Episode Overview

Title: The Spirit of Seeing & Knowing | Jay Eberly | Holy Ghost Meetings 2022 | Monday AM
Host: Dufresne Ministries
Guest Speaker: Jay Eberly
Date: January 20, 2022

This episode, featuring guest minister Jay Eberly, explores "the spirit of seeing and knowing"—a biblical concept referring to certain manifestations of the Holy Spirit that empower believers to supernaturally perceive and understand things beyond natural ability. Eberly emphasizes how these gifts should be sought, stewarded, and kept in proper biblical balance alongside the foundational “inner witness” of the Spirit. The talk is peppered with personal stories, scriptural insight, practical warnings, and advice for both ministers and laypeople about stewarding the move of the Spirit in their churches and lives.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Challenge of Responding to Spiritual Leadings

• Eberly opens by describing personal experiences where God directed him to step up in stewarding the move of the Holy Spirit, often feeling unsure or unqualified.
  • “Some of the things God will speak to you about doing, if you walk by feelings, you feel very insufficient. You don't feel like you're the one. You feel like God made a mistake.” (02:00)
• He underscores that spiritual maturity comes through ongoing learning and obedience.

Keeping the Move of the Spirit on Track

• Eberly references past revivals—such as the Healing Revival of the 1940s and 1950s—that went off track due to selfish ambition or misuse of spiritual gifts, especially when these gifts were used for personal gain or competition.
  • “Competition between ministers... there's no big I's and little you's. It's just whoever God wants to use. Our heart is just whatever God wants to do—use who you want to use.” (04:28)
• Emphasizes the responsibility of unity and cooperation within the body to keep the move of the Spirit pure.

Understanding the Spirit of Seeing & Knowing

• Defines “the spirit of seeing and knowing” as primarily connected to the revelation gifts of the Spirit (e.g., word of knowledge, discerning of spirits), though not limited to these.
  • “The spirit of knowing, seeing and knowing, primarily… has to do with just the revelation gifts. The inner witness maybe is included in that.” (07:20)
• Refers to Jesus as the model for this flow: “I just do what I see my Father do. I just say what I hear my Father say.” (09:48)
• Warns against elevating more spectacular forms of guidance (visions, angelic visitations) over the inner witness, which is the foundational and primary way God leads His people.
  • “A bigger decision does not require something more than the inner witness. It just requires faith.” (21:00)

The Purpose of the More Spectacular Gifts

• Not every dream or vision is from God; all supernatural manifestations must be judged by the Word, by motive (does it glorify God?), and by the inner witness.
  • “Not everything that happens along this line is God. Not every dream you have is God. ... We judge them by the word of God, of course. We judge them by motive. … We judge it by the inner witness.” (15:10)
• Humorous but cautionary anecdote about mistaking flesh or error for true revelation (casting out a “devil” that wasn’t there, or having odd dreams):
  • “Did you get him?” (referring to a mentally challenged boy given deliverance prayer without need) (16:50)

The Need for Skill and Stewardship in Spiritual Manifestations

• Stresses the importance of being good stewards of the gifts (1 Peter 4:10).
  • “Skill in being led by the inner witness. But whatever area of spiritual things that we're operating in, we need to seek to be skillful.” (22:18)
• Manifestations should not become sources of pride or be mishandled—doing so can limit God’s ability to use an individual further.
  • “If you will properly handle these things, I'll use you more in these things. There's responsibility on me.” (24:35)
• Not everything revealed should be spoken out loud; sometimes revelation is for prayer, not public announcement.
  • “Your name's not Gabriel the great announcing angel.” (25:38)

Stories and Examples of the Spirit of Seeing & Knowing in Ministry

• Personal anecdote on healing and prophetic insight—ministering to a person after seeing in the Spirit why they were in distress.
  • “I saw the whole thing. ... I used it to pray for her. ... If you will properly handle these things, I'll use you more in these things.” (24:14–25:25)
• Warning about ‘YouTube prophets’ and modern-day abuses and false claims in prophetic ministry. (27:00)
• Testimony of stepping out on a word of knowledge and seeing a man’s tumor healed (31:24–32:20).
• Importance of obedience in acting on what one “sees” in the Spirit—miracles result from cooperation, not passivity.

Purposes of the Spirit of Seeing & Knowing

• To reveal spiritual influences:
  • Acts 8 – Simon the Sorcerer’s wrong motives (35:00)
  • Acts 16 – Discerning the spirit of divination (36:00)
  • Acts 5 – Exposing the deception of Ananias and Sapphira (37:00)
• To see and counteract demonic activity: (Stories about praying over political figures and outcomes)
  • “Jesus is the rise and fall of many in your nation. And he just fell.” (38:00)
• To administer healing and protection:
  • Story of warning a man not to get on a doomed flight (46:00).
  • Account of a man healed after acting on a word about tithing, but who later suffered after failing to follow through (59:00–58:06).
• To bring comfort to the grieving and guide those with a call:
  • Youth supernaturally comforted after father’s suicide and called into ministry (59:05–60:34).
• To correct doctrinal error:
  • "Correction in line with the Word … is a form of, if you want to use this word, an administration of the affairs of the church. God administrating things, keeping things in right order, keeping things in right line, bringing wrong doctrines out of the ditch." (61:00)
• To protect the church and its leadership:
  • Discerning wrong influence, manipulation, or character issues (e.g., Gehazi with Elisha, Sunday school teacher drug dealing).

Proper Motive and Balance in Pursuing Supernatural Gifts

• The motive behind manifesting spiritual gifts must always be to glorify Jesus and edify the church, not self-promotion.
  • “He'll glorify me. He doesn't glorify a man. He glorifies Jesus. And it's to bring profit to the body of Christ.” (25:13)
• The need for boldness and wisdom, not “correctiveness” or suspicion, in handling spiritual things.
  • “I don't think people are right hearted that want to just be corrective of everybody.” (67:00)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On feeling unqualified:

  • “Lord, are you sure you know who you're talking to here?” — Jay Eberly (02:07)

• On spiritual pride:

  • “That might mean you're unspiritual because you’ve got to be slapped around by some of these other things because you're not paying attention to the inner witness.” (13:35)

• On handling revelations:

  • “You don't have to say everything you know. … Your name’s not Gabriel the great announcing angel.” (25:35)
  • “If you will properly handle these things, I'll use you more in these things.” (24:45)

• On supernatural dreams and stewardship:

  • “Not everything that happens along this line is God. Not every dream you have is God.” (15:00)
  • “The gifts of the spirit are always perfect, but it’s not always perfectly manifested.” (20:20)

• On misusing the gifts:

  • “That was not a revelation from God that there was a devil in there. That's funny. Go ahead and laugh.” (17:08)

• On corporate response to the Spirit:

  • “A corporate anointing requires response. It puts a responsibility on the corporate body, not just the ministers.” (12:06)

• On ministry to the grieving:

  • “He said, ‘Mom, I went to heaven and dad was with Jesus.’ And it changed all that grief.” (59:22)

• On boldness in leadership:

  • "Some of you, there's pastors here...you need to address. They're starting to manipulate, they're starting to be bossy ... Father, give them boldness, Give them wisdom to steward this and handle it right..." (69:38)

• On the primacy of the inner witness:

  • “A greater, you know, a bigger decision does not require something more than the inner witness. It just requires, you know, the inner witness requires faith.” (21:00)

Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–03:30: Opening prayer and introduction; early testimony on apprehension in stepping into spiritual leadership
• 06:00–13:00: What is “the spirit of seeing & knowing”? Difference from the inner witness; Jesus as a model
• 15:00–20:00: Balancing supernatural experiences with biblical judgment and the role of motive
• 20:00–27:00: Issues of stewarding, skill, and handling revelations properly; responsibility not to misuse gifts
• 28:00–34:00: Practical stories illustrating obedience to the more spectacular gifts (words of knowledge, warnings, healing)
• 35:00–47:00: Biblical examples of the purpose of seeing & knowing—discerning spirits, exposing wrong motives, national implications
• 49:00–60:00: Testimonies of protection, healing, rescue from death, and comfort to the grieving by the spirit of seeing and knowing
• 61:00–65:00: Correcting doctrinal errors; supernatural administration and protection of the local church
• 68:15–71:00: Final exhortations and prayer for boldness, with Eberly’s signature humor (“Right now I’m done. I’m ready for you to quit. No, let’s just talk about just a little wee, wee, wee...”) concluding the message

Tone & Style

Jay Eberly’s teaching is marked by humility, practical wisdom, warmth, and humor. He blends stories from personal and ministry experience with explicit biblical grounding, always maintaining a tone of teachable dependence on God and respect for church order. The episode repeatedly highlights the importance of boldness, but without self-promotion or spiritual pride. The session is interactive and lively, with listeners frequently encouraged to say “Amen” or laugh at appropriate moments.

Summary Takeaways

• The "spirit of seeing and knowing" describes supernatural revelation gifts given by the Holy Spirit, designed to edify, protect, correct, and advance the church—not to draw attention to individuals.
• The foundational means of God’s leading is the “inner witness”—all other manifestations must be measured against this.
• Every believer (not just ministers) bears some responsibility to respond to and steward the move of the Spirit in a church.
• Proper handling, humility, and skill are needed to steward supernatural revelations—knowing when not to speak, to whom, and for what purpose.
• Greater manifestations of the Spirit come as believers prove trustworthy in the small, unseen, or hidden matters, not as they seek after the spectacular.
• All use of the gifts must be governed by a motive to glorify Jesus and build up (not manipulate or control) the body of Christ.

Memorable Call to Action:

“Say this. I'm bold to obey the Spirit. That could be just what he tells you to tell somebody.” (71:12)