Podcast Summary: "The Laying On Of Hands"
Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Guest Minister: Kenneth Copeland
Host: Nancy Dufresne
Event: Holy Ghost Meetings 2021, World Harvest Church, Murrieta, CA
Date: January 10, 2021
Episode Overview
This episode centers on the biblical and spiritual practice of the laying on of hands—its theological foundations, scriptural significance, and powerful testimonies from Kenneth Copeland's ministry experience. Kenneth emphasizes that the laying on of hands is a sacred doctrine for the church, not to be taken lightly or performed as empty ritual. The episode combines foundational teaching, personal stories, scriptural study, practical guidance for believers, and an extended time of ministry focusing on healing and impartation.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. The Life of Faith
- Living by Faith: Kenneth opens with a challenge: living and walking by faith is not optional for a believer. "Those that live by faith...never have to change our lifestyle because of the tithe." (00:31)
- Faith in Difficult Times: Faith is tested most when feelings and circumstances seem contrary. "Well, Brother Copeland, I just don't feel like God's with me. Well, that's when you better believe he is." (00:55)
2. Remembering Ed Dufresne
- Humor and Legacy: Kenneth reminisces about Ed Dufresne's joyful personality and spiritual hunger—particularly Ed's habit of sharing teaching tapes everywhere he went. (03:36)
- Ed's Simplicity: "The Lord didn’t call me because I was eloquent. He called me because I was available." (03:54)
- Being a Tapeworm: "We were not bookworms, we were tapeworms. I’m telling you…" (05:26), highlighting the early days of ministry resourcefulness.
3. Personal Testimonies of Deliverance and Guidance
- Overcoming Addiction: Kenneth shares his deliverance from cigarettes through immersion in God’s Word. "That’s the reason after I got delivered, I carried my New Testament in my pocket... that’s what broke it." (10:58)
- Obedience & Supernatural Provision: He recounts step-by-step faith decisions, including quitting his job, a miraculous escape from a car accident (17:44), and timely provision through fellow believers.
- God’s Protection: The car accident story (17:44–23:00) powerfully illustrates the protective, intervening miracles God performs in response to faith and the prayers of others.
4. Foundations of Maturity in Christ
- The Six Doctrines of Christ: Kenneth expounds on Hebrews 6:1–2 —
- Repentance from dead works
- Faith toward God
- Doctrine of baptisms
- Laying on of hands
- Resurrection of the dead
- Eternal judgment
- "These things are sacred. These are the fundamental principles of the doctrines of Christ, the Messiah, the Jesus God." (38:00)
- Judgment & Criticism: He warns against judging others—especially ministers—and links this to the principle of seedtime and harvest. (49:21)
"Jesus said, judge not lest you be judged. And the way you measure it, it’ll be measured back to you." (49:47)
5. The Doctrine and Practice of Laying On Of Hands
- Scriptural Basis:
- Referencing Luke 4:40 and Luke 13:10, Kenneth points to Jesus laying hands on the sick as a model for ministry (55:23).
- 1 Timothy 5:22 cautions, "Lay hands suddenly on no man," reinforcing the laying on of hands as a sacred act, not mere ritual.
- Transmission of Anointing:
- The hands are a point of contact for the transmission of God’s power: "There must be a point where you release your faith..." (85:12)
- Impartation from Spiritual Fathers:
- Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, and personal encounters with God confirm Kenneth’s commission to minister in healing through laying on hands (89:18).
- Reluctance and humility: "I just didn’t want to say it publicly. And then I let it slip... I had to repent. And I repent before you." (90:55)
6. Healing & Testimonies through Laying On Of Hands
[From 94:49 onward—extensive, practical healing ministry in real time]
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Foundations for Receiving: Kenneth consistently guides people to cooperate by faith:
"Say this: I call myself well. I call myself healed. My head’s healed... and all in between is healed. I receive it. And don't let anything else get in your mouth." (106:43)
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Notable Miraculous Accounts:
- Blindness Healed: An elderly woman's testimony—"She couldn’t see. She was legally blind... I put my hands on her eyes... She said, 'I see you.'" (96:17)
- Tumor Disappears: "She went and spit that tumor out on the floor and jumped up and ran off that bed..." (83:20)
- Restored Mobility: Multiple testimonies of pain, injury, or paralysis immediately resolved following prayer.
- Healing for Children: A mother brings her baby with a defective heart; Kenneth prays, declaring, "A brand new heart. Brand new one right out of the box. Brand new." (174:32)
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Appropriate Approach to Healing Lines:
- Come for yourself, not for others. "That’s dangerous. You’re coming up there under false pretenses." (91:23)
- "You don’t have to be in the line. ...receive it right where you are." (94:25)
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Faith Confessions:
- "You cooperate with the anointing that’s in me and on me by saying, I can. And it worked." (111:30)
- Six I’s of Faith: "I believe, I will. I take it, I have it. I’m grateful for it and I forgive." (116:17)
7. Practical Advice
- Faith Applied to Healing:
- Kenneth advises regular actions and confessions corresponding to faith, such as soaking aching knees in Epsom salts as practical wisdom received in prayer (170:31).
- Laughing as Medicine:
- He references studies showing the power of laughter for healing: "At Johns Hopkins University... they have laughing classes... The joy of the Lord is your strength." (142:32)
- Power of Final Thoughts:
- Nancy Dufresne advises that what believers focus on before sleep impacts faith and victory (166:51): "Saying the right thing, holding, focusing on him as you go to sleep."
8. Ministry Impartation and Conclusion
- Imparting Healing and Anointing: Kenneth lays hands and speaks healing over people for a vast range of needs—physical, spiritual, emotional, and mental—always connecting it to scriptural promises.
- Commissioning for Ministry: Kenneth imparts the healing anointing to a young preacher in training (144:09).
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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Kenneth Copeland:
"We were not bookworms, we were tapeworms. That’s right. I’m telling you..." (05:26)
"Faith is not just an idea to you. The just, the righteous, live by faith." (00:29)
"I named it, claimed it, blabbed it, grabbed it, and I still got it." (41:47)
"He didn’t call me because I was eloquent. He called me because I was available." (03:54, recalling Ed Dufresne)
"Healing is not a reward." (68:09)
"Who called you? You’re not Kenneth Hagin. You’re Kenneth Copeland. I called you." (90:55)
"I have the victory. I don’t receive it in any way, shape or form, but I’ve dealt with a lot of weird torments..." (166:03)
"Let there be hip sockets, saith the Lord." (173:51) -
Nancy Dufresne:
"Saying the right thing, holding. Focusing on him as you go to sleep." (167:06) -
Prayer Minister/Assistant:
"Every time for my lungs. Every time I can hike again?"
"You cooperate with the anointing... by changing, by saying I can." (111:30) -
Practical Application:
"You remember Abraham called things that be not as though they were, so say this: I call myself well." (106:43)
Timestamps for Important Segments
- Faith and Ed Dufresne’s Legacy: 00:30 – 10:00
- Deliverance and Divine Protection Testimonies: 10:43 – 23:00
- Scriptural Teaching on Foundational Doctrines: 37:03 – 44:44
- Detailed Teaching on Laying On Of Hands: 55:17 – 68:09
- Healing Ministry/Impartation Begins: 94:49
- Six I’s of Faith Concept: 116:17
- Children and Sleep (Advice from Nancy): 166:51
- Laughter as Medicine: 142:32
- Concluding Worship and Praise: 179:15
Final Thoughts
Through Scripture, testimony, and a powerful demonstration of ministry, this episode imparts deep respect for the doctrine of laying on of hands. Listeners are encouraged to approach healing and impartation with faith, humility, and scriptural foundation, trusting in the faithfulness of God and the promises in His word.
Key Takeaway:
The laying on of hands is a sacred means by which God’s anointing flows for healing, blessing, and ministry.
"These things are sacred. These are the fundamental principles of the doctrines of Christ, the Messiah, the Jesus God." (38:00)
Believers are urged to lay hold of God’s promises practically, speak faith, judge not, and uphold the power of confession and point of contact in their daily lives.