Dufresne Ministries Podcast – "The Spirit Of Seeing & Knowing, Part One"

Speaker: Nancy Dufresne | Campmeeting 2019, World Harvest Church, Murrieta, CA
Date: June 12, 2019

Overview

Theme:
This episode centers on the "Spirit of Seeing & Knowing," drawing attention to the operation of the Word of Wisdom and the Word of Knowledge as gifts of the Spirit. Pastor Nancy Dufresne stresses the importance of honoring, cultivating, and demonstrating the gifts of the Spirit—particularly as they pertain to this era's emphasis on spiritual manifestations, hunger for divine movement, and faith’s role in yielding to the Holy Ghost.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Prophetic Encouragement and Positioning for Destiny

• Nancy shares recent personal words from the Lord:
  • “The turnaround is right around the corner.” ([00:17]) She emphasizes this word is for anyone who will receive it by faith.
  • “You’re standing on the threshold of destiny.”
• Insight: These personal words are offered to the congregation as rhema—timely encouragements for all believers with ears to hear and faith to act.

2. Learning to Discern the Move of the Spirit

• Nancy describes her personal experiences of sensing the anointing, how it signals healing, a prayer burden, or the presence of an angel. ([00:56])
  • “You have to learn through experience what God wants to do with that.” ([01:13])
• She recounts needing to connect the dots and pay attention whenever the Spirit communicates, whether tangibly or by inward knowing.

3. Angelic Assistance in Ministry

• Cites Kenneth E. Hagin’s teaching:
  • Every believer has a guardian angel and some ministerial callings include “messenger angels.”
  • These angels participate in delivering and embedding spiritual messages in the hearts of hearers ([02:18]).
  • “He [the angel] will bring him instruction from God... but there are times that the angels will have a message. And we find that scripturally through the Word...” ([02:36])
• Emphasizes that angels supplement, but never replace, the Holy Spirit in the believer’s life.

4. The Importance of Holding to God-Given Messages

• Recalls visions of angels carrying oracles (containers with God-breathed messages) seeking those who would honor and carry these messages ([03:41]).
• Quote:
  “It's not about us repeating someone's sermon. It's about us not letting go of something, someone's message that God gave to the earth.” ([03:58])
• Invites listeners to maintain and value the enduring messages God sends through leaders (e.g., Kenneth Hagin, Norvel Hayes).

5. Building on Spiritual Foundations

• Charts out historical "restorations"—from Martin Luther (justification by faith), John Wesley (holiness), Azusa Street (Holy Spirit baptism), healing, and Word of Faith movements.
• Stresses the need to neither lose nor neglect core revelations* ([06:20]):
  • “Just because the man who delivered it is no longer here, it has lost pertinence. … When you get it, you don’t let it go.” ([07:04])

6. Emphasis for the Present Era: Gifts of the Spirit

• The central message: This era is destined for a revival of the gifts of the Spirit, particularly the gifts of revelation and utterance ([09:05]).
• Summarizes the order of revivals and asserts the current need for a move of the gifts:
  “This last day revival is a revival of the gifts of the spirit. To flow with the gifts of the Spirit, you gotta have faith.” ([09:42])
• Asserts that lack of desire for the gifts is a faith issue.

7. How the Spirit Manifests and Our Responsibility

• 1 Corinthians 12 and the list of the nine gifts are explored ([11:14]).
  • “The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withall.” ([11:18])
  • Emphasizes it is the Spirit’s prerogative (not man's control) to give—our role is to hunger and prepare.
• Quote:
  “A half-hearted approach will not bring a manifestation or create an atmosphere for a manifestation to take place.” ([13:07])
• Hunger and teaching are prerequisites for seeing greater manifestations ([16:22]).

8. Skillfulness and Interest in the Gifts

• Cites Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin, emphasizing that skill develops through interest, teaching, and experience ([18:54]).
  • “If we’re ignorant, it shows our lack of interest. And that grieves the Spirit…” ([20:07])
• Encourages ministers to seek exposure to seasoned move-of-the-Spirit ministries for impartation and practical growth ([21:50]).

9. Faith Overcomes Overthinking

• Offers personal anecdotes about moving in tongues and interpretation:
  • Faith is required to act before one “knows everything”; overthinking thwarts the flow ([30:10]–[41:00]).
• Quote:
  “The best way to accurately and skillfully flow with interpretation of tongues is the minute he starts speaking in tongues, just get your tongue going… Once I opened my mouth, then it would come out. Now, let me tell you, that takes faith.” ([36:23])

10. Obedience and Growing Sensitivity

• Emphasizes attentiveness to the Spirit’s tiny flashes and nudges.
• Cites personal examples where sensitivity leads to ministering at the right moment ([43:10]).
  • “It’s like that cue card that comes up… And it’s my responsibility to flow with the spirit.” ([43:23])
• Cautions against the flesh’s desire for control, stating spiritual manifestations are under the Spirit’s control ([44:54]).

11. Categories of the Gifts and the 'Spirit of Seeing and Knowing'

• Outlines the three categories:
  • Power Gifts (do something): healings, miracles, faith.
  • Revelation Gifts (reveal something): word of wisdom, word of knowledge, discerning of spirits.
  • Vocal Gifts (say something): tongues, interpretation, prophecy.
    • ([46:56])
• The main subject:
  • "The spirit of seeing and knowing" is the operation of the word of wisdom and the word of knowledge ([47:40]).
  • “God said to dad Hagin, 'The spirit of seeing and knowing will be in manifestation in a greater measure than what you have ever seen before.' … But just because God wants to do it doesn't mean it'll get done unless we want to move with what He wants to do.” ([47:41])

12. Why Revelation Gifts Precede Power Gifts

• Explains the divine order: God speaks (revelation), then God acts (power).
  • “The revelation gifts have to come into manifestation before the power gifts... Because God says something before he does something.” ([55:41])

13. Praying in the Spirit Prepares Us for the Gifts

• Praying in tongues opens sensitivity to the gifts of revelation ([53:00]).
  • “The spirit of seeing is available to those who pray in the Spirit.” ([53:42])
• Dufresne encourages all believers—not just ministers or prophets—to pray in tongues to operate in these gifts.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nancy Dufresne, on faith and obedience in spiritual gifts:
  “Overthinking dismisses the manifestations of the Spirit. Because overthinking is not the faith arena. The mind is not the faith arena. When you leave the faith arena, you’re done moving with the Spirit.” ([29:18])

• On honoring spiritual revelations:
  “Just because men leave, messages don’t. … Have a ministry that God will promote: you have to promote the message.” ([04:41])

• On corporately hungering for the gifts:
  “You have to teach people to be hungry for the manifestation of the Spirit—not just so they get theirs, but so anyone in need can get theirs.” ([15:04])

• On faith required for moving in the Spirit:
  “If you’re not willing to start talking before the mind kicks in, you have to be bypassed in these manifestations … The quicker I start talking, the quicker I’m going to get connected to my spirit instead of my mind.” ([37:30])

• On divine order in the operation of gifts (word of knowledge/wisdom before miracles):
  “God says, then God does. … So when God said to dad Hagin, ‘the spirit of seeing and knowing will be in greater manifestation,’ what does he want? We have to say some things. We have to say what we see, so he can do what we say.” ([56:17])

• On skillfulness and pursuing knowledge of the Spirit:
  “For any of us to not care enough or be interested enough or hungry enough to become skillful is the problem. Every one of us becomes skillful at what we’re interested in.” ([19:53])

Important Segment Timestamps

• Turnaround and Destiny (prophetic encouragement): [00:17] – [01:10]
• Lessons on Sensing Anointing/Angelic Ministry: [01:13] – [04:20]
• Importance of Valuing Spiritual Messages: [04:41] – [08:50]
• Timeline of Church Revivals & Lost Messages: [06:25] – [09:22]
• Emphasis on Gifts of the Spirit for Our Day: [09:05] – [11:50]
• Teaching on 1 Cor 12 and How Spirit Manifests: [11:14] – [13:35]
• Conditions for Manifestations: Hunger & Teaching: [13:07] – [16:22]
• Faith, Overthinking & Personal Anecdotes: [30:10] – [41:00]
• Sensitivity & Obedience to the Spirit: [43:10] – [44:41]
• Categories of Spiritual Gifts: [46:56] – [47:50]
• The Spirit of Seeing & Knowing (theme explained): [47:41] – [49:41]
• Order of Revelation and Power Gifts: [55:41] – [56:17]
• Culminating Prophetic Word & Impartation (Pastor Noel): [62:30] – [71:44]
• Prayer for Hunger and Declaration for This Era: [71:44] – [80:00]
• Prophetic Worship Song (stepping in & stepping out): [79:42] – [84:05]

Memorable Moments

• Impartation of the Spirit of Seeing & Knowing:

  • Pastor Noel delivers a prophetic word:
    • “As you speak what you see in the spirit… God will manifest and the glory… The gifts of the Spirit will be in operation in a greater way, in a greater measure.” ([62:30]–[66:55])

• Corporate Declarations & Song of Commitment:

  • Prophetic singing:
    • “We’re stepping in, we’re stepping out. We’re moving with the Spirit. We’ll sing and praise and shout…” ([79:42]–[84:05])

• Call to Actualization:

  • Nancy: “How about we be part of the fulfillment of what God said to dad Hagin?... I’m taking it—taking the knowledge, taking the skill, taking the faith, taking the renewed mind for it.” ([62:00]–[63:00])

Takeaways

• God is calling the church to honor established spiritual truths and messages, not seek novelty for its own sake.
• The gifts of the Spirit—especially word of wisdom and knowledge—are intended to be in greater manifestation now.
• Hunger, faith, knowledge, and practical skill are necessary conditions for these manifestations.
• Sensitivity to the Spirit, willingness to act by faith, and teaching on the gifts are crucial for both ministers and congregations.
• The revival of the gifts is essential for the coming harvest—God’s divine tools for supernatural increase and change.
• Every believer can and should pursue and grow in these gifts—not just “prophets” or leaders.

Final Benediction:
“We’re hungry. We’re interested to grow in skill and knowledge. … These are ways you manifested in times of old. We need them. We welcome them. We honor them. And we thank you for them.” ([72:18])

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