Episode Overview

Title: The Two Sides Of Healing, Part One | Nancy Dufresne | Jesus The Healer Broadcast
Date: May 30, 2019
Host/Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne, with introduction by Grant Dufresne
Main Theme:
Pastor Nancy Dufresne explores the biblical foundations of divine healing with a focus on "the two sides of healing": (1) understanding healing as a right purchased by Jesus and (2) recognizing the conditions for staying in position to receive healing. Drawing from scripture and personal testimonies, the episode emphasizes the believer's role in receiving and maintaining their health.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. God’s Emphasis on Healing ([00:16])

• Pastor Nancy opens with Isaiah 53, stating that God is presently pouring out revelation about healing, and it is important for believers to emphasize what God emphasizes.
• Key Insight: "If Jesus emphasized healing, we need to emphasize it. It needs to be an emphasis of our life, because without a healed body, you're going to be limited in your ability to obey everything God has for your life." ([00:36])

2. Skillfulness in Receiving Healing ([01:34])

• Healing is not just for preachers; every believer must be skillful in receiving and maintaining divine health.
• Practical Application: Know how to "talk to symptoms," forbid them in your life, and "take your place in healing."

3. The Price Jesus Paid ([03:15])

• Jesus not only bore humanity’s sins but also every sickness and disease.
• Personal Testimony: Nancy recounts a vision her late husband Ed Dufresne experienced:
  "He saw Jesus hanging on the cross... words started flying through the air. They were words of sickness and disease being laid on Him... Words that I didn't even recognize, that really weren't even known to man. Words of sickness and disease." ([04:38])
• Memorable Moment:
  • As Ed saw "words... slow at first... then faster and faster," it symbolized the countless forms of sickness laid on Jesus, beyond human knowledge.

4. Resisting the Devil—The Believer’s Role ([07:42])

• Believers must actively resist sickness.
• "If you don't forbid it, the devil will stay, the symptoms will stay, the pains will stay, the sickness will stay..." ([09:11])
• Key Quote:
  "Resist the devil and he will flee. Why would God tell us to resist him if God was going to do it for us?" ([09:58])
• She compares ignoring one's part in resisting the enemy to being ignorant of a thief and waiting for God to intervene when the action is required of the believer.

5. Understanding Healing as a Right ([12:42])

• Healing is a covenant right, shown in scriptures like Isaiah 53:4-5 and 1 Peter 2:24.
• Nancy delves into Hebrew word meanings: "griefs" = sicknesses, "sorrows" = pains ([14:58]).
• Illustration: God laid all humanity’s sickness and sin on Jesus—not because these originated in heaven, but because it was needed for redemption ([16:53]).

6. Honoring the Price Paid for Healing ([17:48])

• "Since they paid such a great price, we need to honor that price by not permitting any sickness or any disease."
• Challenging Question: Are we truly honoring Jesus’ sacrifice if we tolerate sickness?

7. Dispelling Misconceptions: God Does Not Make People Sick ([20:21])

• Nancy strongly refutes the belief that God teaches through sickness.
• Quote:
  "If God was trying to teach you something through sickness, why did he make His Son suffer so greatly, carrying the penalty of our sickness and disease?" ([21:06])
• God's way of teaching is through His Word, not through affliction.

8. The Two Sides of Healing Explained ([22:27])

Side One: Healing Belongs to Us ([22:34])

• Healing is the believer’s right; when symptoms challenge this right, resistance is needed.

Side Two: Healing is Conditional—Requires Staying in Position ([23:15])

• Not automatically received; believers must remain in position spiritually to access what God is continually offering.

9. Staying in Position to Receive Healing (The "Cell Phone" Analogy) ([24:20])

• Analogy: Owning a phone and service doesn’t guarantee reception if you’re out of signal range. Similarly, healing is provided, but can only be received when the believer stays "in position."
• Key Quote:
  "It’s not that you lost your phone... You were at a position to where what the service provided couldn’t reach you." ([24:37])

10. Three Keys to Remaining in Position—#1: Obedience ([25:46])

• Obedience is the foremost way to stay positioned for healing.

Scriptural Foundation: Deuteronomy 28:1-2 ([26:12])

• Obedience lifts nations and individuals "above every other" ([27:16]).
• Key Quotes:
  "If listening to God and obeying Him will lift a nation, what do you think it’ll do to you as an individual?" ([27:54])
  "If you're not going to listen to God, if you're going to do what you want to do regardless of what he says, it's you that's going to suffer for that." ([28:39])

Obedience Isn't Negotiable ([30:03])

• Scripture’s commands are not suggestions; healing will not flow on the ground of disobedience.
• Challenging Reflection: "What belongs to us will not flow in disobedience... Healing is flowing on the ground of obedience." ([31:16])

Obedience to Both the Word and the Spirit ([31:46])

• Sometimes the Word is enough; personal instruction comes when necessary. "People are trying to get God to talk to them. He's just trying to get them to obey what He's already said." ([32:51])

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "Without a healed body, you're going to be limited in your ability to obey everything God has for your life." — Nancy Dufresne ([00:36])

• "If you don't forbid it, the devil will stay, the symptoms will stay, the pains will stay, the sickness will stay..." — Nancy Dufresne ([09:11])

• "Resist the devil and he will flee. Why would God tell us to resist him if God was going to do it for us?" — Nancy Dufresne ([09:58])

• "God doesn't make anyone sick... God's way of teaching his children is through His Word, not through something the devil does." — Nancy Dufresne ([21:06])

• "Healing belongs to us as children of God. But it can't reach us when we're going to stand on the ground of disobedience." — Nancy Dufresne ([31:16])

• "People are trying to get God to talk to them. He's just trying to get them to obey what He's already said." — Nancy Dufresne ([32:51])

Memorable Moments

• Ed Dufresne’s Vision of Jesus on the Cross: Vivid imagery conveys the weight of sickness laid upon Jesus, underscoring the cost of healing ([04:38]).
• The Cell Phone Analogy: Simple, relatable explanation of what it means to be out of position spiritually ([24:20]).

Important Segment Timestamps

• Introduction: [00:00-00:16]
• Emphasis on Healing and Scriptural Foundation (Isaiah 53): [00:16-04:38]
• Vision Testimony and Jesus Bearing Sickness: [04:38-07:42]
• Practical Steps: Forbidding Sickness and Resisting the Devil: [07:42-12:42]
• Healing as a Right (Scripture Deep Dive): [12:42-17:48]
• God Does Not Teach with Sickness: [20:21-22:27]
• Explaining the Two Sides of Healing: [22:27-25:46]
• Staying in Position for Healing (Cell Phone Analogy): [24:20-25:46]
• First Condition—Obedience (Deuteronomy 28): [25:46-32:51]

Conclusion

In this foundational episode on healing, Pastor Nancy Dufresne establishes that divine healing is both a right and a responsibility for believers. Jesus paid an immense price to secure both salvation and health, but receiving and maintaining healing requires personal participation—specifically, skillfulness in resisting the devil and remaining obedient to God’s Word and Spirit. This is only the first part—the groundwork for a deeper understanding of walking in health from a biblical, faith-filled perspective.