Podcast Summary: "The Spirit of Seeing & Knowing, Part Three"
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Event: Campmeeting 2019, World Harvest Church, Murrieta, CA
Date: June 15, 2019
Main Theme and Purpose
This message delves into the “Spirit of Seeing and Knowing,” which Pastor Nancy Dufresne defines primarily as the spiritual gifts of the Word of Wisdom and the Word of Knowledge. Building on the prophetic insight that 2019 marked "a new day" for stepping deeper into the Spirit, Nancy teaches how these gifts operate in the church and in individual believers, their real-life application for supernatural insight, prevention, healing, guidance, and protection. Throughout, listeners are encouraged to earnestly seek, cooperate, and become skillful in spiritual gifts for personal and corporate breakthrough.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
A New Day in the Spirit (00:45)
- 2019 Prophecy: This year marks a new day "of stepping into places in the Spirit" for “greater flow” and “fresh momentum” (01:15).
- Cooperation Needed: It’s not enough for God to declare a new day; we must lay hold and step into what He offers (01:40).
- "We have to put forth our part of laying hold of it." (01:40)
The Spirit of Seeing & Knowing: Defined (02:10)
- Reference to Dad Hagin: Cites Kenneth E. Hagin’s prophecy about an increase of the “Spirit of seeing and knowing” (02:45).
- Gifts Involved:
- Word of Wisdom: Reveals future events.
- Word of Knowledge: Reveals facts about the present or past, only knowable by the Spirit.
- Expected to Operate: Not exclusively for ministers; available for believers as needed.
The Role in Protection & Church Leadership (04:10)
- Preserving the Church: The Spirit reveals the enemy’s strategies in advance, empowering church leaders to preempt problems (05:00).
- "If we'll listen to the Holy Ghost, he'll keep us in front of situations. That's called being the head, not the tail." (06:25)
- Pastoral Accountability: Leaders should act on spiritual insights immediately, instead of “waiting for God to handle it” (07:50).
- "God does his part by showing us things. Sometimes many will make the mistake of praying, 'Oh, God, do something about the problem!' He did – He gave the church a pastor." (07:55)
Healing: Finding and Closing the Door (10:50)
- Connection to Healing: The word of knowledge often reveals the cause of a sickness, showing where someone “gave place” to the enemy (Ephesians 4:27).
- "You can't just keep doing the wrong thing and healing come and be maintained." (12:55)
- Generational Patterns vs. Curses: For believers, patterns aren’t curses; Christ redeemed us (14:40).
- "To the unsaved it is, but to the saved, we're not under a curse anymore... The devil works in patterns, and when you pay attention to the patterns, you know how to cut him off." (15:00)
Healing Testimonies & Examples
- The Critical Role of Spiritual Insight: When a congregant fell ill after leaving the church in offense, Nancy illustrates that merely returning is not always enough without spiritual renewal and removal of blockage to God's power (16:35).
- "It's not about getting God to send power. It's about our ability to receive it and not hinder it." (17:55)
- Ed Dufresne’s Testimony (Personal Story): Ed’s cancer was healed after obeying God by resting and repenting for disobedience (21:50).
- "He had to deal with the cause, or that thing would have kept going. This is the great benefit of being able to be sensitive to God because you can know the spirit of knowing." (22:50)
Expanding Application: Warnings, Direction & Guidance (26:50)
- Warnings About the Future: Word of knowledge/prophecy can inform people of upcoming trouble (Agabus warning Paul, Acts) or danger, so they’re prepared (28:30).
- Exposing Corruption: The gifts also expose issues within the church, protecting its health (Ananias & Sapphira) (29:25).
- "God will help the pastor protect a flow." (29:28)
Practical Examples
- Recovering Lost Things: From missing household items to kidnapped children—Nancy gives vivid accounts of supernatural direction (30:18, 32:45).
- "The Holy Ghost...knows where things are, but he also knows how to recover lost persons." (32:00)
- Deliverance from Danger: Stories include spiritual intervention in kidnappings and car accidents, demonstrating both word of knowledge and authority in prayer (33:00–37:35).
Operation of Authority with the Gifts (41:15)
- Praying in Tongues & Using Authority: Praying in tongues brings revelation; once the issue is seen/known, authority must be exercised in the language of authority (not tongues) (44:10).
- "When you deal with something, you don't deal with it by speaking in tongues – tongues brings you to the place of seeing and knowing. Once you see and know, now you have to deal with your authority." (44:40)
- Story: Plane Crash (47:20)
- One survivor intentionally took authority (“Satan, you take your hands off my life”) while others only prayed in tongues. The lesson: Authority must be used.
Cultivating the Gifts: Initiation and Asking (49:05)
- Don't Wait Passively: Sometimes God won't show things unless we ask (James 4:2, "You have not because you ask not") (49:50).
- "Don’t wait for God to always initiate something... sometimes there's nothing to show because we're not asking." (50:13)
Personal Example: Praying for a Spouse (52:00)
- Guidance for Her Son: Spiritual insight (“Go south”) led to her son meeting his future wife, a connection that would not have happened otherwise.
Consecration & Dedication: A Prerequisite (55:00)
- Quoting Dad Hagin’s Prophecy: The Spirit of Seeing & Knowing increases for those who consecrate and dedicate themselves to the Lord (55:55).
- "Consecration and dedication is almost an unknown element in the body of Christ today... So the Spirit will manifest himself unto thee and through thee." (56:30)
- Becoming Skillful: Encourages keeping a “spiritual homework notebook” to note what the Holy Spirit speaks for personal application (01:00:10).
Receiving Healing: Demonstration & Ministry Segments
[See timestamps: 01:01:40 – 02:19:00]
- Call for Healing: Pastor Dufresne and her team minister to dozens with heart issues, eye conditions, arthritis, cancer, diabetes, and more.
- Instructions Given:
- “When hands are laid on me...I shall be whole” is spoken aloud by all coming for prayer (01:08:10).
- Worship and faith-filled confession keep the "switch of faith" on after receiving prayer.
- "As you leave this place, those who had hands laid on you especially, keep the switch of faith turned on. And worship is one way. Not check the body; worship." (02:12:30)
- Team Ministry: Other ministers with specific healing endowments (cancer, autoimmune, depression, diabetes, breast issues) are invited to minister (01:18:00–01:32:00).
- Impartation and Increase: Corporate impartations for increase in healing anointing are prayed over fellow ministers (01:36:00–01:41:00).
Final Exhortation & Application (02:16:00)
- Worship as a Lifestyle: Worship is not a tool for a moment, but the way to continually engage faith for what was received (02:16:00).
- “How long do I have to do this? The rest of your life. Just the rest of your life. It’s the way we live.” (02:17:20)
- Stay Skillful, Stay Hungry: Faith, worship, and spiritual discipline keep one pressing into greater supernatural experiences.
- Encouragement for a New Day: The congregation is repeatedly exhorted to step into the new flow God is offering.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- On being proactive:
- "If we'll listen to the Holy Ghost, he'll keep us in front of situations. That's called being the head, not the tail." (06:25)
- On healing roots:
- "You can't just keep doing the wrong thing and healing come and be maintained." (12:55)
- On spiritual authority:
- "When the Spirit of seeing and knowing goes into operation, he'll also give you the knowing of how to deal with it." (44:25)
- "You don't have to feel anything for your authority to work." (45:50)
- On dedication:
- "Consecration and dedication is almost an unknown element in the body of Christ today... So the Spirit will manifest himself unto thee and through thee." (56:30)
- On worship as spiritual maintenance:
- "How long do I have to do this? The rest of your life. Just the rest of your life. It’s the way we live." (02:17:20)
- On taking spiritual steps:
- "It's not about getting the Spirit to drag us in. We have to step in. Holy Ghost, we recognize that you won't force us in. You just open the way." (01:04:30)
Useful Timestamps
- 01:15 – Prophetic charge for 2019; definition of the new day
- 02:10 – Introduction to the gifts of Spirit: word of wisdom & word of knowledge
- 06:25 – The importance of acting on spiritual revelation in leadership
- 10:50 – Relationship between gifts of the Spirit and healing
- 16:35 – Story of restoration, healing, and hindered power flow
- 21:50 – Ed Dufresne’s healing testimony
- 26:50 – Wide-reaching applications: comfort, direction, protection
- 32:00 – Testimony: supernatural help in recovering kidnapped children
- 41:15 – Authority in prayer: not tongues, but command
- 47:20 – Plane crash account illustrating the necessity of using one’s authority
- 49:50 – The need to ask God for revelation, not wait passively
- 55:55 – Dad Hagin’s prophetic word on consecration and gifts
- 01:01:40 – 02:19:00 – Healing ministry, impartation, team prayer
- 02:16:00 – Lifestyle of worship as faith maintenance
Conclusion
Pastor Nancy Dufresne's message is a comprehensive call to live proactively and skillfully in the supernatural. By teaching the operation and necessity of the Spirit of Seeing & Knowing—both corporately and personally—she exhorts believers to consecrate themselves, value spiritual gifts, apply faith-filled worship, and walk boldly in their God-given authority for the profit and safety of their lives, their families, and their churches.
Key Takeaway: To experience the fullness of this “new day” and flow in the Spirit, believers must hunger for, consecrate themselves to, and skillfully cooperate with the gifts of the Spirit—becoming both seers and knowers in daily life.
For more resources and upcoming meetings, visit: dufresneministries.org