The Work Of Believing | Nancy Dufresne | Ladies Conference '19 | World Harvest Church | Murrieta, CA

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Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Episode: The Work Of Believing | Nancy Dufresne | Ladies Conference '19 | World Harvest Church | Murrieta, CA
Date: October 4, 2019
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne, with Ed and Debbie Dufresne
Main Theme: Understanding and practicing the “work of believing” as the key to experiencing God’s miraculous power in everyday life.

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Overview

This episode, recorded during the 2019 Ladies Conference at World Harvest Church, centers on what Pastor Nancy Dufresne calls “the work of believing”—the biblical principle that the manifestation of miracles is deeply connected to faith, personal cooperation, and spiritual skillfulness. Pastor Nancy, with Ed and Debbie Dufresne, unpacks scriptural examples (from Moses to Blind Bartimaeus to Jesus’ miracles) illustrating that God’s miracles follow those who actively engage in faith, right believing, and right speaking rather than passive waiting.

Key topics include:

• God’s readiness to perform miracles and the believer’s responsibility to “turn aside and see,” like Moses.
• The distinction between mental assent and genuine, heart-based faith.
• The practice of meditating on the Word, right confession, and Spirit-led action as the “work” that brings miracles.
• The importance of learning spiritual skill, responding to God’s leading, and expecting the supernatural.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Miracles: Always Available, But Not Automatic

• God is always ready to work miracles. However, believers must actively “turn aside” from the ordinary—as Moses did at the burning bush—to engage with God and recognize His movements.

  • Quote: “Every day, miracles are coming to you or going past you. What determines whether they stop with you or go past you? Whether or not you turn aside to see.” (Debbie Dufresne, 06:25)

• Faith draws in the miraculous. Using examples like Blind Bartimaeus, the speakers stress that “God goes where faith puts Him.” (Ed Dufresne, 08:28) Bartimaeus’ persistent calling brought Jesus (and the miracle) to a stop.

2. The “Work” of Believing—What Does it Mean?

• Jesus identified believing as a work. Referencing John 6:28-29, Jesus was asked, “What must we do to do the works of God?” and replied, “This is the work of God, that you believe.” Believing is active, not passive.

  • Quote: “He calls it a work, not play. It is work.” (Debbie Dufresne, 21:43)
  • Insight: In a corporate anointing, believing feels easy; in personal battles, holding to that believing is “the work.”

• But it's not hard work—unless we’re empty.

  • Quote: “It’s not hard unless you’re empty.” (Debbie Dufresne, 28:08)

3. The Practical Process of Believing: Joshua 1:8 Blueprint

• The process has three main elements:
  1. The Word in your mouth (confession): Constantly speak what God says.
     • “The work of believing begins in your mouth… People will say, you’re talking about works. You’re exactly right—I am.” (Debbie Dufresne, 31:32)
  2. The Word in your thoughts (meditation): Meditate on Scripture day and night. Meditation anchors your mind, moving truth from head-knowledge to heart-faith and ensuring consistency.
     • “Meditation does for you what speaking won’t do for you. Meditation is going to deal with your thought life.” (Ed Dufresne, 36:02)
  3. Spirit-led action (doing): Only then act on the Word or prompting of the Spirit—not randomly, but as directed.
     • “You don’t fire [the musket] until it’s loaded and packed. The word in your mouth is loading the gun. The rod is the meditation… Now, when the spirit says ‘now’... then you fire.” (Debbie Dufresne, 49:07)

4. Heart Over Routine: Importance of Attitude and Attention

• How you approach God matters as much as that you approach Him. A spiritual, hungry attitude draws the supernatural.
  • “It matters how we attend—how we come. Hungry, believing, reaching—not bored, disinterested, or thinking of something else.” (Debbie Dufresne, 15:09)

5. The Miracle of Skillfulness: Gaining Spiritual Proficiency

• Miracles flow in proportion to our skill in working with God.

  • Example: Story of Richard Sigmund’s vision of angels with body parts, waiting for believers to respond in faith (12:56-13:54).

• Corporate Skill: Practicing faith personally prepares the body to flow powerfully together corporately.

  • “God gives you your personal life to practice on so that when we come together, we are already in the habit of saying the right thing, thinking the right thing, and acting in line with the right thing.” (Debbie Dufresne, 48:27)

6. “Power Meets Movement”—The Testimony of God’s Provision

• Personal story: Ed and Debbie’s testimony of received property: God told them a house was theirs when all circumstances looked impossible, but they responded by acting, meeting the owner, and saw God’s supernatural orchestration unfold.
  • “Power meets movement. If we would have sat and waited for money to show up…” (Ed Dufresne, 103:51)
  • “Just because you can’t see it on the front side doesn’t mean the supply isn’t complete on the backside.” (Ed Dufresne, 104:52)

7. The Prophetic and the Supernatural: Visions and Utterances

• Vision of creative miracles: Pastor Nancy recounts a dream where she saw a man’s amputated legs growing back, highlighting that we need to “see” in the spirit before it manifests.

  • “You don’t have faith to move with something until you see it in your spirit. …God will show us things no man can show us, that maybe we haven’t seen.” (Debbie Dufresne, 59:59)

• Call to spiritual seeing: The church is urged to make time for spiritual vision—“It’s time to see in the spirit realm… because they must be seen before people will believe for God to work them.” (Ed Dufresne, 61:34)

• Prophetic encouragement: Mark this night! “Tonight marks a turning point… a marked time… when new things came to life in me.” (Guest Speaker, 94:34)

8. Encouragement to Ministers and Intercessory Prayer

• Personal words of encouragement, prayer, and impartation for ministers and leaders—emphasizing that prayer and the “work of believing” bring new levels of anointing, skill, and creative miracles into manifestation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• The importance of faith positioning
  “God goes where faith puts Him.” (Ed Dufresne, 03:33 and 08:28)

• On miracles passing by
  “Every day miracles are coming to you or going past you… what determines whether they stop with you or go past you? Whether or not you turn aside to see.” (Debbie Dufresne, 06:25)

• On skill in the miraculous
  “It will flow to the degree of our skill.” (Ed Dufresne, 79:14)

• On personal responsibility
  “We determine the outcome. Circumstances can come, but the outcome of those circumstances rests with us.” (Ed Dufresne, 26:32)

• Faith is not drama
  “Faith people have no room for drama. No room.” (Ed Dufresne, 26:13)

• The “workday” illustration
  “There’s an order to the work... when you know what’s expected, it’s a joy to work. This is the work of believing: we know what’s expected of us.” (Debbie Dufresne, 41:08)

• On moving with the Spirit
  “Don’t just keep doing things like they have been done, but be open to what the Spirit says, how He directs.” (Debbie Dufresne, 72:28)

• On marking transformational moments
  “Tonight marks a turning point. …Today’s the day. This is the hour. Oh, a marked time. …Be sure, be certain and do not forget.” (Guest Speaker, 94:34)

• On God’s provision
  “Power meets movement… what God says to us is never a money issue. It’s always a faith issue.” (Debbie Dufresne, 105:17)

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Important Timestamps

• On “time for miracles” and faith’s role – 03:39–06:30
• Blind Bartimaeus: Faith arrests the miracle – 07:04–08:47
• Miracles as supernatural, not always spectacular – 09:11–09:36
• Joshua 1:8—Blueprint of believing – 28:33–49:07
• The “musket” illustration (confession/meditation/doing) – 48:53–50:26
• Vision: Legs growing out (creative miracle) – 54:47–59:32
• Prophetic encouragements and impartations to ministers – 63:14–81:25
• “Power meets movement” property testimony – 101:26–105:49
• Closing charge to the congregation: “Mark this night as a turning point” – 94:34–110:19

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Flow and Tone

The tone throughout is passionate, practical, and deeply encouraging. Pastor Nancy and Ed Dufresne engage with the audience in warm, direct, and personal language, continuously returning to the central truth: Faith is not just a belief but a lifestyle, an active, disciplined, and Spirit-led stance that positions believers to experience God’s miracle-working power.

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Summary

“The Work of Believing” episode is a profound call to believers to stop passively waiting for miracles and to start skillfully cooperating with God: through devotion to His Word (speaking and meditating), persistent faith, spiritual hunger, Spirit-led action, and being ready to “see” in the spirit before the natural manifestation. Miracles are available every day, but they come to those who recognize, respond, and move with God.

Memorable takeaway:

“Power meets movement. …What God says to us is never a money issue. It’s always, always a faith issue. It’s always an acting issue.” (Debbie Dufresne, 105:17)

Listener Application:
Keep God’s word in your mouth; meditate on it constantly; be Spirit-led in your actions—and be ready to see and move, for it’s time for miracles.

Transcript

[Grant Dufresne]

Hi, I'm Grant Dufresne, and welcome to Dufresne Ministries podcast channel. We believe that as you listen to this message, your faith will be stirred and you will be encouraged in whatever you are believing God for today. Stay tuned at the end of this message to find out more information about our ministry.

[Ed Dufresne]

Father, we're so grateful tonight for the greatness of your plan and that we.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Are part of that plan. We're so grateful to call you Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Father tonight and so grateful to be.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Called your children tonight.

[Ed Dufresne]

And we're so appreciative to know that that plan was born in you for us, and we give you thanks. We're so grateful that we belong to you, and we're so grateful that you belong to us. And everybody said amen. Turn around. Give somebody around you a great big God bless you. Then you can be seated tonight.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. I have been so blessed in these meetings and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

All that.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pastor Debbie. Debbie. Pastor Debbie, thank you for coming. Thank you for ministering. And of course, Sister Lindsay Roberts. What a blessing. And precious, precious woman. Yes.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

They had to go back home because Brother Richard leaves in the morning for overseas. And we're just so grateful that they. They came this direction for us. Amen. God said to me just a couple of weeks ago, he said, it's time for miracles. And as I said on Tuesday night, it's always been time for miracles. He's not stating something that he hasn't always been endeavoring to work, but he states it so that we will know what he's looking for us to give ourselves to so that we can become skillful in this and so that we can cooperate with him during this time of what he's wanting to emphasize for us.

[Debbie Dufresne]

So.

[Ed Dufresne]

He, I think it was Sister Linda Turner said this to the Bible school students. Help me in the wording or something to the effect God put something in or says something to you, then watches to see what you're going to do with what he said. Is that correct? Exodus 3.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Sister, I was getting ready to read.

[Ed Dufresne]

That passage even, hey, we will.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I'm glad to know.

[Ed Dufresne]

But listen to the wording that she gave. God says something, then waits to see what are we going to do about it. And so much of the Christian world is waiting for what God says and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Then what God's going to do. And God does what we do. Now, the religious world twists over a statement like that, but the truth of.

[Ed Dufresne]

The matter is God goes where faith puts him.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And when we operate in faith in a certain arena.

[Ed Dufresne]

God always manifests himself in the face of Faith. Amen. Exodus 3 that she's referring to. In verse one, it says this. Now, Moses kept the flock of Jethro.

[Debbie Dufresne]

His father in law, the priest of Midian.

[Ed Dufresne]

So notice this. He's a spiritual man, and his father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

In law, Jethro is.

[Ed Dufresne]

And it says, and Moses led the flock to the backside of the desert.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And came to the mountain of God.

[Ed Dufresne]

And in verse two, and the angel.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Midst of a bush.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And he looked, and behold, the bush.

[Ed Dufresne]

Burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. In verse three, and Moses said, I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And when the Lord saw that, he turned aside to see God called unto.

[Ed Dufresne]

Him out of the midst of the bush. Verse three is so important. Moses said, I will now turn aside. Look at the next one and see. Notice this, that Moses had to make a step away from daily life. What was daily life? He was tending to the sheep. He was there for the reason of tending to the sheep. But a movement of God caught his attention. And he said, you don't hear anything else about the sheep in this passage. Why? Because he turned aside from what was natural.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That's what we've done in these three days.

[Ed Dufresne]

We've come aside from what is natural.

[Debbie Dufresne]

To see what has God got to say to us? What is he showing?

[Ed Dufresne]

What is he saying? And it says in verse four, and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

When the Lord saw that, he turned.

[Ed Dufresne]

Aside to see God is waiting for people who are interested enough to know what he has to show. And when he said, it's time for miracles, now he's waiting for who will turn aside to that. And that's why we started on Tuesday night talking about what we did, about the flow of miracles, about the power of God and how to cooperate with the power of God. And we were talking about gaining skills with the power of God. I love something that Brother Richard Roberts said the first time he came to our. Came to the church. And he quoted his dad and said that Brother Oral Roberts said, every day miracles are coming to you or going past you every day.

[Debbie Dufresne]

So what determines whether they stop with you or go past you, whether or.

[Ed Dufresne]

Not you turn aside to see.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

If you are going to set aside. If we're going to set aside the ordinary and the unimportant so that we can see what he's wanting to do and how do we get that miracle Power to stop with us and not bypass us as blind Bartimaeus did Jesus on that road? Blind Bartimaeus was just on the side of the road and he heard that Jesus was passing that way. Notice he couldn't see it. He could just hear report.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And what did he do?

[Ed Dufresne]

He started calling. And he was so loud that he of course the people around him were aggravated at his volume.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But a blind man can't see how much volume he needs. So because he cannot see see the Jesus proximity, he wants to make sure he's heard.

[Ed Dufresne]

He didn't know if Jesus was 3ft.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Away, 20ft away, he didn't know. So he gave awe.

[Ed Dufresne]

And it so irritated those around him. And I've said this before, of course.

[Debbie Dufresne]

They told him to be quiet, but don't let people who aren't calling tell you to quit calling. If they would have been calling themselves, they wouldn't have even heard. The only reason they heard him and were irritated because they weren't calling. And when they weren't doing it, they.

[Ed Dufresne]

Didn'T like others that were doing it because they thought it unnecessary.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But the one with the need knows.

[Ed Dufresne]

Only God can do this for me.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And Jesus was not headed to. He was not en route just to go to blind Bartimaeus. Blind Bartimaeus faith arrested.

[Ed Dufresne]

Jesus stopped him.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What's that mean? God goes where faith puts him. If blind Bartimaeus would have been silent, Jesus would have kept walking by because it was blind Bartimaeus faith that put.

[Ed Dufresne]

Him there to stop on his progress.

[Debbie Dufresne]

On his journey, just for him. So what's that mean? If miracle power is always moving and flowing, what's going to cause it to stop?

[Ed Dufresne]

Stop with us, what we're calling for, what we're saying.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And it's not just a moment of calling, it's a lifestyle. Amen. Every day miracles belong to us. And sometimes people think because it's not.

[Ed Dufresne]

Spectacular, it's not a miracle. If it's supernatural, it's a miracle.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Meaning this. If $10 came to you that you didn't earn or work for, that's a miracle. No, it might not look look spectacular in quantity, but if it was something beyond your ability to produce.

[Ed Dufresne]

It'S a miracle. And we need to recognize the miracles.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That are available and really coming every single day. But because they don't look so spectacular, some people don't have regard for them. And what you don't have regard for, in its small form, God will not, he won't waste wasted on ingratitude.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. And so we See here that when Moses turned aside, then God said, the voice didn't tell the bush. The voice didn't come out of the bush and tell him to turn aside. He initiated whether God continued to speak the a him or not. Meaning this. We hear as much as we have time to hear, as much as we give place to hearing. God's not silent. He's always speaking. And then we have in Second Chronicles, chapter 16, in verse 9, where it says, for the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth. I like this next phrase. To show himself. He's wanting to show himself. Amen. The devil's always showing himself in the earth, but God is looking to show himself. And what's the next word? Strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. And so notice this, God has not.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Already, if I could say this, determined.

[Ed Dufresne]

Well, I'm going to show myself strong for this one. I'm going to show myself strong for that one. Because if he already chose who he's going to show Himself strong for, then.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why are his eyes looking? Why? Because he's not the one that determines.

[Ed Dufresne]

Where he shows Himself strong.

[Debbie Dufresne]

He's there to. He is here present by the power of the Holy Ghost to show Himself strong. Where will that happen?

[Ed Dufresne]

Where someone's believing, where someone is calling.

[Debbie Dufresne]

When he says it's time for miracles? Where those going to happen.

[Ed Dufresne]

With those who are turning aside to see those.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Who are calling, those who are making.

[Ed Dufresne]

Time to be with the One so He can show Himself strong. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

I don't want to be left out of that.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I don't want to be left out of that.

[Ed Dufresne]

I was reading some of you may have read the book My Time in Heaven by Richard Sigmund. And in that he gave an account that there were angels that would come into the services, that God allowed him to see an operation in the spirit realm, that the angels would come into.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The service and they would be carrying.

[Ed Dufresne]

Body parts for people who needed new body parts. And then he would watch and the people, the angels would go and stand by the people that needed them. Why? He's there to show Himself strong. Show Himself strong in behalf.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What is that?

[Ed Dufresne]

Why did the angels come with the body parts?

[Debbie Dufresne]

They were already prepared to, if I.

[Ed Dufresne]

Could say this, deposit into the people's bodies the parts they needed.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why? Because God's a faith God.

[Ed Dufresne]

He's always got the answer there.

[Debbie Dufresne]

He's always got the answer there before.

[Ed Dufresne]

People make the call. And he saw in this. In this experience, He Saw that the.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Angels came to the service with everything.

[Ed Dufresne]

That the people in the service needed. But then he saw that the people wouldn't respond.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And in not responding, the angels took.

[Ed Dufresne]

What they had and went back to heaven with it. Why was he there? He was ready to show himself strong. He was looking. Who in the service. Who in the service? Who in the service is going to put a demand on what I'm here to show? Amen. And like Pastor Debbie said, this plays.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Into our motive, our attitude, our interest.

[Ed Dufresne]

In a service. It matters.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It matters how we attend. I said, it matters how we attend, not just that we attend.

[Ed Dufresne]

You remember when in the passage, when it talks about Jesus was in the synagogue and it said, and he set himself over cross from the treasury to see how the people cast money in. It didn't say to see what the people cast in. He said to see how. How they cast in. It matters how we come. It matters how we come. Hungry, believing, reaching, not bored, disinterested, thinking of something else.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Because I want you to know there is nothing else higher in your life today than what's going on here. Nothing, nothing else of our day is equal to the word, to being among the believers. Nothing, nothing, nothing is equal to that. And I'm not talking. It's a close second.

[Ed Dufresne]

There's a close second. There's not even close second.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Everything else is so far beneath what we're doing here. Other things are to be done, but they're nowhere near the importance of what is being here. And so when we come, we need to come with that mind. There is nothing outside this building more important than what's going on in this building. Because if I do the right thing in the building, it's going to affect everything in my life that's outside the building. If I don't handle what is going.

[Ed Dufresne]

On here, it will rob my life of what God has for it. Amen. Then go with me, if you would, to Jude, chapter one. Of course, the only one chapter, but verse three. Because this is what the Spirit of God said to me several days before we started this conference. What he wanted, basically something emphasized. And so we want to do that Jude. In verse three. We'll read verses three and four. When Jude said, beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you, write unto you of the common salvation. A common salvation means the salvation that belongs both to the Jew and the Gentile, like it's common to both.

[Debbie Dufresne]

He said, I was going to write.

[Ed Dufresne]

To you about your salvation. But he said in doing this, there was Something more urgent that the Spirit wanted said. And this is what I'm writing to you of what that urgency of the Spirit is. And it was more needful for me.

[Debbie Dufresne]

To write unto you and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

[Debbie Dufresne]

For there are certain men crept in unawares who were before of old, ordained to this condemnation. Ungodly men turning the grace of our.

[Ed Dufresne]

God into lasciviousness and denying the only.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning this. The original faith of the gospel was being destroyed by false teachers.

[Ed Dufresne]

People were teaching falsely and it was injuring the faith. Those who were hearing. The devil hates faith, the God kind of faith.

[Debbie Dufresne]

He wants you to have the wrong version of faith. Have a faith, but just have the wrong version of it.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. And so we talked about that on Tuesday night.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What version is that? Well, one of the ver. Well, we know this. Jesus said in Mark 11:22, have the.

[Ed Dufresne]

God kind of faith.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The faith that functions and operates like God. It's in you, is the God kind of faith. Now use that faith. Don't use human faith, don't use mental faith. That's not the kind of faith that's going to be the right version. And the devil tries to draw us in the mental arena so that we'll keep trying to believe God with our.

[Ed Dufresne]

Minds where there is no faith. Amen. And so we know, of course, in.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Luke 18, verse 8, the Amplified, that.

[Ed Dufresne]

When Jesus made this statement, when the.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Son of man comes, will he find.

[Ed Dufresne]

Persistence in faith on the earth?

[Debbie Dufresne]

So what kind of faith is he looking for? The God kind of faith. It won't quit.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Then go with me, if you would.

[Ed Dufresne]

To John chapter six. And there was more that we said about that which you need to go back if you weren't able to be with us on Tuesday night. And you can. We said much along those lines. But tonight I want us to look at John chapter 6, verse 28 and 29. We'll read. The disciples were speaking unto Jesus, and they asked him a question. Then said they unto him, what shall we do? That we might work the works of God. Now notice this.

[Debbie Dufresne]

They asked him this question because they saw that the works of God, although they were the works of God, they involved man.

[Ed Dufresne]

And they were saying, what is our part? What must we do?

[Debbie Dufresne]

And so religion is this God. If God wants to do it, he'll do it.

[Ed Dufresne]

If he doesn't want to do it, he won't do it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That's so unscriptural. Because when God wants to move among man, he involves man. When he's going to work a miracle for man, he involves man. He does not bypass man to get man the miracle. He involves man. And this is where did the disciples get this understanding? They saw Jesus work. They saw him as a man working with the power of God that brought about the miracles. They didn't just say, well, you know, God's just going to do it. No, they said, what must we do? Because we saw you do, speaking to Jesus. They said, we saw you do what do we do to do what you did so that God can do what he does? Because miracles involve man and God, not just God. God.

[Ed Dufresne]

Well, let me say the next verse then, verse 29. Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God that you believe. Listen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

This is the work of God that you believe.

[Ed Dufresne]

When you believe, the work of God goes into manifestation.

[Debbie Dufresne]

This is the work of God you believe.

[Ed Dufresne]

Now notice this. They're saying, what is our part to do this? Believe this is your part.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And notice he calls it a work, not play. It's work. It is work.

[Ed Dufresne]

That when something is assaulting your soul and you say, don't care.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It is a work.

[Ed Dufresne]

When you're sitting in a service and there's a corporate anointing and it's an.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Easy thing to say, amen, I believe.

[Ed Dufresne]

It just that way.

[Debbie Dufresne]

When you hear the word preached and you hear that all things are possible with God, and you hear all the wonderful things that God, it is so easy while we're sitting in that corporate.

[Ed Dufresne]

Anointing to say, yes, that's right.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But when you're off on your own and there's all kinds of pressure and all kinds of things to be felt, it's a work to keep believing what you believed in the service. Because so many change what they believe when they feel something different than what.

[Ed Dufresne]

They want to feel. And as Pastor Debbie was referring on Wednesday morning to the passage that I preached on in the past, when Jesus said, let's go to the other side.

[Debbie Dufresne]

They got in the boat because they believed that. He didn't say, let's go part way.

[Ed Dufresne]

There'S going to come a storm and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Then we get to bail, boys. He did not eat. Do you know when Jesus started thinking.

[Ed Dufresne]

About the other side and referring to it? He did not even mention the opposition. Didn't he mention it?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Had no regard for the opposition.

[Ed Dufresne]

And then they got in the boat.

[Debbie Dufresne]

With him because they believe they're going to the other side.

[Ed Dufresne]

Jesus falls asleep, the storm comes he.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Refuses to come out of rest to deal with the storm because he's still.

[Ed Dufresne]

At rest, even though things around him.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Are not at rest. What's that mean? We are authorized to be at rest when everything around us is in turmoil.

[Ed Dufresne]

Authorized.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And he was our example of it. And that's when you know you're in faith. When you don't get up and run, as. Remember how Ed used to say, like, a siren goes off over here, and you run.

[Ed Dufresne]

You try to.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You try to deal with Sister Bucketmouth over here. Raa. And then you know, somebody else screaming over there, and you just run back and forth. Faith doesn't do that. Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

And so Jesus is asleep. Peter comes and wakes him up with an accusation.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Carest thou not?

[Ed Dufresne]

My gosh.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I'm just sleeping, brother. I'm just sleeping. That's all I'm doing. And now I get accused. I don't care. What's Peter saying? Because you're not troubled like us. You don't care. Ah. People don't like it when you don't respond like them, but you're authorized to not respond like people who don't know.

[Ed Dufresne]

He says, don't you care?

[Debbie Dufresne]

So now Jesus is getting blamed because he's not up in the rafters, right?

[Ed Dufresne]

So carest thou not?

[Debbie Dufresne]

I mean, Jesus didn't send the storm.

[Ed Dufresne]

But yet he's getting accused of not caring. And people will say, you don't care about me because.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I care about you.

[Ed Dufresne]

That's why I don't act like you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Because I can't help you acting like you. Right? That's what Jesus. He acted completely different.

[Ed Dufresne]

Now notice what Peter said to him.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Carest thou not? Listen to the next phrase. That we perish.

[Ed Dufresne]

Notice this. He used to believe they were going to the other side. Who told him he was perishing? Who told him he was perishing?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Who told him? He believed something different than what Jesus said. And now he's mad because Jesus.

[Ed Dufresne]

Didn'T change what he said. You know? So Peter used to believe they were getting to the other side.

[Debbie Dufresne]

He got wet. And then no longer believes that he's getting to the other side. Now he says, we're perishing. Okay.

[Ed Dufresne]

Drama. Okay. Drama.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Right. Faith.

[Ed Dufresne]

People have no room for drama. No room. No room.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You cannot give in to drama. Feed drama. Run to drama.

[Ed Dufresne]

It will weaken faith. Why? Because we determine the outcome.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Circumstances can come, but the outcome of.

[Ed Dufresne]

Those circumstances rests with us. My mother used to say to us kids, you can start anything. You're big enough to let me finish. Meaning if you Want to talk back? Go ahead, start that.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But I'm going to finish it. Disobey me, Go ahead, start that. But I'm going to finish it.

[Ed Dufresne]

The devil can start something, but we say the finish. We say the finish, we say the finish. Amen. So Peter said, carest thou not that we perish? What's the problem? He changed what he believed because he felt something.

[Debbie Dufresne]

This is the work of faith. Don't change what you believe simply because.

[Ed Dufresne]

You feel something, simply because you hear.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Something, simply because something is bombarding your flesh, bombarding your mind. This is the work of faith. This is the work of believing. And it's a work to hold your mind. It's a work to hold your attention on the Word. But let me tell you, when it's an easy work, when you get full, when you're full of the Word, it anchors you. It anchors you. It's when we're less than full that this becomes a struggle. It's not notice. Jesus said, this is the work of God that you believe. He didn't say, this is the hard work of God. It's not hard. It's not hard unless you're empty.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

So he said, this is the work of God that you believe.

[Ed Dufresne]

So they said, what must we do that we might work the works of God. They're talking about miracles. We want to see God do what.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Only he can do.

[Ed Dufresne]

And Jesus said, when you do the.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Work of believing, that's when God does.

[Ed Dufresne]

His work of manifesting. Okay, so what does the work of believing involve? The best. One of the. One of the best scriptures and different scriptures reveal it. One of the best scriptures that reveal the work of believing is Joshua, chapter 1, verse 8. When God spoke to Joshua when he's.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Getting ready to lead the second generation.

[Ed Dufresne]

Of Hebrews upon the death of Moses, Moses dealt with the first generation who never arrived. And so Joshua is now the leader of the second generation of Hebrews.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And God is telling them how to.

[Ed Dufresne]

Turn a failing nation into a succeeding nation. Nation that never arrived, into one that occupies.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What do you do?

[Ed Dufresne]

And in one verse, God gives him the prescription for arriving at the fullness of what's been provided. Joshua, chapter one, verse eight.

[Debbie Dufresne]

This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth.

[Ed Dufresne]

Prescription number one for arriving at the fullness of.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Of what God has provided.

[Ed Dufresne]

For experiencing the fullness.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Well, what's the fullness? Everything good. Everything good. Healing, health, peace, prosperity, victory, deliverance. Everything good. Everything good. And he said, this book of the law shall not depart out of your Mouth. How do you experience everything good? The first thing he tells us, he said, you're going to have to deal with your mouth. The work of believing begins in your mouth. When he said, this is the work of God that you believe. The work of God. The work of believing begins with your mouth. It was their mouth that disqualified them from arriving. And it's their mouth that's going to qualify them to arrive. People will say this, well, you're talking about works. You're exactly right. I am talking about works. Well, you know, Jesus paid for everything. God provided everything. We don't have a work to do. Oh, really? Jesus didn't know this because he said, this is the work. Amen. We do not have to work to earn what's been provided, but we do listen. You don't earn your salvation, but once you're saved, works is everything, baby. Works is everything. You don't just sit back and hope it's going to dump on you. It's not. We all have to do the work of believing to lay hold of what freely he provided.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. And so the first thing we have to do, this book of the law.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Shall not depart out of your mouth. Whether or not we arrive at healing.

[Ed Dufresne]

Is going to begin with our mouth.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Whether or not we arrive at prosperity, it's going to begin with our mouth. That's the first place that we have.

[Ed Dufresne]

To be examining what's going on in your mouth.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Because that's what disqualified the first generation from arriving.

[Ed Dufresne]

They complained against God, complained against Moses.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Complained against Aaron, wanted to go back into Egypt time and time again.

[Ed Dufresne]

Why they didn't change their mouth because it didn't change the way they thought. Amen. So he said, this book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth. The work of believing begins with. With our mouth. And notice this. It's a lifestyle of what we're saying.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Not moments of having right words.

[Ed Dufresne]

A lifestyle of saying right.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Meaning circumstances.

[Ed Dufresne]

Are not filling our mouths. The word is filling our mouth because.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Circumstances are going to fluctuate, but the word never changes.

[Ed Dufresne]

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth. Well, do you know that when you resist the devil, that's the word in your mouth. When you answer the devil, that's the word in your mouth.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Do you know that when you're confessing, that's the word. Don't think that. The only way the word is in.

[Ed Dufresne]

Your mouth is through confessing scriptures.

[Debbie Dufresne]

When you say devil, you take your hands off that that's the word in your mouth. That when you're calling money, you come. That's the word in your mouth. When you're saying, father, I worship you, that is the word in your mouth. Worshiping and praising is the word in your mouth. Too many times. We just limit it to the thought of confessing. The word is the word in our mouth. Amen. But it's anytime, anytime we're acting in line, speaking in line with the word that is the word in our mouth. So this book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth.

[Ed Dufresne]

Second prescription for the work of believing. But thou shall meditate therein day and night.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What's meditate? See, the word in your mouth deals.

[Ed Dufresne]

With the tongue, but meditation is going to deal with your thought life, and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It'S going to deal with what Pastor.

[Ed Dufresne]

Debbie was talking about, your attention. What is your attention on?

[Debbie Dufresne]

It doesn't matter that the word is in your mouth when your thoughts are on the wrong thing. And I will say this. If we're around the Word of Faith camp enough, we can learn proper lingo. We can learn the lingo of faith, but our mind is just off doing whatever our mind used to do. But we've learned the lingo of what to say around fellow believers. Well, I'm believing this and I'm believing that because we've learned. Well, it's good. We should learn it. But the lingo needs to be backed up by the right thoughts or it is just lingo. And this is where meditation deals with. Because meditation is going to take the word you're speaking and drive it down into your spirit. Why must the word be driven into your spirit? Because faith's in your spirit. It's not in your mind. If you're just going to talk out of your mind, there's no faith there. That's why the word has to be lodged in our spirits. It has to be driven down into our spirits. And that only happens through meditation. How come people can speak the word? They sound right. Listen, being in ministry as long as I have, I've been around, and everyone at some level who's had some kind.

[Ed Dufresne]

Of history of being in the church.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You can hear people, that they say the right words, but their life looks completely different than what they're saying. And. And if you're not careful, you're going, I'm a head scratcher. Because, I mean, they say all the right thing, then there's something missing.

[Ed Dufresne]

It's called meditation.

[Debbie Dufresne]

When somebody is saying the right thing, but nothing of their life looks like what they're saying, it's meditation.

[Ed Dufresne]

That's missing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It's not alive in them. It's only in their mouth, but it's not alive in them in the way they think, in the way they process things. Meditation helps you process everything through the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Word and not through your feelings. Amen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Meditation does for you what speaking won't do for you.

[Ed Dufresne]

Meditation is going to deal with your thought life. Now remember what James said. He said a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Don't let him think he's going to receive anything of the Lord. Don't let that man think that it's.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Double minded to say the right words. But when you're laying in bed, you're.

[Ed Dufresne]

Thinking something different to yourself.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Double minded. How do you. And listen, we've all had to deal with this. How do we deal with that temptation to think something different than we know is true about the word?

[Ed Dufresne]

Meditation is what deals with it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. Meditation. You speak the word yourself. I mean there was so many times, you know, you can look back and see meditation anchors you. It keeps you from drifting with everything that opposes you. Meditation keeps you consistent and constant. And you know someone's faith life by their consistency of life that when they see you at church, they know what version of you they're going to get. If you don't know what version of somebody you're going to get, it's a faith issue. They're not anchored in the Word.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why are they not? The Word is not their meditation.

[Ed Dufresne]

So I remember in one of the business deals after Ed went home to be with the Lord and there was one business deal especially that the devil was just hovering around to try to poke and prod at that thing. Said to me, he said, write a letter to them. And he said, I'm going to send an angel with that letter. I sent a letter and it's like that thing exploded in the negative direction. Because see, we think that when God.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Says something, automatically everything just falls in place.

[Ed Dufresne]

Baby.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That'S what we think, that's what we assume. We know how it's going to play out. But when you do what God says.

[Ed Dufresne]

It can play out differently in the.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Natural things can escalate.

[Ed Dufresne]

And they, it just, they, they went after me tooth and toenail, you know, And I'm driving down the road and I'm holding to the steering wheel with all the assault coming against the mind. And I said, it's the truth and no lie. Well, God said it's the truth and no lie. It's the truth and no lie.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I don't care what they say. They're lying about it.

[Ed Dufresne]

Because I know what God said about it. They're the ones lying.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What God said is the truth. They will change. They will change. This situation will change. This situation will change.

[Ed Dufresne]

You know, for the next six months.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I had to hold to that.

[Ed Dufresne]

What is that? I'm meditating.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I'm not just out there preaching and saying it. I'm meditating on that. In my thought life. While I'm driving down the road in my car, I am calling up what God says. And I'm saying it in the face of every feeling, in the face of every poke, in the face of every prod. I'm drawing up what God says. And I say, God says this. God says this. God says this. When Steven and Morgan were endeavoring to get in the home that they're in.

[Ed Dufresne]

Now, and it looked like it wasn't.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Going to work out, they were in the home, but it looked like that the people that were selling it wanted.

[Ed Dufresne]

The home back, back, because they hadn't closed the sale yet. And they wanted the home back. And so they were trying to make them get out, you know. And so Steve was talking about getting, you know, starting to move out. And I said, why are you starting to move out? He said, because they.

[Debbie Dufresne]

They tell me I have to get.

[Ed Dufresne]

Out by a certain amount of time.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Certain date, and I don't have the financing yet. I got to get out.

[Ed Dufresne]

I said, wait a minute. What did God say?

[Debbie Dufresne]

What did God say?

[Ed Dufresne]

He said, well, God said, that's our house. And I said, then we're done talking about packing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

All we have to know to arrive.

[Ed Dufresne]

At success is what did God say?

[Debbie Dufresne]

What did God say? This is what meditation is. It's knowing what God says and not moving off of it in your thought life, not moving off of it in what you play out in your imagination. And it is a work to hold to that. Not a hard work, but it's a joyous work because now you know what. What to do with your thought life. When everybody else would have fallen apart, you know what to do. It's a joy to know what work.

[Ed Dufresne]

You'Re supposed to be doing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You know, when we have a workday.

[Ed Dufresne]

Around here, we have a workday before a conference comes. And this church congregation is so sweet. They come because we tell them this is our house.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Before company comes, we clean our house, and everybody come and clean. Everybody come and clean. It's not right to come and sit house and dirty it and not clean it. Everybody come clean.

[Ed Dufresne]

And so we say, these Things.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And so when they come and there's an assigned date, Dede, who is our administrator, she has a complete work order. She has everything that needs to be lined out. And the people come and she. They say, find Dede. She will assign you. Well, see, then they don't. They don't walk around going, I don't know what to do. I don't. Well, and you know, cleaning the same thing four times. No, there's none of that going on. Because there is an order to the work. There's an order to the work. And it's a joy to work when you go. Oh, you go. And you clean those trees over there. Okay, Go do it. Why? Because you know exactly what's expected of you. This is the work of believing we know what's expected of us. It's not like you gotta guess. What does God want? What does God want of you today? And I hope you guessed right, because if you. Boom. The earth is going to open up and you're going down. No, it's a joyous work because he makes it clear. What is the work? This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but you meditate in it day and night. You meditate. Many are meditating in their problems day and night. He says, meditate in the word day and night. Listen, it's time for miracles. And we can't get there by meditating in our obstacles. How do we get to miracles? How about us going down the road to church and meditating on arms growing out, legs growing out? What about that meditation?

[Ed Dufresne]

This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but thou shalt meditate. You're going to have to know what God say to you. What God say to you. And you better hold to it. Hold to it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That's all meditation is. What is God saying to you? Listen, the Word is vast. The Word is so broad that you don't have to go to the Word.

[Ed Dufresne]

And go, let me find something to meditate on.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The Holy Spirit will prompt you of what? To emphasize what he prompts. That's what you're to meditate on. Don't just pick something random and decide. The Holy Spirit will prescribe for you the verse that fits what your life needs. And if he prescribes one verse, don't.

[Ed Dufresne]

You go find seven.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The devil would love to give you seven verses. He knows the Word. He would love to prompt you towards seven verses to get you away from.

[Ed Dufresne]

The one the Spirit prescribed for you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What did God prompt? Prompt in your heart? That's what to meditate on, that's the one to get in your mouth. And have you ever noticed that when.

[Ed Dufresne]

You'Re facing something that the Spirit will.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Bring one verse to you one day? And that thing is so alive, it.

[Ed Dufresne]

Stands up on the inside of you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It's like it's yours. Ah, everybody else get off my verse. That's my verse. You know, you get up the next day, day, and that thing seems almost dead to you.

[Ed Dufresne]

And the Holy Spirit now is prompting you towards something else.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Follow him because he is stocking the shelves of your spirit with everything you need. So when he says, this book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but you shall meditate in it. Let it be spirit prescribed meditations. You say, how do I know what.

[Ed Dufresne]

The spirit's prescribing for me? Well, if you keep the word in your mouth, you'll be sensitive to the Spirit. Amen. This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth. So notice this, miracles begin in our mouth. Miracles. The work of believing begins with what are we saying? Yeah, yeah, we can't arrive now remember what Ed said by the Spirit. He said in this last day revival, all five fold offices operating at full potential power. He said all nine manifestations of the Spirit operating at full potential power. We cannot operate at full potential power when we're not giving an all out effort in doing the work of believing. It's going to cough. And this is why I believe God. God said to me, it's time for miracles. What's he saying? It's time to make sure you're doing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The work of believing so that the work of God can come to pass.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. So what's the work of God believing for our part, our side, the work of God, there's his side, but our side is we believe and we begin with our mouth, then we begin, we go on to meditations.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And really those are done simultaneously. That's how you keep the word in.

[Ed Dufresne]

Your mouth, your meditations, what are you meditating on? It keeps your mouth filled. And then the third thing he prescribes so that you may observe to do, you may observe to do, according to all that's written there. And in other words, do what he says, just do what he says. You don't have to figure out the doing, just do what he says and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The Spirit will lead you in your doing. Don't just randomly decide what faith act.

[Ed Dufresne]

You'Re going to do to prove you have faith. Listen, you can act and act and act and it's not Acting that gives you faith. And so many act to try to get faith. They try throw out their medicine because.

[Debbie Dufresne]

They think they can obligate God to healing them.

[Ed Dufresne]

Or they give a certain amount of money away.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Because if I give that, then God has to.

[Ed Dufresne]

No, no, no.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It's not from a place of obligation.

[Ed Dufresne]

It's from a place of being led. And the Spirit will lead you to act in line with your measure of faith. Well, how are you going to get more faith? The first thing, put the word in your mouth. Put the word in your mouth, meditate on will make that word come alive to you. It will. If I could say this, it turns you into an owner of that word to where it's not just some random verse to you, but it's yours. I mean, you recognize your help and your answer in that.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That you may observe. To do.

[Ed Dufresne]

To do. I was telling our congregation, this is.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The illustration that God gave me regarding.

[Ed Dufresne]

This, because notice the divine order in your mouth, in your meditations. Then the Spirit will direct you in what to do. The doing doesn't come until you got the word in your mouth, because the doing will be fruitless until you're full of the word. When will the Spirit direct you? When your mouth is full and your meditations are full. Then you're ready to act. Then you're ready to act. This is why people say that faith stuff doesn't work. It doesn't work for empty people.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You have to get the word in.

[Ed Dufresne]

Your mouth, then you have to meditate on it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Then your actions hit the target. Spirit led actions hit the target. This is the work of believing. And God gives you your purpose, personal.

[Ed Dufresne]

Life to practice on.

[Debbie Dufresne]

So that when we come together, we are already in the habit of saying the right thing, thinking the right thing, and acting in line with the right thing. Amen. Then we get corporate united results. A greater degree, greater manifestations. But this is the example that God gave to me.

[Ed Dufresne]

You can those old time muskets.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And there was a process. Those guys, you know, and you see.

[Ed Dufresne]

It in old movies or whatever, they.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Didn'T just pick up that gun and go click, click, click, click, click. Because there's nothing coming out, baby, nothing coming out.

[Ed Dufresne]

Just clicking, you know.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And so what was the pattern?

[Ed Dufresne]

They had to.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The order was they had to pour.

[Ed Dufresne]

Gunpowder in, pour a bullet in, then.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Put a paper wad in there, right? That is called the word in your mouth. Loading the gun. And then after that, it's not enough to load it. They took a rod and they would pack it down why?

[Ed Dufresne]

Accuracy. It doesn't matter that it's loaded and.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You'Re going to fire it. If you're inaccurate in what it hits, it doesn't matter. You wasted your load. So they pack it down.

[Ed Dufresne]

And then the third thing is. What?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Then they fire it. You don't fire it until it's loaded and packed. The word in your mouth is loading the gun. The rod is the meditation. You're packing it down into your spirit, packing it into your thought life, packing it into your tension. You pack it down and you pack it tight. Now, when the spirit says now, see, they're over there behind that tree. Boom. Why? You only get one shot after that with that musket. It wasn't automatic rifle. It was one shot. What's that mean? You want to make sure that you're firing at the right time, at the right thing. So the work of believing is what.

[Ed Dufresne]

Fill our mouth, meditate, fill our thoughts, fill our attention, and then follow the Holy Ghost in how to act. This is the work of believing. In Jesus, they said, what must we do that we do the works of God. This is the work of God. You put the word in your mouth, you put the word in your spirit, in your attention, and then you act according to what the spirit leads you to do.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen. Isn't that how the first miracle really.

[Ed Dufresne]

Ever happened, that Jesus worked on the earth? What was it at the wedding?

[Debbie Dufresne]

I just.

[Ed Dufresne]

I love the dynamic you see between mother and son in this setting. Because Mary comes over and says, they've run out of wine. Jesus, what's that got to do with me?

[Debbie Dufresne]

You know what she answered him?

[Ed Dufresne]

Nothing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

She didn't give him any more answer. He didn't care. She didn't care.

[Ed Dufresne]

She didn't care.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I'm requesting of you something, you know. And he says, woman, it's not my time.

[Ed Dufresne]

She did not even respond to that. She turns to the servant and says, do what he tells you to do.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Whatever he saith unto you, do it. What's that mean?

[Ed Dufresne]

I'm telling you to say something to them.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That's exactly what she did. Whatever he says. Now he's obligated. Mama obligated him.

[Ed Dufresne]

Whatever he says to you, do it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That's the work of believing.

[Ed Dufresne]

Whatever he says to you, do it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Whatever he says. Whatever he says, not whatever you can figure out. Whatever he says, not whatever you can calculate. Whatever he says, do it. When he says, give, and you go, I don't have any money. He didn't tell you to calculate. He said, give right. When he Says, buy that piece of property. I don't have the money for that. I didn't tell you to have the money. I told you to buy it. See, we add to what he says and disqualify and dismiss ourselves from it. The work of believing is just doing what he says. Amen. We're going to be. We're in that flow of miracles. We're in it. We're in it. We're in it. But it's not about us sitting back and waiting. It's about us turning aside and listening and seeing what needs to be done.

[Ed Dufresne]

Us becoming skillful with the word.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen. Stand with me to your feet, Father, we thank you tonight for your word. It's a lamp to our feet. It's a light to our path.

[Ed Dufresne]

Thank you for making our part clear. And it's such a joyous part. You've not given us the hard part. You've given us the easy part. You did the hard part. And it is a joy to believe your word.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It is a joy to believe your word.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Lift up your voice to him tonight.

[Ed Dufresne]

Lift up your hands.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Let's worship him. We worship you, Father. We worship you. We worship you, Father. We worship you. We glorify you. We magnify you, Father. We say what you say. It's time for miracles. It's time. It's time. It's time for that greater flow. It's time for it. It's time for what these prophets have spoken of. It's time about this last day era. We're in it and we move with it. It's time. It's time for miracles. It's time for our skill toward miracles. It's time for our believing toward miracles. It's time for our moving, our actions that are led by the spirit.

[Ed Dufresne]

It's time for it.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

I remember I was, in fact, Pastor Angela, I believe, was with me on this trip. We had gone to Dodge City, Kansas, and I had done several meetings there. And then we did the last service there. And then we were going to leave the next morning. And. And that night when I went to bed, I had a dream. And in that dream, I saw myself walk into a big warehouse. It looked like really something, probably a little bit bigger than this room, but it had a concrete floor. There was nothing in it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And I walked in through the back.

[Ed Dufresne]

And then there was one single chair in the middle of the room. And when I walked from the back there was an older gentleman. He looked to be in his 70s and he was mostly bald, but I didn't recognize him. And I've studied, you know, people of old and pioneers of the past and stuff, and no one of that.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I didn't, I didn't recognize him at all.

[Ed Dufresne]

But I knew he was a man.

[Prayer Leader]

Who walked with God.

[Ed Dufresne]

That's all I knew. In that dream, he walked with God.

[Congregation Member]

And.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We walked together and came around.

[Ed Dufresne]

And there was a chair sitting in the middle of the room and there was a man sitting in the chair and his back was to us. We walked up from the. Toward. From the back direction of him and I didn't see it until we got there, but we got around in front of him and when we got there, I saw that the man's legs were cut off right below the knees, both legs. And then this older gentleman that was with us, he never said. With me, he never said a thing to me. But he walked over there and he reached down, he squatted down and he picked up the man's.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The part that. The limb that was hanging below the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Knee, and he pulled it out straight to be in line with the top of his leg. And then he spoke to it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And it. It wasn't even that. I didn't even really hear the words at all.

[Ed Dufresne]

I just knew he was speaking to it because God wasn't trying to emphasize the words. And then what the man did, he didn't just let his hands fall and let the legs fall, but he took those limbs and they were about this.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Much below the knee.

[Ed Dufresne]

And he took them and he placed them like that, as though there were shoes under there.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I mean, on purpose.

[Ed Dufresne]

He expected something to be there by.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The time those legs bent to meet.

[Ed Dufresne]

And when he did, I saw these.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Huh.

[Ed Dufresne]

It was the most graceful, elegant action I've ever seen a feet grow on. I mean, just in a smooth.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It wasn't a contortionist looking thing, you.

[Ed Dufresne]

Know, like these movies with, I don't know, these people that change forms and stuff and they, you know, contort.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It was none of that. It was none of that. It was absolute beauty, absolute grace, absolute flawlessness. Just beautiful. These legs grew out and then it.

[Ed Dufresne]

Came and the feet grew on. I mean, just in one smooth movement. It wasn't little by little, just one smooth movement.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And then it stopped right at the balls of the feet, right before the toes.

[Ed Dufresne]

And then it paused maybe two seconds and then it continued and the toes grew on. And when I woke up, the word of the Lord Came to me and said this. Your husband has asked. Had asked because Ed had gone home to be with the Lord at this time in the last several years of his life. He'd go to different churches and he would ask, who in here has seen an arm grow on. Who in here has seen a leg grow?

[Debbie Dufresne]

He said, now, I'm not talking.

[Ed Dufresne]

Sometimes you can see an arm extend, but it was just maybe out of alignment. Well, that's a miracle.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But he was talking about something that.

[Ed Dufresne]

Was maimed, something that was born missing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Something that was maimed and wasn't there. How many had ever seen an arm grow on. How many ever seen a leg? And nobody. In all the churches we ever went to, nobody.

[Ed Dufresne]

Of all the many congregations and the people, nobody.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And God reminded me of that. And he said, nobody has seen it.

[Ed Dufresne]

That you've been around. And he said, Jesus said, I only do what I see my father do. He said, you couldn't do it until you see it. That's why I'm showing it to you. No man could show it to you because you haven't been with anyone who could show you that operation. So I showed it to you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why?

[Ed Dufresne]

Because that's what he wants to do. Now, remember what it said about Moses? He turned aside to see God will show us things that no man can show us, that maybe we haven't seen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

But be open to let God show.

[Ed Dufresne]

Us things that we've never seen. Why? Because. Because God wants to do things we've never seen. But we have to see it before he'll do it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why?

[Ed Dufresne]

Because that's what Jesus said. Only do what I see my Father do. You don't have faith to move with something until you see it in your spirit. Remember. Remember what Sister Lindsay was talking about. You have to see the finish so that you'll know where the start line is. That's exactly what she was talking about. And this is what Jesus said. Basically, he would see it in the spirit, and then he would come out among the people and act out what he saw.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Dad Hagin used to talk about how.

[Ed Dufresne]

He'D be in prayer before service, and the service would run off in front of him like a screen, and he'd just go out and act out what he saw.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Well, I want you to know God.

[Ed Dufresne]

Has things to show all of us. Not just preachers, all of us. Take time to see. Take time to see.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Well, when are we going to take time to see?

[Ed Dufresne]

When we're doing Joshua, chapter 1, verse 8.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The word in our mouth and meditating on the Word and following the leading of the Spirit in how to act. It's not while we're doing the unimportant all the time. We can't give our listen.

[Ed Dufresne]

I know there's natural things that have to be done, but we're in such a critical time that we have to make sure our priorities are where they should be. Notice it said seek ye first.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The kingdom of God.

[Ed Dufresne]

It doesn't say seek ye only, but.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It has to be first.

[Ed Dufresne]

And nothing else can be near that seat. Why? Because God won't share seats with the first.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It's not a shared seat.

[Ed Dufresne]

Only God can occupy that if we're going to live out the plan God has for us. Amen.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Ah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

It's time to see. It's time to see in the spirit realm, the spirit of seeing and knowing, so that the miracles can come into manifestation. Because they must be seen before people will believe for God to work them. So it's time to see. It's time for. For us to step into the place of seeing and knowing.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you.

[Ed Dufresne]

Another room of seeing.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

You know, if you were invited to stay in someone's house and somebody asked you later, well, what did the dining room look? Oh, I don't know. I didn't go in and see that room. You have to go into the room to see what that room holds. When it's time for miracles. We have to go into that room to see. And you go there in the spirit first, just like Sister Lindsay said. We have to see the finish of it. Because all these things are completed in the spirit realm, in God's realm. People with missing limbs have them in God's realm. Right, right. There's wholeness in that realm. We get in the spirit and we see it the way he sees it. And we come back and, oh, it's so doable for God to do it right, for us to believe that.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Because I had the sense that God wanted me to lay hands on the.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Ministers and I didn't know what about.

[Ed Dufresne]

And he said about this room, this room of seeing. So I. I want to do that. I don't know how many may be here. So let's do this. This section, if there's any full time fivefold ministers, not people that you know are coming in and out. But I'm talking about, that's how you make your living. Anybody in this section, These, this section right here, full time.

[Debbie Dufresne]

5.

[Ed Dufresne]

Yeah, go ahead and move that in the aisles, guys.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Then let's do this middle section full time, fivefold.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you. Thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

[Ed Dufresne]

Congregation, let's just lift up our voice, lift up our hands. Worship the Lord.

[Prayer Leader]

We worship you, Father. We worship you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Now, let me say something to the ministers, and this is true for anybody. When the anointing comes on you, you have to respond. You have to receive that in. I'm just saying it won't do any good to come up and have somebody to bless you, and you just not know how to respond. Respond to that. Take that in and receive it. So I encourage you do that. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Because that's when it can do a work for us.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you. We thank you, Father, for that spirit.

[Ed Dufresne]

We thank you for that room in the spirit. To see the room. In the spirit. To see that room. That room. That room.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

What is that?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Something.

[Ed Dufresne]

Something about high stepping. Dancing. Dancing. Dancing. Dancing in. Dancing, Dancing. Rejoicing. Rejoicing your way into that place. Rejoicing your way into that flow. That's it. Rejoicing your way into that flow.

[Debbie Dufresne]

There will be many times.

[Ed Dufresne]

Many times.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You.

[Ed Dufresne]

You'll have to. Because that flow doesn't look like it's. It's wanting to flow. And you just dance your way into it. Rejoice your way into it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And it.

[Ed Dufresne]

And it will. It will break that thing that says.

[Debbie Dufresne]

No, no, not here.

[Ed Dufresne]

You say, oh, yeah, here. Here in this region in my church.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Yes, it will flow to that degree. Yes, it will.

[Ed Dufresne]

It will. It will.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Father. Father, we thank you for. We thank you for it. We thank you for it, Father. We.

[Congregation Member]

Oh, my, my.

[Ed Dufresne]

This is your era.

[Debbie Dufresne]

This is your era.

[Congregation Member]

Oh, my, my, my, my, my.

[Debbie Dufresne]

All the others, such preparation and wonderful preparation, but ah. Ah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father, for the full flow of it. We thank you, Father, for the full flow of it. We thank you, thank you for the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Full flow of it in Jesus.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it. Father, we thank you for the. We thank you for that.

[Ed Dufresne]

That place. That place. Oh, that prophet's office. Another degree, another. Another dimension. Pastor Debbie, in that prophet's office.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Ah, pro.

[Ed Dufresne]

The anointing on prophets builds buildings. There is an anointing in that prophet's mantle to get things built.

[Debbie Dufresne]

That.

[Ed Dufresne]

That building comes and that prophet's office for some facilitates that.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father for that room.

[Ed Dufresne]

That place of seeing, that room of seeing. For that. The region, that region, that region of the world, that region of the United States impacted by that room.

[Prayer Leader]

Ah, we. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

It just seems like, Father, I'm just struggling. These are words I. That seem.

[Prayer Leader]

It just seems like I just.

[Ed Dufresne]

I'm just unfulfilled in some things. I just. What I know in my spirit, it's not. It's not playing out that way. Praying more in the spirit. Pray more in the spirit. Pray more in the spirit and then it'll play out the way it should.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

And the way you have it in your heart not to say you don't pray in the spirit. I'm just saying increase that. That's where. That's where the flow of what's in your heart will come into manifestation.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

We thank you for that mantle. That mantle. That mantle. It's time for that mantle.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father. Oh, I thank you. Yes, I realize that.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Yeah.

[Prayer Leader]

I thank you for it, Father. I thank you for it, Father. I thank.

[Ed Dufresne]

Creative miracles. Creative miracles. A mantle for creative miracles. Ha ha. God will create. God will create.

[Prayer Leader]

Ah, we thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father, for it. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Step in it. Step in it. Step in it. Step into that office. Step into that place and I'll keep occupy. It fits you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You belong there.

[Ed Dufresne]

And the blessing of God is in that place.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

I don't. I don't. When God says something to me, I want to make sure I don't try to put my interpretation on it. So I won't. But reassigning. There's coming reassignment. But until that time, learn it all that this season holds. Learn it all. Haha Mashtik.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father. We thank you. Well, well, we thank you. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

We thank you, Father for more that experience in the spirit. Giving that experience in the things of the spirit.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you. We thank you Father, for that, we thank you for that.

[Ed Dufresne]

Not as it has been. No.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Don't just keep doing things like they have been done, but be open to.

[Ed Dufresne]

What the spirit says, how he directs, the direction he gives. Don't just say, well, this way.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We've always done it. No, no, no, no. Lay everything out on the table. Lay everything out.

[Ed Dufresne]

Out.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And say, father, if you redirect it this way, we'll go this way. If you want it defined this way.

[Ed Dufresne]

We'Ll do it that way.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Don't be stuck. And that it's got to be this way.

[Ed Dufresne]

In your own thinking, don't be stuck. Don't assume. Don't assume it's got to be this way. But let the spirit define the way it's done. We let the spirit define it. Let the spirit. Let the spirit define that he's the author of it. He's.

[Debbie Dufresne]

God is the author of that.

[Ed Dufresne]

Let him author it fully. Don't. Don't you get a glimpse and then you author part of it. Let him author that fully.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pastor Molina. Pranks. There's just going to have to be a lot of things prayed out in the spirit. A lot of things prayed out in the spirit. Pray them out in the spirit.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father. Where is your.

[Ed Dufresne]

Is your family up here? Oh, they're over there.

[Prayer Leader]

Good, good, good. They're over here. Yeah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Redirecting you in the. In spiritual things, huh? Been flowing one way.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Going one way.

[Ed Dufresne]

Ah, there's a. There's a turn coming. There's a turn coming. There's a turn coming. And the devil's been. If I could say this, trying to cloak that turn so that you miss it. But you won't miss it. You won't miss it. Take that turn. It'll lead you into a greater place in the flow of the spirit. Fully equipped.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Fully equipped. You are fully equipped for what he.

[Ed Dufresne]

Has, where he's directing. And so in that place, when it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Looks like things aren't working, say, oh.

[Ed Dufresne]

No, I have full equipment for this place.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I have full equipment, and it flows.

[Prayer Leader]

I thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Full, Full. Fully equipped. When all the equipment is there, everything is just so much easier. When all the tools that a carpenter needs are available to him, then any job, it just. It just flows easily because he's not missing equipment that he needs. You're not missing the equipment needed for that place. You're going, oh, yeah, it's. It can increase, and, yes, it can grow. But I'm saying all the tools are in place. Now just become. Just become more and more skillful with each one of them.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

Everything in me, Father, for her.

[Ed Dufresne]

Oh, Father, thank you for that precious flow, so precious in your sight, that flows in through her. The fullness. The fullness of that flow that you have for her, so precious in your sight.

[Prayer Leader]

Ah, thank you, Father. Ah, thank you, Father, for the skill. The skill.

[Ed Dufresne]

The clarity.

[Prayer Leader]

Defining it for her. Defining it for her. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you for.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pray it out, sister. Pray it out. Pray it out.

[Prayer Leader]

I thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Anointed.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Anointed.

[Ed Dufresne]

Equipped to. Mm. To keep pace with the movement of the plan.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank youk, Father, for making.

[Ed Dufresne]

Making them so skillful, so skillful in their roles, helping them to be so skillful. It is God. The two of you make it a practice to say. I believe it's Philippians 2:13. It is God who is working in me both to will and to do of his good pleasure. His good pleasure is the next phase of ministry. And he's going to work in you, not only to will, but to be able to do it. Say it every day. It's you, Father, who's working in me both to will my insides and to do. To carry it out. We can carry it out. We're carrying it out based on your doing. Amen. Amen. You're equipped for it.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you. Ah, we thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

This is what God said to me the other night. Healing, anointing. Healing, anointing. Healing, anointing. Now become more and more skillful with it. Study it. Study more after those who were used in it. Because it's conditional. It's conditional. It will flow to the degree of our skill.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. So thankful, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

We don't have to figure any of it out. We just have to pray it out. Walk it out. Pray it out and walk it out.

[Prayer Leader]

Ah, we thank you, Father. We thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pastor. God said to me, when Ed went home to be with the Lord, I looked and I. I asked Him, I said, where. Where. Where's my supply? Where do you want me to hook up? And he said this to me. He said, you're going to have to hook up with Brother Copeland. Then this is the word I want you to hear. Because he walks in graces that you need to fulfill. And there's Some graces God has for you that can't be just gotten anywhere. You have to be where God tells you to be to get them. That's the important thing. Be where God tells you to be to get them. So I. I don't. I don't know quite how that means. Pastor laketic, who is your pastor's, your man of God, precious man of God has so much that comes, but there's some other. There's some other places. I'm not saying leave the company. I don't mean that. I'm saying there's others within that. Within the company that have a grace for you and your life needs it. Make sure you're where you need to be to get those graces.

[Prayer Leader]

Ha ha ha. We thank you, father. We thank you. We thank you, father. We thank you for the refreshing, for.

[Ed Dufresne]

The length and the endurance of the race and what a joyous race it is. Ha ha ha.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, father. We thank you, father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Regina and Rochelle. The spirit of God said this to me. He said a double portion anointing on the two of you because the previous generations that were to do this job, what was on them is on you. And what's on you is on you. Double portion. Double portion.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Bring the hallelujah.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, father.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You've got.

[Ed Dufresne]

You've got the anointing of two generations.

[Congregation Member]

Yeah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, father, thank you for.

[Ed Dufresne]

The fullness of your plan. The fullness of your plan.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The.

[Ed Dufresne]

Of your plan, the fullness of your plan.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Thank you, father for the divine assist, the divine abilities that flow.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, father. Ah. We thank you, father. We thank you, father. We thank you. We thank you for it, father. We thank you for it, father. We thank you for it, father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Ah.

[Ed Dufresne]

What is that time and ground that was lost? God makes it up. God makes it up. Previous, previously, before, before even you were in charge, there was ground to be taken and that wasn't. But now God will make that up. God will make that up.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, father.

[Ed Dufresne]

We.

[Prayer Leader]

My sticky.

[Ed Dufresne]

We thank you for those divine experiences, father. Father, you know, yes, skill is only one in the experiences.

[Prayer Leader]

So we thank you for.

[Ed Dufresne]

For granting those experiences she needs for the skill. Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you, father for the greatness of your plan. We thank you for it, father. We thank you for this precious lady.

[Ed Dufresne]

For the fullness of your plan. Reaching people no one else could but they're assigned to be blessed by her her life.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you Father, we thank you, Father, we thank you, Father, we thank you for the fullness of your plan for her. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father, for the fullness of the plan.

[Ed Dufresne]

Just pray it out. Just pray it out.

[Prayer Leader]

Sister Barbara. Just pray it out.

[Ed Dufresne]

You don't have to figure anything out.

[Prayer Leader]

Just pray it out.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Stand with me to your feet.

[Prayer Leader]

Stand with me to your feet.

[Ed Dufresne]

Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

Father, we thank you for what we receive.

[Ed Dufresne]

I need the guys. Move that. That's not the right location to put that. Just take it off over somewhere so.

[Prayer Leader]

It'S out of the way. Take it off over there so it's.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Out of the way.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Prayer Leader]

We praise you, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Just lift up your hands.

[Prayer Leader]

Lift up your voices. We worship you, Father. We worship you. Father, we worship you.

[Ed Dufresne]

It's not a light thing. For what we receive. It's not a light thing. Amen. God has something for every single one of you tonight. Of course, in all these services, we receive through the spoken word.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

But there's more. I said there's more. Catch hands with the person next to you. Keep the aisles open. And I'm just going to grab this. Keep the aisles open and the anointing is going to come on you. But you have to respond to it. You can't just stand there and defy it. Receive it in. Turn off your mind. Put your mind in neutral. Amen. Put your mind in neutral so that you receive what you.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Your heart.

[Ed Dufresne]

Yeah. Let me do this. Brother Daniel, give me your hands.

[Prayer Leader]

Father, I thank you.

[Ed Dufresne]

I thank you for that which you have for him. That other place in the spirit. Another place in the spirit.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for that, Father. We thank you.

[Ed Dufresne]

Bringing him in. Bringing him in.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you for it, Father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Those divine experiences. Ah, Brother Daniel, you're going to have some experiences that are going to reveal the plan, reveal the fullness of it, so that anointing is going to come on you in a tangible way. You say, for what? Whatever you need it for. Release your faith for whatever you need it to work in your life. It's not just so we can say we felt something. It's here to accomplish something. Thank God for what we feel. But it's not just about a feeling. It's here to do a work, and it's in manifestation in this service to do a work. Amen. Pastor Ruby, you come love Pastor Angela. In fact, Pastor Ruby, you start over here. Pastor Angela, you just go down and bless him, right? Just grab the hand on person on the end. Go down this Way down that way.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Satan. Sam. There. Sam.

[Prayer Leader]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pastor Debbie, you've got something. Get that microphone. Is that microphone there? Just whatever you have come up and give it.

[Pastor Nancy]

I want to pray for anyone that has digestive issues. In camp meeting, Pastor Nancy laid hands on me and she said there was a 30% increase in the healing anointing. And so she said if the bolder that I would be, the word of the Lord to me was through her, the bolder that I would be, the more the increase would be. And so if that's you, very quickly come up.

[Prayer Leader]

Praise the Lord. Thank you Father. Thank you, father. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Pastor angel, come up here.

[Ed Dufresne]

God wants you to see. Say something. I don't know, it's a prophecy, something he has, an utterance for you to give, something to say.

[Guest Speaker]

So tonight marks a turning point. Tonight marks a time that you'll be able to go back to and say that was the day. That was the hour when things changed. When new things came to life in me.

[Prayer Leader]

When new things.

[Guest Speaker]

Became real to me. Today's the day. This is the hour. Oh, a marked time. A marked time. Something to not forget, something to not dismiss, something to not take for granted. Something to not ignore. There will be times when you will think that was just me. But no, says the spirit of God, that's not just you. That's the real you on the inside. Agreeing with what I have put in you. Agreeing with what I have already declared. Agreeing with what I have already mandated in your life. So know tonight is a marked time and a marked hour. Be sure, be certain and do not forget.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Prayer Leader]

Praise the Lord. We thank you father.

[Ed Dufresne]

Just lift up your hands and thank him.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you Father. We thank you Father. We thank you father. We thank you father. We thank you father. We thank you Father. We thank you Father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Thank you.

[Prayer Leader]

Thank you father. We thank you Father. We thank you Father. Hallelujah. We thank you Father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Sa.

[Pastor Nancy]

I heard this in my spirit. The time hesitating and second guessing because of the thoughts of the enemy is over. It's time to move boldly in the plan of God and stop allowing the hinder to hinder you know the plan and move boldly forward in it. Because this is the time for bold movement with the plan of God.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Hallelujah. Relle's dad, the more you walk, the more you can. I mean just on purpose, just I'm doing It. I don't care what my. I'm doing it. My body must obey the doing of my spirit. My spirit says, do it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

My spirit.

[Ed Dufresne]

Spirit says, do it. I'm just saying take steps to do that. I know that you do. Do more. Do more.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

So you're authorized to say, I rise and walk. Yeah, because that's what I heard. That's what I heard in my spirit when I looked over there before she said that, I heard this. Rise and walk. That's what I heard. Rise and walk. You're authorized to do it. You don't wait for the devil to give you permission. You just rise and you do it. You rise and you do it. You rise and you do it. You rise and you do it. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Praise the Lord.

[Ed Dufresne]

Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. I believe in the power of God. It's working. It's working in me.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I'm working with it. I'm working with it.

[Ed Dufresne]

I'm responding to it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Just.

[Ed Dufresne]

Yeah. Power meets movement. God told us. God told my husband, you've heard the story, when he walked into the 7:11 one morning and there was a housing magazine right in the entry, and on the front of it was a. On the COVID was a house. And God said, that's your house.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Can I tell you what we had?

[Ed Dufresne]

We had debt.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We didn't have a house.

[Ed Dufresne]

We were in debt up to our eyeballs. Our credit cards were maxed out. And I guarantee you I didn't have over $100 in the bank account. And God said, that's your house. And we didn't sit and wait for it to come. Ed called the real estate guy that was in our church and says, I want to see that house. When do you want to see it? Today. Today? Today. We went and saw it. Ned said, yeah. I walked in, it said, yeah, I'll take it. He said, find the owner. It was owned by a woman outright. She lived in the LA area. It was an investment home for her. She was quite well off. They found out that her two sons ran her business for her. So they contacted the two sons. The two sons came and met with Ed, and Ed said, this is my house. He said, I want to buy it. They said, okay. And Ed said, I don't have any money. And Ed said, what can you do to get me in that house?

[Debbie Dufresne]

What can you do?

[Ed Dufresne]

To get me in that house. They said, well, we can't do anything.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Because it's owned by our mother.

[Ed Dufresne]

We can't offer you something. And so they said, let us go talk to our mom. And so they went back to LA and talked to their mom and said, mom, there's a preacher in Murrieta who wants that home. It had been built two years prior to no one had ever lived in it. It sat empty after it was built. And she said, what's the preacher's name? And he said. They said, well, his name is Ed Dufresne. She said, fifteen years ago, I went to his church in Torrance, California.

[Debbie Dufresne]

God healed me.

[Ed Dufresne]

Do whatever you got to do to get that man in that house.

[Debbie Dufresne]

What am I trying to say?

[Ed Dufresne]

Power meets movement.

[Debbie Dufresne]

If we would have sat and wore.

[Ed Dufresne]

Waited for money to show up.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We lived in that house 11 years.

[Ed Dufresne]

Sold it, made a million dollars on it. You understand? We made a million dollars when we had 100.

[Debbie Dufresne]

It's not what you can calculate, what you can figure out. Power meets movement. What if we hadn't called the real.

[Ed Dufresne]

Estate guy waiting for the money to show up? What if we hadn't said, we want to talk to the owner? Because naturally the mind says, well, I.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Don'T have anything to offer the owner. But you don't know what God's doing on the backside. God worked 15 years prior with this house, no doubt in mind. Amen. You don't know what God's working on the backside.

[Ed Dufresne]

Just because you can't see it on.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The front side doesn't mean the supply.

[Ed Dufresne]

Isn'T complete on the backside. And I say that for you. Power meets movement. Power meets movement. We don't wait for everything to be in place before we move.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We don't wait for anything to be.

[Ed Dufresne]

In place before we move. Power meets movement.

[Debbie Dufresne]

The more we move, the more power flows. Financially, physically, in everything that he says.

[Ed Dufresne]

The more we move on what he says, the more the power flows to fulfill what he says. What God says to us is never a money issue. Never a money issue. It's always, always a faith issue. It's always an acting issue. And we don't act till we get full. Many times people try to act until they're full. How do you get full?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Put the word in your mouth and meditate. Get full of what God says and God will say something to you well before it's meant to be acted out. Why does he say things years in advance?

[Ed Dufresne]

Because he's giving you the opportunity to.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Fill up with the word. And meditate so that when it's time, when you get full, then the spirit will say, act now. Move now. See, you say we did this. Why? Because the day he saw that we moved that day. Why we were full. But just because God says something he's giving you, that's your emphasis. Get full of what he just said.

[Ed Dufresne]

Said, amen. God might have put a business in your heart.

[Debbie Dufresne]

God might have put a new home or something in your heart. Get full of that. Get full of that. Meditate on it. Talk about it.

[Ed Dufresne]

Put pictures of it for.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Do whatever you have to do. Talk about it at the dinner table. Talk about it in the card. Say when that house, that's ours, that house that's. That house that we're. We're getting ready to move into. Talk like, talk as though you are the present owner.

[Ed Dufresne]

Because in the spirit realm, there's sold signs on stuff.

[Debbie Dufresne]

In the spirit realm, when God says it's yours, there's a soul sign on it. In the spirit realm.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. There's one minister, and Pastor Ruby was.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Telling me about it, and I still don't know whether it was a ministry building or his personal home, But God told him there was a certain property.

[Ed Dufresne]

That was his building was on it, and seven different people bought it and couldn't do a thing with it.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And he sat back and watched seven different people buy it and try to.

[Ed Dufresne]

Do something with it and couldn't.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why?

[Ed Dufresne]

Because it's already sold.

[Debbie Dufresne]

In the spirit realm, there was a different. Just because you bought it in the natural doesn't mean the Spirit assigned that to you. Doesn't matter who's living in your house.

[Ed Dufresne]

Doesn't matter who's got your building.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You get full of what God said and it will come. Amen. But what does it come to?

[Ed Dufresne]

Those who have done the work of believing.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

So that goes for you physically too. Amen.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen. Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

Amen. Amen. Because I just.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I just have this in my heart for you.

[Ed Dufresne]

Over time, just keep filling up. And then you say, I rise and I will. Every day you say, I rise and I walk. I rise and I walk. I rise and I walk.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Praise the Lord. Stand with me to your feet tonight. Let's thank him for what we've received.

[Debbie Dufresne]

I said, let's thank him for what we've received tonight.

[Ed Dufresne]

Lift up your voice. Jesus.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We worship you. We glorify you. We thank you for the greatness of your plan. That you are working in us as a body. You are Working in us individually, yes. But you are working in us as a body, both to will and to.

[Ed Dufresne]

Do of your good pleasure. Of your pleasure for this era.

[Debbie Dufresne]

You're working in us. And we respond to that. Working. We cooperate with that.

[Ed Dufresne]

Working.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

You're working in us both to will and to do of your good pleasure.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

How many of you say you've received in these services? Something.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Yeah.

[Ed Dufresne]

He's so faithful. He's so faithful. Amen. I'm changed. What about you?

[Debbie Dufresne]

Changed.

[Ed Dufresne]

Every service there should be some measure of change. Something changed.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Why? Because we're changed from glory to glory. That's how we get into greater measures of glory as we change into it. Amen. Hallelujah. I'm changed. I'm changed. I'm changed. I'm changed. And I love what. What the spirit of God said through Pastor Angela.

[Ed Dufresne]

Don't just mark this, Mark this, mark this. There are certain natural events that happen in the earth. You know, we can. When a certain thing happened in political or the national scene or something, and we can always, oh, I remember where I was when that happened. That's what he means by marking it. Amen. That we can look back and say that night, those services.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Amen.

[Ed Dufresne]

Father.

[Debbie Dufresne]

We thank you.

[Prayer Leader]

We thank you. We thank you.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Well, we want to thank all the.

[Ed Dufresne]

Pastors, the ministers that you came, different congregation members who came from your churches and joined you. Thank you so much. Our congregation, my staff.

[Debbie Dufresne]

Thank you. You're the best. Our minister, ministry of helps. Thank you so much.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And how about we do this again in January? Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Ed Dufresne]

Well, you can turn before you're dismissed.

[Debbie Dufresne]

And say to somebody, I'm changed and you can be dismissed. God bless you.

[Grant Dufresne]

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