easier for me because I can just keep going and don't have to unhook. And we just keep the cameras rolling. And it takes me. Usually I go into those. That week, just one week. I was filming actually several weeks at a time on this occasion. And I went in that first week of filming thinking the weekend before, because it takes me about. I usually go into one week of filming with no less than 80 pages of notes and sometimes up to 140. So there's a lot of preparation that goes into it. And so I sat down because I had about three days left to write all those notes. And I sat down to write the notes on the topic I thought I was going to go on.
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And the spirit of God said, I don't want you to go that direction. I want you to teach on in Christ. And I said, well, that's really. That's really great. I've got 10 pages on that. And that's one obscure sermon that I had not ever really majored on. I've got 10 pages and God, I don't have time to study it out. I don't have time to do anything. So I tell you what I'm going to do. We're going to walk in, we're going to sit down and say, roll the cameras. And here we go.
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And we filmed 60 episodes with roll the cameras, no notes. Here we go. And revelation came and unction came and utterance came, and we just haven't been able to get out of that, and we don't want out of that. Because in a nutshell, that's the foundation of what our new covenant is all about. And when God wants us to emphasize it, Dr. Sumrall made this statement. He said, when you need revelation, start teaching on it. Because as you Start speaking that way in faith, God fills your mouth. And that's not a license to not study or prepare, but it is that God will fill us with words that bring heaven to earth. Amen. And the more One of the mornings of that week that I was filming, God began to deal with me about the joy of being in Christ. And when we look there at Romans chapter 14 and verse 17, it says this. I've got four different sermons laying up here. I'm just telling you, I'm trying to navigate. Thank you, David. That's the way we like it, right? That's what we do. Romans 14, verse 17. The kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but the kingdom of God is what? Okay, when you see this word righteousness, also correctly put in in Christ. The kingdom of God is in Christ. Who we are in Christ. What belongs to us because we're in Christ. What we can do because we're in Christ. So the kingdom of God is righteousness. It's in Christ because your righteousness is because you're in Him. The righteousness is of him. It's a free gift from him. It's not an earned righteousness, it's a shared righteousness. He shared his righteousness with us. So the kingdom of God is righteousness. It's who you are in Christ. Now notice what's connected to that afterwards. The kingdom of God is righteous is what? Peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. When you're not operating, living or functioning in peace and joy, you are outside of righteousness. And not only that, you're outside of who you are in Christ. Who you are is peace. Who you are is joy. Because you can't be in Christ and not have peace and joy. Amen. So we can know how far we are moving with who he made us to be by checking our peace and joy level. The measure that you don't have peace is the measure you're outside of who you really are. And the measure of joy that you are missing in your life or not yielding to that is how much you're stepping outside of who you really are. Amen. So we're learning that peace and joy is not an emotional thing. These are forces from heaven. And peace and joy is how you get past opposition. In 2011, God said to me, all I want you doing is practicing peace. As I did that. What did that look like? That meant every thought that didn't lead me to peace and joy. I cast it down. I answered it. I forbid it. I refused to turn it over in my thought life, what I ended up doing was finding myself in a further place in the Spirit by doing that. Because it's yielding to wrong thoughts that hold you in the flesh and draw you out of the Spirit. But we're to walk in the Spirit is what the word says. That means our manner of daily life is to be in the Spirit. What's that mean? Governed by the forces in our Spirit, yielding to that higher flow, yielding to who we are in Christ. Amen. And so God said to me, all I want you doing is practicing peace. So every thought that didn't lead me to peace and joy, I cast it down. I refused to touch it in my thought life. I refused to turn it over in my thought life. But because of that, I found myself of two years of practicing that in such a further place of peace. I never knew that this flow was even available. And then two years later, after that. Now know this. The Holy Spirit, one of the primary ways, he helps you as he prepares you. And if you don't follow his preparation, you're bypassing his help. So in practicing peace, two years later, Steven Morgan and Grant came to my house one day and they said, mom, Dad's plane went down. Well, I was already established in the flow of peace. In that flow, there's no grief. In that flow, there's no sorrow. Why? Because the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. I was in the flow of the kingdom. Amen. I was in the flow of the kingdom. And if I'm going to step outside of peace, I have to leave the flow of the kingdom. And I was so established in this peace, not a feeling of peace, the force of peace. Amen. That whenever the tragedy of that moment was announced, it was no match for the force of peace. I want you to know that death is no match for the force of peace. That's why Jesus, before he exited this earth, he said, my peace, I leave with you the same peace that governed him, the same peace that led him. He, you say. I thought he was led by the Holy Ghost. You shall go out with joy and be led forth with peace. The Holy Ghost leads through peace. When you're following peace, you're following the Holy Ghost because He's not in turmoil. Amen. And so that day, I had already been established in this flow of peace, and I had a choice to make. Am I going to respond like just a mere person, or am I just going to stay in this divine flow that the Holy Spirit assigned to me to be skillful in? And that's why? We refused as a family to yield to grief and sorrow. Not everyone understood that. But I want you to know you can have it. And it's not inappropriate. It's not inappropriate to come out of the flow. It's appropriate to stay in the flow of peace when a lesser flow is offered you. Why? Because in Christ is peace. When we step outside of peace, we just stepped outside of who we really are. When we step outside of joy, we just stepped outside of who we really are. So if you'll practice staying in peace, staying in joy, you're practicing who you are in Christ. Did you get that? That's why dad Goodwin would say when financial situations seemed to get tight, he would go in his office, shut the door and dance. What's he doing? He's stepping into a flow of in Christ. Because joy is who you are in Christ, Peace is who you are in Christ. And you're not stepping into Christ Hill. You're yielding and drawing on the peace and joy that's on the inside of you. And it's not peace worked up by your emotions, joy worked up by your emotions. It's a fruit of the Spirit deposited in you at the new birth resident in you always, never leaving you. And it's not your peace and your joy. It's his. God has peace. God has joy. And he didn't send you out to go find yours because he's already got his. He gave you his so that you could live as he would have you live. Amen. Not everyone understood when I said, what? We're not coming out of this place to come into sorrow and grief and depression. And the way the Holy Ghost instructed me did not only hold me in the flow where God could carry us further, but it held my family in it and it held the congregation in it. And the entire ministry moved forward because one person, yes, because one person protected peace and protected joy. Why? Because the kingdom of God, the flow of the kingdom, the behavior of the kingdom, the attitude of the kingdom, the response of the kingdom is righteousness. Who I am in Christ, it's peace and it's joy. And if I step outside of peace and joy, I step outside of who I am in Christ. And the only thing left for me is flesh. If I step outside of Christ, the only thing left is. Is failing flesh. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. God said to me in the filming of this series that we've done, he said, many are robbed of the joy of who they are. And I just want to. I want to. I want to quote what he Said actually to me, he said many times, talking about us, you're so aware of yourselves, but in a critical way, where you missed it, where you could have done better, that you were robbed of the awareness of me who's in you. You forget what it means to be one with me and the joy of that place in me. We must remember that we are the harvest of heaven. On the seed heaven sowed. Jesus was the seed, and we are the harvest. And God rejoices in his harvest. He rejoices over us. And it's not because we behave well. It's because we belong to Him. He. We are his harvest. We are his harvest. And when we're not joyful, we're robbing God of the joy of being his harvest. It costs heaven everything to sow that seed of Jesus. Why did he do it? To bring many sons to glory. What is that bringing them into? In Christ. Amen. We are to live joyous because of one reason we're in Him. And it's the place God prepared for us before the foundation of the world. God sees us in him. He does not see us in us. He sees us as he made us to be righteous, clean, holy, victorious, whole, peaceful, joyful. Now it's up to us to live as rich as we are, to live as one who rejoices to know that we are the harvest of heaven. There was one night I was sitting at home on a Tuesday night, and the word of the Lord came to me and said, a warrior is coming home. And I thought it not me, right? Because he didn't say who. And I said, I resist being the warrior. And that was on a Tuesday night. And Thursday I got a phone call that someone close to me had just dropped dead, just like that. But when God said to me, a warrior is coming home, when he spoke those words, they were full of his pleasure. And I don't know how to say it other than that God was so pleased with how they had lived their life. What, did they die prematurely? Yes. But that did not rob God of the pleasure of how they had lived their life. And I sensed his pleasure in that. But then I got to thinking about the person that the last several years that they had faced great opposition physically. And in that they were so focused on the difficulty when you got around them, all you sensed was the difficulty. What was it? The devil was trying to rob them of the joy of their life, of obedience. And they did not go out joyful as, let me say this, as joyful as God was over them. And I've seen this happen. I want you to turn with me. Turn in your Bibles to John, chapter three. John, chapter three. And verse 25. The devil. Jerry Savelle had a sermon. If the devil can't what? Steal your joy, he can't what? Keep your goods. You better remember that one. He's after your joy. Why? Because joy is a force to keep the door closed to the devil. That's why. James said in James, chapter one, verse two. Consider it all joy. When you fall into diverse tests and temptations. Notice this. Tests and trials come. Joy keeps them out of you. You can't stop them from coming, but joy keeps them out of you. Joy is a force. It's not simply a feeling or an emotion. And it's not a joy you work up. It's God's own joy, resident in us, for us to draw on and spend any time we want. And if we will stay in joy, if we will stay in peace, we will live as one in Christ. So John 3, verse 25. Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. So here we have John's disciples. We have religious leaders. They're having a squabble. Verse 26. And they came to John and said unto him, rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou bearest witness. Now look at that. Now they're strifers. He that was with thee, whom you.
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You testified, behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Remember that. He saw Jesus from afar and said, behold, you have to remember this. John, the leading preacher of the day. All men came to him. He was the forefront general in the earth. And one day he walks. He sees Jesus walk by at a distance. He points to them. He points to him and says, behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. And from that day, his disciples that were following him shifted and went to Jesus. So this is what they're talking about. He whom thou bearest witness to you even put your stamp of approval on him. But look what he's doing to your crowds, John. Strifers again. Verse 26. And they came unto John and said unto him, rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou bearest witness to you put your stamp of approval on him. Behold, look. The same is baptizing. And all men are coming to him. In other words, the crowds are shifting, John. What you feel about that, John? They're trying to make John look at something outward to measure his obedience and his success to the plan. Of God. And John answered and said, a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven. Listen, somebody may try to take something for themselves, but it's temporary, it won't last. A man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness that I said I am not the Christ. So what's he doing? He's shutting down them. Trying to create division between him and Jesus. He's trying. They're trying to get John offended with Jesus. And he said, you remember I told you I'm not the Christ, but that I am sent before him? He that hath the bride is the bridegroom. What's the bride? The people. Who's the bridegroom. Yeah. In other words, he's saying, I'm not it. You're trying to make me stay or take a position Heaven didn't give me. They were trying to appeal to the humanity of success. But he said, but the friend of the bridegroom. So he calls himself the friend, not the bridegroom, but the friend of the bridegroom which standeth and heareth him. Look at this. Rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. This. My joy therefore is fulfilled. In other words, you're trying to make it look like my ministry is declining and it's fulfilled. Why? Because he thinks right. He knows his place, and he's not competing and he's not being sucked into the strife conversation of others who are carnal, looking at the flesh, measuring the number of people and then calling themselves successful based on numbers. And then John makes this statement, he must increase, but I must decrease. Look at this. He said, decrease is the place of victory for him. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Seen, this is what I was talking about last night. Some people want to increase. That's why they're on the platform. You better learn the position of decrease. Because that's the only way Jesus will take his way in the place he doesn't share. Increase. Talking about the place of increase. He doesn't share his glory in that sense. Amen. Every one of us are here, so he can be. He can be seen. He can be lifted up. And John said, he must increase, but I must decrease. So what was it? I love this phrase. He said in verse 29, he that hath the bride is the bridegroom, but the friend of the bridegroom which standeth and heareth him. Look at this. Rejoice. Rejoiceth greatly. He's coming to the end of his earthly ministry. And he says, I come into it, rejoicing greatly. Yeah. Can I tell you something, ministers? The devil would love to rob you of the fruit of joy and the celebration of obedience to God in past seasons by trying to make you look like you're being diminished. A lie of the enemy. This is what he tried to do on John here. But John remembered his place in the body. In the body. And it's not the head. And it's not about being the lead preacher and it's not about getting all the attention. It's not about having the bigger crowds. It is about me being me helping the body. It's about me turning. He did all the grunt work so that Jesus path was straight. He faced so much opposition, in fact, so much opposition, he took his head for it. I've heard preachers saying you need to drop this doctrine. I've heard preachers say this, that John the Baptist was weak because he let a woman take his head. No, I've heard people say, preachers doctrines say that John the Baptist missed it because he died so young. But Jesus, the word tells about John the Baptist. He's the forerunner. He was not just a forerunner in the earth, he was a forerunner to the grave. So he could go and announce in paradise, he's coming, he's coming. So that when Jesus came, he took many sons to glory. He had to perceive Jesus in life and in death. And he was winning. And he was saying, I'm transitioning. And I am greatly rejoiced because now I can leave the earth and I can go tell those in paradise, he's coming. He's coming. He's coming. He did not go out weak. He went out greatly rejoicing. Greatly rejoicing. Greatly rejoicing. I'm going to tell you something, preachers. If you find your identity in your call, you're going to miss it. Your identity is who you are in Christ. Why? Because your call can change. Your call can shift. God can move you around. And if you're just connected to your call, you're not connected to Christ in that measure. I mean, I pastored for 25 years now. You would think we invested a lot, my husband and I, in the start of that church. And he traveled and I tell you, it was financially him on the road helping support that local church while it got going. We went for long times without payroll. I'm talking about without a paycheck rather. We paid all kinds of sacrifices, but it was the plan of God to get it done. And we don't care what it costs. If you're not careful, you'll tie your emotions to your sacrifice and you'll start taking ownership of something that you're only a steward of. Wow. Because I knew I wouldn't be pastor forever, I thought it'd be five or six years. I had no idea it'd be 25 years. But I was grateful. I was, because I got to raise my sons during that time. But not only that, I got to learn some things so I can help pastors, so I can put some backbone in them. Because there are some pastors that need some gumption, and they'll confront some things and quit saying I'm walking in love, when they're really being permissive towards wrongdoing and calling it love. Love is not permissive toward wrongdoing. That's not an act of love. When the perfect society in heaven tried to get out of order one day, love rose up and kicked it out. And he kicked it so hard that all, all of heaven saw it. Amen. Some of you pastors need to kick some things off your platform and out of the way. And you know, there's this phrase that we have in the political world, you've heard it with present administration, and that is drain the swamp. Yeah, yeah, Come on, take your cue. Yeah, drain the swamp. Kick out some things instead of just giving it a warm place to stay and fester. I'm just saying you can't have a move of God. You can't have a move of God calling wrong. Right? Amen. People say, well, I'm just trying to protect some things. Well, protect the flow of the Holy Ghost. You're welcome. Where was I before I got off on that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I finished that one. Yeah, I was on John the Baptist. Oh, I know what I was on. I was talking about that the devil wants to make you attach your emotions and your self worth to your call. You can't do that. You can only attach yourself to who you are in Christ. Your total identity is not pastor, it's not apostle, it's not prophet, it's not evangelist, it's not teacher, it's in Christ. And if you attach your identity to anything else, then you're going to struggle when God goes to change and shift you around in the body of Christ. And you'll cause all kinds of problems. Because I knew after 25 years, I knew that there'd be a day that I would turn over the pastorate to my children and God could tell me in a day. Can I tell you one of the greatest things you can be in the kingdom of God is adaptable. That's right. Not rutted. Adaptable. Adaptable. Ready to move. Ready to. Faith is adaptable. Faith is ready to go any direction God sends, it's ready to go at a moment's notice. Well, if you'd have given me notice, I could have served in the church. Faith doesn't need notice. Well, you're welcome. Faith is ready. Faith lives ready. Not rutted. Ready. And so God said to me we were coming up on our 25th year of the church, and I'm not one. I'm not a real sentimental person. I do like stuff, but I'm not real sentimental. You don't have to be. I told my husband, you don't have to be home for my birthday. Just come home with money, give me money. I don't care. You know, I don't care. I don't tie my emotions to a certain day of the week, you know, if you're not here, no big deal. We'll celebrate when you get home. No big deal. No big deal. And because I knew this, our marriage and our home didn't have to look like everyone else's. It had to look like the plan of God for us.
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And people would look and people would say to me, you need to clip your husband's wings. Well, I didn't clip my husband's wings. Why? Because my home doesn't need to look like yours. That's right.
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Amen. It needs to look like the plan of God for us. And so anyway, so I knew that there was coming a time that we would change. And I always had travel in me. And that's what confused me in the earlier years when Ed would tell me, you're the pastor, and I'd say, I'm not the pastor because I had travel in me. But just because travel in me didn't mean it was time for travel. You have to learn that what's in you, it doesn't mean it's always time for what's in you. You better be led. So I got to travel some with my husband during those 25 years of pastoring. But God said to me at the 25th year, he said, I want you to have a celebration at the church celebrating 25 years. And I said, well, alright. I just thought it was for the people, you know, people might appreciate it, you know. And so I told the staff and we set up a big dinner and we set up a whole big weekend and we did it. And we were going to have the Big dinner on Sunday night. And Saturday night before the Sunday night, God spoke to me and he said, the reason I told you that I want you to have a celebration on the 25th is because this marks the end of your pastorate. Tomorrow night, I go, okay, let's do it. Ho. What's that mean? There's something else.
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No, my identity's not in the office. My identity's in Christ, and that never changes. That way, God can maneuver me anywhere. And I delight greatly to go because that is the spice of life. Following the plan of God. There's nothing more fun than following God. And I want you to know your life is full of seasons. And you cannot try to imitate and manufacture in one season what was in a previous season. You must let God's plan define what each season looks like and greatly rejoice to leave one season, greatly rejoice to enter another one. John the Baptist knew this. All the people are going to Jesus. Now I get to go and make another announcement. But he had to go through the door of death to do takes delighting greatly to face an end like that and see God's plan in that end. And the devil, you know, would have tried to stop, say, oh, tried to rob him. You're only in your 30s. And no, it's not about age. It's about assignment. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. I said, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Ministers, God trained you in one season to prepare you for the next. Do not abort the next by how you treat the season. You just came out of believers. Same thing. I so appreciate that when Stephen was born, Stephen and I were together basically till he was 12. It's just me and him, basically. And then when he hit about 12, he got to spend a lot more time with Ed, and he notices Daddy more, you know, at that time. And I would say to mother, I'd say, boy, I just so love this season of his life. And I so appreciate what mother said. She said, nancy, don't ruin the next season holding on to the past season. Every season is better than the past one. Now, just as a mother, she said that. But that's true in life. The next season is better than the past season. The next one is better. The Next one is better. The next one is better. And the devil would love to come and cause all these accusations, getting you to look at faults, failures, where you missed it because he wants to rob you of the joy of your obedience so that you don't. You're not able to answer. Like John, I greatly rejoice. What did hearing the bridegroom's voice mean to him? The change of this season in my life. He's hearing another voice. And that was the voice that he was preparing the people for. And when that voice was heard, he says, now my voice changes. My voice is now not directed in the earth anymore. It's directed to Paradise. And I'm going to go and announce he's coming. And you're going to be in captivity, will be led captive out of this place. Oh, baby. See, they were talking about the numbers and John was already on Paradise. Praise the Lord. What was it in Christ. In Christ. He was just fulfilling the plan of heaven. Never let your past rob you that you are. Rob you of the joy that you're in Him. Now I want to read some scriptures to you. Can I do that, Zephaniah? How about that? No. Let me. You might want to just write some of these down, because sometimes you might take a while to find. Or you can go through the. Your. Your device real quick. Isaiah 62, verse 5. The last phrase. Isaiah 62, verse 5. As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. God rejoices over you. And the devil who's the accuser of the brethren is constantly coming to you to paint you a failure. Paint your weaknesses, point to your faults, point to where you missed it. Point to where you could have done it better. Because he wants to rob you of the joy of who you belong to. And you're not a success in life because you did it right. None of your victory hinges on you. It's all on him and you releasing your faith for the victory he made yours. Amen. You're not a victor apart from him. So it says, thy God rejoice over thee. How many people don't believe this? They're beating themselves up. They're listening to the accuser of the brethren. Zephaniah, chapter three, verse 17. And this is an amplified classic translation. It says, the Lord your God is in the midst of you. Well, we got it even better than this. He's in us. He's not just in our midst, he is in our midst. Listen, one preacher was arguing with dad. Hagin. He said, you know, Gad Hagin would say, well, God inhabits the praises of his people. And one preacher would come and argue with him and say, no, that's not true, because God inhabits his people now. Well, you know, it's both. He can do both of them.
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We got the Old Testament, plus we didn't lose any blessing of the old covenant. The only thing we got redeemed of from the old covenant was the curse. But the blessing is still intact of the old covenant. And then he added a better covenant on top of it. So we don't have to let go of any of the blessing of the old, we just add to it. So he dwells in his people, but he also dwells in our praises. Amen. So Zephaniah, chapter 3, verse 17. Again, the Lord your God is in the midst of of you, but he's also in me, right? A mighty one, a Savior who saves. He will rejoice over you with joy. He will rest in silent satisfaction. And in his love he will be silent and make no mention of past sins. Listen to that. In his love for you, he loves you so much. He will be silent and make no mention of your past sins or even recall them. Why? Because he will exalt over you with singing. The blood of Jesus cleanses you, and it's no longer there. And that's what Cindy was singing about. When he sees us, he sees us in him, clean, holy, righteous. Why? Because we are his harvest. And he's not sad about his harvest. He's rejoicing over his harvest because the seed of Jesus cost him everything to have us as a harvest. And even your past can't rob him of the joy of you being his harvest. Amen. And then we know this. Philippians 3, verse 1, amplified classic. For the rest, my brethren, delight yourselves in the Lord and continue to rejoice. What? That you are what in Him. You are in Him. If you'll rejoice over being in him, all that in him holds will flow in your life. But so many people, the devil, the accuser, the brethren, is constantly pointing us back to our past, where you missed it, how you could have done better. The accuser of the brethren is trying to dislodge and dismantle the joy out of your life. But why? Because then he takes you into a flow outside of in Christ. Protect your joy. Get up every day and start thanking God. Thank God I'm in Him, In Christ. Today I'm in Christ. Today I'm in Christ. Today I'm in Christ. When I'm in Christ, I'm in awe that heaven has made mine. Amen. Hallelujah. Psalm chapter five and verse eleven. Psalm chapter five and verse 11 and 12. This is an amplified classic. It says this. But let all those who take refuge and put their trust in you rejoice. Let them ever sing and shout for joy because you make a covering over them and defend them. Let those who love your name be joyful in you and be high in spirits for you. Lord will bless the uncompromisingly righteous. Couldn't we say in Christ, him who is upright and in right, standing with you as with a shield, you will surround him with good will, pleasure and favor. God has pleasure in you. He has pleasure in you. And the devil wants to rob God of the pleasure and the joy of you being his harvest by constantly accusing and getting you to turn in upon yourself. And you're not joyful that you belong to Him. The way to enjoy who you are in Christ is rejoice that you are in Him. Amen. Hallelujah. When we know and walk in who we are in Christ, we come into the highest order of faith. That is the highest order of faith. And when someone has faith issues, they really have in Christ issues. They have not established what belongs to them in Christ and who they are. We're to live mindful that God's in us so that we will constantly yield to him working through us. We have to build this consciousness in us. Christ is in Me. What's that mean? All he is is in Me. How many of you know there's no sick in Him. There's no lack in Him. There's no harassment in Him. There's no fear in Him. There's no torment in Him. And all those things come to try to entice us, entice us away from the awareness who we are in Him. Amen. So we draw on the greater One, putting Him to work. How do we draw on Him? He does the work. He's the one that does the work. But how do we draw on Him? First of all, we release our faith that he's in us. We talk about we have words of faith, Christ in Me, he's doing the work. And then how do we also draw on Him? We obey what he says, says. We obey Him. Amen. In Christ, we're whole. Outside of him, we're not Amen. In joy, we're in the flow of the kingdom and operating as one in Christ. Outside of joy, we stepped outside of the flow of the kingdom. I want you to know there's no lack in Christ. I said there's no lack in Christ. We are to stop being aware and mindful of where we've missed it, what we're not, what we've done wrong. And that's what the devil, the accuser of the brethren, is constantly holding before humanity. Constantly. That's his strategy. Why is that? Because then you'll keep trying to do better. Can I tell you how hopeless it is to keep trying to do better? Now get that. We must stop trying to do better because we're already in Christ. And he wants you struggling, trying in yourself to be something apart from him. Well, praise the Lord. For example, someone that has a troubling habit, troubling addiction, and they're trying to kick it, they're trying to do better. And then they get frustrated. Why? Because they're trying to operate outside of in Christ. If they would say, in Christ, there's no bad habit in Christ, there is no addiction and I'm in Christ. And you start talking about who you are in Christ and quit focusing on what you want to be out of your life. If you'll focus on the play, on the place you are already been raised to in Christ. In Christ will run out all of that. But how do you activate it? With your words and your attention and your. And your actions that follow in line with that. Amen. By faith we have to act like we're in Christ. Yes, yes. By faith. Don't we have to act like we're healed when we feel symptoms by faith we act like that. You say, well, I'm trying to do better. I'm trying to get rid of addictions. No, you are in Christ. You need to say, I'm in Christ. Therefore this can't live with someone in Christ and quit trying to do better because he already did best for you. What you going to bring to in Christ? What measly effort do you have to offer in Christ? We don't have to try to be who we are. We don't have to struggle to lay hold of who we are. We are in Christ right now, this moment. We are in that. And if we will talk to opposition from that place, I'm in Christ. And that can't defeat in Christ. Those symptoms cannot stay in Christ because wholeness is in Christ. That unpaid bill cannot stay on in Christ. I'm not trying to get prosperity. I'm in Christ. I'm not trying to get healed. I'm in Christ. You are already there. We are not Trying to do better and manufacture better behavior. Jesus did not come so that he could give you better behavior. He came to make you one with the Father. And because you're one, your behavior shows that and comes up to that. You can't change your behavior enough to earn goodness. What is that? That's people trying to dress up the old man. That old man's stinks. Amen. We have to change our thinking. Quit struggling to be who we are. We have to start talking who we are. Talk who we are. Talk who we are. Talk who we are. You've heard me say this. People will say, well, you got to talk things out. When they're talking it out, you're letting it in, positive or negative. I got to talk out my past. No, you're in Christ now. All that is overpowered by him and who you are in him and what belongs to you in Him. Amen. When symptoms come, say I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ, and in Christ I'm already whole. These symptoms cannot stay. I don't have to get rid of them. I don't have to try to be healed. In Christ is healed. And you have to say that in face of symptoms. And when that. And when the devil sees you know something, he'll back off of you because he's going to go where he can get a harvest. Amen. Remember what Jesus said? He said, satan came and found nothing in me. Why? Because everywhere Jesus went, the enemy tried to sow the wrong seeds in him. Through opposition, through religious leaders, through attacks, through every kind of strategy, the devil tried to work against him and none of it got in him. But the Devil came to see and Jesus said he found nothing. He came looking for a harvest on all he tried to sow in me, but I knew who I was and I didn't let any of it in. And he had no harvest in me and he left. When the devil can't get a harvest off of you, he'll leave you alone. In those situations, you've got to answer him who you are in Christ. And he's got to leave because there's no harvest for the devil off a man who's in Christ. You know where the harvest is for the devil. The devil walks about seeking whom he may devour. Notice what it doesn't say. The devil walks about devouring. He doesn't walk about devouring, he walks about seeking. He's got to find people who are ignorant, that don't know who they are. Can I tell you, your healing is as simple as you saying, in Christ, I'm whole. In Christ, I'm whole in Christ. Talk about who you are in Christ. When addictions try to come up and bother you, in Christ I'm free. There is no addiction in Christ.
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Amen.
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Amen. If you'll start talking about in Christ when you go to pay unpaid bills, in Christ, I'm provided for. We've got to change our language. And this is why songs are so important. You walk out with. They put doctrine of this in songs so that you can walk out singing your place instead of believing any old thing the accuser throws at you. The devil's always got to draw you back to your past, draw you back to your flesh, because in your flesh is nothing but failure. But you have to draw him into that arena, that spirit arena. How do you do that? You say in Christ. You start talking about who you are and what you have. And as you heard Stephen, you got to be aggressive about it because the devil is mean and ugly. And you better get mean and ugly. The Bible says that be. What's it say about the serpent and the dove? Wise as a serpent. Ah, wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. You use a dove mentality on a serpent and that serpent wins. You got to deal with a serpent like he's a serpent. You deal with him at his level, you better out talk him because he's going to accuse you. And you try to act like a dub while I'm being a dove. Well, the serpent, the dove loses in the. When it's faced with a serpent. You, you, when you face it, when you're faced dealing with a dove, you deal with him like a dove. But when you're dealing with the serpent, you better be as wise as he is and you better deal with him like he's a serpent. You know, I had to, I had to tell our congregation, I say this and I'm not, I'm not up here talking to any political party, but I had to tell our congregation, you need to think. You need to think in elections. You're not voting for a pastor. Yeah, come on. And they want a man to be a pastor. Yeah. Every government leader is dealing with serpents. They're not dealing with sheep, they're dealing with serpents. You need somebody with a serpent mentality in there that I'm protecting my nation, I'm keeping my nation safe. You don't have to have somebody up there quoting, you know, for God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son to whosoever. But that's our job. Let the politician. They're dealing with wolves, they're dealing with serpents. And you need to have that. This is why I'm saying people aren't sound anymore. They want to turn everyone weak. I tell you what, you go weak in the face of the devil and the serpent wins. You better get bold and ugly about who you are in Christ when you're talking to the enemy. Amen. The kingdom of heaven suffereth or permits violence and the violent, it tells you they take it. They take it. They take it. You know how you take something when something gets hold of you, kick it in the face and you say, get off. That's how you take something. You don't just walk around, go, the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. No, I'll kick you out in the face. I'll kick you smooth in the face. Symptoms are nothing but the temptation to come out of who you are in Christ. Lack is nothing but a temptation to come out of who you are in Christ. Amen. Accusations of the enemy are nothing but a temptation to draw you out of who you are in Christ. The accuser of the brethren. Your past being rehearsed to you is nothing but a temptation to come out of who you are in Christ. And the sad thing is, that's where most Christians live outside of who they are. They conduct their marriages, they conduct, conduct their homes, everything. They conduct everything outside of who they are in Christ. But that, that needs. That's fixable. I said that's fixable. How is it teaching people? Teaching people. Amen. Well, some of you are really quiet. I came get here. Pastor Nancy, Listen, you can't carve granite with butter knife. You better get out the jackhammer. You gotta kick some things. You gotta kick start some things. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. I'm not healed because my body quit hurting. Healed because I'm in Christ. So if my body keeps hurting, no problem. I don't believe in Christ just because symptoms are trying to entice me to talk like one outside of Christ. When you talk about symptoms, you're talking outside of Christ. Yeah, that's right. When you talk about lack, you're talking like one outside of Christ. How do we change it? Talk like one in Christ. Because you are. You are in Christ. I'm not trying to be in him. I'm not trying to win. I'm not trying to get rid of situations. I'm not trying to overcome the devil. I'm not trying to get healing. I am in Christ. I am In Christ. I am in Christ. And I am in all he is. Amen. Hallelujah. How easy is it to answer opposition? I'm in Christ. Answer sentence. I'm in Christ. There's no symptoms in Christ. And I refuse to put my attention on what's outside of Christ. This is the skill of faith. You have to hold your attention on who you are in Christ and what belongs to you and get your attention off of everything that is not of him. Listen. When you're believing God for a miracle, you don't have any. Any room for except what God says. When you're believing God for healing, you don't have any room except for what God says. Amen. You're to put God's word in your mouth. You are in Christ. Amen. What is it? Over. In Ephesians, chapter 1, verse 16, Paul prayed that God would give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation and the knowledge of who you are in him that he would give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation. You have to have the spirit of God to reveal this to you. What's this mean? You're going to have to spend time listening. Show God I'm hungry. Get this on the inside of you. I'm in Christ. When you start talking that the Holy Spirit sees that that hunger can be answered with revelation and he will unfold. If you'll just walk around your house. I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ. Everything of my being. It's not just spiritually. I'm in Christ. Spirit, soul and body. I'm in Christ. All of me. All of me. Can I tell you this? When Jesus went into the temple that day and they were. There were money changers in there, what did he do? He's kicking over tables, making whips. You heard Stephen talk about it. Making whips we talking about, brother. This is a man's man. He went in there and he broke some furniture. Right, Levi? He broke some furniture. Some people need to be breaking some furniture. Amen.
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That's right.
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And he came in there and he set things in order. Why? Because those money changers, those wrong motives, were robbing the temple of its highest purpose. And he wasn't okay with it. And he went in there and started kicking stuff over. Can I tell you what? Sickness and disease robs you of your highest purpose. And he's not okay with it. Amen. So he empowers you to walk free from that. Hallelujah. One of the things that I've been holding before God is we. We need to become More skillful at living long and living strong because so many, so many go out emaciated. It's not right. And I'm not. I'm not. I'm not judging someone. I'm saying we got to do better. How do we do better? Remember who we're in. We're in Christ. The path of the righteous grows brighter and brighter. What is that? Our words and our thinking has to line up within Christ. I'm not having a different exit than in Christ authored for me. He didn't author for me to be sitting feeble in a corner somewhere, Retiring and being put on the back shelf. Amen. What is this? It's a lack of revelation of who we are in Christ. How we finish matters to God. I said how we finish matters to God. We need to be skillful at living as one in Christ. But if people don't realize that it take. We're to rest and recline on that. We're not trying to be that. But we do have to add our faith to it and our obedience to it. Amen. Well, are you helped tonight? It is a joy to be in him.
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It's a joy to be in him.
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The accuser of the brethren brings up your past to rob you of the joy of being in Him. To try to get you focused on something other than him. Recognize the strategy? John the Baptist recognized the strategy of these little strifers. He recognized trying to make it look like because in the natural, his ministry looked to be decreasing. But he was really coming into the thing where he was headed for all along. I'm going to go announce his announcing wasn't done on the earth. It had to be carried into paradise. Amen. And most preachers today are still saying he went out. He went out as a murdered man. No, he went out. He went out on God's terms. God permitted it to get him into his next season, his next phase of obedience. Because your obedience doesn't stop on the earth. Your obedience carries into eternity. And if you don't learn obedience here, you'll have to learn it. There's. Can I tell you this? The last time, even angels can't do what they want. The last time an angel tried to do something other than what God said, he got kicked out. Angels can only move at what God says. Obedience only moves at what God says in Christ. Only moves at what God says. We're not trying to rewrite our own life. I'm moving in Christ. And he's my. He. He's my captain. He tells me what to do. He's my commanding officer and I'm under command. Amen. Amen. Amen. I'm in Christ. You're in Christ. Can I tell you if you'll get this revelation, what that'll mean to your marriage? You won't have to fuss and fight to try to win your way, because you're not. Your identity is not in how someone treats you in that marriage. I'm not saying people should treat you wrong. I'm not saying that at all. But I am saying this. If you're trying to. If you're. If you're making your happiness and your joy on how someone treats you, you're going to live. Cheated. Praise the Lord. Christ does nothing but treat you great. Amen.
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Hallelujah.
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Hallelujah. We got to sing it again. Destiny, come on. We got to sing it again. I want the bridge. I want the whole thing. Everybody stand up.
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Amen.
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Hallelujah.
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No shadow, no darkness no looking back all things are new no distance, no separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things are new no shadows, no darkness, no looking back all things, all things are new no Jesus, no separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things are you you and no s no to nothing is lost all things are new no distance, no separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things are you. The source of everything. His Christ inside who lives and moves and breath he's washed away the remnants of who I used to be and the very same power that raised Jesus up has resurrected me no shadow, no darkness no looking back all things are new. Is this no separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things are new it's the source of everything I'll ever need His Christ inside who lives and moves every he's washed away the remnants of who I used to be and the very same power that raised Jesus up has resurrected me no shadow, no darkness no looking back all things are new. Separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things of. Nothing is lost all things are new oh, Jesus. No separation I am in Christ Christ is in me all things are you I am in Christ Christ is in me all things I am in Christ Christ has sent me all things I am in Christ Christ and sent me all things.
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In Christ we are the healed. I said in Christ we are we're not trying to be. We are. Hallelujah. And we remind symptoms and we remind pain and we remind disease. We know that and it's not our body healed that tells us that we're whole it's in Christ that tells us we're whole. It's not money that makes you rich. It's in Christ who. Who made you rich. And because you're in Christ, the money must come. And because you're in Christ, symptoms must leave. Amen. They must leave. They must leave. We're not trying to get rid of them. They must leave because we know we're in Christ. And now, can I say this? You might be in here tonight and you never heard teaching along this line, but if you'll walk out of here going, I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ. And it might not seem like a full picture to you, but if you'll keep saying it, you'll keep moving into the unfolding of what that means, the Holy Ghost will reveal to you, and you'll live a different life. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, every on Thursday night, as we've been saying, we will minister to anyone and everyone who wants hands laid on them for healing. But if you're here tonight, and this is your last time that you can be in this set of meetings, and you came to have hands laid on you, we want you to come forward because we want to minister to you. Hallelujah. But we're encouraging everybody else. Get in as many services as you can. Why? Because it's going to feed your faith, strengthen your faith so that you can easily lay hold of what belongs to you. Amen. How many of you know wholeness is ours in Christ? Not just feeling better. Not just feeling better, but wholeness. Everything put back the way it ought to be. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. It matters to us that people live as rich as they are. It matters to us. Amen. Doesn't it matter to you that these people receive the healing that is theirs, their wholeness, that's theirs in Christ. Yeah. So we're going to release our faith with you. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. And God gives you the easy part. After you leave this place or after you even have hands laid on you, say, because I'm in Christ, I'm whole. It's not because my body changes, but because I'm in Christ, I'm whole. Because I'm in Christ, I'm whole. Because I'm in Christ, I'm whole. Because I'm in Christ, I'm whole. I'm whole now. I'm not waiting for it. I'm in Christ right now. Therefore, wholeness is mine right now. And this realm will catch up. See, you can't let this realm decide whether or not you're in Christ. The Word tells you you're in Christ. Amen. And this realm will catch up with that if you'll stick with it. Amen. If you'll stick with it. If you'll stick with it, Hallelujah. If you won't change, everything else must. I said, if you won't change. If you won't change your confession, everything else must change. It must change. It must change. But don't let circumstances change you. Amen. You're in Christ. Say this after me. I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ. And in Christ is my wholeness. I'm whole right now because I'm in Christ right now. Now I hold to that. And that this realm must change. It must change. It changes. It changes. Amen. I'm not changing. I'm in Christ. Listen, when you're in the right place, you don't need to change seats. Amen. Hallelujah. Congregation, reach your hands out toward these. Say this along with me, those of you who are up here, say, when hands are laid on me, the healing power of God will go into my body. It will drive out pain and symptoms, sickness and disease, because I'm the whole one. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Father, we thank you. We thank be. There. There goes that anointing in there. Went in you. There. It went in you.
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Come here.
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Come here. There it goes in. There. It goes in. Let it take it all the way in. If you would just put your foot up right next to that step for me. Just put your toes right up next to that step for me, if you would. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. There's somebody standing behind over there. They need to help them. Is that where they want to be? Or they need to be in the line? Okay. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. We thank you, Father. Behold, in Jesus name, we're not settling for anything less than who we are in him. We're not settling. We're not putting up with it. We kick back against it. We resist. What's the matter with you, sir?
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Nothing is lost. All things I do.
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Yeah.
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I speak to that cancer to die.
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That went inside Christ is in me.
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All things are.
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What's the matter with you?
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No sin.
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We just had stage three.
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Stage. He knows how to put it back in place.
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Yes, he does. Behold, be put back in Jesus. And what about you, sir? Yeah. Yeah. Father, we thank you for wholeness. What about you, sir? Father, we thank you for.
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Thank you for restoring, restoring, restoring.
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Free from pain. Free from pain. Behold in Jesus, Jesus name. Behold in Jesus name. Behold in Jesus name.
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Christ is in me. All things of you. I am in christ. Christ is in. Nothing. Is lost. All things are new. Separation. I am in Christ. Christ is in me. All things love you. I live in Christ. Christ is in me all things of you. I live in Christ. Christ is in.
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I like the line, nothing is lost. Because how many times the devil tells you, because of wrong decisions, wrong steps, wrong relationships, that something of God's plan is lost? God knows how to lose nothing. Can I tell you what's lost? The devil. He's lost. And the worst kind of lost. He doesn't even know it. Amen. But don't ever believe that what you did is greater than what Christ did in you. Him in you is far greater than anything you've ever messed up. Amen. And you are right with God as a gift of heaven, not because you're trying. You're done trying. We're not trying to be healed. And when you, those that I laid hands on, and when you walk out and questions start coming, well, when's it going to change? Well, when are things going to get better? That's outside of Christ. Don't fall into that trap. Questions are outside of Christ. There's no questions in Christ. It's all answers in Christ. So the devil's trying to pull you outside of the awareness that you are in Christ. And you don't have to answer the devil's questions that he poses. He's confused. But just because he's confused, you're not. Amen. Your answer is, in Christ. I'm whole right now. In Christ. I'm whole right now. When's it going to happen in Christ? I'm whole right now. Right now. Right now. And if you're going to say, I'm going to be healed one day, then you're off the word. Because God doesn't say, one day you're going to be healed. Faith is now. Faith is now. Faith is now. I'm in Christ right now, therefore I'm whole now. I'm in Christ now, therefore I'm whole now. And when you do that, your faith is giving God's power permission to perform that. When you say those words, you're giving his power permission to perform that. And until you say it, he doesn't have your permission. And you got to say it more than once. Why? Because you've listened to the devil more than once. Amen. And it's the way we live. We talk about who we are in Him. Amen. In him we what? Live. In him we move. And in him we have our being. That's why the Devil works so hard to pull you into awareness of outside of Christ. Because he knows in Christ there's no foothold he can get in you. Amen. Hallelujah.
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Hallelujah.
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Let's all say it. In Christ I'm whole now. In Christ I'm provided for right now. All that I need is mine now. All that I want is mine now because I'm in Christ and this realm will catch up with my words. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, become a partner, or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of defrain Ministries.
Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Date: May 7, 2025
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Location: High Springs, Florida | JTH Crusades 2025
In this passionately delivered message, Pastor Nancy Dufresne explores the profound truth and practical reality of living “in Christ.” Drawing from personal testimony, biblical exposition, and prophetic insight, she emphasizes that the core of the Christian experience is not performance or striving but the joy, peace, and righteousness that are the believer’s inheritance because of their union with Jesus. Through vivid examples and exhortations, Nancy teaches how to identify and overcome the devil’s strategies to rob believers of their joy—especially by getting them to focus on their failures or circumstances instead of their identity “in Him.”
“The Spirit of God said, I don’t want you to go that direction. I want you to teach on ‘in Christ’... and revelation came and unction came and utterance came...” (01:49)
“Who you are is peace. Who you are is joy. Because you can’t be in Christ and not have peace and joy.” (04:24)
Powerful Testimony (06:13):
She recalls God’s instruction just before a family tragedy: “All I want you doing is practicing peace.”
Over years, by casting down thoughts that didn’t lead to peace and joy, she was prepared for the death of her husband, remaining in supernatural peace and resisting grief:
“In that flow, there’s no grief. In that flow, there’s no sorrow. Why? Because the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.” (07:52)
“Death is no match for the force of peace.” (08:18)
Choosing to remain in the peace and joy that is the believer’s birthright enabled her, her family, and the ministry to move forward without being overcome by sorrow (10:34).
“It’s not your peace and your joy. It’s His.” (11:21)
“Many times, you’re so aware of yourselves in a critical way... that you are robbed of the awareness of Me who’s in you.” (14:13)
Text: John 3:25–30 (18:44)
John’s disciples attempted to create strife and comparison, but John responds:
“A man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven... He must increase, but I must decrease.” (21:11)
John the Baptist’s joy was in fulfilling his God-given role, even when it meant apparent decrease. The devil tries to rob ministers of joy by getting them to measure success by numbers or public recognition.
Quote to Ministers:
“If you find your identity in your call, you’re going to miss it. Your identity is who you are in Christ.” (24:10)
“Don’t ruin the next season holding on to the past season. Every season is better than the past one.” (33:14)
“He will rejoice over you with joy… be silent and make no mention of past sins.” (38:07)
“In Christ, there’s no addiction/illness/lack. I am in Christ, therefore this cannot stay in me.” (42:00)
“You better get bold and ugly about who you are in Christ when you’re talking to the enemy.” (49:40) “Symptoms are nothing but the temptation to come out of who you are in Christ. Lack is nothing but a temptation to come out of who you are in Christ.” (50:40)
On identity and calling:
“Your total identity is not pastor, it’s not apostle, it’s not prophet, it’s not evangelist, it’s not teacher, it’s in Christ.” (24:34)
On resisting comparison:
“You cannot try to imitate and manufacture in one season what was in a previous season. You must let God’s plan define what each season looks like and greatly rejoice to leave one season, greatly rejoice to enter another one.” (32:22)
On being the harvest of God:
“It’s not because we behave well. It’s because we belong to Him... When we’re not joyful, we’re robbing God of the joy of being His harvest.” (14:55)
On the accuser’s tactics:
“If the devil can’t steal your joy, he can’t keep your goods.” (17:27, quoting Jerry Savelle) “The accuser of the brethren brings up your past to rob you of the joy of being in Him.” (59:20)
On practicing truth:
“If you’ll practice staying in peace, staying in joy, you’re practicing who you are in Christ.” (09:56)
On aggressive faith:
“The kingdom of heaven permits violence, and the violent… they take it. You know how you take something? When something gets hold of you, kick it in the face and say, ‘Get off!’” (50:30)
Repeated chorus reinforces the sermon’s central truth:
“No shadow, no darkness, no looking back, all things are new... No separation, I am in Christ, Christ is in me... Nothing is lost, all things are new.”
Pastor Nancy Dufresne powerfully articulates that the Christian’s foundation, victory, and source of joy are found exclusively in the reality of being “in Christ.” By refusing to let circumstances, emotions, or the past dictate identity or expectations, believers can experience unshakeable peace and joy. The sermon is both theological and practical, culminating in a call to make bold, faith-filled confessions and to live out of our true identity—resulting in transformation, freedom, and wholeness.
For further resources or testimonies, visit: dufresneministries.org