The Problem Is With The Receiver, Part 2 | Bill Winston | Campmeeting 2026 | Friday AM

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Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Episode: The Problem Is With The Receiver, Part 2 | Bill Winston | Campmeeting 2026 | Friday AM
Date: June 16, 2026
Host: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Guest Speaker: Dr. Bill Winston

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Episode Overview

In this rich and dynamic session at Campmeeting 2026, Dr. Bill Winston delivers "The Problem Is With The Receiver, Part 2," focusing on spiritual authority, redemption, and the believer’s responsibility to receive all God has already finished. Using key biblical stories—Lazarus and the rich man, Adam and Eve, Mary and the birth of Jesus, and especially Joseph’s ascent in Egypt—Dr. Winston unpacks why many don't see God’s promises manifest: it’s not a problem with God but a problem with the receiver. The message blends biblical exposition, real-life ministry examples, and practical wisdom for Christians called to transform their communities. The episode includes a lively Q&A on topics like marketplace ministry, wealth transfer, faith in business, and practical church impact.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Nature of the Receiver (03:38–16:00)

• Main Thesis: All of God’s blessings are finished works, but we often don’t receive them fully.
• Quote: “The problem is purely with the receiver, because the work was finished from the foundation of the world.” (03:38)
• Scripture Focus: Luke 16—Lazarus and the rich man.
  • Insight: The beggar (Lazarus) settled for crumbs because of his mindset. “He wanted crumbs. You're supposed to want more than crumbs.” (07:38)
  • Principle: Accepting less due to spiritual ignorance.
  • Deeper Point: “There was a gate between him and riches. So he settled for crumbs.” (08:10) – The receiver’s limitation is often internal.

2. Spiritual Composition & Communication with God (06:40–29:35)

• Biblical Foundations: Adam’s creation—spirit, soul, body. God communicates spirit-to-spirit.
• “Adam functioned out of his spirit... God talks to your spirit.” (03:34)
• Teaching: Most education is focused on the intellect, but spiritual revelation is key, especially for believers.
• Quote: “The only reason I have a jacket with arms in it is because I have arms. You see what I’m talking about?” (23:03)
• Example: Buying and holding their church’s shopping mall, persisting in prayer and “praying in the spirit” to overcome zoning obstacles (27:36).
  • “Zonings don't change us. We change zonings.” (27:36)
• Takeaway: Spiritual authority and communion are the keys to move things in the natural.

3. Receiving the Holy Spirit—Empowerment for Victory (29:36–33:35)

• Acts 19 referenced: Believers who had faith, but not yet received the Holy Ghost.
• Insight: Dr. Winston emphasizes the necessity of speaking in tongues for New Testament believers.
  • “Some people believe in Paul, but they don’t believe in the Holy Ghost. Then you got to stop making up your own doctrine.” (32:21)
• Challenge: Many don’t receive more because of being taught against it or ignorance from leadership.
• Practical Application: Stay around after the service to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. “It’s simple.” (33:37)

4. The Fall: Spiritual to the Natural (Genesis 3) (34:31–41:30)

• Eve’s Temptation: Satan attacks with lies about identity and sufficiency—“They were already as gods.” (35:24)
  • “Satan always tries you to get you to go after something you already have.” (35:24)
• The Curse: Adam’s sin brings toil and sorrow, “Everything turned on Adam. Everything got dark.” (38:55)
• Redemption Plan: God’s rescue through Christ foreshadowed from the foundation.
• Mary’s Faith: Her readiness as a receiver—“Blessed is she that believed, for there shall be a performance.” (42:04)

5. Provision and Supernatural Wealth; The Story of Jesus’ Birth (44:46–54:27)

• Christmas Narrative—Wise Men:
  • Not simply three; a whole caravan bringing “about $400 million worth” of gold and other gifts (46:47).
  • Notable moment: “These camels were staggering because in today's numbers, the gold was worth about $400 million worth. Now, that's what my references told me.” (46:47)
• Prophetic Fulfillment and Angelic Protection:
  • Angels direct Joseph to protect Jesus and his family, demonstrating divine involvement in protection and assignment (50:35).
  • “I'm letting you know we have angels today. Right now. They're on the—And they're working for you. They're on assignment to help you finish your assignment.” (50:50)

6. The Justice of God and the Role of the Comforter (54:06–60:57)

• God as Just Judge: The “Comforter” (Holy Spirit) comes after Jesus’ departure to empower and defend believers.
  • “If they try to stop you from your assignment, God will come in and wipe them out.” (54:29)
• Vengeance vs. Revenge: God loves justice; His justice will prevail, especially for the afflicted and oppressed.
  • “Without justice, you can't make it... God is a God that loves justice.” (55:27)
• Ecclesiastes 4: Before the Comforter, the oppressed had “no one to fight for them.” Now, by the Holy Spirit, believers can wage spiritual warfare and bring justice.

7. Grace, Wisdom & Divine Promotion: Joseph’s Model (62:00–79:03)

• The Dream & Preparation: Joseph’s journey requires faith and resilience through betrayal, injustice, and imprisonment.
• Receiving in Faith: “Hold on to the blessing. Keep your faith.” (64:09)
• Grace Season: Joseph “found grace”—a supernatural ability beyond natural preparation. Real skills and wisdom can be downloaded from God.
  • “He imparted to Joseph skills he never possessed. And he's going to do the same to you if you stay in faith.” (74:02)
• Quote on Grace/Wisdom:
  • “Getting old doesn't guarantee good sense.” (73:09)
• Divine Placement: God moves His people to where their gifting and calling can flourish for maximum Kingdom impact.

8. Marketplace Ministry and Influence (81:03–86:18)

• Influence Testimony: Forest Park Mayor Rory Hoskins celebrates Living Word Christian Center for transforming the local economy and reputation.
  • Examples: Real estate value, ethical business (refusing to sell alcohol), philanthropy (food giveaways, employment), and influence on state policy.
  • “This partnership has put Forest Park on the map. Dr. Winston, thank you to the Winston family. Thank you to the church community.” (84:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "The work was finished from the foundation of the world. Everything He promised you is already done." – Bill Winston (03:38)
• “You are a spirit. The body's going to be buried, but your spirit will live on.” (03:34)
• “The problem is with the receiver. He wanted crumbs. You’re supposed to want more than crumbs.” (07:38)
• “Zonings don’t change us. We change zonings.” (27:36), illustrating spiritual authority over natural obstacles.
• “Some people believe in Paul, but they don’t believe in the Holy Ghost. Then you got to stop making up your own doctrine.” (32:21)
• “God is a God that loves justice... Many who have not known vengeance have been victims.” (55:27)
• “Whoever is at the top of the mountain controls the mountain... You want the influence.” (79:03)
• “Hold on to the blessing. Keep your faith.” (64:09)
• “He imparted to Joseph skills he never possessed. And he's going to do the same to you if you stay in faith.” (74:02)
• Forest Park Mayor: “Living Fresh just wants to offer good foods in a place where people can shop with dignity... This partnership has put Forest Park on the map.” (83:36–84:02)
• Q&A Business Advice: “One word. A good team.” (108:52)

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Q&A Segment Highlights (86:18–109:18)

Structuring Ministry for Marketplace Influence

• Separate LLC for Church Business:
  • The church uses for-profit and non-profit entities and remains a community asset, not a tax liability, blessing the community materially.
  • “A lot of people have switched kingdoms, but not switched systems. And you need to check that because that could be a trap.” (88:52–91:55)

End Time Wealth Transfer

• Purpose of Wealth Is Righteous Deeds:
  • The wealth transfer is for restoring desolation and helping the poor—infrastructure, jobs, healing families (Ezekiel 36:33–36).
  • “You fix it... I’m gonna give you the money. You fix it.” (94:20–94:29)
• Quote: “If you think it’s all for you, you don’t get it... Every problem that you see, you fix.” (94:32)

Investing & Entrepreneurship

• Stock Market:
  • Dr. Winston personally invests for long-term growth, emphasizing stewardship, caution, and divine guidance.
  • “You can also lose all your money... You got it?” (101:13–101:46)
  • Advises sowing seed for a greater return (“I can get a hundred fold.” 101:13), but acknowledges business realities.

Faith in Business/Kingdom Advertising

• God’s Way Requires Faith:
  • “A lot of times people try to use the way of God, but they don’t have enough faith... So just do pieces of it until you get your faith strong and you can see it, then do it.” (107:10–107:59)

Managing Ministry and Business

• Key Principle: “One word. A good team.” (108:52)
  • Delegation and surrounding oneself with trustworthy, capable people is vital for high-impact leaders.

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Major Takeaways

• God’s Work is Finished; the Issue Is Our Receiving: All that God has done for us spiritually and materially is already provided. Believers must develop faith to receive all He intended.
• Redemption Restores Authority and Provision: Scriptural accounts from Adam to Joseph reveal God’s path from loss (the Fall) to restoration (in Christ), with each step requiring personal faith.
• Spiritual Reception Unlocks Natural Transformation: From receiving the Holy Spirit to praying in tongues and learning to hear God, believers operate above natural limitations.
• Marketplace Ministry is Integral: True Kingdom impact transforms communities financially, ethically, and spiritually. Righteous wealth is for righteous acts.
• Justice, Not Just Mercy: The age demands not only that we love but that we enforce God’s justice, calling in what’s owed, protecting the oppressed, and confronting spiritual opposition with authority.
• Faith, Teamwork, and Community Integration: Success in ministry and business comes through faith, strategic collaboration, and a commitment to bless the whole community.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Description | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|--------------------| | Beginning Prayer, Theme Introduction | 00:09–03:38 | | Lazarus & the Rich Man, Receiving Crumbs | 06:40–08:10 | | Authority & Order, Ecclesiastes 10 | 14:44–15:43 | | Manifestation of Sons, Psalms 8, Power of Praise | 17:34–20:01 | | Hell, Spirit & Body, Eternal Existence | 20:44–23:03 | | Adam’s Fall and Nature of Curse | 34:31–38:55 | | Mary’s Role, The Receiver’s Faith | 41:27–42:55 | | Gifts to Jesus, Angelic Assignment | 46:47–54:27 | | Vengeance, Comforter, Divine Justice | 54:06–55:27 | | Joseph’s Dream, Grace, Divine Promotion | 62:52–74:02 | | Marketplace Testimony (Mayor of Forest Park) | 81:03–84:37 | | Q&A — Church Business, Wealth Transfer, Investing | 86:18–104:38 | | Q&A — Advertising by God’s Way, Faith for Breakthrough | 104:41–107:59 | | Q&A — Managing Business and Ministry | 108:13–108:52 |

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Final Reflections

Dr. Winston closes by tying Joseph’s story to believers today: wherever God has planted you—whether in Hollywood, business, politics, or another “mountain”—He has equipped you to rise to the top for the sake of His Kingdom. Influence is given not for personal comfort but to fulfill God’s assignment and lead many to Christ through love, justice, and power.

“God has planted you in that place for a purpose. That’s your assignment. That’s make it work.” (85:03)

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Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message.

[B]

Let's hold our hands up and just give God the glory. Father, we thank you for this church, for the leadership that you've placed here. We thank you and we honor you for it. Lord, let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight. Oh, Lord, my strength and my redeemer. Lord, we thank you. Help me to share with them what you've shared with me now. Lord, let the word come forth unhindered, unchecked by any outside force that signs, wonders and miracles follow the word preached in Jesus name. Can you say amen? Let's take our seats, please. Well, how y' all doing today? Blessed and highly favored. Say blessed and highly favored.

[C]

Highly favored.

[B]

That's Mary. Mary was blessed and highly favored. You know, I'm glad to see y' all this morning because you never know what you're going to get the next morning after. You never know. So. All right, we want to get right into it. We want to save some time for questions and answers. I trust that God will give me the wisdom to answer it in Jesus name. All right, we gonna look at this this morning. Yesterday we named it. What do we name it? A problem is with the receiver. Now, that doesn't go for this church. But the problem is purely with the receiver, because the work was finished. From what? The foundation of the world, it was finished. We've got a song that sings. The works are finished. Everything he promised you is already done. Amen. I'm going to say y' all got some kind of praise and worship in this house. Amen. It brings something out in you, I'm telling you. And, you know, I didn't know the pastor could sing like she sang. That's it. Go, girl.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm telling you, I make note of these.

[E]

Sing.

[A]

See, but you can sing, Doctor?

[B]

Oh, no, no. I'll make note of these things. All right. Okay. We're going to start off with the spiritual part of things. Katria's here. She's going to help me navigate my way through it. We just got up this morning and kind of typed it out. Adam's start. The start. And Adam's start was purely spiritual. This God made this man. He molded his body and he breathed into him the breath of life, and man became a living. What then became a living soul. Wow. So he had a spirit, a soul and a body. Three parts. Spirit, soul and body. That whole Thing about I'm a soul man, that's not. Don't breathe that. Don't breathe that. And no educational institution preaches spirit. It's got to have a little bit of a Bible school with it or something like that. But they preach on and feed on the intellect and telling you what that's all about, and then you really get and develop your intellect. But we're going further than that because we've been redeemed. We've been redeemed. So Adam functioned out of his spirit, and through that, functioning out of his spirit. God talks to your spirit. He talks to you, and you are a spirit. The body's going to be buried, you know, if Jesus tarries. But your spirit will live on. It's a scripture talking about that. This, this. It was a poor beggar. He was outside the gate. Anybody know where that scripture is? He was outside the gate. All right, Luke, chapter 16. Sixteen. All right, Luke, chapter 16. That's our adverse. Oh, let's see. Let me get somebody over here. Right back, back there. Come on, Come on. That's right. Come on. Just get on up. Come on down. All right.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Okay. He get in microphone here. Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Amen. Okay. Chapter 16 and verse 19. All right, let's start there. I think I put it on the board here so you can see it.

[E]

There was a certain rich man which was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

[B]

That means he drank martinis every day. Every day. Okay, go ahead.

[E]

And there was a certain beggar, name named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate full of sores.

[B]

He was placed at his gate every day full of sores and kind of a bad situation. And, you know, you got to. Got to understand and put yourself in that picture. Just see the picture of that. Keep going.

[E]

And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.

[B]

Now, this. This beggar wanted crumbs. The problem is with the receiver. He wanted crumbs. I'm just putting this here. Don't let me forget. But he wanted crumbs. You're supposed to want more than crumbs.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

And that was a gate between him and riches. So he settled for crumbs. All right, go ahead.

[E]

Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores.

[B]

Dogs came and licked his sores. Now, that's kind of an interesting piece because you're sending me there with tours. And dogs came and licked them. Now, a dog's saliva, they tell me, is for healing. That's why, when dogs hurt themselves, you'll see them lick their sores. That's not a bad thing. That's healing. So these dogs came and licked his sores. Now, the Jews used to call the Gentiles dogs. Now I'm going too, away with this. So I'm looking at this and saying, wait a minute. The dogs came, they licked his swords. So this man obviously had some problems and some hurts. Could have been deep hurts. Could have been from growing up in life, deep hurts. And dogs came and licked his sores. Not one dog. Other dogs.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

And, you know, so he attracted dogs. He was attracted to something that was, he thought, was supposed to heal him, but it gave him more what he had experienced in the first place. See, when people bad marriage, you know, so forth, and they get divorced and don't get fixed, they tend to go to the same kind of person the next time. Come on, now. It's not going to heal them. It'll just lick the sores. You got to come to Christ for a healing balm. So he licked his swords. All right, keep going. Next. Thank you.

[E]

And it came to pass that the beggar died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom.

[B]

Okay, the beggar died. Now, the rich man still drinking martinis, mint juleps and so forth. All right, Some of y' all know y' all these. Okay. All right. And. But the rich man died. The beggar died. The beggar was carried into Abraham's bosom. That represents the upper region of Sheol. That represent not the hell. He was up in that area waiting on the Messiah to lead captivity. What captivity? Own up to glory. So

[E]

the rich man also died.

[B]

Oh, now he died. But where was he carried?

[E]

And he was buried. And in hell, he lift up his eyes.

[B]

Oh, Lord. No, wait, wait, wait. Let me stop right there. Selah, Selah. That Jesus is preaching on hell. Some people say he didn't preach on hell. Yes, he did. Amen. Yes, he did. He warned him so. And this rich man died. And in hell, he lifted up his What? Now, wait a minute. Now it says the rich man died, was buried, and in hell he lifted up his eyes. Well, aren't his eyes in his body? Aren't they? And his body is six feet under. But in hell, he lifted up his eyes. Keep going.

[E]

Being in torments. And being in torments.

[B]

Okay, all right.

[E]

And seeth Abraham afar off.

[B]

And he saw Abraham, so he had the ability to recognize folk. See?

[D]

Yes.

[F]

Come on.

[B]

Somebody said, are we going to know each other when we get to heaven. Well, do you know each other now? So this man recognized somebody. He went to hell and could see up in Sheol and recognized who. Abraham. Keep going.

[E]

And Lazarus in his bosom.

[B]

And Lazarus, that's the poor man in his bosom. So Lazarus went to Sheol, but Abraham, the rich man, went to hell. Now, this is interesting, because Lazarus was the one that's poor. The rich man who was unsaved was rich. Something's wrong with that picture. The problem is with the receiver.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Amen. If you look, we're going to kind of change, but we're coming back, so we remember what we are. If you look at Ecclesiastes, chapter 10 and verse 5 through 7 in the New Living Translation, please. New Living Translation Watch this.

[E]

There is another evil I have seen under the sun.

[B]

Now, God calls this evil. Keep going.

[E]

Kings and rulers make a grave mistake when they. When they give great authority to foolish people. And low positions to people of proven worth. I have even seen servants riding horseback like princes. And princes walking like servants.

[B]

I've seen an order. That is evil.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

I've seen people who should be rich and on the horse acting like servants on the ground. And the rich man who should be the servant, he's on the horse. Then something's wrong with that. I call it evil. So God calls that evil. The problem is with the receiver. Just remember that you're not going to be in that number. You're going to receive redemption, all of it. Now, I'm just. I just wanted to show you that. Because when the wicked are in authority, the people will mourn. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice. That's what we got to get. And that's why you're here. You're not here just to spend your life here and achieve some things, but you're here to set things in order. A son has the ability to control spiritual forces. And whoever controls spiritual forces also controls political positions, conditions. Yeah. Yeah. You can. You have a say of what goes on in California?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

The people might want so and so, but you want so and so. You can pray as a son.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

That means mature offspring and get what you want. Look what it says In Romans, chapter 8 and verse 19. Romans, chapter 8 and verse 19. Then we're going back to this man. Romans 8. 19.

[E]

For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal.

[B]

Turn back. King James. If you will remind me to leave the people in there. Some money.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Just a minute. Just A minute. Here's some kudos that they're doing a good job.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Whoever's handling the. You know. Well, everybody's doing a job. I. I ought to all work. That's all. Right.

[E]

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

[B]

All this waiting for you sons. Waiting for sons. Waiting for the babies to grow up. Now the babies have some power. Look at Psalms chapter 8 and verse 2. And look at that in the new living translation. Let's just look at it and try that. Just the babies have some power now. Now watch this. Okay.

[E]

You have taught children and infants to tell of your strength, silencing your enemies and all who oppose you more.

[B]

Let's look at it in the. Niv. Same scripture, Niv. All right. You got it, Niv. Niv. They don't have it.

[E]

Oh.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Y' all miss a lot of money. Put it up there. Put it up there in the. Okay, he's got it. Okay, Niv.

[E]

Through the praise of children and infants, you have established a stronghold against your enemies to silence the foe.

[B]

You can. You can stop the devil as an infant with your praise. Isn't that powerful? You can't lose. So anyway, let's go back to this man. Hell. And the other one in Abraham's bosom. Okay, let's go back. That. What. What verse? What verse 23. 23. Verse 23. That's Luke, chapter 16. Okay.

[E]

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments.

[B]

Oh, boy. Wait, wait. Now, he could feel. He could feel. Had some feelings. Whoa. I thought maybe I didn't have any feelings. And when I leave here. No, no, you can feel. You can smell, too. Smell like flesh to me. Keep going.

[E]

And seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, father Abraham,

[B]

Father Abraham, Keep going.

[E]

Have mercy on me. And send Lazarus. Send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger.

[B]

Wait a minute. I not only have a hand, but I have a finger. And I have a tip. So I can dip the tip of his finger and what? And what?

[E]

In water.

[B]

And in water.

[E]

And cool my tongue.

[B]

And cool my. Cool my tongue. I'm letting you see this. They got all your faculties working. And your body is in. The person's body is in the grave. That body is six feet under with a tongue in it, eyes in it, so forth. So. So it tells me that I must have eyes because I have eyes in my spirit. I must have a tongue because I have a tongue in my spirit. So the Only reason I got this in my body is I have this in my spirit. Satisfy my mom's life.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

There's somebody here this morning.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Yes, sir. That's something. But there is a hell, as Brother Hagin says to Sean. There's a hell to Sean in heaven. You want. That's the way you want to go. Isn't that wonderful?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

And the Bible says that Satan is going to, at the end, be thrown in the lake of what fire. Ah, not Lake Michigan, where I come from, but the lake of fire. And whoever didn't accept Jesus is going with him. So I don't mean to come with a sad story, because it is a good story if you know Jesus. So you know what I'd do if I wasn't saved? You know when I'd get saved? I'd get saved today. I wouldn't lose another minute. I'm talking to somebody in here, all right? So I'm just letting you know the spirit part of us has everything. The only reason I have a jacket with arms in it is because I have arms. You see what I'm talking about? All right? So that's that. So Adam was made by God. He blew into his house with breath of life. Adam became a living soul. Now, Adam communicated directly with the Father, all right? And so you can see that in Genesis, chapter two and verse nine, all right? And I indicated that last night this way. What would do. Yeah, last night. All right. Look at that. 2:19.

[E]

And out of the ground God. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life also in the midst of the garden. And the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[B]

Now, wait a minute. Is for 2:19. I asked for 2:19, remember? I didn't. I was speaking in tongue when I said that. 2:19.

[E]

And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every foul of the air and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them. And whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

[B]

Now, Adam named the creatures. Why? Because Adam had the authority. He was the last thing God produced after he created the trees and all the stuff. Finally he came to let us make man. That's generic sense, being man and woman and so forth. Now, this creation of God giving man control and authority over everything, he named him just what the Father had named him way back when. Way back when.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Yes, sir. Before they were ever heard of in the Earth. The Father had name, so that name was given to Adam, spirit to spirit. The only thing you want to do is hear God and follow him. Of course I want to hear God. After we bought the shopping mall. Put shop mall up there. After we. No, put the place up there where we first started. I like to do that. I like. Put Lincoln Pulaski up there. All right, that's Lincoln Pulaski. And then we moved to the second place that we moved. Madison street, that is. And then we moved to the next place that we moved through. Now, we had no sign. We advertised God's Way.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Had no sign. Packed out. Several services packed out. Now, put them all up there, please. Now, we bought them all. Now, that was a miracle. Then they made an ordinance real quick that we couldn't have services in that mall. Do you call it zoning? Do they have that here? Well, you know, we change zoning. Yes, sir. Zonings don't change us. We change zonings. Amen. So I didn't know what to do. I said, God, what do I do now? We can't go in there, have service. We're supposed to have service tomorrow night. God said, go to bed early, wake up early and pray in the spirit. Pray in the what? Pray in the spirit. Who was I going to communicate with when I prayed in the spirit? Spirit. The spirit. See, the enemy try to block something that comes in the natural, but he can't block what comes in the spirit. He's called a blessing blocker. Come on, somebody. Even Leroy says that he'll try to block it. You wonder why your harvest didn't come? Check the blocker. We're going to show you, though. Vengeance and recompense will cause you to receive.

[D]

Yes, sir. Amen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I prayed in the spirit. Prayed in the spirit. People, wait a minute. That's passed away. Oh, it has. Look at Acts, chapter 19. Do you believe. See that? That baby trying to speak in tongues back there.

[D]

Y'.

[B]

All. All right. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Oh, yeah, go ahead. 19, verse 1.

[E]

Verse 1, Acts 19, verse 1. And it came to pass that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul, having passed through the upper coast, came to Ephesus and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe? He acknowledged that they believe. Right? Right.

[D]

Come on.

[B]

But have you.

[G]

Come on.

[B]

Have you received the Holy Ghost? All right, keep it.

[E]

And they said unto him, we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, unto what? Then were you baptized?

[B]

Then were you baptized? Okay, next.

[E]

And they said. And they said unto him, oh, go back. And they said unto John's baptism.

[B]

John's baptism. Keep going.

[E]

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

[B]

Keep going.

[E]

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them. And they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

[B]

You need it, because some of the stuff Satan's going to block. But I can prevent that. I can prevent that. So you arm yourself. This is another step of grace. The problem is with the receiver. Have you received? The Holy Ghost said, jubilee. Isn't that wonderful?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

He's giving you all the secrets God is. So they get the Holy Ghost. Paul said, I speak in tongues more than you all. See, some people believe in Paul, but they don't believe in the Holy Ghost. Then you got to stop making up your own doctrine. I'm talking to somebody. Because you may be coming from a church that didn't believe in that. Well, now you know that that is a part of your redemption. And if you're going to go anywhere with God, it's advisable that you. You speak in tongues. Now, I'm saying that because you can't write your own rules. And remember, one reason they didn't get into Canaan, that first bunch, is because of leadership. The leadership was preaching a doctrine that was against God.

[H]

That's right.

[B]

And many times the leadership was taught that. But I'm showing you in the Scriptures that it's okay to speak in other tongues. Say, well, I'm not baptized. Now, stay around after the service today. We'll get you baptized in the Holy Ghost. It's simple. How we doing? All right. Now, where am I? Okay, so here's Eve now. And Eve was tempted by the devil. I'm going to go to Genesis, chapter three, verse four. Genesis three and four.

[E]

All right. And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall not surely die.

[B]

Now, why. Why didn't the serpent speak to the man? Well, that's what I want to know. He said to the woman, I'm just going to let that marinate a little. All right? All right, Nick, keep going.

[E]

For God doth know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened.

[B]

Well, I thought her eyes were already open. No, he's talking about what kind of eyes. He is saying now, when you eat that God will see something. You'll see something you didn't see. Keep going.

[E]

And ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

[B]

Now, see, he's tempting us because they were already what? As gods. Come on. Come on, already. As gods. You know that from Psalm chapter 82, verse 6. They were already God. So Satan always tries you to get you to go after something you already have. How am I doing so far?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Amen. That's what he does. That baby coming on. There you go. He baptized back there. All right, now, what's the next verse? You can leave them in here. Don't move them. We need that.

[E]

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes and a tree to be desired, to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat. And gave also unto her husband with her. And he did eat.

[B]

Wait a minute. He was what with her? With her. He went down to 7 11. He was with her? Yeah. And he did eat. And he knew God said, don't eat. But he ate. Keep going.

[E]

And the eyes of them both were opened. And they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together.

[B]

They didn't see that they were naked until their eyes were opened. Now, what happened through that sin? They went from the spiritual to the what? Natural. And now they were imprisoned by the natural. And couldn't get out. They had fallen and couldn't get up. They couldn't get up. I fallen and I can't get up. Can't get up. They need help. But God prepared something. From the foundation of the world. He prepared a sacrifice. Boy, I'm telling you, this is a powerful story here. It really is. So now read. Start reading at 3. Genesis 3, verse 17 in the. AMPC Please.

[E]

And to Adam he said, because you have listened and given heed to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying you shall not eat of it. The ground is under a curse because of you. In sorrow and toil shall you eat of the fruits.

[B]

Say toil. Say sorrow.

[E]

Sorrow.

[B]

Now, because Adam ate, a curse came. It came underground. It came on everything. The lion no longer laid down with the lamb. You eat him up. Everything turned on Adam. Everything got dark. If you looking in the spirit, everything changed. Adam was trying to figure out how to feed himself. He was helpless. He wondered what just happened. I mean, he had no idea that things gonna happen that bad. Whoa. I'm helpless. What did I do? I'm trying to wonder what to do, how to feed myself. He even took some fig leaves and made clothes out of fig leaves. Now, you know, anybody that come in here with a fig leaf suit, you won't wonder, you know, why is this person in here? His elevator don't go all the way to the top, so. But God took that off of him.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And he put on some animal skin. He custom made some stuff for them. But they were driven out of the garden. Probably in a Rolls Royce. But they were driven out of the garden. They couldn't get back in. What do they do now? They're trying to make it. But God had a plan. Satan didn't know God had a plan. And he planned to redeem them.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

But he had to pay the price now. So he turned to his son, who will go for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

His son went to earth, came here as a seed to a woman who had faith to receive, named Mary.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

And she had the kind of faith that we see it over in Luke chapter one. And look at verse 44. And we'll read on down through 48. All right? Look at that.

[E]

For lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutations sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed. For there shall be a performance of those things which were told her.

[B]

Watch what he says. Blessed is she that what believe. For there shall be a what. So if you believe, there shall be a performance. Isn't that wonderful?

[D]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[B]

Keep going, please.

[E]

The performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, my soul doth magnify the Lord.

[B]

Now, this is. This is Mary. She is prophesying over her life. She's got the revelation, she believes. Keep going.

[E]

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God, my Savior.

[B]

Keep going.

[E]

For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For, behold, from henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed.

[B]

All generations. Boy, she is looking way out there. All generations from this day shall call me blessed. Boy, this story is powerful. It really is. If you get this story, I think it'll give you a foundation for getting revelation from God's word that because it's got everything in it. Everything in it. Now, there's a lot I skipped over and so forth, but it really does. All right, where are we? Now, we had Mary. Right? Now, Mary was carrying this baby. But Satan was out to wipe this baby out. Because now he knows. Wait a Minute this woman is about to bring the Son of God into this earth. Knew that. Now, there's a scripture that talk about Herod and how he was out to destroy this child. All right, and that's found in Luke. I think it's Luke. No, no, no. Matthew, chapter two, verse one. I think that's it. Let's try that. Now, I'm. I'm getting some other stuff, but I just want you to see this, because you don't have a foundation. Sometimes it's hard to understand all of it.

[E]

Now, when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem saying, now

[B]

these are wise men. Someone did a study on who were the wise men. And they're from the Quamram community, which was a community of prophets during the silent years between the Old Testament and the New. Now, you have to read that yourself. You get the background. So they were still prophesying in that community, but it was a whole community of prophets and so forth. Now, they saw a star in the east, and it told them that there was a child. There was some from heaven is going to be born. Now, they got on their camels and started on their way. All right? Now this that was going to be born was going to be a king, and he was going to be a king from God, the Messiah, and he was going to be in Europe. So they saw the star and they started following the star. Now, this wasn't three wise men, as those Christmas cards told you, but there was a train of magi, and they were coming with gold, frankincense and what?

[G]

Myrrh.

[B]

Myrrh. All right, now this wasn't a little box of gold about this size. These camels were staggering because in today's numbers, the gold was worth about $400 million worth. Now, that's what my references told me. You can't argue with me because I got it out of my reference. All right? So they showed up at Jesus house. Now, that's verse number. Oh, verse number. Oh, I'd say 13. Start there. That's Luke, chapter two. Yeah. Verse 11. 11, huh?

[E]

2, 13. 2, 11. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you. You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes.

[B]

Now, swaddling doesn't mean raggedy. Okay, keep going.

[E]

Lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, good will toward men.

[B]

I'll keep going.

[E]

And it came to pass as the angels were gone away from them into heaven. The shepherds said, one to another, let us now go even unto Bethlehem and see this thing which has come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger. And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

[B]

Now, wait a minute. That's. That's chapter two, Matthew two.

[D]

They have.

[B]

It's Matthew. To be Matthew. I'm sorry. Chapter two and verse 11. That was Luke. Okay, are y'. All. You're gonna bear with me. I'm trying to show you something. Keep going.

[E]

And when they were coming to the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother.

[B]

Now wait a minute. When they will come to where?

[E]

The house.

[B]

The house. The house is where baby Jesus was. And they called him a young child. So this visitation was after he had been born. Keep going.

[E]

They saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and fell down and worshiped him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him treasures.

[B]

When they had opened. Yeah. What treasures? Now, this wasn't a little box. Come on. Now. When they opened their. What? Treasures. Okay, all right. Keep going.

[E]

They presented unto him gifts. Gold and frankincense and myrrh.

[B]

Okay, killer.

[E]

And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

[B]

Now, don't return the same way you came, cuz Herod's looking for you. Keep going.

[E]

And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt. And be thou there until I bring thee word.

[B]

I'm letting you know we have angels today. And they're Right now. They're on the. And they're working for you. They're on assignment to help you finish your assignment. Keep going.

[E]

For Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. And when he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night and departed into Egypt. And was there until the death of Herod that it might be fulfilled, which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, out of Egypt have I called my son.

[B]

Now keep going.

[E]

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the Wise men was exceeding wrath and sent forth and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem.

[B]

While he slew all the children, Jewish children that were in Bethlehem, the male children keep going.

[E]

And in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under.

[B]

Well, for three years. From three years old and under, because he knew the child would be about that age, somewhere in that category. Keep going.

[E]

According to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

[B]

Keep going.

[E]

Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, in Ramah, there was a voice heard lamentation and weeping and great mourning. Rachel weeping for her children and would not be comforted because they are not.

[B]

Now. He killed all those babies. You can imagine how their mothers felt. Keep going.

[E]

But when Herod was dead.

[D]

Behold.

[B]

What?

[E]

Herod was dead.

[B]

When Herod was dead. Now watch the next. Next writing. You got to follow this. Keep going.

[E]

Behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph, Egypt, saying, arise and take the young child.

[B]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hay, call him a young child up there at the house.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Now, the angel appeared and said, take the young child and what?

[E]

And his mother.

[B]

And his mother.

[E]

And go into the land of Israel.

[B]

And go into Israel. Now take the young child who was the young child at the house, who was a young child now down here in Egypt, hidden. And take this young child and go

[E]

into the land of Israel. For they are dead which sought the young child.

[B]

They are dead. Everybody who tried to kill him. Everybody who wiped out those children is dead, none alive. Just like when Pharaoh went after the children of Israel when they left Egypt. Everybody. And when God wipes them out, he wipes out everybody. Now you see why he said over in John, chapter 14 and verse 16. Yes, 14 and verse 16. Look at that.

[E]

And I will pray the Father and he shall give you another comforter.

[B]

Women, he shall give you another what? Comforter. You're going to need a comforter to fulfill your assignment. And that comforter is not going to stand for no mess.

[D]

No, sir.

[B]

If they try to stop you from your assignment, God will come in and wipe them out. Well, first you will warn them. If they don't let you go, he will have to take them off the earth. Now, a lot of people don't want to hear this, because that's not talking about love. The loving God that loves you, yes, he does love you. But he's also a God of justice. And that's what you're about to see in this time. Because the enemy has made a Job a mockery of cutting God's people off and making a laughing sound. He has killed some of these preachers, and they shouldn't have died. Now he's going to start justice.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

He's going to fulfill what he's also called to do. He's called to bring justice to his people. People didn't know that much before about the justice, but they're knowing it now. And I've been over in Africa, and Oedipu, a good friend of mine, he said, without justice, you can't make it. You go without this vengeance that the Lord has. He doesn't mean revenge. He means vengeance. He doesn't mean that God's going to do something to get revenge and so forth. No, he's not that kind of God. God is a God that loves justice. Say amen to that. And he doesn't like what's been happening. And the people now are calling for justice. Many who have not known vengeance have been victims. Now, y' all don't mind if I. Can I. Can I come in if I'm. I got to say what I got to say. Yes, you are.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Amen.

[D]

Amen.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

Now, this is our time, folks. We are not going to take any more mess. I said we are not going to stand for any more mess. We have to finish the job God called us to do. Come on, Say amen, man. Say Jesus is Lord. Amen. Amen. Now, this didn't start till Jesus left. And that's why I had you read John 14:16. I'm going to ask you to read it one more time again. Come on, it's scriptural. Keep going.

[E]

And I will pray the Father and he shall give you another comforter.

[B]

He shall give you a what?

[D]

Comforter.

[B]

Another comforter. That is, Jesus was the first comforter. And then the Holy Ghost is another comforter. Look at each other. Ecclesiastes, Chapter four, verse one through three. And I'm gonna get off of this and finish up where I was going. All right, look.

[E]

So I returned and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun. And behold the tears of such as were oppressed. And they had no comforter.

[B]

They had no comforter. They had no comforter. They were oppressed and had no comforter. They had nobody to fight for. They had none. And God saw that they had no comforter. He's got to get a comforter in here first. He's got his son. And he was a comforter because going over in the boat from one side to the other, a storm came. And that storm was supposed to wipe them out. But they had the comforter on the boat. Come on. They would have been going on to be with the Lord if they hadn't had that comfort. Say Amen to that. We have a comforter. Now, it's not Jesus, because he's gone back, but he said, I'm going to send you, what, another one? A comforter. And this comforter is there to comfort you? Yes, sir. Do not mean he is a God of justice and say Amen to that. So that's all I got for that section. All right. Now let me just give you a little bit more. Can you. Can you take it?

[E]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Amen. Amen.

[B]

Do you receive what I'm talking about? I'm not giving you something because. God is a God of justice. He said, I kill. Watch this. And I make alive. That's what he says. What God says I kill. That'll make a lot of he's saying now. See, people don't like this kind of preaching.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

I want Satan to pay for my limp. Come on. I don't know about you. Somebody's got to pay. What's that? Scripture. It's found in Second Kings, chapter two and verse six, I think it is. Second. Second Samuel, First Samuel, Chapter two, verse six. Second Samuel, Chapter two, verse six. I just want to show you this. One of one of one of the two. First Samuel, chapter two, and verse six. Put it up. Got it.

[E]

The Lord kill us and make us alive.

[B]

Come on, just a little. This is a God of love. But God has got his people in the last days. The rains are coming. A lot of people still need to be saved. Come on. The former and the latter. All right, switch right quick. I'm going to just give you a little bit of this and we'll do Q and A's. Joseph, Genesis, chapter 37 and verse 5. All right, read.

[E]

And Joseph dreamed a dream. And he told it his brethren, and they hated him the more.

[B]

Okay, he dreamed a dream, told it to his brothers. They hated him. Next verse. What did he say?

[E]

And he said unto them, hear, I pray you this dream which I have dreamed. For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field. And lo, my sheaf arose and also stood upright. And behold, your sheaves stood round about and made obeisance to my sheep.

[B]

Listen, that means bow down. So he's saying, y'.

[F]

All.

[B]

Excuse me. Y' all are going to bow down to me. Verse 9, please.

[E]

Verse 9. And he dreamed yet another dream.

[B]

He dreamed it again two times from the Lord. Keep going.

[E]

And told it his brethren and said, behold, I have dreamed a dream more. And behold, the sun and the moon and the 11 stars made obesity to me.

[B]

All of them, they bowed down to me. Joseph was saying, I'm the man. Yeah, yeah, you see now, keep going.

[E]

And he told it to his father and to his brethren, and his father rebuked him and said unto him, what is this dream that thou has dreamed?

[B]

What is this dream that you've dreamed? Not bad. So his father did not receive the prophetic anointing that was on Joseph's life, see? So God had to move him. I'll move this boy because I say they won't receive him. See Bill Winston limping. So they won't receive him. Just trying to check and see. No, no, they wouldn't receive Joseph. So God knew he had to move him. And he had to move him somewhere that was conducive for the anointing to bring forth the most powerful economy that's ever been in the earth. I'm going to say that one more time. He had to move you because some people around you didn't accept that. And he had to move you to an environment that was going to was conducive for producing an economy. And so he started to move him. Now this is where you set your KMS Kingdom management system. That dream and God's plan was already set, and it came with the seed of the dream. And in the seed was directions. Every place Joseph would end up that would develop him to be ready for his mountaintop experience that he was going to have at the end. See, God knows where you're going, and he's already worked out the gps. And now what you've got to do is let go and let God. He's about to take you somewhere. So what happened? First, his brother brothers kind of sold him as a slave. And his father saw his brother's coat and they had put animal blood on it to deceive the father. And his father let go of the blessing. Oh, my son is dead. Oh, what am I going to do now, my son? And he said, I'm let all of it go. I'll go down to my grave mourning. He had lost all his faith. And faith holds the blessing and keeps it working for you. Y' all with me. Hold on to the blessing. Keep your faith. So they took him to a man and sold him to a man named Potiphar. And Potiphar put him to work. Now, when Potiphar Put him to work. This is where grace comes in. That's in Genesis 39. Go ahead, put it up there. And we'll look at that. How many of y' all wanted his? This is the last part. All right, go.

[E]

Genesis 39, verse 1. And Joseph was brought down to Egypt.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him off of the hands of the Ishmaelites, which had brought him down thither.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And the Lord was with Joseph. And he was a prosperous man. And he was in the house of his master, the Egyptian. And his master saw that the Lord was with him.

[F]

Him.

[E]

And that the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand.

[B]

My goodness. Now wait a minute. This Potiphar was getting rich. And he was getting rich. Cause there's a blessing on Joseph. I'm telling you, that blessing should be making you rich. Yes, sir. All right, next verse.

[E]

And his master. And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him.

[B]

Joseph found what?

[E]

Grace.

[B]

All right, right here. Let's stop. God says my grace is sufficient. He says we are saved. By what? Grace through faith. All right. Now, a lot of bad, you know, stuff has been saying about grace, but hold on to it, because we're in a season of grace. Now, that's where Joseph didn't have to go to ranch management school and just know how to ranch management, how to manage ranches. He just knew. It's kind of like the Matrix movie, the first one that came out. He asked the lady, he said, now, can you fly helicopters? She said, well, not right now, but give me a minute. That's right. And that's what I was talking about in John, chapter seven and verse 14. And that's what I was talking about with Jesus. Because he was going to fully display to you all these things that you've got that are giving you an advantage. Read that. John, chapter 4, chapter 7, and verse 14. I thought I said that is.

[E]

Now, about the midst of the feast, Jesus went up into the temple and taught. And the Jews marveled, saying, how knoweth this man letters having never learned.

[B]

Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I don't see how this woman knows this. Because she's never been to Harvard. Come on. Yeah, she's never been to ucla. Come on. There's no way she's supposed to know this, but you're going to know it. Yes, sir. Amen. Look at job 32. 6. In the message translation. In the message translation. Watch this. Now, I'm Telling you the rains are coming, that's the impossible is becoming possible.

[E]

Babe, this is what Elihu, son of Barakel the Buzzite, said. I'm a young man and you are all old and experienced. That's why I kept quiet and held back from joining the discussion. I kept thinking, experience will tell the longer you live, the wiser you become. But I see I was wrong. It's God's spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, one, that makes wise human insight possible. The experts have no corner on wisdom. Getting old doesn't guarantee good sense.

[B]

No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Read that again. Read that. Read that again. Come on, come on. Don't read it again. Go ahead, go on, read it again.

[E]

Getting old doesn't guarantee good sense. So I've decided to speak up.

[B]

Don't say it like that. That man. This is your advantage. He's telling you what he's got in you. He's talking about there's a grace coming on you. Whatever you do, he's looking for you to do it to the. To moving up to the top of that mountain. Now, read it one more time in your best voice.

[E]

Getting old doesn't guarantee good sense. So I've decided to speak up. Listen, listen. Well, I'm going to tell you exactly what I think.

[B]

All right? That's what I'm talking about. Listen. Well, getting old, traditionally, you thought that. Yeah, you get old, get the experience so forth. You can do it much better. No, no, not anymore. I hear the sound of the abundance of rain. Boom. That's in my heart. Okay, so Joseph, he got it just by the anointing of God. And he imparted to Joseph skills he never possessed. And he's going to do the same to you if you stay in faith. Just say that. That's all you got to do. All right, I got my bill. It went off it. Time to quit. All right, so here's. Here's the deal. So Joseph, Mrs. Potiphar likes him. I don't think she liked him. I think the devil wanted to kill him. And he's looking for Mrs. Potiphar to help. But Joseph was an attractive man, and I tell you, it's. He looked kind of like me. He was kind of. Don't hate, don't hate, don't hate. All right. I figured. Y' all laugh. Well, what happened then? She, of course, accused him and so forth that he got put in jail. But God was with him because he stayed in faith. And that's the only way you can follow the plan of God is to stay in faith. So here was Joseph. Joseph now is in jail, in prison. But the king has a problem. You can read it yourself. And he called on Joseph to solve that and give him the answer. And that's found in Genesis, chapter. Genesis, chapter 41, verse 38 through 41. Let's go. Genesis, chapter 41. 38 through 41. Okay.

[E]

And Pharaoh said unto his servants, can we find such a one? As this is a man in whom the spirit of God is. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, for as much as God has showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art.

[B]

Keep reading.

[E]

Thou shalt be over my house. And according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled.

[B]

Now, say right then. If Joseph had that kind of disposition, he could have said, send that woman, Potiphar. Send her up here. Cause that half a total lie on me. And I. Don't worry. I'm just talking about what Joseph would have said, though. All right. Okay. Keep going.

[E]

Always gonna keep being only in the throne will I be greater than thou. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, see, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.

[B]

All of it. All of it. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

[E]

And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand and put it upon Joseph's hand.

[B]

Wow.

[E]

And arrayed him in vestures of fine linen. And put a gold chain about his neck.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had. And they cried before him, bow the

[B]

knee in the name of Jesus. Every knee shall bow. Isn't that something? Keep reading.

[E]

And he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt. And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

[B]

Now Joseph's getting influence. He's getting influence. In other words, he's moving to mountain sovereignty. Mountain sovereignty. That's what you're after. Whoever is at the top of the mountain controls the mountain.

[F]

That's right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It doesn't make any difference to you. So you want the influence. It's the best way to lead people. It's the best way to lead your children. Influence. See, you don't have to whip them every day. They just. They just like the way you do this or like the way you are. And they're influenced by that. The best way to lead people is influence. I was in the military summer camp. The guy said, all right, I want you to climb this rope. Said, rope, okay, what we holding on to? He said, the rope. He said, I'll do it first. He took one rope in this hand, one rope in that hand, and went up the rope. I said, oh, Lord have mercy. But he was showing us he's qualified to lead. Don't try to fake leadership. You do what I say, not what I do, you know, so Joseph rose up to the top of the mountain and I want to finish with a little video. And I want you to see it. And in that video, check it out. See the influence that you should have. All right, this here. All right. Forest Park Mayor.

[D]

Mayor.

[B]

Mayor. The mayor of Forest Park. And the video. Okay, if you have it, sir.

[H]

My name is Rory Hoskins and I have the privilege of serving as the mayor in this community of Forest Park. I don't live far from here at all. I've lived in forest park since 1999. About 25 years ago, this Forest park plaza was basically a struck as a hunk of concrete and asphalt. But over the years, the investment that the Living Word community has put into it, both on the faith side and the for profit businesses side side, have contributed to the beautification of this plaza. And I've had the fortune of being invited to different events across the countries, you know, summits for mayors and all this kind of stuff. I even went to South Africa. And when some people say, well, what's the biggest business in your town? I say, the biggest business is Living Word Christian center. By far. This community, this faith community is the largest property owner in the village of Forest Park. A home just sold here for just under $1 million. And I'll say again that this church community adds value to Forest Park. And so what happens now? The community continues to invest in Forest Park. Not only do they beautify Living, Living Fresh, but I know that Dr. Winston's not in it for the money. Because you know what he didn't do? He didn't even want to sell alcohol. I mean, who, what retailer doesn't want to sell alcohol? Right? I mean, two days ago I had one of the gas stations call up, can we sell packaged liquor?

[F]

No.

[H]

Aldi wanted to sell. Walmart wanted to sell. Living Fresh just wants to offer good foods in a place where people can shop with dignity. You know, I consciously watch the news, I watch the local news through Chicagoland, and I hear the words Forest park mentioned very often after discussions about philanthropical acts originating in this plaza. The food giveaways, the job fairs, the clothing giveaways, Kingdom Running Club,

[B]

all of

[H]

the promotion of healthy lifestyles, Living Word has invested in Forest Park. It's not just taking out of Forest Park. If you look at what just happened in the news two weeks ago, Governor Pritzker signed a massive transit reform bill. Transit governance reform bill. All the politicians in Springfield know about Forest park in large part because of what.

[B]

Thank you.

[H]

Because of living word. And so there's a provision in that bill that's going to stand up that's going to allow four communities to recoup all their expenses. That's Forest Park, Oak Park, River, Forest and Rosemont. Now, the people who crafted that bill in Springfield, you know what they called that provision? They called it the Forest park provision. This partnership has put Forest park on the map. Dr. Winston, thank you to the Winston family. Thank you to the church community.

[B]

Thank you.

[H]

I wish you a prosperous 2026. God bless you.

[B]

All right, all right, you can sit down. But that's what the church is all about. Influence. See, because you want people to come to Christ because they see something, they have experienced something that draws them to Christ. So Joseph, our road model, role model, and how he ascended to the top. And whatever mountain you're in, whether it's Hollywood or whatever mountain useful to go to the top, God has planted you in that place for a purpose. That's your assignment. That's make it work. That's all I got. Praise God. Let's give him a hand clap. Amen. Thank you. All right, questions and answers.

[A]

So Dr. Winston has said he wants to open it up for questions and answers. So I'm going to ask you if you have a question, question, just stand your feet, your feet real quick and we will get a microphone to you. Stand up real quick.

[B]

Hallelujah.

[A]

Yeah, go ahead, Morgan.

[G]

Go.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Okay. All right. Any kind of, any questions? Business, whatever. We've got all kinds of businesses and, and everything from the stock market all the way to businesses. And by the way, we have a huge prison ministry. And so what they do is the families of the incarcerated, they come to the mall at certain time and we give them free clothes. These clothes are not secondhand clothes. This is some of the finest. A billionaire sends us these clothes. And as fact, right now, I gotta make more room. He's sending four, 18 wheeled truckloads. So that's what happens when you start giving now. You got to be ready to receive. Okay, questions. All right. Yes. Amen.

[F]

Is based on the ministry that you have acquired over the years. How did you acquire your shopping center? Because most churches have a difficulty entering into the space of the political environment.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[F]

So the question would be. And the Encouragement would be to create a separate llc, a creative llc. Because most churches and most counties and agencies do not allow churches to do these type acquisitions.

[B]

Right.

[F]

However, in a creative manner, there is a way to access and purchase these acquisitions under a separate llc. So the question would be, did your ministry create a separate LLC to take down these entities, or did the church itself do it?

[B]

Sir? No. First stand up. Just keep standing up. We buy for Kenan, the mall right down the center. The north side is for profit. The south side is done for profit. That's where we did the property. Then as we come into the village, we're coming in there to make them have a greater impact as the village trustees on the community. So we have vowed to add to the community. In other words, when pandemic hit, they didn't lay off anybody because the mall was still making money. And we bought them patrol cars, whatever we could do to add to it and not take something off the tax rolls so it would benefit us. See, we got, excuse me, enough money to take care of you and us. We're not on this system. A lot of people have switched kingdoms, but not switch systems. And you need to check that because that could be a trap. So then different llc, whatever. And the mayor is a lawyer and most of the community is Caucasian. And so we are showing them the impact that the church supposed to make. That when you say church, you don't mean a bunch of poor people. You say church, you say church and all of a sudden they get in mind some of the wealthiest people going to be in this community going to church. So that's the picture we try to paint. That's the kingdom of God reordering it. And so that's where we are. God bless. All right, next.

[F]

Doctor Winston, as we know, we're in the end times.

[B]

Now you speak of end time wealth transfer. Yeah. And I'm interested to know how you see the connection between the end time

[F]

wealth transfer and financing the End time gospel.

[B]

Okay, so then how. What?

[D]

How do you see the connection between the end time wealth transfer and the financing of the end time gospel?

[B]

All right. One reason the transfer is taking place is for righteous deeds. Look at Ezekiel 36 and 33, verses 30. 36. All right, 36, verse 33 through 36. Am I saying that right? Yes. Okay, read that. Ezekiel. Ezekiel. Uh huh. Have you got it?

[E]

No, sir, he's not yet.

[B]

Okay. Ezekiel, chapter 36, verse 33 through 36. Have we got it?

[C]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Okay, somebody read that. Okay.

[C]

Thus says the Lord God in the Day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities, I will also cause you to dwell in the cities. And the waste shall be builded and the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it laid desolate in the sight of all that passed by.

[B]

But we got a whole lot of desolate land. People hurting, people poor. Some of the projects in the cities, we got a lot of desolate land. Keep reading.

[C]

And they shall say, this land that was desolate is become like the Garden of Eden.

[B]

You fix it. You fix it. I'm gonna give you the money. You fix it.

[G]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

See, he's looking for righteous acts. Amen. This is. This is money. Not to be used just to sit up and fat cat. See, if you think it's all for you, you don't get it. That's right. That's right. You got to have them on your mind. You fix it. And don't tell me about it again until you fix it. That means help them to get skills, to get jobs, help their families to come back together. This is all the indigenous things that happen in a poor community in our cities. You fix it. Teaching on that. You fix it. You're able to fix it because you can fix it all the way down to its super. It's unseen core, because you can get them saved. You can not only put clothes on so you can see when those people, the relatives of the inmates got all those clothes, how many of them are led to the church to be saved. They're asking the question, what must I do to be saved? You fix it. Think about that. Every problem that you see, you fix. It's time that we preach the gospel. That's the gospel. That we don't have to live this way anymore.

[G]

True.

[B]

Praise God. Next.

[C]

Thank you, Dr. Winston, for this Q and A. I'm an entrepreneur here in this community and I want to know what would you recommend as far as starting and investing?

[B]

As far as what?

[C]

Starting in an investment, whether it be the stock market or crypto, a lot

[B]

of people have used that. I have investment in one stock right now, and that's IBM. I just have that because I used to work there and I know the morals and so forth and so on. So I just have that. And it's grown tremendously. A lady who came to me short time ago and her husband apparently tried to play the stock market and lost all their money. I said, okay, I'll tell you what I'll do for you. I'll give you $2,000 to get in the market, and I'll make it seed money for you. And I said, your name will be on it. My name won't be on it. You can cash out whenever you get ready, but I advise you to leave it in there and so forth. So she said, okay. So I invested in Intel. Now I don't know where Intel's at now. Now I don't have my computer, but all you got to do is ask them, you know, on your phone, where's intel right now? You don't need to go to Intel. Just ask them, where's intel right now? And they'll tell you. We bought it at 2115. It's 115. What? Before. Before it went up, it went down. I said, that's the time you hold on to it. So it went down to 17, I think it was. I said, hold on to it. Don't do anything with it yet. So it went from 17 back to 20, $20 a share, and then went to 30 and then went to 40. And then with the 50, now these doubling her money then went to 60, then went to 70 and 75, then went to 80. And they said, now it's what, one hundred and fifteen. One hundred and fifteen. Now that. She said, well, I need some money. I said, how much you need? She said, I need $3,500. I said, okay. I said, let's call, and we have a whole stock market department. I said, call, and you want to pull out $3,500. She said, Boom. She called, got $3,500. She said works. This thing works. Well, that changed her whole mind about it because a lot of people who got big money are using the market to make more money. Now, Catrice, who used to work for us in that area, wrote a book that the stock market was God's idea. It was his idea first in its infancy of helping people who. Who have businesses to be able to finance the businesses. And so where you normally had relatives and you got the money from, now you can get it from outside and so forth. Now it's kind of worldly, and I know that. And so we don't advocate the worldly approach to it. But looking at it for genuinely,

[F]

This

[B]

is a whole nother subject here, but they have found that people are using it to make more money. Especially now because, see, I found Enron by the Lord. I was. I was waking up one morning getting ready for prayer, and he said, enron. I'm sorry, not Enron, Intel. And I said, intel. Oh, wow, then you can also lose all your money. Let me speak over here. You can also lose all your money. You got it? So I know a guy that was in Enron. As you know, they lost all their money. He came to me and he said, pastor, I got out of that stock I was in because you said to get out right now. And I said, I didn't preach on stock market. He said, I know, but that's what I heard. I said, what did you do? He said, I took my money all out. I said, did you? I said, what happened? Who was. What stock was that? He said it was called Enron. I said, my goodness. So he heard that. I'm not saying God tells you to play the stock market or what to invest in, but I'm letting you know that a lot of people are in the market and they're making a lot of money. So I'd rather sow seed because I can get a hundred fold. So people do play the market and so forth. I say tech stocks, of course, mag7 so forth, are really leading the way right now because of Donald Trump. He's caused companies that were overseas to move back in town. And intel was one of those. And he called and then he took. He took, I'm not political. Don't get political. He took. He took some of the government money, invested it in intel, and then he invested, what, I don't know, three and a half billion, whatever it was, and put it in Intel. Wait till it went up, then got back all the money, which at that time it doubled. So he had 6 billion. And he used that to pay for a ballroom he's building on the White House. Now, he needs no money from the people. He got his money from the market. But see, he's a businessman. And usually you don't have businessmen running politics. You have politicians and don't trust them. No, I should have said that. Scratch that. I scratched it. Okay, come on, let's have one or two more and we'll call it.

[D]

To your left, sir, in the back.

[B]

Okay.

[G]

Oh, hi, Pastor Winster.

[B]

Hi.

[C]

Hi.

[G]

Right here on your right. Can you hear me okay?

[B]

Yeah. So. Okay. All right, come on.

[G]

Yesterday you mentioned that when you open the Living Fresh, all the doors. Doors were closed, people were not coming in. It was like the enemy had blocked things. And you went on to, you know, to stand on some scriptures or whatnot, so. And today you mentioned, briefly, advertise God's way. I am a business owner, and in this last year and a half, everything I try to do in my business, that was literally sky skyrocketing by 2025. It just. It keeps. I can't break through on the advertisement. What would you do to break through that in the same way that you did with the Living Fresh? So clients can come and I can continue impacting because I know I'm called to do what I'm.

[B]

Let me make sure I heard you right.

[D]

Can. She wants to know. Know if you could speak again about how the disciples asked Jesus, how John taught his disciples to pray so that she can get business through prayer. Customers.

[B]

Do you mean God's way?

[D]

God's way, yes.

[B]

And using angels, yes. All right, first place. You got to have faith. What happens? A lot of times people try to use the work the way of God, but they don't have. They don't have enough faith to operate God's way. In other words, it takes faith with anything. Yes, sir. Anything. And. And listen, don't let your faith seep out. In other words, you hang around with a lot of people. Don't let your faith fall. Keep it working. Keep it strong. See? Because when it's strong and you have a shield of faith, nothing can get to you.

[E]

Yeah, that's right, sir.

[B]

They can't. Those can't get by that shield. So I would advise to study these principles, but don't fully come over if you're not ready by faith. If it's not. If you can't see it. Oh, you see what I'm saying? And so too much goes on. People here, somebody living by faith. My whole pastor's got the shopping all paid for, airplanes paid for. So what? You know, and they try to do it day one. And the faith isn't strong enough to do what they want.

[E]

That's right.

[B]

So just do pieces of it until you get your faith strong and you can see it, then do it. Amen. All right, one more, One more.

[D]

Here we are, sir.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Good afternoon, Dr. Winston, and God bless you.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

How are you able to manage business and ministry so powerfully in regards to time management and delegation?

[B]

Okay, let me have that one again. Some. Somebody help me.

[D]

How are you able to both manage ministry and business the way you do?

[B]

How do.

[D]

How are you able to manage both ministry and business?

[B]

One word. A good team.

[G]

Yeah,

[B]

a good team. You got somebody you gotta watch. You are in trouble. My name is Bill Winston, and I approve this message in three penustructures.

[A]

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